DEVIL'S ADVOCATE: Rachel Wilson vs. Skyler Turden Debate Feminism! | Louder with Crowder

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social safety net that let's get right to it our guest today would remove um a self-loathing woman in chieftain uh who wrote the book well it's miss miss rachel wilson uh we're going to be arguing today universal suffrage feminism and why and and why you hate women but you brought your book so people i don't want to touch it yes i did i brought the book it's occult feminism the secret of other things like oculus i worked in tech for but occult feminism the secret history of women's liberation all right um and where can people buy it it's available on amazon okay i can get it like on etsy no it's not on etsy all right sorry nothing like serving the corporate overlords which will be probably something we'll get into so uh what's the secret history it seems to me pretty straightforward women wanted i'm in riots right they're like hey we don't want to be sold as uh you know chattel uh but you see the secret behind it yeah it actually the book has two meanings uh occult just means hidden so there's actually a hidden part of women's liberation history that you don't get from the gender studies programs and the most people don't know about uh so there's a lot of prevailing myths like the one that you just mentioned that you know a just women just wanted rights and they were enslaved and they looked around and decided we need to liberate ourselves that's not really what happened yeah that yeah no we found common ground that's what happened no that's not what happened actually that's not what happened so maybe you're not aware of this but they actually did referendums uh before the 19th amendment asking women if they wanted the right to vote and the very few who even bothered to come out and vote in the referendums only about four percent of them at least in massachusetts did want to vote yeah i don't know you said that i want to get the point like that's not a really large time for science right right a small place i'd call those four percent heroines well i think well heroes because they can also they could be heroes they could be heroines whatever it is that they well let's call them heroes because if you pay attention to susan b anthony the kind of the you know queen of suffrage in the united states who queen b you look at her she could have been a hero rather than a heroine you know she looks like you know maybe she was a hero rather than a heroine right but that aside if you ask her she would actually agree with me in her own history of women's suffrage she lamented that she had the least amount of support from women and more support from men for women's suffrage and that women actually had pretty much everything they wanted she said they can go to school they have access to universities they can work outside the home if they choose to although most of them don't want to it's not practical and they consider their lives so comfortable and well provided that they just seem to have no interest in suffrage and so we're going to have to continue to work outside the home if they choose to and i think that's a great point and i think that's a great point i think that's a great point convince them that they're oppressed she literally says that right in her own memoirs yeah but that's just i mean she may queen bay anthony is you know she may be that's just one person uh you vote right yes i mean we could just end it that way i'll rest my case i can see i can see why you would think that's critical but let me explain i vote because i have to cancel the vote of a feminist somewhere and so my my husband tells me to vote and so i vote to double my husband's vote you could think of it that way too if that's more palatable either to double my husband's vote or to cancel the vote of a feminist now if i could make a deal if i had a genie in a bottle and it said rachel if you give up your right to vote right none of the other women can vote either i would make that deal in a heartbeat okay so just like the old ends justify the means but you like your vote while you have it well it's not really a matter of whether i like that one on there not that you know i keep score and i think the score can be very destructive obviously self-esteem but i do think it's mad and this one where it does matter uh do you like you mentioned i know that that you have this talking point where you got and you said well actually a lot of women didn't really want the right to vote who was running who was conducting the polls yeah wait what do you mean who was conducting the poll asking the woman if you want a right to vote was it like it could have been some guy just burned someone like a witch like are you sure about that vote well you know it's funny that you asked about that vote and she's like no well schuyler here's the thing is that actually it was the national women's suffrage association who stopped having referendums at all they actually put a stop to asking women whether they wanted the vote because the women kept saying no and they said this is disastrous for our disasters for our suffrage campaigns so stop asking the women if they want to vote they don't they literally said they don't know what's good for them well okay first off i think you do this a lot like you flawed the zone right because i can't fact check all that but we'll do like you know there's a solid job we'll do like jubilee we'll put up fact checks afterward uh you know like you know a legitimate media outfit um but it still seems to me let me ask you this before we go on because you got a lot of detail it's very impressive but is your husband making you say this first off no i mean i know you probably wish that was true but no i guess we'll never know in fact there'd be no way people have this idea that you know my husband is this mean guy and he's somehow like you know pulling my puppet strings but what happens when fellows like you sit down with me for interviews like this hoping to get a gotcha you know like with your vocal fry and whatever um is that they find out that andrew's actually the nice wilson and if either of us would be like the misogynist extremist it probably would be me so oh i'll know about that let me ask you this so are you actually saying before we get to the details as to how you make the case what's your goal you don't want women to have equal rights correct i'll tell you what my goal is so i believe that christian patriarchy is by far the best system for women to live under for a few reasons no no you must miss patriarchy it's a bad word well it's been made into a bad word certainly but uh if you are aware there was a much larger number of anti-suffrage women than there were pro-suffrage women for most of the pre-suffrage era it was only right before the 19th past that they started to even get close to being on equal footing and most of the women arguing against suffrage wanted to keep the protections and provisions they were enjoying under patriarchy they understood the biological and ontological differences between the sexes and that they actually were the main of patriarchy well again you keep saying that like i don't think you know what that means like you wouldn't say like patriarchy with a smile which is fine like i know we sometimes what do you think patriarchy means skyler it's where women were treated basically like like cattle they were treated like objects i mean there was this there was erasure i'm sure you're familiar with that yeah erasure uh i think arnold even spoke about it or did a film about it where it's about women really having, I mean, you've, you have to acknowledge like women couldn't do anything without their husband. before that so maybe the polling was low because no one asked them they hadn't thought about it before and then like well well we could we don't have to be you know like breeding uh stock well it's interesting that you say that because there were states that women were allowed to vote in prior to the 19th amendment women were in fact allowed to uh inherit property and keep their property when they went into a marriage there was laws in new york that a man could not sell his wife's property after entering the marriage without her express consent and she even had to go before sure yes she even had to go before a judge and testify that she was not even being coerced or pressured by her husband into selling the property that she entered the marriage with and in the case that there was a divorce for any reason uh she would leave the marriage with the same property that she came into so it's another pervasive myth that women couldn't do anything didn't have access to things uh before suffrage and this is due to the fact that women couldn't feminist framing so you'll hear feminists like you say things like oh women were denied an education before feminism which is not true some of the first colleges and seminaries in the united states were for women and what they'll do is they'll frame that as fine as long as it's not a forced seminary well they'll they'll frame it in such a way to make it sound like because it was not co-ed or because there may be some programs that women were excluded from that women just couldn't be educated or couldn't go to college when that's not true at all there were women's programs that men were excluded from as well so to get the proper history you always have to look back and kind of remove the feminist framing and make sure you're not doing a presentism fallacy which is taking your liberal 2026 black rimmed eyes and looking back into history and projecting your current beliefs onto the time period well i think you got a lot of egg on your face already because i'm not a liberal let me guess let me guess registered independent no libertarian i don't look i don't have to i have to answer to you but the liberal party left me i don't leave them right you would consider me more right progressive uh but liberal has some bad connotations