Devon and Sydney Carlson: Sisters, Situationships, & Starting a Business (FBF)
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In this episode of Call Her Daddy, host Alex Cooper welcomes sisters Devon and Cindy Carlson, marking the first sibling guests on the show. The conversation opens with their playful dynamic, including their family’s habit of clapping, which they call the “Carlson clap.” They recount a recent Vegas birthday trip, highlighting how their close friendship developed after a period of distance during one sister’s difficult relationship. The sisters then share the origin story of Wildflower, their phone case company, which began with their mom crafting DIY cases. A chance meeting with Miley Cyrus at a restaurant led to a viral tweet and launched the business, funded by selling their family home. They discuss the challenges of growing a company while young and the importance of family support.
The conversation shifts to dating, with Devon describing a “wild year” of being single after a long-term relationship, while Cindy prefers not to date casually. They play a game comparing their behaviors, revealing differences in habits like posting drunk on Instagram and texting exes. One sister shares a humorous dating story involving a late, argumentative date that ended well. They also reflect on toxic attractions and personal growth, emphasizing the value of their sisterly bond and self-awareness. The episode ends with warmth and appreciation, celebrating their close relationship and entrepreneurial success.
I would like want to take off my shoes and get cozy now, do it, do it. There's water behind you if you need it, but I kind of think I want to drink. I'm suddenly nervous. Should we go get a drink? Yeah. Okay, but we're like, you guys are good. What is up daddy gang? It is your founding father Alex Cooper. Oh, let me hear you guys. Give me like a little like. How's that? Hey, yeah. See that? Hey, Alex. How are you guys? Oh, wait, maybe bring your downstairs. I want to see your face a little. Take off your top. Do you need to take off? Do you need to bring that closer to your mouth? Is this good? I don't know why you're singing, but I love it. Hey, this isn't very strict. I don't need to sing at all. Devon and Cindy Carlson welcome to Color Daddy. There's like no crowd, right? Let's start off with, you guys are the first official sisters. I've ever had on Color Daddy. Really? We're against like people related, even. We clap a lot. We clap a lot. My dad calls it the Carlson clap because we clap all the time. I think we got it from them anytime. My parents will always start a clap. And it just has gone down to us. When we were little, like anything, the smallest things we did. They were like, "Chop girls!" Even now, we like walk in their house. And they're like, "I love it because you guys keep clapping at me." I'm like, "Welcome to Color Daddy." Okay, you just had a birthday. I just happy-related birthday. You went to Vegas. I went to Vegas. Tell me what was the most like memorable moment in Vegas? What happened? What did you do? Well, the entire trip was like kind of a surprise. Yeah, she didn't know. A few months ago, we were all sitting in my bedroom. And I was like, "What are we going to do for my birthday?" Like, we got to make it big. And because it was like my first, whatever. First single birthday. In a while? Okay, we can say it. We can say it. Okay, okay. First single birthday while you were going to do it. You got to do it big. You could do it big. And I was like, "Kady Perry, obviously, we have to see. " That's what like started the idea. Yeah, so then we were looking at the dates and then she happened to be playing in somewhere. Like, fuck it. And then I started getting closer and they were like, "What do you want to do?" And I was like, "Can part of my gift just be that I don't plan it?" Like, "Can you guys just plan it?" So, everything was kind of a highlight. But I feel like one of my favorite parts was when we were all at the lobby bar. And we, everyone kept coming down and like, showing off their outfit. And we'd be like, "It's so cute." Because we didn't stay in the same room. We all stayed in separate rooms. So, it kind of felt like camp. And then everyone, we would be like. It was summer camp. What do you mean? We were eating at the lobby. And everyone would come down. It was like a fashion show, seeing everyone's like outfits. I don't know. Okay, so you were there? Yes. Do you usually get invited to each other's shit? Yeah. And within the past few years. Well, because we were just like. Sisters for a really long time. Like, just related. I feel like in high school. When did you become friends? Walk me through the. The high school, we were definitely like sisters. Still like friends. We never have really fought growing up. I don't think we ever had a real fight. Every fight has been about clothes. Like screaming, crying clothes. In unison. Yeah, and about clothes. Why are you fighting over clothes? You guys like, you borrowed that without asking me. Yeah. My first job. I spent all of my money on mainly like gas and clothes. Got it. And I would. Gas and work hours for like. So it was a little money. And then I go to the Urban Outfiters sales section by one thing and then go to wear it. And it's gone. And I'm like. And I'm like. I worked so hard to buy this fucking shirt. And she's wearing it without asking. Right. And then there was like the trade. It's like, okay, well, if you borrowed that without asking. I get to wear this like I've never worn. Two things that you've never worn. But you can't post photo on it. But yeah. Are you guys in the same friend group? Yeah. We're like, we hang out every day, basically. Yeah. Like, our friend group is the same. We're like a friend group. It was like, Sydney went through like a. gnarly relationship and then got out of it. And I feel like we weren't close at all during that relationship. And it really made me be like, oh my gosh. Okay, once she's out