Go back

Designed To Belong? How Universities Signal Who Matters

from ARU Medical and Healthcare Education

21m 23s

Designed To Belong? How Universities Signal Who Matters

The concept of pedagogies of mattering reveals how institutions—whether educational or corporate—signal whether individuals feel valued through both human interactions and physical environments. Drawing on James Catten’s work and post-human materialist theory, the framework shows that feeling invisible is not just emotional but structurally embedded. Human elements like active listening, name-remembering, and empathetic feedback build psychological safety, especially in high-stakes settings like healthcare. At the same time, broken systems, poor design, and exclusionary practices (like failing software or ignored voices) send implicit messages of disposability. Curriculum design must reflect diverse experiences to ensure epistemic justice, while live interactions often produce anti-mattering through subtle exclusion. Assessment must be dialogic to validate effort and foster belonging. Crucially, care is inseparable from power, and without critical awareness, well-intended gestures can reinforce hierarchy through paternalism. True mattering requires not just kindness, but agency—enabling individuals to express themselves, challenge systems, and reclaim their humanity. This framework applies universally: from university classrooms to corporate offices, every interaction—curriculum choice, workspace design, feedback delivery—sends a message about who belongs and who is erased. Ultimately, mattering is not passive; it is a dynamic, daily practice of recognizing, responding to, and resisting systems that devalue human presence.