i think you just do this thing where you take it's like opposite day you were doing like in school where you wear your clothes backwards that's like what you do where you go oh yeah patriarchy feminism when you should flip it feminism is you know it should have the smile and patriarchy you have the frown and i'm not supposed to feel like you are pandering or condescending to me with your uterus tattoo there and your me too oh whoa you mean the place that incubates the miracle of life exactly oh yeah well why would i want that what would you prefer i have a tribal tattoo well i would think that if if you have like a ben sevenfold obviously i like before they sold out if you like the uh uterine tattoo and the miracle of childbirth we might want to talk about the fact that since women's liberation there's not a whole lot of that going on anymore uh explain so birth rates are in the toilet well you're not even replacing ourselves as a married couple anymore in this country and uh women just don't seem to think that reproduction matters unless it's the right to destroy you know a child who by the way 50 of that child belongs to the man as well and it's weird because women want reproductive freedom but men have no say in whether a woman gets to abort their child do you think that that's fair well you just uh you accuse me of presentism but now you're saying oh birth rates going down well yeah when you don't force women to bear children i would assume the birth rate goes down because now they have choice so you don't think they had a choice before when no no absolutely not okay at what point what it could be what would a woman do if a guy you know if he uh uh deposited the mirror the seed of the miracle of life because men can't create life only women can create life i understand that i don't know if that's the most progressive take i thought that men could get pregnant i thought men could get pregnant now with some men well they can get pregnant too that's the important part right you don't take into account the nuance they can get pregnant too which means it's an addendum to women get pregnant but men can get pregnant too well then why the uterus tattoo why the why the ovarian you know ovaries and uterus on the floor why not why not put a schlong at a certain point you know i mean i don't have the biggest forearms you can only fit so much and uh but i will that's a fair point i will take it into consideration but women did not have choice right before that you just if man wanted to make a baby you just they had no recourse for rape i mean let's be real about what the world was like pre-suffrage women uh didn't have the same rights in in court they couldn't uh take out a loan you talked about them being able to go to schools but some schools not other schools whereas men could enjoy all the schools uh as far as people being charged for sexual violence like it was just it was commonplace people beat their wives and uh no one cared yeah unfortunately that's another myth so people will say this is another feminist framing talking point that because we didn't use the legal terminology we didn't use the legal terminology we didn't use the legal terminology for marital rape prior to the 90s that we didn't have laws against that but we did they were just covered under battery and uh other types of abuse laws and we actually have you can just ask cheap chat gpt to bring you up prominent cases of men being convicted and imprisoned for beating and or raping their wives prior to the 90s and it'll give you a whole giant list so we did in fact imprison and punish men for doing that it's just that it was called assault it wasn't called you know marital rape that was kind of a a meaningless feminist legal term like this big victory of oh we're calling it what it is no of course of course it's not meaningless it's just that it was already covered it was already illegal it was already being tried and convicted in courts all across the country and in england even before colonial times we're talking about like the earliest days of america there were men who were being tried in court and prison for beating or raping their wives and another thing about that is that this was not some widespread phenomenon that every man was getting drunk every day and raping and beating his wife that was actually another propaganda campaign launched by the women's temperance movement to try to get prohibition passed was to the men had bad tempers to well i don't know if you've seen the news lately skyler and some of the ladies in the news like lindsey clancy and all of the copycats don't even don't even look let's stay back with where you were i don't even bring that to me without talking about big pharma and their culpability right right now i think that all women i mean pound all women deserve the right to uh the the mental health care is that what your tattoo there says pound me too yeah well at the time it was so you're kind of into that no i'm not look it's not about me this is about ideas and i will say yours are dangerous they're bad so i don't want to talk it's enough about me um we can talk about me after but they had bad tempers uh and that is how it was a lot of guys there was you could say that they didn't do it but plenty did and they got away with it and now women at least have recourse i don't want to talk about lindsey clancy unless we're talking about mental health for women because i don't have their lived experience as i understand it uh having some children you know sometimes it makes you want to makes you want to do some things that you otherwise wouldn't want to do it so you think you do you think it was the hormones or do you think it was the prescription drugs that she was shopping around to different doctors and getting and willingly taking what do you think it was that excuses what she did look i think it's the remnants of what you say with a smile a patriarchal society where i think it's very difficult that's a lot of pressure that men like myself can't fully uh understand i bet you she is a woman uh going through a society that was framed through patriarchy and she's a woman that's a woman that's a woman that's a woman a long time i had some struggles and uh you know it's a point as a tragedy all around there's no winners are all she's a victim they're all how can we grant women equal rights if they can't ever be held accountable for their actions see this is where i think that feminism becomes really bad for women we grant women rights we tell them what they deserve and then we don't ever assign any type of corresponding duties or responsibilities there's no accountability like if women are so hormonal and so injured by the history of the patriarchy they're not going to be held accountable that they can't refrain from murdering innocent children why should we be letting them vote why should we be uh giving them equal rights with men why should we be enfranchising them at all so you don't want a woman president i don't i think you're a schrodinger's feminist i think that you like feminism when it suits you and then when it doesn't women are victims who are innocent and can't be held responsible and i don't think you can have it both ways i think i don't think you can say that with a straight that you don't want a female okay look keep the face keep it straight tell me again i don't want a female president well so now i just think you're evil because you didn't i don't think you'd be able to yeah who broke you that you don't want a female president that you don't like you know that'd be like a black guy wanting you know who broke me it was kamala i couldn't handle the laugh the cackle the the vocal fry the no i said - Tub full of collard greens. means the real mature you know all of her gaffes i just after watching her campaign i mean it was bad enough watching hillary campaign that was that almost got me but the kamala campaign broke me and ever since then i just can't tell i can't stomach a woman i think the reason you couldn't handle kamala's a little calm a little column b column b being racism not just not just what race is kamala by the way we don't need to get into details because you don't even know it's not one of those uh let me ask you this because i got you got notes hey i got notes we can all do notes but those don't really don't need those notes uh women let's go to today because you'll say oh this is not as bad as people thinking you said women could go to college yes no they couldn't do you have any way to substantially i'll have a i'll have a like jubilee it up there but women now today outvote men every single presidential election that's true so aren't we at the point where let's assume that everything you say it was like it was bad women lied and socialists whatever they were the ones who convinced women and uh you know but today in 2026 women outvote but doesn't that show that they're more responsible and isn't this you just wanting to it's sort of your death throes against the changing world yeah what i would say to that is do you know what the top women's political issues were prior to suffrage what would you guess uh i would assume like raw milk was in the picture kind of yeah it was public health and safety it was sanitation it was um right safe mostly public health and safety issues yeah those are the effect do you know what the top three issues for women are now that they have been turned into just another voting block i wrote it somewhere but i'm sure you're gonna tell me yeah it's abortion right and it's choice economic equality yeah and it's uh women's equal standing in society which who knows what that means it's like a very nebulous term that can mean whatever they want but don't you think it's weird that women went from being the primary person to being the primary person to being the primary person to protectors and advocates for children to being the primary murderers of children once we once we took away because we're not gonna it's you know we took away their