of this, like, I can't. It showed me like what I almost lost my sister. I felt like in my life. And I was like, I'm never letting this happen again. She is like, I'm like forcing her to be my friend, basically. And then after the relationship, we became really close. Yeah. Did you feel that too? Yeah, yeah. I mean, it was a fact. Friends are amazing. Yeah. But like, friends or friends, like, they're not your blood. The fact that you guys are friends and you're blood. Yeah, I think we forget sometimes. And our friends sometimes are like, I always forget. You guys are like sisters. Like, we hang out with like, sisters. Like, it doesn't feel like. But it's, we'll also do like, our bickering fights about like, just. Sister friends. And our friends will be like, like, sister fight. But it'll last like five minutes, and then we'll be like, should we go get dinner? I want to get an idea of your personalities, but described by the other person. Devan, you go first. Describe Sidney's personality and how like, friends view her and like, who is she in the friend group and like, what is her personality? Give me the fucking team. Yeah. Sidney's like the funny one. She's like the funniest one out of all of our friends. Like, Sidney can never be serious for more than like, five seconds. She's perfect. And she's also fun. I don't know. She's not silly or good piece. She's just like, drive funny, serious. Like, drive humor and monotone is the fucking funny thing. That's what she is. When you're like, what did you just say? When did you just say? You're like, absolutely. I mean, I think we get, already got to know you a little bit better. Yeah, yeah. Now do it for Devan. Devan's not the quiet one. She can be put in a room with complete strangers and walk out with 10 friends, 10 new numbers, going lunch plans. Like, she. No, that's Sidney. No, oh my god. No, we are. Okay, but that's when I'm wrong. And I give people my number. That's completely different. Like alcohol is the whole thing. Like, she can do this just like, naturally. That's where we're like, very different. Like, she's like, social butterfly can like, talk to anyone, be friends with anyone. And it's honestly really, it's like a talent of hers. And you're like the first one if you're walking the door. You're talking first. And then she's following you with like, hilarious jokes. Yeah, the joke was always like, whenever people get to meet us, they'd always be like, Sidney's really the funny one. Like you think I was the funny one, but they'd never get to know if they're like, Sidney's the funny one. And are you okay with that? I, it's true. I can't really be mad. Like, this is reality and we have to just appreciate it and accept it. We work perfectly together. Your sisters, your best friends, and your business partners. Your company, Wildflower, creates the best phone cases. I'm pretty sure when we were drunk at Olivia O'Brien's music video or somewhere, you guys like light, you lightly started telling me this first time. I think it was. We were like upstairs and it really came over before. You came over to a live show. Oh my god, yes. And you broke the late text outfit. Oh my god, I did. And it was like so awkward. I didn't know anyone. I was like, hi girls. And it was like so nice. You were like, show us your vagina. Let's get out of the way. Let's go. I remember that. We were like, we love her. And then we got drunk at the music video while we was like crushing it. And we're like, she's working. We're just going to get hammered. And you guys started to tell me the story of how it all came to be. Tell us the story for the Daddy Gang that doesn't know. Well, it happened 10 years ago now. We just celebrated our 10 year anniversary. Congratulations. That's fucking awesome. Thank you. It's crazy. Very crazy. I really wanted a phone case for my birthday. And there was like, I phones had just come out. So there wasn't really cute accessory phone cases. It was just kind of like the solid color protective ones. Like it wasn't like thought of an accessory. It didn't exist. On the outer box or whatever. Like an outer box or like just to cover your phone. And our mom has always been very creative and crafty. She was making like the shorts with like the studs on them and putting like sewing fabric on them. Like she's always just a very like DIY. She was being art teacher. She was an art teacher. She just like, cruffs doing stuff like that. So she thought to get a clear phone case, put fabric in it and stud the outside of it. Like herself. And so she made a few of them and gave them to me and Devon. We went to school and our friends were like, what is that? We want that. So she made them for our friends. And so like our friend group had them at school. And people were like seeing them. And we would go the mall. And people would stop us and be like, where did you get that phone case? Like random people all the time. So the first day my mom actually carried extras in her car because people would stop us that often. She would have been like, well, I have some. You know, you want to buy them all. No company or anything. We literally were just like-- And it wasn't an idea to make it a company at all. We just were like, oh, we'll tell our mom what type of fabric to buy. And like, what stud patterns did we literally do for fun? There was no vision of growing it. Or having a company that was no one's plan. Yeah. So then one day she was keeping them on her. And we went out to dinner. The four of us. The four of us family. And we got up to use the bathroom. And we were waiting in line. And Miley Cyrus walked out of the bathroom stall. And this was like Miley's bun era. And I was the biggest Hannah Montana fan. Girls at school knew me as the girl who was obsessed with Hannah wanted. Yeah. Like, my obsession. She walked out and I was like, holy fuck. I was like, wait. And I was like, this is my end. I have to say something. And I was like, I know it's really annoying. But do you mind if we take a photo?
