Did the UCLA Spring Game Convince Joel to Move West? Plus, Trinidad Chambliss Considered LSU

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Don't forget to subscribe, like, and share this video if you want to be one of the first to know when we release a new episode of the White Claw Seltzer Surge podcast. Welcome to Ringer Tailgate, the Wednesday edition of the show. I'm your host, Tate Frazier, and we are all in studio. So let's say what's up to our guys. First and foremost, Van Lathan. What's up, Van? What's up, guys? We're raising the roof every day of the week. Yeah, we're all in person out here in Los Angeles. And we have Joel Anderson here in the Long Beach State shirt. What's up, Joel? What's up, man? How y'all doing? It's good to all confab, you know? We also have Billy Gill over here. What's up, Billy? Really in the corner? Yeah, that's what's up. That's what's up. By the way, I would like to start off by saying something. I would like to thank Billy Gill and only Billy Gill. Because last night, I had my comedy show, my first stand-up set at the Laugh Factory, and Billy showed up. I look over, and I see a tall Cuban man going. He gave me a razor roof, and then Billy was. I was out of there. I was looking for Billy. Billy was gone. Well, you had a big crowd of people around. You were a star last night. You didn't come? You didn't come. I thought we were all coming, and then I didn't hear anything. So I assumed. Well, you didn't really spark it up. And I'm the one that told Billy about the show in the first place. And Billy is the one that made it. That, to me, is sacrifice. You can't take credit for it. I went out to get dinner and drinks with one of our managers and good friends, Connor Nevis. Okay, because that was something that I had planned. So you picked Connor over Van? No, I mean, he's my manager. So he. Oh. Oh, bro. You're sucking up. You're pressing out. Yeah. Sucking out, bro. And then I found out that I was going to be on another Ringer podcast, and I needed to prep. So the day just kind of got away from me. Oh, sorry. I'm with it. Just want to make sure you're talking to the mic. Yeah, because you're having a bad week with the mic. I do feel bad. I really wish I had been there. I wanted to support you. It was fun. We had a good time. Shout out to Ida Rodriguez, Macy Gray, Eric Benet, everybody that performed last night. It was fun. Yeah, we heard you did great. Macy Gray did great as well. Macy Gray. Macy Gray did great. Yeah. Billy preferred Macy Gray to me. That's okay. He said you got a tough slot because you had to follow Macy Gray. Everybody told me I was really funny. Billy showed up, so I appreciate the positivity. Did you make jokes, or did you have like. Made some jokes, and then like I told a story about how I learned that my father masturbated. That's a good one. It's a good story. It's a good story. Okay. You know, so the whole deal. But I'm going up again. Well, this might be the start of a new journey for me. Wait, wait. When are you going to go up again? July 17th. See, look, man. I'm going to go up again. I want to make one of these shows. I want to try to show. You're in control of that. You had every opportunity. You also, by the way, like were the most annoying about it. Like you were Van's agent for a week. You kept sending everyone the link. This is where you buy tickets. This is how you go. Guys, we're all going to be your family, family. Then it went radio silent, so I was like, I guess we're not going. My intention was for us to go. We can still. We still have time. What are y'all doing tomorrow, tonight? We could all go and do a family dinner that I mentioned on the show last week. Nobody followed up on. So what's up? We got to do it tomorrow. So, like, tomorrow we should do it. Where do you guys want to go? Like, tonight I have to go to the Mortal Kombat screening. But tomorrow we should go and have a dinner together. Let's do it. We had a lot of fun. We all hung out on Saturday. Yeah, that was our one big reaction. We went to the Rose Bowl. We took it over. Yeah, we had a great time. So, yeah, I'm trying to do it again. So let me tell you a couple of things about the Rose Bowl that I really enjoyed. Number one, I enjoyed getting a tour of a stadium, which I've never gotten before. Yeah. The tour of the entire stadium, the history of the Rose Bowl. We learned everything. We went to the hard hat area of the Rose Bowl, which is funny to me. Guys, Tate, we haven't gotten a chance to talk about it. There will be more footage coming out. Yeah, we got a whole episode next week. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Don't want to get too much into it. It's a little appetizing. But, Tate, we're going into the – so, like, we told the story before about the heights at the USC game, right? Tate's looking around like, I don't know about this, man. This is high. This is going. And so, part of the UCLA – part of the Rose Bowl, they're doing construction. It's a construction. They're building a field club. Tate didn't want to go in, guys. For whatever reason, Tate – Yo, I don't want to do that. He's like, I don't want to do that. I don't want to do that. Yeah, I was like, what? Nobody told me we were going in. That's the whole reason. That's the whole reason we're here. I'm not trying to go into an active construction zone. Like, accidents can happen. They weren't going to, like, have us sitting under a swinging ambulance. I mean, it looked like they were. They were just drilling and doing all types of stuff. And Joe looks at him and is like, what do you think is going to happen? Are the animals going to fall over? He's like, oh. I watched a lot of Looney Tunes. It could go bad. He's like, I don't know. You get me? And it was fun. We learned all about what they were doing. They got a lot of cool stuff happening at the Rose Bowl. It was fun. Yeah, got to see all the statues. Went to the Hall of Fame. Went to the California High School Hall of Fame. Bro, I was – That was amazing. So, we started off in there. And that's where we started to eat. You know, they had a little bit of food for us. And then we didn't – Don't complain. Okay. They didn't have no tables or anything. I thought we were going to have more time to eat. So, I had to take my chicken tenders with me while we were walking. But I really wanted to see more of the High School Hall of Fame. There's so many people in there. Daylon McCutcheon. Y'all remember Daylon McCutcheon? Jamel Holloway. I'm just going through it. I was fascinated by it, and I wish I had more time to be in there. But all it means is another excuse for us all to go to the Rose Bowl. Yeah, we're going to lock in with the Rose Bowl. We were very appreciative of the experience. Got a great tour. Got to see every single crevice of the Rose Bowl. Man, that was – You know, it's funny because when we all had to get together to do that, I was kind of like, man, a Rose Bowl tour, that sounds terrible. It sounds so boring. But it was fascinating. I loved it. Why would it be boring now? Yeah. I just – You know, I just kind of – We got to see Terry Donahue's statue. We got to see Jackie Robinson. Terry Donahue, the winningest coach in Pac-12 history. Yeah. Terry Donahue, Brady Chastain's statue, Jim Thorpe's statue, Archie Griffin's statue. The Rose Bowl isn't just a regular college football venue. It is a historic landmark in the United States of America. Yeah, they had this sign that showed us. We learned all about, like, what you have to do. This is the type of shit that I like. What you have to do to renovate a historic landmark like the Rose Bowl, but also not for it to lose its historic status. Yeah. It's fascinating to me. So there are three stadiums in the country that have that designation, and two of them are in L.A. Coliseum and the Rose Bowl. Coliseum, Rose Bowl, and then Soldier Field for Chicago. Yep. Yeah. So, like, look, they had a great time. And then we watched the parts of the UCLA spring game. Yeah, we got to see, you know, Madden versus Nico, a sibling rivalry. We're Team Madden. Team Madden. Y'all love it because y'all are haters. And I hope y'all keep the same energy when we talk to them at some point. To who? To Nico. To Nico? Yeah, I want y'all to be like, yeah, your brother is better than you. Because that's what y'all would say. Yeah, if you're challenging me, then I'll fucking say that and embarrass you. I think it would appreciate that. Go for it. I just say, like, hey, I saw you a little. Brother, he looks like he has a little bit more arm talent than you. How do you feel about that? Okay, yeah. We'll see what he says. What are you going to do, whoop my ass? I'm not going to box him. I'm not going to fine-bomb him. It's actually, you know what? It's not cooking out no more. It's fine-bombing. That's a new one. It's fine-bombing. You go up there, you talk all that shit about fine-bombing. You went up there, you're like. No, I didn't talk shit about fine-bombing. You were saying yes, sir, no, sir. No, I didn't do that. Okay, that's too far. That's too far. That's too far. Did you say yes, sir or yes, sir? Yes, sir. Yes, sir. I did not see. Tape. Okay, see. Tape. I protected you. Because when he was going on you about the essence. Yeah, that's right. Just remember who's on your side, okay? Winby 12 blocks. Don't get him. Don't get him. Don't get him. Don't get him out. But we had a great time. It was fun. We had a great time. So the Rose Bowl. Oh, yeah, yeah. One last thing. On appearance, thanks to the Duke, Raising Room. Yeah, Raising Room. For TJ Hushmanzada. Yeah, he was coaching the kids out there. He was coaching the kids out there. We saw the kids out there. Like, last thing I'll say, that was actually pretty awesome right there. The kids. Everybody was out there doing their thing. Yeah, man. He was in great shape, man. He looks like he's still playing. He was super cool, too. Very generous with his time. Got to hang out with us. We'll have that interview coming out next week. So, again, a Rose Bowl takeover for the