Denny Love talks Kevin Langue Show, Kevin Hart, How to Make It as a Comic Ep. 100 | The Crew Has It

- Are you tapping in? - This is making sure people, I don't know if people heard you. - Yeah. - Make sure the mics will work. - Yeah, and I think that people should be compensated for things that they helped blow up. You would think that, yeah. (upbeat music) - Last ones of the Airport Bind Breakfast. - Bind Breakfast. (upbeat music) - Day one, day one. (upbeat music) - All right guys, look, here's the thing. This is episode 100 of The Crew Has. Technically, we kind of put one episode hidden because a certain person kind of screwed us over, but we won't go into that. We won't go. It's already drama. (laughing) Well, maybe I'll just call it a throughout the episode. But, this is one of my favorite people of all time. He's hilarious, he's absolutely blowing up right now. And I just love him so much. We got Denny Love in the building, right? (laughing) - We probably shouldn't do that right away. - No, but here's the thing, and I think that's a little too black for you because you like to- - I'm on the black podcast. - Yeah. - You know I'm white famous, so it's nice to be here. - The bit between me and Denny is I'm more loved in the culture and just white people love him. - And it really pisses me off. And I really got a bone to pick with both of y'all and we'll get into it and it's for completely separate reason. - Okay, well let's get into it now, let's do it. - Well, I've never actually met Mike in person. It is an honor to meet you, but I've been waiting to talk to you for years and they have no idea. 'Cause you know, in Hollywood, there's only a certain, it's a very small circle of black actors in this town that work and you take all my jobs, though. (laughing) You take all my- - No, no, no, no, I'm not, 'cause you think I'm playing, I have a list of all the jobs you've taken from me. - All right, well. - Would you like to hear it? (laughing) - Yeah, let's do it. - Yeah, we need to, obviously. - 'Cause I think you probably don't even remember this one, but every time I'm this close to a role, he gets the role. - Okay, let's hear it. - I'm low-key, I've low-key been waiting to see you for a long time. - And then once you do that, I have a bone to pick with you right after I book a lot of those. - Oh shit, yeah. (laughing) - Charlie in Ultromondo, do you remember that? - I remember. - See Italian movie? - 2010. I was supposed to, I was up for Charlie. - But you know he knows full Italian from that movie now. - And that's why he booked it, I'm sure. (laughing) - Did you learn Italian during that movie? - Yeah, we had to learn Italian for the whole shit. - You see? - How young were you at that? 'Cause Michael was like nine, 10. I was probably about 16. - Damn, well that's it, yeah, okay. - That's crazy though, what the hell? - Yeah, Ultromondo, Woody in love. - Do you remember that? - I remember that. (laughing) - Don't keep going. - The second chance Christmas. - Oh, I forgot about that movie. - I'll see, he only remembered, you see, I, yeah. - He only remembered the shit you took from me. That meant something to me, Michael. - Ah! - That meant something to me. (laughing) - He only remembered the roles that he done did in his life. - Yeah, yeah. - And this was gonna be life. Do you know how bad I wanted to be in second chance Christmas? (laughing) - Do you know how much I wanted to be in it? - Michael, I didn't even know you did a movie called the second chance Christmas. - Yeah, it was filmed in LA. I think that's like the only project I ever filmed in LA. - You see how casual you is with that stuff? (laughing) 'Cause this could have changed my life. Okay, is it? - No, no, no. - There's more? - I wanted to be in orange, there's a new black. - Yeah, yeah. - It's well. I wanted to be that, they didn't call me in for that, but I wanted to be in that. (laughing) - Okay. - Barbershop, the next cut. - Okay. - Do you recall that one? - I remember, yeah, that one, I remember that one. - I like what you did in the film. (laughing) I would've been in a different direction with my camera, but I like it too big. (clapping) - Did I say the butler? - No. - The butler as well. - Damn, Mike. - Did you don't understand this dude? It's a group of us, we have a group chat. - It's called We Old Fuck With Michael, like that. (laughing) - I gotta watch Rob back when I come out of LA now. - You grits in there too. - Interesting. - Okay, so that's all. - It's my back when I come out there, bro. - And I should've, oh yeah, yeah, oh yeah. - Well he's good with me, he checks in, we're good, yeah. Okay, so now I have a bone to pick with you. So, when I moved to LA, all right, I was, I was loved, I wanted to be in the young adult. Like, I wanted to do like, the John Green. I was loving like, the fall in our stars type stuff. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - What's the other one with Caradell Levine and Nat Wolf? I know you, that's not fall in our stars? - No, but it's John Green. - I was reading all those books in high school. I had a big young adult face, I stuck in love. Like, I was loving this stuff. - Oh wow. - Like the little sad boy, you know what I mean? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - So there was a book that I read. As I was moving to LA, it was called Looking for Alaska. - Wow. - And so, it was originally a film. It was originally a movie set up at Temple Hill. - I remember it. - And it was Wicked Godfrey. I don't know who was directing it. But I was like, this is fake. I moved to LA, it was my first audition, I think, and I was like, this is fake, this is what I'm supposed to do. I audition for it a bunch of times. - And the character is written exactly like you. - Yeah, and I was like, this is literally fake. - Sure. - A big energy, like, you know, lights up or roll. - I like to say I'm average-sized, but well, yeah. - Well, okay, so I don't get it. And then the movie falls apart, it never happens, right? And then all of a sudden, maybe like two years later, - They waited on me. - It gets cast, and it's a black man. And it's then he loved. - You didn't get an audition for that when I did get Michael. - And I didn't, he was too busy making, fucking 500 grand an episode on Power, but it's all good. - I wish. - Thank you. - What up, y'all. We're gonna take a quick break from the episode. We're super excited to announce that the boys have partnered with Revolve Man. 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That's Revolve.com/Crew for 15% off of your entire order. - Now, that's over and soon, so don't sleep back to the episode. - But, so I wanna know, like, did they make it a, did it change when you audition as, or was it, Open Ethnicity? - 'Cause sometimes what they'll do is they'll say, Open Ethnicity, and then everyone can audition for it. - Yeah, no, it was a white character. - It was in the book, in the book, it is a white character. By the time it made it to me, it had become a black character. It was literally written like a young Kevin Hart. That's literally what it's in the description. - Wow. - Young Kevin Hart. - Interesting. - Yeah. - You are like the white. Yeah, Kevin Cosmer But that was just one of them was why you know Hollywood has had been changing in a way where they're just like blind color blind casting Yeah, I wanted to be more but it was also like Asian black white. I think they just wanted it to be more that I appreciate it if they went a little bit more closer to the book and an honor John Green's writing But it's okay. I get it. You know, you needed you needed something. You know what John Green said to me You did you have had you ever met him probably not you know what he has said to me. He has said to me He said you're exactly what I envisioned when I wrote this And I said you full of shit John Green White character it was a Southern white like white white trash character or short Yeah, but that is kind of like I've always felt like you and I are very similar in personality 100% that's why I hated you when I met you I don't fucking okay, okay, okay, you understand we met okay, you were tore you were you were open How did you guys me? Yeah, how did you guys we met in Vegas? We're there my line. We met always in with Theo. Yeah. Oh, wow So look obviously like you know Titus called just called me like 30 minutes ago and told me to pull up to the UFC fight with him this weekend in Vegas I don't get to bring that up or it's actually an LA, but um, so he he whatever so Theo had a show in in Vegas And I went and pulled up said hi, and Denny was at your first time opening for you. Yeah, yeah, and and you crushed you did great and I was even you standing out a lot of people were up One I think they went to the what they went to the bathroom, but people stood up. Go ahead They was standing up regardless Go ahead, okay, okay, and and and and and I I met Denny and I was like he's hilarious I love them. We went out to draze afterwards, and you know draze is like I did okay. I'm a I'm a really gashy for a second I was like who is this white boy like you had sauce. We went to dinner. We went to the Dres they letting us just walk straight in. Yeah, I'm like who is this dude and you just have like a little swagger of house You buzz that have you I took some some roles from him to have have you told him the go-go squeeze story You can okay, so you know me. I'm you know you be still in roles, but I stole in a few from him He did so I'll pull up not a few is one, but it was two. It was to go go squeeze Okay, and look at him and listen to relax, okay, so Both have a audition for go-go squeeze. Do you know what that is neither did we We pull up to the audition and I see his car. Of course everybody at LA know the kind of car. Yo ass drive I'll pull up and I'm like there's no way this is G. There's no way he's here Why is that at the time? I wasn't the push at this time. Yeah, I was the green as them. Oh, yeah And I parked it right. Okay, so this is like a casting office that does like commercial stuff and I never audition for commercial stuff But the reason why I did it was because I had maybe turned down two years of auditions for this commercial This commercial agent that I had just too much money just getting too much money No, I just was like working and all the stuff and I'm like I'm not going to a cattle call casting for for a commercial audition. I'm just not doing it fair and For that that was actually the go-go squeeze was the first and last commercial audition. I've been new sense power Really? Yeah, because so people dude like not to like to my own horn like say on better than it would be like But like people were asking me like other kids auditioning were asking me for photos to going into the audition room But it's so I always tell and it's like my that that agent at the time didn't understand the motion that power has Because the casting directors would be like oh, we don't know who Gianni is we've talked about a lot in the