307: Demon's and Spiritual Warfare w/ a Chief Exorcist

We've all seen movies that have exorcisms. And us, we have only that to go by. Would you say that that is accurate or is it nothing like the movies make it out to be? Are you ready for this now? This could be a little scary. Your worst nightmare, if you could pitch your worst nightmare, just picturing that into life in your realm of reality. I mean, it scares me every time I think about it. I lost money, lost grimmies. 'Cause I bet the Chapel Road was gonna get best new artists, but it was Sabrina Carpenter, something like that. Or it was Song of the Year. I can't remember. I was a bad bet. Bad bet. It was like 30 bucks. That's it? Yeah. I put it in thousands when I'm betting. They put a hundred grand last year. On what? On, uh, who is that artist, the. No, you did not say a hundred grand. A hundred grand. What was the artist? I didn't even know who it was. What was that again? I just because I do it so often. I just forget who I'm, you know, who I'm betting against. How are we doing? Not too bad. Not too bad. It's a Friday baby. I'm not doing too hot. Why not? I'm not doing good at all, actually. We had, actually, we had quite an interesting morning. I. Well, he got in. He got in super late last night. I got in like two o'clock in the morning. Okay. So he got no sleep. I wake up. I'm like, oh shit, like, I know he's not up right now. So did were you up when I called you? I had just woken up. Oh, okay. I had a feeling that you weren't up yet because you came in late last night. I had just woken up and I grabbed my phone. I saw your miss call and then I tried calling you back and then he comes walking and he's like, hey, you do my book. But usually, usually, he's the one up and out and I'm like, getting up. And so it was like flipped around for the first time. So that was like, you know, that was like pretty interesting. Did you have trouble? So that was. That was pretty fucking interesting. That's interesting, right? No, so we're driving here. And Zayn's not the type of person that looks at the road and talks. Like, when I'm driving and somebody's in the passenger seat, like, no, no, I don't look at them at all. My eyes are always falling. I'm looking. I'm looking. I'm just not paying. Like, I'm looking, but nothing's happening. So I'm driving. Equally as bad. It's, yeah, especially when people are in the car. When people are in the car, it's okay. I just don't like to talk too much with people in the car because I can't do two things at once. I'm driving and we just, we're about to pull into seven to 11, right? And I'm looking and I guess I've never in this state have ever about to hit a railroad where it's coming down for the train. I'm telling you, it's like ding, ding, ding. Yes, but I'm in Florida. It looks so much different, right? It's like, it's very loud. You hear it. The lights are everywhere, but I'm driving. And I see like, red going like this. And I'm like, oh, that's weird. Is it a red light? Oh, no, it's not because people are still driving. Like, okay, people are still driving. And I'm driving. I'm like, I'm driving slow. And then the thing is going, I broke it. It was in between them. He's like, should I stop it? I was like, oh, no, no, no, I wasn't going to stop. No, no, I would never stop. I've seen way too many videos where people stop and they freak out. I'm like, how are you still? How are you still even the train is coming? And they are like, or they don't think. Oh, they get out. Did they put their phone? They're like, damn, like, dude, you just did that in like, but no, dude, we were like, like, it was just, it was a really, it was like a old person moment that I had where I was just like, oh, wow, it's coming down and like, I pass it. And then we hear the train, like, 10 seconds in. I'm like, oh, Heath, that would have, I'm lucky, almost killed those. What's the motive? It was like a rail train. No, it's a locomotive. It was, yeah, it was a metro. Yeah, it was like a, it was a real train. Oh, my gosh. And just two, two. We get to 7, 11 and he's like, if I just flew in last night and we were to get hit by a train today before or before recording back. And I'm about to have a baby. Oh, I would personally kill you. I would wake up in the age which is the saddest story ever. But in that situation, you would be, you would be killed and I'd be alive. Yeah, because that was on that side. And you have survivor's guilt. Oh, yeah, oh, big. And that would have, so that happens. We pull up five minutes later and we're getting out of the car. We're joking about the situation. We're laughing like, man, what a shitty morning, whatever. So I'm back stepping looking at Zane while we're talking on the sidewalk. All the sudden, I roll my ankle into this giant hole. Like manhole in the sidewalk. About a full deep hole. And I'm like, oh, damn, that hurts. So I was like, whatever. So I just kept walking and saying really funny. Because it was like the only hole in the whole sidewalk. It was like meant to fall in the foot. Zane goes in peaks in the hole, fecal matter. Oh, human. No, all in the hole. Literally, somebody was bent in there and just taking shot in the hole. No, but it's a multiple mat like this, like this. That is the communal spot. communal toilet that whoever lives there. Rob my ankle into it. What kind of shoes are you wearing? Reeboks. Are you still wearing them? Yeah. Can you smell it? No. You can smell the difference between a human poop and dog poop. It's like, oh, that's human. Yeah, but lucky for him, it was very dried out. It looked like a hat. It was on a shoe. Yeah. Could have been worse. It was crazy because I almost killed us and then the manhole almost killed him. My goodness, a series of unfortunate events. Yeah. Off to a good start, though. Speaking of holes, did you hear what happened to Patricia's bracelet? Did you see the holes? Did you see them in the movie? Speaking of like manholes, the way she posted a take talk about this, but did you see it? Oh, even better. No. Okay, so it's Halloween night. We went out like trick or treating with like our good friends and their nieces and nephews just to hang out with them and do something fun. And Patricia didn't wear a costume, but then there was a Halloween party. She's like, let's just go back to the house. I know I have my old cheerleading outfit. It's in the garage. I'm going to go get it. We had them drinking all evening. We get there. Patricia then comes in and goes, I can't find my tennis bracelet. She has this nice expensive diamond tennis bracelet. Oh, they're called 10. They're called the tennis bracelet. Yeah. Thousands and thousands of dollars. And Patricia has had issues with this bracelet in the past. Like the class just broke or something like it's, it has fallen off in the past and we've had to face it. You look more expensive. You've been kidding me. I don't know where it is. I'm like, she goes, I think it's in the garage. Like you think. And then I'm like, but it could also be back at the house we were at because we deflated the big inflatable pumpkin and maybe it rolled up in that. We're all like, fucking hell. This is so expensive. I mean, we pay insurance for this bracelet. It's that nice. I didn't go into the garage. I'm looking all around the garage. I'm looking down at the floor. I can't see it. I'm like shit. But then I realized we have this massive crack in like a hole in the middle of the garage floor. I look down into the garage floor and deep down in it is like the diamond tennis bracelet. There's no way. Like I'll show you a video of it. It's crazy. But in the garage, there was like a hole like a crack in the hole similar to what you're talking about. How there was like a guess of an apparent poop hole. But this one was big. I'm sure yours is really tiny and not full of shit. There's no way. There's a no all the way down in there. How did you spot that? I just put out my flashlight looking down the ground and I'm like, it wouldn't be in there. And I sure enough, I see just a glimmer of silver diamonds. And how did it fall in that specific? Get out of the car. She was moving the tubs around to get her costume out and it just flung out and she said she heard like a ding. So she thought it was on the floor, but it went right into that crack. Thankfully, because I was thinking I have to McGyver this out of there. Oh, I should go get some chopsticks. I should, or I should seek my hand in it. But I was like, no, I've been drinking. I'm not going to do something stupid because already like the gravel in there is so fragile. I'm worried. You don't have to go further down. Yes. You know what I've done? Boom. Right, Justin. Yeah. Yeah. Um, but thankfully, because I was like, I need tongs. I need tweezers, but all of the ones we have were like too small and too risky. Hopefully Amazon. There's long tong tweezers out there. I Amazon prime those for like the next eight months or just super long little four sets. Almost like the thing to get the fish hook out. You got the clamp. The long thing. Yes. Yeah. It was like, oh, they're like medical grade ones, but we got that. Winning pulled it out, but it was just, we also like left it there for like two days doing exactly where this. I mean, that's, I mean, honestly, that's probably the best spot you could just have it sitting in. But unless an earthquake came and just with all that. Just taking that little too deep, at least you knew it was in the garage. Yeah. And like, had a good starting point. And honestly, good thing that she heard it drop. Yes. Cause like you, you would have never, again, if she, if she didn't know when she lost it, you probably wouldn't have checked that little hole. Right. And I think, oh, I'm glad I trusted my drunk detectiveness like by that came out of me, thinking like, what if it went down there? Cause also I could have seen myself on any day going, and going, it's nowhere. Yeah. It must be somewhere else and not looking that deep. Great. So guys, if you ever lose any jewelry, check the cracks in your garage door or a crotch floor. You know what I never understood? Obviously, you get the girl what she wants. You talk about it. You know their style. I hate you. You did good. No, I did what she wanted. Like what? Yeah. You did, you did a good job picking it out. It's like, no, really, it was just her vision. I mean, I guess you did good bringing it to life. You know, you know what it should be like. I mean, I know this is not, this will never, nobody will ever like this, but like in my head, this is genius. I, you get a fake wedding ring proposed to her and then after she says, you go by the ring that she wants. Exactly. You're saying just in case she says no. You know what? You know what? Even, even then. Also, I think you, if you're not sure, they're going to say yes. Let's wait. Yeah. Let's wait just a bit. I'm not, no, no, I'm not saying, in case they say no, I'm just saying getting the ring even better. Exactly. Have you seen sweet home Alabama with Reese Witherspoon? I have a lot of time. Patrick Debsey. I forget what's in the beginning. I'm not spoiling anything. proposes to her, but he proposes to her, like she's in this dark room, and the lights I'll turn on, and it's like a jewelry store, like all to themselves, and he's like, proposes he was picking any ring you want. Which is like, I mean, it's like a cheesy move, but like that's like a scene where you're already there on the spot and you can walk down and pick whatever you want. - That just reminded me. My dad did something really, really cute when my parents were younger, and I always think about this. It was like, I don't know, I think it's really cool, but they had gone into a jewelry shop, and there was this ring that my mom fell in love with. My dad knew that she really liked this ring. He ends up going back to the jewelry store, talking to the owner and setting up this plan. So the next time they go into the ring store, like a month later, whatever, just to go browse it stuff, they go up to the checkout, and the owner goes, you're the 100,000th customer, and you get a credit up to a