tailgate crew. A lot of fun. And shout out to UCLA. A lot of energy out there for UCLA football. Have not seen that. Been out in L.A. for over a decade. Have never seen UCLA football really have that juice. So, good to see. Well, it's carrying forward. I mean, they've had a really big recruiting week. I think they're in the top 20 overall. Yeah. Like, things that they've never done before. Which is, they've always should have been able to do this. And I understand that they're limited in some ways, right? Like, it's a hard school to get into. Some people don't want to play in a Rose Bowl. Some people want to play at Neyland State. Or a Tiger Stadium or whatever. And it's just a different vibe. But there's a lot that UCLA has to offer and can capitalize on. And it seems like this is the start. starting of that under coach chesney yeah ucla is the number one number one public school in the entire country it's a great education so like it is it is unbeknownst to people use ucla has overtaken berkeley as the best public school berkeley is looked at kind of as a western ivy you know what i mean obviously stanford's a western ivy but berkeley is looked at as the big swinging dick of the intellectual public school uh like kind of deals but ucla is actually a better school it has like a higher academic bar so that is something they have to contend with when they're looking for players and stuff like that we'll see how chesney deals with it to your point oh yeah right so but it's it's it's a good education if you can if you can get in but that's just again that's just another challenge and they've got ways around it it ain't like you know uh georgia tech or whatever where they all got to take calculus or something like yeah engineering architecture what's up just as i said that i checked it out in 2026 berkeley went back to the top they're back to number one berkeley's back to fuck ucla in 2020 we're just joking in 2026 berkeley went back to the top for the public the public ranking now for is number two for ucla berkeley is number one the national ranking for ucla is number 17 it's a top 20 school in the entire country shout out to ucla got good things going on berkeley also great place cheese board you ever had cheese oh yeah man berkeley is one of my favorite cities yeah i love it it's beautiful it's good town um one last thing before we get into college football i do want to ask joel went on the rewatchables yesterday and that was a big deal um so the big question now one big question when is joel moving to la oh wow what the fuck are you looking at when is why do you why does nobody billy is on more podcasts than me he's higher up in the he has more you don't deflect nobody the question is not when is billy moving to la maybe billy when are you going to move to la well no no that's not the one no no no billy when are you going to move to la no one asked me yeah that's not the one that's not the one big question you've actually been on bill's podcast so you've been on the yeah you want to rewatch right yeah on bill's podcast right everyone in this room has been on bill's podcast two of us live here billy but i've been asked the question yet but you've been asked the question one big question when is joel moving to la again i don't understand why people don't ask billy about it because again oh man they never direct answer you said you love pasadena i don't know i love la i mean that was the thing when we were driving around when we were when we were driving over to the rose bowl you all were almost kind of getting annoyed with me because i was just like wow look at this no we were excited we're like i'm like this is amazing i was everything about california fascinates you everything you look at everything you like look at the roads like everything in california like everything about california fascinates you you love california you just cannot stop talking about oh no that's part of the reason i did a season on the la riots is because i just want to get my mind and my head around la what's the book that mike davis did um hustler no oh the the the socialist who died when i think of mike davis i think of the indiana basketball coach yeah okay i gotta look at it what's the name of the book it was uh hold on it's mike davis's coach in a lot of places not that one mike davis uh remember mike davis he is a change los angeles city of courts okay city courts one of my favorite books it's fascinating la reminds me so much of houston too like i feel like they have like a lot of synergy yeah a very spread out city very diverse a lot of people from louisiana that make up their you know their base of black folk so i love it right my i had an aunt that lived out here i just i love the terrain yeah i mean i love mountains mountains i think it was a simple it could have been a simple answer like hopefully soon or like you know we'll see i was talking with connor when i went out with him last night when i when i when he stole you away from me yeah and we were and i we were talking about how the la thing could happen like i i i have no problem with it i don't think i could do it this season but i could envision a scenario which i'm here in i think season three we ramp it up yeah because next year for tailgate is a year where we put the fucking vice grip on the whole game season three is perfect for joe to come out here i'm looking at this list of best schools okay okay public schools yeah there's some surprises in here obviously university of mission is a great school let's say you looked at that i'm looking at u.s news and world report okay so it's some sec schools up here that are pretty high on this list georgia georgia yeah florida yep florida huh florida's way up florida georgia's a really good school well georgia's a really good school okay the university of texas texas is a great school north carolina um yeah north carolina's not up here what i don't know dog hold on i don't see him well i'm looking at right now 16 70 georgia's 19 florida state's 21 damn a and m's 21 there's a couple that's log jam we're ahead of a and m in georgia you're not you know we are you're not you're not yeah we are you're not hold on because right now i see y'all at number 26 on a national university so u.s news and world reports don't have y'all that's just sound like payola to me is i'm just being for real well i'm looking at best national universities rankings okay princeton's number one mit's number two do you have that well these are i'm just looking at the public schools now oh if i just look at all the schools then um then you know obviously this changes the probably if you virginia is on the list yeah you look at the michigan princeton's number one mit harvard stanford yale chicago duke duke way up there georgetown's number 24 duke number seven yeah smart duke i got i got into duke it's not hard it's not hard huh let me ask you a question what's up your whole family is north carolina why did you apply to duke just so i could never have any pushback oh so you could tell the duke people that i could have been one of y'all if i wanted to of course all right question for you the north carolina starting five all time versus the duke starting five it's not even close oh no yeah okay well let's do it can we do it yeah okay so um write this list down so so north carolina starting five is jordan at shooting guard yeah at shooting guard yeah who's the pg who's the point guard phil ford phil ford okay okay at the three is worthy i mean i would put vince carter at the three the worthy at the four you put vince carter three worthy at the four interesting so and then and then receded five or i mean if we're doing are we doing college basketball are we doing like we're doing doherty man i forgot i mean brad doherty and tyler hands bro we're talking about college careers this is your son jameson you can do whatever you want was your starting five so you're starting five you put vince at the three worthy at the four okay so vince is the three worthy at the four who's at the five i mean if it's college basketball i put hands row at the five oh man come on you're putting hands row at the five yeah to take on latener you got it you got it you got to help you got to help yourself bro i don't do you think i mean antoine jameson is easy we're on just college career correct yeah that's what we don't have we know we can judge it on whatever we want if we want to judge it like all like time you know career then i would probably put brad doherty at the one at the five okay but like if it's college it's hands bro because he was actually a fucking man yeah he was the best okay so then what's the duke starting five dude duke starting five is probably jay will at the one okay over johnny dawkins huh i mean man johnny dawkins was that motherfucker he's the guy to put duke on the map okay yeah that first and he was and i think he was an nba all-star yeah of course i mean he was an nba all-star and he was an nba all-star and he was an nba all-star but you wouldn't put kyrie irving at the one oh i mean maybe duke does yeah i mean i mean he played 11 games so like i mean does it count not in my book but sure if you want to put kyrie but i think jay will was okay yeah that's right that's right i think jay will and then the two is jj reddick so already michael jordan was jj reddick barbecue chicken yeah but at the same time i mean that's like the most cooked thing i've ever seen in my life like good luck good luck at the same time though if i'm coaching that game grant hill at the three i'm gonna put grant hill on jordan okay grant hill grant hill at the three okay and then we got vince carter on the wing being like jj come here we'd like to see you um at the four elton elton brand probably yeah elton brand or christian laitner i guess we'll be at the four christian laitner if it's if if christian laitner gotta be at the place one of the greatest players of all time yeah christian laitner at the four and then the five is uh i mean you got like jerky parks yeah i mean sheldon williams