neutral moral grounding right and we turned them into a political voting block and now the only thing that gets women mobilized in politics pretty much is either the right to destroy an unborn baby or to protect illegal alien murderers that ice is trying to arrest they will jump in front of ice cars to ice vehicles uh to prevent you know illegal aliens who are suspected of child rape and and protect them while advocating to destroy unborn children and we already don't have enough babies and they want to kill the babies before they're born now they're trying to also raise millions of dollars so we can kill the babies after they're born so i think the anti-suffragists were right because they actually foresaw this and they said it's going to we'll lose our moral high ground as women because do you know they're going to kill the babies before they're born and they're going to do you know women were able to get a lot done advocacy wise before they ever had the vote that things like children's health we already had organizations get a new mop we had the u.s children's organization founded in 1912 before suffrage and this was like we had ngos we had advocacy groups we had grassroots groups yeah that's right we had not anymore thanks thanks elon don't let us know we have a ton of ngos thanks we have more than we've ever had we have more lobbyists than we've ever had and we have a ton of ngos we have a ton of ngos we have more lobbyists than we've ever had but women used to organize and petition for things and they were granted those things uh prohibition is a great example women didn't even have the right to vote and it was the women's christian temperance union that got prohibition passed now of course that was disastrous we don't like it but to say that women were powerless politically before getting voting rights is absurd and demonstrably false okay so you said first of all i'm not going to do the abortion you just throw all these things out there oh uh illegal aliens are undocumented migrants and they do jobs that uh americans don't want to do uh they're not all bad like most of them are just here to seek a better life so i don't appreciate that sort of painting with a broad brush and then you say maybe one really it's a zygo but let's just say okay we should you're suggesting that we should frame all of society around like what what tantamounts to like the planners peanut guy and so like what i'm saying is what about okay are you pro-life then education then uh health care right it seems you conservative all pro-life until that baby exits which is why i have it as a reminder but you said their top three issues were uh women's health care choice uh let me ask you you make that sound like a bad thing what are men's top issues when they come out and vote well that's interesting because there was a recent poll of gen z you know i'm sure you love the young voters i'm sure you want the youngest people basically yeah yeah well when you poll gen z men versus women on what issues are most important then uh the men are putting family as number one and things like security national security patriotism um and then things like money the economy below that women are now putting things like making money um owning a successful business um having equal pay with men uh and abortion rights of course at the top and family down maybe fifth or sixth so it sounds to me like women are saying our priority is health care choice empathy and men want the right to control their family to exclude foreigners and to start more wars no i think what it sounds like is women want to keep the borders open import as many uh people from foreign countries who do not share our values right i don't believe in borders i'm sure you don't but let me ask you this do you value individual liberty uh well that's a loaded question i mean don't you want gay couples to have their guns and weed like don't you want the government to stay out of their business that's such a stupid question because of course i do okay well the fastest way to lose personal liberty is to enfranchise all women to vote and give them equal political power with men because since we've done that the welfare state has grown exponentially you wouldn't even have the welfare state as it exists today were it not for the female vote you would you have open borders like i said you've got people being imported from the entire third world partially because we don't have enough workers because the women aren't having babies anymore and so you fill the country with people from other nations who don't believe in democracy or liberty or rights you get people forming muslim towns where they want sharia law like in the uk or in dearborn yeah but you know women women are the one who vote for you know uh same-sex marriage which is a beautiful thing yes women are we would never have gay marriage without women you're correct you would never have transgenderism without feminism but then you try and twist it and say yeah but you you know you lose these other things which really you're talking about social safety net so i think it's a canard i think what you're going to end up with inevitably by trying to push feminism is less freedom like in the uk where you can be jailed for a facebook post so skyler if a right-wing dictator ends up in power and you post something about hashtag me too on your facebook and they don't vote for you you're going to be jailed for a facebook post so skyler if a right-wing dictator ends up in power and you post something about hashtag me too on your facebook and they don't vote for you you're going to be jailed for a facebook post so skyler if a right-wing dictator ends up in power and you post something about hashtag me too on your facebook and they don't like it like trump i'm sure you think trump is a fascist well i i mean i think trump would tell you he's a fascist yeah so do you want them to be able to do things like arrest you for facebook posts do you want to you know just do away with free speech and gun rights because that's what women tend to vote no you're saying that with the resistance you're the one who sides with the fascist yeah that's the thing you side with the fascist miss pole pot well i just pot your pole because i recognize and respect hierarchy is that the problem you just keep i'll see what you do you're good you are look and of course all women are smart obviously but you are clever you just keep pulling it where you what did you just say i said i respect hierarchy i think it's that's it an intentional part of god okay but that presupposes that the hierarchy let me guess hierarchy for you is men at the top and not not women well not necessarily see this is the thing you assume that i just hate that's what i said the reason i advocate for patriarchy is because it's best for women and i'll tell you why it grants them maximum dignity protection and provision it venerates motherhood it venerates the nature of women which is to be mothers and raise the next generation of american patriots while also endowing them with their proper corresponding duties and responsibilities which keeps them grounded because what what we've seen is the women's liberation movement removes any sort of duty or responsibility if if i were a feminist sitting in front of you and you asked me what responsibilities or duties do you have to anyone outside yourself i probably wouldn't i'd probably do a tommy larin and just give you a deer in the headlights look and be like what are you even talking about you just do stuff for us and we as women just get to have it and what you get out of it is you get to sit there and watch us have it like why is this not good enough for you a real man would love that you know that's not that's not no first off we'll find common ground because tommy larin i mean oh you know i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know If you don't, you know, my mom said if you don't have anything nice to say so i'm not gonna say anything right about tommy larren but it's that it's not our job the job of men to force upon you a duty let me present to you two things you said that it venerates mother what if a woman doesn't want to be a mom so what she shouldn't be venerated she should be vilified just because she wants to run a company like that's a good thing it's also i thought you were i thought you were more conservative i thought you all care about the economy but you don't want female business owners and then and then a point number two point number two is uh that we don't have the right to force duty but you could have a guy who comes home okay he just goes to work that's what he does and she works he comes home what then she's she takes care of the house she takes care of the kids she takes care of uh the house uh the work in the house um the work that goes into the kids sometimes like taking them to school dropping them up what the dad is just comes back and pipe and slippers man you , ideally yeah i mean ideally he comes home from work after a long day of protecting and providing and doing all the things that make motherhood and being a wife possible and keeps women in these look at this beautifully lit studio with the air conditioning i enjoy that i like indoor plumbing i like air conditioning so yes if my man comes home and wants dinner and maybe a cigar and a nice beverage i'm more than happy to bring that to him so that i can continue to enjoy this beautifully technologically built world but let's that's your choice you want to be 12 years of rachel what's that so that's your choice you want to be 12 years of rachel let's not it's good if you want to do it's not right for all women they don't want to be slaves to their husband when he comes home sure but they'll be slaves to their corporate bosses and they'll if a police officer pulls them over they'll probably follow his orders and obey him and they're definitely going to pay their taxes because otherwise the federal government will eventually send guys with guns to their