thousand dollars to pick out whatever you want. - Wow. - All the sudden, there was somebody next to them that was getting really pissed off 'cause they were in line before my parents, and then they stepped aside. So then my parents had walked up. So they were like, starting to get into like a little argument. Like I was here first, and the owner was like, no, well, this is just, it's the way it is. Like you're the thousandth customer, and you get to have this credit to go pick out whatever you want. And my mom goes and picks out the ring that she had been eyeing. Check out. - She's like next to the lady. - She's like this, yeah. - She's ecstatic, freaking out, super excited, just won this like jewelry lottery, whatever it was. And for the longest time, my mom had no idea that my dad went in there, paid for the ring already, knowing that's what she wanted. Had this whole bit set up, that she was gonna be the lucky whatever customer to get this credit towards the jewelry store. - Oh, well, he did that bit just to, like, - 'Cause he hurt fun. - Yeah, 'cause like, nothing they didn't have the money, but it was like something that like, you know, it would have been silly. - Do you think she would have talked to herself out of like, not getting it? - Yes. - Exactly. - So my dad wanted to do it. - 'Cause he'd be like, well, I have to get it. - Yeah, because of that. - That's actually really smart, that's really. - And he never told her for like, I think it was years that that whole thing was like, oh, is she, she really thought she wanted? - It's because a lot of people do feel guilty, I mean, buying anything expensive, but the moment they're like, you're the lucky person that's getting this discount, you just almost feel like, oh, this is like, this is like, this is faith. They're like, oh, I'm supposed to be buying this item. - How do you feel? - Yeah, you have. - I got picked. That other guy's like, they were mad. We were speaking of weddings. We got new selves in the studio. If you're watching, look at this. We are, it's getting there. We're slowly steady making our stuff look beautiful. - Matt and Patricia, Mariah. - We got him. - Y'all, I just don't realize, this was behind me. I'm looking at Y'all's pictures and I look over at this one on my right, and I'm like, I don't have a personal photograph. I was gonna say something, but I'm like, I'm gonna keep it to myself. - No, it's right here. - Oh, how great. - Yeah, it's my favorite thing. - It's my favorite thing. - Both of you are significant others and I'm with my mom behind me. - Hi, she's your main woman. - Yeah. - And the fuck you for picking that picture? - You don't have many, Zayn. You wanna see the other picture I was gonna put up? - Yeah, what was the other one? - I was gonna put up this one. - Jared, but yeah, no, we're getting there guys. You know, we are working hard and it's coming together. - It really is. - Yeah. - Isn't it crazy your wife's out there? - Yeah. - And she's one day she's gonna replace my mom. I'm actually gonna put her face. - Yeah, I'm gonna show it a shot of it to replace that. - Do you think you already know who your wife is? - You think you've met already, have met them? - No. - Okay. - No, I've not met them. Not yet. - You never know. - The Daniel. (laughing) - Is Daniel dating anyone? - No, but she isn't like trying either. - Okay. - She's not on the apps or go. - She's just not trying. - No, it's funny 'cause we'll both be on the, we'll both be on the day at the same time. And we're just after like a week, we're just like, we're just fucking laser like fuck. - That's a start of a good movie. Sitting next to your girlfriend's best friend. - Yeah, sounds like a delini room. - I'm not scared. - Yeah. - I'm like, I can never find like the right man. - Me and you can be the right. - Left swipe right, well. - No, it's, Zane on the dating apps, there's a reason he hasn't found his wife yet. (laughing) So, no, we were on, we were out in New York and we, in Jared was with us, I was with my manager and we were just talking about just like, our loves, our lives, whatever. And I'm, I was showing my, like dating app. Like my manager's like, oh, let me see your matches. I'm like, I show my matches, like, oh, okay, okay. - He's complaining that he can never find a connection with a girl and it like never gets past the first couple of episodes. - No, no, it's, yeah. It's not even that. It's more just like I, I just, I'm not able to poke, like even focus. I'm just like, not determined on the app, on the apps in general. And when I do try, I just, it's always, like it kind of always fails 'cause I'm just, I'm not good at talking, I'm not good at texting. Especially to people I don't know. Like girls I don't know, like it just, it's even harder. - DMs are just scary. They don't know your tolerance with someone that you only have like, just digitally an impression of. - Exactly. Like every text that I send, if it's not business, there's, there's a tone to it. There's a way I'm saying it every single time, you know? And so when I'm texting these girls, I'm saying it in a tone where I really need them to hear my text. - Zayn's first DM. So I'm looking for $500,000. (laughing) That's 20% of this company. - 20% of my heart. (laughing) - I was like, I don't know what's going on. I showed them, I showed them one of the, one of the texts I sent out. And they're like, well, (laughing) they look at one of the things I said, I started off with Haya. (laughing) - All Caps, H-I-Y-A. - H-I-A. - H-I-A. - And my manager goes, what are you a clown? - And that fucking destroyer. - I think you're being yourself. - No, 'cause like the way I said, it's like when I texted that moment, like I feel like in person, I wanna just stretch. - Haya. - Haya. (laughing) - But like, I'm next to their friends and they see that. - I gotta remember that like, you have to be on the other end too, like how are they going to receive this? And I just, I fail to always remember that. - Can you voice messages on the DMs? - They should do that. I know you can upload audio right now onto Hinge. - No, I think you could do audio on Hinge. - Yeah, you can do voice messages on Hinge. - In the DMs. - Yeah. - On Bumble. - I'd say go for that. - Because you, there's you, I don't know, they get a little essence of you actually speaking. There's not the over, what's the word? Criticizing of, maybe did I do all caps? Is that too many exclamation points? Should I add an emoji? It's just like, hey. - Yeah. But I think Bumble does like, you can even do like a FaceTime sort of situation. - Hi. - Which I, I mean, you know me, I love FaceTime. So I actually would much rather do a first time, FaceTime meet, like immediately like not even send a text first, FaceTime ring. - It's like a ringlight out like. - Hey. 99% of girls would be like, absolutely not. No FaceTime, like first time meeting FaceTime, like that'd be fucking weird. But I think that's amazing. - I feel like in a FaceTime on like a dating app, you know they say like, oh, there's some people when they FaceTime, they're only looking at themselves. - Like in something like that, you'd be so like focused on how you look like because you're wanting to make sure you see how you're portrayed. - Okay. - I just think mentally, that would just be a really weird like moment of being like, yeah, like you're just sitting there. - I'm straight or should you be like, I guess I, I got a mirror there, energy. - Yeah, I know. - But imagine that was a thing though. Like, imagine you've got people all day just trying to FaceTime you. Like as a girl, I'd be like, absolutely not. - Yeah. - Like just, you don't even know if you want to like, take the time to like, do the call. - But wait, I talk about like on a dating app. - Yeah, like if you were on a dating app and you've got all these like matches or whatever. - The thing is that you, I mean, just because you match with them doesn't mean like you want to like, have that FaceTime, I feel like. - That guy is wanting to have that FaceTime. - Definitely want to have that FaceTime, but for girls, they can be like, choose you. - I would do like, you find out something they're interested in. Maybe they love coffee. Like, hey, can I get your opinion like on something? Can I like FaceTime you? And then be like, which of these like two coffees do you think I should get? Or something that's like related to their interest. So it's not this like two formal of like a, - Yeah. - Of a business ext, or like, you know what I mean? - And I normally do, I get about something what you're FaceTiming. - I normally do, I mean, this was just one instance because I usually work off their page. Well, like one of their pictures, because the app that I was showing them, it's all pictures. There's really no information on there except for pictures. So you have to work off the pictures that they put up that if all their pictures are like very-- - Just them being hot. - Yeah, it's really, you'd have to like, you just have to be either smooth or funny, just add it like-- - I think a girl who has too many selfies and like no pics of friends is like a red flag. - I agree. - Like, if it's just then like, selfie, selfie, selfie, all the time-- - And it's like, and I don't even match with girls like that. - Yeah. - You can tell, just by like-- - I remember when I was on dating apps, that was like one thing where I'm like, if it's just all selfies from a person, there's something off where I need to see that you have like a social circle, your friends with people. People actually take photos of you and that you're not this like vane. There's something that's like vane about like, all selfies, where it's like, I only want me to get the right shot of me. And if they have a filter on it too, it's like-- - It's crazy how like how-- - All respect for resumes. It's just like, you want to make it perfect. It's like, it's crazy because our Instagram, we just post like, boom, boom, boom, but when you're on the dating app, oh, that's like, you really got a cater every picture matters. Again, this-- - You're really trying to make yourself look as good as possible. - Yeah, or like, for me at least, I, when I'm curating my pictures, the last thing I'm trying to put is like a hot picture of me. I'm trying to like show my personality every single one, but is that too much? - So, Zayn and his bumblebee out there. (laughing) - No, no, no, no, no. - That would show some muscle, Zayn. I would show some muscle. - You don't do your body reveal picture. - No, him and his thumb. - No, you see, I would never do that. - But like, I think that's crazy. - There's like some good pics of you, I think like, you know, like in a little like, white tank. - 'Cause I don't think girls care about that shit. - Oh, they kind of do. Sometimes it's a turn off. If you're like clearly showing off that you're in the eye. - The girls that I'm friends with when they mention like what's, they don't even find that shit hot. - Oh, just show your arms. - I think you go to the arms. - Oh, okay. - I would show just a little bit. Show that like, you're working with something, but that you're not just selling that. - Yeah, like a big fat dog. - Oh yeah, just a bulge. - Zayn's pics are all in gray sweatpants. (laughing) - Remember that fucking TikTok era? - Slanging it around. (laughing) Trying to shake it as fast. - And you go to the comments, all kids. - All right. - It looked at me first. (laughing) - Hey, let's cut that out. - Why the? - Oldest pic of you on your dating profile pics. - I don't have. - 'Cause sometimes, I don't hold and hold photos up, buddies of mine, 'cause I like to do an audit for a friend. I'm like, you know, this picture's like from 10 years ago. - I do need to update it 'cause every-- - Even five years ago, it was a bit of a stretch. - It's me with blonde hair. So I need to update it with my brown hair 'cause I'm not doing blonde anymore. - Oh, okay. - Oh yeah, I should probably mention that. I'm not doing blonde anymore, guys. - I've listened to you. I've seen your comments. You hate it. I've seen it. And it also hit me that I'm not a professional soccer player, I'm not a DJ. So why the fuck do I have blonde hair? - You're an internet personality. - No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. That does not-- - Not an excuse. - That doesn't mix with blonde hair. You know what I mean? If I was behind the fucking DJ, say, I was performing at Coach, I was DJing one of the biggest after-price on Coach, sure. Keep the blonde hair. But no, this is a big yikes. That's right. (laughing) - The spikes. - If I was a DJ. - Yeah, like that's sick. (laughing) - Should we talk about who we're like, about to have on? - Absolutely. - Because I'm super excited. This is actually, I'm so hyped for this guest. It's not even funny. - Yeah. And it's, this is someone that I never thought that would even say, ever say yes to a show like this. You know, like, I feel like if I was a archbishop, pass, what was he again? - Archbishop. - Archbishop, yeah. If I was in his position, I've been doing for 40 years. And I got an email to come on this show and I watched one episode. I'd be like, absolutely not. - He probably saw it. - Not for my brand. - They need help. (laughing) That is why he's like, I don't want to, but I need it. - Yeah. - And have a calling to go on. - It's because we've talked about like, we've talked about spirits and ghosts and whatever. But we've never talked about like, exorcisms, really. We've probably made jokes here and there in like different episodes about like whatever, but it's a very real thing. - This is a very real thing. He is an exorcist. He's done exorcisms. And to be able to like, learn more about that world. And he's, again, he's been doing it for such a long time. It's gonna be, I just hope he does not bring anything with him in this room. 