Desperate Trump Endorses Genocide

What's up, what's up, everybody? Welcome to a brand new episode of part of the problem. I am Dave Smith. He is Robby the Fire Burnstein. What's up, buddy? How are you? Where are you? What are you? I can't answer that last one. Out in Cleveland, flying home shortly and then I got Stratham New Hampshire on Thursday and then you and I. We got Portland all weekend. Oh, yes, Portland, Maine, of course, which is it is this is the, I think the most beautiful time of year to go up there or maybe we just missed it. It's a nice foliage. Yeah, maybe we just missed it. It might be done up there because I got to say it's like 70% of the leaves are down here. So now that I'm thinking about it, we're not going up there the best time of year at all. We're going up there for everyone to be like, Oh, you missed it. It was so beautiful two weeks ago. But I am very much looking forward to that. And then what, oh, and then San Diego is the other big one that we got coming up after that American comedy company. Comic Dave Smith dot com for all those tickets, porch tour dot com for all the Rob's dates. Okay, so let's get into some ish. I almost, okay, it is now Rob. This is Monday. This is the Monday episode. This is where we bring it. Tuesday, 50, 50 Wednesday. I always phone it in. But Monday, we're on top of our game. Okay. And Monday, this, this week, we are two weeks until the midterm elections. So I think Wednesday, two weeks from Wednesday. So I mean, just was thinking about this, you know, this morning as we do like our first show of the week. And the other thing I think is being like crazy under reported for some reason. And I am not the Rob, I'm not like the expert in this. Someone could break this down much better than me. But we have really radically transformed the way we do voting in this country. It's something that Donald Trump kind of bitched in moaned in 2020 about and then made a very controversial stink about saying the election was stolen. But if you remember Rob, he spent three months up until the election of 2020, just bitching about how this is going to be stolen and just going, hey, this is right for corruption, this vote. But it's something like I read the other day that it's something like 50% of people don't vote 50% of voters don't vote in person now. And to be clear, millions of people have already cast their vote in the midterm elections. And the reason why I just say that this matters is that I think to some degree, people do hold out like maybe something big happens right before like in the next two weeks, maybe something big happens that changes the dynamics here. But just to be clear, for millions of votes, they've already voted. We're already in the midterm election essentially. It's been this whole month. And so I don't know, all the forecasts just seem to look pretty clear that the Republicans have lost the house and they might lose the Senate as well. But that's already the whole game. That's already all these, you know, indictments and impeachments and subpoenas are going to dominate the next two years. Yeah, well, you know, in a world of online ordering people not showing up to places from what I read online, I guess less people are sociable, don't go to bars, stay at home, scroll social media. It would make sense that with COVID going on and discovering, oh, I can just mail this in instead of showing up to a place waiting in a line and going through the hassle that that converted a lot of people's behavior patterns to just being like, I'll just fill this out and mail it in. I get that. Yes. And, you know, there's something more, more broadly speaking, there's something about democracy that is, you know, I think, I was going to say it blows people's minds, but it blew my mind, I guess, when I first started reading about this, when you read that like all of the founding fathers hated democracy and that all of the great philosophers throughout time hated democracy and that it was total consensus amongst like the entire like in it was almost the entire post like enlightenment world still there was debate about democracy like it's it's not it's taken almost as a religious article of faith in our paradigm or at least it was for most of our lives that it's like, no, that's what makes the government of the people anything else is slavery, but democracy is freedom and that's a really dubious claim. Like if you just think about it for a few moments, you just be like the majority rule isn't like inherently any of that. You know, if 55% of people vote to enslave 45% of them, it's not like that all the sudden means that because anyway and also that's never how it really works. But anyway, I guess the the broader point is that when you live within the context of certainly everyone in academia, everyone on TV, everyone in Hollywood, every teacher, every person in a position of power for our whole lives would take the position that democracy is good. No one's questioning that, right? Like that's just a given that a threat to a democracy would be bad and strengthening our democracy would be good. That's kind of the American context, the Western context, post-World War Two. Maybe post-World War One, I should say. And when you're in that context, it's very hard, damn near and possible to ever argue that any expansion of democracy is bad. What do you mean? Like obviously women's suffrage was good. You know, obviously like women getting the voting right was good and black people getting the voting right was good and felons getting the voting right is good and expanding making it easier for people to vote is good and making someone show an idea or prove their citizenship must be bad. More democracy is always good. And it's very hard. You see this, it's very hard for like Republicans to argue against that within the context of obviously were pro democracy because it seems like you're against the most, but the bottom line is if you just think it through for a second, how can you honestly with a straight face argue? If I were to say to you, Rob, I've got a program to increase the number of illiterate voters we get out this year. People who can't read and write, I'm going to get them out to the voting booth. Who could, you just have to be in a religious crazy land to think that's a good for anyone, right? But like democracy almost forces you into this part of why is it good for low information voters to vote? Why is it good for fascists or socialists or whoever to have the voting rebel hawks or whatever? It's like this whole thing rests on a completely unjustified premise. And anyway, it's just kind of interesting to see this, this dynamic where I think it's at least that philosophical stuff is at least part of the reason why Republicans have been so neutered to actually push back against this radical change in the way we do voting. Yeah, we've made it much easier. That favors Democrats. Everyone knows this. And they're unwilling to push back really. Um, well, I think it's a, a little word, the Republicans have to prove fraud. And until they prove fraud, it's just, uh, you just have the loose claim of this system can be, uh, defrauded. And it does seem a little bit crazy with, uh, the way that I have to exist in my life with an identification everywhere I go that for the activity of voting, it's as simple as you can get a letter fail, uh, fill it in and send it back, uh, in terms of, uh, making the voting voting base larger and making it easier for it at it's two vote, um, I kind of take the other side of that, which is I agree with you that democracy is probably a stupid system. But within, if you're going to have that, I think everyone needs a right to representation because otherwise you end up with a ruling class that will just take from them. And so even like the world's biggest idiots, at least they're voting in what they, uh, someone's lying to them, but they're voting for what they think is in their interest. And the more that you limit the voting base, the more that that becomes the ruling class that will just kind of take from the other people. 