door to put them in prison for not paying their taxes so they obey men all the time unless it's the guy who actually loves them and wants a family with them and is paying all their bills is that what we're talking about well those things are the law because men have to men have to men have to do those things too uh so so do women but men don't have another man saying like hey get my uh whatever you said cigar and drink whatever archaic sort of example you used so we all have to do that only women have all these other responsibilities it's it's the unpaid labor the unpaid labor and you say that like we should venerate that as opposed to like we should be grateful but not force them to do that that's what i think you're you want to force women to do that well first let's talk about women's unpaid labor because this is a socialist idea that uh was propagated in the early days of socialism because socialists realized they're never going to overthrow the you know the bourgeoisie unless they have numbers so they thought if half of women are not you know half of the population women are not working they're just in the home they're only interested in you know uh serving their husband you know the the state will never be their daddy so we've got to mobilize women and get them into the workplace and get them to start seeing themselves they wrote this alexander colentai wrote this in her communist papers that women need to stop seeing themselves as wives and mothers and start seeing themselves as units of labor so there was actually a few different socialists who wrote papers about the women's unpaid labor in a way to mobilize women get them out of the home and get them to work in uh you know factories all day long because that sounds great i don't want to be at home with my children you know playing with them and teaching them and raising them and deciding what i want to do with my day as a housewife uh what do i want to make for dinner how do i want to educate my children what do i want to cover today what are the morals and values i'm going to teach them uh what time do i want to get up and go to bed and all these sort control and have full autonomy over my life and how i run my household but no that's oppression liberation would be going to a factory job or a corporate job every day um and punching the clock when i'm told and uh sending the emails and doing the reports and obeying my boss and sitting down on a weekly to monthly basis with my boss so he can tell me what i need to do and how i need to do it and uh where i'm falling short and everything i i don't understand how this is so liberating i don't want i don't want to interrupt you because i do realize that i i obviously have male privilege but if we could agree for you to not um like talk that long because there was a lot that we have to unpack and i'm not a therapist i would recommend one but congratulations one of your long talking points was just a schedule of stuff you do and no one has a problem with your schedule we have a problem with someone the women who wanted to go work in the factory they weren't able to women do you think wanted to go work and i'm not a woman and stop trying to trick me into speaking on their behalf or do you think it could be do you think and this should appeal to you skyler do you think it could be a coincidence or not that the primary funders of suffrage and the women's liberation movement were people like jp morgan and cornelius vanderbilt the rockefellers the ford foundation people who had a vested interest in getting cheap labor into their big factories and they were able to do that and they were able to do that and they were able to do that and they were able to do that and they were able to do that and they were able to do that you know we're talking about an age of industry in the united states where they're these people are building and expanding infrastructure and factories across the country and they couldn't quite import enough poor irish or chinese workers so they thought hmm let's liberate the women and we can get them all into the factories and since you know it's just cheap unpaid labor we can convince them that this is uh liberating and then those same people met in secret at the income tax okay you don't think that they maybe wanted the income tax at the same time that they're pushing women into factories and into all right into workplaces calm down so they can double the income tax rachel wars info rachel because that's a lot of conspiracies or maybe women wanted the and you know what sometimes it's an unfortunate reality the powerful need to be a voice for the voiceless so you had the wealthy elite who you're right it was kind of like that with occupy wall street and you know what i think it's a good idea to do that and i think it's a good idea to do that and i occupy it's it's weird how a lot of these grassroots movements have these big rich bankers funding them isn't that weird skyler i don't even i don't know if that's true you just said that was true you said sometimes the powerful need to do you know that it could be a lot of european and wall street bankers who funded the bolshevik revolution it could be like that you know it could be like that first off you you mentioned and i just have to tell you it's deeply offensive because i am half irish i'm also half irish workers well and you should know better you should know better than that they have been through a lot and we're in a position now where you know it's not just a laugh like you say on the podcast joe rogan people like that or the the burt chrysler did you miss your adderall dose today i'm going to need you to focus let's go back and talk about the economy because i'm not i'm not pro big pharma all i use is green not money maybe for maybe for you just consider the alcohol alcohol no no no no no maybe i'll call too good sativa clears me right up let's go to the occult stuff did the rockefellers fund that too is that what's going on you're saying they're like what's your because that's the name of your book is a cult and that seems like it's a red herring uh that you're just saying something that's not like seems to me your problem is with women voting because more women vote for progressive policies like the choice of women is not the choice of women it's the choice of women and i think that's the choice of bodily autonomy like compassion for immigrants it's not funny it's not it's not a laughing matter you're right i'm sorry like health care you know things that benefit everybody seem like that's your really your gripe and you should just come out and say it and instead you say oh it's like it's a cult it's a cult what's the basis for that well the basis for that is that uh when i started researching all of the biggest feminists of the 18th and 19th century the women who really started this as a political organization i wanted to understand their lives and their worldviews and where they were coming from and why this was important to them and i was shocked to find that almost all of them the vast majority were very much against christianity thought it was patriarchal and oppressive and many of them openly declared lucifer as their um liberator and you don't have to take my word for it you can read a phd thesis by a professor named perfax kneld out of norway who himself is a professor at the university of england and he's a professor at the university of england and he himself is a luciferian but agrees with me that uh lucifer was the liberator of the 19th century feminists and we look at women like elizabeth katie stanton i didn't prepare for that who wrote a book called the woman's bible in the preface she says she doesn't believe god is real she doesn't you can get it on amazon today oh i think i will yeah it was actually so popular she wrote it with uh like 17 other suffragists three of whom were lesbian pastors so that was already a thing even in 1895 um it's weird because if women were oppressed it seems strange that they were allowed to start you know live in open lesbian relationships and start churches and get funding for that seems a little weird if they were so oppressed not sure how they pulled that off kind of like mary wolstencraft in the late 1700s hanging out with thomas pain in circles of male intellectuals uh having affairs out of wedlock engaging in threesomes with her an employer and uh you know being paid to tour europe and speak i've seen you right about so clearly these women were not as fast as we've been led to believe because nobody jailed them nobody flogged them nobody beat them They were allowed to do this. They were promoted. Thank Gaia that nobody did flog them. And I will tell you, you said you studied all the greatest, the greats. Did you just say thank Guy? Gaia. Stop trying to be cute. And I don't believe in heaven. I believe that we make our own heaven and hell. But if you studied the greatest, then if there was a heaven, for a simplistic way you could understand, then Gloria Steinem is in the top ring. And I just hope that you put some respect on her corpse. But going back to this idea that, that sounds to me like women who were sexually liberated but had to do it in secret. That's what that sounds like to me. But they didn't do it in secret. And I'm glad, and now they can do it in public. They were openly living in lesbian relationships. No, it was. Who? It was frowned upon. You just say it. Give me a name. Reverend, I can't remember her name. Let's look. It's right here. Reverend Phoebe something or other. And you mentioned the other one who was a lesbian. There were three, yes. There were three. That were on the editorial. The editorial board for the women's Bible. And. That's right. This came from the women's Bible, which. I think it was Reverend Phoebe Hanover. I think that you just need to, I think you just need to have more people, more input into the women's Bible. Because if you only had heterosexual women, or heteronormative women, sorry. Yes. Then you would have, it would