photo together and then we took a picture together and I took it with the phone that had the phone case on it and Miley was like that phone case is so cute where is it from and we were like our mom made it um she was like does she have a company and we were like no and she said is your mom here we were like yeah she's like can I go meet her and we were like sure didn't even go pee walk out the bathroom and we're like walking back to our table meet Evan and Miley and our parents are like what do they do like what's there was like a girl we went to school with tweeting like yeah she's like shit like what is going on like I see the car like walking out of the bathroom and we she Miley taps our mom on the shoulder and is like did you make these phone cases like they're so cute and we were like yeah and she was like you guys should start a business like this is really cool this is really cool idea you guys should like start a business and my dad looked at her my dad was a graphic designer for years and so we looked at Miley and said we'll have a website in the morning yeah and we were like yeah we will and amidst she she got my Twitter handle mm-hmm and so she ended up we gave her all the cases of our phones too and the ones in the car yeah we were like take take everything what do you want you can have everything she went back to her table yeah took a photo of them tweeted it tied me in her tweet everyone started and this was like 2012 Twitter like no one it was unheard of to get mentioned by like anyone like us celebrity or anything like that and so and all of our phones had died yes so we didn't even know we're driving home like freaking out waiting to get a phone charger all of us plug our phones in we're like oh my god and everyone from school is texting texting us like what's this tweet my dad stays up all night that night I mean when Miley Cyrus fucking looks at you it is like you need to have a company and your dad's like there will have it in the morning so then we started tweeting like responding to people like wildflower cases dot com we had no inventory we had nothing we ended up selling our house and that funded all of wildflower and we moved into our grandma and grandpa's house and we still ran all of wildflower for the first five years inside of our house and we would I did all of the yeah I quit my job first I did our mom quit her job and then our dad when she did we were like okay this is like real this is real so we like I tried to go to college I really was like kind of embarrassed about like it was weird because no one was starting companies like it was me and Sidney kind of like Sidney Morso because she was like a freshman and it was taking time away from hanging out with her friends it was like weird it was weird to be doing this so it wasn't like as supported as it is now so yeah I guess I could kind of see that because they're like what are you doing and like it was like no one was very like you're not going to college and we're like I had one friend in high school throughout all of this because they thought it was different and weird and like it it wasn't the normal it was a lot of just like making fun like like yeah like whatever we would and like posting on Instagram was like we're like making fun of I think people that are now beginning the TikTok phase yeah feeling embarrassed that if like kids find their TikTok in school because people like oh it's embarrassing and it's like no it's not yeah why is it a very normal have you guys ever talked to Miley about that like whole blow up in moment I did recent not like recently yeah beginning of this year one of our friends was working with her and I got the opportunity to like meet her and hang out with her she saw her a lot yeah she's really great and really cool and I just kept being like I oh so much to you like you don't understand it's really fucking cool to see how much you guys have grown and also how close you guys are so it hasn't broken up the family no if anything it was like our family depends on this so if not everyone's not holding up there part of the bargain like yeah then we're not gonna have a roof overhead so it was like literally we had to work I mean I feel like now we're at a point where we've been able we're lucky enough to build a team that we like we genuinely trust and have been able to delegate enough stuff out so now it's like I feel like I'm actually starting to live my college years and I like worked through my real colleges but I mean I'm just so like endlessly happy and grateful and like just it's still very surreal it's crazy girls we're gonna talk about your dating lives take your sim and alcohol here we go I'm gonna go back and forth between both okay I'm gonna give you each the love and the attention that you deserve Devin we're starting with you okay are you currently dating anyone um yes how serious is it has he met your family tell us well there's there's like watching oh she's watching he's really he's was like yeah just share where you're comfortable like fun stuff well we so obviously I was in a relationship for a very long time a public relationship and um we had like the most mutual breakup ever and we still are totally chill and friends and I in support of of each other and whatever and um but they're not I was like holy fuck I'm single for the first time my entire life well adult life basically and uh I just went on a wild journey that's I feel like lasted almost a year and it so the guy I'm currently with was a part of that early on and has just kind of been with me back and forth through that for an hour uh exclusively seeing each other and he has made it through my craziest moments and still likes me for whatever reason yeah thank you for sharing can you give us a little bit of an explanation when you're talking about like a wild year just just a little bit of what you're talking I was just like zero fucks like I'll go on a date with anyone right now like just really throwing myself out there and making up for lost time and having so much fun good for you I kept being like nervous that no one like no one was gonna like like me or hit on I I was so insecure about it I get it when you're in a long-term relationship yeah first it's a little shocking to end that whether it was like a good breakup bad breakup it's like I'm single what does it even mean like how do I even act what the fuck do I do yeah and so you just went like a little wild you had a fucking great year yeah I just kept being like scared that people were think that I like thinking I was being crazy but in my head I'm like I have never like done this like there's