“Diddy Doc is Worse than Life is Prison” | How 50 Cent Ended Diddy's Career

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Plus, save time with job site delivery on select purchases. Not a member? Join for free today. Exclusions, more terms, and restrictions apply. Can't be combined with any other discount, including but not limited to contract and or special pricing. Loyalty programs subject to terms and conditions. Details at lowes.com slash terms. Subject to change. Yo, are we drinking or what? It's all it is. We can't start. Please. You might have to get something, man. Please. Because Al is saying sentences with more than three words. Once you get past three words. You don't know what's coming out of your mouth. You never know. Let's go. It's Secret Santa. Let's go. All those are three sentences. Hey, man. But once you get into the multi-salamic, bro, you get fucked up. You do get fucked up. That was fire what you just said. Oh, man. Yo, I was watching, what is the guy, Gene Deal? Do you know who that is? No. He's like a Diddy guy. I don't know. He's like working with Diddy in the streets or some shit. Okay. Wait, was he on the dock? No, he got cut out of the dock. He couldn't make it work because he wanted it, but he did an interview where he was talking about it. I mean, New Yorkers are all the same. Because he was just trying to say what the director's name was and fucked it up 30 times. What was it? The director's name is Alice Stapleton. No, it's Alexandria, right? Whatever. Yeah. See? See? Bitch ass. He couldn't even get close. All the irony and the ebony. Literally. He couldn't even get close, bro. He was like, yeah, man, fucking, you know, Alice Staples. What's her name? And like kept on having to cut off trying to talk shit about the director. Let me ask you a question. The gentleman you're talking about, black people make no effort with white names. It's astonishing. The amount of times when I'll go up in hood shows that they would bring me up is Adam Schwartz. Don't y'all have enough? Amash. I got Amash. For weeks in a row. Oh, Amash is good. Amash is good. And not even sing. Y'all give it up for Amash. It was Smokey. Shout out to Smokey. Yeah, shout out to Smokey. You're still Oshkosh for a lot of black comics. Yeah. Wait, don't we have enough what? We're Oshkosh. We're Oshkosh. We're Oshkosh. You have enough stuff. Like, we can get your name wrong. It's fine. Yo, I hate this Marxist mentality that's. Yeah. That has seeped its way into the podcast. Postmodern Marxism. Yeah. This is Marxism right here. We're leftists now, though. I'm not happy about this or not. No, but Alan is Marxism, man. Yeah, he's a fucking cultural Marxist. You're a cultural Marxist. Don't you have enough? Yeah, dude. No. We don't have. Don't you have enough podcast studios? How many podcast studios do you need, Al? So you're being. Yo, don't you have enough pockets, Al? What is it enough? Okay? When do you have one more pocket? I'm gonna be holding suits, though. I'm just letting y'all know. This is true. Y'all keep on with the jokes. This is gonna be Al trying to blow his gun, man. Y'all keep on with the jokes, all right? Keep up. Yo, can we just say, can we just announce on the podcast that Alex got a license to carry a concealed weapon? Yes. Let's go. Concealed weapon. Yes. Dang. Concealed weapon. That means the government thinks I'm safe. All right, so you can carry a. When does that come in, actually? He's not getting a gun. They're still doing more background checks. It's not gonna happen. You have to write a letter for me. Wait, how is he going to. Because he did, like, a good. He does, like, good, like, best men's speeches and all that type of stuff. I think he's gonna write a fire letter. I'm not writing a letter. A recommendation, yeah. I'm not gonna write a letter. You're gonna write a letter? You're gonna shoot somebody. He's gonna get his. You're gonna shoot somebody, and then it's gonna be partially my responsibility because I was, you know, the one who got you the gun. There you go. Now that's more street cred for you. Do they know that you were arrested in Sweden? They do not. Sure, sure, sure. But do they know that you spent a month in jail in Sweden? Do they know that you spent a month in jail in Sweden? Stop. This is gonna really fuck my shit up. No, it's not. They have no clue that your name is. There's no way they could possibly know that. You gotta blurb that. Yeah, blurb that. You could blurb two out of three times that I said his name is. You gotta blurb all that, bro. Stop. So they're gonna give you a fucking gun. Nail polish and a gun. Are you playing up the gay shit when you go in there? Yo, Big Ant. Yo, Big Ant. Oh, yo, Big. Yo, shut up, Big Ant! Yo, we got Big Ant on the pod, dude. You're the only gay drill rapper, yo. Big Ant, the truth. I'm not gay, so don't try me. You're what? I said I'm not gay, so don't try me. Why'd you even say that right now? We're not even talking about it. Because you scared me. A little bit. You think he could take it? He looks. You know, he's a size. I'm sizing him up. You know what his nickname for you is? No. Food Bank. And Big Ant is hungry. Shout out to the Food Bank of New York City. Yo, shout out to the Food Bank NYC. But real Big Ant, we need you to pull up on the pod. We do. Get a clip of Big Ant up. We need to watch that one from Patreon, because Big Ant is really the truth right now. That one right there. New Yorker of the Week. New Yorker of the Week goes to Big Ant. It's New York City gay drill rapper, like, la-la-boom. What? Big Ant, the first New York City gay drill rapper, la-la-boom. La-la-boom. I'm always valid at any street site walk-in. You heard what they said. I'm. I'm out, man. I'm muddy, like, what that mean? That's my name is, like, that's my niggie, like, what's up? This niggie is hilarious. I got the 380 in my purse. Bitch, you can fuck with me. You better duck, bitch. With the head, he's on his fire, bro. I don't even know. How did they learn that? For life, I'm a drill rapper. Let me see your box. Big Ant. Yo, Big Ant, we need you here. I love this guy, dude. Oh, Big Ant. See, and then they turn that on. Yup. Yeah, now you know how we feel. The fuck? Yo. Now we know how we feel. Yeah, what you mean by that? Yeah, what did you mean by that? What did you mean? You just said it. You just said it because you're white and so am I. And I thought it was the right thing to do. Boy, you never been talking to a black guy and you get scared really fast? No, I was scared that Alex is wearing his pants right now. I want to know how he got them. I want to know that you and Big Ant got the exact same bottoms on. I want to know if you've been training a little bit. Big Ant gets swaggy. Did Big Ant take you shopping? Be honest. Yo, did he take you shopping? Did he take you shopping or not? Is he on your Pinterest, though? I took Big Ant shopping. Yeah, right. Come on, man. Yeah, right there. You better duck, all right? For real. You keep saying that. Look at Big Ant. Come on now. Fly. Big Ant will take you shopping, bro. Get what you want, boo. He'll take you to Zara. Get what you want. Nah, don't do that because- Don't do what? Wait, is it? Don't do what? Fuck. He or she. That's Big Ant, bro. What do you mean? That's Big Ant. It's a he and he'll clap your cheek and spit on your back. You want to get your back spit on? No, but you know how- Big Ant is going to clap your cheek, spit on your back. Rest his glock on your head. Look at Big Ant, bro. A superstar is born. Truly, dude. Truly, a superstar is born. Is that what Big Ant said? That's a good one. That's New Yorker of the Week, 100%. Listen, also New Yorker of the Week, Diddy. This shit was phenomenal. How many episodes have y'all seen? I saw the whole shit. You saw the whole shit? Four down, four down? We all saw it. Holy moly. Yeah. It's funny how this motherfucker in the group chat, everybody, make sure you watch the Diddy shit. How many episodes did you watch? I watched all four of them. No, you didn't. Why are you lying? Did you? This motherfucker's seen one episode. No. This motherfucker. What I say in the group chat, I said, make sure y'all have seen at least one episode. This shit is amazing. Then you said, actually watch two. You know what? Maybe watch three. Maybe watch three. And at that point, who not going to watch four? Did I say maybe watch three? Yes. I got a child. I got a child. Okay. I got a child. Mark's in Chicago. Abandoning his children. Yeah. I was in Chi-Town. He's in Chicago. That's right. Big Ant. I was in Chi-Town. Clapping cheeks. Spinning on your back. Okay. Oh, my God. So you watched one episode? Yeah. I watched one episode. Yeah. What's wrong with that? Why are we shaming me for watching one episode? Bro, he lives in New York. He's from the streets. He knows what happened. I'm from here. I know what happened. You sent a mandate. Do you know how rarely he sends mandates on pod? Everybody, watch three episodes. Everyone on the couch. Yo, why are you separating the couch? I'm not taking this. Why are you separating the couch? What does that mean? What does that mean? You say everyone on the couch will watch at least one episode. Oh, just because you've got a chair. I'm trying to get rid of the couch. Oh. No, I'm trying to get rid of the chair, I mean. I'm trying to get rid of the chair. I am trying to get rid of the chair. This should be on couches only. Yo, Miles, where are the couches? Yeah, I've been asking for couches for three fucking weeks. Yo, Miles, what's up, bro? How many people are going to ask for a goddamn couch? Yeah. Can we get back to this, though? Have you guys ever watched anything I've asked in the history of this podcast? The first time you do it is with Diddy. Because