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And now I've come here. Who would have thought an honor division would be a bad example with the Bundesliga. So I can't see it that bad. It was also very cold. Hamburg was still a bit closer to the Polish circle. And to the water. And to the water, yes. I was there for field research. I wrote a story for the upcoming Heartgras. I'm going to read it, when you're going to send it. Yes, when you want to do it today. I'm done. But I've been with the chairman of Telstar. Yes, a friendship visit. Yes, he has to take the best things out of it. His position, of course. Of course that's the opposite. He was a chairman for a long time until the wind stopped. A professional organization with Telstar. Yes, he became a professional. And did he read it himself, on disturbing additions or the Perchev-Leodris? No, no. I don't think the Perchev doesn't reach that far. I think he's really interested in that. But no. I thought, the two things I said in the podcast. That he has his own vision on the referee. He didn't like that. What he said there. That was part of it. You can say that in historical formulations. Black and white, that's different. Black and white. Van Bast also got it wrong. So he felt somewhere, I can't do it better. And how does he say that? That has to be out, or does he say, what do you think? Would it be better to say that? Yes, it's an advocate. Yes, it's a bond in this. Except for the referee. Well, he doesn't want to lose as an advocate. And you're also caught. Yes, it all comes down to your story. But you're caught by the club. Yes, that's always been the case. It was always promised that you would be caught by the club. Yes, even though it's international, not entirely on the map. We noticed that. No matter what we did. He was better used to it. But no one raised it. We also had shirts with us, but it didn't reach the streets. Those shirts from Telstra are also brown. Brown and rainbow shirts, there are huge waves there. But that doesn't work either. It wasn't anyone who knew about it. Did he have any messages from the media? Well, he thought it was an air-tribune. But when we got there, it was... It was like "Block, H3" or something. It was all a bit... Were there clubs of women who were behind the goals? Well, it was a very grey bandicoot. Or the man or woman, I don't think it was meant to be. They all had capitions, or it was so cold. Did those men also complain about BHs? No, what I wrote in my book was that it turned out to be fiction. But there was a red flag. It was special. You can see it on those communist paintings. A flag where there was a lot of work going on in the fight. And behind it you can see a tractor, grain tracks. That's true. They also had those confetti that were destroyed at Feyenoord. They had them in rainbow colours. That was again in the rainbow colour. But you brought the shirt home. Yes, so that's their own rainbow... First their own rainbow. So there's no partner band between Telstra. No, that's going to happen. We are now looking for another group. Special relationship. Can the club sign up? We have to look further. You have to go to Belgium. Belgium, but we want it to get better. Otherwise you won't shoot anything. That we don't know who that club is. I was a couple of weeks ago at Antwerp. But I don't think that's... They miss one tribe. They miss one side of the tribe. You have one whole new tribe. Then you have the main tribe, then you have an old tribe. And then you have a kind of sand plain. Yes, that's what Ivo Victoria said. Because they are talking about it. They are sitting in front of the washroom. So you can see someone walking along the field with a building helmet. During the competition. Yes, during the competition. We have a goal to have ruins like that. We have solved it. So that's not a step up for you? No, you have to keep building. You have to help me. Yes, and the youth guidance of Saint Paul. We can look at Mr. Veen there. On the road in a kind of meat restaurant. What kind of meat was there? A steak behind it. Was it vegan meat? No, it's called meat. Meat. And it came with a lot of sauce on big plates. So you don't taste what animal it was. No, but on all animals there was probably the same sauce. But you're becoming a bit vegetarian afterwards. How do you interpret that? Well, I think this is going to be a fun story. What kind of competition was you, Suus? Goethe Eagles Excelsior last night. It was too late. I don't even know the answer. It was 2-0 for Goethe. Too late. It wasn't really an innovative competition. But they had the innovation in that. That's why. I thought it was the best competition. Unbelievable. Fantastic, right? They won from... Aston Villa. From City. But Goethe was a bridge too far away. A nice bridge. But that's the difference. From an Europa League where you create a kind of atmosphere in the Adelaise. Fantastic. Where you win that. And just against Panasie Nijkels actually won the underlying team. But on a kind of survival and fighting lust. Working with the audience. Amazing. So everyone who won that competition. Excelsior. Everyone was just strolling there. They tried a kind of conversation. Of course you have to pay attention. That we don't go too far down in the Eredivisie. I said okay, but... You're already in the middle. That's Goethe Eagles now, right? You have a good selection. And I think they have a chance to go on. To win two of the more difficult competitions. They only have six points. They do it easier and then it gets nice. And you wrote a piece for the upcoming hard grass. About Woltermade? Yes, Nick Woltermade. Two meter long German cult-spits with the snort. Well, cult-spits, it costs 70 million. That's true. A year ago, his market value was 4 million. And a year later, he had to pay 100 million. But it's a very atypical tip. If you look at him, he's two meters long. You only expect high balls. And it's a kind of storm. But he's very technical. He's called "Woltermessie". I saw that competition against Arsenal. Yes, you got an elbow from Gabriel. And instead of going down, he ran behind him with a clenched finger. That's a kind of police agent. We don't do that. