Debating Dynasty WR Tiers for 2026 + Car Launching - Dynasty Fantasy Football

[music] Welcome to the Fantasy Footmuller's Dynasty Podcast with Borg Bets in the Baller. [music] Welcome back! [music] The Ishtelai 8 here in the Fins Footmuller's Dynasty Podcast. I'm your host, Cobb Organani. I'm joined by Matthew Bets. And Mike Wright. That man is back. What's up, party people? Mike, how's the occasion, dude? We missed you. Dude, it was very needed. Your boy was burnt, burnt out. Visited the final frontier of Alaska. Beautiful. Just making sure we still have that part of our territory? Yes, you know it. Yeah, I know it. When he was there. It's still belongs to the great US of A. All Canadians were growing kicked. Just you. I didn't meet any. I didn't run into any Canadians. All of them in a line. It's like a mic. What are you doing over here? This is America. Nice. I'm glad you're making sure that that's still part of what we do here in the US of A. That's right. Were you there on the 14th of July? I was. I was. So I was still in. But barely. Okay. I mean, it's just what, like what's going on up there? Why are. It's not connected. And it's like, oh, why? Okay, it's an island. Puerto Rico is a territory. But the last one was just like gigantic. And we were like, give me that. Need it. Get it. Give me that. I've got a lot of hold on. There's gold in them. There hills. Give me that. I tried to explain that to my kids. You know, just showing them on a map. I was like, this over here, that's ours. That that place right there. Because he also it's also it's way bigger. Like the maps are maps restored it. It's crazy big. That's cool. The whole family did they like it? They did. We had a good good time saw some moose. Mr. Cool. Is that singular or plural? I can't tell. It is both. Yes. We saw some mama moose with their babies. Those those good time saw bald eagle. Beautiful. Majestic. Flying just just freedom everywhere. America. Man, you felt even more American than us. What we did just shoot off stuff in the south and sweater butts off. But yeah, and that's the a a wild thing about Alaska. Because right now the sun doesn't go down. So like when you're out at midnight, it looks not unlike a regular six to PM. It's just like, oh, well, the sun is still up. Which means no darkness, which means no fireworks. So that's not really a thing up there. However, we found out we didn't get to see it because we learned about it too late. Apparently there's an area of Alaska where they just launch cars off a cliff. Wow. Now that is American. That's what they do instead of fireworks. They just take beaters and they'll launch them. That can be that can be fun. I don't mean it's just it's really funny because Alaska like nectar, you know, it's the last frontier. It's very environmental up there. Like we got to make sure the animals have the proper space and everything. And they're like, yeah, but what if we launch cars off of a cliff? There's no regulations for that. Just go for it. It's it's a wild place up there. Our Alaskan listeners right now are like, yeah, that's us. That's who we are. Yeah, they were all at the car launch. There's waving their American flags. Yeah, it's a wild crossover between dynasty, phantasmopal and Alaskan listeners launching cars. Great subset. We're finding me to live in a place where it's either just all sun all the time or it's just darkness. And people got there and humans got there and they're like, yeah, this is the place for me. It's weird. Yeah, I mean, even I tell people that all the time about Phoenix. I was like, I don't know if this place was supposed to be inhabited. No, no, no, no. No, Phoenix was the people on the way to get gold in California. They quit. Like, well, it's good enough. It's fine. Whatever. We'll we'll just try to survive here and tell everybody else about it. On this episode, we are going to be debating dynasty wide receivers. I've kind of looked at our dynasty rankings, combed through them again after the NFL draft after a couple of months and tried to put them into tears. And so I'm going to kind of debate that with you guys. You can call me out if you want. But at the end of the day, we're going to call out Mike's or his rankings and Andy's rankings and Jay's ranking. So they're the ones that you can point to. They're the ones that you can bring the pitch forks for if you want to. But try to tear them out. See if you guys agree or disagree. And then I see you kept one player inside of tier six. You could have been rude and moved them down to tier seven. But you didn't you didn't want the mob coming. We'll talk about it. We'll talk about it. Yeah, I mean, it was I was kind of being nice for you guys sick. Yeah, I know. That's fine. So we'll talk about those. We do have something in the ultimate draft kit that just went live as we turned the calendar to July. It is the draft analyzer. So if you want to take a look at your dynasty team, you can make sure to get any Mike and Jason Scraves kind of see your weakness compared to the rest of the league. How it kind of lines up in some areas you could probably look at. I know last couple of weeks, we've talked about dynasty benches and the way that you can kind of make some trades with the last couple of weeks to kind of move things. So I've actually looked at a couple of my teams and one of my teams is in our Dino Junior League that I've gone from like last year. I think I was 11th or 12th in the grades. I'm like middle of the pack now. I'm like moving up. No, my bench is terrible. Terrible bench grade. But my starters are actually looking up. Love that Kyle. Hang the banner. Put it in the draft analyzer. Hang the banner middle of the pack. That's exactly where you want to be in dynasty. You've said it for years in this show. If you're a middle of the pack, you're in the right spot. So good job, dude. I think we said if you're in the pack, you could compete, which is not something I could say for a while. But also on a recent episode, we did talk about the fact that on that team, Rico Dattle is your RB1. So I'm sure the draft analyzer told you, "Hey, buddy, get some running backs." Yeah, yeah, it wasn't great. So ultimatedraftkit.com, if you want to look at the draft analyzer, it's just updated. It's also an app. And then one more little plug here, we got to give about the Megalos show. And little is probably the wrong word to use, Mike. It should be a big one. It is mega. It's about as mega as it can possibly get it. It is the Fantasy Footballers Live. It's the Megalos show. It's presented by Sirius XM and sponsored by GMC and PetSmart. It's all going down Friday, August 28th at the Van Buren in Phoenix, Arizona. Tickets are. There's still some available. Look, every ticket is great. I can tell you, from first person experience, I've been to many shows at the Van Buren, including podcast recordings. It's great. It's a great space. But tickets are moving if you want to get in ballerslive.com. And fun fact, bets that I will be there as well. So we're going to get a lot of people from our footballers crew, a lot of people that are foot-clan members. So it should be