DESEAN JACKSON - MILLION DOLLAZ WORTH OF GAME EPISODE 398

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So it was like, when I, when I get with wide receivers, it's like, when we talk, it's just like, damn, I'm just reconnecting with yesterday. And to see this guy right here, right? To see the things that he done, some of the stuff that he done, I introduced in the sports back when I was playing with Penn State. A lot of moves, a lot of returns, a lot of that stuff. I've been through that shit. You know what I mean? So when he get credit, I do feel some type of way. So we argue on the side about the shit he done and what I done. What Gil didn't do. It's just deep. But when you're an athlete, athletes just connect. I mean, especially when you're a multi-sport athlete like me. Yeah, bring it in. You can bring him that food. He can eat that right here, man. No, no, he good. I mean, so, so, so, so it's just like, see, that's the discipline of an athlete. Jack, when you came to Philly. When you came to Philly, you knew you was coming to my town, my sports town. First of all, man, before we go any further, we got the legendary, legendary Deshaun Jackson in the building. D-Jack! What's happening, man? What's going on, man? Listen, man, let me ask you a question. We always hear all this stuff now, all this stuff coming out. Did anybody ever try you in the locker room, man? Anybody ever try me? Yeah, I mean, shit, you remember Hank Basket? Oh, he probably don't know that name. Yeah, I know Hank Basket. You remember Hank Basket? What team he play for? He play for the Eagles, man. Oh, man, that was my team. See, you talk about you in the two-sport. I know. I know. That wasn't my team at the time. So, look, I was a rookie, man. You remember that Donovan Manette had the white parties, the all-white parties? Yeah, yeah. You ever attend one of those? Uh-huh. So, I'm a rookie, right? Me and my boy T-Font. You remember T-Font? Yeah, I know T-Font. My guy. Shout out T-Font. Shout out my boy T-Font. So, you know, the rookie dinners, you know, you got all this stipulations. They talk about when you're a rookie, you got to spend X, Y, Z. You got a dinner, you got to go do this, and you got to be accounted for all that, right? So, I remember Donovan Manette had the white party, and we go, and they was like, yeah, Jack, you got this bill. You got to pay for this bill. So, they came up. You know, they got like 10,000 worth of bottles and all this at Donovan Manette's party. Remind you, this is a party. I'm thinking we getting there. We getting for free. We going there. We got to pay for the ticket. We got, like, man, this dude got all this money. He making people pay his own teammates to get in the party. Right. So, we get in there. Towards the end of the party, Hank Bassett came up to me and hand me a receipt talking about this is your rookie dinner for the year. You know, rookies got to pay for the dinner and shit. They was like, you got to pay 10,000. And I must have looked at his ass crazy. I said, man, I'm not paying that 10,000. You got to go give that shit to somebody else. I'm not paying for that. That was somebody trying me, but I'm like, Hank Bassett, I'm like, bruh, I mess with you, dog, but Jack ain't paying that one, dog. How do you, how do you, you- Hold on, hold on. Was that the only time you ever got tried? That was the only time I ever got tried. Anything else, ain't nobody ever tried. You know, I'm LA. You know, I got the team tied in. Your memory fucked up. Bro, I'm the Eagles guy. What you talking about? Matter of fact, when you played for the Eagles, he worked for the Eagles. Okay. What are we talking about there? Sean Keegan, my camera guy. Okay, remind me. So what, how my memory messed up? What are we talking about? You know, everybody used to come to the studio. You, Sante, name, just name them. They get Marty Gilliard. Where you going with this? You don't remember you fired off on Marty in practice? Well, he was a receiver. Yes, he was a receiver. Fuck you. With the dreads. Yes. Fuck. Damn, you probably got some shit on me. Man, that's a lot of shit I don't remember, man. I was there like 20 years ago. Yeah, yeah. He was right there, too. I'll put the story up. He said, I was right there. He said, he said that the guy with the dreads wouldn't let it go. He wouldn't let it go. I do remember that shit. I can't remember what it was about, though. God. You and, I can tell you what it was about. You and LeSean wouldn't fucking stop. He got mad. Y'all started going back and forth. You started gangbanging all in practice. Fuck out of here, cuz. And then you fired off on him. And. It got broken up, and he was mad as shit. I talked to him that day. He was mad as shit. He was like, I need my kick back. He was. Damn, you got it off on him. He didn't get back. No, he was mad as shit. He got off on him. Listen, this with the NFL coming to play, too, right? He was like, Gilly, man, I ain't want to leave out that motherfucking building without getting my kick back. He was mad as shit. Country nigga, too. He ain't doing bullshit. He was like. Fucking coaches walked up on me talking about. You knew you the fifth receiver on the team. And if they have your ass getting cut. Yo, man, you might as well. Man, is that deep? You touch his hand, boy. He say, your ass getting out of the building. Is that deep? Damn. Yeah. Shout out to my man, Marty, though. He is a good dude. That's a good dude. He was mad as a motherfucker, man. You brought some shit up with that one, though. Yeah, yeah, see? I remember everything. Now, when you're looking at the league today, right? Versus when you play. Is there any difference? Hell, yeah. They throwing the ball. Them, they're 70, 80 times a game, man. That's a. I look. I see. I look at the game now. When we was. When we was playing. You had to set up the pass through the run. You know what I'm saying? Nowadays, they come out just passing. They want to put 80 points up on the board, man. What? Caleb Williams in the first game. He scored like 59 points. So, I mean, I'm just looking at the dynamics of the game. Like, even going back to a few years ago. You got Jalen Wilder. You got Tyreek Hill. When they was playing in Miami. Like, them dudes getting like 115 catches. The most catches I had. In one year was 83 catches. And you got to think. My attempts. I was probably getting maybe 100 attempts. These dudes now getting like 150 attempts, man. So, the era has changed. It's more about putting points up. And, you know, you can't hit as hard now. Because