you didn't ask. You told us to watch it. Well, I should have been doing that in the past. I should have been doing that in the past. Oh, God. God, we missed Yellowstone. Oh, I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. The fucking cultural phenomenon of Karen Costner as a cowboy. That shit didn't slap the way you thought it slapped. What, Yellowstone? Yeah, I don't hear anybody talking about it. You gave up on it. What you talking about? Who gave up on it? Who gave up on it? I watched all the other things from Yellowstone World. I watched 1923. I watched 1948. I watched all the Yellowstones. I don't even know what that is. Yes. The Yellowstone World is, you know, the Dutton Ranch has existed before our time. Really? And I found the story of how it came to be. You watched one episode of that shit too? I watched, yeah. No, I watched, I cleared through those seasons. I'm just, I'm going back on Stranger Things right now, but back to Diddy. Stop trying to get off the fucking topic. Yeah, why are you trying to send Diddy? Why are y'all trying to cover Diddy right now? Anybody getting off like Diddy? You guys watched the entire thing. You guys are both on flights across the country. Yeah, exactly. So you have no excuse. Okay? You, you watch it? Yeah, I was sick. So I had something to watch. All right. Do you guys want to discuss it or do you want to discuss how many episodes we watched? You just said fucking ask the question. What do you guys think will be the most interesting content for our listeners? Is how many episodes each of us watched or discussing the actual documentary? The Worldwide Sensation is number one in 32 countries according to 50 Cent who texted me. Yeah. Oh, that's funny. How long did it take you to get through the four episodes? Wait, what? What do you mean? No, I'm just saying. We were still talking about it. Oh. From the top, from the top, from the top. No, no, no. I'll bail you out. All right, all right. Don't even bail him out. I know. We need sound effects. Joey, right there. I needed to know. I know. I needed to know how many episodes you think it would take Joey to find one sound effect. You know what I mean? That's all I thought I was going to say. We're not going to get another couch up and ask for another couch for a month. Here we go. We don't even know what that was. Yeah, that wasn't great. Real talk, you've been asking for a couch since pre-Australia. Pre-Australia, right? Son, this is seasons ago. I've been asking for internet for the last two months. We finally got it. We finally got it. We finally had internet. There was a woman in a Hillary Clinton suit walking around here. I was like, the internet is about to get worse. There's no way in hell that this lady knows how to put the fucking internet in there. That was the Wi-Fi lady? The Wi-Fi lady. She was just hacking emails, dude. No way. Yeah. Wow. Yeah, it was very interesting. Anyway, so documentary. I mean, there's so many things that I did not know. Like what? Well, the city college thing I had no idea about. Oh, yeah. I had no clue about that. I'll be honest. I didn't know about that either. I knew about that. I didn't know nine people died. I thought people just got hurt. I had no clue about the city college thing. That's wild. Why are we making a big deal over the Shine murder? Well, that's also bad. That's just one. Because Shine was awesome. That's wild. Yeah. Shine was awesome. Oh, you're talking about the shooting? Yeah. Shine took the fall for it. Yeah. That was also more directly Diddy's involvement than the city college thing, allegedly. I also don't know what is true and what's not. So I'm just going to throw a million allegedly's out. What's the allegation? So did you guys see how many allegedly's Netflix put out? Every time there was a statement about Diddy, it went to black screen. And then writing on the screen. Dude, beginning and end of every episode. Same thing. Throughout. Yeah. Yeah. I don't even know who you watched it. That's what every episode means. What do you think I meant when I said every episode? Yeah, both talking about two different things. Yeah. You're talking about how Netflix says, hey, we asked for a comment. And you're talking about at the end and the beginning of every episode, they said he got convicted. Oh, yeah. Yeah, you fucking dumb idiot. Okay. Oh, wow. Oh, this shit is, oh, yeah. Al, just relax, man. Al, this is too much. That's too much for your brain, Al. How do you even do it? Your brain can't do too many things at one time. Yo, your nail polish pressing that shit looks crazy, dude. It looks crazy. Yo, shit. Silly spin coming out of nail polish is wild. It's been coming from your dick region. Why is it? Come on. All right. Back to City College. Okay. It's fun, though. City College. What happened at City College? Give me the other one, Mark. Yeah. Give me the other one. There you go. Did you not watch any of the fucking episodes? No. No. What are your thoughts on it? Because you said that was the crazy one. No, I was trying to give clarity. No, I didn't think that was the craziest one. I'm trying to give clarity to listeners who might not have also watched on this section. Oh, okay. Sorry. This is a little disorganized here. Mark brought a toy. People still are. Yeah, I know. This is more important now. We're not sure how to do this podcast with this toy here. Audio listeners have no idea there's a toy in the room, and people who didn't watch the doc don't know what the fuck City College is about. Sorry, audio listeners. Nah, my bad. Mark really brought a fire toy, though. All right. So Diddy started as a party guy. He would promote parties, and then him and Heavy D, who was the biggest rapper, made maybe in the country at the time, definitely in New York, had a rapper, like a musician basketball game at City College in Harlem, and then they were filled up. They were at capacity. It was like $12 to get in, but so many people tried to bum-rush the doors, and they didn't realize the doors don't open out. You can't bum-rush the doors. Tragically, nine people died. Crowd-crushed, nine people died. And then I guess I- Diddy was like 19. I'm trying to understand why this is Diddy's fault, I guess for not hiring enough security? Yeah. And is, like, do you blame him for that? Yeah. Do you blame the people that are pushing into an event that they don't even have tickets for that crushed the other human beings right in front of them? I think they also said he overbooked. That was the allegation. He sold more tickets than he should have. That's what the allegation was. Well, if you can prove that- Concert overbooked by more than 2,000. Oh, if that, then that's definitely- Only $500 spent on crowd control. Yeah. Also, this is the first time- I think they say, like, this is the first time you see him get away with some shit and just kind of deflect on the narrative and be like, I'm a positive black man trying to do positive things, and they're trying to bring me down, which is kind of- That's kind of his go-to narrative. Anytime he got in trouble. I mean, he was doing positive things for the neighborhood. Yeah, but he would hide behind that. He'd use that as a shield, like, what's his name? Like, Pablo Escobar did charity. He still was a drug kingpin killing a lot of people. But at this time, he didn't do anything negative just yet. No, but this is the first time- I think they look at that as like, oh, that's when he realized, oh, I can get away with some shit. Yeah, yeah. I mean, at the end of the first episode, there's a great thing about, like, his envy of Tupac. Yeah. And I forget exactly which character is saying it, but he's basically saying, he's like, here's the thing with Diddy. It's like, Diddy is a marketer, which at its core is a manipulator. And he has a resentment for talented people, because people like them without manipulation. And this idea that, like, Diddy really treated everybody that was around him as his, like, wife. And to have that relationship with Biggie, where he's envious of Tupac, because Biggie and Tupac are connecting, obviously, they're going to connect more. They're both artists. They're both great at rapping. This is the thing that they've dedicated their lives to. Like, why would Biggie look up to Diddy over Tupac? It makes no fucking sense, right? Yeah, yeah. So, but him being so envious and so protective, and maybe looking at this massive investment that he just made, potentially leaving him for somebody he respects more. And he was trying to sign Pac, and Pac was not with it. Oh, yeah, obviously. And Tupac was also putting Biggie on game in terms of the music business, how it operates, and he should restructure. So, that also was another piece of the puzzle that, like, got Diddy upset. Is that episode two? Yeah, I'm not even lying. Episode two, they really make it seem like Diddy's the reason both of them died. Really? Yeah. And again, documentaries, they have their slant. You can edit. But, like, they make that shit seem fairly strong. I will say this. I don't think, I don't know, I don't think Diddy was involved in Tupac's death. I think it was a little bit more simple. It's like, Tupac's not. Let me just get it out. Yeah. Tupac fights a high-ranking crip. High-ranking crip sends some guys to go kill Tupac. So, what they say is that guy was a Southside crip who was affiliated with Diddy. Diddy got cool with the Southside crips with somebody high up. Yeah. And then that guy had robbed one of Pac's people, I think, right? And then Pac's boy that got robbed is like, yo, that's the motherfucker that robbed me. Right. So, Pac just goes and gets his get-back, but they're like, oh, this is the opportunity. And then we can use this. And what's fucked up, man, is. And weeks before that, so, Keefie D allegedly says that he had a conversation with Diddy. