Decorating the Set (Interview with Tracey Baker-Simmons!)

[MUSIC] Welcome to Decorating the Set from Hollywood to Your Home with your hosts, Beth Kushnick and Caroline Daley. [MUSIC] Welcome back to Decorating the Set from Hollywood to Your Home. This is Caroline and with me as always is Beth Kushnick. Hey, Beth. Hi, Caroline. This is the season six finale. We always seem to look out with you having a great and interesting job just as summer is beginning. It always gives us something fun to talk about in these big finale episodes. And this year is no different. So tell us about your first reality TV gig, Nelly and Ashanti, we belong together, premiering this June on Peacock. How'd you get this job? Well, as we have discussed this season, mostly the film and television industry has been going through many changes in the last year. And thankfully, that has given me some opportunities to pivot. And after many years in the industry, a chance for another first working on a reality show. Nelly and Ashanti, we belong together, is an eight episode reality series that will follow the couple as they navigate their first year of marriage, parenthood, and their busy music careers. I actually got this job through the work I do staging one thing led to another. We weren't sure if it was just for the show or if it was more a combination of the show and a place for them to live, one thing led to another. And I ended up having this opportunity really because I had the experience that I do in the film business and I combined both. So it worked out perfectly. That's so fascinating. So they were actually going to live in the home that you were also doing for the show? Yeah, initially, but lots of things change. You know, reality TV is not so much script-based, but reality or life-based. So things are very quick and gotta adapt. So it was always, right? Yeah, it was a really interesting test for me. Well, I love that. And our season six finale guest is the executive producer of We Belong Together, Tracy Baker Simmons. Tell us a little bit about Tracy while you wanted to have her on the show for our listeners. Well, she's got amazing credentials. Tracy is a 25-year-plus entertainment industry veteran, a seasoned television producer, and one of the pioneers of reality television. She created the hit series, "Being Bobby Brown", starring Whitney Houston and Bobby Brown. She's transitioned to making development of content her main focus while still serving as an executive producer on immensely popular reality shows. She recently was the executive producer and director for the hip-hop series, "Hip-hop Treasures", starring LL Cool J and Ice T, the Hulu series, "The Conversations" project, as well as a woman in hip-hop doc series. Tracy has worked with networks such as Showtime Bravo Own, MTV VH1 Lifetime, BET, and Hulu. She's all about the hustle and never stops working. She's truly an expert in packaging, selling, and producing reality television. So my first experience was with the top of the industry. That's amazing. I mean, what an impressive resume. She's definitely someone to be admired in this industry. So listeners, we're going to dig into our season 6 finale interview with Tracy Baker Simmons. Joining us today is Tracy Baker Simmons, a groundbreaking pioneer of reality television and co-executive producer on the upcoming Peacock reality series, "Nellie and Ashanti, We Belong Together". Tracy, thank you so much for joining us today. Thank you for having me. So Tracy, before we get into "Nellie and Ashanti" and your work in reality television, take us back to how you got started in the business. We have a lot of listeners who are always curious about how people get into the industry and any tips and advice you have for along the way. Oh wow. Over 30 years, or something like that, I use, I gauge it by how old my son is. But basically I started in music videos in commercial. I mean, I initially started in the music industry and then actually when I got pregnant with my son, I realized that wasn't going to be sustainable as a parent or even as a pregnant woman to be running around promoting records and going to clubs and all of that. So some directors reached out to me because they actually wanted to have someone help them connect with artists to do music videos. And so that led me into doing music videos in commercials. Honestly, I did that for quite a bit of time, almost like what, about seven years, six, seven years. And then I did an independent film, which was always the dream. The dream was music videos commercials and then segue into film and scripted television. Or at that point, it was only called television because there was not really reality television. The good old days. Yeah, the good old days. And then reality start to happen and that was real world. And even with that, you still thought like, oh, okay, I guess this thing is going to be happening where people are going to be put together, like in almost like a science experiment type of way. And then there was the Osborne. And when I saw them, I had just moved back to Atlanta and I had been seeing Bobby and Whitney on television. And I, you know, was like, hey, they should do a reality show. Yes. My thoughts once have a reality show. And that segwayed me into the non scripted/reality space. You know, this year actually marks the 20 year anniversary of that show July 1st or June 30th actually with the 20 year anniversary of that show airing on Bravo. Wow. Wow. So for listeners in 2005, being Bobby Brown premiered on Bravo. And it feels like reality TV kind of changed forever after that. How did that show come together? And did you know Whitney or Bobby beforehand? I did not. You weren't best friends. That was not best friends. They did not know my name. Honestly, it stemmed from me watching them on the news and