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. So that was all for him. And he didn't give him a hand. Gabriel wanted to offer him a hand for forgiveness. He didn't accept it. He didn't accept it. And this is also the first tip of Germany now. Yes, with his teeth missing. He slipped to the side. He could play football really well. And he looks like... If you look at his Instagram, he always has this kind of... ...mutch and a little glasses. He's a kind of hipster. And he really likes fashion and art. And earring. He's really funny. And you said he looks like Bram Crickard. Yes. And then I thought, yes, that's right. 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That's Shopify.nl... ...the platform that young entrepreneurs have to trust. Well, yes, okay, Fynote PSV. You're quiet. Yes, you may start. I say Saibari, what do you say? Amazing, right? Yes. I don't think many people can talk about Fynote PSV... ...by not starting with Saibari. No, but three techniques make the goals, right? Yes, unbelievable. He found himself the second... The first one was the most beautiful. The one with the outside. Yes, but also the action before that dribble... ...in the 16th, where you're really on speed... ...he defended that tick-tock bar... ...and then with the outside foot-high in the goal. I do understand that you think that's a nice goal to make... ...because of course there's really everything in it... ...but the second one was also a sort of... So hard, Robbe, behind against France. He immediately thought about it. Yes, and they saw... ...you saw the reaction shot of Persi. Yes, he was really like... But was that a surprise for Saibari? I hope so, that's what I would like to see. Yes, that would have been really nice. But it can also be that he's the only one... Well, the equalizer, right? Yes, that, yes. Yes, but sometimes you see a coach or even a player... ...of the opponent sitting on the bench... So, yes, yes, yes. Well, in the past, I think he also had... ...the very first... I think he could enjoy it a bit... ...but it will also just be a draw... ...because it wasn't even half a minute in between, I think. But I think that goal of Valente is also great. Yes. Really, that... ...and I had thought about it two days ago... ...that a piece was written about four men and Valente. And, yes, four men couldn't keep him. Four men who had exactly what he always... ...or not always, what he sometimes has... ...that he... ...you see that he actually keeps moving back and forth... ...at the midfield... ...that he ran past him. That was also the case now. In a sense, if he's all the way there, that it doesn't work anymore? Yes, that he's just... ...he's too slow to put in a sufficient sprint... ...or to make a sliding... Yes. But I think Bosz is smart that he's now... ...because the slide is behind him... ...it's also less annoying... ...because when he was standing in the midfield... ...all of them stood up... ...and then four men went too far forward... ...and if you pass the slide, you could keep going... ...and that's no longer the case, I think. And the fact that the slide is now finally in top form again... ...just like two years ago... ...that also helps, right? Yes. It's also easy how that ball... That one tackle on the edge of the 16. Yes, and then I think it's very close... ...that you show this in a position that's not yours, right? Yes. Because he's now in top form... ...as a central defender. Yes. It's really something different. Yes, certainly. But you also have to get a bit later in life... ...than suddenly comes to an end. Yes, it is... And you also have to get used to it. Yes, it's the one... Who's that little boy who's playing again? Yes, little boy has played that too. Central back in one of the other coaches at Ajax... ...that we don't even know yet, but he has that. He's one of those passers-by from the last time. But suddenly... Yes, then they put themselves... ...not only at the back... We want a goalkeeper here, so it's a trick... ...that you often use. No, but it could be a goalkeeper, because the goalkeeper... ...he loves it. He also has a midfielder at Lyon... ...that he bought from Lille. He also put central back in. And he used to play at Barcelona Mascarano. He was also a real midfielder, that Argentine. Yes, certainly. But that was hard. I mean, it wasn't really... ...a style-added player like the boy and Schouten. But it all of a sudden, with Flamingo right back... ...Schouten in the middle, and then... ...Maurice Jr. in the front, which I also really liked playing. Also at the first corner, a very good shot. De Ston, right back? Yes, against Napoli, I mean. And now De Stonard. But with Mauro in the front, on the middle field... ...which I also really liked. He had his action at the first goal, right? Yes, he was completely open-minded, he immediately lost his man... ...and then he managed to survive. And actually it's better with Till than with Pepi, I think, right? Because Till, of course, also contributes a lot. I also think he's very good. He's also very nice to Saibari. All those walking actions he makes around Saibari... ...that that's very complementary to each other... ...it seems nice to play with Till, because he... Because otherwise Saibari has to... ...however he did it now, because... ...he also found out a lot about that zone. So he did Saibari, right? De