Died During Childbirth; Received Downloads About The Future

And now, from beyond our dimension, this is the Jeff Mara Vagas. Here's Jeff. My guest is Claudia Watts Edge, near death experience, or who returned today to talk about the spirit school that's on the other side. Claudia, welcome back. It's great to have you again. Hi there. It's been a minute, so I'm excited to have another conversation with you. Now for those of you out there who don't know Claudia, she was one of my first Indiees. She was episode number 100, and that was about five years ago. So it's amazing to have you back again. And I'm sure the majority of the subscribers out there weren't here. And even though your Indiees probably been heard close to a million times collectively, for those out there who haven't heard your story. Can you share a little bit of it for us? Sure. Well, it started for me this search when I was 16. I lost my father and was very close to my dad. And so I was searching for some way to understand where that lively spirit had gone. I didn't understand spirit, but there was something that was missing as I looked at my father during his funeral and realizing that death is so much more, there was so much more within him that was missing. Where did it go? What was it doing? You know, when we die, what do we do? And it's been a study of research for me for my entire life. When I was 31 and I was giving birth to my last child, I have five children. I had an episode of the placenta filling up with blood. I happened to be thankfully at the hospital at the time because it was an emergency. I was in no pain or anything, but just as I was putting on a gown to be examined, the placenta exploded. And blood was all over the room. And they couldn't find a doctor on the floor. It was 10, 30 at night. Everybody was, you know, kind of, it was a pretty calm evening. So they ended an intern. They found an intern to come in and he took one look at the room and said, this woman's got two minutes of life left. I lost so much blood in that explosion. And then it was just a continuing. And I could tell that something was definitely wrong, even though I wasn't in pain. The room, the walls popped off the room and it began to form kind of a, well, I knew it was a tunnel because I'd been researching. You know, it's like, oh, here comes the tunnel. I'm dying, right? And it was my hearing had become very acute. I could hear conversations all over the hospital, even car doors slamming out in the parking lot. And my last words as they were, they were looking for a heartbeat on the baby and they couldn't find one. And I just, I took the doctor's hand and said, save my baby. They brought in a crash cart with a scalpel and without any kind of anesthesia, any, any kind of measures of comfort or lessening of the pain. They just held me down and cut the baby out. I actually gave my permission. I felt like I was trading my life as the mother to try and give life to this new little baby. But when I saw them lifting this, the lifeless baby from, from me because she had drowned in my blood, I was, I was just out of there. I was like, I've had enough. And I popped out of the top of my head and I could see everything, but it was just so gruesome. I lost interest really fast because I no longer recognized myself as that body lying there. I actually equated it to, oh, that poor woman, you know, just, it was just awful because I was fine. Claudio was great. I took with me every bit of my personality and knowledge and sense of humor and everything was still intact. And the transition had been so soft. It was just a soft like an pop of air that just now I'm in a whole different dimension, frequency, you know, whatever term that you want to use. I stayed in the hospital for a little bit to explore the hospital and I was roaming the hallways, how I was roaming while I was floating, but I didn't even really acknowledge that I was doing something miraculous when I went through walls. You know, I had to get out of that room. I went through a wall. How did I move? Well, I was floating and I saw my husband, my then husband filling out paperwork for the insurance and had his driver's license out and all of that. And spent a moment realizing that, you know, this was going to be really hard on him. At that moment also my knowing was that the baby was gone too. So this was going to be hard on my children, the work, you know, my living children and him. But I had a wave of, it's all going to be all right. It's all going to be okay. And I moved on from there. I saw things in the hospital and I won't go into all of them, but it was funny that I could hear music in the background and with this acute hearing that I now owned, it was wonderful. If I focused on a certain conversation, well, I focused on this music and I followed it through the hospital. It led me in a gentleman's room and was watching mash. And so, you know, that familiar theme song and he was watching TV. Was it paying any attention to me? I even got down in front of his face and did, you know, a little tease and there was nothing. And at that point, not saying that I didn't know that I was dead exactly, it's a little bit fuzzy there, but at that point in time, when I realized that nobody had seen me, my husband, any of the people in the hallways, I went, oh, I'm really dead. That I went into a place that was instantaneous into a place of perfect blackness. And I was so happy to be there. It was infinity of intelligence and it knew me intimately, knew everything about me and it comforted me just being in this space. It was everything and nothing all at the same time. And I was just enjoying to be within that space of a perfect, I didn't hear anything or see anything. It was completely black. So I can't answer a question of whether I even had like an ethereal body or anything at the time. I couldn't see if I'd put a hand in front of my face, I couldn't have seen it, but I could feel, feeling was the entirety of this place. But there came this scratching voice. Was human and it was one of the nurses at the hospital that was trying to call me back. Claudia, Claudia, come back. You've got a baby girl and she needs you. Well I'm like, no, because I saw my baby girl was not alive. So I thought this was the big tease to get me back. And I just went, I'm good, you know, in my thought pattern. I'm good. I'm happy, you know, leave me alone, but