if you hit somebody hard, they're going to throw you out the game. So, I think it's set up for high scoring and for like a lot of passes now. That's deep now. Now, who was your best teammate that kept you on point? Kept you on line when you was in it? When you was on the team? What team was you on when you was? Damn, that's a good question. That really was like, man. Always. Because that person could really get to you and be like, man, stay locked in, man. Who was it? I would probably say, man. When I was younger, man. I'm going to say two people. So, when I was younger, it was Brian Dawkins. When I first came to the Eagles. Yeah, B. Dawkins, man. He, for one, I ain't never had a teammate to try to kill me in practice. He came. I was a rookie. I caught my first pass. I caught like a fire hitch. And he came down like the roof of a room. You know how you call it. You know how to twist. I came down and tried to smack him. I ducked. I said, man, we in practice. He was like. But now, B. Dawkins, man. I remember I was a rookie and I had fun. But we was playing Chicago Bears. And I think Peanut Tillman had punched the ball out. You know, he was a legend for that. And I had fun. But I came back to the sideline. I never had nobody cuss me out without cussing me out. If that makes sense. Like, you know, he's all about the Lord and he don't cuss. So, he turns into an alter ego. But he cussed me out. And I just think he held me accountable. And he like taught me a lot, you know, on how to play the game and how to be a professional on and off the field. So, I would say him. And then my second would probably be like Trent Williams. He's like one of my close friends, you know. And I played with him in Washington. And, you know, he always just like, Jack, you got to calm down. You too hot-headed. You know, he kind of kept me level-headed because I was always turnt up. And just like, man, you just got to play the game with these folks. Uh-huh. You now being a coach, right? Yeah. A young athlete. You know, a lot of things changed since when you was in college and now. For sure. And all type of thing. Where do accountability stand now with these young athletes? Man, I think accountability is first and foremost the ultimate, you know, like that's number one in anything you do. Like being a coach now and kind of going back to when I was playing, like I understand from a coach's perspective why my coach was the way they were on me. Because, you know, when you're a player, you not understand. You just think you can do however you want to do it. You got attitudes. You mad. Like give me the ball, this, that, and the third. Or like why my coach being so hard on me? Why he disciplining me for this and that? So, when you a star player, you got to get disciplined a little harder because like if the team sees the star player being disciplined and being yelled at and certain things. That, you know, he's not going to let you do it. Then it's like everybody got to fall in line. So, I feel like now that I'm in this position, like you got to own up to the accountability. Like when you wrong, you right. You know, you late. Like every little thing. I think a lot of people don't understand, like, how hard it is being a professional athlete. And then, too, football. Like, we play once a week. Like, the amount of work leading up to the game determines the wins and losses on Saturdays or Sundays whenever you're playing. So, I think, like, going back, I really didn't understand that. I was like, man, my coach tripping about practicing on Tuesday, and the game ain't until Saturday. Like, I'm trying to make it until Saturday. But it's like, if you bushing all the way through the week and you just think you're going to show up on Sunday or Saturday and just it's automatically going to be right, like, you're fooling yourself. So, that's kind of the respect for the leading up to the work that leads up to the game. I think I respect it a lot more now. If you could go back and do just one thing different, like, you know what, if I could go back and change something and do one thing that I felt as though it would have made me even greater, what would that have been? I don't like to live with regrets, but, I mean, that's a great question. I just feel like my attitude, I feel like, my worth ethic, like, a lot of shit came easy to me. Like, I was effortless. I ran routes easy. My hands was natural. I was fastening everybody on the field. So, like, for me, it was like, I don't feel like I worked as hard as I could have worked. But what's crazy about this documentary I got coming out now is, like, people are going to be able to really see all the hard works, all the trials and tribulations that I had to go through. Like, there was a lot of things that people didn't see, and they just was like, oh, he ain't working hard just because this shit came easy to me. But it's like, if you only knew, if you could peel back the layers and see the shit my dad had to go through, my brothers, like, you know, me as a little kid, everybody, like, doubted me. Like, they said, like, man, you too little. One 50, one 60. You ain't going to make it. You short. You 5'9". Like, so, for me, I think everything leading up to it was just, like, always easy for me. So, like, if I could go back, I just probably, and with the success I had, and I'm saying this, just imagine if I would have did a little more, stayed at the facility later, or didn't drink, party, hang out, you know, doing all that shit. I think if I would have just been a little more dedicated, I probably would have been a lot more successful. See, I'm going to say this, though, right? Yeah. I'm going to say this episode of Million Dollars Worth a Game is brought to you by DraftKings. The football season is heating up, and every week feels bigger with DraftKings. DraftKings Sports App is now live in all 50 states. I don't care if you're in Pennsylvania, you're in Texas, you're in California, you're in Florida, every fan is in on the excitement. Follow the teams you love. Keep up with the biggest games and experience the excitement of football all week long. 