Ston. Left back. He took that position. Oh yes, I think so. But he took a lot of positions. I also thought that was nice to see at PSV's. He also defended with his alls, I have to say. So it was always quick that ball over. Yes, I also think Saibari is an open-minded person. Yesterday you had Linsson. You had the young man who... Seruki? Seruki, the Algerian. And you had Salah Edin. Three players that Ajax would have let go, right? And it's a bit like Manchester United's story. It's a bit that they only do it bad with Ajax. Well, hey, I've seen Manchester United. Seruki is also not lucky with Feyenoord, right? No, certainly. But yesterday in the second half, he was really the best man. He can also play very well. But I think that's also part of who he has around him. And what his role is. And that's Feyenoord. And which coach gives him self-confidence? I think so. Did he not get it out of the box? No, but I think he also had to do things with Feyenoord. Where he wasn't so good at it. He has quite a specific quality. Yes. Yesterday he also got a lot of space. He got it from McConnel. And Kluck, who now called each other. Oh, that McConnel, that McConnel. He understands nothing about football in the middle of the field. He's so bad, isn't he? I thought so too. But who, look. Okay, he was assistant at Liverpool. And he then says, oh, Connel. But then there is no one at Ajax. He says, we will scout for a while. Oh, Johnny says, oh, Connel, do you know what? We do it. Yes. Yes, I think it was just that we had to meet someone. And he knows him well and he thinks, okay. That the ESPN, the ESPN piece. But that's not true. That's not true. No, but there were few of them. That he wasn't scouted, or at least not scouted. No, but then you're not as mature as Kluck. No. If you're going to buy a new game, you haven't scouted him. He was hired. He was hired. Yes, he was hired. Yes. But also as a replacement for Henderson. Yes, that is of course total nonsense. If you have a experienced coach in the 6, replaced by a young man with amper experience at the highest level who still has to get used to a new country. Of course that's completely nonsense. But Henk, what did you think of that? You said there wasn't much of it. The ESPN article. What did you think of it? Well. Or was he the one who said there wasn't much of it? Yes. And Blind, I have spoken to him. I do sound convincing. That he said that he wanted to become a technical director. For years I haven't been working 24/7 in football anymore. And I would want to do that now. Absolutely not. And he said it like that. I thought, yes, you're right. You just don't want that anymore. And also the fact that the RPC had argued against Heitinga. I also think that's convincing. That wasn't part of the story either. So there were certain things where Heitinga probably was right about. Has won. It's also not very nice when the coach is out of the story that there is then unbearability as Heitinga said. It's also not very nice when someone from the Commissar says, but we didn't want him at all. No, of course not. No, it's just... You're still sitting there. Yes, of course it's going away. He also said something about that. Yes, the timing of the reaction of Blind. I do find that something like that. Blind had the need to immediately react to that piece. Yes, but then you see what strengths are there. Because imagine that Blind indeed has the same. And that it doesn't have to be discussed by the RPC. Then I assume that, to take the professionalism of ESPN seriously, there are a number of sources that have told them that that is the case. So what kind of idiot groups are there to mess with each other? I don't think ESPN has heard one of the 22 sources that says that. I think there are more. Yes, I think so too. Then I really think, holy shit, what kind of nonsense is that? I think 22 people have spoken, you know. And then if you have really more sources at each statement, then I really believe in it. Then, wow. You have two fighting factions. Fluggels. Namely the RPC and the steering wheel. And that is of course also from the past. Also in the Cruyff Revolution, there was the same situation, a fact. But that's weird, because in the RPC there was also Van Gaal and... No. But as an advisor of the RPC. Yes, that's always the thing, that you then... And then Blind, namely the football knowledge. So then you have Blind Van Gaal. So they are known in Ajax. But the steering wheel. Those are the people of Cruz. And they are for a large part of the guys who play Ajax football. Traditionally, they have a finger in the pub in the association. Yes, they are of course not going to lose Cruz and Heiting now. So they know what their information is spread. Yes. Blind always had a conversation with A.D. or Telgave about the press of Rayo Vallejcano. He would then be called, he was in that article and that was actually known. He then said, well, I have never heard that name. I don't know that man at all. But I thought about that. But this was already before, I think my V.I. has written this. Various bronze have already written this. That is then also, then I thought. Because we wanted a beaker, right? Yes. But then I thought... You have to have heard of that. Yes, then I thought, I can't imagine that name has not fallen down. Yes, but of course there has been little contact. Yes. So because Heiting, by the way, is also yesterday after that match. Yes, but I have Danny Blind in the time that I have been here a few times. Yes. I have never talked to him. Yes. He said something about Danny Blind was not often. Yes. Something like that was the stretching. Yes. It was a step back. Yes. It was also not so smart, I think, that Heiting goes before that match. That he then comes back. That he then says, "No, but I