'Cause I don't have the energy to deal with something like that. Because if this happens today, - He doesn't need an exorcist. - And I go home. - I think we are the best defense right now. - And I go home and like, my life starts flickering. That's it. - Well, what's weird is he sent us an email before coming on, basically just being like, hope everything goes well like, day of when you're setting up. Hopefully there's no technical difficulties with the set or any equipment. We get in here, we start setting it up and the cameras are flickering. Inside the camera. And we've never seen this before. In the seven years we've been doing this. - I'm gonna start crying. - You get emotional too and stuff like this starts happening? - Oh yeah. - I'll start bawling. - Oh yeah. - Oh, it's scary. - I was swiping through a TikTok. The amount of likes on it. 666.6, I sent it to Jared. I was like, - Look at that. I have a gift card to go get a coffee, right? And I checked the balance. $6.66 left on it. I was like today of all days. Ever since we talked about angel numbers on the Zach episode, I've been seeing so many 666s and it's freaking me the fuck out. - And that's what I actually really want to ask him about his thoughts on 666. Like does he believe that's a devil number? Like when he sees it, does he feel something? Like I'm curious to see what it is like. - I've been numerology, tarot cards, weegee boards, all of it. - Yeah, I didn't even think about weegee boards or anything like that. - Yeah, I watched the exercise last night just to get my life self in like the mood. Oh, and also 'cause we started very early today too and I knew I had to get up early and just that like, you know when you're sleeping, you're dreaming, but you know you got to get up at a certain time and your brain's more than it. I was having just fever dreams of exercises and stuff. - You know I've never seen it. - Oh, it's you shut, you shut. It's a good one. - I've seen like the-- - Scary movie. - I've seen-- - Making fun of the exercise. - Yeah, and I've seen like the clips of like the whole like in the bed, but I've never seen the full movie all the way through. - It's way ahead of it's time. - So we're gonna be able to like find out how close it is. - Yeah. - Is it our movies similar to it or? - Didn't the actors break her back during that bed scene? - Ooh, that's a great question. - It was a better way to do it. - I think it was something like that. I do remember hearing something about that, but I know the main one that I heard that's like really spooky is that poltergeist one. - He told poltergeist has like a series of deaths like associated with that. - Yeah, that's crazy. That's like really weird. - Yeah, so. - Yeah, so yeah. - It'll be interesting to know what's fact and what's fiction. - Exactly. - Yeah, and I wonder if it's as-- Why do I feel like obviously, I think the movie, you know, obviously movies are always like over exaggerating everything, but I honestly don't think it's as scary as any of us think it. I honestly think the most I'm guessing, the most is like just sweating and heaving. Almost like, you know when you see a, I don't know, this is like super offensive. - Okay. - You know when someone's like in rehab for drugs and they're in the bed and they're-- - Yeah, they're going through withdrawals. - They're going through withdrawals. I think that's what I feel like is what they're dealing. Like that's what it was like. - Sweating, convulsing. - Yeah. - Kind of like having like panic times on them. - I don't think they're like, I don't think there's-- - Just the projectile. - Speaking in tongues. - Yeah, I think that's the existence of the projectile vomit is so much, I'm like, you done? Where is that happening from? - Like, huh? - Yeah, and so, but what else was really interesting in that email? 'Cause Jared brought up headspinning and he's like, well, one thing, first off, that's very rare. - Very rare. - And we're like, rare. We thought that never happens. - What the fuck do you mean rare? - That was movie magic. What the fuck do you mean rare? So I don't know, but I don't know if he's kidding or not though. What if he's just like, what if he's not even exorcist? What if he's lying? - What if he's a demon? - Oh, I don't know. - We'll be respectful. - Yeah, no, we definitely will. - It is interesting that you say, like, talking about the withdrawals and stuff because I was doing a lot of research on like the famous exorcism movies and came across the exorcism of Emily Rose, which is based on a German girl. - Yes. - And she kind of exactly what you were saying. It wasn't so much like the movie magic that they portrayed it to be. But at some point, she's like, stopped eating and became very sick and stuff like that and eventually died from. - Spoiler from her, like, her possession. - Yes. - That's why it was really controversial 'cause like some people getting prosecuted for, yeah. The pastor that was exercising her was charged with negligent homicide. - No way. - Oh, wow. - Because basically they, like, instead of getting her actual medical help, they were going through this, like, religious practice and basically let her die. And, but a lot of the symptoms were kind of similar to withdrawals and, like, starvation. Eventually, she contracted pneumonia. Like, it was bad. - Oh, shit. - Yeah. - How long, like, the actual, not the movie, but like the actual person did that happen? - Oh, it was over the course of, like, months. - Was this back in, like, the 50s, 60s? - I believe it was, like, around, like, maybe sometime before or maybe a little after World War II. - Okay. - She died in '76. - She died in '76. So, 1975 to 1976. - Well, she's here, by the way. - Storytime on How I Was Possessed by a Damon. - Do you think, I don't, I literally don't know if this is fucking insensitive or not. But, do you think that people back then, they, like, they were saying that they had a demon inside them, but all they had was just, like, schizophrenia? - Yeah. - For sure, right? - Yeah, that's a big case of it. - Or just, like, fucking. - And I think he's mentioned, or this guy, I guess we're gonna have on. Exorcisms are very rare. Most of them are mental health issues. I mean, and for Emily Rose, or what's his girl's name? Annalise Michelle, like the real girl, 23 is when she died. That's like the age when schizophrenia kicks in. It's like your early 20s. Like, that's when it really starts to manifest. - So, I guess that's a good question. - So. - So. - Like, can you determine between, like, mental health? - Also, it's like parents who are, like, in denial, like, about just seeking medical treatment. - Yeah. - And they're also maybe super religious, and they think that they're only looking at it through this kind of stuff. It's like, all they see is demons instead of, like, a mental. - Yeah. like almost like a, yeah, an off of Munchhausen by Proxy. It's just something where they're just like, yeah, the parents are not. I listened to a podcast on my way here of a guy, and it was like the exorcist files. It was like a guy's podcast, all about exorcism interviewing guys like this. And it, but hearing like the story, so I was like, oh, this is really fucking real. Oh, okay, like, I don't know, just talking about like really the demon speaking to them and stuff. And like one of the guys had like lost his wife like three months before he did an exorcism. He said that was a terrible idea because he went in and the demon like brought it up. Oh, and he was just like, I'm out. Like he couldn't do it. Like that. I'm like, huh, that's what's, or that's a big question I want to ask is like what, sometimes the demons, like what, sometimes they already know stuff because in the exorcist, when the exorcist first, actually it's the first like priest that shows up. I don't know for another, I didn't finish it. But his mom had just died and he comes in and is like trying to challenge it to see if it really is like the devil in this girl and she mentioned something about like his mom just dying. And as he's leaving, he goes, did you tell the daughter that my mom just died and she goes, no, and he goes to so and so tell you that she goes, no, I didn't know any of that. And then that's when he's like walking home and he's like, my God, this might be real. Like that, that stuff's like just takes one moment like that where it's like, oh, okay, done. Where it's like this is not a little girl here anymore. This is someone who is all power, all empowering knowledge of existence. Like it just what makes, what makes each person a target? Like that, that to me is so scary. Just like Ryan, like what makes each person a target? And I know, yeah, it's not like you're asking for it yourself. Just like you touch some possessed object and it just goes into you like that. But I think that's what the devil wants. Well, that's all, we're gonna get answers to all of this. Like what makes a good host for a demon? - Yeah. - But I think we should ask him if somebody in this room is, like, I don't know, or do you sense anything in this room? And if so, who has the most amount of demon in them? Like if we all have like a little bit of a demon who has the most amount? Like even a little bit like these. - Yeah, like K-pop demon hunters. - Yeah. (laughing) - Have you seen it? - I saw the first, I saw the first thing in a story about like the main girl of the K-pop demon hunters. - No. - So they are a trio. They fight demons on the side of making amazing K-pop hits and going over all to her. But like the Beyonce of this like Destiny's Child trio, she secretly is part demon. - Uh-oh. - Yeah, but they're demon hunters. - And they're demon hunters. So she's keeping it a secret from like girls. - That's why she knows where they all are. - And all the inner working. - And stuff. And so she's always trying to like hide her arms and stuff. And then like as the movie progresses, the girls realize like you're a demon. And they're like, she's like, I know, but you guys don't understand like I want to fight the demons and stuff. And she like befriends like a demon who's like the boy and they all like seeing this amazing pop song at the end. - She dies and that. - No, no, no, no. - No. - It's beautiful. - The ending transcends all space and time. That final scene of like this is what it sounds like. - So she got exercise. - Okay. - Where they try