no way that I'm being crazy did you think she was being crazy yes no I thought she I thought she was more crazy at the end of your relationship okay then out of it so you were happy she was out of it yeah it was like honestly the best months ever I was like this is the most fun we've ever had and it kind of was a little bit of the same feeling that like she had when I was in our relationship but not as intense at all but was just like wow we're really like just free and hanging and like our friend group was just like it was just so like free right do you think you're more of a relationship girl I think for being single yeah from like the moments that I was single I just kept finding myself like in real like like a situation yeah are you single I'm single are you more relationship girl or single girl um well I don't know because like she's a the type of relationship girl where she will get in multiple relationships very easily yep I might be a relationship type of person but I don't get into them very often at all got it even in like high school she had a different boyfriend every month I think I had one maybe it all four years like I just it takes me a lot to get to that point to actually date someone everyone's got their own thing like right friends like and that works for her totally she's just so harsh and it's like she's about the thing is the things that she says aren't like not true like she'll she would spring up things about like a guy I was seeing and I was like like I was a guy was dropping me off at a hotel and she was like I thought it was your or she goes up to him and goes I thought you were her uber driver and he was like hey I was like oh I thought you were the uber I said then that afterwards I was like oh my god I called him there whatever was he like mortified he needed it he needed to be humbled okay so you will call out shit about the guy she's saying what was she will literally be sitting on my couch and being like make me a latte oh and he did this guy she was like saying I was like I want a smoothie and he made me a smoothie and you put chocolate chips in it why do you do that just like test to the like boundaries I just like it's very entertaining for me to watch all of this happen right so it's just like I'm like watching TV and like can be a part of it how does it make you feel when she's doing this I just love when my sister interacts with any guy that I've seen at all because I feel like it takes a lot for her to be herself around people okay okay and that's why like the new guy that I that I'm with the fact that she can like be her funny self around him like means more to me than like almost anything but I just could think I care a lot with my friends think like if my friends don't like someone I'm pretty like when it comes to guys I'm like yeah they're done yeah
- Yeah, it's not happening. - Have you gone on any dates recently? - I have been on one date in my whole life. - Are you in stock? - I know what I said were saying. - What did she say? - She said that she was like, "I don't go in dates." Like, "I'll see you at like, hi." - No, yeah. - I was like, "Oh, fuck, stop." And she was like, "Or they come to my house." Why do you think you're just like not dating? - I, how do you meet people? - I guess I'm in stock. - For how? - I guess I don't, I don't know. I just, I have never been interested in that type of dating. Like, going on dates with new people, I had everyone that I have gotten into a relationship with. I have been friends with and become really close with. And then I'm like, "Oh my God, we have feelings. We're dating." - Got it, got it. - I'm just not even that it's like hard or uncomfortable. I just don't care too. - I'm not that type of data. - And she went on one day and she was like group chatting us. Like, "Who's gonna come meet up with us now?" - Like because I was like instantly not into it. And I knew I wasn't into it. I just, I guess also I rarely find people that I feel like I could date seriously. I don't know, there's some people that I'm like, okay, there's something about this person that I could like, but that happens very rarely. - I think that's fair. - Yeah. - Okay, how would you each describe each other's type? (laughing) - Oh, I'm curious what you will say. - Sydney likes like, "Well, they have to be funny." Okay, "Funnier than you." - Sydney has to find them funny. - Okay, yeah. - Which is like unique, sense of humor. She kind of likes when they're like, I don't wanna like offend anyone. - Go for it. - What are you gonna say? - But just she likes like, "What's the nicest way to put it?" - No, I know, Sydney likes interesting looking people. Like, they have to be unique looking. There's something like almost off about them or their style is very like weird. Like the normal person would be like, they're weird. That's Sydney's type. - And what do you say back to that? - I would agree. That's a funny way to describe it. - How would you describe it? - I just like, I'm really attracted to men who are like very comfortable in themselves and who they are. And like, don't just give off that vibe. Like they don't care what other people think of them and they will wear whatever they want, look how they want and they're just like confident in that and who they are. I think it makes me very comfortable around them and be like, I could totally be myself, say whatever I want, wear whatever I want and they would be like, that's cool. - Give me David's type. (laughing) Honestly, you kind of all over the place with the types. - Is it musicians all through the room? - Usually musicians, it's like always an attraction. - The room is not my fault. - Like it can be a musician and that ranges in all areas. But as long as they're a musician, I think she's some sort of attraction. - Is it 'cause they sing to you? - No, I find, I just find, like when Sydney said, like when someone's so themselves, like that to me is so attractive. Like when they just don't, like, they aren't trying to impress anyone. And I think that they're cool. - Totally. - I just think that that's, or I find them interesting. But like the musician part, I think dating wise, my lifestyle just works well with someone who's like, like our schedules usually work better when it's like we're constantly both traveling. - You're a backstage bitch. - That's fucking nice. - Backstage lifestyle. - Well we were dancers, we like music, but it's just funny because half the time, literally like, I like the music that I like. It's never really like the guys that I, right. (upbeat music) - You kind of talked about how you had an intense relationship