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And in fact, I would also concede that, you know, oftentimes elections have been the only weapon that kind of like the people have left. Is that they can punish you in an election or they could say so it's like, I'm not saying that there's not some value in that. And certainly, like look, Mises had arguments for why democracy allows the transfer of power without civil war and there's important, I guess it's just like, if you have something where like, you have to vote, but you got to go down to your local public school or wherever they're holding elections to cast a vote. And there's just this little bit of a barrier of like, you got to care enough to put on a pair of pants and go do something and they're like, we're going to remove that barrier. We're going to make it so there's no, I don't see why that's inherently good. I particularly from say like the perspective of somebody who's anti war or somebody who's pro-liberty, which we are, I kind of want as many people who are anti war and pro-liberty voting and as few people who aren't doing it. You know, like, now I'm not saying there should be any policy, I'm not really like disagreeing with you in a substantive way, like there should be this policy or that policy. I'm more just saying that like, when you have a party that even just more explicitly, well, I was going to say the Democrats are promising welfare, but I guess Donald Trump is literally the one out there promising $5,000. So let's be fair, but generally speaking, the party of like, we'll give you welfare, we'll give you more of this, they're all racist. This plays very well to the lowest demographic and when I say that, I just mean like the lowest IQ, the least informed demographic, that plays really well to them. And Republicans have a really hard time arguing why they have to kind of look, it's famous that throughout history, barriers of entry have been used in oppressive ways for democratic processes, you know, literacy tests that turned into a little more than just basically we're going to keep black people out of the voting booths. These are things that really happened, you don't want to have that. You know, you don't want to have a situation where the law of the land is Jim Crow and black people aren't allowed to have a say in that law of the land, you know, and that's the orthodoxy that we exist under and I'm not saying there's not something to that. There's also something to the fact that like in theory, we all got to admit, there would really be nothing wrong with the literacy test. In theory, I'm not saying you can't be against it because it might not work in practice, but like on some level, we would all agree that like if you can't read and write, if you don't have an eye, you know, like, yeah, that's probably not going to be the people who make the best. No one would say let's put those people in charge of society. No one would vote for that person if they were on the other side of the ballot. So why the hell is it that we support you being on this side? It's just, it's a strange dynamic that Republicans have no really answer for in my opinion. Well, I think it's an interesting thought experiment because we're mostly splitting hairs here because the system just doesn't work either way. We have a system of the best liar wins. We play a game every four years to see who can lie the best and then they get into office. They don't keep any other campaign promises. And at the same time where I was talking of, you know, a bit of a ruling elite, if you size down the voting class, I mean, we have it anyways with the federal reserve or banking infrastructure. Everything you saw with COVID and the way the big business is able to get free goodies from government at the rest of our expense. So it's almost a thought experiment to wonder if we limited the voting pool to more educated voters if that would then change that apparatus. And I would almost guess not. Well, and it's a tough look. It's a, I'm, as I've said before in the show, I'm not so sure I'm convinced by Hoppa over Mises when it comes to arguments about democracy. I am 100% convinced that Hoppa's got a point and there's really something to tangle with there. And I think the essence, I won't move on to some other shit, but I think the essence of it is like the world, you know, Woodrow Wilson famously said in, when he got America into World War I after promising to keep us out of it and running on that in his campaign, the Donald Trump of his day, if you will. And he, his famous line when he announced we are going to war was that he was going to make the world safe for democracy. And at the time, Europe certainly was not safe for democracy. It was all ruled by by monarchs. It was all different kingdoms and empires. None of them democratic throughout Europe or none of them completely democratic by today's standard. Some of them with absolutely no democratic processes whatsoever. And we went to war. We toppled all of these governments, even the ones we didn't directly topple like the Russians, like they were toppled because they went into this war. America kept the war going. The Russian army was not at home. They were out and the Bolsheviks had their revolution. So essentially after we made Europe safe for democracy, you know, we overthrew the old monarchs and then we had to deal with Lenin and Hitler and Stalin, far, far worse than the previous. But anyway, after World War II, Europe was at least Western Europe, I shouldn't say Europe, Western Europe, was made safe for democracy. You know, even in England, they have a king still, but it's really a name only. And they're essentially a democracy, at least to the extent that any of us are or that anyone's ever been. And in this period of time, Rob, we've seen the growth of the modern superstate. You know, like this has been what's followed. It has been the century of central banks and record high government spending and the rise of the big regulatory states and the mass surveillance states and like all this. And there's also been tremendous growth in the market and innovation and things like that. But it's just kind of like the question for anybody who loves liberty or prosperity or any of, hates any of this corruption is like, well, does the democratic process contain the growth of the state better than other alternative options? That would really be the question with minimizing risk for instability or violence or something like that. And I'm not so sure that it's clear. It's at least very debatable, right? Like democracy has not really served to in any way be a hedge against the growth of the state. And Rob, like as we know, like all growth of the state and we could pick between what's worse and better uses of the state. There are worse and better uses, but all of it undermines future production. All of it raises costs. All of it puts