just look like a man. This was actually already a thing. A lot of people think the woke stuff is new. But in 1840, Margaret Fuller was already writing about gender as a spectrum. And that nobody was fully womanized. Women are men. And that you could kind of, you know, pick what you wanted. And I don't know if you've ever seen a picture of Susan B. Anthony. Or if you've ever read her letters to her female friends where she's talking about wanting to, you know, kiss them in their nether regions and things like that. So there was a lot of lesbians involved. Nether region. Susan B. Anthony never said that. I mean, it was the Victorian era. She couldn't, you know. Yeah. She couldn't say it the way we say it now. That's just gross. I mean, it's not gross. If you look, whatever you want to do. It's actually very funny. It's empowering. Whatever you want to do. I mean, it's gross. You should go back and read it. It's kind of a. I've read it. And I always, always, whenever I go to Rite Aid and it says, do you want to give Roundup to Susan B. Anthony Foundation? I say, yes. I'm sure you do. You know, that was one of my biggest criticisms of President Trump was when he gave her the pardon. And, you know. Sometimes I just go back to buy something more so I can round up again. Yeah. Yeah. I think Trump is way too pro. Pro-feminism and too pro-gay. Well, you say too pro-feminism. What do you mean by that? Well, he keeps trying to hire women into executive positions and it backfires on him almost every single time. And it's like, come on, President Trump. When are you going to learn your lesson? Stop hiring all these women. And he had a program to send mothers back to work. Him and Ivanka created this program to get the mothers back to work as soon as possible. And I'm like, why? Maybe if they had done that with Lindsay Clancy, we wouldn't be sitting here having this discussion. Everyone needs help. If the mothers don't raise their children, who raises the children? A village. Because that's what it takes. So. That's what it takes. So another, just another lady, a different lady who's not the mom. That we pay her like 15 bucks an hour and this random lady who has no vested interest in your children's well-being spends 80% of their waking hours with them instead of mom. So that mom can go and work for a corporation. No. No. They spend more time. With the group or school of ladies as opposed to one lady that is mom. And that's better. Do you know why? Why? Because it's more ladies and ladies are the best of us. Well, you know what? We should think about the fact that before we sent all the women into the workforce in huge numbers in the 1970s, prior to that, for all of human history, the village did raise the children. The women were all home together. So this is why it's so difficult nowadays for women to have a larger family and stay at home. Home is, it is isolating because all the other women are at work. Whereas prior to women's liberation, your mother was home. Your sisters were home. Your neighbors were home. Your cousins were there. We had community. The women would do things together. They would raise the children together. They would teach the children together. You had a community. Now we don't have that. We have corporate work environments managed by nightmarish HR ladies. That's what we traded all of that family and community for HR. And here's the thing. You say this in factories. Okay. Okay. But let's be real here. Now, it has yielded good results. I mean, women own close to like, is it half of the businesses? About 40% of U.S. business ventures are now owned by women. So you do have to acknowledge that when given the opportunity, women now are able to flourish. Where it's still, it's not, and you know what? It's almost half, which we're not there yet. But it's better than the world that you want us to live in. Well, I don't know because we have this major problem, which is that even though, as you stated, about 40% of U.S. business ventures are now owned by women, those 40% only generate somewhere around 5% to 7% of all business revenue. I don't think that's good for the economy. Do you think that's good for the economy? Well, that's because to you people, everything's about money. That's not the only reason you go into business. You know, maybe you do it as a passion, right? Like maybe you paint, you open a flower shop. So what were the numbers that you gave? It was about 40%. So 40% of U.S. I brought that up. I wasn't willing to remember. If you want to be the most charitable, Wells Fargo released a report in 2025 that says it's about 6.7% of all business revenue generated by that 40%. So we're talking about what? 93 plus percent of all of the other business revenue is still generated by men. Yeah. Well, you know what? And if you look at the GDP numbers. Also, this is generated by men. Clear cut the forest. If you look at the GDP, it's even worse. Drilled and still ruined the shrimp in the Gulf. So what you say is a great thing. These robber barons, like maybe let the women have a try. Maybe it won't just be revenue based. Maybe it'll be, you know, empathetic. Well, you're right, because about 80% of psychology degrees are now earned by women. And this field is so incredibly oversaturated that almost none of them can even make enough money to pay back their college loans. Women now also hold the majority of college loan debt in this country. Do you think it's good? To saddle young women with. What was that? Women in this country now hold over 60% of all college debt. Oh, so you don't like that women are getting educated? I don't like that we're saddling young women with massive quantities of debt when they're in their early 20s, because it's another big thing that discourages them from wanting to have children and start a family. So you'd rather them just not get educated? I think. Don't get educated there, right? Do you think that I'm educated? Do I seem educated to you? Like, I kind of know some things. Like, I have a handle on, you know, the subject matter we're talking about. I'm well informed. I think that you are a wind-up toy for the patriarchy and one Mr. Andrew Wilson. Luckiest lady in the world for that. You're right about that. With luck like that, who needs enemies? Right? I don't know. I seem pretty happy. Let's grant it. Okay. So you are. So you just want to. Slam the door behind you. You don't want other women to get educated. That's why I have a problem with the debt. But here's the thing. What if we just made school free? I educated myself. What if we made school free? I didn't go to college, Skyler. I only went to high school. And I even had a scholarship. And I turned down the scholarship because I wanted to start a family and have kids instead. And somehow I still, you know, it turned out okay. And I'm pretty smart. We have now many ways to educate ourselves that do not involve college and college debt. And the reason college is so expensive and you need to. To go into debt for it is because of all the. I don't know if you saw Steven Crowder. He just did this debate with a college professor. Brilliant. Love him. He's hilarious. So funny. I wouldn't waste my time. He pointed out that, you know, college wouldn't be so expensive if we weren't subsidizing the crap out of it and incentivizing continually raising the rates and giving everybody loans. And that's why everybody is getting six figures of debt to get a college education. And most women choose majors in college that don't. Make money, which is why women now get 60 percent of every tax dollar that goes toward college education. Right. But men still pay 60 to 75 percent of all taxes because men tend to go into fields that actually produce things and make money. And women tend to go into fields just like they do in business that don't make money. And like you said, our passion projects. Right. Fine. But why do we need to send them to college and get them into debt to do things like start a flower shop? Do they need a business? No. I didn't. I was an example. Come on. I mean, so now we agree. Just make college free. Problems all will pay for it. Then it'll be free. OK. Brilliant. Do I need to grab a dictionary? No, no. I think I've got it. So you don't want women to work. You don't want women to vote. You don't want women to get. Now, wait. I didn't say I don't want women to work. So I don't want mothers to go to work outside the home because they already have a job, which is being a mom. Being a mother. And that's a full time, 24/7 job. Well, is it unpaid? Because my husband pays all my bills. I don't have to pay my bills. Yeah, you're completely dependent. That's that's codependence. And it's toxic. If I go to work at a job so that I can pay my bills, am I dependent on that job and that employer? No, you're independent. Really? So if I'm working, I don't need a man. But the statistics we just talked about almost. ensure that my boss will be a man if I'm working for a company. company that makes any money at all so yeah but it's but it's a man who's paying you it's not a man who's not paying you like your your husband's not paying you the boss is paying you so right that's don't you think one's not cool don't you think it could be actually a lot more of a reliable dependable situation to have a husband and to you know there's things like life insurance um you could do what i did and slowly like work toward a goal such as writing a best-selling book while you're raising kids you know in your spare time i have a friend who earned a degree while her children were growing up it took her 10 years so it took a little longer but she went part-time she didn't have to get saddled with any debt and now her youngest has graduated from school she has a degree she can go start working now she's only she started uh early like me we both had our first child at 20 so now we're 45 years old our kids are grown up and moved out and we still probably have another 20 to 30 years that if we want to participate in the workforce we can