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And there was either a $2 million. $1 million. A million-dollar bounty on Pac and Shook. Diddy said, I'll pay a million dollars if you kill Pac and Shook. So, if you know that hit is on the street already, and now he just started a fight with your guy, it's like, oh, this is perfect. We can get our get-back and get paid. Imagine if there wasn't the opportunity. If there wasn't the incentive of making money, maybe they might not have taken it to that far. I hear what you're saying. It's a brutal scene, man. They say it. They shot him, then they just pulled off, watched the ambulance pull up, and it was just like a fucking brutal scene, man. It was brutal. Like, it's just heartless. And then, apparently, they stood there the whole time. Yeah, they just watched it. Keefie D says, allegedly, like, after the shooting, he was like, yeah, we just stood and watched the ambulance take him out. Well, ambulance, but yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they were just standing on the corner. But I do believe. So, you think Diddy was involved? Yes. You think he was involved in Biggie's death, too? Well, man, Biggie's death is more so ego. He's, like, wanting to show that, hey, we're not scared. So, Biggie was supposed to fly out to London to shoot some shit, and he was like, no, no. They were going to do European press. The first time a bad boy artist was doing European press. Biggie was hype. Biggie didn't want to be in Cali, but Diddy was so upset by Hit Em Up, so upset by Suge taking shots at him, he was like, no, we're going to go there. I'm going to make you do press. And then the day Biggie's supposed to fly out, Biggie wants the fuck out of Cali. He's like, this isn't safe for me. Everybody's told me I shouldn't be here. Yeah. Diddy tells the guy that says number two that he eventually squeezes out of the company, his childhood friend. He goes, yo, Biggie's not going to L.A. or to London. He's going to this party with me. He's staying in L.A. another day. Diddy thought it was important to say fuck you to them and throw a party in L.A. Fuck you to death row. We're going to throw a party in enemy territory. And that's the party where Biggie gets got. So, not like he ordered the hit, but because he just wanted to show that he wasn't afraid to be in the West Coast. He wasn't pussy. Yeah. That's what got Biggie murdered. And then retaliation, obviously. For the pox shit. Yeah. Yeah. Why retaliation for the pox shit? Well, people kill Biggie for it. a retaliation for Puck because they thought Biggie and Puff were behind us. Got it. Got it. And Puck thought Biggie and Puff were behind the first shooting. Especially Puff. Yeah. The first time he got shot. That's where the whole riff started. Yeah. Do you remember when they died? Yeah. Yes. That's crazy. Could you put it on a scale? Like, is it the, like, obviously rap is different now, but, like, I'm trying to wrap my head around the moment. Is it the equivalent of, like, the biggest rappers in America now getting killed? Abraham Lincoln getting shot. That's the only thing I would compare it to. Drake Kendrick, the amount of highlight that was on that, it was. But tragedy. But, like, tragedy. I would say. And anger. I would say way more. No, I don't think. Like. No, Drake Kendrick is different. Drake Kendrick was, like, excitement around it. There were people like, oh, we got a beef, here we go. This was shock. Yeah. This was, like, sadness. This was, like, you couldn't believe it. Like, I remember we were. I was in middle school, so you must have been really young. Yeah. Yeah. You were probably in, like, third grade or something like that. But I still remember, yeah. But it was just, like. Yeah, you just couldn't believe that this was real. Also, at the end of the day, we're, like, kids and, like, we're, like, derivative from the street, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, we're in New York and we see things happen, but it's not real. Nothing really is gonna come of it, right? These guys are on MTV with Carson Daly who got painted nails. Yeah. Like, it's not real. Two box-in fucking movies that we would go watch. It's not real. Yeah. And then it got very real. We'd be playing around, like, and be like, oh, West Coast, East Coast. Oh, yeah. Like, us fighting with one another type of shit. Like, yeah, it was a joke to us. Right. It was wrestling. Yeah. It was wrestling. And it was cool to have, like, you had, like, an identity in it as a kid. It's crazy how, like, people get wrapped up in the cult. Yeah. Like, just because we're from New York, we're like, man, fuck Tupac. Yeah. He rhymes Hennessy with Enemy every song. Like, we're just finding these reasons not to like Tupac, but, like, I like Tupac. I thought the music was great. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, yeah, it was a, it was a very, it was a weird time, man. And again, edits are edits, but they really put this shit on Biggie, I mean, on Diddy. Like, Diddy was the guy, was the catalyst for this whole thing and poured a lot of gas on everything. And Mayer, man, allegedly put a hit out on Pac and Suge. And then he only paid $500,000 because he was like, well, you only killed Pac. That's far. I mean, it's tragic, obviously, but, like, this guy's such a lunatic that he would do something like that. Like, what I thought was crazy about it was the, um, I never knew that he, I knew he was from Mount Vernon, but I never knew that, like, his dad was a hustler. Yeah. So, I never knew that. He's proud of that shit. Yeah. You know, but it's kind of, and who got, like, killed. But the way that they frame it, that he was trying to be this hustler, because I've spoken to other people who remain nameless whenever they've talked about him, they've always, they've always said this about Diddy, like, he's always kept, like, one foot in the streets. And I go, what do you mean by that? Like, what are you talking about? He's like, yeah, like, he's always, he's still connected with the street shit. And I'm like, I thought this guy's from, like, Mount Vernon. Like, I never connected him with streets at all. Right? And, um, but seeing that that was the aspiration and, like, seeing everything as a function of power, like, him trying to fuck the hottest rapper's girl, it's not even because he likes the girl. No. It's just, it's this, this, this expression of power. I fuck the hottest rapper's girl. Yeah. I'm that powerful. And I think that's why he was doing the gay shit. Like, sex just became a function of power. Yeah. So it's like, what is more powerful than just fucking a dude? Yeah. Yeah. That's true. I don't even know if that sentence makes sense. No, no, no. What is a, what is a greater expression, what is a greater expression of how powerful you are? A straight guy, right, is willing to fuck you Yeah. simply because what you have, spit on your back. Well, also, a lot of times, what one guy was saying in the last episode is like, he'll drug you without you even realizing it. Right. And you'll just wake up and be like, what's going on? I'm sore. What the fuck happened? And it's just like, I think there's also, you hear this with sexual assault rap type shit, there's power dynamics involved in that. I would say that too if I was a guy who got fucked by dude. I would say I got drugged too. Guys, so much. See you there. Propel Fitness Water with Gatorade electrolytes, zero sugar, and vitamins. What propels you? Finding a doctor is hard enough. Finding the right doctor, even harder. Someone who takes your insurance, has an available appointment when you need one, and feels like someone you can actually open up to. That's where ZocDoc comes in. 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You couldn't even speak into a microphone and record it with a beat without a studio. So having, they had so much power, so much access to people's dreams. And I think that Diddy's like lust for power is the reason why he didn't try to be a, he eventually was an artist a little bit. But initially, remember they show him dancing and he was trying to be a dancer and he was in the music videos and then he pivots. He makes this hard pivot to be like Andre Harrell's side guy, like his right hand man. And to me, what that says is, is Diddy has this like undying power thirst for power. And he goes, ooh, the power's actually there. It's not in the artists. These artists don't have control when they put an album, when they get studio time, what time songs they get, when they go on tour. It's that guy over there that tells them what to do and they're all kissing that motherfucker's ass. Fuck dancing to videos. I want to be that guy. But this is where the power never stops when it's insatiable. Then it seems like he gets jealous of the artists. Now I want to be the A&R guy. I want to have all, and I want to be the biggest artist. And I have all these people right around me. And I'm going to make sure my artists never get bigger than me on my songs. Dog, there was a thing, I think this was after Biggie died, you know Puffy's saying this to my brothers, my best friend. He tells the number two at his company, Biggie's supposed to get a Rolling Stone cover. He says, nah, fuck that. I need to promote the No Way Out album. So I'm getting Rolling Stone. Make sure they put me on the cover. Box Biggie out after his death of a Rolling Stone cover and then he took it. That's fucked up. And that made Biggie pay for the funeral. Yeah, the funeral shit is, I heard that one. That's fucked up. Dog, he would charge you for, he would take money out of your deal for recording time in his studio. So he would just find a way to