sheldon williams your little i feel like you could put christian laitner at the four and elton brand at the yeah maybe you do that that's probably what that's a good five so you put and so they're like the cam so you feel like that's starting five you got jordan on the team i mean just the depth of the bench too like we have a full roster i mean i feel good about our second unit coming in and wiping the floor they got i mean we haven't talked about shane battier we aren't we didn't put me you can put in there if you want a defensive stopper to put on jordan you know yeah a little nasty run him out there you know mike is going to fuck over shane battier you nuts yeah shane battier can do nothing against like i would love it it's gonna be very very tough shane battier is a good defender very very tough against michael jordan for shane battier it's gonna be tough but i don't i'm not looking at this this game we got sam perkins off the bench i mean we got a lot of good i'm looking at i'm not seeing cory i mean that you gotta deal with cory mcgetty you know what i'm saying the court made a great yeah but he disavowed duke so it doesn't count Come on, man. I'm not looking at this game and seeing, like, complete domination. Like, the MJ of it all does give you all the advantage, of course. Like, you're probably the favorite. But I don't think y'all running Duke off the floor, man. I really am not. I mean, that's because they're two great programs. They are two great programs, yeah. Look, I'm not being disrespectful. I'm just saying I'll take Carolina in that, you know, matchup. But I'm confused by this U.S. World Report. I don't know about that. You don't think it's true? I don't think so. Like, why not? I don't know. I've never seen that list before. Really? I'm a little thrown off on it. I asked Claude. Claude said the all-time UNC is Jordan, Carter, Stackhouse, Jamison, Worthy, McAdoo, Hansborough. Oh, yeah. Never mind Bob McAdoo at the five. Mitch Kupchak. The first one and done. Oh, my God. Never mind. Bob McAdoo at the five is domination. It's over with. And they say the all-time Duke is Grant Hill, Elton Brand, Jay Williams, Carlos Boozer, Shane Battier, Luol Deng, Danny Ferry, Bobby Hurley, Christian Layton, and Kyrie Irving. Waxed. They're getting waxed. That's a good game. Y'all not winning off. If that's a best of seven, y'all going 4-2? Bill Ford, Kyrie Irving, Jordan, Grant Hill. They got Grant Hill at the two here. That's okay. Worthy, Battier, Jamison, Elton Brand, McAdoo, Christian Layton. McAdoo, Christian Layton. The two guards are Carter and Stackhouse. Hurley and Jay will. Boozer at the four. Dane got a four. Danny Ferry at the four. They don't have Duke with a backup center. Cunningham, Harrisboro, and Mitch Kupchak. I forgot about Billy Cunningham. That's another good one. Kangaroo kid. Yeah, I would take, you know, North Carolina in that matchup. Maybe Larry Brown coaches Carolina. That could be fun. First coach K, okay. You know, he's still around. Shout out to Dean Smith and Roy Williams. They obviously would be the first options. But, you know, we get Larry Brown in there. That'd be fun. And he also played. So, George Carl's around. George Carl, that's right. You want to see less of George Carl. Oh, man. I like it. That was fun. Let's do our story of the week. Let's talk some college football because this is fascinating, Van. This is in your wheelhouse. Trinidad Chambliss came out and he told, I think it was ESPN, or no, it was on three of this story, that he considered LSU with Lane Kiffin but stayed locked in with Ole Miss. He said, quote, I mean, there were discussions. There were thoughts. I'm not going to lie about that because you have to understand what my circumstance was. I just transferred here. My offensive coordinator. It was Coach Weiss. I had just learned the system. He was leaving, and they were taking most of the offensive guys. He went on to say there were just a lot of unknowns and question marks. So, yes, those thoughts were there. But once we went with PG, Coach Golding, it didn't take me too long to decide. I was all in on Ole Miss, end quote. Did you like hearing that Chambliss got tampered with? Or, you know, like what were your thoughts on this? I think everybody's doing it. I have no problem with that, no issue with it. It's the way of the world in college football right now. There's a lot of money involved. I do. Never. Never in the portal. I do. Never in the portal. I know that there were discussions. Like, the tampering is happening. I get it. I have no issue with it. It's funny that, you know, everyone's getting caught for it. I think that if I was an Ole Miss fan, this would make me super-duper happy. That the culture of what they've built at Ole Miss was strong enough to keep him home, even though I'm sure there was a lot of money and a ton of familiarity that existed in Baton Rouge with his coach and his OC. But they were able to keep him. They were able to keep him. They were able to keep him in Oxford because of the culture up there in Oxford. It says that they got something last year. Do you view this as, like, a tease? You know what I mean? Like, if you're an LSU fan, you're like, man, we almost had Chambliss. I mean, no, not really. Okay. You're not too lost in the what if. There are a lot of people that assumed that he would come along with Lane Kittman. Right. There are a lot of people that assumed a lot of things up there would have gone differently, you know? And he didn't. And he's an awesome player. And, you know, they got their QB. I think that LSU has Sam Leavitt. There's a lot of. There's a lot of other players that came to LSU. But this was a very coveted recruit or coveted transfer. And he stayed put. He likes what they got going up there. Arguably the number two quarterback going into the draft next year, right behind Dante Moore. It's awesome. I'm glad to see you guys stay home. We're going to see Joel's big board before we know that. We're going to see that big board next year, man. Arch and Dante. What did you think about this quote? Well, I mean, it only makes sense because Trinidad Chambliss, before last year, was. D2 transfer backup. Ferris State. Yeah, Ferris State. He was not going to have a lucrative college career. And then he started playing in Lane Kiffin's office. And now he's a guy that's making. Austin Simmons gets hurt. He's making $6 million a year. And he's a coveted guy. And so I would want to. Kirby Smart said, I didn't even know who the kid was last year. I would want to be attached with the offense and the guy that was responsible for helping me do that, if I had the opportunity. So you think he should have gone to LSU? I'm not saying. That he should have gone to LSU. But I can understand why it was a tough decision. I don't know. You know, we'll see what Ole Miss is able to put around him and do differently there. But one thing we know about Lane Kiffin is that he made Jackson Dart an NFL quarterback. And most of the people that he's worked with have at least had a flirtation with the NFL. So you know you're going to do really well in that office. But you remember. Like, the thing that's kind of funny in all this is that. Remember DeMond Williams from Washington was going to go to LSU? Like, that was the big thing. So Lane Kiffin. That was Tampertown, too. Yes. Lane Kiffin had a big board. He had a lot of quarterbacks that he was willing. Because we heard about Sam Leavitt of it all. We heard about DeMond Williams. We heard just, like, whoever they were going to end up with. Soarsby. Soarsby. They were having a lot of conversations with people. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it just seems like, you know, maybe Trinidad may have looked at that and said, I don't know. You know, like, Ole Miss is committing to me. And I can just finish out my career here. But I totally get why he'd want to play with Lane. And at LSU. I think the ideal situation probably for Lane Kiffin probably was to have Trinidad Chavez come to LSU. Of course. And then I think that even though there was some conversation, I don't know how long those conversations lasted. Probably decided that he wasn't going to come. And LSU moved on to their three or four or five guys. You know, at any point in college football at the end of the season, there are going to be tiers of quarterbacks available. Probably a couple of guys in that top, top, top, top tier that you feel like you can build a national championship team around. And then after that, they're going to be, like, solid starters and you're going to get diminishing returns from them. And so we saw that play out this year with the way the transfer shook out. And LSU was a part of that. You saw them kind of be able to have to, not necessarily settle for Sam Levy, but come back to him and repair that relationship after kind of taking swings with other guys. Yeah. And, I mean, LSU had to, when they were making all these decisions, it was just as reasonable to assume that Trinidad Chavez was going to go into the draft. Like, he didn't win his eligibility until after LSU, after the transfer portal had closed and LSU had made its decision. LSU couldn't really hold out hope that Trinidad Chavez was going to hold out. The place that Trinidad Chavez had to go was Ole Miss, basically. Yeah, and he got the ruling in Mississippi originally, the TRO. So there was a lot of factors at play. But I just thought that was fascinating that he kind of opened up about that. I got, yeah, I got Beaumont Jones did a profile of Trinidad. Right, he went down there. For Vanity Fair. And, yeah, it seems like Ole Miss really opened themselves up for Trinidad. Like, they really threw their arms around him. Pause. Jesus Christ. Cam'ron is here, by the way. Cam'ron's in the other room. And he's probably listening to Joel talk like this. And he's like, who is that guy? I want to talk to Cam'ron because I've been wanting to get him on the press box. You tried to barge in there. I did. I did. Like, I saw Max look it up. Like, what the fuck? You know what I'm saying? What was your plan? Like, you were just going to walk in and ask him what's going on? Yo, you know what? Do you want to know? I was going to be like, man, Cam'ron, what's up, dog? I'm a big fan. I'm even going back to 3-5-7. I'm a big fan of you. 2-2-7. 