don't want to talk about it." He starts that interview with what I just wanted to say. Yes. He starts with that article. Yes. Yes. And then the publisher says, "Well, what is wrong with that?" That and that and that. No, then he just says, "I don't want to talk about the article. I want to talk about the game." What are you doing? Yes. It's crazy. Yes. Yes. I understand. I mean, we often have the difficult, well, let's say, not really smoothness, which he ultimately builds up or against the press. But this is a new thing that you think about. Yes. I saw Hiddink. She thought that very well of Heiting. Because that is of course a bit the story. Method to step out of the field. If you really explain the problem of the players who don't do anything about it. There are things, things outside the field, so to speak. And that makes the coaches use it. And Hiddink saw that as a smart move. Oh, yes. I actually thought that he just couldn't control himself. No. And of course it's fun if you start very well. Yes, that's true. But the first half. Three minutes. Yes, three minutes. That first half was really, it could have been 3-0. Yes. That also helps. It also has to be there. It has to be there. But if you compare Ajax with the technical management of PSV and Feyenoord. There is a world of difference in professionalism. Iter Kluse, who just takes Valente from Groningen. Who once appeared to be a top footballer with better players around him. Ajax didn't know that at all. I was also ... A young player like Rita, who developed very well. Slity. Yes. Hajmoussa. Hajmoussa. Yes. Also a good anchor. And at PSV, Idem Dito. And those two boys are standing behind Idem right away. Watanabe. I'll have to say something like Ahmad Hodic. Ahmad Hodic is of course Feyenoord. And the other one is called Casio Roski. We were talking about Feyenoord. Yes, Watanabe. Yes, Watanabe. And Ahmad Mosic. Watanabe. Watanabe. Yes, you can't put Clem Tone in. You have to put them very quickly. Watanabe. Oh, you can't put Clem Tone in Japanese. Watanabe. Watanabe. You can't put Clem Tone in. You have to put Clem Tone in again. You have to put Clem Tone in again. You have to put Clem Tone in again. Who? Oh, Daniela. You know that kind of thing. You look at the Japanese TV. You know why they talk. Watanabe sounds very Dutch. Watanabe. Watanabe. Watanabe. Watanabe. Watanabe. Watanabe. Watanabe. It's really an Afsendamese name. Yes. No, but I mean ... I mean, at Feyenoord ... Of course, there are also periods in which the board thinks less. Certainly, they had those periods. Yes, but ... With too much influence from the outside and so on. At Ajax it's been a while now. Yes. Yes. I was on Saturday afternoon with AZ under 19 against Ajax under 19. Really the biggest talent played at Ajax under 19. But as a team it was completely nothing. AZ much better. Ajax just played away. So it's better to play away, obviously. Better to play away as a team player. While the Ajax boys are just busy with their career in Bernabéu. And in the Naukamp and so on. There are all sorts of tricks to perform. Well, there was little cohesion in that eleventh. That's what I would say. And do you mean to say that you also see that back in both the first ones? No cohesion. In the first of Ajax you do see that back. Yes. But is that also a sort of ... That you think of club culture that would have to be different then? Because I also understand from young coaches at different clubs who say they don't have to play too much in a team effort. And constantly bring all kinds of things with them. But you also have to be able to develop yourself as a free footballer. Yes. But well, Kay Smith didn't suffer from that. He had that training at AZ. And that burst open, so to speak. Yes, but now you're going to do some kind of anecdotal evidence. While Ajax also comes with a pretty good youth player, right? Yes. No, you're going to have that right away. But at this point, that it is a bit structural, structural at the moment. Then you also pay attention to those kinds of things, of course. Structurally, structural at Ajax, I mean. Yes. And that's why I also get the talent to fail less. Because you have a very strong team. After 60 minutes already with 3-0-4, you can let that good young Ajax in. They also don't have a chance now. No, it's now all hands on deck every time. Yes. Who would have imagined that change? Regie in there and McConnell out. Grimm effect. Well, I can hardly imagine it. Because it was such a decisive change that Johnny came up with it. Yes, but this is now the situation that he never gets credit for. No. Because this was indeed a change that has sorted out a lot of effects. It started mainly with the boss as the conductor in the background. Yes. At that time it was just much better. Well, the original position was the boss left-back. Wrong. And McConnell was on six, wrong. Yes. They couldn't build me up at all. And that's what they do at the beginning, of course, at the boss building. So, I think it was a position of the boss more important than the conductor. No, I don't agree with that. No, because there was suddenly a lot of balance in the midfield. And while they were ahead of that, they were gone. Lienzon. Yes. That every ball he had was in danger. Yes. After peace, Lienzon was a bit gone. Then it went more from behind with Xeroge on the ball. So, Regie had a, maybe not very visible, but a very clear result. Regie didn't know what was going on. He never went with a man. He did, but he was chaotic. Yes. And the coach saw it, I think. But it also doesn't help that Sutalo was on the left and center in the first half. No. And sometimes, with the ball in the early game, there was a way of "help, help, help, help us please, help us please". Yes, I felt that rock ball