never pay anybody. That's what they all do though. But he would appear in the music video and then pay himself a talent fee for being in the video? So here's something to that. Here's something to that. There's that line that's like, that happened, I think it was at the Source Awards or something like that. I don't know if it was. Shug, Shug. Yeah, come to death row. Come to death row if you don't want your producer all up in the video, et cetera. But Diddy was bigger than his artists. You want him in the video. Not at that point. He wasn't bigger than Biggie in 95. Yeah. He wasn't. He wasn't bigger than Craig Mack, Flavor in Your Ear. You think? It's hard to think, but try to go back. If Diddy wasn't next to Biggie, Biggie would have still been that guy. He had so much swag to him. Biggie might have, Puffy might have marketed Biggie better. Yeah. But seeing Puffy in the video didn't mean shit. Yeah. Let me clarify. At a certain point in time, like when Puffy first, breaks off and does Bad Boy, nobody knows who Biggie is. Puffy puts Biggie on. Right? Yeah. So like, he is effectively a much more powerful person in the industry and much more known person in the industry. So him co-signing Biggie is massive for Biggie. So being all up in the video, I don't know about that. One point. Hold on. How can anybody know who Biggie is? He got fired from Uptown Records at that point. Yeah. And Andre Harrell said, I'll let you keep Biggie. Yeah. Which is a massive gift. But he got fired from, he was the king, he was, Andre Harrell's a kingmaker. He's the number two. Then he gets fired and he got one artist. So I don't think he's got heat like that. No, no, no, no, no. He had the parties. This is where I think a lot of people don't realize. Like, Andre Harrell, like, was selling lifestyle. That was what Uptown was doing. And then Diddy did that better than anybody. Right? And it was, Diddy presents this. So he owned the culture. And owning the culture is how you can break artists. It's how you can control. It's another, it's another power flex. Like, I can't get, if you piss off Diddy, you're not going to be able to go to his parties. And that's where everybody goes, et cetera. Yeah. So like, when he broke off from Uptown, what he didn't have is the funding of Uptown. But what he still had is the culture and the cachet. And then when he connects with, who is it, Clive Davis? Clive Davis. So he connects with Clive Davis. Now all of a sudden he has the money. So he already has the culture. He has the parties. He has the places people want to be. He has the places to break the records to the people who are going to listen to them. Why does he need Andre? And clearly he doesn't because he takes Biggie and they go fucking crazy. Yeah. He got, he got Clive after Andre firing him. But yeah, I see your point. I still think. know that's what i said to most record buying audience which is kids in suburbs like me biggie was a guy you knew of i didn't know who the fuck puff daddy was until i don't even think they were the ones buying the records initially i think suburban lights buying records later comes later i think it's when it's like completely mtvified when the eom tv raps like really kind of takes over i think initially i don't think like i don't think hip-hop was that big i think nwa makes it fucking explode it's like loud it's rebellious but like before that kind of niche it was this like new like weird type of music that like white people were like that's fair but this is six seven years after nwa so rap is out there maybe not gangster rap but rap is a thing no no of course of course rap is a thing there's no question but it's not what we know it as now but did he have to charge to pay to be in his own artist video i guess that's the thing where it's like i don't think you should but what all these fucking i mean how these labels make money is they do this kind of like don king type shit where like you get charged for like a million dollars and then you for every single fucking towel i think the thing also is and you just see this this is where the editing is like okay it could be edited but the recurring themes of a lot of this yeah everybody's like i didn't get the money from diddy yeah i was supposed to have 25 of bad boy he shows up with a bat and says hey man i need you to sign this over i'll give it back to you i just need to do this deal never gives it back that guy that producer i'll pay 250 000 and then they play voicemails of him being like yo man i'm gonna get it to you i just got to handle this thing hey man some shit came up hey man and then when the guy gets mad he's like i don't like your energy dude why are you acting like this i mean yeah the tricky yeah the tricky thing is that like once you know you can fuck people over and you're like a maniacal sociopath like him that's just power hungry you just go all right i just won't pay you and i think that's the point they try to make with city college whether it's true or not is this is when the sociopath realizes i can get away with anything nine people died and i come out looking good yeah oh it gets more famous yeah more famous i'm gonna die now yeah now i can do whatever i want that's the thing that i think this person really doesn't understand and i think it's like i don't think they really understand how important the gatekeepers were to the music industry yeah and even after he left uptown he was he was massively powerful yeah massively powerful yeah because think of the artists that he broke like he breaks marriage at blotch right like he breaks jodeci jodeci yeah so all these other people what's that 112 mace but did those come with bad boy i think they're later right yeah but it's still him breaking but of course this is like uptown he's still the guy when he's uptown just because he's not attached to uptown doesn't mean he's not massively powerful right because at that moment the only two ways and they say in the documentary the only two ways you can make like legacy money in hip-hop is through russell simmons or andre harrell think about that level of power yeah what if the only way to get on tv was between two channels yeah yeah think about how much power those two people were getting to that point by the way yeah yeah exactly oh yeah but we're just getting back to what it used to be because mtv and bt was that was it yeah if you wanted to see music you had to turn on one of those two channels you're all 100 right there was no youtube it was nothing and we would flip back and forth from uh what is it uh trl and 106 and part yeah and we watched 30 seconds of a music video hit me baby one more time and to make it fit the half hour segment whatever it was we couldn't even watch the whole music but wow and we were complaining then about attention spans being too short there's there's there's this guy named like uh douglas adams he wrote the hitchhiker's guide i forget oh yeah anyway he there was something in it that he said uh like the different stages of life i'm gonna fuck this up maybe you can bring this up but but um because i was doing just some kind of like reflection like what's happening culture and i'm like what the hell is going on it was so normal back in the day and things are so extreme and crazy right now and he had said that the life cycle it's like when you're young you're you're you're not really paying attention to things around you you get into like your 20s and early 30s and you're like this is how things should be this is perfect there's all the opportunity then you get in your 40s and you go things were so much better back in the day these things are so crazy right now and because you were a part of the change yes yeah exactly now ours is maybe the most drastic in history because we live pre-internet and post-internet yeah pre-ai post-ai it's yes it's insane like especially our age because old people live pre-internet and with internet but they don't really use the internet yeah they just have like bigger fonts on their phones right like that's it that's an old people's change yeah but we actually use it and we'll actually kind of use ai we'll admit but like our generation is yeah it was fun it's like stone age right it's crazy what we and kind yes things are crazy on the internet and yes we see all this kind of wild stuff and conspiracy everything we're handling it pretty fucking well all things considered all things considered how in important caveat but yeah you can make a video online with all of us having an orgy with each other come on that is indistinguishable from your regular life no but like think about that like don't put me in i know we're just brilliant idiots for like an hour and a half but but yeah i don't know i'm handling it okay and it's too easy to do that now one of the fans is gonna actually make the orgy video run it run it top me top me on my back um i saw an article that watching fucked up videos online can actually give you ptsd hold on one second i've come with a set of rules described by reaction sick technology anything is the world when you were born is normal and ordinary and it's just natural natural part of the way the world works anything that is invented between when you're 15 and 35 is new and exciting and revolutionary and you can probably get a career in it anything invented after 35 is against the natural order of things i mean tell me that isn't that's brilliant yeah brilliant i'm shocked that you let him get through that whole quote without calling him gay or something that was like really respectful well you'd be calling douglas you know it's what douglas said i ain't gonna put that on big doug you put work yeah no i'm getting to that point i can feel it i'll listen to a new song i'm like this sucks yeah like it's just