a really, really good time. And I feel like this is in Phoenix. This will be like the biggest Phoenix show we've ever done. Oh, by far. Yeah. All right. Moving on. Dynasty Rankings. So we're going to look at these different tiers that I've found using our rankings in the Dynasty pass. But before we do that, I just want to get y'all's opinions about Dynasty tiers. Because it's a little different than how we stat out players in the ultimate draft kit. Yes it is. Because in the draft kit, we have the projections. You can see the point projections. You can see like here's a gap. I feel like for Dynasty, we are guessing for a lot of players about generally where the cutoff area is. When maybe it's not a huge difference or it's different league to league or Betts and I talked about this last week. Like the team that has JSN right now is probably jumping for joy. But there might be people out there that have JSN and their team stink. And so the context of their team with JSN is very different than if you're a contender with JSN. And I bring him up because a year ago, he was right around wide receiver 12 if we're looking at Dynasty value. And now he's seen as universally a top three wide receiver in Dynasty. On the other end of the spectrum, if you would have teared out these players a year ago, Brian Thomas Jr. would have been one of the first players we talked about. Oof. Yes, the joy goes. If you would have traded those two players, like nobody would have done that trade a year ago. No. You would have got JSN plus for Brian Thomas. Yeah, the tears are hard because in Redraft, like Kyle said, it's about the points. It's we can see where the projections are telling us there is value to be extracted or players that we're going to avoid at 80 p because we just don't think they're worth it. Tears in Dynasty are like, they're very markets, which like we say it. Dynasty, fantasy football is a market-based game. Everything is public sentiment. One thing, once you're in season and you're starting to get points of things like that, things can be. change around, but it's very difficult to, because you're projecting long term and guys like Brian Thomas and Marv. Like Marvin Harris, did you, these, these are players who skyrocketed way up because everything made sense. Like the runway was clear for them. Young. I mean, Marv didn't totally do it, but 808 as a rookie is not, it's not the end of the world. But then you have Brian Thomas this season where it's just like, how does this player possibly fail? He's young. He's the one on his team. And then absolute catastrophe of the season. So this is when you're putting together as a tier, it can be, it could be very difficult. For sure. And I think the other thing too is that dynasty has so many seasons within the year, the calendar year, right? Like players have certain value in a dynasty startup, which is kind of what I think of when I think of rankings and tiers. But then like, man, in season, like a veteran's value relative to his tier might be way more because he's actually producing, he's getting the target share. Right. You need him in your lineup, those sort of things. But obviously that changes the equation. And then you get to the point in the offseason, like that veteran loses value immediately. So they're elusive. They change all the time. But they're from the talk through because I think it's a good thought exercise for trying to forecast. Like who can move up and who can move down tiers and just thinking through the range of outcomes on certain players, which we always think we're really good at. And I think we're at least above 50% on this stuff. But as you said, the Bryant Thomas Jr. is a perfect example of this game being a market based evaluation on certain players. And it is so subjective that if you disagree, that's fine. And then that's going to work out sometimes in your dynasty leagues as well, whether that being startups or trade. So I'm excited to break these down today. Yeah. My last little note here is there's things like I don't know what I don't know whether it's player stuff off the field that will change their involvement or she stay inside. Yeah. That one's hard in dynasty because I don't think anyone knows where to rightly assess. I literally just moved like I have the rankings here in front of me that Kyle is at a mic. Nope. I don't believe that anymore. Oh, we got a live right. I just moved him down. Yeah. Or like Tyree kill or the one we always bring you back to Michael Thomas. If you had said, Hey, by the way, this wide receiver is going to vanish from being maybe the one of one to Thomas is the craziest. I like the Bryant, the Bryant Thomas plummet is wild. The Michael Thomas plummet of your, the number one him and I get in juju of were locked in top three startup picks. And then they were not. So I have juju on a team where I got what first two years. No, not still. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. That they were saying you still have part of it. We did the bench discussion last week. That's the guy who's supposed to cut. Part of me wants to keep him there. Just remember I had the first two seasons of juju. All right. And after this, the second two season, the second season was awesome. 1500 yards. You think this is going to last forever. And I got nothing for him. Like eventually, you just got to the point where I had to drop this player, but I've just holding on to I remember what he was worth value wise to people and now is just gone. So this stuff changes over time. And then next year we're going to be adding in Jeremiah Smith to this mix that before he takes a snap, I'm just going to guess right now he's going to be top five or six a year from now. He's so good. He probably will be because everybody's talking about him as a top five NFL draft pick. And we saw what happened with Marv when that was the case a couple of years ago. So I think it'll be very similar. Do you know what the Marv peak was in overall startup ADP? Yeah. Wide receiver five. I'd go even higher. He got up to three at some point. Yeah, there you go. Whoops, it is. That's especially that that's a another difficult thing of when you're talking overall rankings. And it's like, okay, a player that has never taken a snap. How do you compare them to veterans who have multiple years under the belt? And you can you know who they are as an NFL player because Marv, I mean, the discussions on Marvin Harrison Jr. versus Malik neighbors was and I mean, you have people on both sides of the camp of who should be the better pick who's going to be the better fancy play. A thing I do remember about the time is people talk about, okay, well, neighbors could be better than Marv. He just is he seems a little bit riskier just based off of his profile. It's like, Marv is a big boy running big boy NFL routes. The thing about him is he can't fail. Maybe he doesn't return total value, but he can't fail. I don't know that I would call his career a failure in totality yet. He still has a lot of time to write the ship. But like, as of these first what three years, it is a failure. Meanwhile, Malik neighbors, like, if