again. Yes, yes. Sutalo is on the ball. Yes. But in the end, Ajax just had the smaller team for 75 minutes. Yes, yes. That's really, I mean, all underlying statistics and I'm just going full on a victory and a lot of victory for Twente, too. But I just read that Ajax, Twente has done 16 goals in the first half. Only half. Yes. And Ajax 4 or 5 and 3 are going in there, right? Expected goals, I don't know. Yes, 0.9 against almost 3 or so. And after half an hour, Ajax was 33% on the ball. Yes. Henk can also laugh at Ajax. No, but it's actually... But I saw the first quarter, so you were probably also looking at what is here. Yes. I just don't believe it, right? No. It's wrong. That bad football, you immediately believe it, but that good football... What is this, guys? It's all my imagination. It really took a while before I had a piece of Zachary to lay down. You don't believe that it's all of a sudden 3-1. No, but it also happened because Wout Weghorst was leading the game. Well, I did think that the header was really good. Fantastic, yes. And the foreman from Taylor was also very good. And his ball advantage, or the passing of that ball to the right, that he took on with that third goal, that combination goal. Oh, Morro, yes. Yes, yes, yes. He was still his server, because he turned away in a very difficult cover. Yes. And he was also a bit calmer. I think... Wednesday... No elbow, do you mean? Wednesday it looked like you just came from ADE, but you heard him on the field. If you looked into his eyes... And then you saw the ball. Yes. Yes, but I thought... What was also surprising and serious, was the enormous player role in which he turned away after the game against Twente. Because, I don't know, was it, well, the striker named it, "Why are you touched?" Columns. What touched you? Yes, something like that. Did you feel responsible for that, Henk? I didn't feel responsible for that, because I thought... Did you write about where the striker was? I did write about where the striker was, yes. But, yes, I thought about it, I thought it was silly, that's true. But... That he is so attracted to you. Yes, but I don't know for sure if that's the case. Look, he runs a lot to go to Heiting. After that goal, then I thought, ah, this is the striker. And then, how do you follow it, then, about the interview, and that the striker, according to me from ESPN, asks quite a logical question, "What is this? Is that a support statement?" Well, that's how you fill it in. What? It's just a little bit. Yes, what is it then, you know? It's so confusing, and then he stands in front of the camera at the NOS, and then he begins to cry almost, about the fact that he is written about it. And then he says that he does not read it, but that it touches a bell. So I think that's very confusing. Yes. Well, he was against Chelsea. It was very fair that he got rid of it. Because he was really very bad at it. He got yellow, he caused a penalty. He had knuckles, for example with Caicedo. Yes. But it's special that you are attracted to where you come from. With Chelsea, the English. The English media thought it was interesting to come back. Yes, but that song, "Your Shit" and "Icaro". And then he comes to Twente in his own... Yes, but immediately flew out. Yes, but he said he was going to sign at Twente. Dream club or something, right? Yes, and that was cool, because he had... When he had that AXP, he always had it. No, but I think that his father is in the FSC at Twente. So probably he thought I would do it a bit calmer. When he goes there. Yes. But the mountain house is also divided into a punch. Against Twente. Then Robby went to the side. Yes, it helped him, because he played better. He played better, he made a really nice goal. He was involved in the third goal. I thought he was one of the strikers. I didn't want to go that far. The word "out-blinker" after that game, I find it difficult. The word doesn't fit the goalkeeper. There should be a new word for thought. Because if the goalkeeper plays well. Anomaly. Yes. But the most beautiful match was PSV Napoli. That was really a party. Really at the level of Ajax in that glory. Yes, amazing. It's the worst thing you can do for PSV or Feyenoord fans. Immediately the comparison. With Ajax in the glovebox. I can't stand it myself. I drew the comparison with Nielis van Nistelrooy. Yes, that's beautiful. With Van der Kuylen Edström. Yes, but you have to go very far back. Yes. It's not so complementary. Well, Hedink also had good PC 11 players. With Avallai and Ajzatti. At the beginning of the EUWAT against Atletico. And Milan. Yes. I had worked and I was in the second half in the car. And that's so wonderful. Such a match in the car. Then I go home and look back. But just how those competitors rise. How they enjoy themselves. The joy. The joy and the stadium. You don't know what you see. You hear that. And I think it's so wonderful. Yes, and the fact that Napoli is just a champion of Italy. Is blown away from the field. Yes. We remember Ajax also had quite painful games against Napoli. Yes. They were even picked up a few times. And then they were against Chelsea. From Zalat, the biggest European loss. Oh, that was Napoli. Quaret Sceli. Yes. Two years later you see a lot of this. Especially that goal from Driouge. It was really with that combination and then that distance shot. I also had the idea as well. The Driouge, the last year. Yes. I really had the idea. If they play a quarter more, they just get a ten. Because it was really the last half an hour or so it really went. Yes. Surprising. And yes, that's what counts now. Who is back at the top. Veerman also plays well in the game. Yes. So then we often talk about the highest level. And that he has to show it there. And that he then comes too short. Not