she kept up with it until I felt a need to answer and just say, I'm okay, really. Just leave me alone. That thought to thought was not working. And so I was trying to find a mouth, a voice to speak the human language. And as soon as I did that reality of humaneness brought me right back to my body. And it was like, we got her. We got her. She's back. I wasn't very happy about being back at the time to go to complete perfection back into the war room. But yeah, that was my near death experience. It is certainly went on from there. And I know we'll talk about it. But as far as that immediate experience, that's all I had to go on. Now during that experience, did you go to the spirit school as many other ND years have or was that something that happened to you later? It was actually happening later. And it was because I've been asked, was this memory? Is this new? I actually ask really fervently for a number of years as I got flickers of memory for about 20 years because I wouldn't talk about it because I research, and NDE research came into the room when I was about in the third day of trying to heal. Now I'd bled out, and so every few hours I was getting a new unit of blood all day long, you know, for I was in there little over two weeks trying to build me back up just to a point where I think it's sending me home. So it was a long, long time to get well enough, and so here I am on, you know, in a pharmaceutical sleep and, you know, I'm walking up and there's someone holding a clipboard by the bed and they're asking me, you know, the first question was what did it feel like to have that kind of a surgery with absolutely no, you know, anesthesia, nothing. And, you know, you're searching for words to someone you don't even know or why they're asking this. And, you know, I got out well, it hurt, it hurt, you know, it's kind of like you're doing this scramble of what else, and I said, it hurt really bad. And it was like, okay, check. She's not ready to talk about it or something. And the second question was, you know, who did you see here, you know, while you were, while you were out basically. So are you saying that you were clinically dead while you were out? I was, I was in the hospital, so it was, it was, I can't think of the word, but it was, yeah, I was called, but this intern was no way going to give up. I would have been, he would have had two patients, his very first, um, C section, it was all very new. He wasn't even in that department. He had no idea what he was doing. And yet I, I just went, I'm turning my life over to you, you know, do your best kind of things. So, um, yeah, I'm not sure. I don't know. Well, we get back to the spirit school. So are you saying that you saw that during the NDE or late during the NDE, what I have learned, I'll insert what I've learned years and years later was part of it was in that NDE. I was shown a lot during the NDE, but I believe the darkness was was like you've, you've used the term, you know, waiting room or transition room or being held against the trauma that I had experienced. I know that the soul can, can do, you know, separations or whatever I think part of me might have been off experiencing much of this well, my consciousness was being soothed and swaddled and taken care of. I asked once I in in deep meditation and, you know, it's kind of like people are asking me, is this memory is this new and I, all I heard was laughter, not mean teasing laughter, but the joyous chuckle that is a company's, um, heavenly experiences, they're joyful on the other side. I'm like, is this new and it's like, does it matter? And I thought, well, no, as long as I'm getting that I don't care. So I can't, I can't point to which experience was was what. And my spirit school came after really fervently wanting to know more for years and years and I, I was in a dream state and what my spirit guide was trying to teach me was to become lucid within my dream. And he showed up one night, I had no idea what it was, but I'm in a regular dream, you know, TV dream, whatever the last show you watched type thing, but there was a flittering. It just above me that was distracting from being in the dream and I looked up and there was a ferry was a man, a chubby short stocked man with, you know, four days worth of beard and smoke in a Stogi with an ash hanging off of it and he was stuffed into a little pink tap. So they come the two twos, the ballerina to twos and he had a fairy wand and I'm thinking what the heck. I mean talk about getting my attention right. And as I'm watching him, he had a board that he would touch the one to he didn't say anything, but he said pay attention to this. It came out in stars pay attention to this. And I'm like, yeah, I'm paying attention to this for sure. And he would come nightly for a while and I started to recognize, okay, it's time to look up and pull out of that dream. And so he taught me to become lucid within within the dream state so that I was just still lying in bed and, you know, looking like nothing going on, but I was visiting an amazing place. And one of the ones that, you know, come with me and we ended up going into a type of auditorium setting and each class. I know I mentioned it before, but this is not your regular college learning experiences. These teachers are so loving and joyful. It is a pleasure to learn. It is a innate pull. You just want to know what you know. So they're extremely patient and loving and they want you to learn as much as they as they want to teach. So it's really a good combination of of an experience and they use metaphor. They'll use little clips, little stories that will change the storyline and tell you right up front. This is a metaphor. This isn't exactly how it happens on the other side, but we're going to show you in this form so that you when you wake up, you can remember this story. It'll make sense and you can write it. I wrote everything in journals. I have a library of journals of my dreams. And so that's what I've put the book together with are those those stories. So would this be accurate to say that you may have gone initially to the spirit school during your Indie, but the majority of your attendance was afterwards usually through your dreams. Yes. Are you still going to school? You know, very rarely. I don't think it's because I've graduated, but I think the importance that's been put on what I've already been given is what