you could trade Marv from Malik neighbors right now, I think everyone would sprint to the podium for that. Right. I mean, people are offering you just a first for Marv. That's basically it. That's kind of the market for him and it feels like and that feels right. That feels like a fair yeah and risk on both sides. Yeah, I feel like, you know, I have Marvin a league. It's like, I'm not trading him for first. I'm going to hold out and hope and just suffer that I've gone this far with him. I would sprint. Would you? First right now. You take the one. Why would you not reset? Why would you not reset on a player who potentially could actually do it for a guy that we keep making excuses for this far into his career? That's where I'm at. I think it's fine. I would say if it's a back half first, I can say no, but I get it if it's like 105 or higher in the next year's draft. You want to do that. That's fine. Let's talk about this first year really quickly. We don't have to go too far into it. I'm calling it the untouchables because if I had one of these players on my team, there is no way I would try them. If I had two of these players on my team. Oh, shut up. Kyle. Now, it is funny. So we have Puka, Jamar Chase and JSN and these are our wider receivers that we have in Dynasty. Mike has Chase. So I have one of the big three. Guess which one I have ranked number one? That's true. Zero bias here. There's not much to say here. There's a little bit of age discrepancy, but with Chase, it feels like he's going to play forever. It's not just that Chase is my number one because of Joe Burrow. The Sam Darnold is an incredible story. Very happy for the man to resurrect the career. It's just can he do what Joe Burrow does? Will he ever even be asked to do what Joe Burrow does? This is not an attack on JSN. But the season when it's perfect, is it possible? It could go for JSN. He belongs here. I'm not making an argument to take him out of the top three, but guys have perfect years. And then that was the greatest. And you'll still get really, really strong fantasy years. But I think that that was a, it was it was pretty perfect. I mean, there's a realistic chance that we just saw his best season. Which is crazy because you're so young and you think there's more room to grow. But like you said, it was outlier, perfect in terms of his yards, perturbed. Every target was a completion. I feel like I put, you know, put on Red Zone every Sunday. It's all the sudden. There's another deep shot to JSN for 40 or touchdown every single place. So I'm with you. I think regression is naturally going to happen. But that doesn't mean he's not a locked in top asset. What's interesting is looking at where this tier was a year ago where JSN was anywhere close. He was kind of ranked as a top 12 wider seeker. But we had Jefferson in this group. We had neighbors in this group. And a year later, would you guys agree? Like I would not put those guys in this top three. Well, Jeff Jefferson. Man, Jefferson is just so tough because it's not his fault. But this is part of the game is who is your quarterback, which is like, like I know Stafford, Stafford just extended or something, right? Correct. My brain is mush right now. So you do, you know, a long term, the fact that the Rams took Ty Simpson is it is just at least a positive step where you're not getting like part of the problem with with juju. And then like this, just the guys on the Steelers is they had no plan or they chose to not have a plan to replace Big Ben. And then you just go into quarterback purgatory and it doesn't matter how good you are. You can't be in a lead top three type of a player with a crap quarterback. You can be you can still be good and solid for fantasy football. But you if you're not locked in with a with a franchise guy, you just to me, anyways, you'll never be at this top. I think that's fair. And I think that's that's a good reason to keep him in the second tier. Obviously, he could outscore Puka, Jermarche, or JSM this season. So like redraft, obviously, it's different conversation. But for Dynasty, I still think with you in terms of that just quarterback question mark, is it Kyler? Is it a rookie next year? A different free agent. What have you? As far as neighbors, I know we kind of like have to ding him because of the ACL recovery and everything. I am still such a huge believer in him as an NFL talent. And obviously, we're projecting him to start the season slow, whether it's on PUP or just not being 100% for the start of the season. I really think you're not going to get peak Malik neighbors until next season. So understanding that for this year for me is kind of how I'm approaching it. But that doesn't doesn't mean I'm not. still in on him. So if somebody wanted to push him up into Tier 1 because I think he's that talented, I think it's fair and he's only 23 years old. I think that's fair but I think the way that we have it now is pretty good with CD, Justin Jefferson, neighbors and Almond Rock kind of rounding out Tier 2. All right, let's hit quick break and we'll keep moving through some tiers. All right, we're moving on to Tier 2 and if you want to see all of these tiers, we'll have an article on the website. We have the rankings found in the Dynasty Pass. If you want to pull out your app, you can see all of them there. But in Tier 2, I'm calling them the White receiver one studs. It's CD Lamb, Justin Jefferson, Malik neighbors and Almond Ross St. Brown, which feels like almost a disservice to him because he's maybe the most consistent White receiver year year. Yeah, you are correct. But all we're saying is. He has golf with my argument. Golf is locked in of all these guys like Malik. I'm with you, bets on I have no problem. If someone wants to put neighbors into Tier 1 and say you can't get them off of my team, I think talent wise, that makes absolute sense. But you know, you're putting a lot of chips in on Jackson Dart truly being a franchise guy. Looks like it, but that's not a lot of data to go completely all in where you can end up with a Thomas situation. Yeah, there's just more risk with the Giants because of the uncertainty. Right. On his recovery and Dart, so I think the way we have it is despair. Yeah. In the heart of the heart, what is Matt Nagy, baby? He's going to unlock Jackson Dart with those White receivers in week one. Yeah, we've we've loved what Matt Nagy has brought to the table for many years in a row. This Tier 2 is interesting. You brought up BTJ because he was in this group last year, Swirl Alert. It's going to be a couple more tiers till we talk about him. But I wanted to bring up Jefferson as the interesting name because for a while, the debate was Chaser Jefferson. And that was like the dynasty conversation. And now we're kind of removed a little bit further. He's 27 years old. It was a really, really tough season last year when you get 140 plus targets and score only two touchdowns. It's like, oh gosh, like that is insane. It's one of eight White receivers in. I felt history to do it. And there's some good White receivers on the list. But like 84 catches for a thousand 48 