Fecta and they're coming together above the arena and the whole audience is like, oh, it's unbelievable. I cry. - I think she watched that. I think that it's incredible. - Pop it on, just pop it on. - No, I did. I tried, I need to, I think I need to rewatch it. I think I put it on when I was like a little tipsy. One night. - I try to cover up the demon suck inside our head. - Okay. Oh, let's do it. - Yep. - It's coming out baby. - Woo! (upbeat music) (upbeat music) - Welcome back to Zana Heath Unfiltered. I'm Zane. - I'm Heath. - I'm Matt. - And today we have a very, very, very special guest here with us today. We have the Archvishop Ronald Files and Wright who is a chief exorcist and founder of The Order of Exorcist. - And we are lucky enough to have him on our show today. - We can't wait to pick your brain. We have been dying to get into the whole world of exorcism. We've had spooky episodes in the past. We've done conspiracy theories, all of that. But this is a whole new wheelhouse for us to venture into. So thank you so much for gracing us with your presence. - Because every time, because every time we talk about it, it always seems like this like fake thing that we only see in movies and it's like, oh, it's always over exaggerated. But there are people out there like you that are actually doing these exorcisms. Like we think that's like insane. And the fact that we have you here to even talk about it is like, we really appreciate it. - Well, I'm glad I'm here. - Yeah, I'm glad I could be seen. - Thank you for taking the time to come hang out with us for a bit. - Yeah, so just give us like, you know, a little skinny about your background, your journey of faith and how you found yourself into this position. - Well, first of all, it all started with a supernatural event that occurred in my life. It was very interesting. I was like 11 years old, if you can believe that. Most of the people that are in my organization are clergy and their supernatural events also begin at a very early age. Anyway, my supernatural event was, I'm 11 years old. I'm from New York, by the way. - Well, what? - Brooklyn. - All right. - Yeah, yeah. In fact, I was actually raised in Hell's Kitchen. - Okay. (all laughing) - Don't forget it's just the fact, you know. - It's a little appropriate. - Okay, well, in any case, I'm in the show in Brooklyn in Hell's Kitchen. And something happened that was really bizarre. There was a blast like a light that just, light beam to just blast through the bathroom window. And it was so bright that I had to close my eyes. It was a step right. It was just super bright, like a blast of white, white. Kind of like your waiting room. It's like a holding white. It's amazing. In fact, as I stepped into your waiting room, I thought it was the flashback. (all laughing) Anyway, as it turns out, I closed my eyes for just a second. So it seemed like a second. And I saw myself in a clergy shirt, a Roman collar, in some capacity in the church. And I was only 11 years old. Okay, I didn't really know what was going on. But then after that experience, I opened my eyes slowly and I saw what looked like a very thick, heavy steam or smoke slowly like entering or exiting the bathroom going through the window. And it just totally dissipated. And since then, I've been telling this story. I don't know, a couple of thousand times in my lifetime because it's really amazing. It was my first true divine, what I call vision, if you will. Ever since then, I was basically attracted to the supernatural. Things started happening in my life. I mean, the first time I started noticing things when things started flying off the counter by themselves. And I'm saying, well, this is something I really shouldn't ignore because it's very concerning. When you start having your food fly off your table and you don't know why, it's like, okay, it was responsible. Cause and effect does not apply when you're dealing with the supernatural, okay? Because when it happens, you're like going, well, that really happened, maybe. And then, interesting fact, I have a very close colleague of mine who's a psychiatrist and Dr. Adrian, he's on my, he's on my program. I have a program also that's not as successful as you guys. Man, you guys have one heck of a studio, thank you sir. Wow, it's like when I walked in, I thought I was like the entry, we have a cathedral. Oh, you're saying we have like positive energy? It was a lot of positive energy. You know, normally white, when you have white all over the place, that's really good positive energy. When you walk into a dark room and the walls are painted black and there are no lights, you know, you're bound to bump into the walls and you're talking about evil. That's exactly where evil comes from. Exactly. You have the light and you have the dark. And you, you know, we try our very best to stay out of dark places. I mean, I do anyway. I happen to know that the world is full of sharp corners. Would you say, would you say most supernatural events that you experience is it mostly positive or is it like half negative, half positive? What's the, all my life, I've been interacting with dark entities, but also I've also been interacting with entities that I would say would be from the light. I've had many angels that have appeared and actually and I interacted with. Sounds kind of crazy. You know, and at this point, your audience is probably saying this guy's way off his rock. You know, most people think I'm, you know, well, you know, I have a friend, like I said, who's a psychiatrist and if I was, if I had some former psychosis, I think he would be the first to let me know. That's a good friend. And I feel like you're inviting them into, I feel like people that don't invite them in, I feel like they don't experience it because I personally believe heavily in supernatural events like that. And I believe that people experience events like that. I just feel like I never have is because I feel like I'm not open to them or I'm not like really letting them in. You're half right on that. Okay, you're not letting them in because you're not aware of what's really going on around you. If you were, you know, the clock me there, huh? He said, you're unaware. Yeah, well, well, you know, the thing is that most of us, you know, we think we know what's going on in the world. And honestly, we don't. Everything is like, everything's in the dark. Everything is just beyond our capability of understanding. Most of us are totally oblivious to what's going on. is referred to as diabolical events. You don't know about it because you never had the experience. Even though maybe you're one of those people that have, you've just finished murdering maybe six people in your building. But you never had a demonic involvement. So you have no idea what caused that per se. You might think it's part of your normal behavior. It's okay to kill people, if they get your way, spit on your shoes, whatever. This is what happens when you're living an Italian environment. The point I'm trying to make is that you don't really know what you're dealing with unless you understand and you know what to look for. And when you know what to look for, guess what? You're trapped because the more you know, the more things that you become aware of, the more things you become aware of, the more things that could actually interact with your space. So just to kind of backpedal on, you know, you become ordained and you find yourself into this profession. When you were going through like ministry school, did you have a specialty already in supernatural exorcism? So when does that come into your life and you make that like your new experience? Well, I've started become, I became groomed in that form of lifestyle, if you will, when I was 11 after that supernatural experience. Okay. And most seminaries have, they don't specialize in this. They don't teach exorcisms. They don't really teach about, they just teach you about, you know, past oil roles and basic theological, theological teachings and things of that nature, but nothing to do with exorcisms. And so it's after that, when you feel that you have a calling, and this is the whole key thing, all the people that that are clergy and editor in my organization, they all can tell you that they had a supernatural experience and they all have a calling. And that's the reason they're there. They were called, the violently called. If you're not called into this ministry and you go off and you try to do an exorcism, the odds are you're not going to be successful. And not only that, but you put the victim in danger and you put yourself in danger because this stuff is real. I mean, we're talking about as real as life truly is, you know, it's, it's, you talk about a virus. I mean, no, it's, it's real. It's, it's, it's something that can touch you if you get close enough. And especially if you're open to it. Warning, this product contains nicotine. nicotine is an addictive chemical. Is that something that you fear going into an exorcism? Is that something that you're aware of that you're, you try to keep distance? Or is it just part of the territory? You know what you got to do? And what your faith just guides you through it? Well, you know, sometimes it's part of trial and error. My first exorcism, I was a very young priest and it was in the mid 70s. And I had a mentor who was an experienced exorcist and he's been doing it for long as I've been doing it now. Old guy, really sharp. And, and I was his assistant for four years. It's a four year training program, if you will, on the dark training. Okay. You know, so I'm his assistant and, and I'm reading, you know, all the responses. Well, we use the Roman ritual. So, you know, the responses are what the second priest would be reading as the exorcist, the lead priest, would be performing the actual ritual. So I did that for four years. My first experience was a very unforgettable event. Yes, sir. Okay. There I am for the very first time seeing an actual real demonic event take place where things are happening in the room. And I know I'm not talking about things flying off the shelves or the walls breathing or hearing the whispers behind walls that have no backing. I'm not even referring to that. I'm referring to something that is way beyond your comprehension. In fact, most of the time a person in my position would never even reveal this because it's too shocking. And every word that you hear now is being exorbed into your subconscious mind, which means that it's altering your perception of whatever the subject matter is. So anything I say can create an opening for what we refer to as a demonic oppression. This is where the demon can actually place a thought in your mind subconsciously and you have no idea that it was placed in your mind. I'm good. And as a result, you might witness your behavior going into a very negative state where you become hateful, where you become jealous, where you become where the whole world is, is you're in the center of the whole world and the whole world has to bow down to you or you'll go out and do evil things. Getting back to my experience, after seeing some of these shocking things in this room, it was me and of course the exorcist who I'm assisting and we had about four team members. These are Layadi who actually do the first contact interview to see whether or not we have a valid case. And then I'll explain that a little further on if you like. Just in the beginning of the ritual, things started happening and then I started feeling things. And there was an odor. The odor was such a terrible stench. I'm sure you've heard about this, you know, the odors, you know, people who are, you know, possessed. Anyway, I realized that the odor wasn't coming from the victim. The odor was coming from me. I'm reading the responses and the exorcist is performing the ritual and I'm crapping on myself because I've never seen this event before. It's the reality coming back into play where all the money, so the smell is coming from me. When you said it was me in my head, in my head, you said right after, it's because I didn't shower. Yeah, yeah. It was