needs to get out there. I do get a few things here and there, but I was going at least two to three times a week for a long time. And now I'm like, where is everybody come on. And I'll add that my fairy would change costumes, you know, keep it keep it light, keep it fresh kind of thing. And he would come anything as a the Texaco man or a little boy in an astronaut helmet and you know, just in the jammies and astronaut helmet type thing or a fireman in his gear. And I noticed his face was always covered. And I ask a medium one time. Because I wanted to know I knew that this had to be my spirit guide. And I used to walk the trails in Colorado Springs, I lived right by the Air Force Academy and that's some great trails. I got a couple of walking sticks that I called Bobby and weavy and they would we click, click, click, you know, throughout and and the entire hike was a meditation for me. I want to know my spirit guide. I want to know more. I want more classes. I really want to know click, click, click. I'd always had clicking in my left ear ever since I was a kid and I you know, I didn't know what it was I'd ask other kids you ever hear click click, clicking in your ear. And I never, you know, it's kind of like you just stop talking about it, but I accepted it's every couple of days or whatever I'll get something. I've just thought, oh, it must be a frequency type change or something something within my ear and but let's see, I've walked off a cliff here. What did I, why did I want to tell you all that? I'm not sure, but let me ask you this. Okay. What are some of the subjects that you studied? Oh, my goodness. Yes. Well, I'm in a shamelessly hold up my book. I'm going to stay away up to my spirit school. I need to go to spirit school. This is a curriculum of heavens teachers. and my lessons have been on Jesus, free will, soul groups, dream work, spirit guides, parallel lives, future events, reincarnation, extraterrestrial life, pre-life planning, after-life communication and near-death experience, my near-death experience. I needed another stair step for the rest of it, so that's an introduction. And I have to tell you, as we talk and I listen to a lot of other podcasts, I feel so lucky, so blessed that I've had so many different experiences within that school. It's like I know a little bit about a lot of things. You know, I'm not an expert on one particular thing, but I certainly have had just about, I can't say everything I have no idea how much more there can be, but it had a lot. Did you encounter Jesus at the spirit school? I didn't at spirit school, that was a particular, I used to call it dream experience, and I will still call some of these that exact thing, the dream experience. There are two things that I never included in my previous books, is about Jesus, because I didn't want to seem, I can't even think of a good word for it, but you know, the people might not accept, hey, you know, she's got a connection aligned to Jesus, you know, that's left for, you know, the pulpit and the higher ups. You know, it's like I didn't want to impose myself on someone's beliefs that that's may not be possible, but yes, I've had dream experiences with Jesus, and also extraterrestrial. What can you tell us about Jesus that you've learned that many people may not know? I can't hardly, I can hardly talk about Jesus without being completely filled. This man is our brother, he's not a deity, he's not an on high, he doesn't want to be, he just loves us with everything, he wants us to grow and learn, he's our big brother, and he welcomed, he welcomes me to just practically sit in his lap like a big brother, and just tease me, or, you know, just be playful, he was the brother that, you know, has watched over me as a child, he knows everything about me, but he also knows everything about all of us, and it's such a pure love that I wrote about in my book that I used to be a hospice volunteer. So I've accompanied a lot of people to their exit, their earth exit, and one of the experiences I had as a woman who she wanted to know more, and yet her belief system didn't want, she didn't want to let go of what she believed, which she was, she wanted to know more, and I walked her down the hallway into a really calm place, a big windows and trees, and, and, you know, I said, you know, I too, have want to meet Jesus one day, we started talking about Jesus, and I said, I know that what I would do is what I, what I was taught my whole life is the showing of being so humbled of Jesus that I would kneel down and want to touch the hem of this garment to show this ultimate respect, and love to Jesus, this is what I had been taught, this is how you act with Jesus, and here, here he is before me, and I'm kneeling down and he's going, no, no, no, I don't want you to kneel, I don't ask you or anyone else to kneel, and he took his hand and he lifted me up, and he said, what I want is for you to walk beside me as a teacher and a friend, do not worship me, so it changed my entire identity, my clodious identity with Jesus, or what not to see him as not that picture on the wall, or that statue, but this loving being that I can just call big brother, is that loves me, and I can bring my problems too, so that changed in a big way. You remember your dreams and the time you spent in the spiritual classroom on a daily basis, or does it come back to you like a download? When I wake up, it is, I keep a journal by my bed, and even if the lights aren't on, I will write key things, if it's in the dark, I'll write, you know, auditorium or the teacher, this was, this was a subject, subjects are clearly marked. They let me know this class is choosing a body, you know, we're into pre-life planning, or, you know, choosing your adversities, and these, they come in, oh, cycle, sometimes I'll get 10 different classes of different metaphor situations to try and focus in on one subject, and that's why it's so hard. You know, when we say, you know, who are we, who is God, or whatever, well, you know, I've got 10 different lessons to try and, you know, seem it all together for an answer. So some of the answers, you know, they come in a funny just so that I'll remember it. You know, in answer to your question, it's like, as I'm, as I'm writing in the journal, it's coming out full force, full the full memory. And then, you know, as I was kind of preparing what, what I might want to talk about