yards and two touchdowns just shows you like how bad the how bad they were when targeting Justin Jefferson because well and like Jefferson wasn't just in Jefferson last year. You had many, many drops of like every player, if you get a high target volume, you're going to have drops. So I don't actually like I'm an opposite one. We always bring up. It's like right. I'm not moving Jefferson. Oh, he drops. But he dropped some really important passes where you know, you like you had the struggles of of nine getting him the ball accurately. Well, then you had multiple times where the past was good. And it just bounced right off of his hands. You're like, oh, man, Jefferson. Do you feel like there is a buying window now for Jefferson because depending on where you stand on the Kyler conversation, like you have people that hate Kyler think he shouldn't even be in the league anymore. You have people that want to give him a second chance. And so it does create this like discrepancy of like what do people believe about Jefferson. And you could go in on and say, Hey, this is still a top in tier two wide receiver. And I'd like to try to buy in this moment. Like, are you willing to do that bet at right now? I don't know what his cost is in the trade if I'm being honest. Like I haven't put around in my leaks to try to get him. So I'm not really sure what it would take. I assume a young productive wide receiver on a first at least maybe two first something like that. I think if you're in the middle of the pack team or a contender and you need an extra boost at wide receiver, I'm certainly trying to push the chips in and go for it. And Justin Jefferson to me is one of those guys who clearly would be somebody that can move the needle for your team and give you that league winning upside. So I think I'm buying on that situation. I'm in the camp that obviously can't be this bad two years in a row for a player that's talented. And we probably just saw the worst season where ever going to see from Justin Jefferson from a fantasy standpoint. And I know Kyler's frustrating. I know there's some issues there. I just like going right back to Kevin O'Connell's scheme. We've had so many quarterback succeed even Carson once was giving us like usable weeks in fancy last year, which is so like then I fell season is so long we need to remember Carson went started games for this team last year. And was giving Justin Jefferson plenty of targets. He was producing in those games. So it's like man, can we just have Kyler not be Jay Jim Carthy and I think good things are going to happen for Justin Justin Jefferson. So yeah, I guess I guess I am willing to see what it costs in the trade. I wouldn't be I wouldn't fault anybody that is the Justin Jefferson manager that's still holding here at the same value we did a year ago a year and a half ago. And you might have to pay an arm and a late to get him. And then maybe I'm saying, okay, I'm out at that cost. But yeah, he's at least worth poking around. I think foreign leagues for sure. Would you would you rather pay up for Jefferson or look at these guys that we have in tier three who look value values all over the place. But we have them at tier three. So we are saying we believe that they should cost a little bit less in in a trade. Would you rather dip into tier three and hope that one of those guys next year, we're talking about them in tier two. So we're talking about players. I'm jumping around here, Kyle. Sorry. So it's like Drake London, Macmillan, George Olave or Nico. One of those guys, do you want to maybe pay a little bit less and take the hope that they jump up. I think the only guy that you could maybe get for less. I think I mean, Drake London's going to cost a ton. Teteroma, Macmillan people are very excited for obviously pickens is coming off a career season. I think the only guy that you might be able to get like four less than Justin Jefferson relative to those guys might be Chris Olave or Nico Collins. I think Nico is at a point where he feels kind of bland. There's name fatigue. I know he was hurt. Yes. I agree with that. But you have three straight seasons of a thousand yards. So if this is coming down to cost, let's say Jefferson is like if I had Jefferson, I'd want at least two firsts and something else. And I don't think people are willing to give that up. I think I get it from a cost standpoint. I think with Jefferson, like do you remember when Deandre Hopkins had that season where just like it was insane amount of targets and it was the most inefficient Brock eyes, Osweiler crap ever. Yep. It was so bad. Hopkins was done. And then like that's what the market said teams up with Kyler. Obviously like reset a lot of things and he was totally fine a couple of years later. I guess it really does come down to how you think Kyler will hyper target him. I mean, these teams thought Jordan Addison they added to make some assumptions that changing McCarthy doesn't win the job. I love that Mike is still there. And also the part of it is a bit. No, I like it because the whole world has turned against this man. And now I'm back on his team. I love it. I love that. I love that. He's in a corner. I love that the world has turned on Jay Jay McCarthy in favor of Kyler Murray, a guy who the entire world had turned their back on. It's very funny. It's what have you done for me lately? League Mike I could tell you what Kyler did for the Arizona Cardinals lately. Jack Squat got some nice graphics. What's so funny about the Kyler situation is the last snap in Arizona uniform is the play where he hits the ball off his face mask in the shotgun. Like, no, he's not. Is it? I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure that's last snap he took as a cardinal. That would be incredible. I'm going to need to leave this. I need to bet this. Oh, man. I at the end of the day, because you got hurt on that step. Yes, he didn't play from week five on. And that was the Tennessee game that had you guys on the main show after that week. Andy just pulling his hair out being like, how was this an actual franchise? Because it was impossible. That was the D Mark Otto Jonathan Ganon's sideline situation. Kyler took the snap off the face mask. Yeah. That was it. That's last time we saw Kyler in Arizona. I we all believe in Kevin O'Connell. It's almost like I'd want him to play quarterback for this team. He wasn't NFL quarterback, but I we believe in him and scheming things up. So with Jefferson, he feels steady. I don't know if I'd love to pay the name price because he still carries that, right? It's like in leagues. People have something like, oh, he stinks. But he dropped it here. And last little name I got to mention because I feel like CD Lamb almost like name wise doesn't belong with this group, but production wise when he's on the field, he does. It's just we have George Pickens to do with I love CD Lamb. I still think easily wide receiver. But we're I think people are getting name fatigue from him as well. And they yeah, you get you get name fatigue combined with injury of last year, which when CD Lamb was on the field, he was awesome. Like