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Terms at dkng.co slash offer. Limited time offer. Nationwide. Based on sportsbook predictions and free-to-play sports contest availability. Varies by state. I'm going to say more of your work ethics than your attitude. Because you've got to understand, when you're 5'9 and you weigh 155, 160 pounds, you've got to have a certain dog in you that's just like, y'all can't fuck with me or you're not going to last. For sure. You've got to have a certain amount of belief. You feel me? I go back to one of the very first interviews you ever did after you got drafted by the Philadelphia Eagles. I don't even know if you remember this. But they said, how do you feel being able to come in, you know, learn behind Reggie Brown? I think that was his name, right? Reggie Brown and Kevin Curtis. Right, right. And, you know, and the one thing that always stuck in my mind when I looked at you and said, I said, he going to be fucking great, is you didn't give up the NFL answer. You didn't say, well, you know, I just want to come in and learn. And I just, you said, I ain't coming. It'll be no backup. Facts. Like, fuck is y'all talking about? I'm coming to Texas. Learn behind Reggie Brown? What the fuck is y'all talking about? Reggie Brown going to sit his dumb ass down? Like, and that's what, and I read through the body language and everything. Like, oh no, this kid going to be good. Yeah. Because you was basically telling the reporters, like, what the fuck is y'all talking about? For sure. I just got drafted number 47. Something in the second round. I'm fucking coming in here to be a dog. I knew right then. I said, so the attitude, the confidence, it might've been some things you could have changed in the building, right? Yeah. But you got to understand a lot of what made you great was knowing you was great. You feel what I'm saying? A hundred percent. So, so you can't take that dog out of you because then you ain't going to be the same dog. For sure. You got to understand, you took a kid, right? Let me tell y'all back how we met. Kid get drafted to the Philadelphia Eagles wide receiver from LA. I get a call. One of my young kids is down there, man. I need you to look after him. All right, bet. I see him at powerhouse. I walk up on him at powerhouse. As the true Philadelphia Eagle fan I am, I told you exactly how many yards and how many catches you had at the moment, right? A hundred percent. Right? For sure. We exchanged numbers. We was homies ever since. Little bro to me ever since. Not too long after that, I get a call that D-Jack is getting a tattoo in the middle of Iraq in his rookie year. So we get on the phone and I'm like, bro, what the fuck are you doing down at 29th and Girard getting a fucking tattoo at 1130 at night? What the fuck are you doing? He like, no, it ain't cool. And you got to understand, at this time, Jack ain't even all the way adapted yet. He's still looking like a Cali nigga. Like, he got, what's them drinks y'all wear, the shorts and shit, like? The Dickies? No, it's like a pattern. Pendleton? It's like a pattern. The bandana? No, it's like a pattern, like a plaid. Yeah, he got them plaid shorts and shit. He looking like, fresh like an L.A. nigga. Yeah. In the middle of North Philly, bunch of ice on and shit. He walking like an L.A. nigga, standing like an L.A. I said, get the fuck out of here. I said, Jack, you're in the NFL. You don't go to fucking tattoo artists. They fucking come to you. He like, oh, all right, that makes sense. But like, this hot ghetto he fucking was when he came to the fucking city. Now, Jack. Yeah. This is about me. And I was worth a game, right? 100%. And this is about giving the youth game, right? Young, you and your second year, maybe. Third year, maybe. Killing shit. Just come to the studio, smoke your weed. One day I show up at the studio, I see something else. I'm like, a little drinky drink. I'm like, oh, what the fuck's going on? I'm like, you don't understand that. I love him. I don't love you more than the Eagle Snake. And you probably don't even know to this day. I called and told big homie. That's why he flew in. Do you remember that? Yeah. Because I said, oh, man, I don't know if it's him doing it or the team doing it. But I know. I've seen that shit in the studio. Get the fuck down here. Last thing I need is Neff getting poked over. He on it or his wedding or. So tell the youngins how important it is to surround yourself around the right people. And when you get all the access and the money, because now they ain't even got to make it to the league to get the money. Now you get the money in college. Now you're around all the rappers. Sometimes you start doing what the rappers do. Now you're around other athletes. You see them do shit. You like them. OK, that's what they do. Tell them how important it is to stay their course. I would say the biggest thing, man, like you can't be naive to the real. Like and when I say the real is like, you know what you signed up for. Like, you know, for me, I'm from L.A., born and raised, grew up, you know, gangbanging culture, bloods, crips. Like, you know, that was my lifestyle. Like, you know, I saw drug abuse. I saw violence. And that shit was at my front door, you know. So for me to be playing sports like sports was my way out. You know, I think a lot of people like they're not using sports for the right things. It's like the money going to come. But when you really dedicated your heart in it, your heart in the right place, like the accolades, the money like that's just going to be there. But I think that the hard work and the dedication is what people got to amount to when it comes down to like, do you really want it or you just want the girls? You just want to say, I wore a jersey or I played for Coach Jack. I played for Deontay. Or I played for Mike. Like, whatever that is, you searching for when it's pure and your heart is in it. it everything else gonna come and i think for me my heart was in it was pure just like the people that i was around like i tried to save everybody you know i'm saying that sometimes like when you got a big heart you can't save everybody because when you're trying to save everybody you're not really saving yourself if that makes sense you know so like the game i already give to these young dudes nowadays it's like i make sure your heart is in and make sure it's pure like you can't you can't save everybody it's it's a saying that they say everybody can't go and i already feel like for me i felt everybody could go like you know i'm taking out taking people from the hood you know 40 60s like all my even bloods like you bloods and crips i'm like man we i'm gonna be the gap to bridge all this shit together like on the outside the owners the general managers they didn't really see it as that because they like man he got gang members he got drug dealers he got killers around him but in my eyes i'm like man i made it to the nfl