a burden on the taxpayer. All of it raises time preference because people are less likely to be, you know, invest in the future if they, they're not going to gain as much in the future as they otherwise would. So like all of it's destructive and democracy doesn't do a very good job of raining it in. I think that's at least, you know, undeniable. Ron Paul for Emperor. Yes. Yes. And he's only, you know, those stories like where, like, you know, like in the Bible where it'll be like someone ruled until they were like 400, we don't know. We don't know that Ron Paul doesn't have 300 good years left in him. I don't know. Okay, so I did want to mention a few things because I guess as we're going into this midterm pitch, or I guess we've been in this midterm pitch that just gets more and more pathetic. There's some, some good examples of that over the last few days, but Donald Trump did come out and endorse Benjamin Netanyahu, who also has an election coming up. And obviously, this is not surprising news. Donald Trump has been the most pro Netanyahu president that we've ever had. And Netanyahu first became prime minister in 1996. So like there is a list of, to compare him to, he's the most pro Netanyahu, pro-Lakood, pro-Israel guy. He's been openly calling for what's it called for a pardon for Netanyahu. So it's not that surprising on its face, but I gotta say, Rob, on some level, you know, when you look, and again, this goes right to the heart of what makes people kind of interested in this issue. I know and on the other side seems to ever be able to grapple with this, but like, Rob, the way politics works, just in a vacuum, on paper, or let's just say, all things being equal or something like that, the way politics works, there's this issue, it's Israel, okay? Support, this used to be, roughly popular country. But over the last three years, support has tanks by 50 to 70 percent. They are now universally hated. And particularly this one leader is viewed as a genocidal maniac by the majority of the population. You're also going into a midterm where you're fighting for your life, your underwater. And literally with no exaggeration, Rob, there is no hyperbole in this at all. Donald Trump is watching his domestic agenda collapse. Like he's two weeks away from what everybody expects to be the Democrats retaking the House of Representatives. And with that, the power of the purse string and the power to subpoena and hold trial. I just, you know, losing the whole thing. And Rob, I'm just saying like all things being equal in a vacuum, you might assume that in that situation, you wouldn't proudly endorse the guy who so many people view as a genocidal maniac because you'd be like, this is just really bad politics. Dude, if one of us, if one of us was like pro Trump and we were, you know, speaking at his events and we got caught, you know, making like an offensive joke, they'd probably cut us off before the midterms and go, you know what, we're not, we're not going to bring Tony Hinge cliff on right now because that's just a little controversial. But the guy conducting a genocide, you'll openly endorse it. It is just kind of rub one more example of why like, I don't know, it's just, it's very strange that like the Democratic political incentives just don't seem to matter when it comes to one and only one country. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is El Nutra by Prolon. One of the questions that people ask when it comes to weight loss medications is how do I keep this off without losing more muscle? 40% of the weight lost on GLP ones can come from lean muscle. Prolon's five day is one of the only drug-free programs clinically shown to support fat-focused weight loss while protecting muscle and it's also shown to reduce biological age. It has over 25 years of research, 47 clinical trials. 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So it's a little bit surprising that he's backing him. I do, here, I'm going to put it in because I do think it's worth reading this one quote from Trump. It did grab my eye. You want the honors? No, you go ahead. All right, if Israel is the wrong leader, which would be anyone other than BB, America will have to do this work ourselves, and I'm not inclined to do so. What struck me about this is I don't follow internal Israeli politics all that much, but from what I've seen, I think Netanyahu's core pitch is on the only one that can wrangle the Americans and so you need me here. And so the fact that Trump's kind of coming through with the exact same message and essentially backing Netanyahu's claim of, "Hey, we're going to walk away unless it's Netanyahu as our partner." And also, it's almost threatening these really people in a way of, "Hey, if you want to continue having our backing with this, you're going to have to elect this guy." It's crazy to me to be mimicking Netanyahu's exact, you know, campaign language of what is core pitches and also to be putting this on the table of like, we're not pro-Israel, we're almost pro-N Netanyahu, or we're only doing this if he's here. And don't get it twisted, the really, really good points, Rob. And don't get it twisted. This is a big deal. This might make the difference. I'm not saying it well. I mean, we'll see what happens in these elections, but you kind of can't over say, this has been been, there's a reason why he's the longest serving Prime Minister in Israeli history. And there's a reason why it's not a coincidence that he went to school and lived in America and speaks English so fluently. You ever listen to any of these other Israeli Prime ministers, Rob? You ever listen to a, a, who'd all marked speak? You ever listen to Naftali Bennett speak? They speak with thick Israeli accents. You know, most Israelis, you know, speak with thick Israeli accents. Benjamin Netanyahu does not. He almost sounds American, you know, and there's a reason why he's the guy, because when you're a state that's a client state, totally dependent on another superpower on a superpower, your relationship with that then becomes the most important thing about your society. And so this has always been in the background, right? This is Benjamin Netanyahu's pitch. I can go talk to these Americans, unlike anybody else. And by the way, Darryl Cooper did a great job in fear and loathing in Las Vegas covering it. This is one of the big advantages that the Zionists always had over the Palestinians. You know, when the international community was deciding these things, the Zionists are sending European Jews to go meet with these delegations. They're wearing suits and ties. They have names like David and Benjamin, which you know from your Bible. You know what I mean? Then some representative from Assyria is coming through with fucking 14 consonants in a row, in a sheet or whatever. You know, like one side had a big advantage over the other. Sorry, I apologize, I apologize to my Arab friends, but like I've been sticking up for you guys for a while. Anyway, I try to do my fair share. So, but anyway, so the point being Rob, now you're in an environment where Israel has become hated around the world, a total pariah state. And the only thing you have left is your relationship with the United States of America. You know, this type of thing, I think a lot of Israelis are going to hear that threat that you're talking about, that Donald Trump is making here. That might be the thing that you know, like who and to your point before, I mean, it's just, I just