he will you had this you had a weird ending to the cowboy season where there was a couple games where the entire offense stunk. Like George, George had some some some dud CD had some duds. I but I when I look at it in totality, I see a player that who is being undervalued, cutting into this year. Yeah, he's he's one of my favorite guys that like if you're going after a stud and you don't want to pay the top top tier and a trade to get. I think CD you can you can get for a little bit less than these other guys. And man, I think CD's going to have an awesome year. So I want to talk to you guys about Teteromic millen because I of the three ballers. I am the lowest and this is not this has absolutely zero to do with Teteromic millen. It's my stance on To be in the top tiers for for dynasty. You must have a franchise quarterback who is a top tier quarterback How like how do you get what is the path that you guys see for mick millen Taking the jump because he was I don't have all his numbers in front of me. Let me pull them up But like he was he dominated a The target share, you know what 25% I get that could go up, you know, some guys are up near 30 so That there there is room for growth there, but at the same time Bryce Young is like a 3000 yard passer and They will have him this year did they pick up his option? I don't think they did they did Okay, but then they're working on extensions like Basically it's cheaper for them to pick up a fifth year option and then basically figure out from here like what do we do sure But so it's okay the career of Teteromic millen is the next two years as Bryce Young and do you I because I think this is part of the equation of do you think mick millen can jump up into tier two or or higher He's tied to Bryce Young and then if that doesn't work out now you're in quarterback reset which Often goes very bad for a few years as you're trying to figure it out and by then you're on the contract extension timing so just how How do you guys see it playing out where mick millen really can pay off and and make a jump? I think it's interesting that we have him next to Drake London because They've kind of been comp to each other the most since mick millen come to league and London The route has not been that clear, but like let's say it happens in a similar way where this team is still figuring out there Franchise quarterback and through four seasons London's been a top 12 wider see were just once like it's right it's actually been more hitter miss than we realize I just I want to find players That I know this player could see 150 targets There's no question on this offense he could see 150 and that's kind of where mick millen is for me mick millen Yeah, mick millen could see 150 targets. There's very few players now that's probably being hyperbolic, but like 130 140 like that's very much on the table the way this team is constructed and He's just so young that like I can afford a year or two where he ends up being a top 15 top 20 wider see were but your question is Kenny tier jump Yeah I think it the only way he tier jump because if you're a couple people buying mick millen Like if you're going to trade your assets to get mick millen on your team Built into that trade is going to be a tier jump yes from whoever has them on their team And the only way you're going to pry them away is projecting the jump in overpaying right now Yeah, maybe maybe the route that you're saying is if you're going to overpay this might not be the time do it because of the season that he's in which is I can't see this team taking a tier jump just like as an offense At all, but like target-wise just volume like I feel so safe with him I think the way that you guys are framing this makes a lot of sense where like I was start talking about the start of the show in the off season when you're doing a dynasty start up these young productive Early NFL draft pick wide receivers historically the hit rate is very very good Teterra mick millen checks the boxes from the efficiency standpoint the draft capital everything did as a rookie We project him to be a very good pro, but then you get in season and it's like okay Bryce Young is still frustrating gave canals once they're on the football all of a sudden this player that you spent a top 10 Wide receiver pick in a startup draft in is giving you like wide receiver 22 production and fantasy points and like that's good. You need that on your roster But in startups he's being taken as if a guy that is going to be a potential league winner at some point very soon And I'm more with Mike where it's like and Drake London is a perfect comp for this right because Nobody has ever questioned Drake London's talent. He's been very very good But you need touchdowns to be a top five top eight-ish receiver in fantasy and as long as Bryce Young is the quarterback I'm just not sure we're getting that and so if you do project it to be a frustrating kind of Good but not elite two years here I don't know that I'm willing to to shell out top dollar in a trade to get to Teterra mick millen even though I think he's a super talented player This is kind of one of those things where like Dynasty players have gotten more savvy in that like we know what to look for in in hits at wide receiver And it's the Earth's part run. It's the draft capital. It's all these things But then we we're so tied to that being like this is right in this the other stuff is wrong But it's like man at the end of the day you gotta score fantasy points and I think I'm more on my side where it's like This will be frustrating. He's very talented But I see a very similar path to Drake London where we're just waiting to get a quarterback and waiting to get somebody that can unlock that top five season And I think it's going to be a couple of years at least Like marves rookie year was 885 and 8 And mick millen was just over a thousand and seven I mean of like Not Like not world beating difference of right of 200 yards and then six points from the touchdown so I could points wise not not all that off right mick millen at least functioned as Clear wide receiver one stuff like one of the stats I was looking at is when three wide receivers are on the field It's usually harder for a wide receiver to earn a target. There's just more competition He was actually way better. He had a 26% target share 31% first re target share so like That's because aviary le gets out there when wind sprints They have a wide receiver Every time le gets sips on the field they just immediately look at At the rom mick millen that would be a fun stat just say when le get is on the field. How does it boost other people's target shares What does it mean? That's just different. The offense So I think his value feels safe But I think we're where we kind of landed as like I don't want to buy into a tear jump For him like he feels safe in this tear three maybe moves down a little bit if it's a bad season But like I'm excited about his long-term output his target earning ability The other wide receivers in here we mentioned London mick millen pickens Olave and Collins and my little thought is It would