Transcription

3728 Words, 22817 Characters

English
Have you ever had that really distinct sinking feeling of being nothing more than a metric? Oh, absolutely. It's the worst, like you're just a number on a spreadsheet somewhere. Right, like you're navigating this massive system, maybe it's a sprawling university, or I don't know, one of those giant corporate training programs, and it suddenly just hits you. To the people running the machine, you were just an output. Yeah, you're a retention statistic, a completed module, order number 42. Exactly. And today's deep dive is really dedicated to, well, fixing that exact feeling of invisibility. We're decoding this incredible concept called pedagogies of mattering. Such a powerful framework. It really is. It's based on the work of James Catten who is a clinician and educator. And he noticed this massive flaw in how we teach medicine, and frankly, how we operate in basically any large organization. Right, because it's not just about schools. No, not at all. So our mission today for you listening is to really figure out how the spaces we inhabit, the relationships we form, and even like the failing technology on our desks dictate whether we feel we truly matter in these learning environments. And I think it's important to point out that the stakes here are much higher than just feeling, you know, a little bit unappreciated on a random Tuesday. Yeah. We are talking about whether people are actually empowered to function or whether they are just systematically shut down by the environment. Right. And to really ground this, Catten introduces this incredibly striking visual metaphor right at the very start of his work. It's this black and white photograph. Right. The hand photograph. That image is so evocative. It really is. Yeah. So in it, you see these large weathered adult hands, right? And resting inside them just gently cradled is this tiny baby's hand. It's very raw. Yeah, it's beautifully raw and immediate. You look at it and you instantly just feel concepts like care and vulnerability in this fundamental human connection. And the contrast between that really delicate human image and the cold harsh reality of a university spreadsheet. It's just perfectly primes what we're talking about today. What's fascinating here is how that single image serves as a profound counter narrative to the structural problem Catten is fighting against. The machine. Right. The modern market driven educational machine. As institutions become more and more focused on efficiency and throughput and the bottom line, the unintended consequences that students or employees for that matter feel reduced to mere consumers. You're like a transaction. Exactly. The environment implicitly communicates that you don't really matter beyond your performance output or, you know, the tuition fee you bring in. Which is incredibly isolating. It is. And the antidote to this is something called relational pedagogy. This is the radical idea that education isn't just a data transfer like downloading files to a hard drive, but a deeply relational process that is fundamentally shaped by emotions, identities, and human connection. Okay, let's unpack this because the core of relational pedagogy is rooted in these micro practices that sound incredibly basic until you realize how rarely they actually happen. Oh, for sure. They seem so obvious. Right. Like we're talking about just remembering names, active listening, acknowledging someone's effort, and responding with genuine empathy. Things that take almost zero money to implement. Exactly. Think about it in your own life. You listening. Recall a time, a manager or a mentor, simply remembered a really small detail about you. Maybe it was a project you were struggling with or a challenge you casually mentioned like weeks ago. It completely shifts your perspective of that person. It really does. That tiny moment sparks something massive. It creates this sudden overwhelming rush of psychological safety. And that psychological safety is the entire point, especially when you consider Kattin's specific context because he's a clinician educator, right? Right. So he is operating in health care learning environments. And these are spaces that are notoriously hierarchical, emotionally draining, and incredibly intimidating. I can't even imagine the pressure. It's intense. If you are a medical student or a training physician associate, you are hyper aware of your place at the very, very bottom of the clinical team ladder. You are terrified of making a mistake. And the irony there is, if you're terrified of making a mistake, you're probably going to try and hide what you don't know. Which I mean, that has to be the most dangerous thing you can possibly do in a hospital setting. That is the exact mechanism at play. That's exactly it. Relational care in these intense high-stake settings builds the baseline trust required for a student to safely say, "Hey, I actually don't know what I'm doing here." Wow. Yeah, if they don't feel the matter, they'll just mask their uncertainty. Precisely. Relational pedagogy allows them to safely form their professional identities to admit vulnerability and to learn without this constant, just paralyzing fear of being diminished by the hierarchy. Really makes me think of an analogy like the modern higher ed or corporate machine often operates like a really poorly coded algorithmic filter. Oh, I like that. How so? Well, it's built to process standardized data, right? So if you don't perfectly fit the pre-programmed format, maybe you learn a bit differently, maybe your background is in typical, the system doesn't just struggle to read you. It automatically deletes the file. Right. You just get kicked out of the process entirely. Exactly. You are physically removed from the system. Yeah. But relational pedagogy, on the other hand, is like a highly responsive operating system. Yeah. It adapts to the user. It recognizes that there is an actual human being on the other side of the screen. That algorithmic filter analogy is spot on. But, and this is crucial, if we connect this to the bigger picture, we really have to push that analogy further into the physical world. Okay. Where are we going with this? Well, let's say you have that highly responsive operating system, right? You have a manager who listens, a mentor who knows your name, all the good stuff. That's great. So far. Right. But what if the hardware is completely broken? What if the keyboard sticks, the monitor flickers constantly, and the desk you're sitting at is slowly collapsing? Oh, man. That sounds like half the offices I've worked in. Exactly. And this introduces a major evolution in the theory of mattering. Catton draws really heavily on the work of scholars, Gravet, Taylor, and Fairchild here. Okay. So they expand on this. They do. They offer this significant critique of traditional relational pedagogy. They argue that focusing solely on the human element, like just the teacher student relationship, is way too cognitive-ist. Meaning it's too hyper-focused on what's happening inside the human brain, like motivation, mental engagement, interpersonal feelings, all while just ignoring the physical world entirely. Yes, exactly. And to address that massive blind spot, they propose looking at mattering through a post-human materialist lens. Here's where it gets really interesting, though, because I want to push back on this a little bit. For you listening, because I can definitely hear the skepticism creeping in right now. Oh, for sure. It sounds very academic. Right. I