always. He was short for Tommeney and the Bruyne were just declassified. Yes. The Bruyne also invisible. Yes. Yes, he didn't really do a lot either. I really thought that was a bit disappointing. He went over to the top. Well, yes. You can say that. He doesn't have much more. I think it is. He played well in Belgium. No, in Belgium. But then you stop it well. I mean, I can run in here a hundred times then. Yes. Why would you still play football? Yes, I don't know. It's still Adrenaline and ... Seen to be confirmed, the stars are ... But you really have to ... It's such a good footballer, of course. No, great, of course, yes. You really have to go to the bottom if you want to stay on the level. And I don't know if you have that in mind. But well, everything was on PSV. They really didn't fit. Also not ... Oh yes, they were completely in the beginning. It was still shot by Spinat Zola once again. Then, yes, he was clean. And then it was on the right backfield. Then I thought, hey, is he back now or is he not back? But it didn't lead to anything, I think. And then he came back, shot. At a high level. So what do you think, PSV, how far can they come then? Of course they will qualify for the next one. Did you think so? They have a very heavy lead. It's really a pity that they have lost the first one against Union. Because it should have been the easiest. But well, I think that's all. Yes, but everyone can play like that. Yes, get 13 points. Last year, I think it was the 12th V-I. I think you had to have the 12th, but then there was someone with 12 left. So maybe you have to get 13. If I'm right, I can score a point. You have 4 now. It's not brilliant. But the game you've shown is that. If you're in state, to bring it up a few more times. And it looks like a big challenge in those challenges in the Champions League. So everyone has changed. Yes, and the goalkeeper counts more in this set. So because it was in the previous set, it was pretty clear who went through. Two good clubs, two less good clubs. And now you see that clubs also go through. Because you often come to the same points with a lot of clubs. If PSV has such a heavy program, it means that those players are the favorites. That they meet that late. And then you have a chance that they are already qualified. And then immediately have enough players. And maybe not full-fledged. Yes, because you can see that 11-tallers who just... ...not with the strongest attitude comes Chelsea. It was just an attack. The young 11-tallers. They also defeated the 10ers of Chelsea. Yes, there were 17-year-olds and they made their debut. What Ajax used to be, since England, is now with Chelsea. Yes, that's what Ajax football is all about with Ajax. It's getting complicated. Well, you get Olympiacals first. They can have that. Then Liverpool. No, they're at 7 points. Okay, we're just going to tell you everything. Liverpool, out or at home? Out. Okay. Athletes come at home at home. Yes, maximally manageable. Liverpool loses everything at the moment, so they should be able to do that. Well, it's a point. And there is already a point in athletics. Then they're at 9. Newcastle United, out. That's going to be difficult. It doesn't seem to be that difficult. Where is your Munich test? If your Munich test is placed, it could be a point. Okay. Well, then we're not there. No. So it's going to be a European league? Or is that no longer allowed? No. Because this round is going on until the 28th of January. Everyone overwintered. Yes, two more. That's very nice. Result, you can say. Ajax has a much easier screen. But Ajax currently doesn't have an easy screen. Karabag, yes. That's going to be a very complicated game for Ajax. Are you going to win? No, first Marseille, then Chelsea, then Galatasaray, Benfica, Karabag, Villarreal and Olympiacos, yes. If you had played as a PSV there, then... Yes, I think so, yes. Maybe even Goahert. Certainly. If the Europeans let themselves be seen by the people. But I don't know if you can play Champions League matches in Adelaide. No, that's what I'm looking for. Is that possible now? I don't think so. I think those guys from Aston Villa also thought a little bit. Yes. They said that it was well known that they were very vulnerable. They were very happy with... Aston Villa? Yes, they had that special. Because they were also very late. Because they thought that this would be their training spot. Of course they underestimated it, but they found it very... But yes, they also recognize that. It's also an English sphere. Yes, in a residential area, stadium in a residential area. Maybe they'll come home for it. Yes. Did you look at Man United against Brighton? No, I've seen the meeting. Yes, I was really determined in my opinion that the light is not completely selected. For the Dutch national team. Because he was now playing against Hecken. Yes, there were just two classes of differences. The light was wrong. Hecken really got involved in goals. In any case, at one. And the spit of United, the two spits, were just the indicators. A boomo. Yes. How do you pronounce that? Buemo? Buemo, but... Ismael is still. Yes, but the pitchers say boomo. Boomo, boomo, boomo. Boomo in Kunja. Kunja. Yes. It makes a nice goal. Yes. Yes, I also didn't find Hecken to be so strong at Oranje. The last two times. Even. Yes, but the light had to be included. Yes, but it has already lasted a while before it was so constant, right? Sure. So I think that you indeed now, according to me, look good every week. Yes. They find it the most constant to play with United. I'll give you a quote. One of United's most consistent performers underrated. Underrated. And who says this? Who said it again? Goal.com, I believe. And another round. Best season of his career. Yes. And they're really not