today, I go, I flip through my journal's man, I see things, I don't remember. So, you know, it's, but I, but I keep track of them because, oh, this, this experience, match this one in this journal, and, you know, they don't all sometimes come in a one clump, you know, they vary it quite a bit. But I've had, I've had classes on teaching different dimensions, the crossroads of our decisions and how we can splinter off and have an experience of if we're making a major decision, such as a divorce or something like that. We can actually splinter off, I'll tell you this, this, give me an example of the story is I was on, I was on stage, I could, I knew there was an audience in front of me. Do I, did I see faces in the audience? No, I think it's kind of veiled so that I'm not looking for who it is that was watching. But, but I knew, but I was on stage and I was never one to volunteer in school, which was really different and here I am in front of a whole bunch of people. And there were spheres that were rotating around me, this clear bubble, fear, and I was encouraged to do something like, you know, stick out my tongue or flip my hair, you know, just some kind of movement with on that chair. And I did and that, that me and would go into that bubble. And so here's me, as she's sticking out her tongue and having fun and not and not and as it's going around in this Ferris wheel right in front of me, it would, it would kind of bubble off fly off and another empty sphere would come into its place. There were 12 of them and what I was shown what I've learned from from that experience was that some of the decisions that we've made in our life, we get to live in in both of what of what we chose to stay in, but what if because I've seen the what ifs in a secondary type life review. Where okay, this is Claudia's life, but there's also, you know, these are when it comes to a conclusion and you want to and you want to look further in what that what did that mad, you know, because we're learning from our life review, well what could have been different. Here's this other example that can be brought in this Claudia stayed married or you know didn't have any more children or whatever and this using the same intent of our coming to into this to to be born and being the beyond earth and and live this life, but there are other choices that could have been made. So it's a learning process, this one that's bubbled off is still there for the teaching afterwards, therefore focus on what could have happened. So it was really as unfolded into tears and tears of learning. was pretty interesting. So. Well, the audience knows that ET's are one of my favorite subjects. And so what were they doing on the other side where they teach us? Oh my goodness. I can't say they were on the other side. I have not had a physical contact with ET that. Okay, rather than trying to explain, I'll just tell my story is, you know, I. really funny. I was woken up one morning and I was scrambling for a pen and paper. Why from a immediate sleep to jumping up for a pen and paper, it was on July 9th 2013 and an audible voice, I could hear it. I looked to my sleeping husband and he was sleeping. He didn't hear it, but I ran into the bathroom as I was writing the words and I've written them down here. I will introduce you to a league of extraordinary helpers through these thoughts. I will come. I'm sitting in the bathroom and I'm hearing a miracle. I was so stunned and in rereading that there was a download of these these helpers, these extraordinary helpers, were not of this world. One of them is my, as I was telling earlier, is my spirit guide is not of this world, which is why I wasn't being shown his face. When I was a kid and I'm going off on another trail, so help me hold it all together here, Jeff, but when I was a kid, I used to see things and I would call them ghosts. Well, I have. and I'd have to call my mom in my room. She'd sit at the end of my bed until I went to sleep, because one night I woke up, in fact, I'll show you, I created a picture of what I saw in my room, was two people. One was a man and a woman standing looking at me. I hope you can see that. Did I lift it right? Can you see it? They were in my room and it scared me to death. As soon as I yelled mom, they went through the wall. My entire growing up, I would walk out my room and in the hallway, and the only thing that was in the hallway was the metal doorbell, striker. I'd look at that and think that the ghosts were hiding in that. I'd walk by with a look to it. I've had COVID twice. When we first met, I'd had quite some illnesses and went on through 2022 of being hospitalized with COVID. And those were times that I would see not the woman, but the man, long cloak with wider skin, kind of bumpy, tight skin, and kind of pronounced features, stand at the end of my bed. And I realized in one of these classes, one of these classes I was shown, because I started calling him the watcher after this class, because I was shown as high tower, and I'm being watched from wherever it is. That's the metaphor that showed me you're being watched over, you're cared for. So I've had about four instances with my watcher, never says anything, but I know that he's there too. So that's in my my clicking noise, I went to a psychic, and she was telling me that she couldn't understand him because he spoke in clicking noises. And she says, because I said, what is his name? I just want to, I just want to talk to him by name. And she would say, because she was getting the telepathic from him, but when he was trying to say his name, it would not come out. She said, it's clicking noises. And I said, well, what does he look like? He said, otherworldly, what does he look like? And she said, you're probably not going to like this, because I've been kind of a scaredy cat of youthful scarings in my room. And I said, no, no, I really, I want to know, if this is my spirit guide, there's much more that I need to learn and not be afraid. And she said, well, he looks a lot like a gargoyle. And I'm going a gargoyle, you know, it's like those scary faces that are on buildings. And I was like, I never really paid attention to him. I just thought the architecture was weird or something to put these scary things on buildings. So, you know, I thought, does this bother me? Well, it took me, I ask, I really wanted to see him in, because he would hide himself