got to put like an exclamation on that because it really is, you're absolutely right to compare or contrast, say calling for a new president in Ukraine with how he's dealing with Benjamin Netanyahu. I mean, look, if the if we're to believe the New York Times reporting, the official paper of record, like what the official story here is that Benjamin Netanyahu either lied, most likely lied, or fooled Donald Trump into thinking this thing was going to be a cakewalk, and then he was going to walk into the midterms going, dude, I solved the Venezuela and the Iran problem with with Maduro and the Ayatollah's scalp on his mantle right behind him on the man. And it worked out to be a disaster that's going to destroy his presidency. One might wonder, why isn't Donald Trump mad about that? Why if that is the official story, then why at this point aren't we going, oh, and so we now all agree we hate that guy. We cut him off forever. We punished that guy. We at the very least do not continue partnering supporting and fighting wars with that guy. This is a very bizarre dynamic Rob. And then of course the incredibly pompous War Hawk commentator class, the Will Chamberlain's and Ben Shapiro's, will just mock anybody who theorizes about a conspiracy of what this might be. But I'm sorry, you got just looking at what we have. This is very strange, very strange to go to that for the guy who just tanked your presidency, according to the official story. Yep, it's been unclear why Donald Trump's been operating the way he has this entire time. And I guess this is just a cherry on the ice cream sundae of what the hell is Donald Trump doing? Yeah, you see JD Vance had to go do a little town hall defend the administration the other day. It's pretty universally being received as a disaster. It's I don't know what to say about it in a way I kind of felt bad. JD Vance is there's something by the way part of the reason Why, I would just never support JD Vans for anything in the future is, it's just how sad and weak he kind of is, you know, JD Vans, it seems to me as just the guy who's like, you know, I don't really agree with this at all. If I was in charge, I'd try to do it a different way. But like, I'll go along and I really want to be president and maybe I'll do things a little different when I get in there. It's just like a guy that weak is never going to do things a little different when he gets in there. And, but anyway, I did, I got to say, Rob, I don't know how much of this you saw. I found myself just kind of feeling bad for him a lot. It seems like he's almost just thrown up there with an impossible hand to defend. You know, you could see, remember how excited he was in the week of the memorandum of understanding when he was going on Rogan and going on these shows? And he's, you can kind of see JD Vans was like, oh, yeah, I could pick a fight with the Israel lobby and defend us getting out of this war. I could totally, like, I got 15 good talking points about how they're so awful from wanting us to fight this war. And he did, he had like a bunch of great, you know, but then as soon as we go back to it and he's got to defend it, you can just see the difference in him, you know, like, you could just see how when he was smacking down Mark Levin and Ben Shapiro on Rogan's podcast, he was saying it with his whole chest, you know, and now when he's defending this stuff, it's just, I don't know, dude, it's like, it's literally like, it feels like I'm just like you just threw me up against a professional boxer, you know, like that's what this felt like. And you're my corner man. And you're just kind of like, dude, cover up, man, move, move a lot cover. Like what can I say to you? What, what actually can I tell you to do? Like go take his head off? No, try to survive. Like, you know, and it's just, it seems like that's what he's doing. Well, it was the polar opposite of a good propaganda because he has to sit up there and confront the victims of his bad policy or this administration's bad policy. And, you know, in sales, you never want to highlight the negative, you're always looking to highlight the positive. And so here you've got victims of the policies, basically expressing the fact that they're a victim of a policy and he's got to try and do the customer service thing of, oh, I hear where you're coming from, but there's no positive pitch. There's no way to talk to God. It's terrible. Lost his wife in this war. Yeah, well, let's, yeah. Let's play that one because yeah, this was rough. Let's go to this. JD Vance confronted, by the way, I should point out I was on Emily, Jekinski show this morning, Jekowski, Jichou school. I was on Emily show this morning. And she did make the point, which I thought was a good point that, you know, we've really heard nothing from the victims and the families of the victims, families of the victims, I guess, of the dead from this war. It just hasn't been very largely reported kind of interesting that it came up in this spot right here. But yeah, okay, let's play the clip. And the audience tonight is Joey Aymor, whose wife, a US soldier, master sergeant Nicole Aymor, was killed in March in an Iranian air strike. Joey, your floor is yours. God bless you, Joey, and thank you for your service. Thank you, sir. And her. Mr. Vice President, my wife, master sergeant Nicole Aymor gave her life on March 1st, 2026. I am damn proud of my wife, as you should be in the five soldiers that stood next to her that died along with, along the side with her. Excuse me. Take your time, man. Take your time. They raised their right hand and they gave an oath. They understood what they were doing. They understood the sacrifice they were potentially giving. You understand that oath? I understand that oath. There are now six families living in nightmare. It is a hard price to pay. Though the Iranian drone was the weapon that killed my wife, there were a lot of mistakes and a lot of fundamental failures that led up to that. I believe CBS is reported on that. My wife has told me things before she passed. There are other soldiers that know things that are being quiet about certain aspects of this. There is a failure in the leadership. I want to know how this administration is going to start holding those leaders accountable for the actions and the deaths of the soldiers that we honor and that we love. Joey, first of all, look, I/O and the whole country owes your family a debt of gratitude that is quite literally impossible to repay. I want for 10 that anything that I say is going to make it better or easier, but I hope it helps a little bit to know that your wife was a precious human being who served her country honorably and I'm never going to forget about her. I'm never going to forget this conversation and I want to continue this conversation offline because that raises the second point. When you talk about failures that were, that we were implicated, the administration, the Department of War, whoever you want to say was implicated in. I want to know about that stuff because if there were failures and I don't doubt there were, I just, literally the first time I've heard of this. Is this conversation? Let's just pause it. Oh, there you go. It gets over. Look, man, it gets more brutal. The longer it goes on and evidently, I got this from Emily, but I was told, or she had a source that said that the exchanged life was much longer than the version that got aired and that it was much more uncomfortable. There is a point