not shock me in fact. I'm kind of guessing that a year from now Jordan Tyson is the saints wide receiver. I'd rather have a dynasty then a lot of Kyle. What's wrong with you? I was gonna say that you know that's why I was just gonna bring up Olave in the Teteroma mick millen argument of like I've seen Tyler's shock Essentially start nine games and I'm already far more Secure in the idea of my fantasy wide receiver being tied to him than Bryce Young I'm fine with that. I I think he's throwing he's throwing for 250 of a game You're just dealing with the touchdowns to go up, but it's like you know like I said first nine games But who's gonna see 30% of the pie? I'm pretty sure mick millen's gonna see 25 to 20 30% at least with Olave I have to throw in the variable that he was very touchdown fortunate at the end of the year They went on a little run. He was with shook And I've always loved Olave the player But I just think Tyson is like different like I think Tyson is like Justin Jefferson level different in how he moves how he gets open And the way that he works in modern day NFL So there's just some variables there with the saints where it's like I could see myself a year from now saying like Tyson's in this tier and a lava move down Yeah, I mean because 250 a game that's 17 games that's well 4200 yards 42 61 that's enough for two guys Like that that's a you need like I said you do have to have the touchdowns come up, but yardage wise that's if it's focused to To Tyson and Olave which By the end of the year it should be you know, I mean what It's gross, but I'll but they like could we're really ruined things for Our target distribution in New Orleans But like if it does shake down to those two guys that I think that at least what shook it showed his rookie or that would be plenty If that's what he's gonna give us And I think to your point Mike too you you look at some of the saints moves This offseason obviously jawon you've been a truth. They're my kind of for years I've always loved jawon. He's kind of had a niche role as like a big slot type receiver But you fall their moves Oscar Delp on the draft no a fan free. Yeah, I think our I think our time is coming It's a great run if you had more way you can plug them in a couple times. He's great But I think if you fall their moves they're opening up the window to be following the NFL and saying let's let's try some more multi-title And sets and if it is just Olave and Tyson on the field their ability to earn targets over No, a fan is clearly going to be elite. So it's like man. Let's let's get some of that stuff going here We should I can see what happens. So I'm I like that take Kyle. I think it's definitely possible Yeah, and a lot of basic guy too where it's like the injury concerns Were there for two or three years and they're not just the injury And age of of mcmillan you're talking almost three years. Yeah Yeah, and then the other one I would Is what are you guys doing with George AKA George Pickens because I am very bullish. He's in my top 10 and the other two ballers. He's at red run 11 for them uh and he He is terrifying because he is not officially linked to deck or a top tier quarterback I think that the the odds are he doesn't end up as a Dallas cowboy long-term unless there's like some, unless there's a real shakeup, you know, involving probably CD as they like say, "Eh, we're gonna, we'll go to George instead." But his talent level, I think, like if I had to take from tier three, just the player of Drake, Mick Millen, Olavi and Nico, I would put George at the top personally. Talent. That, yes. So it's the, a little bit of, there is some very much of a, he might be a boat in here because next year, George is, George is going to make so much money. Yes. So, so much money next year. And it might be a loser who shows up to pay the, the cost for a pick-ins. It's a really unpopular loser that's like, I, you know what I mean. I mean, I throw away team where George pickens and I would fall, George zero. Like, he was a second-rounder. You go get that shmoney brother, but hopefully he ends up at a place where you have a competent quarterback and not a, not a Bryce Young level of quarterback. We're like, oh crap. Here we go. We're just stuck forever at Y-315. I have George and a league and I've thought about cashing out so many times this off-season because I just know like what he did, it's going to be really hard to repeat that because it was awesome. Like it, and the spike weeks were awesome and everyone remembers the big plays and a lot of them were when, uh, Liam was off the field. So, but at 25 years old, I feel like no matter what season you're in, if you're rebuilding or if you're containing, it's like, this is a valuable player. So just cashing out for the sake of like cashing out doesn't make sense when he could repeat as a top 10 wide receiver. Like top five, I had probably bet against that repeating the rest of his career if I had to bet. But I think you're fair where we have him like we at wide receiver 10 in a startup. Like I'd want him over a lave. I think you can debate it over Collins, but yeah, then the next landing spot you are guessing. And if you want to cash out and just say like, I think it's going to be worse for him, then I think you're going to get fair value. Hopefully you get like two first or first and a really young stuff. Yeah. Factor this year in, if you're going to trade George, because he'll he'll be great this year. I did even with CD if they're both healthy all 17. Like if both CD lamb and George pickens are healthy for 17 games and DAC is their quarterback the whole time, I think they'll both be top 12 wide receivers by the end. It feels a lot like those years where we talked about all right, the contract's coming up for T Higgins. Is he going to chase the money? Somebody like the bangles and you'd be like, that kind of is Hopi stays like when this you just keep doing this. And if he just stays in Dallas, it will be awesome. financially, I'm not sure if they can make that work or not, but yeah, the uncertainty, I it's scary to like trade a player away after they were so good, but at the same time, this is a market based game. And so if somebody would like to pay top dollar for the year that he just had, I at least be willing to listen. Those are like the explosive wide receivers that when they go off, it's not like 101, it's like 180 and two. Yeah. T Higgins and and pickens like those are those are the weeks like in DFS or those kind of formats like they completely win you the week. They're awesome. All right, let's hit quick break and we'll keep moving. All right, we are moving on to tier four at wider receiver. I'm calling it a wide range of outcomes because once you get to this level, there's a lot of guys that I feel hopeful and it kind of expecting them to have a wide receiver one type season, but we've kind of seen these players ebb and flow. So like this is Garrett Wilson. We have a couple of young guys in here. Guys, I just figured it out. Garrett Wilson. No, no, no, no, no, no, George. Okay. Rishi Rice, Kansas City chiefs are done. Do you orge going