respectful. Goal.com. Goal.com is not respectful. No. And they follow all competitions in Europe. I look at Goal.com. It's a mess for me. I also say Goal.com. Oh yes, Goal.com. Mr. International here. Yes. Well, yes. When is the next "International" period? Soon already. In November, I think. Oh yes, because then we have to move towards Lithuania and Poland. And we definitely have to move forward. So you have to be there. In Poland. It's something for the light, you know. To a given sphere. And he was not helped by the fact that McGuire was injured. It was also a good season for McGuire. And now Jorro is on his left. That's a very good central defender. But he's still Pip Jong. He's, I don't know, 20 or something. And... And in the Netherlands, Virgil now gets a lot of negative percent. That's the whole downfall, so to speak. In the case of Liverpool, he gets most of the blame. But you can also see the opportunism that now everyone says, OK, Slott has been a year in favour of Jürgen Klopp. And now he has his own selection. And now he has to do it himself. And then he can't see it. And they lose with one goal point of difference, right? It's not going to be overclassed. The only thing you may take as a consequence of Slott, you don't have to make any rush with your star player. Because Salah has, of course, a lot of influence in the dressing room. Slott has said a lot of things to please him. Like, yeah, but Salah is going to score again. This and that for sure. Was Salah's goal last season? Yes, certainly. Was her best season, she said. And she scored a lot. Yes, she has to do less harmful work than Slott, which she was very happy with. So that's why she scored a lot, according to Salah himself. But now she's a bit of a break. Well, a friction tension. Yes, a friction tension, because the star is on the bench. Or sat. So you don't like the star. No, that was the only one who won. In the Champions League, that he was on the bench. And now he was in the base again this weekend. Because he lost again. Slott has to adjust some people management. Oh, you can see it too. And you watched it. Oh, and you were out of food. Was that yesterday? Yes, yesterday. Oh, Barcelona Real. He's really playing out on Instagram. He knows exactly what everyone has been doing the past few days. Certainly. You know, gluins. About the protection. No, my old son was very old. I know. Congratulations. Thank you. I will continue. It's a pity that you don't go to Barcelona Real Madrid. I go to Barcelona Real Madrid. Did you see it? No, I was... You were at Goa Hashtadion. You watched it. Yes, partly. I didn't miss it because I watched it at the bench for four and a half hours. I watched Ajax first. Then we watched PSV, which also lasted a long time due to the confetti. So then I thought I had to go for a walk. You had to have a condition. I said to my wife, I have a headache. Yes, you're crazy. When the football was over, we had to go to Yinec. Then we had to go to Pau and De Wit. You watched it again? Yes. From quarter past twelve until... Paracetamoletje. Until quarter past eleven. Henk spent eleven hours on TV yesterday. Enjoyed by Simon Sylvana. Against Agama. Sometimes there is such a political argument. I used to have a headache on Marcel Vendam. But Agama would have never been in a driving program under Vendam. Really not. Stormfront was there. But don't you think that PVV is the biggest party in the Netherlands at the moment? The biggest party in the Netherlands? You mean you have to take those votes seriously? Yes, I think so. But it also concerns that you never see a PVV somewhere. No, because they can't get there. They can't get there, or they can't get there. That's always a bit... What is it? So I think it's interesting that somebody writes regularly. Every episode, right? Every episode. If I put it on, she says it. But she's the only one, because Wilders can't get there and the others can't. No, and she's gone now. So she's free to do what she wants. And then you get at least a look at a party that is very important in the Netherlands. Whether you like it or not. Yes, well... And basically, Wilders on TV is... How many votes does he have? Who? How many votes does Wilders have on TV? In Twitter, he can do something with one sentence. But here he has to interpret a coherent story. And that never works. And then he's a quater, and he's calculated. I thought I'd be at the news tonight. No, he's not doing the news. But he's a quater. He thinks he's too complicated, so he has to interpret it. No, because the news has made a special over Wilders. Oh, not with him. But not with him. No, he was there yesterday, I think. And then he twits that it's all our fault. Because he doesn't want to do the news. No, so you really should encourage the TV to come on TV a lot. And then it goes downhill. Yes, like those two MPs who... A.I. Beeltenisse of Timmermans have spread. What do you mean? Kreins and... Bone. Bone. And then you come back to your point where you opened up. That it was all too complicated. Yes, I knew it. Ah, what a shame, because it was really a good game. Real Madrid-Barcelona. Real Madrid was much stronger than the two-on-one, I guess. That was my 3-4 point. Yes, outside the game, but it was all right. However, Bapé stood a time, I think, 2 mm further with his foot than the defender. Yes, and then suddenly, people say, that's striking. It's a ridiculous rule. But I'm getting so tired of that. Also such a handsball, that someone sticks out their arm. And it strikes me. It's not a handsball, there was no handsball in the past. But sometimes I find it crazy, with that Gasjorowski, who dives to the ball. Yes. It was familiar on that shoulder, no one could see it, because it was very short. Yes, we had seen it for a short time, but I