something coming down below. Okay, you're paying. Wow. Yeah, so it's after starting running down my leg. My mentor, the bishop, you looked at me and he said, Father, you okay? And I said, well, and he says, yeah, I think it's time to take a break. So we decided to take a break and it gave me enough time to clean myself up. But that was my first encounter with a demonic entity that was habitating in this poor individual. The victim was who was suffering. How old is this victim? The victim was like a young woman. She was like 22 years old, 23 years old. You'd never know it by looking at her because when a person is truly possessed, everything changes in regards to their physical appearance, their skin changes. It looks like a dried up prune, if you will. Yes. Dark, dark gray color. Wow. Their eyes and hair can change color as well. It's interesting. One of the things that you know when an individual is possessed, one of the signs that we look for is we look into their eyes. Not, we gots to the color of his eyes or whether or not salad. That's not important. What is important is the blinking. If they don't blink, something is up. You know, it's a bodily function that you have to blink your eyes every 30, 40 seconds. You know, it just lubricates the eyeball when a person doesn't do that. There's something going on. The demonic goes into an individual. It manifests itself in terms of personality and a person and other traits that are not human. Me over blinking now. This person, this victim was she, I'm like, I don't even know how to ask this, but what did you get any information of who she was before? Was it like a family member who reaches out to you guys to go deeply concerned. Oh, sorry. No, no, no, no, no, that's a good question. I'm going to go back to a little bit. Okay. What we do is we wait for people to contact us. We have a website, www.orderofexecence.com. People look at that or they just do a Google search and they'll find our website and we have a contact form. The individual would put their contact information along with details as to what their situation is. And then it's automatically emailed directly to my email address. And when I receive it, I look at it and I do what's referred to as discernment because there's so much deception out there. You know, there are people poking you. I get at least two requests a year from Lucifer. And so, you know, I'm pretty sure he's not reaching out to me. But the guy, you know, is saying he's then, oh, I got one that was Trump from Trump. This is only about maybe a week ago. It came in and I just said, Trump. And I said, really, now, interesting enough, I received a letter from President Trump last year. Actual. Actual. Yeah. Yeah. And September 2026. Yeah. If you look on Facebook, you'll probably, I haven't posted a little bit of a place. Anyway, I received a letter from Manning just acknowledging and banking. The best of ever demons. Best of ever see. I've known. But yeah, I mean, I received one in 1983 from Ronald Reagan. Whoa. And in 1989, that was a presidential accommodation and then back in 1989, 1989, 1993, one from 1989. Bill Clinton, and it was a presidential thing. - Wow. - Yeah. Anyway, when a person has demonic issues, what they do is they contact us. Once we receive the email, I look through it. If it looks like it's valid, you know, and not from Lucifer, but, you know, it's valid, you know, then I would contact all of my members, and I give them a mass email with a cut and paste copy of the letter. And so when it goes out to all of them, I have members in 24 countries, and in 18 state or 19 states. - Wow. - And yeah, well, we've just been going on for almost five decades. So it's a long time, okay, in the process. And, you know, people are, this is like a needed thing, you know? It's like a dentist, you know? If the first dentist never practiced his art, you know, the odds are we'd all be sitting here without teeth. - That's true. - You know, so it's a really necessary, especially in the spiritual world, if you believe in that kind of thing, and you're crazy if you don't. I mean, the miracles happen all the time every day. I mentioned angels, and I have fantastic angel stories to tell you, but I think we're here about, talk about demons. So we can, we can, we can. - We can't end it on a good note though. - Yeah, you know, I do want to hear about the good ones. - Yeah. - Okay, we're nice to hear too. - Okay, for possession itself, how does one become possessed? - How is the host chosen? - There's a few ways, okay? Across the most well-known way that most people would say would be if you invited into your space, people that play with weechy boards or things in this nature where they want to open up a door to the other side, and when they're doing so, they have no idea what's gonna come through. Even on the scripture, it says that the devil can disguise himself as an angel of light, and some people believe that they're, what are they called, spirit guide. This spirit guide could come through and help them in life, but rather, it could be a demon disguise as something good. And if that be the problem that all kinds of things could happen, everything from not only demonic possession, which is extremely rare, but then you have demonic infestation. Now, this is very common. A demonic infestation is like a haunted house. Someone in the house opened the door to the darkness and invited the darkness to come in. Once the darkness comes into a house, all kinds of things will happen. For example, things will start moving by themselves. Spontaneous fires could occur throughout the house, whispers behind the walls or under the floorboards, vibrations on the walls. People have also been stuck to walls, like a fly, to a fly trap. It's a lot of crazy things. People, of course, you've heard about the elevation, the levitation and the elevation. The spinning of heads in my 49 years doing this, I've never seen anyone do that. I'm not going to say that it hasn't happened, because anything is possible. Believe me, anything is possible. When you see a person go through a wall and then come out on the other side and then they totally disappear, you have the right to say that you can believe in anything. Levitation to me, I think is the same as a headspin. If I saw that, I was like, oh, okay. The thing is that every case is totally different, so you never know what to prepare for. Is there like the severity level, or some more possessed than others, or is it pretty much similar? Some people have one may be possessed by one demon or a person can be possessed by many demons, multiple demons. You have a multiple possession. The priest would do the ritual, and then if you're successful, you have to come back the following day and get rid of the other ones. You know what it is? It's like being in the real estate business. You don't pay your mortgage, okay? The bank possesses your house. And then when that happens, the house stays vacant. And when the house is vacant, and then you have all the squatters that come in, hey, there's nobody living here, so they squat, and they make the place, you know, the house that pretty much their own. The same thing with the demonic spirits, okay? The person opens the door and allows these things to come in, they could take over, not only the body, but they will suppress their normal characteristics over human being and then start doing really crazy things, mostly torturing the victim. The victim, every victim that has ever gone to a true, demonic possession has been tortured by the demon from inside out, that is, that's why when you walk into a room and the person's possessed, you will actually smell. The smell is like rotten flesh. I don't know, the last time you've been to a morgue, I don't know when that was, the last time you've been to a morgue. When you walk into a morgue, the first thing you're gonna pick up is the scent, the smell, especially if the body's been laying there for any length of time, you know, and you're gonna smell, you know, and there's a reason, you know, when the physician does an orthopsy, he wears a mask for good reason, not because he's afraid of dreads, but rather because of the odors and fumes that come from the body, they're very toxic, you know. And so they have to wear some form of protection to do that. And if I got there alive and you're smelling that rot and like flesh is the same thing. - If you could, yeah, if you could believe that, it's just totally crazy. The poor victim is being tortured physically. It's like having their fingers pulled out from their joints or having their flesh being ripped open and interesting enough, there's no blood, it's just open, you know. What happens is the blood circulation goes, it slows down, you know, blood circulation body. It slows down to almost a stop to a standstill. And so it's like the person is basically dead. And when the demonic is taking over, he wants to destroy the person from inside out. And that is when this manifestation takes place, it's horrible. - I was gonna ask, are they aware that they are and are they seeking help as well from you? Or is it more like you said, the family member reaches out and they know something's going on and they're like, this person needs you. And like, are they welcoming of you when you come or has a doctor ever like referred a patient to you being like, we have looked at everything here across the DSM-5. And I think your best resort is you should go see an exorcist. Yeah. - Well, I just said, we have doctors in our organization, you know, who are psychiatrists, they're medical doctors, but they are psychiatrists and when we do an assessment, we have our investigators. They're the first contact interviewers. They go out, these are after the family members contact us or the victim contact us. We send investigators, a team of investigators out there to interview them, they do a complete assessment and we insist on a medical and a psychological report because we have to rule out things that might mimic possession. There's a lot of things that could mimic possession, you know? I mean, even the eyes color, eye color could change, hair color could change, even the facial expressions could change. All these things or speaking a different language, you know, really, that could be explained psychologically. But in the symptoms, when you see a person levitate and his body like comes from the bottom of the bed and goes straight up to the ceiling and stays there for about eight hours, you know, you have to say to yourself, well, it doesn't look like a psychosis, but actually, you know, so we have to make that determination. And so back in the early '80s, I created a, it's an actual protocol that we follow. I refer to it as the process and the process is done. When we send our investigators out, they have a questionnaire that they go through a questionnaire, which I designed like almost 40 years ago. The questionnaire focuses on three sections first, their health questions about their health, health history, what they may be going through. They're psychological health as well, mental status of the individual. And then of course, then we look at the third category, which is the most interesting. And that would be the manifestations that are taking place around the individual. The manifestations could be anything from things that are floating in the air and they just continue to float or cold spots in the house. Or it could be the cat. Maybe the cat is frozen in time and sitting in a corner and not moving. Animals are very receptive, by the way. Everything, they can pick up on certain things that we can't see. - Different frequencies, of course, yeah. - Yeah, there's the same thing, you know, with dog whistles. You know, we can't hear the sound of a dog whistle. The dogs can, but there's something about our reality. We're like, we're like in the middle of a multiple channels of reality. We could see what we could see based on the channel we're on. But the supernatural is between channels. So it's just beyond our senses, just beyond our comprehension. And some people that, in fact, this is really true from the most cases, when a person passes on like, and it comes back to life, you know, near death experience, they come back with abilities. They come back with things that they didn't have when they left they come back with abilities to listen and to be very intuitive. They come back with things and villages, to see things that most people can't see and this includes themselves, of course. But after the experience, they have all these amazing abilities. It's like when you pass this realm of reality, you go into the other and then you come back, you bring back something with you. - You're talking about one year after you get extras after-- - No, no, no, no. - I'm talking about your death experience. - Oh, you're right. - I told you about the guy that passed away and came back and he like, - Yes. - And talked. - The person that was at Thanksgiving? - Yes. - So I told you about like very similar situation, yeah. - It's interesting, I go back to some of the people that have known in the past that you would not believe their stories. In fact, they're so horrifying. I wouldn't even repeat them because you'd have nightmares for days, months, years. It may even alter your whole perspective of life. I don't want to ruin your life, guys. - I really want to hear, but like I do, I am scared of you, like everybody hearing that, like hearing like the really, the really, - Like scary stuff. - Scary, yeah. - 'Cause I don't mind, I don't mind hearing it, but. - I think that'll be a good warning if you're listening and you don't want to go any further. We'll probably dive into some darker stuff. The question I have, we're in the exorcism. We are confronting this demon. What type of energy, as you as an exorcist, are giving the demon? 