under hats, the space helmet, you know, all of these things where I never could see his face. He let me see his face one time. And man, yeah, he's, he's a gargoyle type, but like a teddy bear, like a loving the sweetest, you know, so there was like, I'm letting go a fear of, of, you know, meeting extraterrestrials or, you know, I have one who's caring for me. So, I need to let go of this fear. Well, one of the things he sent me in dream was two cans of raid type, you know, the insect spray, but he had alien face on it. So that if I ever got scared, I could hold him back or whatever. It's, you know, I was listening to a podcast from Preston Dennett. I think he's been on your show too. Yeah, a couple times. Yeah, yeah. Really interesting. And, you know, it's, it's your, I think a lot of these occurrences with otherworldly extraterrestrial, what it, you know, whatever the new word is now, is your interpretation of the visit. You know, it, you know, do we show fear? You know, at first, you know, I even had said, I don't mind a meeting, but I'm not sure if I want to see their face with something that I was talking to them in spirit school about. So I said, I don't, you know, I just, I'm not sure I'm really trying to let go of fear. And so that's when he sent me, you know, those cans of spray. Well, it wasn't very long after that. I'll tell you, my, my first encounter was amazing, was I was asleep and I felt a poke in my back. And I said, yes, though I don't remember what the question was, but I'm assuming it was either may we speak to you or may we poke you, you know, but I did feel something in the middle of my back. And I was getting up out of bed. The room was completely dark and I reached out my hand because I wanted to show that I was not going to be afraid, that I was welcoming the contact. And I reached out and I grabbed a hand. I could tell that one was quite tall. And when I took the hand, there was a communication between us. And I felt it was a he, I'll say he was very worried about because there had been a contract made not to not to scare me. And here I am touching him. And he's got long fingers, four fingers. And they were, they had like this little wispy hair like it reminded me if you've ever picked a warm string bean used to pick the beans in my grandma's garden. And you know, that that warm and that just the softest little little hairs on it. And that's exactly what his fingers felt like to me. And as he as he was thinking, oh no, you know, she I'm afraid that the contract is broken. And I spoke up. Was it to him just thinking now? I guess it was probably still telepathic. I don't remember if it was word or thought. Anyway, I let him know I was fine. And I let him help me out of bed. I'm in my night gown. And there were, there was a short woman, kind of a little plump woman. And then a very young man in his military type, garb and all kinds of metals and everything. And we exited out the big picture window above my tub. I had a great big window that overlooked the Air Force Academy. And we walked out the window. So how that how they how that happens, I have no idea. But we were It was winter and yet I'm in my nightgown and bare feet and we're walking the lawns. You know, so there's a lot of missing pieces to it, but my interaction with them was a gift because what they want, what the woman, she seemed to be more of the spokesperson and the military young man behind her was very quiet and I was determined that I was going to make all of us feel comfortable and I turned to the military gentleman and I said, "Wow, you've sure got a lot of medals for your years, right?" And just trying to be jolly and he kind of puffed up a little bit, kind of stood up a little straighter and he said, "You know, this is not a reflection of who I am and what I've accomplished, kind of thing, a little bit stark, a little bit, you know." But it told me right there that what I was seeing was what they was given to see, not necessarily who they were, but what they wanted me to interpret or something. And I'm not sure for my comfort level or whatever. So I knew that he wasn't going to talk much and the woman turned to me and she asked me, "This is hard when too, Jeff, because it's very sacred, but she asked me if I would like to see myself as God saw me and I'm like, "Sure, you know, and there was a stepping out of myself somehow. I'm now on the outside of myself and I'm no longer in a night-gown. I'm in a really pretty royal blue suit that my mother had made me just after I got married before my first child. I could fit into it. It was a nice slim little suit. And I just looked so beautiful. I'm looking at my long, dark hair and this body that I worked hard on to keep it shapely and everything and make up or whatever just right. I just looked beautiful. And not the God sees me in a physical way, but again, another metaphor that helps you understand because what we see as beauty, right? It was showing me that you are so beautiful in God's eyes. And it made me remark out loud, "Wow, she's doing really good, isn't she?" Because I see myself with other worldly beings and I'm being kind of an embesary earthly, you know, I'm trying really hard to just hear what they have to say or just be that perfect contactee or whatever. So as we, as that past and we were still done back in my night-gown, I'm walking in the snow, we came up to a bus. There were all kinds of people all around laying on the grass, lounge chairs. It was a very carnival. That's not quite the word, but joyous and fun, like a holiday or something, like something really good was happening. And I'm standing in front of a school bus basically and left there, okay, we'll wait in line here. And a man ran to me and said, "Do you mind if I go first?" And I'm like, "Sure, whatever, I have no idea what's coming next." And he says, "I'm running late. Do you mind if I go before you?" When I did enter the bus, it was not a bus inside. Was it a spaceship? What, you know, I don't know. Everything changed. It was very all kinds of machines and things around. And I still was being very accepting. It was not going to let fear enter. And I was on a table and years ago I had lasex surgery, years and years ago. And the machine was on this eye and then it moved to this eye to correct the second eye. Well, this is what this machine was doing, something to my eyes. And when the machine moved over to my