podcast Like the type of motion we have doesn't equate to the type of love in Hollywood. We get because Hollywood don't really give a fuck about power if I'm being frank like black fame and District fame so I would go there was a lot of black character There was a black character in the go-go squeeze for commercial whatever So there was a lot of black actors in there being like they initially were hyping it like chance the raffle Yeah, I'm gonna be in the commercial or some like big name right was any so I pull up and there's kids like like as I'm about to Greeting the script and like looking at what I had to say there were kids asking me for photos And I'm like this I can't be taken pictures with people before I go into it for one picture. Don't act like I A bunch of bitch. I asked you for one picture But oh, yeah, so I pull up and I see Denny and he see we I he sees me as they pull up I parked my car on like the first spot like insane like it was valet There's no valet I don't know Just pikes it on the sidewalk mind you got the same bus down chain bus down roly. I'm like Gianni Why are you dressing like this? You're not about to get this role, bro. I don't need this. Why are you here? I need I need this. I'm doing I'm doing the action after this. Why do you why are you here? Yeah, I I didn't want the role I just wanted to make my my commercial Aging at the time happy because he was doing some braining stuff too But like he was really annoyed that I wasn't going to anything. I'm like and that was the last one I went to after I left I was like I can't do this So there's but you book money you of course I did so there's So there's money you just won't be like I'm good with I'm straight on that. Yeah, I just was like not into it I'm like really here's a thing and and I may be wrong in this and tell me because I want to give you your flowers you are One of the most hardworking funny talented genuine people that I know and give him a second and let's say something Michael, do you want to add anything to that? I would I want to second that you know that one of the greatest people I've ever met I I actually don't love the energy of acting class and I don't love the energy of like Of commercial auditioning a rapper because like it feels desperate and then and then it seeps into me Does that make sense like when I was doing a lot of actors will feel the way about that statement? Because we it's such a hustle culture for fair that we've been taught and I think that what y'all are You you there's a few other people y'all aren't really actors You want to know what y'all are rappers? You are rappers and actors at the same time. I like how y'all raptors Yeah, it's me y'all too Chris lofted in shut up Chris. Yeah, Patrick is like he trying to audition to be one of y'all What's all are is you're also lit like there are actors that are series regulars that cannot pull up to dress and just walk in the door Yeah, you know what I mean? No, I would say I would say 95% of actors 100% and even aliens Like they walk into trace people big we don't care and 100% but if that person walked down the red carpet at the Emmys Oh my god, yeah, but same thing like y'all will pull up court side to a next game and be on the jumbo tron Just like the people yeah love y'all and as actors It's like we've been taught like there's a certain way to be and honestly y'all are the reason that British actors be taking our jobs Okay, explain. I'm not I'll explain it because the way British actors are it is like they're gonna be taking on a shit They they taking them is because they look at the raptors like y'all aren't safe You know what British actresses they come to interviews. They sit like this. They're very Clean everything is very easy. They do not have to worry about a PR nightmare, right y'all Or it could be a PR issue fair you might go from set and go to magic city No, we will go from set That's what we do but that's the problem. You know what the mandem doing they drink and tea when they leave say Sleep you you outside. Yeah, what does that mean for production? They're like the the American actors They just a little too untamable, but do you want to know and I'll rebuttal that first off? Do you post in parties, bro? Do you want to know why that is why it's because of Curtis Curtis 50 cent Jackson Curtis 50 cent Jackson the go my brother. I love him so much that out the fifth he He does that for us in a way that hill dude you want to know what he did three weeks ago He posted sexy red bent over in front of me on his Instagram to 40 million people and said Gianni's a movie star There's nobody in this town that has what he has. He's just got something different That's why we're able to do that is because 50 does that he posts Micorainy junior in a suit being like this my guy since he's 11 years old doing big shit Wow, the reason we can do that is 50. We don't know what happens when we pull up to London and 50 has a show Or even if we just pull up like Super Bowl like oh 50s that's Super Bowl like let's just pop over to a show He goes oh you guys are coming out coming out. Wow throw us out on stage make us look like it's 50 that that that doesn't John Green never did that for me. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's I never popped out at a book signing you know what I mean like I've never But that's what I mean y'all are so lit in a way that I it almost feels like Anti-industry like on some rogue like rockstar shit, right? I think that scares people. I think that scares Casting directors is that child are untamable Yeah, but I get to see what I mean Like the industry is very much a certain way, but y'all can say crazy shit do crazy shit Yeah, that is not industry standard. Yeah, but this is my rebuttal. Okay Which which also just happened when I did trust last year When I did press for the movie Everything went viral. I was on the cover of variety deadline Getting picked up Articles about talking about Octavio when I'm going on podcasts with so feature all this up Everything was going viral because the stuff that I was promoting complex was picking up shater room was picking up And then they were seeing all the traction it was getting so all the other things were following so when we do press for something That's not power. It's going crazy viral because of the culture motion that we have already so that's I think that's my rebuttal of like Yes, maybe like okay, we're not at at the US open Mike was just there going like this you know what I mean? But like I would say the type of motion that we have like helps the project more than then I don't want to put down any actor, but like you could bleep bleep when I'm talking about like You know what I mean if Put it a podcast tomorrow, and he's one of the greatest actors. I think he's amazing He was a movie star and he is a movie star so at this point if he started a podcast tomorrow It wouldn't even get point 10% of the views that that so isn't that weird though. I really do not a thing is like going I think another part of like everything else is just like Our supporters that come from the you know from power, you know the power universe like they're so eager to see us outside of it You know obviously they they love us because of you know because of power But they're so interested in what what we do outside of it whether it's you know whether it's the podcast Whether it's another movie another TV show or even just like even like me doing like some like fashion shit like you know doing Like a brand deal with like Tommy Hilfiger like they just they're just mad. They just into it like they're into whatever we're doing outside of the Universe because they've seen us you know basically grow in the universe. So And this is what I'll say about this Mike is like again You'll see you'll see ten slides of of a Tommy Hilfiger fashion show or ten slides of Michael and Turks and Kiko's and I Try to every time I comment. I don't like this But you'll see him get this and maybe some people at Tommy like some of maybe the wider executives don't understand that like that Photos probably getting 150,000 likes because of Madeline Klein and Michael not the eight actors in between before you get to the slide of Michael towards the end quite Literally, bro. Do you know what I mean quite literally like it's actually insane to Know and just not that I have y'all both in the same room Why y'all think I never had a power audition? What role I don't think there's I think I could have played baby ghost Okay, but he booked it when he was 11 with that. That's my point. I Didn't even mention that I You don't think I could have been baby ghost. Okay, I think I Maybe maybe you could have but I think that that you're there's there was no role There's no comedic roles and I don't need to be most of the projects. I've ever done have been dramas Ironically as a stand-up comic. I don't do a lot of comedy roles. They're all dramatic roles That is interesting. So theater school trained all that calm. Did you do comedy before looking for Alaska? I did stand up Yeah, but even look for Alaska was kind of a dramedy like you had funny moments, but you know It's kind of a dark show. Yeah, yeah, I don't I didn't watch it. Well, that's hurtful I feel like there's you don't think there's a world for me and power like there's no role for me I think there is They're doing two new shows. So you know what I mean. I feel like I should have been You know did you did you died in mayor of Kingsown already? Yeah Honestly, I've died in a lot of things. I've been I think I do you think I have like a victim face do I look like a victim? No, but I just think if you're not if you're not honest if you're not a serious regular You're and you're on a show like that. You're dying. Why do you think that? No, not you personally But like if you're a recur on a show where a lot of death happens you're dying okay because you're so do I look like a victim a little bit Nah, honestly you you you look like you could kill them all fuck it. Oh, all right. That's Mike. That's relax here Now give me a give me a scene real quick. My give us a scene and we run it. Let me show you. All right. Um Just Rob Gianni, but honestly just rob them. 