like i'm trying to bring y'all away from the hood i'm trying to bring y'all affiliate you know every time i was out here i had 10 to 20 15 homies with me you know so for me i just like you gotta know who really for you who not for you and i know it's hard and i know it can be blinded by the lights but like man you know when somebody for you and they not for you i feel like energy is big you know i'm saying if you feel something like go with your gut you know and i feel like nowadays we blinded by like oh that's my boy he ain't gonna do nothing wrong and that'd be the main motherfucker that's gonna stab you in your back you know i'm saying so i just just say be cautious of what you put out man because the more you put out the more you're gonna get you know how do you feel about the group though knowing that just you gotta go through shit though bro i feel like you gotta because when you ask about the growth it's like how like how can i grow if i don't go through pain right but what i'm saying is right how do you feel about this growth knowing that when i met you you was a good kid great athlete somewhat a little not wild but i was wild you can say a little reckless i was i was i was turned he was turned yeah right but now probably you if you look at you then you would say it's not a handful of people in the world that would believe that you would be in the position that you are now and responsible for these kids lives that you're responsible for now how you feel about that growth as a man yeah i mean hats off i feel like i would have never predicted it like i would i would have never in a million years told you i would have been sitting in front of you right now telling you i'm a head coach and i know we see that a lot but i feel like i would have never predicted it but i feel like i would have never predicted it but i feel like i would have never predicted it each other since i became a head coach but like just going back to the last time i i was on million dollars worth of game like you know i was in a space where i was towards the end of my career about to retire like i didn't i didn't know my next phase you know what i'm saying i sat around after playing 15 years and i was like you know what i deserve to not do nothing for a whole year and after that first year came up i'm like hold on shit i gotta get my ass off the couch and i started doing the media you know i did the podcast i was trying to do um the broadcasting on fox and nfl network and that shit really didn't stick because i was like i'm gonna do it i'm gonna do it a lot of that shit is like already they got their talent already laid out for the next two three four five years so for me i was in a space where i didn't really know what to do and i just got up one day my uh my assistant head coach coach clark is my uh assistant head coach at um delaware state and he was coaching that's big bro he's in the documentary as well too he filmed a lot of the footage with uh with big bro byron um but he'd been coaching like past 30 years in high school and i was like you know what i'm gonna go try coaching and after the first week man because that first week was crazy you know it was like deer in the headlights all the players like oh my god deshaun jackson it was like they was more fanned out but after that first week like all the stuff i was telling him i started seeing it sink in and i'm like man i could probably really do this coaching shit so to say like the growth man like it's amazing how you able to like be in a position where you're impacting young man's lives and not only on a football field but just in life like better fathers better you know sons you know i'm saying human beings in society because you know to be a head coach at a collegiate and especially at hbcu man like our obstacles and our resources is like slim to none bro so like it's a challenge and i was just telling wallow man sometimes i'd be like stressed out like man i don't know how i can do this because like my life good you know money good kids good like i'm straight for life but it's like here it is it's not like i'm not coaching to say it's for the money right now now maybe i can get to a bigger and better destination and it's going to be beneficial but right now i'm not coaching because of the finances because that's it's not you know what i'm saying so for me i just feel like just being in a position to really be in a position to really get these young men game because i did a lot of bonehead stuff bro you know i feel and it's like i know what they're looking for now a lot of these guys that hbcus may not get that opportunity but at least if i could give it to them potentially if you do use it to go then then that's that's the more of what it's for you know what i'm saying but see with this go go deep right i realized that a lot of this wouldn't be possible if you wasn't doubted if i wasn't doubted yeah it seemed like doubt was your like emotion that was that was the whole your whole life the fire that really made you get to where you at today is like doubt how important is doubt because you know a lot of people hear it because listen we live in the we live in the world today right where it's though it's not like back in the day these kids gotta they gotta play and then they gotta look at all these comments of people for sure who wish they was living their life i mean ain't living their life so everybody got an opinion today it's like we live in the world where there's so many opinions and how do you educate them to be able to like you know take the doubt when you lose you know to get back up and just stay motivated and use all that doubt that's coming your way because now even the reporters is more vocal about how they talk about athletes i'm talking about and and i always ask gill i'll be i'll be taking the shock i'll be like damn what team to do play for like when i'm you know sports he'd be like he never played uh he never played for a team he always got something to say about somebody like he do we understand what i have like the it's not like it's different like like with us it's different we was in a locker room we played the game on a high level so it's different for us but but it's just like when i see somebody talking it ain't but you gotta think about it these same people got so much power and it really can affect people lives no that's true i feel like the i want to speak on the doubt for a minute so in my in my life man like the doubt was like a real thing since pop warner like going back to pop warner i was playing for