that you guys had a little, like, not falling out, but you just kind of press pause in your relationship. Devon, how did you approach handling when you didn't like who said he was dating? - We just did not talk about it. - But I knew. - It was very, but it was more so because my boyfriend and her boyfriend weren't like, didn't really mesh, and he was like, they didn't ever want to be in the same place. So it, not because anything had happened, it was more just like, didn't like. - No communication. - Was the communication. - So it was just constantly avoiding each other, and then I was like, obviously I have to be loyal to the person that I was with and she felt the same, so then we were just kind of like, co-existing and working together. - So when you guys would work, would you just like not talk? - I mean, we were so busy. There was not really any talking. - But we didn't like customer service, and she was packing and shipping every order. And so it was like, literally just hours of me responding or answering phone calls, and Sydney just like, we wouldn't be out outside of that. - And did your parents know what was going on? - Yeah. - Yeah, they weren't too fond of him either. I don't think anybody was, but I also think everyone has to have a relationship like that. It was like such an insane experience, but I'm so glad it happened. Like I forever, I'm like so grateful of that relationship. And I also was like, I think I met him when I was like 18, 19, and it lasted till I was like 22. So it was like a lot of, I was young. And I, that was kind of my first big intense relationship, and it just took everything out of me. And I had never been at something that intense. And I, I mean, I talk about it. It's not like something I hide at all, but he was a drug addict. And that was something that kind of developed over the years, and also something that I didn't know much about, being so young, I didn't know what anything was, or like what was bad, what wasn't. And also something that I didn't want to talk to my family about or my friends about, you know, how do you like tell your friends and family that that's what you're dealing with and going through. So like that kind of aid at me inside and took a lot of like everything out of me that just consumed me like I bleached my hair, classic when you're in like a terrible relationship and like my hair was falling out. I had like an eating disorder. I stopped talking to a lot of my friends, my family, like, I just like consumed it all in myself because it was so like I was trying to help him and be there for him, but also like he wasn't giving that to me. It was like the lowest lows I've ever had, but also when it was great, it felt like amazing. So like I held on to those moments, and it was just a lot. But you know, our parents have been together since they went to prom together in high school. They were each other's first boyfriend and girlfriend and they're still together. They're like so growing up, that was like my view of what love is. Like you find that one and you do anything to make it work, which is amazing. And I'm so glad we have that and that they have that. But also getting into a relationship like that, I'm like, I will fight for this. I will do anything to keep it, you know, no matter how much it hurts or whatever, like this is what love is. And I had to learn that's not the truth. You know, when it hurts you that bad, that's when you don't, you know, you say this isn't right. I thank you for sharing that because I had something similar in high school, that was like my first love. And I really think a lot of people will relate to like, the good is like in moments, 'cause it's so good, 'cause you're contrasting the awfulness of those moments. And so you're like holding onto the good. And I think that like, I mean, everyone knows once you're out of it and you're like, oh, I did distance myself from my friends and family. You can look back, but when you're fucking in it, it's literally just trying to-- You're blinded, you're like, I had no idea. And it honestly took a few years out of that to just get back to like myself. I like, I didn't even think about dating or like seeing other people. I was just like, okay, I need to get back to like myself and like my friends and my family and like focus on myself. And after that, like that took a few years. I'm like, currently the best, I've ever been. And like-- Carlton, clap. So content being alone, almost too content where I'm like, I would rather stay home than go out at this point. But I probably could be in a relationship if I wanted to right now, but I'm very content. Now knowing, have you guys had conversations about like fuck, we can never let this happen to each other again and like lose each other in those moments? Yeah, we know. I was pretty like when she called me and I was at breakfast with my boyfriend and she was like, he cheated on me, we just broke up. And I dropped everything, didn't even finish my meal and just immediately drove home. She was like, it's happening. Carlton, I literally was like, oh my god, it's happening. Everyone's like, I know. It's so I called our childhood best friend who basically was like Sydney's second older sister. I was like, they broke up, just like a moment away. So we all literally-- I called everyone and we all got there. It's fast as we could. And then my best friend Nicole and I took Sydney to Disneyland the next day and we kept being like, because the friends that she had had at that time that she was like closest with, I felt like, didn't it ever like tell her like, get the fuck out of there? Like a lot of the friends that wanted-- it was like, she didn't want to hear what we were saying necessarily. And I was like, we got to show her what it's like to like be treated right, have really good friends and healthy relationships. And so. it was like welcoming Sidney in with open arms to anything we were doing. I was like always inviting my sister even if she didn't come 20 times in a row. I was like you're invited, you're invited, you're invited, you're invited until she like finally started coming and having fun and then getting comfortable and then she just like blossomed into the Sidney that we've known all along. How did you find out he cheated? The girl, well the last time. The girl, the girl DM me and it was classic. He was also a musician but was on tour and it happened somewhere and she like sent me photos in his shirt. It was like that feeling when you find out and you're like I don't even know what to do with myself right now. Oh my god, my stomach. I like all my anxiety and everything