at the end where they straight up asked the guy if he's satisfied with J.D. Vance's answer and he says no. Look, dude, Rob, it's an impossible situation for J.D. Vance to be in as a really impossible situation. And so I don't know what you're going to say there, right? Like I don't know exactly how, I mean, there were words he should have used that he didn't use is saying your wife was a precious human being is not the, what your wife was an American hero, you know, like there's things he could have said that he didn't. But dude, I think the underlying problem here, Rob, is just that everyone knows this was a war of choice. Everyone knows we didn't have to do this. Everyone knows that you guys chose to do this. Now for most people, you know, Donald Trump, Donald Trump saying there were two weeks away from having a deliverable nuclear weapon. They were going to nuke a LA. It was Israel two weeks ago. But now it's LA. They were going to nuke, you know, but no one, everyone knows that's a lie. Everyone knows we chose to do this. And most of the time, you're getting confronted like, so you just chose to make my gas prices higher. You know, but this is like you just chose for my wife to die. And everyone including J.D. Vance kind of knows that's right. And you know, Rob, I don't know. There's something I'm not saying. I know what you could say that would be better than this. But there's something just so insulting about I'll always remember this. I'll never forget. Oh, if there were things I want to know, I don't know. Let's continue this offline. It's like you'll never forget. You'll never forget, okay, and what are you going to do about it? What are you going to do with that information that's in your head? Like if Donald Trump launched another war of aggression tomorrow or escalated this one and was something that was going to get a bunch more Americans killed, I bet everything I own. J.D. 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Let's get back to another show. Yeah, JD Vance is a good enough guy that he was like I can't lie to this person's face and the political way to play this is the iran was about to get a nuclear bomb and your wife's an American hero and because of the sacrifice that she made we can remain a free country. but he knows that's not true. - He can't even look at him in the eye. - That's right, yeah. - That's why he could not look her in the eye and say that and he tried to be more of a human being, which in the political sphere does not actually help you. I'm not advocating for not being a human being or the political structure that we have, but it just does boil down to the fact that what you had said that this war is clearly a war of choice, and so when they're put into these situations, there's really no way to justify it. I only saw this clip, I didn't see the extended one, but I'm just guessing that this must be one of the military-based deaths of which Hegseth faced complaints the last time. He was in front of, I think it was in front of the Senate and that they didn't put up netting and they did not have defense infrastructure for drones coming in. - Yeah, there's been all types of allegations of like unpreparedness and bad. And again, it's a government program, so it totally makes sense that all of this would be true. You find this in all government programs that even though we're spending a trillion dollars a year on this empire turns out nothing's being managed the way it's supposed to be is not, so there's, yeah, there's a lot of that, but he'll get to the bottom of it. Don't you worry? - Well, to state the unawareness is likely not true. I mean, I might be sure that it doesn't know this specific lady's death, but it just speaks to that the mistake that we made in getting into this war and the fact that we turned all of our military assets in the region and the bases actually just into a liability and the fact that they did put soldiers in a harm's way which are all things that he can't possibly address or justify. - Dude, I think you made such a good point there that I really, I actually got to think about that for a little bit because it's kind of, it goes along with what, it complements the point I've been making for weeks and weeks now. This is the point that I really hit Dershowitz with in that debate. I said, which was a little, you know, it's a bit of a debate tactic but I thought of legit one. But where I said at the end of my opening, I went, everyone knows the president's lying us into this war and lying us to keep the war. Mr. Dershowitz can't look me in the eyes and tell me that they were two weeks away from a deliverable nuclear weapon. So if you're supporting this war, you're supporting a president lying in the country into war. And I thought that would be, you know, like you'd have, anyway, he just totally ran away from it and wouldn't even defend. I'm not defending Trump, I'm not defending this war. But, you know, to your point, right? Like I've, I've been making the point for weeks now that every single person defending this war knows that that's a lie and is defending the war despite the fact that the president's lying us into it. But you made a really good point where you go, look, dude, if that wasn't the case, it's almost backs up my point to go, look, if anyone believed that at all, let's just say you believed LA was about to be nuked. Then obviously, as you said, Rob, you'd have your answer to give this guy. You, and you would obviously say that right to him, search the greatest tragedy in the world that your wife had to die. And she is an American hero. She saved Los Angeles from being nuked, you know, like you would look him in the eye, but you know that's a lie. And because to your point, because JD Vance isn't that much of a piece of shit, he can't even look this guy in the eye and say that. Because probably the amount of just like disgust that this man would have for you, would just shame him out of even thinking about it, you know? Because everyone knows that's a lie. So it does kind of show you can't even back up the war with your own lies when push comes to shove. And I don't know, I guess there's something, Rob, you know, the thing is like with this guy, it's just so real. Like it's so real that he's really grieving his wife. The way he asked the question, the way he's talking, you're like, oh, that's not an actor pretending to grieve. That's what actual, like a person in deep grief looks like. And he's just got nothing satisfactory to say. Rough moment for JD Vance. I just feel bad. I mean, I'll never support the guy, but I'm just gonna spend I think the next like year feeling bad for this guy. Anyway, okay, let's, which, you know, I don't even, I hate to do, but I do feel an obligation. Well, let's, let's deal with the clocking hands on the view for one second, which we always, like two or three times a year, we do have to just address these, these retards, but one of them, sunny, whatever her name is, she came after Rogan recently. And I'll tell you, I have noticed. And of course, I always knew this was common. But after, you know, after the biggest cancellation attempt, perhaps in probably the biggest cancellation attempt in cancel culture history, well, maybe if not Trump, then it was Rogan that spectacularly failed. And he just, just maintained his number one spot throughout and just grew and grew and still maintain the spot. But that after that, and then he has Trump on and doesn't have Kamala on, helps usher him