2-2-7. Yeah, it's 2-2-7. 3-5-7. Horse and carriage. You're going to rise to the top. I've been down with Cam'ron since then. And also, I was like, hey, man, I like what you're doing in the media space. I think the interviews you do are fascinating. I would love to talk about this in your approach to media. And you should come on press box to do it. What? That's what I want to do. What? Why press box? Yeah, why don't you get him on here? Why would you not get him on television? Because I'm interested in his media. We talk about the media on here. But, you know, I have another show that I have to worry about sometimes. I mean, Van, we are fourth on your list of commitments. How do you know that? Well, I know we're third. How do you know? Okay, you want me to give you a tip? Michael Jordan went third. Let me give you your top four. You got higher learning. I'm asking how do you know any of this. Tire learning. Ring of the Midnight Boys. Can you just answer the question of how do you know? And then number three is any time. If we were lawyers in court, I would say speculative. Do you want to be on my team or not? I'm on your team. All right. I just want to make sure. But how do you know? I'm asking. Let me give you the top three. Okay. All right. Just let me finish. All right. Number one, again, higher learning. Number two, Midnight Boys. Shout out to the whole Midnight Boys crew. Number three, any pod that Bill wants to have you on. Oh, that's number three. That's number three. You skip meetings with us just so you could be on the Bill pod. Okay. And we're on air right now. But the reality is. You also said that this is your side shit. You said that on air here. You said this is your side project. You almost missed a meeting today for the New York Times. Yeah. Exactly. And you missed his show last night. And you missed my show last night. A ringer tailgate. Had you gone to his show last night, you would have known that he was introduced to the crowd as a host of Ringer Tailgate. He did? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, wow. Excuse me. Ringer Tailgate was part of the introduction. Look at that. Boom, boom, boom. Raise the roof. By the way, I'll say something else. I'm going to raise the roof. Raise the roof for that. Raise the roof for me. Man, stand up. Like, I'll also say this. I'll say that when we were talking about going to Miami. Yeah. to do the game yep i wanted to go to miami and was going to rearrange my entire pod schedule about this you were the one saying that you would rather go with brian curtis and make a press box thing and i read your tailgate no what i was saying was that that could be the priority and then whatever tailgate did when y'all showed up i couldn't make it work but y'all didn't get i knew that that's second priority well brian brian could get credentialed me and brian went to the championship game the year before in atlanta okay you know what i'm saying so we are showing approval that's your that's your no i mean it's it's equal i have so press boxes and i'm i'm down to do anything i'm out here in la literally right now because of ring of tailgate yeah well that don't and you forgot that raise the roof on that no no raise the roof yeah put it up billy you you put your arm up you use for your tailgate to get out here and you have filled up your schedule to the point that you wanted us to reschedule our recording this week so you could go and do a conspiracy theory podcast right you were going to watch this you wanted us to wait a minute so you can wait a second i'm running late to that now i got to get down because i've got to go downtown because you overbooked because you overbooked our podcast was supposed to run on wednesday this was a last minute uh a change to go on we were supposed to be at ucla today yeah but which would be even more of a time that was going to be first i was always going to do that first and i told and i told uh justin and the crew justin and jason shout out be over there later today i i said hey i'm gonna i might be late just you know give me a birth i might be there at three but the tailgate comes first i did say that okay so y'all okay so your priority list press box one wait a second two no it's not okay no tailgate is one i got here i got here on i got here friday night so we could go to your site do you know how hard it is to watch small children over a weekend by yourself that's what my wife is doing okay i came out here should we raise the room for her yeah that's right yeah so i came i came out here so that we could do tailgate over the weekend and be here during the week and remember we're supposed to do some all the other billy you forgot about that yeah i didn't forget about it no you didn't forget about it at what time when you're doing conspiracy billy you've done more podcasts when you're out there you're talking to me yeah you've been watching you've done more podcasts this week no i haven't yes you have you were doing podcasts over the weekend zack lowe what other thing that you do that's my job what do you want me to do yeah i mean oh yeah i work i work at the ring of times the press box is part of my work as well and and jumping on other podcasts because that's something that's all part of being a good teammate unlike some other people that don't like to go on other people's podcasts who doesn't who doesn't go to another podcast who van is going to come on press box on thursday i don't know van's going to come on press i'm going on bill's pot on sunday i had you on my pod i know that's a good teammate we're all good with you wanting to go ask cameron to be on your pod yeah because i want because i just think cameron is a better fit for what i want to do on press box instead of tailgate okay all right get the out of here all right well we're gonna go figure it out with cameron a little bit later this episode is brought to you by american home shield saturdays are for football but whether it's rivalry week or a bowl season home systems like your ac and plumbing always seem to break down at the worst time that's why you need an american home shield home warranty ahs can fix covered items and help protect your wallet from pricey breakdowns get 20 percent off any plan at ahs.com tailgate and see promo for details see ahs.com contracts for coverage details including service fees 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favorite cameron song yeah you see you know the bit yeah i got it that's perfect uh that's because i'm a good teammate you know uh let's do top five headlines of the week this was fascinating kirby smart you uh sent this video to us uh kirby smart was at last it was like on a radio show type thing we do have a clip for this um but kirby smart was asked why the big ten is currently dominating college football and in that ask uh the guy who was asking was basically like i know alabama auburn georgia we've been paying these guys for quite some time with sort of the the impetus there and then you know kirby was able to skirt that a little bit and say he doesn't understand why the big ten is actually doing this they won three straight championships uh what did you joel i'll go to you first here what did you think about the big 10 and you think about kirby smart being able to kind of circumvent the the real conversation which is like the money at play here kirby did not address it at all no he just it was actually genius yeah he just started talking about something else right which i mean again we all knew that people were paying and not just in the sec because i know that's what everyone everybody was paying but the sec was they were establishing the market everybody wasn't playing with the same the same information or the same deck of cards now that all the money is out out there on the table the schools they can really tap into you know their wealthy alums in new york and la or whatever they're standing out like iu but they didn't michigan yeah but on the before this it was like oh man you know mississippi state would have a recruit go to church uh go to church they said go to church on this recruiting visit and then somebody would be like oh we got a gift for you down there and they just leave you a bit of a shitload of money a suitcase full of a bag of cash people didn't know that that was how to game was working then but now dealerships you get a new car then you open the trunk 250 000 yeah so not kentucky and lsu in kentucky you know what they do at kentucky they take you to the horse races and they just give you winning tickets right so like the horse race would happen you would actually not put in a ticket then they come by and give you winning tickets you go cash them in you get your money but they were doing that in basketball all right basketball football whatever so baseball i think a couple of other things happened i think that two things happened the idea that the sec it was this hotbed of impermissible benefits and all of that stuff that's just defeated by actual fact you just just defeated by actual effect like that's the only place that's happened that's just that's that to me you can just look at the landscape of college football i'm just telling you like it's actually dick riding to me to hone in on them when there's just so many other examples yeah of this type of stuff happening all over college football i will say two things change to me the first thing that's happened to me is i've been in college football for the last 10 or 15 years as a cultural sport got more people involved in it right and two and this is interesting when you listen to some of the stuff that was coming out of like you know the texas test guys that was talking to stuff like that these guys got activated in a way that they weren't