feeling like first out, observing the fact that they really were not camera shy. They weren't annoyed. They weren't angry with the cameras in their face. And just feeling like there was something entertaining, but then that I had this curiosity and my producing partner at the time, just like, why does Whitney Houston like him? If the news or the media is telling us he's so bad, right? And he had a persona like, you know, a bad boy, but, you know, and so honestly, that curiosity almost childlike led us to say, I wonder if we could play this game of six degrees of separation and be able to link with him because they live in Atlanta. We live in Atlanta. The land is not that big, especially not at the time. And we honestly, you know, we're talking to an investor that we had been talking with about projects in general. And they got us a connect to a guy who said he was his spiritual advisor. And we met with him. He introduced us to the brother two degrees. Here we go. And then the brother takes us to Bobby or actually puts us with Bobby like we were able to do a call with him because he happened to be in jail at the time. Oh, wow. That's going to be a challenge, developing a television show like that. Well, we were feeling as if he definitely would be getting out soon or so we heard. Right. And we know it takes some time to have these conversations and he did abruptly get released from prison. Right. We wasn't even in prison. He was in jail. Okay. There's a difference. So he was in jail. He got released from jail. But then he got shipped to Boston and arrested again. So I think I had a panic. I had a panic. Like, what is happening? And this is like a month of time, I think, that we have been discussing this with him. When he got to Boston, his brother said, calm down. Everything's going to be fine. I'm freaking out. No, I thought he was supposed to get out of jail. He was supposed to have a meeting and he said, no, he's going to be out. And honestly, he got out the next day and he got on the phone with me and he said, hey, you want to make a reality show with me? And I said, yes. And he said, okay, we'll bring the cameras. Let's go. Let's start now. Wow. He literally missed it. And we literally did it. That's amazing. That's amazing. Looking back on that experience, what do you remember as like standing out as like the, the sort of like, I don't know, the big takeaways out of that show, especially now 20 years later, having another reality show. What do you feel like you learned from that? I learned that entertainers are just that entertaining and they have the ability to be entertaining when they need to be a bit more than people who don't do that for a living. I think a lot of times people made assumptions about that show or about their state of mind, but I think that they just didn't understand that no, no, they're entertainers. And I will say comparing doing that show and doing Nellie and Ashanti recently, when we did Bobby and Whitney, I also learned their musicians. If two musicians are together, their language, not even just their love language, but their language with each other is often melodies or from from some song in their head. So smart. And honestly, it was the same with Nellie and Ashanti and it was so funny, but so real, you know, so I learned that and I learned that they can be warm and fun and you probably more than likely most people are not really what the labels or other people have built this persona around them. Like at the core of their human beings, just like the rest of us, and honestly, they can be really good people to be around. Well, I'm so glad you brought up Nellie and Ashanti because of course that's what our listeners want to hear all about. So tell us about Nellie and Ashanti, we belong together. What do people need to know before they're tuning into peacock to watch? What do you want them to be coming, expecting the show to be? A breath of fresh air. Yeah, I think it's different. It's a love story. It's two people who, you know, were broken up for years and got back together, found their way back to each other and they have a real connection because they vowed and probably never to speak to each other again. And then here they are and we dropped these cameras into their first year of marriage and a new baby and sorting how to have life together. But we took the route of how do you just give people a breath of fresh air because we have so much going on in the world. It is so much drama every day. Somebody's dropping some crazy something happening that it's just like, it gives you like, you don't want to, you're like fight or flight. And this show is none of that. It's none of the regular drama of any of that. It literally is two people in love, young lady who's having a baby later in life and so in love with her baby, so in love with her man and just having fun together and figuring out what the heck it all means to be two superstars in love with each other. That sounds amazing. Beth, I want to turn the conversation to you for a moment. Nellie and Ashante was the first time for you working in reality television. How is this experience and how is it different from the scripted shows that you're so used to doing? It was really an unusual experience for me because for 30 plus years, the script is my Bible. I started job on TV job breaking down the script and we always use that as our focus. I think just what Tracy sang in order to capture the true essence of Nellie and Ashante deep in their love story, it's just a different experience. When you're shooting a reality show, the schedule is a bit more dependent on the subject, whatever else as entertainers they have to do, whatever Ashante was a first-time mother. So there's a lot of a super quick turnaround, but the main difference is kind of flying without a script and always, you