'Cause you can't treat it really with respect. You have to be more powerful than it. Are you ever trying to challenge it? Or I wanted to say mock it, or try to poke holes in its power to make it doubt itself and to become smaller. What, yeah, how do we approach that energy-wise? Everything you just said doesn't apply. Oh, it doesn't, no, no, no, no. I mean, the person who may call themselves an exorcist may say, well, I have a lucky charm here and I have the energy I can go in. I've taken some power drinks. I could go in and defeat this demon. It doesn't work that way. - Oh. - One of the reasons is a demon is more powerful than we could ever be. Understand the demon has been around from the beginning of time. They're outside our time and space. In fact, I'll go even further. God, we believe, is outside time and space. So are the angels, and definitely so are the demons. And so they could look at a person and they know their entire story because they see time from the beginning to the end. I'm gonna share a really interesting story with you and I think you might find this interesting. This happened several years ago. I have a priest all over. I have one priest at a Philippines and he called me one day. He told me, you know, he said, you know, we sent you, we're gonna send you an evaluation that we did. And it was a final assessment and we like to get your opinion on it. So I said, sure, send it. And he overnighted because it was that serious from the Philippines to Ontario, California. And it arrived. It was a little CD, you know, thing, you know, where you can just pop in your computer and you can play it back. And so I looked at the first contact interview. Interesting, very interesting. It was a scene of an individual who was on one side of the table and our investigator was on the other side asking questions. And as he's asking questions, and this is determined whether or not, you know, the person truly has a demonic issue, as he's asking the questions, I'm looking at the screen. I have this big screen, you know. So I'm looking at this assessment as I've, as I've seen many thousands of them over the years. I'm looking at this assessment and I notice something really strange on the screen, it was like a little doc fuzzy thing. And it was going from the right side of the screen and slowly going past my line of vision and to the left side. I'm looking at the fuzz as going, and I'm going, oh, that's obviously something wrong with the video or, you know, maybe the, something wrong with the, maybe it's a fuzz or something in the lens. And all of a sudden this fuzzy thing starts going again and it goes very slowly crossing my line of vision and going like this and going to the far to the other side, to the right side of the screen. And I'm going, oh, that's weird. And then again, I just totally, you know, rushed it away and just kept trying to study the screen and what was going, what was taking place. Now I want you to tell you, I want to tell you that this assessment was done 30 days before I received it. So this happened 30 days ago. 30 days, okay, not in my press of time. 30 days. - Yeah. - So then I saw this little fuzz again. I keep that in mind, okay. So this little fuzz again, and it's like going slowly and this time it's a little larger. From a little fuzz ball, it turns you about the size of a quarter and it's going like that. And then all of a sudden it slows down to the center of the screen and I'm staring at it. And, you know, of course, you know, I consider myself a professional profile. I have to look at everything. I have to examine things. So I put my face really close to the screen like maybe two inches from the screen. And what the heck is that I'm looking at it? And it's making this like a figureation and it was sudden it popped out of the screen, pushed me. I'm my chair, I have wheels in my chair, pushed me back about four or five, six feet from the screen. It pushed me back and the wheel's just like, whoa, and then it's for about 20 seconds. I'm thinking I'm saying myself, okay, now what actually took place? And then it came to me, the demonic entity that was in at the assessment 30 days ago, it wasn't to make itself known to me. So it decided to put itself in the screen and it decided to make physical contact with me. So as it hit me and it was a good strike like round this area here, I went back and back then didn't have this tummy. Anyway, it was back then and it pushed me way back, like, you know, four or five, six feet. Anyway, I'm pushed there and I'm trying to figure it out and then I realized it was the demon trying to make itself known to me and it was trying to march me, you know, trying to make fun of what I was doing and trying to, you know, poop it away. And the reason it was able to do that is the demon was not, you know, the image was not 30 days ago. The image was real time like now. And the demon walked through time. Remember I said time and space. They have the ability to do that exactly. They walked through time and space, like 30 days is probably not even a second for them. They could just like walk into another room. And there I am looking and starting at this case and the demonic actually decided to interact with me by trying the number one to scare the daylights out of me. It didn't scare me. It just confused me for, you know, I was taken back. I had to figure out what exactly took place. You know, it took me about 20 seconds to do that. But then after I gathered my thoughts and I realized what actually happened. I contacted the priests and the Philippines. I told them the whole story of what actually happened. And I'm talking on the phone and he's talking on the phone. And we're using a landline, you know? And all of a sudden a third voice comes on the phone. Interesting enough. Now the third voice was very garbled. Had a very garbled voice and decided to call us by our first names. Called me by my first name. - Ron! - And said, "Hey, how would you learn your lesson yet?" No, going, "What the heck, you know?" And I said it and so I said, "Father." So and so. "Is there somebody with you?" He says, "No, you don't blame myself." - Was he hearing it as well? - Yeah, he heard it too. So we're both listening to this thing. And then all of a sudden it kind of like put him through a state of fear and he had to hang up, he hung up the phone. I'm still talking to this thing. And he's telling me about all the events that I was recently involved in in a God's too. Doing assessments, doing rituals. I'm just telling me about these things and telling me that he's been around for some time and he actually goes from one victim to another. And so he knew me for years ago. From years ago. So he just simply like. - Are you having a chance? He's just talking and you're just listening. - He's talking and I'm just listening to him because I'm shocked. He knows about details about my life, what I've done, the people in my team, the people in all of my teams and also things that are totally confidential. In this ministry, everything is confidential. A reason being is the victim has to know that none of their details will ever go out to the public. That's the reason why you don't, you never see a ritual of exorcism take place in front of a camera because it's one of the most terrible, horrifying things a person can go through. It's like being in front of the world and being humiliated, you know. - It's like sometimes they'll film it, right? 'Cause you were talking about one instance that you saw the interview. - That's only for us. That's only so I could see what the interview is. See, I have to make the final determination as to whether or not I feel it's a valid case. And then this is after I receive information from our psychiatrist. They give us, because they're reading this psychological profile. And they're seeing whether or not there are some recognizable signs that may, may, may. to some form of psychosis. They see nothing than they refer the information back to me and then I collaborate with all my other clergy. - In the modern world of exorcism, is there like, is there a LeBron James of exorcist who's just putting up record numbers of exorcisms out there? Like, is there some top dogs that you look at them? I mean, maybe I am already looking at them, but. - That depends who you ask. - Yeah, it just depends who you ask. - Okay, and if you ask someone who actually knows, they probably would give you their best guess. - Yeah, I don't know. - How do you accept payment? Do you do apple pay? Do you accept tips or do you do a free of charge? What is an exorcist charge? - I don't know what the typical person out there is charging. I could tell you what one thing, our organization, and I've trained a couple of hundred priests over the years and I've trained thousands of investigators over the years and we got to our method. And one of the things I make clear to everyone who joins our organization, that they are not to charge a penny. We do everything free of charge. You go to a little website, you'll even see, we make a note of that. And if someone wants to give us a donation, that's fine. But we do not ask for money. And the reason being is there's a biblical text that says, you know, freely given, freely received. And so we try to follow the scriptures very closely. And we do that because we want to be successful. When we do a spiritual ritual, we want to make sure we have God's endorsement. Okay, and to do that, you can't do it if you're charging because then you have other motives. Now there are exorcists, I know this for a fact, I won't name any people, but maybe you know who they are. But there are people that say they're the real exorcist and they charge $1,500 per ritual. $800 for telephone consultation. Oh boy. Wow. And that's what. More than a lawyer. Yeah. Wow. You know, and then, you know, so there are people that charge money, we don't charge. We don't charge anything. And maybe that's why we're still around. You know, it's been almost 49 years now. What's the timeline between like early signs and then you guys determine, okay, this is serious. It's like we need to, we need to. An assessment can take anywhere from a month to three months to even six months. Reason why it takes so long is we're counting on outside agencies. We're counting on physicians that have that busy schedule and they're not getting paid. They're not getting paid to give a psychological report to a third party. That would be us, of course, or anyone else. And so because that, we have to wait on them. Okay, we make our assessment within the first month. We could pretty much tell. We do the investigation. We investigate the individual. We investigate the house because if it's a demonic infestation, we need to know if the house has any history like, let's say, some type of demonic worshiping in the basement or somebody was killed on the premises and invited the spirits or maybe forming black magic, which is a real thing. You always do it in their home. You're not meeting it like a common ground somewhere. It's always in their home. It has to be in their home, especially if they say that they're possessed and they're living in the house. We have to find out if it's a demonic infestation. Right. If it's a demonic possession, which is rare, demonic oppression is very common. In fact, I don't want to scare any of you, but very real in your lifetime. You've probably had some form of demonic oppression that you may not even be aware of. 