before like these guys got activated when it became a flex to do this when it became something that was culturally acceptable to do this when it became a part of who were to have like a college football team be dominant a lot of these guys were activated in a way that they weren't before like you're talking about the ellisons and oil guys and all of that stuff like the elites now view this as a way to kind of own a team without owning a team they actually view it just like that they cannot some of them don't have inroads into being nfl owners yeah this is the way or nba owners or whatever it's some of this stuff is about you know owning a really really expensive racehorse and i think that's kind of what's happening in college football and they're involved in a way and if that is the case which is always something that people talked about if that isn't in the case the sec outside of a couple of schools is at a disadvantage like there are a lot of rich alumni that went to and have gone to lsu that is a fact right the richest guy in louisiana right now todd graves the raisin canes guy he's up like 22 billion dollars yeah he's in commercials now in commercials now like there are a lot of rich people have gone to lsu but if you start going around and comparing it to the rich that like went to sc or the rich that went to some of these schools in texas even like an smu yeah like if you start comparing it to that you about to start getting your boots smoked and there are a lot of teams that are sleeping in regard to like having rich well-resourced alumni that if those people actually if it becomes cultural to care about the football program like it did in indiana you're gonna see a lot of those programs awaken very quickly yeah when you got mark cuban involved in indiana football it's a different level well that's the thing i mean this year in indiana duke was the acc champion in football vandy was a 10-win team all these are schools that have the money i mean it was duke versus virginia it was duke versus virginia yeah now so now that the market is known and set they and they're like oh yeah we can compete on that and also the one thing that you can't overlook too because i agree with that is that we don't have much time before realignment and the tv contracts change and so there's going to be the sec is going to add two more teams at least right there's going to be a shift and also some teams might get left and so you have to stay that's why smu is ponied up they're like we ain't even gonna take tv revenue like we'll we'll do anything to be in your conference we just want to be at we'll level up our money and just do what we need to do and so like yeah some schools are going to get left out and guess what smu's help the acc yeah and there's something else here the amount of money that it would the amount of money that you would take to come to some of these schools right think about it like this let's say that back in the day the market for a five-star under the table type shit is a hundred grand yeah let's say it's more sometimes it's more cam newton was reportedly 250 000 let's say it's 250 000 so cheap yeah that's a great deal let's let's say that right and that's a generational talent so for most of the guys it's not gonna be that the question is not how much money it would take to get you to auburn the question is how much money would it take to get you to indiana how much money would it take to get you to vanderbilt how much money would it take to get you to a place that is not a football factory to where you're gonna go and get motherfucking head beat in for three or four years it's gonna affect your draft status it's gonna affect your love for the game and all of that would you have taken two hundred thousand dollars to go to vanderbilt would you have taken two hundred thousand dollars to go to indiana would you have taken two hundred thousand dollars to go to i don't know ucla or whatever a school that's not no that changes when that number is a million dollars yeah yeah like when that number is a million dollars one five or something like that you're like fucking now i'm going and if the three or four then definitely right yeah and that number also changes downstream when you see that they're buying other players or putting together other players that means that maybe you don't have to get your head beat it just changes everything and it will be like this forever yeah so those teams and those other places you can't bitch about it it was reasons why you was a blue blood right some of that was luck some of that was fucking slavery i'm just being for real like some of that was luck some of that was a concentration of black people and stuff like some of that was luck and now there are other reasons that there might be new blue bloods and you can you compete in this era yeah and kirby smart was saying just in the same conversation he was like the alabamas of 2012 2014 2016 whatever you want to point to he said they would destroy some of these teams out of the top teams right now because of the fact they had so much death and now like every team yeah one or two deep and you got guys that are getting bought off that your third string safeties or whatever it's easier to give away charges than to have to pay everybody you know eight hundred and fifty thousand dollars of course well especially when you have a deal with the local dealership and you know it's all tax write-offs or to get somebody a job at like a fucking you know a restaurant in baton rouge or a car dealership or that they don't have to go to move their whole family across the country yeah we got you a house and a job your your dad got a job here you know he's a big donor and he works on refrigeration and now you got some sort of cushy job at the refrigeration yeah whatever it is yeah i mean it's a lot of that and look i love that it's above the board and i love that these teams that have never had their chance before having a chance and that's why oklahoma state they were looking at mike gundy bitch over there and they're like man we got to get our money up either we get our money up or we'll be down there in the new pac-12 with boise state right one thing uh just kind of a big picture thing that i wanted to kind of get your guys thoughts so as we talk about all this there's always kind of been this unwritten rule with recruiting right even when you talk to guys that did get things handled for them right everyone kind of just they talk around it they don't really get into the minutiae of it they don't tell you what the actual story is but now that everything has changed and we kind of see what the model is and we know what the model was before do you think we ever get to a point where like those stories like those recruiting stories actually get told you know like do you think dominique wilkins finally comes out and is like here's why i went to georgia and here's what they offered me you know what i mean like design williamson's finally say like i got a house in this neighborhood in durham and my family got put up there like when do you think those stories will actually come out in those stories now and there's also like the gates are wide open we kind of know what it was but like still there is this veil of like don't talk about it right like we went to fab five like when i did jalen's radio show i was asking jalen about like how did he go to michigan how did they come you know and they all just do like oh man i love my visit i love meet with coach you know coach fisher was yeah but exactly they don't they don't tell you they also do talk about how much right but but like to a certain extent right so i i just wonder when do we get to the point where people is pulled back do we ever get there i guess i think it kind of depends i mean because i think that's fast i feel like we've heard a lot of stories but some dudes are g like eric dickerson he's like i'm never telling y'all right you know they'll go to their grave with him it's like mafioso yeah he's just like yeah he's like because i took the money under those sort of circumstances and i think it is kind of cooler to be like i'll never i don't have to tell you that and how that all went down it's part of the lore some people are just more excited to talk about it and you know that's why i think it's a good thing that we're doing it because it's a good thing that it's a good thing that we're doing it because it's a good thing that we're doing it because you want people to believe that it was more than just money that made that happen yeah right you love the campus when it was cheap right like you want to we actually were the good guys like no or or you want people to believe i'm i'm always a sooner i'm forever a longhorn yeah i'm always a trojan like you want people to believe that right and if you tell stories about hey they gave me 150 000 and they're gonna be like you ain't always a trojan you always green now what you might see are some of the people that are going to be like you ain't always a trojan you always green you ain't always a trojan you always green now what you might see are some of the people that are going to be like you ain't always a trojan you always green now what you might see people that have more tenuous relationships with their programs like somebody maybe like terrell prior or somebody maybe that they lost their coach was gone or something like that somebody that you know but then those always get dismissed as like oh he's a disgruntled player but they we shouldn't dismiss yeah those are the ones that you are going to hear and are gonna have the authenticity and really the daring in telling of those narratives that that you are looking for those are the ones that you are going to hear and are going to have the authenticity and really the daring in telling of those narratives that that you are looking for if you're a coach that's at the end of your shit that's one thing but and ogeron wants to go get another job somewhere so he gets on the mic and starts spilling his guts about everything