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Yes Well, your character you y'all have done some like this pickable shit But y'all are both just genuinely nice guys But do you feel like you were like this before you did this show or you got a little more street Brother, I'll tell you this um, I it's weird because Braden is very similar to me now I didn't grow up with the bread that that character had but like there's a picture of me at 10 years old in the G unit in a G unit With the silky on bro. I was I was selling Jordans in high school like I would dress What were you really selling in high school? Right you see now that's that I saw weed middle school. I did but I got Yeah, I got caught in sixth grade. I got caught You were selling yeah, this kid chase and then his mom called my parents because they found out that we were doing it And my older brother pretended to be my dad Oh wow and I got a real one first of all and I got a little hood white like for real Yeah, I mean I want to say I'm like hood, but like I just like I only listen to hip-hop like I put on M&M show when I was like five years old when I put it in my thing and I'm like This this is like Honestly when we toured in your hometown That's when I was I understood you so much because it really is like white trash It is like But people think from Rhode Island they're like, oh you're just like a blue blood new poor kid. I'm like Now granted like like my we I grew up I think I grew up perfectly because my dad had money at a time at a time and then we were destitute out of time You need that 100% but this is this is a perfect example of the area you grew up in I did a show In your hometown with your brother was also on and that's a whole story. Well, he bombed that we'll get to his story Through this story it was terrible. It was terrible. It was terrible. You know you bomb. Why do you ain't looking at what you like you did? Imagine this motherfucker had the whole town show up. Yeah, he was in the newspaper. I think people out of news paper article They're like hometown kids Doing the big theater in town had the whole city come out, bro So he gone stage and this is when I knew he was finna bomb like he goes on stage and the mic is not on he come out He only dad standing right next to me with his arms because he's like, oh fuck So he couldn't turn the mic on he trying to hit the mic nothing is happening, right? So he turned and he looking at us on the side of the stage like And we like turn the mic on clicked up a turn of my go so the first like 30 seconds of his set was no sound Just straight bomb it and here's a thing if you're if you this is his first year in comedy, right? If you're a last if you're If you're a veteran comic like like you have to deal with that shit before to be able to okay That's like two minutes of like digging yourself out of a hole with the thing And if you're a veteran like yourself you go fuck all right. Let's let's dig myself out of this Let's get into the crowd and it's already terrifying as it happens So you do have to make a bit out of it like make a joke out of it or dress it he didn't do any of that He just started to do his set as normal repeated the same city already said yeah, what's up everybody tonight at this point They like oh and here's the thing it was Chris the Leah right his fans and they're not forgiving. Oh, no When I worked on Theo's podcast dude, I would do like the unboxing stuff with them those people They're like who the fuck is this like they're so protected over there have you dealt with that on the road with Theo and Chris and yeah You have to kill yeah, I would say that they're audiences you actually have to kill That's why I was surprised when I walked into the green room, and I seen your brother in my green room Like yeah, you know they got my name on the door. Yeah, I'm about to kill it tonight. I'm like you better Yeah, yeah, you better kill it. It's your home town He had about eight of his friends in the green room. I'm like he fell in this self. I want to see how you do tonight So when the mic cut off I was like yes He's doing a set and you could tell the confidence was low. Yeah, but he just really trying to run through his set And I'm watching your dad's face the whole day because your dad is the realest white man I've ever met like he is so real got kind of like that a towel. Yeah, he's sitting there. Why don't he's not smiling at all He's sitting there looking at him He's like I told him not to do this fucking joke Told the kid it wouldn't work he keeps going and your dad is just the whole time like look at him He's fucking bombing. He's fucking I'm crying Laughing you face time halfway to the set. It's gone bad. It was quiet, bro So your brother leaves the stage and as he walks off like to get to the green room There's like a little dip under the door. He tries to dip under the door hits his head on top of the door Blood just leaking blood out of his head He bombed the set and damn they're died Yeah, bro, and then Chris set me a voice message of you two and it was it was 13 seconds of laughter Bro, there was no context just then dying laughing, but I knew because I was texting Mind you you got all your your hometown friends. Little girl. She was probably interested in you're in the newspaper And that was what happened bro. It was just chef's kids But one of my favorite moments was after the show. This is when I knew your hometown was just insane So I have a joke where I'm talking about like like Trump and someone I say like Trump is like, you know He act like a nigga basically, right and some white woman comes up to me after the show She's like she probably 75 old-ass white lady She's like I really love your material. I loved your joke about Trump It was just so funny when you said he kind of acts like a necker. I said that. It's just so funny for me I said lady, do you know then you ain't have to repeat it for a better She's like you just tickled being tickled be so much, and I really in that moment. I was like I really feel like she There was literally no malice in how she felt She was literally trying to relate to me She actually just liked my material Yeah, and I've had to learn on the road like opening for a white person like how to navigate being funny to black people white people A lot of white comics never have to do that. They don't ever have to walk in the room where they're not the minority Yeah, that's why a lot of white comics. I'd be like y'all kill them, but y'all couldn't do this in a black room Oh dude, you can do this in a black room is the hardest room. Not sure you've seen it, dude. They avoid them, dude People avoid performing in black rooms because they know that shit ain't on slide That's why I rock with people like Chris or Theo because I feel like they could steal Feel murder and a black woman because Theo kind of has like that that southern like Entry white yeah white, bro. It's like ghetto white people. We actually have a lot more in common than the powers at B Yeah, would make us think we do. Yeah, it's like if you grew up in a certain kind of environment We all have an understanding of what that was like, but white rooms. It's like a lot of people I've had to learn being from Wisconsin like if you really want to make it in this industry sadly You do have to like know how to work the white spaces 100% and that's kind of like the the I've had these conversations with 50 I've talked about bottle on TMZ like TMZ has stopped me before and been like This was like when season four was the finale was happening bro. Our viewership was like crushing Every show by double by double by double and I was just like Why are we invited to the Emmy saying I don't need to be nominated I look I'm not saying that ghost was like an Emmy written show. Yeah, it's it's like it's it's it's it's murder and go and it's fun But it's like the amount of it cultural impact that Michael and I have and and what 50 does it's like if we post Anything about the show it's getting millions and millions of you But I feel like they treat white crime shows and black crime shows differently 100% like if it's a white crime show Yeah, you would be up for him. He's maybe like this is unbelievable. Right look at the way people heal like the sopranos and different shows But black shows that are about they just kind of scoff at it like oh, that's just typical of them Yeah, you know what I mean? I would always say this I and you could correct me if I'm wrong Um, I think that white people have a problem Nominating or or saying a show is great if it's not about black struggle. Does that make sense a little no You just went crazy. Does that is so real because like power. That is so real struggle in it We're in a mirror and fucking my player and we're murdering people and we got little dirt in this bitch and we're and and and we're you Know what I mean? Like it's fun. It's bitch if it's not about slavery or it's not about stuff that like struggle of like That they they don't fuck with it. I don't know what it is. Look at that. That is really real, bro Wow, you kind of what it's nigga if he invited to the bar No, he kind of woke. You just with crazy I'm not trying to be woke And I hate the the word of woke because like a lot of times and which I don't fuck with actors what they do is like There's another actor I saw and he went on a podcast and he's like if any black person wants to take a role for me Then they deserve that you don't believe that Like you're not going to give up your role right? So I hate I hate like the woke to like a piece people I'm not trying to appease nobody and if you've been a rocker with the podcast for for a hundred episodes now Me and Mike aren't trying to appease anybody Congratulations. Thank you that by the way, dude. You're in the hundreds of this is insane. Yeah I got a question for you Mike like as you've been ascending you've been in the industry for a long time like taking all my roles and stuff And I'm really happy for what you've been able to do But do you feel like your has your team ever told you like to stray away from doing like too much black shit? To get a little more mainstream They they've asked me if that's what I want to do when I'd be like to be honest with you like I don't give a fuck if it's black or white like if the if the role looks good to me Like if it kind of connects with me and like you know if I feel like I would have fun doing the role than I'm doing I don't care whether it's black or white, but um, I definitely I definitely have you know, especially I'm like Maybe you want to shy away from killing people for a little bit Guys you got a few bodies of your belt. Yeah, you know, but for the most part, bro. I like I don't Like obviously you got to be like very selective, you know, in this business You know as far as like just keep it your longevity, but I don't know. I already want to be To select to when you say words like selected. I don't know how I don't get to be selective I get the roles. I'm selected for you. Okay, first of your downplaying. No, like this show should be called the crew booked it If any time I'm for all one of y'all niggas got him Y'all you understand how difficult it is to be an employee consistently in this town. Oh done Okay, comedy saved my life, bro. Yeah, if I I really bro Anybody that's a just actor that's all you do is act, but I'm like how you're but you're done at now at this point 2026 if you're just an actor and you're not Shalamey or Michael B. Jordan It's it's it's a rat for you. Yeah 100% you have to be creating right on shit I think sometimes I'm like should I do stand-up comedy and make some money on the road, but it's like no because you could though But I know but I don't love it. Yeah, that's my problem is like I don't want to do do anything that I don't love, like I just