totally get how a boss ignoring you or an algorithmic filter deleting your resume makes you feel invisible. That is a direct attack on your worth as a person. But how can a thing like a room layout or a buggy piece of software make you feel like you don't matter? It seems like a stretch at first glance. Yeah. Aren't those just, you know, logistical annoyances? Like, if the campus Wi-Fi drops or a classroom chair is just super uncomfortable, that's irritating sure, but does it really attack my fundamental sense of mattering? It's so tempting to brush those things off as mere annoyances. But the post-human materialist perspective argues that the physical environment is constantly sending implicit signals to you. Like subconscious messaging. Yes. Think about the cumulative effect of those frictions over a long period of time. If a university or a let's say your company forces you to use a digital platform that repeatedly fails or puts you in a cluttered, inaccessible workspace, it sends a powerful, undeniable message. It shows where their priorities are. Exactly. It materially signals that your time, your effort, and your physical comfort are fundamentally unvalued by the institution. Wow. So the friction itself is the message. It is. Every single time you have to fight the system just to do your basic job, the institution is essentially communicating, "Hey, we did not care enough about your experience to smooth this out." That's it, exactly. The effort you expend navigating broken systems is effort you cannot spend learning or creating. That's a zero sum game, yeah. Right. And going back to Catten's clinical environment, this is incredibly visible. Medical equipment, spatial arrangements in a hospital ward, the physical rituals of the profession, these material conditions physically shape a student's sense of belonging. Do they give any specific examples of that? Yeah, imagine a medical student whose hospital login consistently fails during morning rounds. They're left just standing there, unable to access patient charts, while the rest of the team moves on without them. Oh, that would be humiliating. Or imagine being handed scrubs that just do not fit you, forcing you to constantly pull at your clothes all shift. The environment is materially saying to you, "You do not fit here. You are an afterthought." That is a profound shift in perspective. It really means that if mattering is influenced by both human kindness and the physical material environment, then every single decision an institution makes is a potential minefield. It really is. Everything communicates something. From the software they buy to the actual chairs they put in a room. So how do leaders or educators actually navigate this without getting completely paralyzed by every minor purchasing decision? I mean, you can't agonize over every stapler. Right, you never get anything done. But Canton provides a very clear roadmap for this by breaking mattering down into three key battlegrounds. OK, let's go through this. These are the three core areas where this highly abstract theory becomes every day observable practice. practice. The first area is the curriculum. And the fundamental mechanism at play here is something called epistemic justice. It basically asks whose knowledge is considered valid, whose stories are foregrounded, and importantly, whose are entirely omitted. Epistemic justice. Okay. It's about fairness in the actual production of knowledge. If we stick to the operating system analogy we used earlier, a curriculum is basically the core code, right? That's a great way to put it. So if you are a student and you sit in lectures for four straight years, and you never ever see your own community, your own identity, or your own lived experiences reflected in that code, that's not just a missed opportunity for a broader education. Not at all. It actively signals that the system was built without you in mind. It basically erases you. And the choices made in a curriculum or even, you know, in a corporate training manual are never neutral. Right. Someone wrote it. Exactly. They are deliberate choices about what is valuable and what is disposable. When a curriculum consistently centers only dominant voices, marginalized students don't just feel bored. They interpret that absence as a direct structural signal of their own lack of importance to the wider world. That makes total sense. So if the curriculum is the underlying code that tells you whether you even belong in the building, the actual experience of being in the building happens in real time. Which brings us to the second battleground, right? Eaching and learning. Yes. And this refers to the micro practices that occur live right there in the room. This is where we see the physical manifestation of who is made visible and who is rendered invisible. Like the vibe of the room, essentially? Basically, yeah. It's about the climate of a classroom or a meeting room who gets invited to speak, whose contributions are enthusiastically acknowledged, and whose are just subtly talked over? Oh, man. We've all been in that meeting. I think everyone has. Yeah. You know, where someone shares a genuinely good idea and there's just silence, right? Nobody says anything. And then two minutes later, a louder person in the room says the exact same thing. And suddenly, the manager is praising it as this massive breakthrough. Oh, it's mad. That is a visceral stomach-dropping feeling. And that stomach-dropping feeling is what the literature calls anti-mattering. Anti-mattering. Wow. Yeah. These micro practices accumulate. It's not just a passive absence of mattering. It is an active, aggressive process of making you feel like you shouldn't be there. It's hostile. Very. When people consistently avoid making eye contact with you when you speak, or when your questions are repeatedly brushed aside for, quote, unquote, time, you are experiencing anti-mattering in real time. It's chilling because it's so incredibly subtle. You can't usually report it to HR, you know, like he did make enough eye contact with me, but it completely drains your ability to function. It absolutely does. So if the curriculum dictates who belongs and the live micro practices dictate who gets to participate, how does the institution enforce the final verdict on your worth? That has to be the third battleground, right? Assessment. Assessment is the ultimate site of recognition. It is where the institution formally on paper tells you your value. The final judgment, right. And the key mechanism here is that assessment must be dialogic. It has to be a conversation. When grading is transparent, fair, and comes with feedback that actually acknowledges a student's specific individual effort, it communicates deep respect. Because it shows you actually looked at their work. Exactly. It says, hey, I saw the work you put in, I recognize where you struggled, and here's how we move forward together. But let's look at the dark side of that for a second. What happens when the assessment is just a cold opaque process? I'm thinking about rubrics that are incredibly rigid. Oh, rigid rubrics are a huge problem. Right. For example, like a grading rubric for a presentation that penalizes someone heavily for not maintaining constant aggressive eye contact. Which, by the way, in some cultural communication styles is actually a sign of disrespect. Exactly. It assumes one universal norm. Yeah. When the grading is that blind to nuance, it's devastating. It really is. When assessment feels opaque, inconsistent, or just highly impersonal, like