goes to my stomach which is why I think it made me like just not eat because that's immediately what I feel is in my stomach and I was like so lost because I didn't have close friends. I barely talked to my family. I felt like my world was like oh my god this can't end like I have nothing. Thank god. Thank god. I'm like thank you for cheating on me. That was like the best thing you've ever done. In the moment the shit that sucks then you look back and you're like thank fucking god you fucked up because if it wasn't that I may have still been in that shit and look where you are fucking now. Do you guys have fake accounts? You got like 10 accounts. Of course. I have like I'm like how many do I have I have like this stalker account. Do you have your Finstay or your stalker account? Oh I am a psycho. Tell me. I love it. Oh she actually is. I love that. Like I love you even more now because she's like yeah she's like well no I win my ex-boyfriend used to go on tour when we got back because we dated we broke up then we got back together and that was like the seven-year. Yeah yeah yeah I in the beginning was a fucking maniac. I don't know how he put up with me. I love it. I would create I would go on and I would like look up their tour or I had the tour manager like he forwarded me their tour schedule and so I would go to every venue's Instagram page and like watch every story of everyone that was there and then look at like the girl everyone's profile that was there tagged photos everything. I actually really respect you for admitting it because I think there's no shame in stalking like who gives a fuck it's too fucking easy. Everyone does it. Everyone says you don't you're lying. I know every like even this guy that I had gone on a few dates with he like DM me and it was the first time that I had gone and met up with someone over DM that I didn't previously know but like he knew people that I knew and whatever and so I was like okay and we hung out and he's like so we're just gonna act like we haven't like completely started. I love that. I was like you're like you know you're like that suddenly it was like he was like bringing up things and I was bringing up things and I was like suddenly I'm 20 times more comfortable with you. It feels like I know you already we're arguing by the end of the date and it's just like perfect. Well because it's also like let's just keep it real I know who your ex girlfriend is. And this is our first date and I know who she is where she where she works like it's everything. I like to just get it I agree let's just get it out. Girls were about to play a game. Okay go under your seats you have these two little cards. Basically we're gonna play which sister do not like we're okay so we're playing which sister is more likely to okay and so don't show each other but like basically I'm gonna ask and you'll hold up whichever whichever sister is more likely to okay which sister is more likely to be the favorite child wait why honestly and he gets away with everything I always got in trouble for 50 times crazier things but I always get the youngest child which sister is more likely to take something from the other sister's closet without asking this is a great moment you're both taking accountability well because I just want to avoid the thing is I'm like if I ask it's going to start drama before the night goes out or whatever I would rather postpone the drama and deal with it later so I can just feel good where the top that I want to wear and then I think I could steal it and get away with it I feel like you would sneak you a little bit ask no no she has no notice you don't do shit okay which sister is more likely to post drunk on Instagram it used to be me but I feel like I think it's still you what are you drunkenly pose you just not give a fuck you're like post like she'll just post she just doesn't I'll just think something so funny and be like yeah this is my bit for the next morning I'm like what are you doing yeah but then I'm like it's too late you can't yeah right and then they know you regret it and then you can't delete it which sister is more likely to give better head like for yourself we're like you're like both ourselves like hi forever I love that I love that great you guys great head game which sister is more likely to fuck on the first date see me he's like like I don't go on dates remember on the first hangout like that doesn't but guess what she goes on more dates more okay there you go there you go I have never fuck on the first date I love that for you see he get it in and get it out okay goodbye go on dates okay which sister is more likely to if they were ever to go on a reality show do you want to go on one yes she has been trying to get our family on a reality shows since she was in high school for like a year we're talking to people about doing scholarship but I would watch it one viewer get canceled after one season which sister is more likely to text their ex when drunk love that for you are you literally be just staring at it and be like she won't even like tell anyone she'll do it and I'm like and I'll just be like oh my random person my random choosing of the night I'll be out of her leg and everyone's like Devin what do you do it Devin and she's like like so I like Devin yeah she's like also she doesn't get like scariest like she will text her ex do whatever and then the next morning she'll be like that last night was so fun and I'm like what like how do you do more to buy you get like any I love be admirable which sister is more likely to have a three sum have you had a three sum she won't call it that but she won't call it that because there was four boom even better even but I love that for you was it fun or was it awkward no it was great great and it was my friend was there oh okay so it was totally fun it was fun okay good for you which sister is more likely to get kicked out of the club Loki Devin what the fuck are you doing club why are you crazy I'm really clumsy so I knock over a lot of things got a great thing okay that's why I wouldn't be because I'm like it would be because I'm I've had two drinks and I like go like not trying to fight yeah and we're I went with like some of my old dance friends and we kept knocking over the champagne and the guy picked up the bottle and he goes you're done and we were like not even just because she keeps knocking but he's like you guys are so connected you'd be like um stars get me back in she'd be like it's so good it's so good it's so good okay which one oh man this is a sad one which sister is more likely to get cheated on we all know