don't love going up on stage and even when I was working on that set for my birthday, I went to the upstairs a couple of times to work in it. Yeah. Shout out upstairs. Shout out upstairs. They're great. I done it twice and I was like, I'm good with this. Yeah. And by the time I done it on the show, I was over it. I was like, I didn't even love it anymore and I'm like, I'm not going to do something just for the money or just for like, oh, this might be good for my career or whatever. I truly love being an actor and I truly love doing this podcast. Yeah. These are just two things that I love and you have to like, you just have to be a multi-hyphen it now. You can't just, you can't just be an actor because to be honest, which are like, after looking for Alaska, I thought the same way as you, I'm like, yeah, it's a YA show and we're going to keep this. It's a YA show. It's John Green. This is going to take off because I've seen like the way like 13 reasons why and different YA shows took off. I'm like, this is my thing, like, this is my break, right, right after that show took off. And it was widely received in such a pot, like, writing tomato, everybody that read the book, love the show. And then there was nothing. Yeah. It's easy. It's not for me. It's easy. You know, like the, like Christine who played Alaska, Charlie, you know, sadly like the white actors on the show, they was working, right. But it did not happen like that for me and I'm like, bro, what the fuck? Like I just booked this thing that's supposed to like skyrocket me, but it just didn't feel like that. I'm auditioning again, like nobody even knew I even was a series regular. I, I think it's the, it's the internet. It's the internet picks and chooses on like heated rivalry, for example. Right. Just out of nowhere. That was a crave Canada show that HBO Max was like, fuck, I guess we'll just put it on the ad. Wow. And, and three weeks later, that kid was holding the torch at the Olympics. Wow, bro, because it's the internet selects on what they want to be the thing or what to go viral. 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And I'm like, I don't know because if you ask someone like me, that question is like kind of crazy because I don't even like the way this should happen for me was like super random bro. Like a lot of people know my story, bro, I literally literally came up to me in the city where I'm in the middle of the lunch with my mom and, you know, they had conversations and it just happened from there. But like, so you have like a dream Hollywood story like you suddenly just got picked up off the street like you want to be an actor kid. Yeah, it's like, you can't like, I don't know like you do this, then you do this like it's really, it don't really go like that, especially not now like, hey, no, I ain't nobody. Just picked up off the no, bro. So actors, remember when we was coming up as actors, you would never, ever see like a big name actor in like a commercial. Yeah. You wouldn't see it. Now you see Samuel Jackson in a capital one commercial dude, I used to be for like the little actors. That was like a life changing gig and just up and coming actors. Now the big actors is like this trickle down effect where they're just taking anything. People are like, fuck you. You wouldn't even see movie actors doing TV shows. Now Matthew McConaughey is doing a TV show now. It's like, what are the smaller actors supposed to be doing? Well, that's what kind of sucks is because like, yeah, you see like Jill and Hall and all these people doing like a limited series, you're like, the roles that like me and Mike would get after being on a hit TV show, we'd be like, okay, let's go pop over and do this shit. But now you got like a list actors who are like been in iconic movies, you're like, yeah, I'll do this work here on this show, you're like, it's but but I think for you and for me and for Mike, because we're versatile and because we have such a big following that it's, it actually is working in our favor as opposed to someone who's like a character actor and is like, doesn't have an Instagram or like, or there are some people that I know that have been in every movie ever and you look at their Instagram is like 15,000 followers. Nobody knows them. But the industry like they picked their little diaper Dan, right? There's people that the industry is just like, we love them, right? But the world is like, we don't know them. Right. It's going to catch up and and for us three, it's it's going to be a wildfire in a couple of years because everything is being so blurred that like it will be a lot, especially for what you've done on on YouTube alone with the Kevin Lang show with, with your, your standup, your dude, your standup clips are getting 30 million views. We're going crazy. Like, like, so, so, and also what I, uh, maybe I come to a show too when I'm in New York, do pull up. When I'm in New York, I think in January, we're doing New York. If you're okay. Yeah. But I even talk about like, because I was at Matt Rifes house like a month ago in Rhode Island crazy move to move to Rhode Island, but he probably got so much land, some crazy, it's unbelievable. But I look at some of the people and I'm like, we were talking about acting and he's like, yeah, like, you know, I wish I was in a little bit more shit and he's working like crazy. But I'm like, if you put Matt Rifes in a movie, there's going to be 10 million girls that show up and watch us because of that. 100%. But how they would, it doesn't, they, I just think there's two old of people right now. It's backwards. Yeah. They don't actually know what's new. They don't know who really is hot, right? They just get told like this person is the person right there like, okay, you want to know what the only reason why I knew by any means that, that new Mark Wahlberg and, and I'm pretty tapped in with like movies and I, I love like films and I'll go see small indie movies. But like Neon was streaming with Mark Wahlberg on the carpet. Wow. And it's like whoever set that up, they know now you got to tap in with the internet. Right. And I, when we was coming up, it used to be, you used to be a cool actor to be like, I don't do social media. Right. And now you literally have to be on social media. But at the same time, they'll be like casting directors are casting people just off their followers. Then why aren't we in everything? Because yeah, I guess there's a difference between followers and, and, um, actual influence. Does that make sense? There's some people that you see five, six, seven million followers that, um, nobody cares about. They have, they have the movement. But like, if they went on a podcast, no one wants to listen to them. They're like, just make that little skit that you make. That's what I mean. Y'all have both. I would say I'm getting close to having that too, where it's like, you just hit a million followers. You were at nine, seven, six, two days ago, all of a sudden, you hit a mill. What do you think that was from? Is there something going on right now that I mean, you know, I don't mean life is, life be life. We take the good with the bad. That's what it is. Right. Okay. Because I saw a statement, but I didn't know what it was really about. I didn't really look much into it. Yeah, you should read it. You should read it. It was about a show you were on the show, actually. Oh, I did do that. You actually was on the show. I will say it was it was one of the most fun days I ever had. But the only reason I did that show was because you asked me to do it, not for anyone else. But then I got real tight with with Aaron and Aaron, and it's called the guessing game show or what's it? What's the guy's name? His name is Kevin. Okay. Yeah, Kevin. Yeah. Yeah, Kevin. And you could actually now, I guess, check it out in Netflix, which my episodes are now on Netflix. But I never got compensated for that. And I feel like you did it. No, I never got compensated. And I feel like there are other people that also didn't get compensated for some Netflix stuff. But I guess that's just how the business is sometimes. But yeah, that's when we kind of first really, you tap it in. This is making sure people, I don't know if people heard you make sure the mics will work. Yeah. And I think that people should be compensated for things that they helped blow up. You would think that. Yeah. You would think. But everybody don't have, like y'all have a brotherhood, man, where y'all, yeah, everybody looks out for each other. That's how it should be. But we live in Hollywood. Right. Insta in the heart. Hollywood don't make sense a lot of times. - But my thing with this and we don't need to get crazy into it is like, okay, say for example, someone got like five, 10, whatever million dollars from a network to do a show. It's like, wouldn't you want the show to be even better? 'Cause then you can renegotiate and get even more. And then you could pay everybody on your team. And then they're more apt to do great and all that stuff. And then you just grow together. - That makes a lot of sense. - Yeah, but that's the thing, bro. It's like, it also, these types of situations just help you realize, you really gotta be on your business. - Right. - Or you really have to be able to have your own things, not let your career lie on any one thing. That's why when I was just, like that's why actors you book again and you get real comfortable. Like I'm not gonna lie, that series regular money does make you kind of be like, I'm chilling, like I love this. I don't really have the desire to do anything else. But you see them off seasons where you really sit on your ass, you like, bro, I gotta start a pot or let me get back on stage. Let me get, 'cause acting shit is too comfortable, bro. It makes you slow down. - Yeah, Mike, Mike, do you feel like that? Mike, you've been on a fucking show since you're 11 years old making a lot of money. Do you feel like, like, how do you get motivated to be honest? - That's a really good question. - Then he's right. Sometimes you gotta get motivated by your peers, bro. Like in what sense? - Help. - Like, you just see like certain shit. Like, see there's something I audition for. And at the time I'm like, I audition for it, but like I'm not really like too like, you know, I'm not too keen on it. Like that's whatever, like if I can get it out, get it. And then you see it and the project comes out and it's like one of the coolest shit, you know, coolest things we've ever seen. And you're like, damn, now I gotta lock in, 'cause I can't let another one of these happen. - Is there a role like that for you? Are you like, damn, I'm low-key, I wish I would've gotten that one. F1, yeah. - F1. - Yeah, the movie is amazing. But I mean, there's no way Dampson read for that. That's a straight offer. - You think so? - Yeah, that's a straight offer. - I think he did a good fucking, I think he did to be honest with you. - That he read for it? - I think he was on the short list. Like they