do you know what i mean? i know that we used to have laws that uh when women were married a lot of times their contracts would stipulate that if they became married they would no longer be employed and their contract would end i'm sure you think that's oppressive yeah yeah well the reason for that was because since there were not that many jobs that were suitable for women you know there's a limit no no there were a lot there were a lot of jobs women were blocked from doing well we'll talk about that in a second but the reason was to keep some of those positions open for young single women who hadn't been married yet older women who were widowed other women that for whatever reason never were married so that they had a means to support themselves because the married women were protected under coverture law they were not allowed to be held responsible for financially supporting themselves they were not allowed to have debt in their name but they were allowed to spend their husband's money and they were entitled to be supported by their husband under coverture law so again we have this feminist framing that makes coverture sound like it was this terrible oppressive thing when really there was a big protective element so that women could become mothers yeah but he didn't have to what do you mean he didn't have to the cover the cover overture he didn't have to he wasn't like he that's what you say why didn't they hire you say why didn't they hire like older people that's because back in the day the men were working the office and they want a secretary they could play grab ass with and then leave their wife who did all this unpaid labor sayonara as he they used to say and then he's gone and she's left with nothing that's why we have divorce laws that we do so you say it but the truth is there's no guarantee well there's some problems with what you just said to unfortunately because 75 of all divorces are initiated by women these days ever since we had no fault divorce this has been the case but the problem is that they don't have to stay in abuse any well but what we did was we shifted the abuse from married relationships where your husband and wife and there are legal statutes and responsibilities that the husband has to now people just cohabitating and if you are like most americans living in a cohabitative relationship just living with your boyfriend or girlfriend you are at a 40 higher risk of domestic violence than your married counterparts so the abuse like bad things happen the abuse got shifted into unmarried relationships and there's one more big problem here and uh kind of like what body cams did for um you know allegations of police no only targeting certain groups uh women at cell phones and men being able to record their fights with women have demonstrated and we have studies now that say that in non-reciprocal domestic violence relationships where it's just one person it's not both people hitting each other or abusing each other if it's non-reciprocal the woman is the aggressor 70 of the time well that's today that's today what i'm talking about is back in the day if a man did it and then he run off with the secretary he didn't nothing happened there were no consequences uh that's not true uh we socially ostracized those men especially if they failed to still provide for their family so coverture law would hold the man responsible they would say you're still legally responsible for not only providing for your children but also for your wife and if you don't do that you can be taken to court and we can you know garnish wages and things just like they do now uh you could also be jailed in some places it depends because laws are regional they go by state and locality but men were held responsible for that and women also had um community and church support for things like uh being widowed being divorced or abandoned uh the church was typically charged with supporting widows and abandoned wives i don't believe in organized religion i'm sure you don't so things are you're barking up the wrong bonsai i guess so but can we go back to you wanted to talk about yeah you want to go back to 1920s and you said the men and the fishing boats and stuff like that um well i mean if we got to go back to the 1920s why not just the 30s why not the 15s 20s i mean why why limit ourselves here well i'm just saying i'm not the one you're the one who wants to limit but you want okay sorry you want to go back i don't really want to go back it's not about going back but if we look at the way things are now women have had at least 100 years that they've been completely allowed to do whatever they want any type of job they want uh we've had 50 years of affirmative action and dei pushing women into stem pushing women into traditionally male occupied jobs and what we see is that all of the dirty dangerous difficult jobs the infrastructure jobs that build and maintain first world conditions that allow women to be feminists are still occupied by men and i would say i'll believe women that they want equality when they are willing to sign up for all those dirty dangerous and difficult jobs men still are the only ones who are dying at work for the most part almost all workplace deaths are male um so when are we going to get justice for those men well no they only just that's choice why are the women pick why aren't the women well why aren't the women flocking to high paying dangerous jobs well no one's saying they have to so i think that's a good example of women making again the best among us the smarter decision and working a job where they're less likely to be injured men are willing to do it so i don't i don't understand your point so the next time there's a hurricane about to approach florida right now well there always is yeah so if uh the wind and the storm and the flood waters you know power and infrastructure destroy property people are trapped in floodwaters do you think we're finally going to see the women getting out there and rescuing no no because they choose not to well why should they be allowed to choose not to someone's got to do that job and it seems like we just tell men they have to do it because if the men don't do it who's going to do it well we're probably gonna it's probably automated soon yeah yeah i'm sure we'll have robots going out into floodwaters and rescuing people who are you ever see the movie twister no with uh about tornadoes they released like it was a robot i'm sorry i'm sorry i thought you said twister i misunderstood i'm sorry twist her okay uh they released a robot and then they're a bunch of little robots that go in like my point is they can even study storms that way and do you know who the best twister was a woman i'm sure i'm sure hollywood only completely accurately represents my point a woman with a rope you have to say a woman with two robots is stronger than a man do they say that wow i've never heard that one i've heard it said skylar why do you think it is that even though women have been allowed to be fully enfranchised in the military and allowed to do anything in active combat that a man can do for 13 years now we still don't have a single navy seal or a marine raider and only a handful of any women who've made it into special ops uh well that's because of the ringing of the test the tests that they require for those like you have plenty of women in the army you have plenty of women who are in the uh we got bigger we got better maternity suits for women stretchier for if they were pregnant in the air force which was a great step forward yeah uh you can thank biden for that um and people like they like to crap on it but he did a lot of good things that's one of them but with the navy seal if you look at the tests um they're obviously biased to favor men so that's why you could make the test different and more women who get through but it's men in control of the test so like you're right yeah you're right you got me on that one that's the only rate like maybe if you made the test more appropriate like like uh you know um empathy and you know the ability to multitask as opposed to carry everything for long distances so if we based it more on emotional intelligence that's an important component of battle yeah it's an important and i hate war all war i just think you know the truth is if women were in charge we wouldn't have wars that's you know interesting because historically they found that female rulers are more likely to go to war and be aggressors with their military than i don't think that's true well it is true i guess you'll have to ask jubilee to fact check that one too you're saying that female rulers were more likely yeah they were more likely to aggress and go to war historically yeah so sorry again i don't know how that why i mean why would that well i think i think the reason is because no men ultimately have the monopoly on force even female rulers rely on men to enforce their leadership right you don't send an army of women to go enforce the law if you're a rule you don't send an army of women to go invade the neighboring country or defend your borders so they still ultimately depend on male force and i think that women are much more likely to go yeah sure send the men to battle Sure. had to fight each other they grow up wrestling punching each other and they're they're a little more hesitant because they know how bad it can get you know what i mean men are the ones who do the fighting so they're a little bit more restrained in using force whereas women if it's just men doing force and it's just conceptual it's like yeah send them into war so that would be my hypothesis well then why do men commit more uh murder than women well that's another thing that you hear all the time but what you don't hear is that the majority of men are also the victims of violent crime so it tends to be the men doing violent stuff to each other yes some men do violent crimes against women but when force is equalized we find that women when they have the monopoly on