getting closer every year dude i said it's making you 19 like are you 30 yet how old are you almost almost you're not even 30 i'll be 30 in a few months you're 29 years old 29 bro damn right side of 20 you ain't aging good i'm sorry but you're not i think i'm gonna look like this for a while i think i'm pickled 29 and you're wearing a beanie inside what does that mean the alice i get uh you fuck everybody you know it looks like tim can't swim in a pool let's go nobody knows you know what tim pool is when you gotta explain it you just got so defensive a joke was coming at you you don't give that to him you know who tim pool is i do know who tim pool is okay there we go but you have to explain it i did have to explain which sucks i did have to i agree with you on that a lot of words but it was a lot of words it was a lot of words so many words so many words can we get back to diddy dude yeah oh yeah what was there anything that surprised you guys in the i thought it was gonna be more gay stuff talk to me there was very little gay stuff yeah because you don't really know diddy i know nothing yeah and everyone's like dude diddy's diddy's epstein and i was like dude this is gonna be fucking crazy and then they were like well you're like you know probably kill some people and beat some women and i was like yeah all right but this is the thing no guy wants to talk about getting buttfucked so it's one guy that's why nobody wants to come up he's like yo i gotta admit this embarrassing shit and so people gonna call me a liar like that sucks yeah but multiple people admitted to it his co-founder he says he got molested he got tried or did he get actually not but he says throughout his time there he got uh remember when i itched my butt during brilliant idiots i like did a deep scratch on my butt okay before we started before we started recording flagrant i went to the bathroom because i was like i gotta check on something and i sat down without pooping and i wiped and there was a full i think i might have forgot to wipe before we did brilliant idiot so i did a whole pod with a full shit on my ass after shit okay that's how i know that guy wanted to get buff okay no you can't because that's what guy's butts look like that's what guy's butts look like and did he's not sticking his dick in that doo-doo oh that's yours you have clean asses did he might like a little dirty ass yeah he got off on some weird shit yo can i make a point though this is an interesting thing this is where black people using the little uh washcloth okay in the shower hurts you no because it's always a clean ass to fucking oh you guys always got a clean ass to fucking you knew when you went to a diddy party if he chose a black guy he's like yeah you don't think about the downsides of hygiene yeah you don't think about it with a with a white guy you know i'm only washing to my abdomen you don't know what's below you don't know what's below so if you're gonna try to take this ass good luck which race is the cleanest ass you think probably black oh without a doubt because i don't even know if they shit really i think it might be different also america y'all don't use the bidet like that al does but it's not a general bidet thing yeah y'all are washcloth culture so i can see you guys but bidet culture cleanest ass yeah so probably asian middle eastern because they got infrastructure for bidets they all got bidets yeah they wash all the time no No, no. They wash before they pray and shit. They don't wash with soap. They just rinse. It's better than you. You don't do shit. I don't know if it's better. They wash their feet. They wash their hands. When it's raining outside, did I wash? Oh, it's raining out. Oh, I guess I'm clean. I've counted that before. No, if you don't use soap, you didn't wash. Smell your finger. Smell your finger right now. Oh, God, I know that. It was a different finger and it was still disgusting. No, that was what he was digging with. I was digging. I was digging with that one. Oh, God, dude. It makes me dry, dude, bro. Stop being nasty. Yo, why is that nasty? This is going to be in the doc, bro. Why is that nasty? This is going to be in the doc. Why is that nasty? I keep my nails low, so I don't care. You have a pink mouth. Say again? He's invented an illness, bro. That was good. I think that was good. He's less orange, dude. He's less orange. He's less orange. The bar is so low for him. He just connected two things. He's like, yeah, I'm good. I was fired. I was fired. I made a sentence. I was fired. I made a whole sentence. I made a sentence. He's in. That was good. You liked it a lot, dude. And then the Cassie shit was crazy. Cassie shit. I didn't realize all that. You didn't know that that happened with Cassie? No. Also, I thought, did he allegedly, but this is going to sound bad. Was he involved in Kim Porter's death? Untimely demise? That's what a lot of people think. Yeah, they didn't cover it here. And yeah, I don't know about that. It was more balanced than I thought it would be with the Cassie stuff. They say he groomed her and all that, but then they'll say like what? They'll show like emails of Cassie sending things that could be interpreted as like it was consensual or she was into it or whatever. And a lot of people say like she tried to leave and got the shit kicked out of her once. Yeah, the physical violence is disgusting. Back to the show. Propel hydrates better than water. To help you get the most out of your workout and get back to your best self. What propels you? Read real patient reviews, find the right fit for you, and book instantly. ZocDoc. Ready to be seen? MyLowe's Pro Rewards members save more with member volume discounts on eligible orders through a quote of $2,000 or more. Not a member? Join for free today. Can't be combined with any other discount. Including but not limited to contract and or special pricing. Loyalty program. Subject to terms and conditions. Subject to change. The stud, the bull that they brought through. Yeah. That was doing all the freakiness with Cassie. He was like, yeah, at one point. The Punisher? Yeah, I don't know if it was him. I think it was a different guy. He was like, yeah, after every session, they collected my nut. Yeah. And they collected it in a cup. And then he was like, this went on for months at a time. And so one day I was like, why are you guys collecting my nut? And he was like, oh, I just like to see her play with it. And I was like, what's wrong with that? Diddy goes, what's wrong with that? He said that? Yeah. And he was like, after that, they never asked again. But I was like, bro, they've been collecting your nut for four months? And he just makes her play with it on a random day? Like a yo-yo. You know how big a freak Diddy is? That's the one guy who got paid. Everybody else, he wouldn't pay. Oh, wow. But he needed that get back, dude. I need you to come back. I need your comeback. Literally. Bro, but collecting it in a cup is just hilarious to me. He's bringing this guy in. He's like, all right, but you got a nut in the receptacle. And then we're going to use it for later. And he was saving it. They'd put it in the fridge and mark it and put the date on it. No, they wouldn't. I mean, I presume. He couldn't have helped you out with it. My life last year. I mean, you don't want to get it mixed up. You probably got other samples in there. Oh, my god. He's like, yeah, if we want to play with the right one. Yeah. I mean, what do we do? If we can find out that you have a genetic disposition to this behavior, what do we do with them? I don't think this is nature as much as nurture. I think this develops over time. Like you said, the power thing. I think you're born with it. Yeah, I think it's nature. Who do you learn this shit from? Yeah, I think it's. Well, I believe what he was saying earlier, which is like a power thing. Like, I'm just controlling this whole situation. But I think you're born with that. Like sociopathic. Yeah, you have a sociopathy. And maybe there obviously are like nurturing elements. Yeah, yeah. To like push you towards that. But like, you have to on some level just not have any. Care for the people around you. Yeah. And just this insatiable desire to, you know, it's not even be loved or appreciated. He likes being Diddy, the figure. But it's more like the power that being loved and appreciated gives him. Because if it was just be loved and appreciated, he would just be an artist. They get loved and appreciated and a story. Nah, he needs to tell motherfuckers what to do. He gets off on that shit. That infamous phone call. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which I think that was. I'm a savage. That was built up, I think. After rewatching it, it was like, yeah, I don't even think there was anyone on the phone. No. You know how I know there was? Because he slams it. He screams, I'm a savage, whatever. And he notices the phone is off of the thing. And he corrects it. He's like, oh, I hope they didn't hear that. Like, there's a moment where he's a little concerned. Talk soon. Yeah. But yeah, I don't know. Like, this just feels like a little performative to me. But I don't know. But it was because this was being shot for making of the band. So he probably. He probably was turning it up a little bit. Oh, yeah. And also, I think this is when he was, like, using drugs. He started using drugs heavily in, like, what, 2011 or 7 or something like that? I see. I think he was always using drugs, to be honest with you. His boy said he wouldn't even drink before. And then at some point, he just went all the way with it. Hmm. Maybe. I have a hard time believing that a guy that aspires to be a gangster does not consume alcohol or marijuana. I have a hard time. Really? Yeah. Really? I think the. Opposite. Yeah, I think so, too. No, he's a control freak. He loves control. Yeah. And alcohol and drugs take you out of control. Exactly. So he's, like, constantly in control until he's realizing how fun Molly is. And then he's like, oh, I'll try a little bit. Yeah. And then gets on a wave. I can see that. That was like, he would work for, like, 14 days straight. And his whole thing on all his IG lives that they're playing is how hard he works, how nonstop he goes. I'm doing X, Y, Z. You're doing some kind of upwards to keep that pace up. Yeah. And ride that wave, you would call it. And, like, and not to compare them, the two of them, but it's like, Trump likes, also likes to be, like, in control. And he's a no alcohol, no drug guy also. That's very interesting. And he also doesn't pay people when he does work for them. You gotta worry about these sober motherfuckers. Oh, yeah. If somebody's sober, I don't trust you. I'd do shrimps. Yeah. If you only, man, you need something, something. Like, something, something, yeah. If you sober, sober, I don't trust you. Oh, man. You gotta drink or something. I don't know. Do you look at everybody who's with Diddy in a video, like, some rapper that's famous, I'm not even gonna name names, but they're next to Diddy, and it's like, you gotta know something. So, I thought about this, because, like, you know, there's one way of looking at this and going, why are all the people that are in this documentary that they're doing 30 years later, why are you guys speaking up now? Where were you for the last 30 years? I don't think we can make these people heroes in the documentary. It's like the women that, like, were sexually abused, assaulted, like, you know, they're terrified, they're trying to, you know, speak up, and nobody wants to take their case. He's a powerful guy. Yeah, it's very different. But, like, none of these people speaking up now are heroes, but they did, they did the right thing in that, like, if the things that they're saying are true, even if it's 30 years later, saying what happened is the right thing to do. Yeah. It doesn't make you a hero, but it's better than not saying a thing at all. It's still brave. And it's still brave, because there's motherfuckers that don't want to see Diddy go. Yeah, he also destroys you. He takes everything. He takes your credibility. You can't get a job. He's the kind of guy who fucking ruins you. Also, he allegedly kills people. Yeah. So it's like, I'm in this industry. He knows where I live. I'm not going to say shit. He's getting away with all this stuff. So it is, I completely understand why you're not saying anything. Male, female, whatever. It doesn't matter. I completely get why you're not saying anything. I'm actually asking famous rappers who are with Diddy, and there's, we've, everybody, I think I heard whispers. We all see some crazy shit, and it's like, oh, you're still with Diddy. You're still next to him. Do I, do I look at you? What's the empathetic way of looking at that guy? Because there's a part of me that's judgmental, but it's easy to judge from here, from the couch. But the part of me that's judgmental is like, you had to know something. You're right there. So what I would ask you is, how bad is Diddy compared to the dudes that they grew up with that might be involved in criminal shit? I would think worse. Because the lines he's pushing are like, yo, this is crazy. Maybe, depending on how you grew up. But like, if you grew up in the hood. And like, you're, you know, you're affiliated with the gang. And like, you know. Diddy's like, I'm going to blow some guy's car. And you go, well, yeah, that tracks. He's a gangster. And I grew up around gangsters, and they would. Kill people, and, you know, sell drugs, and shoot at the cops. And also, I don't think Diddy went around saying, hey, I just beat up Cassie, and did this, and did that, or whatever. It's all rumor shit. Like, we all heard the rumors about the shit, but just being out at a fucking brunch party with Diddy doesn't necessarily mean you're going to see all the shit that he's up to. Maybe you're right. I just, I think, well, from my understanding, some of the shit was. It was public. He was like, he hit his first wife, just fucking punched her in the face in public, or whatever. Yeah. Out on the street. And maybe you're right, that these guys have seen that shit. That was in public, like he was in. indicted for it that's a buddy of him who was with him who's talking on the docks saying that that thing happened and i look i'm not convinced of my position but i'm gonna push back uh to the shine thing there's like so many things that you're like yo this guy there's some weird shit going on with this guy yeah but with shine there was enough like uh bloodiness yeah plausible deniability where it's like hey maybe it could have been shine they both had their guns out they both shot the guns so it's like we really don't know who really shot him that's the other thing is this is it's very possible shine did do it yeah so but but again the point is that like at this time in hip-hop now it's different it's all theater kids but at this point in time in hip-hop like if the dudes rapping weren't real their crew was real yes and the money backing a lot of these hip-hop labels was drug money so it's like who if you if you were to get signed to someone in new york how are you not going to be affiliated name the label that's not affiliated like just name it i'm telling you you know like it went back and forth jay got any money in there what is it bigs put the money up for for rock right and that's drug money so you're connected with drug money and nefarious actors no matter how you do it maybe def jam towards the end had gotten really cleaned up but like what was a murder inc you know they had tough guys there like even with def jam they were just the label that's signed but they know all the artists was up to fuck shit hell yeah yeah they were just the label that's signed but they know all the artists was up to fuck shit hell yeah yeah they were aware of shit that's fair i just want to have the conversation because it does it didn't cross my mind i didn't have a hard position but i was like i just think when you see foul shit with regularity you become numb to it you know and in retrospect you look back and you're like oh my god that's a fucking evil ass dude yeah but also like just talking to 50 from you know what life was like in new york between the gangs at that time like he told me like some of these guys are like real life schizophrenic real killers like he would go meet with some of these dudes in jail because you know he does like life right stuff for all these shows and they would say shit like yo man i'm out in 20 days and he'd be like what he's like yeah man i can't wait man i'm out in 20 days and 50 would be like is he really getting out in 20 days like this guy's spending the rest of his life here and he'd be like oh these guys are completely crazy yeah and either they lost it before or all the shit they went through made them lose it yeah yeah or they're already yeah but like there's actually like the trauma i don't think goes away i don't think it goes away i don't think it goes away i mean like you kill people in the streets like that affects your brain and every day you're thinking that retaliation is coming you're paranoid and to your point that girl capricorn clark was like i grew up with a mom that was i forget how she was like diddy but she was a lot like diddy so i just knew how to navigate that and i'm gonna deal with that so that's why i could be his assistant so well so a lot of these guys probably like yeah i know how to deal with this trauma exactly and also let's take fabulous for example like fab would get money from doing ads for a sarok but diddy would confront him be like yo why are we not doing this we're not doing this have a party like what's up with you homie is like so he was keeping his distance but he also know how to play the game he's like hey i'm gonna get my check over here so it's like i think there was a lot of people navigating like that yeah but what did did he eventually actually go to prison for what do you remember what the actual charges violations of the man act they said this this is the thing that's the beginning and the end of the violations the man act and i think prostitution yeah i think that is the man act like hey man the last episode where was that guy from that juror because if he's indian that's a bad he's like he said they're asking the juror two jurors are willing to come forward and one of them has an accident i can't tell it might be indian but he's like yeah i don't know it just seemed like it was the him and cassie it was just a hot and cold relationship you know what i mean they just loved each other you know you're seeing these sex messages i don't know it's just so sure it's not consensual but then you know he's beating her up with that she said she loves him sometimes the internet has a hard time understanding unconventional relationships okay and they jump to conclusions about certain things okay diddy cassie other people maybe on this podcast you don't know anything did jury selection can you not compare sorry sorry exactly you're cassie yeah you are 100 cassie oh man i will say the hotel room you're getting dragged through is much more expensive than a fucking motel six or whatever she was getting ripped through that was crazy you got her at an intercontinental yeah come on dude you're gonna take her to a place where guys are also beating their wives so it doesn't seem that so it blends in with the sound exactly also i heard he would pay for the floor he's on above him and below you can't rent out