two different teams at one time and it was really because my dad felt like the head coach at the time had a son to play quarterback and he wanted his son to be the star and then my dad like tripping because he's like no my my boy the best on his team you know what i'm saying so i feel like every step of the way has became doubt oh he's small he too little he ain't big you know he ain't the prototype receive whatever the case may be so like when you talk about doubt man like and and you this space we in now with mental health and yeah you know you got kids come in and start playing and you know you got kids come in and start playing and you know suicide and like man like it's that's a space that's like very touchy and you know i just try to encourage people because it's it's okay to be vulnerable i think first off vulnerability is something that's understandable and i think to the first part of admitting your own faults and areas of weakness is a man is a step of growth for me man like i never worried about what him him and said about me because at the end of the day i know the support system i had around me believed in any and everything i wanted to do my aspirations was bigger than anybody else's says or do's and don'ts that i felt like i put on myself so i already prepared myself for your doubt so when i'm working oh you said i can't do this i'm working on that you said i can't do that i'm working on that and then at the end of the day when you see me pop out it's like damn he's doing everything we said he couldn't do so i feel like that growth and understanding doubt embrace it right but then at the same time check that shit off you doubt me you said i can't do it or i'm not i'm not i don't got good hands i ain't got strong hands i can't run routes i can't run a slant like address everything and then move on and then from there you'll look at me like damn i already beat the odds like that's a real situation like i feel like i beat the odds like you can't talk about somebody and let's just go back the past five quarterbacks of the eagles or who just go back and start at don mcnapp what you mean coming forward from back forward uh donald mcnapp uh michael vick carson wentz you forgot nick foals uh nick foals i know you meant in order okay just say it yeah you're right you're right nick foals and uh kevin cobb jalen hurts so that's good you can stop right there so so think about this go back and find any other player that caught from five different quarterbacks in in in five and no in two decades you're looking at them from any other team oh no we looking at right now you ain't gotta tell me i'm the eagles fan we looking at the nigga that got the greatest fucking play in nfl history the miracle at the metal lands was rated number one play in nfl history you feel me let me ask you a question was that your greatest play do you consider your greatest play ever miracle in metal lands yeah that's one of them i can't even say i ah i got three can i give you three you want me to just pick no three so monday night adr bomb michael vick laron laron landry popped all that shit oh yeah yeah took the top ball yeah yeah cowboys 91 yard touchdown fall back in the end zone yeah that way and there we go miracle at the metal lands i'll go top three let me ask you this hold on before you go any further right hold on you know the miracle at the metal lands right was like one of those times i said he's a real fucking asshole yeah because running him to get my ass in the end zone like instead of just running the fucking - I had to make sure the time. - Fuck the time. We could have got a Holden, anything, a fucking anything. He going to run around and shit. I said, he's a fucking real asshole. But we loved it. We loved it. We was like, that's some Philly shit. Some real shit. That's the way to rub it in they fucking face. Now, top five wide receivers of all time. All time? Can I add myself or don't I add myself? Yeah. Do you? So I'm putting myself in there. I'm going Randy Moss, Megatron, Antonio Brown, Larry Fitzgerald, and me. Damn, no Jerry. Let me ask you a question. Hold on, hold on. My bad. Damn, Jerry's in there. My bad. Hold on, hold on. What the fuck's going on? So hold on, hold on. So Jerry, my bad. Jerry. Yourself. No, no, hold on, hold on. Jerry, Randy, Megatron. Yourself. Myself. Damn, my fifth, I'm going to probably have to go with. You said Fitzgerald. I'm going to go T.O. Fuck it. I'm going to just put T.O. in there. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm going to put T.O. in there. All right, now, if you had to, that's your top five right there. Yep. If you get honorable mentions, five more, who else would you put? So I'm going to go. No, who the top five right now? Okay, right now. So I'm going to go Chase, Jamar Chase. I'm going to go JSN. I'm going to go Jettis. I'm going to go Puka. And then my fifth, I still feel like Devontae. Oh, that's what I'm talking about. What the fuck I'm talking about? You're right. Fucking right you got to throw Devontae in there. That's what I'm talking about, dog. He love that. He was like, stop going for it. Who the best? Corner. No, no, give me your best five quarterbacks right now. Quarterbacks? I'm going to go Patty. I'm going to go Lamar. I'm going to go Josh. I didn't know particular order. Josh, I didn't. God hurts in there, so I got to do it because I know people hate on that. And I'm going to go, damn, I'm going to either say Herbert or Burrow. No, come on. Hold up, hold up, hold up, hold up, guys. Hold up, guys. Now, let me work. Let me work. Let me work, guys. What do I do, bro? Let me work. Who I miss? No, no, no. Let me work. From an NFL player, a legend. I need to know, why do everybody, all these commutators, hate on Hurst? Why? It's because I think it's his style of play. And I was just talking to somebody about this earlier. He ain't going to give you the 300 yards passing, three touchdowns, 100-yard rushing. He may throw a 150, may run for 80, maybe two touchdowns, and he's going to win the game. He's a manager. I feel like he's a game manager, and I feel like it's not as pretty as the Lamars, the Patricks, the Josh Allens. I'm just thinking. But if you go back. I'm just thinking. I'm just thinking. I'm just thinking. In 2017, he got the best winning percentage versus all these quarterbacks. They never talk about that. They always. They talk about everybody that didn't go to the bowl, ain't winning. Not 2017, 2019. I'm sorry. Whatever that was. Ain't go to the bowl. They ain't winning. They ain't winning