know, as I do for many years being adaptable to a lot of changes. It's a much smaller crew, so it makes for a really nice cohesive team. You're really involved in capturing every moment of their lives as it happens. So that was a different aspect for me and something that I walked away learning from the experience. So normally, but I know we talk about this a lot on our episodes. You would sit down and break down a character and try to figure out what their likes and dislikes are or how are you going to visually depict their personality on screen. This is for both you and Tracy. Was there a conversation with Nellie and Ashante or even with just with Tracy about like who are Nellie and Ashante? How are we going to show who they are on the screen? Well, we had more conversations I did with Tracy and with the co-executive producer and director OG, but it was really nice because Ashante contributed some items. Some of the things that you see is dressing behind them were from her personal collection. And I just think that we all knew who they were to a point that we wanted to create this atmosphere for them. And it's all very practical shot, very close up. You know, you're not seeing establishing shots of a room. You know, it's all really about them and just expressing that fun and that joy that they have together, which is very obvious for anyone spending any time around them. So Tracy, for you, I mean, again, being a reality show, you have to kind of align of, you know, showing who these people's lives are. But also, of course, respecting the fact that they have their personal lives, their personal schedules. I'd bring a new baby. I can't even imagine. We're all moms on this on this podcast. And I can't imagine someone putting a camera near me while I was learning how to be a mom. So how did you balance that where you're showing the audience enough, but you're not invading too much privacy? It's just like mutual respect for people in general. Again, treating people like human beings and not, you know, oh, you're a talent. You just do what we say or we have the right to be wherever we want. Honestly, I think that that helped us with Ashanti and Nelly. Nelly is Southern and he's more friendly in general, but Ashanti is a New Yorker. And she's guarded. And honestly, by us coming in and being very respectful of space, time, everything, it allowed her to actually get real comfortable with us really quickly, but knowing that we would respect whatever parameters and boundaries. And if she wanted us to be able to film certain things with her child or not, you have to show up saying, I am going to honor and respect these individuals and their personal space. And it is an honor to be able to be in their space and allow them to share their space. And that you really need to allow them to help you navigate exactly what will be seen and shared. Even taking into consideration their schedule, you know, it was more convenient for them to start shooting later in the day. And it really ended up helping us, you know, because if something had to shift or get done, we had the work day as prep. And then the evening was more devoted to shooting. That's true, definitely. Tracy, you have extensive credentials and work with some industry greats. Tell us your favorite part of the job. What drives you? My favorite part is like being able to peel the onion, you know, like there is no greater compliment than when people say to me, you really got to know who Bobby was. And I know they're even with this new series. I think people will say they feel they already know Nelly. He did a reality show before he was on the husbands, but they're going to say, oh wow, you guys should really get to see Ashanti, like what really makes her tick and see her being this mom and a wife and being proud of that space. So for me, the biggest part is really being able to do something with people and allow them the space and also trusting me to allow us to show sides of them that people would not normally see and knowing that those types of situations only come when you build trust. And that's a big deal for me, like if I say yes, no, whatever I tell you, that's the answer. It's going to be that and if it's changing, we're having a conversation about it, but trust is a big deal is a big factor for me. And I really, really take a lot of pride in earning someone's trust and honoring it. That is very evident, you know, it's like you have this gut instinct and you in my observation of that one job that we do together, you know, have such a big picture of you while everything's going on because it is a multifaceted job to handle the talent and their schedule, their personality and all of that, but to also be able to put that into effect with the crew. And even though it's a small crew and it's a tight space, it requires a lot of finesse. Is there any artist that you want to work with that you haven't yet? Oh, let me say, who have I not worked? We're manifesting dreams right now. Yeah, like I would say, like I would love to do something with like a future or Nicki Minaj, right? But I feel like those people are very complex characters. So it may not be as enjoyable, but it would be fascinating, right? Yeah, so I just think I think like fortunately or unfortunately, whoever you put in my space, I figure out how to sort it and to really get into the layers. So I don't have like, oh, I have this big wishes that I have to do this. It's more like my wish list is that a great piece of talent comes and we're able to connect and I'm able to continue to tell great stories. I do like real stories. Even if I do like biopics, I love docs. I love non scripted. I love the scripted space, but I also even in that, I want to make sure that there's real story and real human context to anything I do, even in that space. Like, just I am in