right eye, this, "Okay, I'm opening a door here, Jeff. I've opened the door. It was a praying mantis woman." And she was, she was beautiful in her own right. She was feminine and she had this motherly, she was holding my hand and the exchange between us was amazing because she was telling me, helping me understand that I wasn't being heard. I was being helped. You know, I've had eye problems my whole life and the, that, you know, a soft smile. I'm trying to think of like what show, you know, like a Donna Reed show or something where they're just such a pleasant mother. I just had this mother feeling from her. She was motherly. And I now when I hear, and I was listening again to Preston's, one of his latest conversations, is because there was a praying mantis or the disclosure day where they show her with a praying mantis or she's talking in a click, click, click type thing. And so many of these experiences that I've had are, you know, are coming true. I'm glad you brought up the movie because I was thinking about asking you, is the clicking that you hear similar to what's shown in the movie? Yeah, it is. That's what was, and I, in fact, I listened to something that she was saying how that was created, that it's actually her voice. It wasn't AI created. I mean, it was layers of layers of her making noises that they layered it to be that, but that that's all her. Like yeah, very, very similar. And that, you know, really speak, just picked my interest to want to see the movie. About 30% of my guests who've had near death experiences went to some type of spirit school. Do you think we all go there once we transition at least in the beginning or is it something that's optional? I know that learning, I would say, is not optional. I think, I think the wanting to know more is an eternal drive to know more. Whether we, when we have a near death experience and get to experience that, I'm, I would opinion here. I would say no. I don't think everyone, I think we get what we need. There might be more that, like for me, that came up later, 20 years later, right? I've been fighting this a very long time of what those flex of memory have been. So it's, I've only had this clear picture for about a dozen years, 15 years, I guess, now. So from 31 to 73, I've been, I've been having a lot of dreams, doing a lot of writing and a lot of podcasts watching. Yeah. Many of my guests will say that the earth is a school. And now we're saying there's a school on the other side. It seems like we can never get away from school. From school. You better, yeah, you might not like it here. This, the earth is such an amazing gift to us as an opportunity to advance spiritually. We don't have to. I mean, there are cells on the other side that will, will never incarnate that don't want to. They're happy where they are. They're content. But many of us as we explore or want to know more or get bored, perfection can, I've heard can get boring after a while, you know? We look for a little spice. And from what I, what I have been shown and told and taught is that earth is a school. And it's got a lot of spice to it, you know? We're not going to be bored here. We're going to come and experience a lot. But it's not thrown at us. We actually in our, in a, we go to sessions of life planning. What is it that this trip? Because this isn't our only trip. That was the heart. One of the hardest concepts for me was reincarnation. It was not something that I grew up with or anything. So it took me a while and many teachings to understand reincarnation. But you know, we're here to experience and we get to, you know, pick out what it is we want to do. I can't even imagine being one that says, oh, I'm going to see what starving is like or losing a child or the horrible things that happened to us on this visit that we take back. And for many of those souls that don't want to to come, there's learning through us. It's not just us who is advancing, but we're helping so many on the other side, advances well through our experiences. I agree with you. And I think that perhaps people are even uploading their life review into some system where other people can experience their lives. I heard it best from Nancy Danison. I don't know if you ever interviewed her. I think she's amazing. She was a corporate lawyer that just tells it like it is. And she said it's like being in it when you go across to the other side and staying there, not a near-death experience, but she said it's like a small town and the new movie comes to town. And everyone is clamoring around to basically absorb or to get your experience, which was shown as an explanation of how there could be four or five people claiming to be Cleopatra in a past life. It's like when you go, well how come this person says they were? Well, it could be something that you learned on the other side and incorporated as a tool. And it didn't exactly happen to that physical body of who you were, but you carry all the residual of the experience from the one who actually had the experience. Can anyone here access the spirit school through their dreams? And if so, how? Yeah, man, because I'm no more special than anybody else out there. And I hear people who meditate and do work so hard toward it. It's like how come I get to go to sleep and go to school? Man, that's kind of the lazy man's. I get to do it in my sleep. I think any of this can be accessed. I think it is in the want. Is the want? You and I speaking to someone's watching now and go, I want to go to spirit school tonight. And then you wake up and go, well, I don't think I went to spirit school tonight. But if you spend 20 years or six months or whatever, really, really, for whatever it is that you're asking for, contact with your spirit guide or anything, I think it. We have. Our greatest gift is our free will. We come here with the ability to do a lot of change from our pre-life planning. It's not set in stone. Our free will takes precedent over everything. And it may be something where maybe that you chose that you don't want to remember anything or just want to tromp through this lifetime. I don't know. There's so many different answers to that question. But I think that the universe really would love to give us the answers. But we just need to be. My whole life has changed as I got the answers. I'm not that free 31-year-old woman, too. And someone asks me, well, I haven't been lucky enough to