nothing. That's what I'm saying. I think it's really just his style of play. And it's like, he don't really give them what they want. He going to give you the calculated answers. Like, he ain't going to make you. I feel like he really be on his Jordan shit, and you can't be mad at him. Shit, he signed to Jordan for a reason. I mean, before y'all had an opinion, I had a purpose. For sure. Like, this is what I don't understand. Justin Herbert, Joe Burrow. Where did I go wrong? Did I say something wrong? No, no, no. Listen. Justin Herbert, Joe Burrow, Jalen Hurts. Who else came out? Tua, Jordan Love. Tua, Jordan Love. All these dudes came out. Jordan Love could be up there, too. All these dudes came out in the draft together. The same draft. Jalen Hurts been to two Super Bowls in three years as a Super Bowl winner and a Super Bowl MVP. And in Super Bowl history, Jalen Hurts has two of the top-rated games in the top ten. He's actually number two and number eight in Super Bowl history. That ain't no fucking game manager. That is a nigga that gets it done. What I'm saying is, Matthew Stafford, he's 4-0 against Matthew Stafford, 2-0 against Jared Goff, 1-1 against Justin Herbert, right? 1-0 against Joe Burrow, 1-0 against Lamar Jackson. I mean, 2-0 against Josh Allen. What the fuck are we talking about here? What is your verse, Paddy? 3-2. Favorite Jalen Hurts. Yeah, I mean, shitty a winner, man. So, when they make all these dumbass lists up, right, I'm confused what they going off of. When we talk about, oh, he's top two in winning percentage in the league. Since 2021, he has the highest winning percentage. What the fuck are we talking? How can anybody with even a little bit of common sense even compare Justin Herbert to Jalen Hurts? They've been in the league the same amount of years he hasn't won a fucking playoff. And then he threw four fucking interceptions in one game. I'm just saying, like, that just don't make no sense to me. What do you think about that? I mean, you got a huge point. Like I say, when I'm putting top five, I'm putting Jalen Hurts in my top five. I know a lot of people will be like, he's the 13th best quarterback. I'm like, damn, you can really go pick 13 or 12 quarterbacks that's better than him. But like you said, when you go up to individual matchups, I'm beating you more than you beating me. I got a Super Bowl. I got my winning percentage. So, I mean, what else is there to talk about? And I've been to two Super Bowls. I just think, honestly, me personally, I think it's just the overall stats. I think that's what people get caught up in. It's like, how many yards did he throw for this year? If you go to the top five that they probably say, they're probably outthrowing him by 1,500, 1,200, maybe 2,000 yards. You know who threw for a lot of yards? Phillip Rivers. Guess what? No Super Bowls. It didn't fucking matter. I could sit here and tell you a thousand quarterbacks. Dak Prescott, he throws for a lot of fucking yards. Tony, when it's time to fucking win, he can't get it done. That's real. Joe Barrow. Look at his arm. He throws 84 yards on the run. It's time to win. Bam! Who the fuck else we need to talk about? Because the last time I checked, it's only a few motherfuckers getting to the Super Bowl. That's Patrick Mahomes and Jalen Hurts. And then my man. My man went last year, Sam Darnold, who nobody thought was going to do it, and he got it done. That shit was crazy, man. That shit was crazy. You would have never predicted that. Like, think about it. Sam Darnold got it done before Joe Barrow. Man. He didn't get it done before Hurts. At all. Imagine Sam getting it. Imagine a nigga named Sam Darnold getting it done before Hurts. Get the fuck out of here. That's my other quarterback. That's my team, Seahawks. I'm going to say this. I'm going to say this, though. They did that. I knew he was going to win. Now, it's normal for people to be recording people. Anything happens. People record people. How was it to have Byron recording you early in the game? What was in your mind? Because nobody knew it was going to become this. Yeah. I mean, if you go back and look at all the best documentaries you ever saw, right? You would think of Who Dreams. Yeah. And there's a few other documentaries. But I think what makes mine different is the raw footage we have. Like, we got raw footage since I've been six years old. This dude been having a camera. He still got a camera right now. But was it even like, because that wasn't a thing back then. It wasn't. Somehow, he was a visionary. He calls himself Spike Jingleton. Spike Jingleton. Okay. Spike Jingleton. You know, that's his term. Jingleton. Now, honestly, man, like, I think it was just for me as a young guy, like, I didn't really understand, like, now being an older guy, like, what it was going to turn out to. Like, I'm just thinking he filming and we got all this footage. And then, like, obviously, the older I got, I was like, oh, damn, we got all this footage. And, like, I used to be able to critique myself. I used to go back to workouts. I used to be able to see how I'm running routes. And, like, you know, it was just things that just was going on. Like, he would get into it with my dad. My dad would be cussing somebody out, you know. And I was like, man, pops was a fool. But the footage, man, like, the raw footage we got. And you could go back to when I was, like, 19 years old. Like, I used to say I was making it to the league. Like, I'm going to be this star player. Like, everything that I said turned out to be true. And I feel like you could go find any other documentary. You're not going to find that raw footage. So, for me, man, I'm blessed to be able to have that. I think my pops, the family. We're into, like, a family, you know, story. Like, it's just more about, you know, family. It ain't even really just me. It's just my family. But, you know, something else I said, too. LeVar Ball probably couldn't touch my pops jock strap. Like, pops was a fool. Like, I just would. You know, God bless my pops soul. But, like, man, the shit pops was on, man. He was ahead of his time. Let me ask you a question, though. Ho, ho, Gil. How important was it having the pops? And do you think you would have made it without that? Hell no, man. I think, man, my dad. My dad, first and foremost, was, he was a stand-up dude. Like, you know, he made it where it was like, we didn't have nothing growing up. Like, you know, and he was like, man, anything you wanted, like, you had to work for it. Like, and I feel like that's