love with mankind and just the idea of all of us being human and just really allowing us to share our stories so that we can connect on a human level and understand that we all have shared experiences. What a great thing to take from our season finale. Yeah, you need to put that on a t-shirt. Right? Like, I am in love with mankind is a beautiful sentiment that I don't think we ever hear. We hear a whole lot of what people don't like about other people, but that's amazing, especially I think in the industry, things can be so difficult these days and it's changing so very much. We have a lot of young people listening who want to get into the business and this is a question for both you and Beth, how do you see people being able to come into the industry now, especially with different things that we have scripted TV. We have unscripted TV. Do you have any recommendations for those listeners who are younger or brand new and they would love to try to do something that you guys are doing? What kind of advice could you give them? Well, one watch, whatever it is, if you want to be making movies, watch a bunch of movies. If you want to be making television, watch a lot of television and honestly, just listen to yourself. What's resonating with you? Like, what is it that you're, oh my god, I wish I could do that. I wish my name was right there on that screen and then really sort of path towards connecting with people in that particular part of the industry, being a fly on the wall. I hate that the whole internship thing has gotten to a place where it's hard to get those because I feel like internships were like the best thing ever, especially in our industry because people got to really have a full scope of what was happening and then decide what area they wanted to be a part of. And a lot of times now you can't have interns unless they're getting paid and just all these rules and regulations that's taking that out of it. But I would say don't be afraid to read out to people on social LinkedIn or social media and just ask to buy them a cup of coffee. And if they live in another city, just say, you know, a virtual Starbucks card or something for them to give you 30 minutes of time to give you some advice or just say it's possible. You know, I think the biggest thing for me was just look, I didn't grow up thinking I was going to be in this industry. And when I went to Atlanta and stumbled myself into one of brothers literally, I felt ignited by just the way that it works and how people get to be creative and how their creative expression is actually a job or yields an income and then decided it was something that I wanted to be a part of and that it was possible because there were other people that were doing it that looked like me that came from, you know, humble beginnings like myself. So I think the biggest thing is it's possible. It really is possible. Beth, you, I know just had a really recent experience, basically exactly what Tracy was just talking about with a listener reaching out to you. I have right now a mentor to someone who's been communicating with me for almost two years, I think. And someone else who recently reached out and also through the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences, more of an official mentor. The one thing that I can tell you about all three of these people, they were very directed in what they thought they wanted to be a set decorator. Because of the industry changing right now, I would say the best advice that I've given them is to be really flexible, you know, and not reach and hold yourself as a set decorator. When you think about it, changing your LinkedIn profile that maybe doesn't have the term set decorator first, because that's a really hard job to find kind of in the real world of LinkedIn, but designer may be a different, more open title to bring you different things. All these students who are graduating film school and coming into an industry that really doesn't exist in the same way, there are ways that you have to learn how to be adaptable. I think now more than ever, there seems to be a time when there was more opportunity, but I think in the business recreating itself between YouTube and all different kinds of content creation, if you find yourself in it and you want to be in it, it may not be what you thought it would be, but I agree completely with Tracy, reach out to people and try to be adaptable. It may not go the way you have it in mind, like your first job is not going to be as a director, but, you know, my theory is I say yes to everything. That theory has me a little nerve-wracked right now because five things I've said yes to. You guys have at least three jobs going right now. Yeah, they're all coming in at the same time, but it always works out. It always works out. And one thing leads to another and, you know, keep making connections. That's the most important thing. And as Tracy says, be human. That's really important. Yes, and listeners, Tracy's story of like saying, like, you know, invites someone out to a coffee that literally happened to you, Beth, like a listener literally asked to take you out and you did and you sat with them and talked with them. And so, you know, people are reachable. Potentially she's going to be working with me on one of those jobs. Oh my gosh, you guys can you imagine Tracy, you reach someone, if you were a young person reaching out and you actually get to do the job with the person, amazing, amazing. Yeah, but that's that's how it works. So it can happen or if you don't get to work with that person, I have plenty of interns that I recommend it to other people. So either way, they were positioned and really it is about positioning in this industry. I feel like although we don't have internships, people still have a bigger advantage because you can reach out to