into the White House. And he breaks the corporate media apparatus and they're all going, we need our own Joe Rogan and that whole thing after 24. You know, they're going to be trying to come from after that. It's not like they're just going to accept, oh, we lost, he won. Let's be good sports about this thing. He got everything right, we got everything wrong. Let's be cool. So of course, they're coming after him. And I notice this, I notice particularly, I think since, there's been an effort, let's say, by a lot of the people, many of whom, almost all of whom, got everything about wokeism and COVID completely wrong, haven't lost the argument completely to the point that they can't even defend the positions they used to take. They want to pivot to the next thing and then forget about all of that. And there's a lot of them who, as Trump started to become unpopular, have been trying to pounce on Rogan for that. Because hey, look, there's an opening there. You supported Trump. Trump's no longer popular. Therefore, you're responsible for the unpopular thing. There just seems to be an effort there. And it's, I don't know, Rob, it's hard. Look, I understand whenever the topic is Joe Rogan, I will recognize that I am bias. Obviously, you know, as a huge fan of the guy, before I ever met him, before I ever met him, I was a huge fan. I met him and he's the coolest guy ever and he's changed my life, gave me the biggest opportunities anyone has, having on the biggest show in America, just like an unbelievable privilege. So just having on the biggest show in the world over and over again, and he's done it for so many of my friends. He's like transformed the light so obviously and then also we become great friends and I just love the guy. So obviously I'm bias. But like, I really do think I'm being fair here. If people are knocking Joe Rogan for something that's like a legit thing to knock him for, I think I'd have a different reaction. But like, if you're gonna knock him, have something 'cause the truth is this Rob. And I've literally watched this all happen. Is Rogan is undeniably, just undeniably? It's not like, like to say he's an impressive person is would be like a ridiculous understatement. If you achieved one of his top nine accomplishments, you're an impressive person. His, the dude has multiple different black belts and different martial arts disciplines. He's the biggest MMA commentator in the world. He runs the most successful comedy club in the world. He's a fucking killer professional standup comedian. And that's all before you get to the fact that he has the biggest show in the world. Now, he didn't even start the show. Did you think about this Rob? He didn't even start the show as a news show. He's not a newsman. He's a standup comic and a martial artist. He's a newsman, but he's a very smart guy and he likes to comment on our, you know, collapsing society and he covers some of these topics, gets interested in some of the things that are happening in society. Now, he builds such a big platform and is such a compelling and authentic figure that he overtakes the news without trying to. He becomes bigger than the whole news and where more people are getting their information from without even seeking that spot. And look, when you have this, again, like I said, he's one of my good friends. I'm going to be defensive of him. The guy changed my life. Obviously, I'm always, I'm going to be on his side. That's my inclination. But like, if we're really just being fair about this Rob, he, everybody is going to have a thing where when you're someone like Rogan, when you've had the biggest show for so long, everyone's going to have a thing like I would have done it this way. I would have done it different. You're never going to please everyone. You're never going to have something where they don't go like, I wish he had done this. I wish he had done this. It's like, okay, everyone's going to have their comment to make. But how about the fact, Rob, that this guy, let's just say on the topics of war, COVID and wokeism, Joe Rogan, undeniably, like smacked a grand slam on all of them, was just way better than the entire corporate media, objectively proven correct. And the entire country is caught up to where he was, including the media that used to hate him. None of them are telling you to get your boosters. None of them are defending that school closures were locked down. Not a single one of them would dare bring up the controversy that I was on the show with. I remember it was, try to keep this in mind. Little old me, I was in this moment on Rogan's side where we got condemned by Fauci and Biden. It went all the way up to the president of the United States. What was the big controversial thing that Joe Rogan said? That he recommended young people stay healthy and exercise and get lots of sunlight. That was the controversial thing. He doesn't recommend they get an experimental Vax. Dude, everyone knows he was right now. Okay, Rob, with the exception of Tucker Carlson, point me to one member of the corporate media who you can point to one policy that they were right about, one of the major issues. You can't do it with a single one of them. So don't give me this shit about what you're complaints with how Joe Rogan is handled. The most incredible, you know, like fucking thing that you can't sad them possibly being in charge of, that he single handedly built up. Anyway, this shit does arc me a little bit. Sorry for too long of a rant there, Rob. Let's get to the dumb lady on the view. She's got some thoughts on Joe Rogan. I'm gonna say this because Joe Rogan has 74.2 million followers across several platforms. And the Joe Rogan experience was the number one podcast in the United States. He signed the $250 million deal for that podcast. I'm not, yeah, I'm not sure why he can't afford a fact checker, but very big pause it for a second. By the way, and this is part of the reason why the the nods are out for Joe now is because he just signed a new deal. Nuts come out, new goddamn humongous deal. Good for him. Good for him. God damn, I hope his next one's for a billion. Dude, it's so disgusting. It's literally the same thing Chelsea Handler did. By the way, I saw this Chelsea Handler clip where she brought me up. And I don't think she knows who I am, but she brought me up is she, I swear to God, if I, it was very hard to understand it, you know, I don't speak wine drunk, you know, childless lady, but I think in between, in between like the fucking, you know, the wine and the pain pills, I get she said something about how Joe Rogan doesn't platform voices on the right who are critical of Trump. And there are voices out there who are telling the truth who are critical of Trump like Dave Smith. And I was like, are you criticizing Joe Rogan for not platforming me enough? Because that's a first. That is a first. If that is the criticism he's getting anyway. So, but they do this thing. So she does, I don't know if you saw this rub where she starts going off about how much money Rogan has. She goes, oh my god, Rogan got 250 million dollars. Like that's just crazy. I know about his worth 250 million. It's like, bitch, put your net worth down. Let all these be. If you're actually going to talk to regular people about like that you're going to bring up someone's finances and then kind of in a disparaging way like they make all this, but we put all your salaries there. And just to be clear, what they're saying is like I make six