been removed from nowadays and these new kids because, like, they are very entitled. They feel like you old or something. Like, you know what I'm saying? But, like, my pops was like, if you want to get your ass off that couch, we want to go to the field. You want to work for that shit, you know? So, for me, it instilled, like, a hunger that, like, we didn't have shit. And if we, if we, If I wanted it, I had to go work for it. So I feel like my pops, man, like, and he was hard on me. Like, I used to get the shit beat out of me. I'm going to be real. Like, you know, nowadays, don't whoop your kids, you know, because it's crazy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, pops used to, nigga, take me in that bathroom and, yeah, yeah. You know, I still was hard on his head. Yeah, yeah. But he got on my ass. But for me, like, I think it was just the backbone of having a father that cared. I think the presence. Like, nowadays, you don't have men that care. I ain't going to say a lot. Most men care. But then you have a lot of absent fathers out here, too. So, you know, to be present, man, and not only be present financially, but be, like, an influence, a voice, like an inspirational voice, like, was huge for me to have. You got to understand, Big Jack wanted his boys to be great, man. Because before it was a D-Jack, it was a B-Jack. He was out there running routes and shit, but he didn't have the love for that shit. And I think Dad got him. It was like one last try out at, like, the Steelers or something. He was like, Pop, that shit, I'm done, I'm done, nigga. What the fuck is you talking about, Pop? I told you, I'm done, man. And then, you know, it's like, I'm shooting a documentary on B-Jack. You just don't know that. Like, how he picked the camera up. He picked the camera up for nothing. Told some chicks, come on over, help me get your portfolio ready. You know, you try to get some ass with the camera, you know. Yeah, the cameraman is bad. He tried to get some ass. He all of a sudden, shh, shh, shh. All right, lift your leg up here. All right, shh, shh, shh. That's a nice move. Yeah, that's a nice move. Get your portfolio right for your model, nigga. Yeah, your model. And then he was like, fuck it, I got the camera. I might as well go to his practice. And then that shit turned into something. Hold up, come over here, B. I'm going to get you in here because I want to ask you some questions. But hold on, let me just say this, too, man. Go ahead, let him go. Oh, come on. Let me just say this, too, right? Right, before we go any further, right, because this is already a documentary that I've seen early in that they have put out where it's though Pops, I want to say rest in peace to Pops, man, because Pops was somebody who, he didn't play no games. He was on your ass. I'm talking about Deshaun out there throwing up, and he like, I ain't trying to hear that shit, man. Let it out and come on. Like, let's get to work. Like, you feel what I'm saying? But sometimes in life, you need that kind of, that kind of discipline to be able to be great. You need somebody on your ass like that. And when you think you're missing out on stuff, oh, I can't go here because I got to go practice. I can't do this because I always, A thing is this, A thing is this, A thing is this. But then when you look up now, you get to do whatever you want. You don't realize it when you're going through it. Right. But then you look back 10 years later like, damn, I really appreciated that. Like, when my dad used to push me, I'm like, damn, why you push me? Why you push me so hard? And then I look back on his life. His father was a plasterer. So he made my dad work after school. Right. He couldn't play, like, after school football and all that stuff. He had to go to work. So my dad demanded the same thing. He demanded the same thing from us. But it was sports. Right. You know, his father didn't believe sports was a way of life for a black man back in those days. So 30 years later, my dad was like, yeah, sports is a way. You just got to work hard to get it. Right. Like, B, well, when you, when you started filming it, did you know it would become Go Deep? No, I didn't know it was going to be Go Deep. I was filming something called The Making of a First Rounder. That's what I was going to call it. Because I felt like I got to the Kansas City Chiefs. I had one of the best wide receiver coaches in the game, Al Saunders. And he gave me so much game, it didn't sink in until I was done. And I was like, I'm going to give all this to Deshaun. He always say I was so gifted so young and it came easy for me. It didn't come easy for him. We had his ass working when he was a kid. When he was like six years old, he was running professional routes. And we were critiquing him, having him do it over and over and over. So what he might think came easy, it was a lot of work put into it at a young age. He just don't remember all that work we had him doing. You catching footballs when you're four and when you're getting your coordination right. And so by the time you are old enough to remember, you're like, I've always been good. Like, I don't remember not being good. And we were like really honest. As far as the details, like a 12-yard route got to be 12 yards. If you run 13 yards, we're going to lose our patient. That's how in the NFL, you run your route. In short, it's like these NFL coaches, like, I'm going to lose my job. So that's how I was with Deshaun. As far as all the routes, catching the ball, details, looking the ball into the tuck, everything. At what age did you know he was special? Man, honestly, when he put on the pass for the first time in Pop Warner, he was special. Because he had that no fear. He was just no fear. He just went up to tackle a running back. He didn't, like, pause or anything. He just went head first and just wrapped him up, took him to the ground. That's not normal for a little kid. I don't know if he was watching his older brother with the Chiefs and this, that, and the other. But he just had that knack. Yeah, so hold on. So you telling me, hold on. So you telling me, I might got something with my nephew? I mean, you can see it. Because he's seven years old, right? This is first season playing, right? A kid broke out to the outside, and my nephew ran him down and literally dived in the air on the kid and went to the ground. Then they give him the ball. He go up the middle, and he kind of, uh, and then go to the outside and then run for about 15, and then they give him another sweep, and he