to be the wider receiver one in Kansas city? The Kansas city and we open it back up. Yeah. Everybody stop it. You're doing trade whatever it takes to get George figured. I just saw it. The division during the during the break while you were here from the sponsors, I figured it all out. I love to hear it. Book it. His value is skyrocket. So I would love that. And yeah, it will be a different chiefs team a year, two, two years from now. Maybe my guys, George, Ken and George, Ken Bo and the same logger. Can they handle each other in the locker room? Oh, they'll be best friends. Best friends. And they always get so many love letters from me. Not the one of the ones in the locker, George. It's from that might guy again. He keeps sending us stuff. All right. So let me let me tell you about this tier because we have Garrett Wilson, Cornell Tate and mecha, Eggbeg Bo, Megane Boca, Devonta Smith and Jordan Tyson's. We have two of the rookies in this group, which I think is an interesting conversation about it. But then we have Eggbeg Boca, who last year they're in this group because we're all freaked out. That's exactly what just happened to us. Especially in Dynasty rankings, you get to a certain point if you have projections or whatever that you're like, oh man, here's the meeting outcome. But man, this player could go so many different directions here. Correct. A year from now, Eggbeg Boca, would it shock if you was top 10? No, no. Would it shock you if Tate was top 10? No, Tyson wouldn't shock me. What's funny is I think it would shock me a little more, even though I prefer him to carnel Tate. So it's provocative. It's shocking. It's I mean, there's some players here that I want in Dynasty. Devonta Smith, I feel like if somebody we talked about over and over again, Jason's talked about its hunt. He's under contract for three more seasons. He's a little bit older. He's the oldest in this group, almost 28 years old. But they're essentially treating him like a wide receiver one. And we think you can be that. He's seen that kind of target share. He man, seeing him in those list of names. He is other than I'm taking Rashid Rice out of the difficulty ranking Smith is really hard. Like he'll be he'll turn 28 this year. And this is his true chance to be the number one. Yes. We have all our split data of well, when AJ Brown misses games. Yeah. For a couple games here and there. But it asked Juju what happens when your superstar leaves the team. And now you have to be the number one guy. And a defense can try to scheme you out as the number one. You don't you don't get the the helpfulness of of Batman being on the field. And no offense to Don Tavian Wicks. Wow. You want to say something negative about him or McCoy lemon is like lemon is not proven and lemon archetype archetype wise. We have to see how that actually even works. That's like a guy is going to turn 28. And the first time where all of the weight is on his shoulders, his frail tiny skinny body shoulders. I'm just dunking on him for no reason. I love Smith. But it's like, are you that? My ranking is very confident in him. But you know, just talking through it on the show are is it worth the price of admission to say he's going to do it because if he does it, he'll jump up to tier three. I eat you know what I mean? Like I don't think any outcome has Devonte Smith as a tier four wide receiver next year. Either he makes the jump up or he moves down a little bit. I would say the only thing that that prevents me from agreeing with him. My case is just the age and that's kind of how dynasty players are for these non elites. And I'm not saying Devonte Smith can't have an awesome season. I think he's going to be really, really good. But even if he has a great season, when we turn the page to 2027 and you look at his age, which he will be 28 soon to be 29, are you going to draft that guy the same way that you would draft Justin Jefferson who's done it for years or see lamb who's done it for years at a elite level? Probably not, right? So I think it's really important to kind of think through this from two different lenses and different games that we play in redraft. I'm super in a Devonte Smith. I think he's going to be awesome. In Dynasty where it's a market based game, there is a chance that this is the peak value we'll ever have for Devonte Smith because AJ Brown has gone because there's excitement around wider super ones season. But it's like, man, you look up in a year and you're like, oh, he's he's almost 29 years old. I got to get out from this guy and people think that way so quickly because of age and how we play this game. So that's my only thing with Devonte Smith. I think if you're a contender and he's like your wider super two or three, like you should feel awesome. But if you're somebody that's like, I don't know, I'm middleing in the pack. I'm a bottom five team. I can get something huge for Devonte Smith. I'm probably doing that in a Dynasty league. I love the player. I love the talent. And then having him on so many teams over the last couple of years, it's been good to maybe very good, but it's never felt great. And I think that's like the expectation now is like, I think if I buy into him, he will be great this year. And you might end up with like a wide receiver 18 season, which is good. But like, I think we're all wanting him to be great for fantasy purposes. Yes. I also think just to stemically too, like you think about Diego's offensive line has been so good for years. They're kind of, I mean, Lane Johnson is closer to the end than the beginning. Obviously he might be his last year and offensive line at major injury issues last year. Those guys contemplated retirement. I think there's a world that exists where the Eagles offense. It looks so different just a year from now. So I just think there's a lot more risk, dynasty-wise, on a guy like this. - We had the debate about tight or Tyson, or tight or Tyson. Tight or Tyson. - Tight or Tyson. - About these two. And then I want to point out - To look at your projections really quick, Mike, because I think for all of these, Tate's gonna win on median projections this year. Like who's gonna see more targets this year? - Right, okay. - I'm assuming it's gonna be Tate. Would you say that, Betts? - Target's Tate or Tyson? - Yeah. - Hmm. - I don't think it's median outcome, yes. - I think it's easier for me to project Tate to see more targets. - Sure. - But you also have the quality of target and the pace of play with Kellyn Moore. - Yeah. - Just more play volume for the Saints. - Who do you think? - What about receiving yards? - Probably Tate. - Touchdowns? - Probably Tyson. - Okay. I don't know. - I think a year from now, there's room for both of these guys to move up a tier or two. I think there's definitely that. And then let's say that they have a middling or even an air ball year if they get hurt. They're gonna be right here. They're not gonna move. - Yes, yeah, they will hold their value unless they completely fall on their face. - I want to move to tier five, 'cause these are really interesting names. I'm calling it, "Can they be a top 12 