assume that he said it a number of times. And the discrepancy was very decisive. Yes, well, but... But in the quiet song, they still saw it. They saw that he was just on his shoulder. Yes. But it seemed, of course, that it was familiar. Because he dived to that ball. Yes. So strange. Yes, then it's time for our fast rubric again. In the frame of "Het Oranje Geluk", already 25, 26 years old, the main part of the state lock-up, which not only propagates the orange feeling, but is also a sponsor of this podcast. I have a story. In the 1950s of the previous century, I lived in Slotenweer, Amsterdam, New West. There was a tram to the central station. That was Line 13. After an island, it was on the central station, which sold a newspaper. So the island was abandoned. Most of the competition started at 2 o'clock. It was, let's say, 4 o'clock. And from 05.15 to 05.15, you could buy a newspaper with four pages next to it. Special edition, is it not? Yes. And then sold by men in rain jackets. Short 3/4 rain jackets with a bag on their shoulders, where they sat in that newspaper. A pet? Yes, probably, or whatever. I think so. And I once drove a boy from 9 years old with the tram to the central station to buy a newspaper there after the Dutch-Belgian competition. Or Belgium, of course. You listened to it on the radio. Yes, I listened to it on the radio. After that, I asked my father, can I go to the central station with the tram? Here you have a tram card, boy. He also wanted to see that newspaper. And what I still remember very well, the exhibition no longer knows anything. But the front page of that newspaper, what I bought on the central station, of a morseled man, that was a photo of Frans de Munch, he pulled up to the top of the corner, and you saw that he was holding it. I have the whole way back in tram line 13, just looking at those photos. Because I had the idea that they used to make better keeper's photos than now. Maybe because they were very close to the goal, little electronics. And it really looked like that, you know. And of course I was a fan of Frans de Munch, best keeper after Jan van Beveren. Black Panther, right? Black Panther. There were rumors about Frans de Munch that I'm not going to get here. But I have just mentioned it. They are all true. Probably true. Something with women and such. But that's rotten, we don't do that. But in any case, I was very happy, and my father immediately wanted to have that newspaper. So I really felt after that competition, whether they lost or not. Very very happy. With my newspaper from the Dutch self-taught. And you needed that newspaper to believe that it was true, maybe because such a radio keeps it a bit... Abstract. It's the same that they won or played at the same time. Because if you put such a photo on the front page... That's true. Then from a salvation, that was an important moment. In the competition. And probably they always played against Belgium, I have the idea. Only. Only. Luxembourg and Belgium. Luxembourg lost to the Dutch self-taught regularly. And Belgium won, for example, 9-1. For example, I won 9-50 this year. Do you know that? I look around at Pelle. And Pelle stands up there. So we can round off. I'm going over to the roundabout. Suus, do you have a... I'm going to enjoy tomorrow how Ciri de Spitsen is swept out. Big, big Dutch football player. He's going to play in the Netherlands. In the arena. Not in the arena. Where? No, they play with him. How many in the Netherlands? 200? 200 million. Most in Europe, men than women. 275, something like that. I don't know, I don't have any. How can it be so much? Because he's been playing in the Netherlands since he was 16. But that helps. He's never been blessed. How do you do that? He's been playing in the Netherlands for a few times. Do you play six games at the same time? Some of the games... ...the boss coach says during his period in the Netherlands... ...maybe he's calm or whatever. But he always wants to. So he's been in the Netherlands for almost 20 years. Does he have to sleep in the field now? Or else he'll just go on? In good conversation with the boss coach. They already talked about it a bit. I really have to think about it. And I also want to spend more time with my family. And maybe they also got something to hear that... ...that they don't have a fixed value. Since that hasn't really been the case. And Furink has also given the new boss coach... ...that I want to continue with the players... ...with whom I could also join in the next week. So that's in 2027. So I think that combination of things... ...he has decided to say... But he's just going on. Yes. At some point he's going to become a coach. He has thought of the guys as well. I think that's a nice new ambition. That's where they want to start. Oh yes. But soon there will be a place for free. That's true. Oh, you're talking about the guys? That's what they want? Yes, they want to be with the guys. Okay. There will probably be some youth teams. Under 19. Yes, but first there will be under 15. The building is always like that. Interesting. Because Sarina hasn't said her wishes yet. No, but Sherida says... ...that I can shoot well. I can go around with her. That's what I think. And I also think it's nice if someone has... An ambition. An ambition and that's what he's talking about. Because especially as a woman... ...what kind of reaction will you get? And she just says... Ajax 1. Yes, that's what I think. I think that's nice. Yes. Michel, do you have a question for the round? No, not really. Do you want to vote? Vote this week. Vote. I don't vote either. Then we end here at AF. We can vote for the other half of the day. This podcast has been made possible by States Lottery... ...or 25 years proud partner of Orange. Play with WUSTA 10+.