dance I would never let that I would literally go yeah I found out they were with someone I'd be like I'm honestly the face of being cheated on I mean like you're over it yeah you're done you're like low up it gave me yeah you're you're gonna be fine I stand by you're standing you're okay which sister is more likely to cheat in a relationship do not say that honestly don't think either of us would loyal loyal lovely girls just so so lovely okay yeah I know I'm cheating here we're just getting cheated on over here yeah come on okay which sister is more likely to slide in and DM celebrity on I don't think no I've never DMed anyone I have an open your phone I'm literally like oh really you've never DMed anyone no I've never gone out of my way to like DM someone that I don't whatever I think it's 20 sometimes I haven't in a while Sydney doesn't all the time it takes a screenshot uncends you know I love I do that to make her laugh I'll DM someone funny and then uncended okay which sister is more likely to be in an open relationship none I think I'm too I've literally had gone yeah I've gone through moments where I'm like oh I could totally if that I was like constantly told that I was like no I need a little bit of reinforcement so if she's like not shit sure but I honestly I don't think that it would be fair to like the other girls or whatever yeah you don't have to give us the speed you're like the real I'm gonna be the shit I'm down for like friends with benefits where it's like okay you I know that you're hugging up but if we're dating dating I mean my boyfriend
- I agree. - Also because if I make someone my boyfriend, I don't wanna be dating other people. - Exactly. - That's not my intentions. - We're on the show. - So why would we ever do it? - Ever. - I wanna know both of you said you can go first. - Okay. - What is the toxic that you like attract and you're like, fuck, I hate it that I'm attracted to? We all like the toxic and then how are you toxic in a relationship? - Oh. I think the toxic I'm attracted to because this could also be someone who's not toxic but it mainly is big personalities. Like people who are very much their own life, their own ways, big personalities. I could get wrapped up in their life easily in a bad way. - Interesting. - But it's exciting and fun to do, but it's obviously bad 'cause I'm separated from my own life. So that, I don't know how I'm toxic in relationships maybe because I give too much of myself. It's like toxic and bad way for myself. - Oh my God, you're like an angel. You're like, I am not, 'cause I'm like, I already don't miss jealous of her. You're like, just wait to get to me. But I hear what you're saying. You're like, oh okay, that was like, let me go. Okay, so but I get what you're saying, you just kind of give yourself too much. You like use yourself. - Yeah. - Okay, we're not letting that happen. - But I'm not doing it anymore. - Nope, so don't get an idea. - Yes, I mean, it's actually the best, like most thoughtful, like girlfriend ever. Like even for like, I love shopping, I'm really good shopping. I'll give you the best, like most thoughtful gift, but words, Sydney will write you a book and like make it so sweet. - No, it's cute. I think we should normalize like cute, except for relationships, like, oh you're a son of a fuck up. - Yeah, I'm a little lazy. - Okay? - We'll love. - Please. - We're in love. - Right, I mean, what toxic are you attracting, Devon? And how are you toxic? I know it kind of hurt your fake account, but I think, the toxic that I'm attracted to is like someone who's good with their words or like knows is witty. I think that people like that just know how to get what they want. And I think that maybe I know what I want to do right back. - I get that, no, that's like a scary combo. - I just like match the energy. So if you are giving me something, then I'm gonna give it back, but like slightly more to the point of like, we're gonna drive each other absolutely insane. - Lastly, who has like a crazy fucking dating story, whether it was a one night stand, whether it was a bad hookup gone wrong, bad sex. - I have like a really like, it should be a bad date, but it ended up being a good date. - Share it, share it, we're here for it. We love story time. I was in New York and it was the day after Valentine's Day. And we had been like, we had gone on a couple dates before, but it was like only whenever I was like visiting and he had just gone into town and he was like, okay, I'll pick you up and we'll go out to dinner. And then he texted me before and he's like, would you want to see a movie? And I was like, no, I'm fucking hungry. Like I want to eat. - And so he's like, I said, I'm pretty hungry. And he was like, okay, well, I'm not gonna get there for like an hour. And it was like eight o'clock at this point. - And Sydney was in a room under me at our hotel. So I kept going through the like staff stairs and I went into a room and I was like, it's not gonna be over another hour, it's just a very fucking serious. I was like, I'm so hungry, I want to go to the set. - She's like, so it's on my bed. - So I was like in such a pissy mood. And so then I stopped answering him, then he called me and he was like, I'm sorry, I'm running even later than I thought, like I don't think I'm gonna get there to like nine thirty red flags. And I was like, he's like, do you just want to go see a movie? And I was like, I'm so hungry. I was like, I don't understand. Like I'm so hungry. - I know what you mean. And why? - I know what I'm saying. - So we're already arguing. And then I ended up hanging up. And he's like, what are you gonna do? And I was like, well, I'm gonna eat. Like if you don't want to come out here and I thought we were gonna go dinner, I've been waiting to eat. Then I'm gonna go eat. And he's like, where are you going, whatever. He told me, gave me a recommendation of a good place to go. And so I go there and he's like calling me and I was like decline, decline, decline, like whatever. And he's like, okay, well, I'm at the restaurant that we were gonna meet at. And I was like, okay, well, I'm not. And he was like, do you want me to pick you up? And I was like, obviously, it's February and New York. I'm not fucking walking. - Right. - Granted, it was one block away. - Oh. - Get in the car, bitch. - Right, me, I was like, I'm gonna drive. - I was like, you know where I am. And so then he obviously pulled around, knew exactly where I was, came in, got me in the car. And he's like, I can't believe you just made me drive a block. I was like, can't believe you were an hour and a half