people that you normally would have to who knows to get in contact with people. But now you can go on the internet and you can look up on LinkedIn or Instagram or Facebook and look at people whose names you've seen on IMDB or on television and look to see, can I get in contact with this person? And it's more feasible and possible because we have the white pages, we have phone books that I know email. We talk about that all the time right and pages and all the old stuff. Tracy, we know that you're very committed to education and giving back. Can you talk to us a little bit about your time teaching in Emory and with as busy as you are, how you you find the time to give back? Oh my goodness. I mean, honestly, I wanted to go to Emory and my parents just couldn't afford it. So it was a dream come true for me to be able to teach there. It was interesting because I taught at the business school, but I taught the business of producing. I actually am a business student. I graduated with a degree in marketing and finance. So I didn't go to film school either. And the dean there thought that that would be a good segue because they did have kids in the business school who were interested in film or interested in producing, but just didn't see a path. And for me, it was also a way to help them to understand that even if you didn't become a filmmaker or a producer, the things that you learn in the process of understanding what we do as producers, it can go anywhere because you're learning to take an idea and really give it life on paper first and then decide exactly what the pieces are put together a sales pitch or deck. So when we're pitching a show, we're selling and learn to close a buyer, whether you're closing a studio or you're closing someone who sells cars or someone who's selling pharmaceuticals. So basically it really was about bringing ideas to life because that's what we do in our work, but it also translates over to other industries. It's really fascinating because right now in the industry with so many people unemployed and having a hard time because the industry has contracted so much. My friends who are the most successful with their pivot are the ones who can literally take what you were teaching from a business standpoint and we apply it to another position, whether it's as a graphic designer or me as a self-decorator or a producer or a production coordinator who has great organizational skills and when people now who've worked for years in the industry get that concept right in their presentation of who they are now, they're the ones who are finding work outside of the film and TV industry. I agree. I agree. Yeah, I've seen producers go into working for events, doing big events or to be honest, the podcasts were all considered to grow. It's growing. Yeah, it is. It's a growing industry. I mean, I saw something about it. It was like billions of dollars last year and it's similar producing skills. I helped a friend of mine create a podcast called Innings of Life and literally I was just like, oh, it's just like producing. We have your stories. Here's how we're going to do it. This is the format you're going with and we're going to do these recordings as the interviews and these skills definitely transcend. Yes. So Tracy, we were talking a little bit about social media and people being able to reach out now to people in the industry. You have a really great recurring feature on your Instagram of what am I watching this week and your post for TV decoded. So can you tell us a little bit about TV decoded and what it means and what people can expect? So I came into the industry knowing nothing about it because I didn't go to film school and I didn't. I'm from Tennessee, like Chattanooga, Tennessee, if you've ever even heard of it. And I was a college in Memphis. So honestly, I learned how to produce. I taught myself how to produce, to be honest. And it's the only job I've ever done as being a producer. But I wanted a space where I was teaching others exactly what I know, what I've learned. But then also just giving them other information because the industry is changing so fast right now. And people may not even know, you know, what publications should we be reading or what's next. So I just decided I wanted to create this space that demystifies everything. But it's also just a space where I'm sharing what I'm learning and what I have learned to help others continue to realize this dream. Because and as much as it's changing, I don't think it's dying or going away. And I still want to, you know, I'm hoping that we don't give up on it. And I want to see other people realize the dream of being a part of it. Well, Tracy, what are some of the things that you're watching right now that you'd recommend? And do you love summertime TV? Because that's something that we've been talking about a whole lot. Like there's a whole bunch that are coming out that were like, oh, this is just such good popcorn TV where you can like sit back, cozy on your couch. You can even like turn your brain off for a little bit and just enjoy, you know, just some pure entertainment. So what are you watching right now? I'm watching the NBA finals, of course, because on the sports, it's like the real least thing on television, right? Yes. Yes. Or at least we hope. I don't want anyone to ruin my fantasy of believing this sports is real, you know. So yes, do not ruin the fantasy. And I watch all sports. I like it honestly. So I'm watching the NBA finals. I'm getting ready for the draft, the NBA draft. I'm excited about it. I can't wait to see what's going to be happening this year's NFL. And then on the reality front, I am obsessed. And when I say I'll say I'm obsessed with secret lives of warm and wise guys. Oh my gosh. Are you making the drinks? Are you making those sodas? I am not making those