wanted him, they probably saw him read. - I believe so. - I believe so. - But they probably like already kinda wanted him. - Yeah. - Type shit, like y'all audition and they were like, how do you feel about, dude, because sometimes it gets me so angry where in Mike, I want your answer on this. And I want your answer on this. - Like the way I'm about to do something with him. - Oh yeah, yeah, you have a movie coming out. You're about to go film it. - They haven't announced it yet, so I don't know if I, yeah, we don't have to talk too much about it. But you are about to do something, you send it to me. - Yeah. - Try not to answer them. That's the only reason. - We gotta get him on the pod. - Yeah, y'all. - He's actually the funniest dude ever, bro. - Is he? - He be outside. - I've only met him once for a few seconds. He was at the improv with a girl that I knew and came up to me and like, bro, he's funniest for it. - Uh-huh. - He dipped out. - But he probably ain't gonna remember that. You know, he'd be outside, y'all, I would definitely get of, we had birds in LA, and I'm just topping it. Yeah, we just topping it up, like me and him just topping it up. - Wait, sorry Mike, one second. Have you been at Bird Street? - Yeah, I love Bird Street, that's where we all be at. - You been there? - Yeah, you know, like young Hollywood, all of us being at that spot. You saw my offer. Sunset. - Sunset. - Yeah. - Sunset, yeah. - Some people, you know what's funny about it? And some people think it's all Bird Street. - Yeah. - It's called Bird Street. It's on Sunset. - Yeah. - All right, we're going to everybody know that. Everybody know that. - That's cool. - It's a private club. - It's all good. - Yeah. - A lot of private parties. - Well, we have Bird Street at this party. Me and him just topping it up and like three, like three, four girls won't pass. And then he's like, so you're just gonna walk past me and my brother and I say it was sometimes. - Wow, I remember that night. I was at the next table. I remember seeing that and I said, they tripped it. But why do we meet that night, bro? - Because I ain't one of, you know I have you walk past my table too and I was like, you know, I ain't one of you know what I'm saying? I love Bird Street. We should go again. - We should go. - I'm actually curious, like when did you start wanting the actor, wanting to stand up and then move to LA? 'Cause I actually don't, we've never talked about this. - Yeah, no, I guess you don't know my story. I get, you know, I grew up in Madison, Wisconsin, super small town, nobody in my family acts or is in entertainment at all. But bro, I just grew up like fantasizing about, really being a stand up, like watching comic view, Dev Jam, I used to be like, bro, it just like felt like this, they spoke my language. And then like in theater school, I mean, I was low key in high school, I was just bad as fuck and I took a theater class 'cause they was like, that's an easy A. Like you take theater, you'll get an A. And I'm like, cool, took theater class and this cool last Arabic woman was like, you got something, like you should audition for a play. And I'm like, hey, nobody I knew was acting. I'm like, they weird, it's fun, like no. And she just kept bugging me. The next year, I think it was my junior year, she was like, you really should audition for a play. And then my life kinda low key became like high school musical, like I was hooping and I was on Farah's city and I was like, and you were, were you taller than her? Well, I was like, I was, I was, I could have been in the league at five, six. Well, the children was like, but you're getting out of the point of that I'm making hours hooper. I was a hooper, right? So that's what I thought my calling was. And then she just was on my ass all audition for the play. And honestly, bro, it sound corny, but I will never forget this feeling. I stepped on stage and I literally felt like a light, like a warmth inside of myself. Almost a voice being like, this is where you need to be. After that, I start missing practice to go to rehearsals, start missing rehearsals to go to practice and they just was like, you gotta choose. Yeah, so this is the plot of, of quite literally, let's give musical 100, 'cause we had a game that day. I got pulled in the office with my coach, the athletic director and the principal. And they were like, you cannot do both of these things. They happen at the same time, which is weird. High school, like certain things happen at the same time. They're like, what are you gonna do? I've been playing this for my entire life. My dad, my brother, my older brother, that's like the love language we knew was hooper. And then I have this new thing that I know nothing about. And I have to decide between these two and bro. I remember, like I cried. Making that decision, because I had to go tell my team, like I'm quitting the team. I go on the bus, we had a game that day. I'm thinking, they can be like, bro, you tweaked, what the fuck, what are you talking about? Everybody was like, bro, Loki, I could see you doing that. Like I could see you doing an acting comedy thing. That makes sense. Even my pops was like, son, that's what you wanna do. I believe in you could do it. And after that, bro grind it. Ended up getting in one of the top theater schools in the country. - Where was it? - DePaul University. - Oh, hell yeah, yeah. - They only accepted like 40, 42 students at the time. - And you were the only black guy for sure. - Oh, it was three of us. - Nice. - It was three of us. Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Change my life, bro. - And that's Chicago is really like my stand up comedy ground. Like that's what raised me in stand up with Chicago. - What up, y'all, we're gonna take a break from the episode and we're gonna talk to you about our friends at Square. - The perfect business platform to help your business become your neighbor's favorite. - From payments to online orders, staff, inventory, all of it, Square keeps it in one place. - Now whether you're getting up for a busy season or just trying to keep up with every day's demand, Square helps it keep it simple and easy for your business. Square helps you focus on your customers, not your to-do list. 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But did you move from Chicago to LA or you went for a trip and was causing to Chicago? - Chicago, LA. - I'm okay with that. - Because Chicago as much as it's such a dope community, there's an easy ceiling to hit. Like you got like five shows. At the time it was like Empire, Chicago PD, Fire, like all the dick works. And after you've done one of 'em, you can't do another one for, I think it was like two or three years. - Did you do one of 'em? - I did Chicago PD, it was my first row I ever booked. And after that I'm like, I did Empire a recurrent row. And after that I'm like, what's that called? Empire? Do you know that show, Mike? - Y'all beefin' with Empire? - I heard of it. - Y'all got beef with Empire? - No, no, no, it's just funny because like, this is also the genius of 50 cent. Where like Empire was on TV and then power came out and he was like, we about to smoke you. And he just created this, he just created this beef with Empire. It's like a friendly, funny beef. That dude is the smartest, he's also a person that you would think that the industry would be afraid of. But when they all brought him in and was like, let's work, you see what he created. - They don't like a confident black man. - I'm standing on business like this. - Yes, yes. - They want you to slyly, again, the British thing. Coily. - I appreciate the viewership. - Yeah. - Thank you, I appreciate it. - But they like that kind of thing. - I would think of being like, hell, yeah. - The fuck did you talk about? - Yeah. - They don't like that. - But I will say again, after the bad three years the industry had, where nothing was being made, people were worried about their jobs, all this stuff. A lot of people lost their jobs. I think the industry, yeah, right up to the strike, there was like two years. I think now the industry is in a place where a lot of people like, we just want to make shit. So now I think this is where 50 is going to shine, 'cause they're like, 50 brings in the viewership, no matter what he says on Instagram, no matter what it is. - No matter what. - He brings in the viewership more than anybody. - And he's making stars. - Yeah. A lot of these networks, you could be on a Hulu show and nobody knows who you are. A Netflix show even, and nobody knows who you are unless you're in there, top 10 of what's to watch this week. - But even then, you could be, you could be, have a number one show on Netflix for weeks and months and this and that, and then all of a sudden, like you're, you're disappear. Also, the boys are going to be on Netflix. Power is going to be on Netflix in, in November. So we're basically, we're basically, I'll get another cut, check it. - Oh, I probably not. That they're streaming my face. - Probably nothing, but here's the thing. Now we're, - With the platform. - Now power is going to be on a platform that is 30 or 50 X than what stars was on and we was already getting 13 to 15 million viewers in episode, so. - So they put all the power universe shows on there? - Yeah. - Whoa. - Yeah, and there was another show that they're putting on Netflix that they just got put on Netflix that you were, what was it called again? I forgot. - I forgot the name of it. - It was the Kevin Lane show. Oh, yeah, oh, sorry. The price fixing came off. - Shout out price fixed. But, yeah, the Kevin Lane show. - That's interesting. - Will you be in any of the upcoming ones or, I mean, the way it, I'm just fucking with Danny. I'm just fucking with Danny. He's not allowed to say anything, but I'm on Danny's side. I'll take a, I'll take a side. Is on there. If you see me, in my eye, you, hey, hey, hey. But you know, the weirdest thing about this is I've never been in no like industry shit. Like beef, like a beef or like a moment. This is the first time there's been a moment where I'm like, oh, maybe we are experiencing a degree of like notoriety or fame, if you will, because I never did, like I've just been under the radar doing my, bro, since that drama kicked off, we all game like the people that everybody is siding with, gained, I gained over 100,000 followers in like a few days. - Yeah. - I've known, like this is actually insane. Like Saturday, today is Thursday. On Saturday, I was at like 900K. - That's good. - Nah, I'm at a million. - That's good. - And it makes me realize, like people really do like drama, like people are doing. - Yeah. - But again, that's, it's the 50 cent model. - Mm. - Like, me and Mike, me and Mike, I, we've been in a lot of drama since being on power. Some, some fabricated, but like most real. - And you think that is heightened, the show? - 1,000%. The 50 cent model. I've had beef, I've had real beef with real people in the power universe. Mike has had, I