'Cause it could come in and then slip out, depending on your lifestyle, where you might even be, you might even have a demonic oppression right now. - I think when I was on my vape, my vape era, I definitely was in my demonic moments, for sure. Also, when I was drinking six days a week, I was probably when the demons were really, when they're really nesting in there. - And that's why it's called spirits. - Exactly. - Yes. - Oh, very good. - What do you do after a successful exorcism? Do you go get like drinks after? Do you treat yourself to a nice dinner? Like are you like, who were they who were all, but just another day? - It's interesting. The process before and after is quite different. The process before is we fast for three days. We do nothing, but pray, meditate, and try to focus it on what we're actually doing in the victim. And that's what we do without any outside distractions, no TV, no radio, it's kind of boring. But for three days we do it for self-protection, if anything else. Then when we walk into the time to do the actual ritual, okay, they will do the ritual. And after the ritual, if we're successful, glory to God, we could walk away and we put their names on our list for aftercare. Aftercare is very, very important. I have a good man who's on our podcast, who he's like, he's the guy who's been a minister for 65 years. He's an exorcist. He's done exorcisms in Africa and South America and all over the place. Anyway, he's a really, and of course, our psychiatrist is a famous guy too. We have a lot of interesting people that could answer questions in regards to the darkness. The darkness is very real. If you don't believe me, just turn light off and let's see what happens. You're ready to do that? You want to turn away? - No, I don't know. I love watching these programs, you know, where they're like, they're filming a paranormal group and they walk into a supposedly haunted place and they say, they scream to the top of their lungs, "Hey, demon, if you're here, make yourself known." You know what? If that ever happens, if the demon ever makes himself known, you know, the first people to run out of that house would be all of those investigators because they just don't know what they're dealing with. - You know, and, you know. - Which I have a question about that because it goes to the Ouija boards and the different, like, the ceremonies that people like to hold. I want to ask a question about that because I feel like for people even listening if they've ever played with a Ouija board during a sleepover or whatever, is how serious is it when, like, do you have to be in the right state of mind in order for it to work or can you just pull out the board and just be like, like, mentally, you're making a joke? - Is that an excellent question? - I mean, it's an excellent, excellent question. - Like, YouTube or something, I mean, YouTubers, I'm going to tell you about the Ouija board. - Yeah. - Okay, first of all, you know, it was a game, you know, created a long time ago. - Yeah. - It's basically a piece of cardboard, some symbols on it, you know. Can it open the portal to another dimension? - I'm going to say, yeah. - But you know what? So can a pencil, so can a piece of chewing gum on the wall? It could open up another dimension. Why? - The power is not in the gum or the pencil or even the board, which is a Ouija board. The power is within your mind called the intent. When you intend with your full attention, with if you put your intent, if you intend to contact someone on the other side, it's going to come true. Whether you use a piece of gum, a sticker, or a Ouija board, there's nothing magical. About a Ouija board. The magic is within your mind. Your mind is a powerful instrument. And when you focus in on the Ouija board for the sole intention of creating a portal so the demons can come through, then guess why it's going to happen? - Yeah. - Because it's your intent, the whole key to any type of scenario like that. Whole key is your mind. It's more advanced than any computer that's ever been created. More advanced than AI, I believe it or not. Because of all of its connections, we can do amazing things. Do you know that there have been scientists that have studied this, especially a psychokinesis? You know what that is. Psychokinesis is the ability to move things with your mind. And that's focusing it on something. They've been a lot of great documentaries done in Russia, where they showed you a lady that was just going like this with her hands and pencils on the table just moved and just flew off the table. And this is done in scientific settings where there's no trickery involved. The mind could do amazing things. In the Catholic Church centuries ago, there was a priest that was able to levitate while he was doing a mask. And again, witness by many people. You know, we have the ability to do all so many things. The scientists are still studying the brain and its capability. And we may never know the full capacity of the brain. But if you have one of those life death experiences we talked about earlier, you're closer to actually channeling in on those various parts of your brain where you're able to do amazing things. - Well, so it's interesting to think about. What are your thoughts on ayahuasca? Do you know like the ayahuasca ceremonies? - They're like psychedelics. But that one's like dim. - I feel that people really. - Okay, let me give you my first opinion. My first impression, okay. Anything, anything that is mood-authoring and creates the ability to create things that you would normally see these mood substances. Okay, when that do that, when you do that, Your defenses, your natural defenses are way down. You have no defenses at that point. Some people, even a psychiatry, they call the critical facility in the brain. And that has a lot to do with what's going on when you suppress your defense mechanism. And you do that anything, and I mean everything that's in the spiritual world can go through you. And can even possess you. Best alcoholics I know are pretty good demon possessed suspects because they do crazy things. I've seen someone do really some disgusting things I wouldn't talk about because I don't want you to, you know, have a physical reaction and throw up all over your nice clean guess that would once that's happened. Yeah. So things are happening all the time. Do you think this spiritual warfare, like you said, has been going on since the beginning of time? Do you think it's getting worse? Do you think it's more present today than it used to be? And like, I don't know how many cases you take on a year if those numbers, like we talked about earlier, are increasing. Like how many do you do every year? Like on average. We got to numbers. Nobody really knows. I mean, I could take a gas, but, you know, you know, pick a number, and I'll say, sure, why not? Like do you do like 300 a year or 28 year? I was thinking like 20 like, well, this week, let me put it this week, this past week, I've had four cases. Wow. And then there are weeks. I have no cases. I have 10 cases, 15 cases. And that's only from within my jurisdiction. Right. We have members in our organization to have, they have their own autonomous jurisdictions and other parts of the world. And they may keep their own numbers. Do a priest ever get like possessed or is there like a chance at a priest? It gets us during us. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, for sure. Why? So like, you remember that you're telling us the situation with like little fuzz where the demon like pushed you. Why doesn't it try to, instead of scaring you, like, why doesn't it try to enter? Well, it can't scare us. Okay. It will try to frighten us. Fear is an instrument that's the at the devil will use. The same will use. So we make sure we work on that fear factor and make sure there's no fear there at all. If anything else, things become challenging, but not fearful. So we don't, don't even deal with fear. But, but the, but the answer to your question more directly is, yes, we could get hurt. Physically, I almost lost my life in 2013. And this is documented. I was in the hospital for 30 days. San Antonio Hospital in Upload, California. I was in the middle of a ritual. It was December, did you know? And I had a room full of, uh, investigators with me. I had one priest with me. I'm doing the ritual. And out of nowhere, I was struck three times right here on my left side. This is 2013. I mean, I felt like, it felt like a two by four or a sledgehammer being hit three, three times here. Me and Tim, everyone's watching, you know, everybody is, you know, and I think we even had a camera in the room. But the point is is you could see my body. My body just literally had buckled. And then I had a, a very difficult time breathing. I was like, almost impossible to breathe to catch my breath, um, immediately after the ritual. I had to go to the hospital. And, uh, so I was sent to the hospital under my doctor's, um, advice, um, I was admitted immediately. They found a two-liter sack of blood wrapped around my heart, whoo, right here, right wrapped around my heart. And that's what was preventing me from breathing. And the doctors this day, they can't, they don't understand how I could succumb to that kind of condition. It was in the hospital for 30 days. I was died. But, uh, I guess it wasn't time for me because here I am, unless you're interviewing a ghost, but I assure you I'm not a ghost. So I didn't make it. But yeah, after you got hit the three times, is that when you stopped, you're like, oh, two pain four. Are you just pushed through it and you kept going with the street? I pushed through it. And which almost killed me. Yeah. Um, and I got to tell you, um, the pain never went away. I still have the pain even today. I'm every day I suffer, I suffer physical pain here on my side. It's a residual when you are injured and it, and it's done through unexplainable supernatural events. And something happens to you, it never really heals. You know, you feel the sensation and your fears for the rest of your life. I remember, um, even the, uh, the director of the CDC came to the hospital to see me because they couldn't explain how, uh, how I so come to this. And so, you know, and they put me in isolation. It was really, it was interesting. It's one place I don't like to be in that is, well, it's two places. I don't would not want to be in hell. But I wouldn't want to be in the hospital or me either because it's just bad, you know, yeah, I really have no control over what, what you could do. And, and you know, it's not a good thing, even with a TV set, but I could tell you that one thing, the pain. You feel it ever, forever. Oh, and it's, uh, it never really goes away. Um, so right now I'm a little bit overweight. It's my own indulgent, I guess, uh, I like food. I'm addicted to food. Well, you're skinny. I mean, you know, but, you know, I'm, I'm pretty, pretty big guy. But, um, anyway, that makes me look more intimidating, I think, especially when I go down the