late. - Yeah, wait. - And so we ended up going on this date. And I was just like, zero fucks at this point. He like, parks, we walk in, we sit, we start eating. And we're just like, roasting each other, going on and on. Having so much fun. The bill comes. He's like, - No, no. - Forgot his wallet. And I was like, he's the one I called a new person. - Are you fucking serious? And he starts dying laughing. And I just kept being like, I'm so excited to see how you make this up for me. Because I'm like, I'm not gonna let this go. - So I pay for dinner. And then he's like, okay, well, let me, I'll drive you home, back to your one block away. - Thank you. - And I'm like sitting here, I'm like, oh my God, I'm such a princess. We got outside. His car is towed. No, no, no, no, gone. Gone, the car is gone. And we just started looking at each other, we were dying laughing. And then, did you give him a kiss and go home? You didn't even, did you catch him? - Yeah. - We slept together. (laughing) - What do you mean? - Definitely, it's over. - Tim, what do you mean? Like, what are you talking about? We fully found, taking the best sex of his life. And I went and got his car and I paid for the show. And the morning, I thought he got his car back. - When a man does that, he's like, oh, fuck yourself. - Like, and I fucked him, obviously. - I was like, okay, this is what dating is. - Yeah. - He's such a good story, you're right. Like, the ups and downs, the amount of times I can look back in my 20s, even my teens, of the time that you're trying to play it off cool. But you're waiting and you're waiting. - Oh, I was, but it was honestly, it was, we had such a fun time. And then the morning, he like, bought me like a huge bouquet of flowers. It was beautiful. And then he dropped me off. And then he, that's my sister. - And she roasted him. - And that's when you said, I thought you were the Uber driver. - Yes, deserved. - Wait, why, what kind of car did he drive? - It looks like, like, the black Lincoln, like, town car. Like, it looks like a Uber car. - Can I get in next? - You know what I mean? - I'm going, what? - I was waving at her at the front seat, like. - I was like, why should I? - It's your front seat of the Uber. - Dude, I love it. I also love how you were like the gross kind of the guy that got me in his way. Because it puts him in their fucking cage. - They deserve it. - They're like, great. I don't think I've ever dated, like, a not great guy. Like, I don't really have any bad things to say about anyone that I, like, do you agree with that statement? - I don't think they're bad, guys, at all they're just a little cringy sometimes. - And you pointed out. - Yes. - That love, that I'm like pointed out. - Guys, we love out. - We love you. - We love you. - I love you, guys. Thank you for coming on "Colored Addy." - Of course. - Thank you for having us. (upbeat music)
Podcast Summary
Key Points:
The episode features sisters Devon and Cindy Carlson, who are the first siblings to appear on the podcast.
They discuss their close bond, which strengthened after one sister’s intense relationship caused a temporary rift.
Wildflower, their phone case company, started 10 years ago when their mom made DIY cases; a chance encounter with Miley Cyrus led to viral attention and the business’s launch.
The sisters share contrasting dating styles
They play a game revealing personal preferences, including habits like drunk texting exes, posting on Instagram, and their views on loyalty and relationships.
A memorable dating story involves a late date, an argument, a towed car, and a positive outcome.
They discuss toxic attractions and how they’ve grown from past experiences, emphasizing family and self-care.
Summary:
In this episode of Call Her Daddy, host Alex Cooper welcomes sisters Devon and Cindy Carlson, marking the first sibling guests on the show. The conversation opens with their playful dynamic, including their family’s habit of clapping, which they call the “Carlson clap.” They recount a recent Vegas birthday trip, highlighting how their close friendship developed after a period of distance during one sister’s difficult relationship. The sisters then share the origin story of Wildflower, their phone case company, which began with their mom crafting DIY cases. A chance meeting with Miley Cyrus at a restaurant led to a viral tweet and launched the business, funded by selling their family home. They discuss the challenges of growing a company while young and the importance of family support.
The conversation shifts to dating, with Devon describing a “wild year” of being single after a long-term relationship, while Cindy prefers not to date casually. They play a game comparing their behaviors, revealing differences in habits like posting drunk on Instagram and texting exes. One sister shares a humorous dating story involving a late, argumentative date that ended well. They also reflect on toxic attractions and personal growth, emphasizing the value of their sisterly bond and self-awareness. The episode ends with warmth and appreciation, celebrating their close relationship and entrepreneurial success.
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Wildflower started when their mom made a custom phone case for Devon and Sydney using fabric and studs. Friends wanted them, and after a chance encounter with Miley Cyrus who praised the cases, the family started the business, selling their house to fund it.
In high school, they were close but not best friends, often fighting over clothes. They became much closer after Sydney went through a difficult relationship, which made Devon realize she didn't want to lose her sister.
Devon describes Sydney as the funny one with dry humor, while Sydney describes Devon as a social butterfly who can make friends with anyone naturally.
Devon was in an intense relationship from age 18 to 22 with a drug addict, which consumed her and led to isolation, an eating disorder, and hair loss. She eventually learned that love shouldn't hurt that much and is now grateful for the experience.
They avoided communication and just co-existed while working together, because their boyfriends didn't get along. After the breakup, Devon reached out and helped Sydney recover by inviting her to events and showing her healthy friendships.
Devon is a relationship girl who goes on many dates, while Sydney prefers to become friends first and rarely goes on formal dates. Devon is attracted to musicians and confident people, while Sydney likes funny, unique-looking individuals who are comfortable in themselves.
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