don't thought that was a bit you was playing. - Nah, that's not a bit. - None of it was a bit. People think it was fake to whatever. That, that, I saw that sit spark of like in 4K, like in person, like in like real, it was the, it was the 1% on my fault. - He even called me a part, yeah. - 0% on my fault. - I literally thought that was like a bit to make people, you know, telling me to the show. - It's because 50 does tell your brother, I don't like him in my view when I'm doing the podcast. It's really distracting. - But yet, 50 does fabricate some stuff, but like there was a little bit of stuff with like Mike and Lil Meach, but like that was also the genius of 50 cent being like, let, now he has so many shows, he's like, I'm gonna pit both my shows against each other. So now the beef is like, what's better, power of BMF? And we were doing that to like hype the show with 50, we had a conversation with them, but then some guys can't handle it, and they, and they get in their feelings. - Well, where do y'all rank your show within the power universe? - Viewership? - No, just in quality, like how people feel about it. I would, I would definitely say OG number one. - Yeah, absolutely. - The OG number one show is unbelievable. - Yeah, it's kind of, that's the go. That's kind of, that's the given, that's the given. So OG number one, I was second, I would say I wasn't the biggest fan of the last two seasons, or maybe the last season I think it was, honestly. But yeah, I was definitely second. This was tough for me, but. - Be real. - I ain't got a lot of reason, Canaan became, became third for me. At first it was for now. But the way, but the reason, Canaan like, developed and now to how it ended, I got to go reason, Canaan third. I got reason, Canaan third. - And you agree with that? - Okay, I'll put it as in terms of this, power. And me and one of our producing directors, Brennan always like, had this bit. Okay, power technically, book two ghosts was our show. It was technically season 11. And it's not a procedural. So like, like, ended at 11 seasons, right? It's not a, right, but it's not a procedural. A procedural, there's a case, or there's a, someone has an ailment. What's the disease of the week that, someone came in with that we need to fix? Grace and Anime, you could do that for 30 seasons. With power, it's like, okay, it's a story that you have to tell for 11 seasons, our long episodes. - You gotta be going somewhere. - And you can't go back. So like, one episode, like, you're gunning down 30 people with the machine gun and season five of power. Season six, it can't just be like a stab death. You have to keep raising mistakes, which is kind of like fast and furious. Like, at first it was about the cars. They were flying cars to the moon. - It starts to get ridiculous after a while. - Right, so that's no fault to the writing. Now, granted, like, there could have been stuff that was better, but it's hard to, like, keep raising the stakes. I think we did a great job of it. But like, as opposed to raising cane, and they, like, Sasha Penn, like, that guy's like a brilliant writer, like, so he could develop a character from scratch and it was a slow burn, but it was beautifully done. Now, now, force, like, obviously, like, that season was that first season was all over the place. They wound up firing the showrunner. So you're starting off on rocky terms anyways. But the OG power, like, the way Courtney wrote that show. - The last few seasons of force was crazy though. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - The last few of force were insane, like. - Yeah. - But I would say viewership, our show broke all the records. So book two ghosts was number one viewership on the record. I don't even think raising cane and broke half of what our viewership was, but that show is so beautifully done. But again, it goes to show, like, the people wanted the madness and the fun. - So really, that also was crazy. - I mean, raising cane, it has to be there, 'cause I love, like, period pieces. I love shit, that is, like, that portrays how everything was, like, in the back, you know, back in the day and shit. Like, the outfits, the way it's shot, the lighting, all that out, like, I love the old school, like, look so. - Yeah. - Y'all boys was definitely blessed to had entered into that world, because as far as the quality of shows that one might consider black or urban shows, that is the cream on a crop. - For sure. - Everybody's trying to get in that universe. So y'all make that call for me. - We got you. - Y'all tell 'em. - So if you could perfectly pick out your next two years of your life, what would it look like for Jenny Love? - Ooh, honestly, bro, I want to be doing exactly what I'm doing right now. I'm leaving tour to go shoot a movie. Right after the movie, right back on tour, when I have some off time, go to another country, my wife and chill, rinse and repeat, bro. And keep growing with my friends, like, pulling up on people like y'all, creating with my brothers, like, I cannot lie. I right now, I have the perfect system. It just got to keep getting bigger. That's it. - How have the show's been, they're packed, right? - Bro, it's shocking. Because I'm like, as people around the world that I've never met that are actually paying money to see me talk, bro. It's like that is, to me, my wildest dream. When I think about the kids sitting there watching comic, you know what I'm like? I'm actually doing, I'm living the dream. Like I'm actually making it. - It's happening. - What's up? - I did the traditional shit. I was an opener, now I'm headlining. And I'm doing it and I'm so grateful to Chris and Theo and everybody that let me get on the road. 'Cause I learned so much. And I actually did it like, pretty much a traditional way from acting. I went to theater school, did the whole thing. Comedy did the whole thing. So now it's like, I'm actually seeing the fruits of my labor now. - What type of acting do you want to do? Do you want to do a comedic shit or you just love? You like the drama because Mary King's down there was zero comedy. Yeah. It was a complete drama. Honestly, I kind of like the fact that the comedy world sees me as a standup. Yeah. The acting world sees me as a dramatic actor. I think I get the best. That's a blessing. That's a blessing because sometimes when they see you as a certain, I think you were probably about to say that. Yeah. Literally, I was going to say like, is they see you as a comic and they, you know, it's probably hard, you know, not for you. Obviously, but for a lot of people, they see if they see them as a comic, it's hard to see them in a serious, you know, dramatic, you know, space. So like they're a casting people that don't know that I do comedy. They just see me as a dramatic actor. And then the comedy world, they'll see me in like a mayor of Kingston and be like, what? He doing. Yeah. What is he doing in there? Yeah. And it's just not no jokes being played at all. So I think it's perfect. But I think what I need right now is like exactly what y'all have is I need one of them shows or movies at pop, you know what I mean? Because I feel like people know, you know, I'm kind of in a, if you know, you know, kind of space. Right. Right. Right. I just want people to know. Yeah. I mean, yeah, it is, it's a weird thing, man. And I, I'm looking for the next thing because I mean, again, that's why I'm like, I'm picky because I know you can get on a TV show and make great money for five years or six years and, and be on one of those shows. But it doesn't pop in no one cares. And you almost disappear. Yeah. Like it's so interesting now that the industry has broadened and there's so many different avenues to work. Like people, people don't like when you say this. People got mad at Timothy Xiaomei for saying this on stage. I think it was no, no, no, of the Golden Globes. Um, I, I want to be the greatest. I want to be a movie star. And I tell my team all the time, I moved to LA and I wanted to be an actor to do the best shit. I don't want to be a working actor. Wow. And a lot of people don't like that. People are just like, oh, but you just want to work. And I tell my team all the time, I don't want to be a working actor. I came out here to be a movie star and came out here to be the guy. I love that, bro. When I go like do little, sometimes I'll do little talks with like I'll go back to my old high school and talk to the kids. And I ask that exact question. Like who wants to be an actor? And you see a bunch of hands go up. Yeah. All right. Like who wants to be a star? And you see a lot of hands go down. A lot of like people afraid to really stand. And I'll be like, if that's what you want, you got to stand on that. Yeah. Because it's hard enough in this industry. When you believe in yourself, you really have to have a clear vision of how you see yourself. Yeah. Because that's one of the things I've always respected about you. You walk as if you know who you are. Yeah. You walk as if you're already that person. Right. A lot of people wait until they get there to be like, oh, I did it. Yeah. You have to already know you're that person right now as you sit in your skin. Yeah. Like I'm a star. It's just the world is trying to catch up. Right. I've always respected that about you. I appreciate because I feel like that about myself. I really feel like I have the skill set to be one of the best in this industry. I think we're this generation's Jamie Foxx. This generation's Mark Wahlberg. This generation's Michael B. George, you know, he's already, but you know what I mean? Like we're going to be that we're the next wave of young talent coming up that people will go, oh, they were they they are them and sometimes Mike, I also want to know how you feel about that and where where you want to go. But like I don't want to lose this point. Sometimes I meet an actor because I go to a lot of shit. You know, I'm in the mix because I like being in the mix. It's fun for me. Yeah. I meet a lot of actors and I'm talking to them and I'm like, you get paid to be an entertainer like you and I and we're so versatile tile in different rooms. That's why I'm friends with all my favorite rappers and they're calling me and being like like because I love having fun and being funny and being like like that's what I love organically. Right. You really like that. And a lot of these people are like are not they're just they're just maybe booked a big role when they were 16 17 that popped and then all of a sudden they're just getting offers for a lot of shit and I'm like, you don't got the sauce though. No, like you got the sauce, bro. You could go into any room and do this and do that. Mike, dude, when Michael walks in or he's so charismatic, like everyone just like loves Mike. Like that's just like how it goes. And I feel like that's what's missing of like all the people who are booking the big movies right now or like I'm not going to name names, but like I think Shalam is got the sauce, but