have an NDE. And I was like, you know, you got to die for one of those. So, yeah, can there be other outlets? Yeah, I'm sure that so many of your guests have gone through those outlets. To learn. Before we got started today, you mentioned that you get downloads of what's coming in the future. Or there's something like that. Can you share with us what you've seen or what you've learned? That's some of those important teachings like that are taught in a download, but they include like one of the downloads is from my sister whom passed when she was 56. I only sister. And so I think those come with in a caveat of so that I'll remember because I get really excited when I wake up and go, oh, I saw my sister. I saw my mom or something. And then when the class is weaved in as them being the teacher, so it was really important. So what came from the download from her was the collapse of our of money situation. We won't be trading money one day like we do now. We'll have a more of a barter system. There's a coin involved that is more like a marker between two people that have bartered something, but we'll take over as far as builders will, you know, be helped by the gardeners and the gardeners are helped by the builders and all of that. And it's going to be a very very loving and community of everybody getting along. And one of the one of the downloads that I got was being able to see each other's auras. Some people can see them now. It's going to be something very easy to see if someone is colorful and, you know, different, they have them in some of these festivals where they take they can take a picture of an aura or something. And but they all mean something different. But if you're walking along and you see someone with this murky brown heaviness about them, you know, you're going to know right off the bat. I'm not going to vote for a more given many of my money, you know, that kind of thing. I've had as few as far oh, one amazing one and they and I had it wasn't sleep, but I was it was like a groundhog day of making me repeat a day over and over and over again. And what it was showing me is because something a catastrophe was going to happen. It wasn't I wasn't shown the catastrophe, but what I was shown shown was a catastrophe. And I was given the opportunity every day to try and fix it. Try to keep this from happening. And man, I'd work, you know, one time I went to authorities and this and this and this and it's going to happen. Well, you know, you're jailed for you probably, you know, planted dynamite somewhere or something. So you're looked on in suspicion or, you know, I was trying to change a married of things so the catastrophe didn't happen. And sometimes the time might have been set a little bit different or whatever, but when it happened and for your audience and you it was just a huge explosion of a boat that was used for my download. But I was like here, try to change this and no matter what I did, moving a pair of shoes or closing this door, locking this door, just going through this over and over till I was exhausted. This was going to happen. And it taught me that there are some events in this world that are meant that are set. They're going to happen one way or the other. There's a purpose to some of the catastrophes that we've lived through. And whether it be a learning experience, you know, the growth into a new phase or something, you know, but yeah, some things are set. That was that class. Some things are set. So that was a big one. We're going to have government. You know, I think we talked earlier, there'll be a change in borders and a change in leaders. Big time. And you know, I was thrown, I was shown government officials being thrown out of the White House and whatnot. So I mean, we're looking at a whole different change. Is it scary? Yeah, because I'm human, you know, but is it going to be worth it? Absolutely. The chaos that's coming is purposeful. Did you learn anything about reincarnation specifically? Are we forced to come back? Do we have a choice? And if we do, can we even go somewhere else? I love this question. Thank you. Because this reincarnation, I think I mentioned earlier was one of the harder concepts for me. It was taught to me several different ways. But it was taught to me through my father. As I was saying, my sister came back. Some of the really important stuff. Here my father, the man that I trust and love, is showing me reincarnation. He came to me. How do I say? Because I didn't see him. I felt his energy and his energy intertwined with mine. It was like an electrical buzz and I was feeling his soul signature and I knew it was my dad and he was going to teach me about reincarnation and what we went through. I was at the top of the tunnel. And when I was a kid, I was afraid to jump in the pool, backwards. It was just a silly, you know, something, but I could swim in that. But that letting go and going backwards was something that I just, I would stop myself. I'd start and then just fight to not complete. And so here I am at the tunnel and he's telling me to trust and I let myself go backwards and fall into the tunnel. There was no gravity or anything. I was free to, you know, move all about the tunnel. But what I noticed was along the sides of this tunnel was, it was like going through the old 45s that's that big hole in the middle of those old records. A stack of them together. So you can see that each is a different record. And as I was falling and, you know, gracefully flying and whatnot through this tunnel, I could enter those particular lives. He was showing me different lives that we had lived together and many that we hadn't. And, you know, the fact that we had switched genres and roles, you know, he could have been my teacher at one point or my wife or, you know, just all kinds of different scenarios. It was like the hugeest wow for me to be to enter that particular record and become that person, that me that was a little boy or a woman living in Scotland and then entering the tunnel again and going back into another record. So I spent many evenings going through past lives. So when by the time I woke up, it's like, it's reincarnation real, absolutely, absolutely. I was every single one of those people. So and as I said earlier, free will, free will is our greatest gift. We don't have to come back again. We can go that was enough. But generally we do choose to come back because