the the three floors of the four seasons but you can do that you know damn yeah man when i'm watching that video every time i'm like take the stairs dude what are you doing taking the elevator yeah it's like a horror movie yeah leave the shoes you don't need your shoes run yeah and then he's just lurking in the towel yeah she's crazy let's get back to the show propel fitness water with gatorade electrolytes zero sugar and vitamins propel hydrates better than water to help you get the most out of your workout and get back to your best self what propels you propel with gatorade 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loyalty programs subject to terms and conditions details at lowes.com slash terms subject to change and he's out in a few months dude i thought about that that's the crazy shit i know so that's the power of the documentary right because what did he wants and he says it in the beginning of it he he's talking about losing the court of public opinion yeah and he says some stuff like you know we gotta you know get some propaganda going or whatever and what he's saying is actually not it's not wrong and he's smart he's going hey you guys are to his lawyers you guys are going to cnn talking shit about me but tiktok and social media is where the conversation is about me and we lost that yeah as he's talking about it and he's talking about it and he's talking he should lose that yeah right but and he's telling him is like you guys got to do something about this and i think that the beginning is interpreted like he's saying hey we gotta lie and trick and do these things which he probably is saying 100 but i think at that point in the case he thought he's getting off yeah and all of us thought he was doing 40 years think about when this case first started we thought he was locked up yeah 20 40 years the guy gets 50 months yeah he's gonna be out of jail in two and a half years yeah like he'll be on the streets soon he could watch this doc yeah while it's still trending think about that right yeah yeah like that's why allegedly allegedly but like but think about this so i think what he's what he's doing is going i still want to be diddy and i can't be diddy if the perception of me yeah is a certain way the doc is way more damaging than jail yep bingo jail he i honestly think i know it sounds crazy but if it was just the jail people that would go oh cassie was into it and yes you should never put your hands on one but she was down to do these parties and that kind of stuff like that this is bullshit and he might have a way to come back yeah i don't know if anybody can recover from this yeah he gotta go to bali with russell simmons yeah he gotta find a foreign country that he could just meditate at yeah because i don't know you can't walk the streets of new york anymore after this you know it's crazy i think he can flip it i think he's because they and they bring this up in the fourth episode by the end of the trial pr was largely on diddy's side they got real do you remember all this stuff like paying a lot of pr yeah he was paying people like 25 just to wear free diddy shirts outside the trial i saw what it looked like i drove by i saw them like that's crazy but he's still a billionaire he's not broke we don't this probably this is hurt these these trials cost so much money and also when you're in jail your money goes away yeah and like and bills don't stop but all his uh sirach got taken from him but but he won that lawsuit remember he won the uh they didn't say how much they settled for i thought it was like in the b's i thought it was no i don't think it was that crazy i would look it's what diageo or something like that yeah diageo yeah i don't think it was that crazy because imagine diageo has heavy pockets they could be like yo let's just go to trial but i thought you don't have it i would you can't last i would look that up but i i and this could be like internet bullshit but there was like a clause in the contract like if he was uh criminally indicted for anything that could waive uh whatever i i don't know or convicted not indicted yeah crazy thing about this doc and about all docs is like the it's all in the edit because imagine this yeah they use footage that he was going to use to make himself look good they use the same fucking footage to make him look like a fucking savage yeah and i'm like it's all in the fucking edit yeah what can you really believe when it comes to the docs at the same time yeah yeah i've learned this is nuts it's all in the end it's all in the end baby docs are terrifying thing and again maybe this netflix thing changes everything but even as this trial is going on he's getting so much fucking love in the streets stop over and over oh you're talking about in the dock like in the public when he's like riding his bike not the streets like harley yeah but this is before yeah this was earlier yeah this is before he was guilty because like it was just the cassie tape we didn't know anything from trial yet say that sentence again i understand but if you didn't see the cassie tape who did you just still love diddy who didn't there are some people that didn't apparently 12 jurors also diddy is so famous no this is what they did though smart is not about the you he can't he's not on trial for abuse sure he abused her but that's what they did yeah but i'm pretty sure that was one of the questions have you seen that tape no the girl the juror says the tape was damning the tape let me know he wasn't a good guy but that's not what he was on trial use it it's in his inadmissible evidence as she said i saw it and i know what kind of guy he is from that but that's not what he's on trial for no so you can't use it to go and he's so famous that i just think in general people melt in the face of that type of fame yeah like i feel like diddy could walk around on the streets and there'd be a handful of people to be like yo can i grab a pic yeah like just just because you're around a famous person you're like immediately you forget everything you're like i'm i'm in front of pete diddy this is crazy and i think people would go up to him and try and all he was guilty for is some orgies like yeah prostitution like look at that and be like it's not that bad this is this is just character assassination to a t yeah documentaries should be are more dangerous than weapons like i did say that like that shit is dangerous bro that is like whoo yeah yeah i think i'd rather my enemy have a gun than a document right because like you can't it's hard to shoot someone in public you can make me think whatever you want me to think but also if you shoot me you go to jail if you make a documentary about me you make money yeah you get an award yeah yeah what yeah imagine someone gave you a golden globe for shooting you in the head that's what documentaries are this guy's life is done how diabolical is 50 cent bro enters a field of entertainment that he has no expertise in at all becomes a phenomenal story storyteller curator of worlds incredibly successful maybe all just to build up the cachet to make a documentary about one of his arch nemeses yes and destroy his life while profiting off of it 50 is patient god's work yeah god's work on this one 50 is patient bro yeah just don't cross it yo if i'm jay-z i'm shaking in my motherfucking galoshes or whatever okay i know you don't want to hear this but if i am jay-z i am terrified let me tell you the difference between jay-z and 50 the elevator footage is very different with jay-z jay-z got elevator footage is with the polar opposite of diddy's elevator how much you think he paid uh beyonce's sister to hit him and him not hit her back that might have been the greatest move in the history of the world now we see this poised composed man that would never put his hands on a woman ever that was genius if that was pr that's genius that wasn't pr he gets some licks off they know that the cheating side i will say you know did he pay like 10 million or whatever to get that tape if i was jay-z i'd be like i paid 10 million to leak that it is funny seeing all the like daytime tv people the thing that they took an issue with in the doc that's so funny like i've seen like three clips already and they're like yeah i watched this diddy documentary and he saw a guy took on his jacket and then tried to get hand sanitizer this guy's a demon oh i was like that's the part that you thought was bad no sure they brought that like he was in harlem shaking hands and hugging people and he gets in the car and he goes i gotta take a shower and i gotta take a shower boiling water and i think the feeling is is like this is a community you really say you're part of yeah and you don't even want to touch them and it's like i thought that part was unfair editing because he might have just done that all the time and he might have been like man i don't these people are hugging me i don't know you he might just do that with everybody but they only did said that way after he was in harlem and then the whole point and that could be true but i didn't think the edit that was a very strategically timed he'd been at burning man every single year ain't no showers and every time you meet someone you've got a hug actually he would always have the most extravagant camp that probably had showers yeah sure but you're hugging every single person that you meet that's customary probably showers after yeah but he wasn't that's a dick yeah he wasn't the people he met in harlem no that's what i mean like you know he's out so you're gonna save cum but you can't hug an auntie in harlem this guy got some weird hypochondria man i don't know what bro diddy's different man anyway well he's gonna be on the streets in two and a half years he'll be