Skid Row areas and the hotel, uh, managers and, uh, somebody owners of the hotel would call us because they'd have crazy things happen in these hotels and the, in the Skid Row area. Uh, people would hear banging on the doors and there's no one there or screaming down the hallway. Or things like that. Oh, kinds of stuff. And, and half of those hotels, by the way, I have to tell you are haunted. They have something going on supernaturally. If you're standing across the street from the hotel, a certain time of the day. And sometimes it, it's an evening, early evening. You will see what looks like an image of a transparent person jumping from the top window at the top of the hotel and jumping all with falling all the down to his death all the down, you know, as he's falling. And you see his body transparent body falling down. This is like one of those, yeah, really well. Yeah. You know, as it goes down and it just appears just before it hits the concrete, um, what is that? With some paranormal investigators would call it, uh, well, it's, uh, it's, it's like a, uh, an old tape playing back, you know, uh, I'm sure you may have heard that, you know, and some, and maybe it happened. Well, we know what happened some time and joined the depression. A lot of people jumped off those roofs and high, you know, high, um, windows and so on. And unfortunately, you know, there's an unfortunate time in our lifetime, but that did happen. And people will swear by it. I even have a picture where somebody took a picture of someone jumping out from the top window. It's transparent. I should have brought it actually. Oh, wow. And they caught, they caught actually quite the image you could see the guy. And he has like one, one foot on the ledge of the window. And the rest of his body is like falling off and it's like, it's super cool. Wow. Untouched. And I just have a lot of, we have a lot of stuff like that in terms of if you want to call it evidence, you know, or, or signs of, of something real. Yeah. It sounds like really, yeah, really. Right. Oh, I was going to ask you kind of along the lines of that. Like we've all seen movies that have exorcisms. And us, we have only that to go by, right? Is just a portrayal of what it would be like. Would you say that that is accurate? Or is it nothing like the movies make it out to be? Or like, what's your interpretation of that? Our movies are meant for one thing. And that is entertainment. Right. They're meant for entertainment. And of course, obviously, the better the entertainment and the special effects, you know, the more money comes in. And of course, they all profit from it's great. But the reality has nothing to do with entertainment. In fact, it has more to do with nightmares that people go through in life. The real thing cannot be publicly exposed to the, you know, because it's, there's just some things that you should not know about. And sometimes it's better off that you walk around, live your life with blinders on. Because if you really actually knew what the reality is, in regards to demons, I mean, I could tell you a lot of stories. But, you know, in the detail and the things that are really, people would call gross and horrible. Those things are never portrayed because most of all they're in great detail. They're not known. Everything is done behind closed stores. You know, this is serious. And everybody that investigates, everybody does a pretty good job in just keeping it. What happens when we have new investigators, you know, they, they will, if they are going to last any longer, you know, last reading, length of time, they'll be with us for a week or two. Most of them that will see something supernatural. And they would be scared to death and they'd never returned. A lot of them will simply quit. You know, and maybe they were paranormal. the best case at one time, it quit that because they realize that this is real stuff, horrible stuff. It's night. Again, you're worse nightmare. If you could pitch you a worse nightmare, just picturing that coming to life in your realm of reality. I mean, we're talking about some really scary stuff. Does that show a question like, you know, the exorcist, you know, they have, they even have some tape chords of other real life things. Undering is a pretty good example, too. I feel like they do a pretty scary job of, um, even though we're not paranormal, you know, we don't associate ourselves with the paranormal investigators where we, uh, the big difference is a paranormal investigator will look for haunted locations and try to prove their existence. We wait for the people who have been, uh, victimized by the diabolical forces and they come to us. And in most cases, we're the last, last line of defense, you know, where their last hope. And what will happen is three things. They will either be delivered to the power of God, glory to God. They will not be delivered and wind up in mental institutions after several attempts and we're not successful. The third would be suicide. Suicide is something that occurs quite often at a capacity and demonic oppression. People, um, demons, they, they will not hurt you. They will drive you to hurt yourself. They will make it where circumstances will be, will seem to be so helpless that you'd want to end it, you know, just for, you know, the relief, you know, the, the instant gratification of that is like, uh, so important to a lot of people that are down to their last, um, you know, holding onto their dear life. I feel as bad to say, but I just feel like being forced to be in a mental hospital and that state where you're possessed, I feel like it's so much worse than suicide. Like being just like, you had no help at that point. The doctors are not there to like, help take this demon out of you because that's what you guys do. So they're just like, pretty much brick story. If you like, uh, give you another quick story. Yeah. Okay. Um, and the funny thing about these stories is if anything is kind of a least loose term. Yeah. I think funny about what we're talking about. In fact, if anything, this is, we're talking about agony. We're talking about torture. We're talking about death. Mm-hmm. We're pretty close to it. Um, a group of us, group of priests, we visit a mental institution. Um, and, uh, when we went to the ward, we had a request from a family member who wanted us to go and visit this one patient, and they normally would not allow us to go in unless we had, you know, special permission. So we had a group of us. We went in there and, uh, every person on that ward, uh, as soon as we walked in, just were wearing a Roman collar and we're walking in, you know, with, you know, stuff. And, uh, we walked in there and every one of them stood up, looked directly at us as if it was uniformed. They all, like, went up at one time, like, like that. Um, and they just stared at us as we walked past them. And as they stand, it was like all robotic, you know, it was like going kind of creepy actually. Right. You know what, you know what my life is? My life is, uh, as, uh, in my role for so many years, I feel like I'm in a Stephen King's movie. Yeah. I bet. And, uh, so, you know, and things like that are happening all the time. I mean, even in my own house, I have things moving. Yeah. Um, those kind of things happen all the time. Um, in my place of residence, I have my, I have an office. It's a freestanding building. It's about, it's about two of the yards away from my house, uh, my property and, uh, and in the house are in the office. I, uh, I have transparent doors, you know, French doors and I see spirits all the time. I see dark spirits. I see angels. Every person, every clergyman in our organization will tell you the same stories. We see things that most people don't even know that exist. We see the dark entities. We see the white entities, which are transparent, silhouette of a, um, it's kind of like an outline of like a figure. Yeah. And, uh, I see them all the time, you know, um, fortunately, I haven't seen any here, round here. That's good. Well, good to know. But we have it walked outside of the office. So I mean, maybe, I'd love to know, because I tripped and fell in a hole of poop on my way into the set today. So I feel like somebody might have pushed me into a purpose. Okay. So we have a fun little segment that we want to play with you. It's called heaven or hell, where we're going to pull up different objects or different things. And you just tell us if it's heaven or hell, like yay or nay, thumbs up or thumbs down. Joe, what a day. You know, I'm pretty nice. We'll cut anything. We'll cut anything you don't like. Okay. Heaven or hell. Okay. Here's a big screen here. Tell the marketers. Uh, definitely, uh, down. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, down. I don't answer. Dark temptation. Oh, that's down. Eggs. Now that's also down. Oh, what about a lot of reasons for that, too. By the way, I can go into that. What about devil? You heard of, I was going to say that. That's exactly what's going to say. Okay. Angel hairpaws. Yeah. Fairly up. Oh, I love some angel hairpaws. What's not to like secret angels? I love angels. All right. Time Square. Oh, I know it. Well, oh, that's definitely a, oh, that's like a, you ever heard of purgatory? It's the end between. Yeah. Great description of that. Mr. Beast. I don't even know the guy, but I guess he's okay. I don't know. That's good teeth anyway. Labubus. I don't know who they are either. They could be demons. I don't know. They turn people, they turn people into demons. I can say that. Okay. Yeah. That's not a good thing. Okay. Go down on that. Do you sure? Well, if I, if I gave a thumbs down the producer of Jersey Shore Entertainment would probably drown at me. So I kept, I have to give it a thumbs up. All right. I give it a thumbs up too. Raggedy in. Don't know where. Well, it's actually in. I've heard really bad things about this. Only fans. I'm open to everyone. So, all right. Very good. All right. Good. Starbucks too expensive. Vegas. Sin City. I have been there many of times. I'm going to give it a definitely a thumbs down. Okay. Okay. It's a dark city for sure. Yeah, there's too much temptation there. Oh, yeah. Very true. Mountain Dew Baha Blast. Oh, you see that? That's a tough one. That's a really tough one. I like the bottles because they're facing heaven. So it's like they're pointing in acknowledging. I like it for that reason. There you go. There you go. Disney World. I've been there too. To me, that's could be Sin City. I feel darkness. Paris Hilton. Again, I don't know her, but she is pretty hair. She's had quite the comeback. Okay. Brussels sprouts. Definitely a downer. Yeah. Okay. I agree. Hell, for sure. Absolutely not. All right, that's all we had. That's all we had. We're awesome. We're like, what's this reaction you're going to be like? We just below these pictures. We're going to even say heaven or hell. Really funny. Well, Ronald, thank you so much for coming on. You have a podcast as well. Would you like to promote it? Tell the people where they can find it. Sure. It's an interesting podcast. I call it the best show on earth. No, it fans. Yeah. No, because because I've seen your show too and it seems like you have a lot of fans. Oh my gosh. Talk about popularity. Is it your personality or just just your equipment? I don't know what it is. It can be both. It's a combo of both. These people have been with us for a long time. Yeah. We've been doing this for seven years. And the name of your podcast is it's the unseen room. Okay. And you could be seeing every Saturday. It's a weekly podcast at three o'clock p.m. Pacific Standard Time. We're seeing worldwide. And audio and video. Yes. Audio and video. You can even see our crazy faces. And most of all, you know, and we, you know, I tried to make it a little bit humorous too because, you know, humor is a good way to desensitize, you know, the, the ugliness that's in the world. I agree. So it's, it's a good thing. All right. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. Yeah. We love having you. And yeah, that's it. You're very welcome. Thank you.