you just get a letter grade on a portal with zero explanation, it makes students feel totally disposable. They realize they are just a data point on a spreadsheet. I want to pause here and connect this directly to you listening right now. Because this framework isn't just for university professors marking essays. No, it applies everywhere. If you are a manager doing an annual performance review and you just hand an employee a form with a three out of five foot and literally no comments, or if you're peer giving feedback on a colleague's code, you are wielding the power of assessment. You are the institution in that moment. Exactly. Are you creating a dialogue that acknowledges their humanity and their effort? Or are you just handing down this mechanical verdict from on high? We are all enacting these pedagogies of mattering in our daily professional lives, constantly signaling to our peers whether they matter or not. Okay. So let's play this out to its logical conclusion. Let's say we've listened to this deep dive. We go back to our institutions and we just fix it all. We fix everything overnight. Everything. We overhaul the curriculum. So it's perfectly representative. We buy those nice ergonomic chairs. We fix the Wi-Fi and our feedback is always this rich, empathetic dialogue. It should be a utopia of love and kindness now, right? Everything works. Are we done? Not even close. Not even close. Nope. And this is where Gravit, Taylor and Fairchild's extended concepts step in to just brilliantly complicate the picture. They argue that mattering is deeply entangled with other much messier forces and they deliberately introduce words like love and kindness into this framework, which is pretty wild to see in dense academic theory, honestly. Usually academia is allergic to emotion. It likes to stay very clinical and detached. It really does. But the use of those terms is highly intentional to highlight the emotional reality of learning, but they define them very specifically, of course. Oh, so? Well, love here doesn't mean romantic love. It is defined as a deep, profound attentiveness to a student's flourishing. It is an active commitment to their growth. Got it. And kindness. Kindness refers to the everyday gestures that communicate shared humanity. So what does this all mean? If we have love and kindness baked into the system, where is the flaw? This raises an incredibly important question about the danger of power. The author's issue this crucial warning, mattering is absolutely inseparable from power. Right, because there's always a boss or a teacher. Exactly. Educational relationships, just like workplace relationships, always involve a hierarchy. Care and power are co-present. They exist at the exact same time in the same interaction. So if care without power awareness is in play, there has to be mechanism for that to backfire, right? Can a teacher's quote unquote love actually reproduce inequality if they aren't critically reflecting on the power they hold? Yes, the danger is paternalism. If a manager or a teacher expresses care, but does so in a way that assumes total authority, you know, saying things like, I know what's best for you. We are like a family here. Just do as I say, that isn't empowering. It's suffocate. It's a form of control disguised as kindness. It reinforces the hierarchy and keeps the student or employee in a subordinate totally passive role. Right. If you are not critically reflecting on the immense power you hold over someone's grades or their career trajectory or their daily reality, your care can actually suffocate their sense of mattering. It's basically toxic positivity. It's smothering them with good intentions while absolutely refusing to let them have a voice. That's exactly what it is. So if that kind of blind care is the trap, how does a student or an employee actually push back without getting penalized? That is precisely why the concepts of creativity and criticality are required to balance out the equation of care and power. Students cannot just be passive recipients of a teacher's benevolence. They need agency. Right. To truly matter, they must be empowered to be active participants in the system. Creativity allows them to express themselves and see their unique ideas valued by the community. And criticality. Criticality is the real engine here. It encourages students to question structures, to challenge assumptions, and to push back against the very power dynamics we just talked about. So a true pedagogy of mattering means giving people the tools and the psychological safety to critique the system itself. Exactly. True mattering isn't just a teacher saying, hey, I care about you. It's a teacher saying, I care about you enough to give you the power to challenge me. That's beautifully put. It transforms the dynamic from a mere transaction into a living breathing network of relational, emotional, and political practices. This has been such an incredible journey through James Catton's work. If we synthesize all of this, the core takeaway is that mattering isn't just a warm fuzzy feeling you get when someone smiles at you in the hallway. No, it's rigorous work. It's an active, daily practice. It is built through empathetic human interaction, those micro practices of remembering a name, active listening, and, you know, avoiding the trap of anti-mattering in meetings. Right, the relational side. But it's also built through thoughtfully designed physical and digital environments that don't constantly fight the user. And crucially, it requires a hyper awareness of power dynamics, ensuring that our care doesn't devolve into paternalism. It really demands that we look at the entire ecology of an environment from the curriculum to the architecture to the grading rubrics and ask, who is being signaled that they belong here, and who is being systematically signaled that they are disposable. And again, for you listening, this framework applies literally everywhere. Yeah. Whether you are onboarding a new hire and setting up their workstation, designing the user interface for a new app, or just running a weekly team check-in, you're actively sending signals about who matters. Every single interaction counts. The friction you remove, the voices you amplify, the feedback you give it all accumulates into this massive structural message. And if we connect this to the bigger picture of our own lives, I want to leave you with a final thought to mull over. Okay, let's hear it. We've spent this entire time talking about how institutions, leaders, and educators signal mattering to the learner or the employee. We've looked at it almost entirely from the top down. Right, from the perspective of the people with power. But think about those moments when you are thrust into an environment that strips away your sense of mattering, whether it's navigating a bureaucratic nightmare at the DMV, sitting in a cold corporate office that treats you like an output, or dealing with an algorithmic system that just erases all your nuance. Back to the feeling of being chewed up by the machine. Exactly, when the environment is that inherently hostile, what microactions can you take from the bottom up? How can you aggressively reclaim your own significance and force the environment to acknowledge your humanity? That's a great reframe. In a system designed to treat you as an output, how do you demand that the machine stops and actually looks at the vulnerability of the human hand it is holding? That is an incredibly powerful question to walk away with. Until next time, keep diving deep.