at burning man soon son if he's good behavior you might be out in a year dude what's the first podcast appearance for diddy who's bringing him on oh fuck who's bringing him on i mean doesn't even say that because you want him here i'm not hey i'm not saying that i'm just asking you who's gonna bring him on call her diddy who do you think brings him? that's a good question i think he does his own thing i think he does it because what is revolt like isn't that his yeah but does he have to step down from it or what yeah i guess but he had to step down but still like there's there's an interview out there someone's gonna want yeah he's gonna do his own thing he kind of like people that uh they don't care what people think of him like act i can see sitting down with diddy act would actually do a great job and also just act interviewing him about the gay shit would just be you cannot miss you cannot miss that stream would have 100 million views just and we'd be just waiting we'd be getting edged right until he gets to the gay talk and the whole feed is gonna be you'll ask him about butt fucking ask him about butt fucking and just have an act say the sentence no i think diddy's gonna lean in he's gonna pull a like kevin spacey vibes you know when kevin spacey does the uh plays the character oh yeah frank uh it was his name frank something yeah i don't know if he's gonna do it he's gonna do it he's gonna do it he's gonna do it underwood yeah yeah and just does like the most ominous video you've ever seen yeah that was crazy this is the greatest toy this is awesome no this is so like this is a modern marvel this is what you get when you join ice yo shout out to new york police what happened they arrested ice this is how you get one going back no he reversed that h1 visa shit he reversed that h1 visa oh yeah we're gonna keep him yeah i think so shout out the indians man y'all made it yeah yo can i take a shit uh can i take a shit i'm about to shit my pants can we take a break because i'm about to shit my pants all right akash taking a little dump skis all right so what are his options right when he comes out he could convert to islam that's one that seems to be what a lot of people get canceled have been doing recently convert to islam so he can convert to islam he could ask he could convert to maga and ask for the pardon from trump i don't know if trump pardons him though yeah they used to be boys though did they i'm pretty sure like back in the day on some tv shit yeah man interesting all right so then what are the cow she give us the cow she odds for uh a trump pardon all right trump pardon himself is pretty high that's pretty high oh shit sam bankman freed baron what did baron do no i need the comb so that's 19 but it's going down since the documentary oof wow so that's another thing like if if the doc makes him so radioactive he can't get a pardon because it looks so bad on the person that's in power yeah and he's only got one crazy pardon to go you know what i mean it's either diddy or galane yeah you gotta you gotta go galane on that one really think he only has one pardon to go i mean in terms of crazy pr where's the political capital in giving a diddy part like i think that should be zero guys he's been pardoning motherfuckers you don't even know who they are they ask him about that the asian dude the crypto guy he's like i don't know who that is oh the binance yeah yeah like that's crazy that is wild that's a little wild you you can't pardon someone you don't know who they are unless you're biden why did he pardon santos the oh santa's a good time because he just let him out santos was a good time he just seems like yo that's got there's got to be like oh he's gonna snitch like i i this is what i imagine the pardons are it's either like a favor from someone close to you before you get out of there somebody who has been loyal to you and got hemmed up in some shit you're like i need to protect them you know a war there is political capital in the pardoning you six people there's political capital in pardoning all them right the rouse up the base base is excited and i think some people just straight paying for it i think there's a price for it and but what's the price though well allegedly i heard this with the binance guy yeah what's the binance like allegedly it was like he got pardoned and then he has all these funds that he's able to like reinsert back into trump's projects yeah like he's like crypto projects allegedly i don't know if this is the case this is what i've heard i mean that checks out so then you're paying for it like yeah yeah it's like a little you know you scratch my back i scratch yours did this run out of battery probably thank god yeah yeah i don't know man the party shit is crazy right shouldn't we get rid of that why does the president just get to say you're allowed to do illegal shit right like why that's weird the part of it what's the what's the justification for it it's one of the checks and balances uh he can push back against like the judicial so if the judicial is going after someone that he can then let a part of them but that doesn't seem like a balance well the idea is like oh that seems like total power the judicial is going after people unfairly and then you have the president's able to be like no no you guys are overstep how can they go after people unfairly if it's decided by a jury of their peers i guess the idea is like you're levying all these charges that are frivolous and then you're able to get them on something but ultimately the jury of your peers is the check against the judicial system so if you think the judicial system is doing something abusive then a jury of your peers sets in and goes no that's not the case i just think it's like a weird amount of power to bestow upon the president i would do a weird part of the founders intentionally designed it as a kind of emergency break on the justice system so just in case the justice system got out of whack well also they can only forgive federal crimes so it's against the federal judicial system like state crimes you can't i think the governor can let you out for state crimes of your state interesting so and then like what would a federal crime be is that based on jurisdiction or is that based on the type of crime i think jurisdiction i'm gonna go if like you go across state lines it becomes federal yeah yeah like luigi is up for state criminal crime and federal hey see but then there's times where pardoning is good like the central park five that was a good pardon sorry guys a federal crime is any act that violates a law passed by the u.s congress typically involving national interests crossing state lines occurring on federal property or affecting federal agencies and is prosecuted by the federal government of federal courts unlike state crimes handed handled locally common examples include terrorism mail fraud kidnapping cross state lines drug trafficking counterfeiting tax evasion and cyber crimes so stuff you need to get pardoned for a little shit you know what i mean you do a little you do a little drug trafficking some tax evasion some kidnapping and you need someone to step in and cover you you know yeah let's be honest this shit is tax evasion like is this shit that's what it is right i mean now probably this is like a white it's white collar shit so you could look after your homies before you get out of office because what terrorists is getting oh i guess january 6th kidnapping across state lines no one's pardoning you for that drug trafficking maybe like i could see you pardoning someone if you were drug trafficking but like the cia was the one that was importing the drugs from like some central america what if you're like a whistleblower and you come out and you're like hey this company's doing some terrible shit or like the cia is doing something fucked up they put you in jail and you're like hey this company is doing some terrible shit they put you in jail and then two years go by and we go like actually he doesn't need life in prison they put you in jail for treason right but in reality you did the right thing it was patriotic yeah and then they bail you out god okay all right and i think that's how they used to use it and now they're just abusing the shit like they gotta let us vote i think we gotta put it up to a vote we do like america's got talent style you bring five of them out and be like all right what did you do why should you be out and then we decide it's call in ryan secrets host america's got pardons exactly i like that and you bail people out and then we get to choose be like all right this guy can come out yeah this is late stage capitalism it might be we run ads on it it'll be great it might be a wrap and then we just let people out and see what they're gonna do when they get out what's gonna be your first order of business you know all right that's all the ditty shit man that's that's enough ditty enough ditty do not mess with 50 do not make him a mortal enemy of yours that is a horrible decision um also don't uh beat and abuse and fuck guys against their will or women against their will that uh ends up uh biting you in the long run um but yeah listen we got a lot to talk about on patreon we gotta talk about matt barnes getting sending sixty thousand dollars to a ai chick on instagram allegedly give him give him his money back he should donate that to charity matt you know zuckerberg should give him his money back and then matt donates that to charity that'd be sick yeah for online awareness that's a good thing to do i think that's a good thing to do that we could all support and it's a great charitable donation you're already throwing it to charity you might as 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