just go to the house with it. Oh, yeah. He got that knack. Now you just got to keep developing it. You got to keep developing it. Because this is first year playing, too, like. Yeah. I mean, football, you could tell right away, either you got it or you don't got it. Yeah. Because football is a different sport. You go on full speed and that contact. Right. Some people go full speed, and then they slow up at the contact. You got to go full speed and go through the ball carrier. Right, right. So you could kind of see little glimpses, but those little glimpses got to be kind of redefined and cultivated. And I think what Deshaun had, he didn't, like he said, he didn't just have me. My dad got all of my friends to circle Deshaun and train them. So if I wasn't there, Travis was there. If Travis wasn't there, Derrick was there. If Derrick wasn't there, Booker was there. So my dad had like a line to all of us, and he called all of us Deshaun's sons. I mean, no, he called all of us, all of my friends became my dad's sons. Yeah. So let me ask you a question. What should they expect when they see this on prime? Whew, they're going to expect a lot. I mean, if you can imagine. Seeing what goes on when a kid goes from Pop Warner to high school, and then he has to pick the best high school in the city of Los Angeles, and he goes to Long Beach Poly, you get to see all the behind the scenes, all the decisions that Deshaun had to make. And they weren't easy decisions, picking Cal over USC. All of, you know, his mom wanted him to go to USC. My dad wanted him to go to Cal. You know, I was kind of open. I wanted Deshaun to pick whatever school he wanted to go to, you know, and all our friends wanted him to stay. So you really get to see what really goes on. It's almost like being a fly on the wall through this all-American journey from, I say from Hollywood to the NFL, but really from Pittsburgh, my dad's story from Pittsburgh to LA, my story from DC to LA, and Deshaun's story from LA all the way to the NFL. It's almost like a true all-American story. It's like going from Pittsburgh, a blue-collar steelworking city, to Hollywood. From Hollywood, my dad came down on his luck. He had to move to South Central, to the Crenshaw District, from Crenshaw District all the way to the NFL, and now on the big screen, Hollywood again, full circle. So when is it available on Prime? On September 24th, two days. Two days is available on Prime. So listen, go deep. Over 240 countries, this documentary's going. Oh, and before we go, what do you want people to walk away with? I think a sense of. If I put my mind to anything, I could do it. It's going to be obstacles. It's going to be all types of adversity, but if I stick with the plan, I have a great support system. One thing Deshaun had, he had an amazing support system. So it could have been doubters all around us, but the support system he had around him, he could go through a wall if he wanted to with that support system. And DJ, when you look at your big bro, man, what do you see, man? I step. Man, so B-Jack was a. I call him the square. He was the one that wanted to do everything the right way. So when I used to steer off left, he'd be like, no, you can't do this. You can't talk to him like that. You can't show him this. But like one thing about him, he was very smart. He was very in tune to how things should be or how they wanted to see it. He was that part where like, man, you didn't run your route right. You didn't do this. When I wanted to do it my way, he used to kind of bring me back to center gravity. Have you. You know. For him documenting, doing his thing all these years, if you could say anything to him, man, just out of appreciation, what would you just tell him, man? Me? Yeah. Big bro? Yeah, big bro. I mean, he kind of stopped it. I want to say he stopped his life because at the end of the day, that was his passion. But like, you know, he put a lot on hold, you know, for my benefit. You know, I think him being able to film me, him being able to give me a lot of game. He poured a lot into me. And I think, you know, I never really. I ain't going to say I never really I got a chance to tell him, but for me, it was just, I appreciate him going against the grain, you know what I'm saying? Because he was the one that just got me right. He was the one that didn't tell me the shit I wanted to hear. And in the documentary, you hear Snoop saying that to us as well, too. He's like, you didn't keep him around you because you want to weak mind the motherfuckers around you. You want the motherfuckers to let you do whatever. B was one of those ones where he held me accountable, and he used to be telling me shit that I didn't want to hear. And that shit used to frustrate me. I'm like, bro, when I'm doing this, why you want me to do that? Like, bro, no, I don't want to do that. But that's big bro for you, you know? So I just say, I appreciate you. It's still frustrating. But it's always love, because every time I see you, I see him. No, for sure. He always on it. He's like on it. And it's like, how do it feel for you to see all this work coming to the screen? Like, coming to the. You know, I have to say, I appreciate Deshaun, because you could have any other subject would tell you to turn the camera off. Now, one time in 39 years has he ever told me to turn the camera off. And a couple weeks ago, I said, Deshaun, if you ever want me to turn the camera off, just do like that. He said, now you tell me that. Hold on. But if his NFL career don't tell you nothing, it's that nigga love the camera. That nigga, he ain't scored a regular fucking touchdown yet. He ain't ran an end zone and said, here you go, ref. Go fucking dive in this shit, flip it. Yo, did you ever watch yourself on SportsCenter? Be like, damn, I'm a bad motherfucker. Yeah, I used to be like, I'm a nut, shit. I used to be like, man, I don't want to see how the hell I did it. Honestly, looking back at it, I'm like, man, like, that shit was legendary, though, bro. Like, to really come for where I came and do what I did, man, like, that's why I asked that question, man. There ain't too many people that you could ask. You caught touchdowns from two different decades worth of quarterbacks, you know, on one team. Like, that shit ain't happened before. Who was your favorite quarterback? Michael Vick, and we out. D.R. Bonds, man. Let's go. You coming to this? Yeah. Go deep. Yes, sir. Go deep. Out now. Go get that. Go get it. Go watch that. Go stream that. Go check it out with the family. Right. Right.