sodas. I am freaking out. Oh my gosh. Yes. Oh my gosh. I am going. Girls, you're going to have diabetes. Yes. Yes. Oh my gosh. Just get a cup of coffee, get a cup of coffee. So listen, we haven't had good reality TV like that in a while. Sorry people. But that's some good reality TV. And I'm sure it's produced. But I don't care. It is a world that I am happy to enjoy discussion. You're suspending all beliefs for it. Yes. Yes. Although those sodas are a real thing. Those sodas are not crazy. Oh yes. Yes. So I'm watching that. I love mob stuff. And I just binge watch mob land. Oh yes. Which was really, really good. And so well done. I can't believe I waited this late to watch it. I watch, you know, Godfather Harlem. Tyler Perry has a new series called She the People. And Terry Vaughan is a friend of mine. So I'm excited about her show. I watch a lot of YouTube unfortunately or fortunately. And I am watching The Diddy Trial. Yeah. Come on. Oh, aren't we all apart? We've got to know we can be in the middle of a series family conversation. And my Citroë will be like Caroline have to ask you. Okay. A freak off is what I'm like, Kim Wood. We're in. Yeah. Like it's pressing business. We all understand. Yes. And I'm looking forward to I think Saturday night, what? Good night. And good luck is going to be on. Right. And live performance. Yes. Yes. So I will be watching that because that'll be a first. And I'm excited to see what it, you know, what that means. I just watch bonos, surrender stories, which was very uniquely done. And I am developing a one-woman show with to be named in a later date artist. And so I'm excited that just I was excited to see how that was crafted. Well, you have to come back and reveal who that artist is. Yes. Yes. We're almost out of time. But I'd be remiss if I didn't give a shout out. And we belong together. We had a fantastic director and co-producer OG Singletary. Yeah. He was a marvel for me. And it was after 30 plus years in the industry, just a whole different experience. I'm really grateful to you and to OG and to the location manager, Kimberly Thornton. You guys put me through my paces. It was quick. And I'm thrilled to have had the opportunity to work with such a great team. Well, we appreciate you. You deliver it. You tell us all the obstacles and then you still deliver it. Oh my god. We were like, oh my god. Listen, I'm getting myself together. Some set decorating. And I'm hoping people will be binge watching. Oh yeah, definitely together this summer. It's coming out later this month. And I'm excited to see is this funny. We work as a field. And I see some of the cuts, but then when it starts to get to the end, because we've already wrapped up the show, we're not necessarily seen it. So honestly, I get to watch it like a fan. Yeah. And I'm excited about that. That's amazing. Well, Tracy, before we let you go, what are some other projects you're working on or anything we can have our listeners keep an eye out for? I'm in development on quite a few things. So I'll come back as soon as some things could be announced. Oh, that would be wonderful. But I am. Yeah, I'm in development on two documentaries and actually a couple of scripted series. So Tracy, thank you so much for joining us. If people want to follow you on the internet or social media, where can they find you? I am T Baker Simmons on most platforms and I am Tracy Baker Simmons on LinkedIn and Facebook. But like on subset, that's I have my platform there now with TV to code it. And we just put I just published our first newsletter. And then on Instagram, which is where you can find all the did you know nuggets and find out what I'm watching each week. And then I am on blue sky, but that is active right now because I'm really focusing on getting everything aggregated to subset. And I do article on LinkedIn every week as well breaking down something important that's happening or relevant that's happening in the industry each week. There are definitely things to get weekly from Tracy. I I recommend you join all of them follow all of them. It's so great to have someone out there that has reliable content. And all of it, whether you're a pro in the business or you're new to the business, it's something that you want to see. Tracy, we appreciate your time. You have been amazing. We thank you so much for joining us. Listeners, please make sure you head over to Tracy's website. Check out her Insta. Of course, we expect you to tune in to Nellie and Ashanti. We belong together, premiering this month on peacock. Please send us any kind of messages. Let us know what you think. I'm sure Tracy wants to know what you think. So give us all your feedback. We want to hear all about it. Thanks so much, Tracy. We really appreciate your time today. Oh, thank you. Thank you. What an insightful conversation. I'm truly grateful to Tracy for joining us. And check out her website, Tracy Baker Simmons dot com and follow Tracy on Instagram at T Baker Simmons. And of course, don't miss Nellie and Ashanti. We belong together on peacock. Before we say goodbye for the season, tell us what's going on with you right now with your Amazon store. What are you featuring and anything we need to know about upcoming projects? Well, my Amazon store, which was the topic of last week's podcast, can be seen at Amazon.com/shop/bethkushnik. Before I go, I would like to thank our listeners for the great communication this season. Thank you for downloading the podcast, for sending me your DMs filled with decor questions and for all of your support both in the States and internationally. While we're taking a break from season six, waiting for season seven, you can still reach me through my website. And we'll have much more next season. My website is bethkushnik.com. 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