force are every bit as likely if not more likely to aggress the men for example in juvenile prisons of all the children they did a big study on this which i have a reference for on my sub stack if you want to jubilee fact check it okay uh they took a study of juvenile prisons and any time that there was abuse reported by the kids who were in the juvenile prisons and 93 percent of the offenders were women who were in charge so like female jail staff so when when women have the monopoly on force they're every bit as likely if not more likely than men to use it against someone smaller or weaker than they are well that's one of those things i guess there would be no way to know yeah except for those studies well there'd be no way to know because we haven't really tried it we haven't tried women in charge so there's like a few but not enough you don't think that women are in charge of a lot right now i mean didn't we that's interesting what do you mean we have a female secretary of defense didn't we have don't we have i didn't see a female president i didn't see please welcome mrs president to the united states well england had a female prime minister yeah yeah yeah i'm not not wasn't what about like all the women who run countries right now like new zealand had a female dictator during covid who locked new zealand down tighter than a drum i mean she saved new zealand right she saved new zealand from covid she did that was a thing during covid men were more concerned with uh you know being able to continue to do their stuff selfishly women were the ones who were willing to make the sacrifice and uh and stay home president of mexico's a woman right uh the uh the jewish one yeah yeah yeah uh how's that going like with the cartels and the violence and everything in mexico well i think most of the cartels are men so right but if they have a female leader why hasn't she been able to you know like get a handle on that and protect everybody from cartel violence patriarchy oh okay it's the patriarchy that goes to patriarchy roams the halls strong people say yeah yeah how long uh before you think we get true equality and what does that look like you know that's actually a very fair question and i will give what i believe to be the most fair answer okay uh you say equality uh i say as it relates to women's rights or women's power the only right answer is more is more and what i can say about right now is it's not enough it's not enough you say women are what well a secretary of state i think you said what else would you say women are in charge of because you look at like men like you said they they have most of the businesses they make most of the revenue they're the ones in positions of military power uh like a lot of the big banks so what are women in charge of now for you to be so hasty well first of all i wanted to remind you that you said the only reason women aren't in charge of those things is because they don't want to so let's just not forget that part that doesn't sound like something i would say right uh well i think uh it's a pretty big deal right now that in a lot of states a woman can still kill a man's unborn baby and he has absolutely no say so in the matter i mean that seems like a pretty big power move to do like you know why are you so afraid of the fact that only women can create life well i'm not what about let's explore that what about that's why i think that's the most protective for women and children and they're the primary benefit so let's so you would rather so okay well let's just grant all this you would rather in a situation right now where we've made so much progress i mean it took you know one step back obviously with the supreme court decision and now they basically banned abortion in the country um but we made a lot of progress and you would strip that choice from women what would you do okay if a woman's pregnant and she's not ready you would have the man decide you you he'd have choice over her body i walk me through that well i personally wouldn't want to make it legal for anybody to kill a child just because of where it's located which is inside a woman's body the child has its own body that it that it you know my body my choice bodily autonomy right now let's say you're in a place you know let's say more progressive like europe where abortion is allowed people like you think i haven't been in in charge but you would want the man to make that decision i think the man should at least have a say so because the child is 50 percent his genetics it takes two to tango you know you hear women talk about men impregnating them and all this other stuff and it's like yeah so if if we're going to expect men to pay half and support children once they're born and all these other things uh why don't men have any sort of reproductive freedom if we're always talking about women's reproductive freedom really it's just they want the right to kill a man's baby i'll just be frank and the reason i know this is because i came up with a hypothetical a few years ago that i've asked women in debates multiple times i think i've asked it seven or eight times to different ladies and then to a whole panel of women on the whatever podcast i asked what if they came up with new technology you know they're talking about artificial wombs what if elon musk creates like artificial wombs right and um i wouldn't trust if he's making that but and you go in to get your abortion and they say good news miss smith we can take this embryo this fetus you know let's say you're 10 weeks along this 10 week old fetus and we actually have a new option you no longer have to kill the baby you can just have it implanted into this artificial womb you won't have any legal obligations to it you won't have any moral obligations to it you'll never even have to meet it or know that it exists uh would you like to do that or do you want to go with the old-fashioned just kill it thing you know kill it option every single woman i have asked has said that the woman should still have the option to kill it even if they have the other option now how do you explain that what would be the logic there other than women just want control and power to decide which men reproduce choice yeah choice of which men get to have offspring it's still choice so it's power so it's never been about equality to me it's always about power because women don't want equal they don't want equal duties here's something what if in order to vote like men do women had to sign up for the selective service what if they had mandatory community or military service you've got to serve your country for two years in order to earn the right to vote whether you're a man or a woman do you think more men would do it or do you think more women would do it i don't understand how that's relevant to the uh point or well i'm just saying why are we only ever talking about rights and never talking about duties or responsibilities aren't we all adults because only one group hasn't had rights that's why that group doesn't have any responsibilities either like what are women's duties uh whichever they choose choice right and what are men's duties well to go back to the abortion uh thing where you said he doesn't have uh he does have a choice in whether or not he uh chooses to sa uh the woman and if he doesn't then he's but if he then he needs to take care of that that because that's his responsibility so that would be one right right right who do you think should be settled with the duty of protecting women and children um you think that should be equally distributed among men and women or is that men's i don't believe in the use of force so if women weren't if you don't believe in self-defense either well if women were in charge we wouldn't need the use of force that's that's the thing the whole world that you're creating this paradigm is based around how men have done it where it was it's fighting and it's war and i want your you know plot of land or whatever it is if women are able to see the best in us that's why they are they are for the the the underclass for the marginalized i mean if you look at any of these issues whether it's lgbt whether it's black lives matter whether it's uh actually being a nation without borders to support people who are who are fleeing horrible lives for better lives women's see the best in people and so if we applied that universally then we wouldn't need to be talking about the use of force we wouldn't need to be talking about duty women see the best in people you think yeah okay what about the lady in north texas who was just arrested for trying to stab her three and ten-year-olds and her husband had to jump in and ended up getting stabbed trying to protect the children from her well not all women okay so do you think it was that father's duty to protect his children from their mother i think I think it's in that extreme scenario, which is incredibly rare, unbelievable. rare it's the duty of whoever can i don't think it's a man duty or a woman so when ice is trying to arrest known criminal undocumented people thank you um and women are jumping in front of their cars trying to protect the suspected child rapist from ice like do you think that it's wrong that that men don't have a duty to find predators in society and to arrest them in jail or deport them do you think that those predators are always men right so if we didn't if that's the thing is if women were in charge we wouldn't have as many predators so we just eliminate men no they wouldn't want to be predators they wouldn't want to be because they would follow the wise guidance of women there are actually female separatist extremists who do think we should limit the male population to about 10 of what it is now i'm starting to think that yeah yeah you might like them you should probably read their stuff um but you think that if women are in charge men just won't want to do bad things i think trying it's probably better than what we have now that's what i think and again you haven't really