like he does. There's other there's other people that I'm like, like how were you a movie star? You if they sat down in this podcast. It'd be the worst episode ever. Right. It's like, it's like, yeah, I go, you mean, but Mike, how do you feel about that? Like like where do you see yourself? Where do you want to be? Do you want to just like work and make money and and do stuff with your cars? Like I'm actually curious because I don't know if we've had this conversation. You say cars? Yeah, he loves cars. It's like he's he loves cars. He's got like with a S. Brother, you see this kids garage? No, Porsche 911 Audi R8 BMW. This kids got everything dog. And then it's like that Christmas movie. Yeah, it was because yeah, it was the second chance Christmas. It's really got him paid. Now, um, to answer that. Oh, I don't know. Like he said, like we, you know, we're the, you know, this generation's next, you know, set a talent. Um, pardon me once to, you know, just, you know, work and make that bread. And then pardon me also just like sees myself and a way bigger, you know, at a way bigger point. But um, I don't know, bro, I feel like I'm just like he's a paper in the wind, bro. I'm just going with the fog. You know what I'm saying? Like, what's for me will be for me? But I've got to put your got to put yourself in that position to make the cool shit for you, you know, the big shit for you. Because what I will say about, um, I even, I'm very strongly about this on, on hip and artist hip hop artists, uh, but also other artists in movie stars. Um, they're not a better, some of them are, but they're not a better rapper or a better actor. Um, they just got lit maybe. And then they're getting the best beat to the year. So they're going on a run. That's why some people go away is because they're hot right now. So all the producers want to work with them. So the best beats are going to them. Right. So they're getting pop. Like, uh, um, the best actors of the moment that it hot actors, they're getting the best scripts. And they're getting the best roles because they're hot right now. But they're not movie stars. And the difference between them and us is when we get that moment where it's like, you know, different actors get plucked to be the, the flavor of the month, right? Like your boy, the dude who just booked Black Panther, like you started to see, like, oh, and the dude who's did the, uh, that joint, Mr. Wonderful or Wonder Wonderman. What's that actor's name? Yara something. You know, y'all, he just did the movie with Mark Wahlberg. Oh, oh, yes. Yes. Yeah. By any means. Like he's having a moment like everybody in this industry, if you're in it long enough, you're going to have a moment where you're the flavor of the month. And the difference is, once we get there, yeah, we really are like that. Yes. So we'll be, yeah, we'll be good. I mean, I feel that way is like the people, you know, why are you, how are you friends with so many people? Why are you friends with all your favorite comedians? It's because when we're around those people, they're like, fuck yeah. You're like being this guy, dude. I met CP, you know, CP, right? The dog on stage, one of my favorite people to watch. I didn't even see him do stand up yet. And, uh, uh, CJ was telling me you got to have CP on your birthday show. And I put him on my birthday show. He murdered. Oh, you had never seen him. I had never seen him. He murdered. And then me and CP kind of got tight. And he's like, he called me the other day. He's like, I'm writing a movie for us. Like, I love you. Like all this stuff. Like, I'm writing something for you and I, and I'm like, that's great. Like, yeah. Like, but, but who's to say that if he met like someone, again, not going to name no shade, but like that don't happen to a lot of people because 100%. I know CP, he's never offered to put me in a movie. So, I don't know what you did or said to him, but, um, bro, it's just very agmatic people. And that's something that can be taught. You can't go to theater school to develop the kind of personality you have. Yeah. Yeah. It just can't be taught. Certain shit is literally just in you. Who were your summary early inspirations of like comics, actors like when you were growing up watching stand-up? And who's your first stand-up show? Arnez Jay, you may not know who the fuck that is, but if you really been in the trenches, he was the host of comic view. Arnez Jay is one of the silliest comedians I've ever seen. Like, silly. He taught me to like really just, he also laughs at his own jokes. You could tell when he's on stage, he is having so much fun. And I've always felt like as a comedian, you know, sometimes especially white comics, you'll see him doing they said. Why'd you point at me? You'll see them doing their set and you almost look like, are you, are you enjoying what you're doing right now? It's so stoic and like, just almost like a mile. Chris enjoys doing stuff. Chris and he is silly, like he's having fun. And I've always learned like you should be having as much fun as the audience with your performing. Him, Martin Lawrence, like being in your face, like very brash if you see my shows. I'm like talking to the audience. I'm like at you. You have fun when you're on stage. And you have seen like Dev Jam people would be falling out of their seats laughing. That was you think it's not like that anymore. No, everybody's so polite. Yeah. That's why I want you to be seeing on my TikTok a lot that being token to his Mojo Brooks. Mojo. Yes. I just see him in yesterday. Come on. I want to come on the I feel like y'all would be y'all with grace. - What is this? - Yeah, he most of us goes crazy. He's one person that's like, he got it right now. - Yeah. - He got it right now. I'm next, he got it right now. - I'm right behind him. - I would shit on you usually 'cause it, but you are. - The numbers they get up there. - 'Cause you know the crowd works, it's like people starting to feel like, oh. - Yeah, how do you feel about, 'cause that's what he does a lot of crowd with. - But people get it misconstrued. You're only seeing a few minutes of the show. - Right. - That was crowd work, but we're not posting our material. If I do a hour set, I might do 10 minutes of crowd work, just to fish and see if I get a clip. 'Cause you don't want to burn your material. But people think, because that's what you post, that's all you do. - That's right. - It's like, I'm not doing, and sometimes it'll backfire 'cause people will come to shows and they want a moment. So they'll be yelling out, like trying to have a moment. But a lot of times we just work in our set. And then you'll do some crowd work to appease the internet, 'cause you got a post to set. - You think that's the fastest way to make it? - Yeah, that's the fastest way to make it. 'Cause most comedians, you're not doing so much material that you can just throw it away. Most of us are building our, it takes sometimes years to build an hour. So you can't really expose what you want to do. 'Cause the goal is, you know, you get an Netflix special. You can't have burned that material. So for me, like posting the crowd work, it's just how you sell tickets on days. But to get back to your original question, Ernest J. Martin Lawrence, Mike Epps is probably, Mike is probably my favorite comedian, but I don't think there was anybody touching prime cat Williams. - Oh yeah. - I don't care what you say. Nobody was funnier than Pimp Chronicles cat Williams from a actually talking about substance type of humor, silly type of humor, physical type of humor. The persona he had, the voice, there was nobody touching cat Williams, bro. How do you feel about Cat? - Honestly, Kevin was probably, he was actually my first show I ever went to. He was the person that I was like, he is the best at the business of comedy. Best at the business. And I also think people don't really give him his flowers for having some of the best comedy specialist of all time. - Please. - Like laugh at my pain was one of the best comedy specialists. - I'll go on a limb and say this. I'm not actually even gonna go on a limb 'cause it's truly how I feel. Kevin Hart changed comedy forever. And hold, let me explain why. When Netflix first popped or like, remember when it got changed and then, oh, you could go on Netflix and start streaming stuff. That was around like 2013, maybe 2012 or 2013. They put all three of Kevin's specials on Netflix. It was the only comedy specialist on Netflix. - I'm a growl little bear. - Yes, laugh at my pain, all this stuff. And I remember watching Big. This is fucking brilliant, it's so funny. It made stand-up more accessible. Because before it was just on HBO and if you knew, you knew, you had maybe Dan Cook was like, an early person of that of like, making it that. But when you put comedy specials on Netflix, it changed the game forever. And I think it exploded comedy. I think Kevin Hart did that. - Yeah, he did. - And you can tell me if I'm, 'cause like, again, I'm not a comic, so I had like, but I do remember like, once Kevin, when he also comedy central, his specials on there. - Yeah. - It was groundbreaking, bro. And he was low key the first comedian that I saw myself in. Like, he has my sense of humor. - Right. - He's similar. And you wanna know what? I actually do have a bone-to-pick with Kevin. 'Cause I did, you know, I auditioned for that funny AF show. - Okay. - That he did where he was like, trying to roll out the next big. - And I feel like he slept on me, bro. - Well, it's like he slept on me. 