Podcast Summary

Key Points:

  1. Pedagogies of mattering challenge the invisibility of learners and employees by emphasizing how both human relationships and physical environments signal value or dismissal.
  2. Relational pedagogy promotes emotional connection through micro-practices like active listening, remembering names, and empathetic responses that foster psychological safety.
  3. The physical and digital environment—such as broken software, poor seating, or inaccessible systems—actively communicates disregard, creating a sense of being an afterthought.
  4. Epistemic justice in curriculum ensures diverse voices are included; excluding marginalized experiences signals structural devaluation.
  5. Live interactions in classrooms or meetings produce "anti-mattering" through subtle exclusion, silence, or dismissal of contributions.
  6. Assessment practices must be dialogic and transparent, offering feedback that recognizes individual effort and promotes shared growth.
  7. Care and power are inextricably linked; unexamined care can lead to paternalism, which suffocates agency and reinforces hierarchy.
  8. True mattering requires creativity and criticality to empower individuals to question systems, challenge power dynamics, and reclaim their voice.

Summary:

The concept of pedagogies of mattering reveals how institutions—whether educational or corporate—signal whether individuals feel valued through both human interactions and physical environments. Drawing on James Catten’s work and post-human materialist theory, the framework shows that feeling invisible is not just emotional but structurally embedded. Human elements like active listening, name-remembering, and empathetic feedback build psychological safety, especially in high-stakes settings like healthcare.

At the same time, broken systems, poor design, and exclusionary practices (like failing software or ignored voices) send implicit messages of disposability. Curriculum design must reflect diverse experiences to ensure epistemic justice, while live interactions often produce anti-mattering through subtle exclusion. Assessment must be dialogic to validate effort and foster belonging.

Crucially, care is inseparable from power, and without critical awareness, well-intended gestures can reinforce hierarchy through paternalism. True mattering requires not just kindness, but agency—enabling individuals to express themselves, challenge systems, and reclaim their humanity. This framework applies universally: from university classrooms to corporate offices, every interaction—curriculum choice, workspace design, feedback delivery—sends a message about who belongs and who is erased.

Ultimately, mattering is not passive; it is a dynamic, daily practice of recognizing, responding to, and resisting systems that devalue human presence.

FAQs

It refers to the ways institutions signal whether students or employees feel valued, through both human interactions and physical environments.

It shows a gentle human connection—of care and vulnerability—contrasted with the cold, dehumanizing reality of systems like spreadsheets or data-driven education.

It emphasizes that learning is a relational process built on empathy, identity, and human connection, not just data transfer or standardized outputs.

Broken systems, uncomfortable furniture, or inaccessible technology send implicit signals that a person's time and effort are unvalued, creating a sense of invisibility.

The curriculum (what knowledge is valued), the classroom dynamic (micro-practices of inclusion), and assessment (how feedback acknowledges individual effort).

It is where institutions formally recognize a person’s value; transparent, dialogic feedback shows respect, while rigid or impersonal grading feels dismissive.

Chat with AI

Loading...

Pro features

Go deeper with this episode

Unlock creator-grade tools that turn any transcript into show notes and subtitle files.