that went on people gonna be aware i want people to know that i just don't think it's that like i just don't think it'll be like one of those things like i think you'll almost be you know people appreciate the the honesty and the fact that you're willing to talk about it it's so funny like when i did this five-star thing you would get the coaches like you know seth greenberg or brendan malone or whatever and they would tell like the fantasized version of like oh grant hill came into camp he wanted to go to george washington and then we convinced him that he was good enough to go to duke and he had this whole story and then like i would talk to the nike exec and he's like yeah i mean we're boots on the ground and like we're trying to get these kids to go to certain schools right so like they were getting steered by nike puma converse adidas whatever it is and like that was the real underbelly of it all and then you have like the fantastical version of it which is like the one we sell to the fans the one we sell the media the one we say you know what i mean well yeah so to get both sides of the stories you're like the truth is somewhere in between for whatever reason we can't talk about yeah again it really yeah it really depends on what your reputation was and what you stake their name on at the time yeah ucla does not like to talk about sam gilbert of course and building that dynasty and wooden like i know a bunch of wooden guys out here and like they're all like wooden did not like the sam relationship he kind of kept his head in the sand and kind of knew that it was kind of like you know blue chips he was like he knew happy was doing what happy was doing but like he didn't want to know about it right right right yeah so i mean again guys like that i think people will be very careful about protecting their reputation like schools like smu or players like rashad you know rashad mccance or somebody like that i can see them kind of blowing off a little steam just talking about that and by the way you know some of this stuff is some of this stuff is softer than it comes off there are bags of cash and cars and jobs then they're just like you go to this place and you never play pay you like these this is the infrastructure of taking care of that you get coming to this you got houses on campus that you live at whatever you go to this place you never pay you go you you get this you never pay you around here you never pay right going back to the public's thing the public's thing with james winston was probably most likely a glitch in the communication right that one person at the public's didn't know about he's good to get crab legs whenever he wants right yeah he can get crab legs whenever he wants james it's probably just walked out yeah he walked in there with the crab legs and i'm jacking the crab legs today what happened is the guys from florida state get to have crab legs whenever they want to get a piece fried chicken a goddamn sandwich yeah whatever they want they go in there and get it they leave with the fucking crab legs and somebody didn't get the memo i was like hey this motherfucker stole crab right somebody make him pay he didn't know he didn't know what was going on but i'm saying so there so all of this stuff now it's gone right now it's gone but all of this stuff there was an infrastructure in taking care of it and it's gone right now it's gone but all of this stuff there was an infrastructure in taking care of it and it's gone right now it's gone but all of this stuff there was these players and you had people that were in charge of making sure that they were comfortable in these different places and it's also tough because back then like if that was an example like you still didn't have the money that you needed to survive so you had to rely on these places so then for you were even more tied to the institutions and they had more power over you which is what made it all disruptive and now like if you have your own money and you're making a million dollars like i'll go buy whatever i need to go buy right you're good yeah you can establish your own stuff and not be tied to anybody like when it's time for you to cash in and they're like hey i gave you money now just you know pay me back and all that kind of stuff so it's the system is is so much better now i know it frustrates people but having it above board i think really works out better for everybody on both sides but i also don't want to shit on the people that was paying before man i mean that i just think it's a fascinating yeah i just i think the whole model that was there is so kind of like known through conversations when you talk to different people like you get like a little like i've tried to piece it all together in my own existence in this world and you know you got little nuggets and tidbits but i just think at some point maybe people can talk about it but we'll see uh speaking of michigan's kyle whittingham came out he predicts 12 to 15 schools will have 50 million dollar rosters after the 2027 recruiting cycle he said quote there are a few schools that can weather that but not many so it's already unsustainable for most schools and it's only going to get more so until we come up with a model that provides some guard rails and works for everyone in quote so we got to the bags of cash for 250 000 so now we're going to have 50 million dollar rosters for 12 to 15 schools fuck 50 million let me ask you guys a question what year do you think it will be when college football has its first 100 million dollar roster so right now he's saying that we're they're saying lsu's at 40 this is before like i i think they're going to have to collectively bargain at some point and there's going to be a salary cap i don't think i don't think it'll get to 100 you don't think they'll i think there will be a cba before they get there yeah that's what i think same same and who will be i think i think 70 is the number i think when they get to a 70 when it's like ohio state spent 70 million dollars on this roster and they just bought michigan star quarter catch your question i understand what you guys are talking about who's going to be doing the complaining i mean that's a great question yeah i guess that well no the people the same people that are doing it now the schools that don't have the money to do that and they're losing and the fans of those schools the coaches the administrators stuff like that and because i mean even the people that are participating are complaining right now like we just can't keep doing this we can't keep spending everybody does the woe is me act yeah they want they they they want to get a reign in this money in right now and so i assume it's going to happen within the next two to three years what would you say yeah um so what you guys are saying is going to happen is probably going to happen but if it didn't happen i think by 2030 or 2031 you would get to a place where you get 80 to 100 million it's an exponential growth i mean yeah because at this 20 million was crazy now we're at 40 million you know the money the money that's being uh poured into the sport is coming because the explosion of interest in the sport but also because of people's connection to the sport and the people's connection to the to like the players and the stories of the players and the players becoming all of this this is perfect storm of college football stuff that's happening people talk about what's happening on the field and the conferences and all of that stuff but we know the players more now like there's more emphasis on their lives college football has now become a sport that is uh doesn't have an off season so there are more narratives which makes these guys bigger celebrities which makes them more valuable and that value will just be the same for them and that value will just be the same for them and that value will just be the same for them and that value will just continue to go up it's almost as good for college football when a really expensive player fails yeah because that's such a huge story and arts mating this year the interest is what's fueling a lot of these things to the roof you want to watch what's going to happen how tennessee's going to look if they have to start somebody you want to see all these things and these are storylines that frankly just don't have a lot of value to them that didn't exist in the past yeah absolutely and i i also think i mean again and then carson beck right going from a failure and a joke in the off season to a national championship appearance right i mean that's another redemption story that's fascinating right i mean i the thing is that i think that's going to happen is that schools are already sort of correcting for the market now like they're paying a lot of money i don't think i i still think that they're going to get a rain on it because in just talking to people uh in the field it's like they're already like you can't ask for that much money a market is getting established now and the schools are getting a little bit more familiar with this is what you should spend on a backup guard this is what you should spend on a third core a third corner or a slot receiver yeah i mean quarterbacks is like the cap on a quarterback seems to be like eight million that's the most that you would pay for a quarterback and then but like i remember when drake may was going to come back to north carolina and they were like georgia offered him six million ohio state offered him six million and at the time in 2022 you're like they're they're offering six million dollars you know and now it's like oh that's kind of market that's that's like what the market is top end market yeah right right and you have people i mean drake may had a gigantic nfl future ahead of him so this decision he was able to make worked out for him he ended up in the fucking super bowl right after a couple years yeah but you're gonna have guys that realize that that's not exactly shut the fuck up like you're gonna have guys that are gonna realize that