in a sole way, it's fun. Your book is called Dying to Go to Spirit School. What is the main takeaway you want the reader to come away with? I wanted to reach out to people who are studying and exploring the near death experience. But there's so much more, you know, we we lap up every experience. Sometimes we'll fast forward to the good stuff. We just want to know the good stuff. We've got questions. Why are we here? What's our purpose? How come I wake up? I'm running trying to grab a cup of coffee. And is this shirt clean? Is that shirt clean? Trying to get to where we spend most of our day? And you know, we get tired. We're trying to, you know, be with our family and everything. And you go to bed and you do it all again over and over this cycle of, you know, it's like, isn't there something more? Or what's the reason for this cycle? And so I think because as you can tell, I'm a storyteller. I could just talk all day long. I think that was one of the reasons why I was chosen. I'm homey and story and all of that stuff. And I didn't come across these learnings in an easy way. I've had to really fight and hone in on on this education that I I'm so proud of now. My spirit school, I don't think I've graduated, but I'm sure, sure, please that I'm attending this. What, what did we call it earlier? Spirit University. You know, it's like, wow, you know, that's that's pretty cool. So what so hold up the book to see audience can see it. These lessons of stair stepping into a grander knowledge. So what am I trying to say here, Jeff? Basically is for those who are exploring or seeking and you know, you look to the the earth books that we have, our treasured, you know, religious books and that, looking for it for answers or an easier comprehension of answers. And as I wrote this book, I started October 30th, sat down day before Halloween and my fingers just flowed. I'm not calling this book channeled. This is my experiences, but I asked and I have to I wrote it down. I said that this is a divine collaboration of source with spirits, eloquent nudges for correct wording and content. That came from the light that I was writing as I was questioning. I know that I had assistance in this. I know that the the wording and the consistency and what not the content of the book is from the light. And so I'm trying to offer it out there as something that is not a hard lecture. That's something that is joyous. The best reviews that I've gotten are when they say, this book is humorous and fun and I'm learning all this stuff, but it's not heavy pulpit kind of stuff. I'm like, I feel like I'm being filled, but I'm being filled with joy. That is my achievement. I'm so proud of this book. So I offer it to the world, not from me, not you know, that's it doesn't matter who it came from, but this one came from me. I'm sure there are a lot similar out there, but yeah, this is this is teaching by subtitle, "A Curriculum from Heaven's Teachers." This is straight from the light. So yeah. Where can people go to find out more about it? It was self published on Amazon. And so and right now during, you know, all of their Amazon days and all the things, I've kept the price down. I do on all my books because it's not a money-making venture. It's a it's spreading the word. So I have it at $19, but Amazon has put it to $17 right now. So it's a it's a pretty darn good bargain book price right now. After watching this podcast, people may want to ask you questions. Do you have a website or a Facebook? Yeah, it is cloddiadge.com is my website. Though I have been so busy with this book, I have not updated my website. So you won't find spirit school on the website yet. I just finished the, it's in a book, Kindle, and also I just recorded for an audio book that's in, it's being edited right now. So so it will be on the website soon, but there's lots of other good stuff on the website. And I welcome anyone with questions. I had questions. I didn't know where to ask. I found, you know, the the IONs, the International Study of Near Death Experiences way, way, long after it had been established. I didn't know it was out there. I've become a member of the board of the Utah IONs now, you know. We were talking earlier about tech and that and, you know, if it's used properly and to search, I've the growth that I have found through people out there who contact me, who share their stories, who, you know, share themselves. I just I feel like I've got wonderful friends out there. And I have no problem talking to anyone at cloddyedge.com and I will write you back. Claudia, before we finish up, can you leave us with a last positive message? Okay. As was I told you earlier, I didn't just accept things on face value. I really, I hold it up to the light and I really study it. Sometimes I put it on what I call the mind shelf. You know, things that I have may have said today may bother some people a little bit. Well, you know, she was all spiritual and now she's, you know, going a little bit different direction, adding, you know, extraterrestrial and that. So I can understand if someone goes, where's Claudia going with this? Put it on the mind shelf. It doesn't have to be tossed and it doesn't have to be incorporated right away either, you know, let it sit there for a while and check it out. So what I would leave someone with is that I actually had a ceremony was brought up in a religious state with, you know, basically one church in the whole state. And it took a bit to get beyond the teachings. And I don't disparage what I grew up with, solid foundation, but you can grow that foundation. And there are some things that aren't going to fit perfectly anymore as you see, congratulate, and learn. And so what do you do with, you know, the spring can only hold so much. So I held a ceremony that took some of the old beliefs that I wasn't, didn't think I believed anymore. And I have an old treadle sewing machine from my grandmother that I took those things in a ceremony, thought ceremony, but very seriously and place them in a drawer of my grandmother's treadle sewing machine. So they were very safe. They would be protected by the ancestors if I ever needed to go back and put them back in, you know, that they were safe. They weren't just discarded and thrown away. Claudio, thank you for your message and thank you for being my guest. Thank you Jeff. I sure appreciate it. Bye everybody. Thanks for listening.