'Cause you know, the way they kinda did the show was like, 10 comedians from like, every city is like LA, New York, things Chicago. And I felt like, you know, you do your little five minutes set and then they decide if they move you to the next round, or whatever. And they just dwindle it down per episode. And I performed for Kevin and I feel like he ain't seen a vision. Like, Steve Sagar, it was like Kevin and not Steve Tom. - Yeah. - Kevin and Tom were like our judges. And Tom was like, I remember he was like, oh man, that kid has charisma like oozing out of him. And I feel like Kevin was kinda like, yeah. And I'm like, nigga, what? - You think you could have been, um, I think he saw I'm very similar to him. - Yeah. - And I think, sadly, and I might be complete. No, fuck that, fuck that, stand on it. - Fuck that, Kev. - Yeah. - You slept on me. - Yeah. - I used both a hand to torch over. Like this, he up next, here you go. And I feel like he slept on me. So I secretly, you know how people like us are. I just, I need, I'm on my Michael Jordan. I need to feel like Kevin Hart slept on me. - Yeah. - 'Cause when I was truly blowing, when we meet, I'd be like, yeah. You slept on me, but it gave me the drive to really go harder. - Yeah, it's weird. - Now he's the person that, like I've always, he's on my mount, Rushmore people. I'm like, I want to outdo him. - Yeah. - And how, I don't know. This nigga sold out a stadium at a point. I don't know how to outdo him. I might have to perform, be the first comic on Mars, but I'ma be here. - Kevin is, Kevin is like the person that I was chasing. - But who's to say that's not the best thing that ever happened to you, 'cause it lit a fire on you. - Yeah, really, after that, she's really start getting spooky. I just feel like, at a certain point, if you see the young versions of you coming up, open the gates. - Open the gates, pass the tour. - Do you know the way that I am? Oh, it's, I've had this conversation before. I just want everybody around me to win, 'cause I want everybody to be rich. - 100%. - I would never take money out of someone else's pocket. I just want my friends to do well and be amazing. I don't understand why other people don't feel that way. They feel threatened or insecure. And I'm like, honestly, you are, I wanna talk shit, but you actually are like that. I remember even meeting CJ. You were one of the first people to be like, yo, CJ is like, he's funny, bro. Like, you should rock with him, and now he's on the road with me, you know what I mean? And you did the same thing for me with Theo and different people, like, nah, Denny's that dude. Like, you're a real one, bro. - We all win. - Yeah. - We all win. All right, let's get some rapid fire for you. And then we'll get you on here. I know you. You got some shows this weekend, baby. - Sure. - Okay, this will come out Tuesday. This is our 100th episode. But where will you be the following weekend? - Pittsburgh. - Pittsburgh. What are some dates you got coming up? - Pittsburgh is coming up. Then I'm doing Spokane. - Nice. - I got so many dates. It's actually ridiculous, bro. - Well, I'm torn into 2027. - Okay, crushing a scene or crushing a standup set. Ooh, ooh, a standup set. - Yeah. - Absolutely, because you actually get the feeling that you crush. - Right. Acting you don't really know. You could have such a powerful performance and people are silent, you know what I'm saying. - And then you'll know like the year after. - You can look right when it's finally come out. - You won't really know unless you read the comments, maybe people being like, "Oh, he really did that," but you don't actually get the immediate response. - Right. - Stand up for sure. - Most underrated comic right now. - A mere K. - A mere K. - It's the perfect answer. - A mere, it's a perfect answer. - K without a doubt. And I feel like CP isn't really underrated. - That was gonna be my other one too. - No, people, if you want to come. - But he's just not famous, famous, yeah. - He's not as big as he should. CP and A mere are two of the funniest comics walking on earth. - Those would exactly be my, because what I love is like, I mean, you see me at the laugh factory, like once or twice a week now, 'cause, and what the laugh factory has done and Rihanna has done with that place. - Killing it. - It's changed the game because I feel like, you could tell me if I'm wrong, the comedy store is so like click like, who do you know? Like why are you in here? - It's like a frack. It's like a secret society. - You walk into the laugh factory and now I think this is why the laugh factory is gonna be bigger than the comedy store in the next coming years. It's because it has that energy of like, they're doing birthday party. Kyle Massey's, Chris Massey's birthday party. People are coming back. - So Rihanna just told me the other day, she's about to book Crip Mack. - Crip Mack? - Crip Mack. - And I was like, to perform stand up, she's like, yeah. - So she's like with the shitty nose, what's happening. - And she's a lot more experimental with the space. I really think like, when you pull up to the laugh factory, you're seeing a lot of your favorite comics be way more free. - Yeah. - And I'll see like Donnell, they're like a mirror. Someone at like midnight, when there's like, maybe 15 people in the crowd, and they are just murderers. - Crush him, bro. That club was the first club to put me on. Like, to pass me. I'm still not even passed at the store. - I'm telling you, I mean. - They're very, they're very- - You're not even gonna need it. - Select it. - It's like if you have your home club, work on your shit at your home club and then go make money in the tour. - The comic store's not gonna do anything for you that the laugh factory's gonna do for you. And I can say that 'cause I'm not a comic, and I don't need to be booked there, but you're kind of like being away for a long time. - I love your account, my store. - One actor that you have to work with. - Denzel. Denzel. - That I've named after him. I just before he retires. - Denny, Denzel. - Your full name is Denzel? - Yeah. I don't go by that, because when I moved to LA, I was Denzel Love. And the very first role that I booked in LA, I don't even remember, I think it was like the neighborhood in the training show. I was on set in a PA walks up to me, and they're like, um, Denzel? And I was like, yeah, I'm excited. I don't think like, I don't even know who I am. They're like, oh my God, this is a funny story. When I saw your name on the costume, all I read was Denzel, and I was like, oh my God, and I saw Denzel Love, and I was like, oh. And I was like, and that's when I realized that name is such a prolific name, that it almost consumes you. It's like trying to be an R&B artist in your name is Beyonce. Yeah. It's just like, you're always going to be overshadowed. The name is almost bigger than anything. That's smart. So I'm like, I can't do it, but I just got to kind of create my own name. Um, Kevin Langrose, I'm a bin Laden. [LAUGHTER] Do you wrote that down? Yeah, it's written down. I thought that was funny when I was doing it. [LAUGHTER] I'm going to write my answer in there. [LAUGHTER] You're a psychopath, bro. Oh my God, I feel like this is drink champs. So I want to take a shot and not drink. Yeah, you could drink. What's the worst advice you've ever received? He's like doing this podcast. [LAUGHTER] The worst advice I ever received was, trust me, you don't need it in writing. Oh, hell no. [LAUGHTER] Oh, hell no. No, there's ski. Oh my God. For the power fans that don't know what that was about. That's funny. Get it in writing. Yeah, that's funny. Even with the homies. Get it in writing. Even with your family. Get it in writing. Yeah. Yeah, I fucking love that. All right. Look, Denny is going to be a recurring guest on this show. We got to make him come back. Michael is going to be filming a little bit. I'm going to be filming a little bit. I would love for Denny to hop in and guest host with Christy Loft and sometimes. Love y'all. Denny's the go. I love Denny so much. Thank y'all. He is fucking killing it right now. Blowing up on Instagram, YouTube, his stand up career. Now he's on his first ever headlining tour. Please go see him on the road. 44 cities, man. 44 cities. I guarantee he's coming to your city. He's about to be in a movie with Damson. All of the episodes of Mayor King's Town has come out. Yeah, they out. A season. I'm on season three and four. Yeah. Also, this is my last question. Why does every bad white actress follow you? It's like bad as it's like fire. You know, I'm like a little white famous. Hey, bro, I'll be a L.A. Sue. We should be. [LAUGHTER] Any style, man, we go to the bird. We go bird street, man. We get the bird. I will say I'll go to some like fire white actress page. I'm like, that's really bad. I used to, I used to, I used to land, there's no. I'm married. I'm married, I'm married, man. I'm out. It's all the other boys. And I was going to speak to y'all about that too. Y'all need to get out these streets. No. You have to. The streets need me, no. The street is dangerous. Y'all ain't brother thought about. Brother, we're G unit. We're in these streets. OTF only the family durks about to get out. YSL, we're about to have young thug in the pod. NGK. We're moving over to his studio. We got an old stage. That's real crazy. We're EST, me and Micah and everything. So y'all dirty dick and never ever ever ever. No, no, I'm not saying that. I work on them. Time for some time, but I will not get it. Yeah, it's a sushi boys. Wait, how do you like being married? It's the fucking best. Because to me, it just has cleared up so much mental space to just focus on what I want to do and just build from my family. I don't have distractions. And honestly, bro, I've seen there's only a few things that have tumbled great men, money, drugs, and alcohol, and women. And you know, one of the people I open for almost was destroyed by that shit. And I learned, like, bro, is it really worth it? Like everything I built, is it worth some pussy? I agree with that. I'm just-- I think I'm very cautious of who I give my energy to and who I'm around. But like, because you got to realize, y'all, us, we're a story there. People fuck with you because they want a story. And I'm like, bro, I'm not trying to end up in no headlines. Like it's already, especially for black actors, all three of us. It's a thing where it only takes one thing from the industry to be like, oh, they already don't want you in it. And I've seen your close friends, first of all, the most lit close friends in the world. I've been a little quietly. You've been a little quiet. But also, you don't understand. You be violent. Yeah. It takes one this grunt to them, like me, to say some shit, just to be even cappin' for it to get bad. You're right. It's not worth it, bro. Find you a baddie and tuck off somewhere and cheat a little. But why does that, that's the story right there. You cheated. Yeah, you're right. Fuck, damn it. Why is that the first place show brain, though? Because I just can't be with one person, you know, Tard. You don't cheat, you just get a mistress. I'll see why y'all friends, because that is crazy to say. When Mike comes out to LA, we all get to kick it. Absolutely, bro. Mike is the most fun out at night. The most fun. He ain't no mad birds. I'm like, man, he looks like they have a good time over there, man. I love you, Danny. I love you, Danny. Everybody follow Danny Love For Real, the number four. Speaking of which, that's where I got the night. I fucked with Kevin Hart that much. You know his name on Instagram is Kevin Hart For Real. When I first started Instagram, I named it Danny Love For Real, because I was like, man, well, that's why he took care of my show. That's why he might not like you, dog, you know? But yeah, man, follow your boy on all platforms, I appreciate y'all come out to his show. Please. I rock with these. This is my brother's For Real For Real. I love you, man. You, manly. You, let me get a fucking role from time to time. No, you taking his roles, though, now, you, it's because I can't get to you. I got to get to your white friend. You know the show. That's what happened. No power. When they can't get to you, they go high lat break. Same shit, man. I love you, bro. - I'm going out to the garage. - Here? (upbeat music) (upbeat music) - Last ones of the airport buying breakfast. - Buy breakfast. (upbeat music)