addressed what we have now which is women attacking men attacking children being violent and then when they are taken to court and tried they are much easily much more easily gotten off the hook by things like postpartum deportation you know i was taking a medication whereas when we see men do violent crimes we don't see people raising a million dollars on gofundme we don't see them getting off because of hormones oh it's my trt i can't be held responsible for what i did we don't see that with men so that seems weird it seems like we have a dual justice system where we've got one set of standards for men that's really high and they've got all these duties and responsibilities and expectations and women just get all the liberation and all the equality and even the dei and the affirmative action and they also get far more lenient sentences for the same crimes as men and there's tons of studies on this there's multiple studies on this again you can go to my sub stack have jubilee fact check it for the exact same crimes with similar circumstances women are far more likely to not even get jail time and only get probation they get about 40 percent lighter sentencing than men do on average and they're not even getting jail time and only get probation and that doesn't sound like equality to me so are we talking about equality or are we talking about no that's a situation where women are um put on pedestals and given all kinds of special exceptions for things and nothing is expected of them and they have no duties and no responsibilities and could this be why we're seeing women start to act really crazy and and insane and feral could this be the reason why you go on tiktok and you see horrors beyond your comprehension and you see horrors beyond your comprehension and you see horrors beyond your you have any proof that women are completely insane do you have any more proof that women are more crazy yes i do no have you are you aware of the statistics of how many women are on psychiatric medications compared to men and that they're diagnosed with mental illnesses at about three times the rate men are and that's a historic thing that goes back at least 100 years since we've been keeping track so regardless of all of the innovations in treatment and all the female psychologists and psychiatrists and the ssris and the anxieties that are going on in the world uh 25 to 26 percent of american women are on at least one psychiatric drug like i said about three times more than men that's their choice well it is their choice but i don't think it demonstrates that these are the people that we really want in charge of everything uh unless they choose to so time for closing statements okay uh sounds to me like you want to take us back to women having the vote and you like them pregnant and barefoot in the kitchen um and men deciding what happens with women's bodies but uh in your own layout for me because you say women don't have uh responsibilities and duties layout for me in rachel's perfect world you know handmaid's tale what the responsibilities and duties would be for men and women what you think would be the best system sure so i've i said in my opening here that christian patriarchy is the best system for both men and for women because it takes into account god's design for both men and women our ontological differences our tautological differences and something called telos which is just meaning and purpose women have a different meaning and purpose than men do we are not interchangeable widgets we're not exactly the same not all women can have children but only women can have children not all men can defend the nation but only men can defend the nation these are biological differences that we are not going to overcome i don't think you can even produce robots or technology that's going to overcome it i guess if that happens we can get to it then but as it stands now we just went over a ton of facts and a ton of data proving that these differences are still there and they're still meaningful and they still run the world so if we're going to give men the duties of building and maintaining the infrastructure of the world of being persons and property and that women cannot do those things i don't think it's just that they choose not to i think it's that they physically cannot do those things uh and that men physically cannot uh bear children and nurse them some can right sorry i didn't want to but i just wanted that's one because i got i have a friend but go ahead yeah yeah um that we should the responsibilities women should have is to produce the next generation of human beings i don't think that only men should have duties and responsibilities and women just get perks and freedoms i think that when you do that to any group of people and i think we can look at other groups where we take away the duties and the responsibilities and we tell them only about what they deserve and what their rights are and that they've been oppressed and so therefore they're deserving what you get from those groups is the worst possible version of those people and i think that's what we're seeing with women i think that's why people are looking at tiktok and they're looking at instagram and they're looking at mothers trying to strangle and stab children and they're like what is going on here and i think we've taken women's best qualities as mothers and nurturers and builders of community and family and we have perverted it and told them only about what they deserve and that they don't have duties to anyone outside themselves and that their only responsibility is their own personal happiness as fleeting as that may be and that you get the worst possible version of women in your life and i think that's what we're seeing with women and i think that's what we're seeing with women and i think that's what we're seeing with women in doing that they are less happy we have two major studies one is global um the paradox of female happiness and the happiness female happiness paradox which show that women to the degree that they are liberated we have to ask ourselves what from you would say the evil patriarchy i would say the benevolent christian patriarchy and their god-given duties and and purposes bring me back into this you're closing right right i think that uh if we put things back in their proper place and we give women dignity and we give women dignity and we give women dignity and we give women dignity and we give women dignity and we give women dignity and we give women dignity we give them protection and provision we give them um positive reinforcement for following their natural god-given duties and responsibilities to community to family to people outside themselves we get the kind of women that we can love and respect again and we get women who are happier and have purpose-filled lives and don't you know spend their whole day watching true crime drama and inventing ways that you know female murderers act in a way that they don't want to act in a way that they don't want to act in a way that they don't want to act in a way that they don't want to act in a way that they don't want to actually aren't responsible and it was the failure of a man somewhere and all the craziness that we're dealing with now we don't get in infanticide and mass genocide of unborn children on a global scale one-third of gen z has been aborted that's one-third of a generation that never got to be born and we don't know what kind of innovation um and wonderful things could have come from those people because they never got a chance to be born and it was all in the name of of women's liberation and now the entire globe is dropping to the ground and it's all in the name of women's liberation and it's all in the name of women's liberation and we're going to see um programs like made the canadian um assistance and dying program the japanese have a similar program we're starting to euthanize older people uh disabled people babies sounds a lot like the action t4 program that a certain guy with a mustache that might rival yours had and you know we think that was bad we don't like it that he had that program yet we're doing basically the same thing we've basically resorted to eugenics in the name of female empowerment so i think this is a massive massive mistake i think it's unsustainable and will ultimately be tossed into the dustbin of history as a terrible failure and a silly idea that we once had and thank god it's over but that's just you know my opinion ladies and gentlemen of the jury pregnant and barefoot 1920s that's where she wants to return you it's clear as day it's not clear in here now but it'll clear up in a bit uh anecdotal anecdotal everything she said is anecdotal what about look so you're just gonna pretend you didn't hear all my statistics pardon me sorry go ahead these are my closing statements i don't want to interrupt the patriarchy deeply personal i'm very respectful of men you know so thank you even spiritually free female men like yourself. And. I'm not going to do the anecdotal. I think it's important that we root this in truth as well as empathy. And that's the yin and the yang. That we can have both of them. You know what actually reminds me of this? See that right there. That is a bonsai tree. Like my sensei said about, he said, it will grow if the roots are strong. And we've been growing the wrong way because we've tried it with patriarchy as my colleague so vociferously wants us to continue. But it tells me that there's something wrong with the roots. And one thing we do know, there's a lot we don't know. There's a lot. There's a lot that I don't know. I'll have to go do research. And I know you mentioned your book. And out of respect, we'll make sure people know that. But one thing that we do know is that the roots of women tried growing with those roots. So if we grow with those roots, you will end up with a beautiful bonsai. And I appreciate you taking the time. Also. 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