that's not a thing for them yeah and so they're gonna want to stretch these college football uh uh careers out as long as they can like our guy t.j finley like our guy t.j finley but my boy nico he needs to stay in college nico t.j finley but what comes along with that is the continuous making of a college football celebrity while you were there because it's not just the money that you're getting from your nil from your school or whatever it's also the other money that you're gonna get just being a college football celebrity a celebrity that you will cease to be the moment that you're drafted into the nfl yeah it will then be gone then people are like where did he play yeah where'd he play what did he do yeah think about it johnny manziel gigantic celebrity all it takes is a couple of subpar nfl seasons fucking ended up fucking around and john manziel is still like famous but like how much good he have made come out off his heisman season going into that next year i mean it probably been 20 million dollars yeah and i for instance probably would have got balled by alabama for for i'm totally fine with ty simpson deciding to go into the draft because he probably looked at the draft the next year as like i don't know what'll happen and that's another year and that's another year for people and i'm a guaranteed number two or whatever but the argument for staying is that he would have probably made more money uh this he got offered six million to go to miami would have had a lot of fun and probably competed for a national championship but again you know they they are going to have these decisions to make yeah and college is a lot of fun especially when you're a millionaire so uh you know a lot of people talking about it uh florida gators head coach john summerall was asked about being bowl eligible next year and he said quote we better be or i'm going to be up on the roof of the stadium getting ready to do something stupid end quote that is crazy right that is fucking nuts yeah that's crazy i just i just thought that was like so that was a newsworthy comment let's go over the schedule so they play they open with florida atlantic so that that could be a win right that's i think that's a win campbell next week the camels shout out that's a win at auburn loss really they got a new coach too though i know but i at auburn stuff okay two i think auburn's gonna be better next year so then they got old miss next year lost i mean next week two and two at missouri that's a tough game that's a tough game too what are you thinking two and three all right they'll probably lose that i'll saddle up for two and three south carolina south carolina loss two and four at home is that at home all right wait a second they should yeah yeah lose to south carolina i don't know but but but they they they south carolina has to be better next year they could very easily be at this two and four okay at texas that's lost two and five georgia lost lost oklahoma lost so so we're saying two and seven he's on that he sounds like that's what i mean that's where the quote kind of got me like i was like this isn't good this is this is this is the stretch of the tournament oklahoma at home at home is at home helps oklahoma coming off of georgia coming coming off of georgia loss maybe they get let's give them a w okay okay that's fine that's a tough game three and seven yeah yeah okay at kentucky let's give them a win even though i think kentucky's gonna be better next year four so then we now we got vanderbilt maybe vanderbilt tapers back down a little bit five and seven yeah i just clark lee i just yeah i don't know man yeah this is a tough schedule to have to have that quote and have this schedule it's pretty wild that's all i just wouldn't then they close with vanderbilt and at florida state which is also going to be like that'll be an interesting game for the state i don't know what to make of them quite yet i don't need it i don't know what to make of them i don't know what to make of them either i wouldn't have if i would see i'm i'm much more dubious about the summer all era than everybody else but um five to six wins i mean i look like we there's we're still in to a no star in the part of the season where we don't know what we don't know about these teams right like we have to do a lot more grinding of tape and looking at it but we don't know what we don't know but like florida over these past couple of weeks we've been doing a lot more grinding of tape of seasons have been hit with some real fucking doozies now some of these other teams have a lot of questions too yeah but they're not six surefire wins in that schedule man it's it's a better schedule than they've had when in the previous years they had like the hardest schedule in the country right it's a little bit better but it's still hard and i don't know what they've got to lean on right now they lost dj lagway so we're going to see the trailer yeah aaron philo i think is a recruit the transfer from georgia tech apparently he's been pretty good and florida has a lot of talent i mean they really do those receivers dallas wilson is going to be coming back of those guys every team in the sec has talent a lot of talent i mean i just yeah i would not but i you know if he has to say that to get people excited i'm just saying year one that is a wild quote the auburn game is winnable for them i think they should win the auburn game yeah and that's honestly a battle of the two coaches that they were going after too with goalish and summer also i mean it's gonna be a close i don't think that would be and goalish beat them last year when he was at usf yeah so that was the game with byron brown yeah that's the that's who sent them down a dark path so i don't know that that's a that's a dark quote so i saw that and i was like wow that's uh that's something there uh next up class of 2027 running back deuce jones drew the son of maurice jones drew is committing to ucla fantastic what was he what is he 58190 yeah something like that he's a three star but this was more of a legacy play ucla has just been uh racking up they've been killing it yeah yeah they're going crazy like the the question about whether or not um they were going to be able to get kids to come out there and play at ucla it's seemingly being answered i mean and there were a lot of fans there that were excited about ucla football ucla is number four for the 2027 recruit rankings what are what are the top four oklahoma okay texas a&m usc nice ucla notre dame ucla has been a usc has been recruiting their asses they really they have to like at a certain point you gotta make these of the games ever did on the field. Oh, I mean, Lincoln got a win. Lincoln has to contend for a playoff berth next year. 100%. I don't think he's going to come back. Especially losing the Notre Dame game. That was such a big cultural loss as far as USC fans out here. He's got to deliver the goods for them to be happy. They're already a little unhappy. And then you got UCLA getting some mojo in the same city. He can't let them close the gap on him like that. Yeah. And he got paid a lot of money. He was the first Lane Kiffin as far as getting the $100 million. I've been shocked at how poorly he's done there. I mean, it's not like. Last year, the running backs all getting hurt was tough. I mean, they've had some walking things happen. They've had some bad breaks. Yeah. They have. Deuce had all the big West Coast offers. He did? UCLA, he had Arizona, California, Utah, SMU. He had a lot of big schools. He didn't have any of the Texas schools or anything like that. I mean, and no SC. But this is the class of the old school. Well, not the class of it, but these are high fucking schools. These are like, you know, legit D1s. And it wasn't a foregone conclusion he was going to go to UCLA and follow in his dad's footsteps. High D1s, as they would say in basketball. They don't say that in football. Yeah, why not? We can say it. Can you say it in football? High D1? Sure. Really? High D1. These are high D1s. High D1s. I think we try to like join the conversation points, you know, across both sports. Why not? Let's have some fun with it. Last story that I had in the top five. John Wall, president of basketball operations at Howard University. He's returning to D.C. to partner with the top ranked HBCU in the country. So shout out to the Bison. Shout out to John Wall. I just thought that was a fun story. We want John Wall on the show. I think that was the other lead. Allison asked us, and we did reach out at one point, but we're going to get him on the show. I mean, he follows college basketball really closely. Oh man, he's locked in. They're GM there. Daniel Marks, great dude. I mean, Howard's got a little bit of juice. Of the like load, would they be considered a low D1? What is it? Howard. It's an HBCU. I think they make the NCAA tournament. They made the tournament this year. Yeah, well, I'm just saying in terms of resources. I mean, of course. But yeah, but like you talk about alumni. Howard's got some powerful alumni. Howard has a one billion dollar endowment. I'm saying they got some money at Howard. They have a chance to stand out unlike a lot of other HBCUs. I would say Howard's in a better spot than Georgetown right now as far as their basketball program. Well, I was talking about this with somebody. I was like, when was the last time I talked about Georgetown basketball, Doug? Yeah, exactly. It's tough. Man, I'm gonna be honest with you, man. Shout out to Howard, man. On some real shit. Shout out to Howard. Shout out to Spellman. Shout out to Morehouse. Yeah. When I see Howard as the HBCU, when I see this, when I see Howard has a one billion dollar endowment, man. That's amazing. That's fucking crazy to me, dog. Mm-hmm. Like, that's crazy to me, man. Southern million Southern University endowment nine million bucks, bro. Like, nine million dollars, bro. I say it all the time. You can't even get a backup guard in the NBA for nine million dollars, man. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, you, that's like Jay McDaniels is, I mean, he's not a backup, but like, this nigga's going past our endowment a billion dollars. Do you feel like, Joe, in the HBU situation, do you feel like Howard, I don't know, man. Sometimes I feel like Howard and these other schools, wait a minute, has our endowment gone down? I feel like Howard and these other schools that maybe they shouldn't even be compared to Southern. That gap is crazy. That's high level. Well, yeah, there's like your elite, well-funded schools that, like, got money from, the kind of school that Bill Cosby would have given money to. You know, there's the schools that Bill Cosby. He was a big Temple guy, right? Yeah, there's money that Bill Cosby. He gave a shit ton of money to HBCU. Yeah, he did. Yeah, the schools that Bill Cosby gives money to, and then there's the schools that, uh. He went to Duke a lot. What's her name? Not Lindsay Bay, what's her old girl? You're talking about Mackenzie Bay. Mackenzie Bay's us. Oh, okay. Yeah, Mackenzie's got. Like, then she gives to, like, all the other ones, like Fayetteville State, the Gates Foundation. Yeah, UAPB. So that's the kind of. That's, to me, sort of the dividing line, but Howard has a lot to offer, man. You know, of course, my wife went to Howard, and it's just, uh. How many times have you been to Howard since you've been in D.C.? You went this past fall, right? Twice. Yeah, twice, yeah. I've been twice. You know what's interesting about Howard? So Southern is 95% black. 95% black. Okay. What percentage would you guys say that Howard is black? 83. 99. Billy? I'm gonna go with 84. 69. What? Wow. Nice. 69% black. Wait, are these people. 10% white, 6% Hispanic, 5% foreign national, 5% other, 4% Asian. See, there were white kids in my high school that would, like, get scholarships to go to Howard. Really? They weren't just playing baseball or some shit like that? Nah. There was one kid that played golf. The economic diversity here. Low-income students make up about 41% of Howard. Affluent students make up about 60% of Howard. Okay. Southern University. Low-income students. Low-income students make up. Hold on. This is just. When we're talking about this shit, I just want y'all to know it's different. It's not the same. When we're talking about Southern University, motherfucker, low-income students make up. Here, I just. I just had it up here. What the fuck? 71% of the student body. Affluent students make up 30%, and I wonder who they are. He was on the yard. I wonder who they are. But you guys got Marshall Farr. Nope. That's the kids of the low. Like, President's. Shout out to Vic and Leon. Their dad was the. You said, yeah, yeah, you don't know who these niggas are. I just said, yeah, yeah. Vic and Leon Tarver, their dad was the president. Of Southern. Okay. And they were the homeboys. They used to be. Hell on them hoes. But you got Marshall Farr. Yeah. Marshall Farr? Yeah. Marshall Farr? Yeah. That's what I'm trying to say. I mean, yeah, Southern has some stuff, but yeah, the money part of it. Again, like I said, I covered the story of Grambling when they boycotted it. I mean, that was 2013 because of the facilities and stuff. Those schools are struggling, man. I mean, states have systematically underfunded these schools, and the people. the clientele that they serve are people that don't have the money to give a lot of money back, right? So it's good when you see a guy like John. I mean, obviously, a billion dollar endowment, so Howard doesn't really need it. I think you will. Shaq was the guy at Sacramento State. They got Mikey Williams. Yeah, there's a lot of these people that have these vanity jobs, like Steph Curry is the assistant GM at Davidson, right? There's a lot of that going on. Master P was, I think. Trey Young's at Oklahoma. Yeah, Master P was the GM for UNO. Hey, Master P interviewed for the Arizona State head coaching job. He did? Yeah. He was trying to get that. Master P knows his basketball. That's crazy. Percy Miller. I mean, it's both. I mean, it's boys. I got a Percy Miller Hornet jersey. You do? Yeah. Damn. I got one, too. No limit. You used to display it in your office. It's signed by P. That's what's up. That's your boy? Signed by P. That's my man. Yeah, I went to the Wooden Award ceremony, and he had his son there, Mercy Miller, and Kyle and I were there, and Master P sat with us the whole time, and he was just chopping it up. He was just chopping it up, bro. Yeah, man. Super nice. I got the hookup! Holla if you hear me! Oh, man. But there you have it. Top five stories. Any parting shot to anything else before we. We gotta let Joel go to his next podcast. That is more priority. Billy, you have any parting shots for us? No, I mean, I'm glad I saw all you guys this week, even though Joel was in and out. He didn't really want to hang out with us. Joel, dinner tomorrow night. Family dinner. Family dinner Wednesday. Everybody be there. No, Wednesday. I thought you said Tuesday. Tuesday. Oh, today is Tuesday. Today is Tuesday, so tomorrow. You said you couldn't do it tomorrow. Tomorrow. Tomorrow. Is it Thursday or. Tomorrow's Wednesday. So, yeah, we're doing Wednesday. Okay. Wait, when is this coming out? This is coming out tomorrow. Tomorrow, okay. So, tomorrow's Thursday. So, we're going to dinner tonight. Tomorrow's Thursday. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, we're going to dinner Wednesday or fucking Thursday? We're going to dinner Wednesday. But that's tonight as far as when this is. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, that's right. When this show is. So, if you're listening to this right now, we're at dinner, hopefully. Or Joel has decided not to go to dinner. He's with his cousin. Yeah, okay. Or Joel's having dinner with his cousin. I mean, my cousin Hope, my beautiful cousin Hope, who is a Howard grad. Hope, okay. And she works on a. What does she work for? Sunset Studios? She went to some studio around here. So she's a very outstanding young lady. She's the baby cousin in my family I'm one of the older cousins in that generation And I feel like it's my duty To bring my family together now Sounds like another reason to move to Los Angeles Duty You got a duty to move out here to Los Angeles For your family And beyond You guys have got to help me Make a good argument And talk me up I think you need two years in your current house So you'll feel happy Maybe you get one of those big fogs For your backyard If you don't know what a big fog is Go look it up Joel wants one for his house But yeah you get that for one year Then year three you move out here Ring or tailgate takes off I'm not against it I'm for that plan So the one big question was answered at the end I can't make any promises Okay I mean there's a lot of stuff That's got I mean look I got to make the right money You know what I'm saying All that's got to get figured out Hold out Yeah Negotiate publicly Lay beyond bell of the ringer right here You got to negotiate publicly sometimes You know what I'm saying Yeah just put it out there It's not our time Yeah It's not the time to be doing that I don't know Well you got a conspiracy podcast to go on You can go bring up some of those points on that Alright Van Any parting thoughts Anything else Nah man All I got to say is You know we some G's man Yeah you know we some G's Baby Joel's a J Anna G Great to have you in LA Yeah man Billy great to have you in LA It's been fun It's been a fun time When is Billy when You commit to moving to LA The same year I did That was not the one big question No This one I said Do you commit to moving Because you got a lot going on I If I've learned anything this week Don't make any plans Committed to you Like you Oh If I'm planning based on you That it's going to change 50 times It's going to get up in the air Yeah Yeah I'm the only reason that we all hung out bro Hey I got to say One thing before we leave What Masai Ujiri was asked If Jason Kidd will be the coach of the Mavs He said he spoke with Jason Kidd yesterday We'll meet with him again But said We're going to look at this thing from head to toe Oh man Damn Damn man If I was a Mavs fan I'd be so mad I would never I would never get over it You know what I mean the Luka thing Does everything that has happened since then I would just I mean they got Cooper flag I mean that is a real good I mean that's You're talking about consolation That is a huge consolation Yeah That works That worked out But it just didn't have to be like that But I'm going to be real man If I'm fucking Jason Kidd Or anybody And they ask Whether or not you want me to coach And he goes Oh we're going to take a look at this From head to toe It seems like You're going to be The first assistant For somebody next year That's what it seems like That's tough Yeah I wonder how many more jobs Jason Kidd can get as a head coach It's not going to be I mean he got him to the finals He got him to the finals And he's a good coach He's a good coach now But the reality is that If he doesn't Achieve like A really really good I guess you could say he has Like five six year run With somebody Then the returns Are going to be diminishing I mean those Buck stories Were pretty bad Pretty harrowing Where they're like He got rid of their Christmas break Wouldn't let them see their family Obviously all the shenanigans Where he was with the Nets Where he was like Getting people to run into him To spill ice on the court I love it Yeah I mean That was awesome I love that I love that That's heavy Yeah that's heavy He is a great point guard There's no doubt about it So he'll figure it out But great story there Nice little Wrap up Shout out to J Kid Thanks to everybody For tuning in to Ring Your Tailgate We will be back next week A very fun episode Of Tailgate Takeover So we're excited for that And enjoy it We'll see you then And hope everybody Has a great week See you then Bye Bye Bye The DraftKings Sports App Is now live in all 50 states From 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