million dollars a year, but she gets 250 million. Please, with your full chest, say that to a regular person and see what their response is to you. It is hilarious. It's like me watching fucking Stavros and talk about how Shane makes so much money. So just like, if you're going to do this, then put your mention what you make also. Give these people a real piece of the conversation. Okay. A little bit of a lady's on the view. Yes, he's doing what you do much better. If your ratings at the view go up by 500%. You guys think you're going to take a pay cut or you're going to get a pay increase. You're going to get an increase, right? So that's what he does. What you do, but better. And you all make a disgusting amount of money. Nothing against that. I'm all for making disgusting amounts of money. I'm trying my best. So like, I'm not against make it, but like don't do that thing where you. It's a Bernie Sanders thing. Oh, these billionaires. Is it millionaires and billionaires than you become a millionaire? Oh, these billionaires here. So anyway, bullshit trick. This is all stupid nonsense from her. But I think just pointing out her salary, salary would almost understate it because I bet the view, which is owned by a network, might bring in more than 250 on a three year annual threat. And so what you're actually got a comparative is that Joe Rogan owns the Joe Rogan experience and managed to create a business where it's just him and one other person. And he's the actual owner of it. So that's a very fair point. Yeah. So her making six million a year. So if it's six, I mean, there's four of them on the shows. That means the host annually or 24. So on a three year, whatever the contract period is, you're looking at 75, right? And then that doesn't actually equate to, well, what is all the producers, managers and every the network? Yeah. No, if you do it, if you do it all without a big corporation, you get to keep more of the money when it comes in. Yes, it's a very fair point. Anyway, here, let's hear what she's what she's going after him. She must have something good. What does she have on Joe Rogan? He needs a fact checker. Let me say this. Let me say this. He said in our opening clip, it was insane to just not only leave the border open. That was false. Biden even explicitly told migrants don't come over during an ABC news interview with George Stephanopoulos. She paused it, just pause it. This is dude, can you imagine? Can you imagine how it's sometimes Rob? I do get a little bit. I do get a little bit NVS. Don't you wish we could be this dumb? Like you imagine it could be that easy. This is honest. Well, yes, it's true. But this is relying on the listener. It's relying on the, on the viewer to be this dumb is what it is. It's thinking you can get away. So she goes, he said the border was open, balls. And then her big, her fact check is that one time Biden said, don't come over. By the way, when Biden said that, it was already after like the worst of the crisis. It was the biggest migration to America in 150 years. And it was done illegally. Now, it was done illegally, meaning that there was federal statute that said it wasn't legal. But it was done. And this has been just demonstrably proven with tens of millions at least, maybe hundreds of millions of dollars flowing in from NGOs in the UN. And a very clear policy from the Biden administration that allowed it to happen. She's going to object to him using the word open. I mean, okay, yes, it is. I guess if you want to be really nitpicky, it's like, yes, we're not saying that every single border agent disarmed and Joe Biden made it the official law of the land that the border is open and anyone can come. But it's clearly shorthand for a policy that was open enough that maybe like 10 million illegal people entered the country during that time. And this is just so stupid. It's so stupid for the fight she's picking to be what pretending that he got a fact wrong by talking about how there was this humongous, unprecedented influx of illegal migrants into the country during the Biden administration, a fact that everybody in the world has accepted. That's what she's got. >> I mean, what a dumb one to pick is this one's just common sense that everyone's aware of the fact that the Biden administration clearly had a policy to try and get as many people over that border as they could against the will of the American people. And it's a big reason why Donald Trump was voted back into office because there was outrage over the fact that they were derelict of duty of protecting the country and clearly functionally had an open border policy. The biggest infraction that they did was just paroling people into the country because they didn't want a situation where they had too many people and that you potentially had kids and cages. So people would come in and they would just basically process them right into the country and release them. But the idea that most people would hear Joe Rogan's that comment from Joe Rogan and not say that this is actually useful for the largest podcast to be addressing, but he needs a fact checker there because he actually made an incorrect claim because Biden never formally created a policy. Yes, we understand that. I mean, this the same thing is going well, there's no evidence that Epstein did anything yet because no one investigated him. We're aware of the fact I watched a myorcus and 12 congressional hearings going, nobody cares about border security more than I do. And they go, well, really, because there's everyone's getting denied. They denied it was a crisis. Yeah, for a full year, they denied it was a crisis. Yeah, it's like this. Just too, anyway, too ridiculous. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is Quince. I love Quince. Excellent brand. I've gotten a ton of stuff from the whole family from Quince. They have staples like 100% Mongolian cashmere sweaters starting at just $60 real leather jackets without the crazy price tag. You can refresh your whole wardrobe without breaking your bank account. Seriously, highly recommend these guys. Their stuff is very nice. You know me. I like to look nice. Kind of a casual look, but I like to have a nice look and sweater on. Quince has great stuff and they're very reasonably priced. 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Did he put them up in hotels in New York City? Did he? No, the New York City government did. Again, what Rogan said is factually correct. They were given instructions. Again, that's not even a conspiracy. That's not even like I suspect they were doing this intentionally. That's what the blue states did with them. Yes, also the red states did bust some of them over the blue states. Rogan's covered that on his show. We all laughed about it. It was hilarious when they hoisted the Democrats by their own Petard and demonstrated that you have to admit it's a crisis now when they come into you. There's nothing to do with the claim Rogan was making and everyone with a room temperature IQ knows that. These bitches lie, Hung Rob. Yeah, get her a fact, Shacker. Yeah, really? Yeah, what about the flights that were coming in overnight to Westchester Airport? You called out the biggest one of it is that she read one full sentence which was paid for transportation and paid for hotel rooms and then she just addressed the paid for transportation and only addressed the one incident where I mean the most hilarious one with Martha's vineyards when all the liberals freaked the fuck out. Golden. It was incredible. But I'm sure. I mean, I'll fact check this for the next episode. But if we looked into how much government transportation was offered to illegal migrants within the country, the idea that the bus rides from Texas were the majority of it. There's no. Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely half of the sentence and just take. Well, no, dude, they had even accurate. Dude, they rented out rec centers and hotel rooms in New York City. They had big warehouses near O'Hare Airport out in Chicago. These are blue cities that were doing that. And yeah, of course, they were transporting them around as well and giving them instructions. I know in New York City, they got monthly metro cards. Like this is just this is a fact. They were out protesting that they were when they were moved to Queens. They were upset that they got moved from Manhattan. Yeah, let's keep playing. Ada and funded the high profile state run busing and flight operations. He said, was it to turn these people into citizens and have them permanently voting your side because you helped them and let them in votes by non-citizens are very rare. How rare you ask between 0, 0, 0, 0. Didn't she just say turn Joe Rogan's claim was turn them into citizens and now she's dressing a different claim about illegal voting. But yeah, I everyone else needs a fact checker. I mean, this is unbelievably sloppy propaganda. Yeah, it's crazy. It's crazy. I think I'd even just put this crazy. Like there's not an editor there who goes like, let's tighten this up a little bit. Like, okay, I want to go at Joe Rogan and take him down. But let's like, maybe not. I mean, look, he clearly said she reads it. It's not even like if you're going to lie, then like lie the first time you read the quote, she reads it. He says, why would you do this unless you were planning on turning them into citizens and having them all vote? And she goes, here's the bullshit numbers on how many illegals vote. By the way, there's numbers are complete bullshit anyway. We don't have good auditing on how many illegals vote. And they bend over backward to make it easy in so many states. And I'm sorry again, man, this is almost like on the level of the Israel shut, but it does make you it's almost like the only logical thing to do is to speculate about a conspiracy here. When you go and you guys made it the big civil rights issue of our time that you can't be required to show ID when you vote, it's fucking insane. I know everyone's already torn apart the logic of it and made all of the jokes about how like, okay, but every government building an Amtrak isn't racist, but the voting booth is, it's insane. It's insane that you don't have to show proof of citizenship and proof of who you are to vote. That's just fucking crazy. Anyway, we're going to say that. You said they were trying to make them citizens and she didn't take on that claim at all as you pointed out, Rob. And it's like, I don't know. Yeah, that's not that crazy of a claim. Why is it that Democrats have wanted to import millions of people from third world countries? Well, all of their kids are going to be made into citizens, right? And they're betting on that they vote for them. Back check again. You know what? Joe doesn't even have to pay me. How many mothers shit pays me enough? I'm the fact checker for the Joe Rogan. I appoint myself the fact checker. I'm checking all these facts. He's batten a thousand. My apologies are going to have to finish the episode without me. I got to get out of here before the track. Rob gets kicked out of hotel rooms right at the end of an episode every now and then I'll take this one home. All right, let's play. Is there any more? You're the man, Rob. Go see Rob on the road, guys, porchdoor.com. Here is there any more of this dummy talking? Oh, zero, three percent and zero point zero, zero, one percent. You're welcome, Joe. We'll be right back. I just it is. You know, like as I said before, why it's again, this is just I guess with the game, like why I said, why is it so disgusting to me when someone like Chelsea Handler goes, oh, Joe Rogan does deserve $250 million because she's trying to position herself as like, oh, I'm with you. Isn't this crazy that someone gets that much money? And you're like, Chelsea, you know, Chelsea must be worth tens of millions of dollars at least, you know? And you're like, so essentially like you do the same thing Joe does. You do comedy shows too. You do podcasts, you do shows. You're also a comedian. You also get a disgusting amount of money. Again, I keep saying disgusting, but I don't mean about 35 mill is what the internet tells us, but that's not always right, but but something like that. I'm sure when I say, I just mean you make a ton of money, a ton more money than most people can even wrap their heads around what they would do with 35 million dollars, you know? You make that money because people want to pay to see you. You know, it's like, it's like, I don't know, does LeBron, what is LeBron James deserve to make? You know, if you were just like in the abstract to say, what do you deserve to make to run up and down a basketball court and dump the basketball and hit shots and stuff? I don't know if you could ever get to, he deserves to make the money LeBron James does for playing basketball, but that's not the equation. The equation is like, well, how many people buy tickets? How many people buy jerseys? How many people buy packages? You know, if they're all buying it, then hey, you should get a big portion of that because they're buying it to see him. And so in other words, the only reason why Joe Rogan is getting paid more money than Chelsea Handlers for one clear reason is because he's more people like him. More people want to see his show than want to see your show. And that's just the way it works in my field. What am I going to do? Complain? Like, I don't know, I make very good money. Comedians who sell more tickets than me on the road make more money than me. Podcasts that have more views than mine make more money. And you know what? The ones you may have less make less. I'm like a complain about the ones you're making. So there is just something so weird about you being like, what do you met? You're mad that just more people are buying tickets to his shows and more people are turning into his podcast than yours. And similarly with the view, it's a similar thing. And it's funny that just at the end of this with her, they're so self-congratulatory. You know, her first thing with all that money, you can afford a fact checker. Oh, that's a round of applause right there. Wow. What a witty line that you nailed them with. And at the end of it, it's just, I guess there just seems to be no reflection on the fact that like, you guys have been going at this guy for six years now. And he is just curb stomping you in the marketplace, just destroying you. And there's not like a little part of you that goes like, oh, maybe it's because we're fucking lawyers. Like, I'm not even saying, like, you should tell the truth for the truth's sake. I do believe that, but I don't know if I'm going to convince you of that. But just for the sake of like, everyone can see through this bullshit. Fact check, the border wasn't open. Okay. Brilliant. All right. That's our episode for today. We got a bunch more stuff to talk about that'll all be on the docket for tomorrow. So see you then tomorrow, regular time 1 p.m. Peace.