wide receiver?" And I say that because most of these dudes have been a top 12 wide receiver. It's Ladma Conkey. We've seen it before. Luther Burton, who I feel like everybody's baking in the jump. Zay flowers, who was at wide receiver one. T Higgins, we know he can be, AJ Brown, and then Roma Dunes, they so both bears, wide receivers are in this tier. These are our top 24 wide receivers. We've talked about the bears guys a lot. Anything you wanna say just to Dunk on Jason before we move on? - What I will say is, the Luther Burton, it's difficult 'cause you, we have seen so, so little of it, what's hard, and this is a fantasy football in a life difficulty, let it all throw it. Like as one who felt that they were at the forefront of the Luther Burton bandwagon, as far back as last preseason, I was on the show of like, I think Burton ends up as the wide receiver too by the end of the year. I don't know who the number one is going to be between DJ Moore or Rome, but I think that that burn is, he's on his way and he's gonna kick somebody out. So I was like, to have loved a player so much, go through the season, the difficulty at the beginning, but then all the success at the end, especially success in terms of the advanced analytics that us nerds love so so much, it's hard to be like, whoa, hey, let's pump the brakes a little bit. I'd be like a top 20 guy, we, it's difficult to do that, and I'm not gonna do it. I'm gonna, this is not what I'm saying. Like this is all gas, this is a pedal to the metal. But I can see where a world where it goes wrong. (laughing) - It wouldn't surprise you. - The perfect compromise, Mike, is you're driving the car off the cliff. Pedal to the floor in Alaska. That is the level of speed that we're talking about. - I'm hitting the ramp. - I'm hitting the ramp at full speed. Do I evil, con evil, and like go flying off of the motorcycle? I don't know, do I stick the landing? - Maybe. - We're gonna find out soon. - I'll tell you what I'm not doing. I'm not jumping shit from Rome, that's not happening. - What type of price would you pay for Luther Burton? If you guys, if you guys wanted to acquire, if you're all gas, I mean. - Well, I still have to be financially responsible, Kyle's got him in Dino Junior. - I just wanna see what he's worth. - The problem with Dino Junior is I'm not the captain of the Dino Junior ship, that's Jason. - Oh, that's true. - So he would much prefer Rome. And Mr. Loveland is the biggest hurdle for both of these guys. I think it's more than likely that Loveland ends up as the number one target for the Bears. - What's so fun about Dino's D? - What's so fun is that every single player on your team, especially if they gained a little steam, like burdens, games, small season steam. - Right. - There's just something in all of us, like I just wanna know what you're willing, but what do you think? What do you think about my player on my team? What are you willing to give me? And then I could just say no, never. (laughing) I drafted this player, so he's worth double that. That's how this game works. So there's the burden of Dune's A-Bate, debate. What about McConkey? - I just live, moved him up. - Yeah, baby. - Betz is making some McConkey research in the weeds. And I'm looking at the charges every day as it is. - You finally got some positive signs of life where the off season has really been murky. At least the way I have analyzed it, we've been very pro-cuged at his price. This is not a, like, because it's the question of, okay, if they really do move to some more two tight end sets with Lad McConkey's size and build and hard dog being in charge, are you 100% sure that Lad McConkey will be the wide receiver too? He should be. He should, but that's the problem is it is kind of been a he should be this guy. And if he is, then fantastic wheels up. Like you're telling me McConkey can't earn targets. Overcuged if it's just two wide receivers on the field. It's just the unknown and kind of worry that maybe he's not that second guy, but the publicity and the hype train has recently been more positive for Lad McConkey who's a super, he's a high quality wide receiver. It's hard to explain away what happened last year. - Yeah, Kenan Allen did Kenan Allen things, unfortunately. - Right. - And when a guy who's now picking up his AARP card. - Well, you could have just said one of the greatest of all time. Instead you just-- - Kenan Allen, I'm on your side with Kenan Allen. I have loved him, he's great. But when you're in year two coming off of the season you had and then an old guy shows up and is like, hey, youngster, why don't you clean up my helmet, my pads, 'cause I'm gonna go out there and dominate. And it's just, like I said, it's difficult to explain that away. - For sure. - And just be like, oh, Kenan's gone, everything's back to normal, everything is great now. - Yeah, and I think this conversation is fascinating 'cause you can talk yourself in or out of it. This player and you can kind of see both sides of the coin, which I think you just need to call your shot, whether it's in a startup or a trade of what do you believe. For me, most of the answers to these questions come back to the more obvious thing. And it's like, if I just look at this wide receiver depth chart, okay, La Mcconkey, so impressive as a rookie, Quentin Johnson, been good, getting better every year, your arts protagonist is increasing all three years. But this is a guy who, you know, in Coug, who's average 3.6 and 3.7 catches per game. Like, can he be a volume wide receiver? I don't know, he at least hasn't been and Vlad has at least shown that ability. And I'm not saying he is this year's JSN, but there's a lot of comparables in just the conversation to like JSN from the last two years to what happened this year, where the conversation was, can he play in two wide receiver sets? Can he even play on the outside, you know, to put numbers to it, JSN's routes run in two wide receiver sets or fewer prior to this past season, 14 and 44, in 2023 and 2024, Vlad is already well above that, 53 and 71. So like, he's at least done it in a limited capacity. And we've had these conversations with these players. It's like, can you do it? Does he fit the scheme? And then you get where he had the offense changes. And the offense changes. And then the role of the coordinator got kicked out of town, 'cause he clearly was wasting JSN's talent. And then Giro, I mean, the bromance had to end. I can't imagine what that conversation, like the heart to heart and the amount of man tears that were shed during that conversation. Somebody has. But it's like with, with McDaniel coming in, it yeah, it could be positive. That last year could have just been a complete Greg Roman mistake and oversight. And he just liked the veteran and like, there is a world where that exists. And then it just, Vlad McConkey completely takes flight and he's the, you know, 1150 and seven as a rookie type of player. And we just had a little hitch and our giddy up and now the Vlad McConkey career is back on track. For sure. - Mike McDaniel has this personality where he just gets obsessed with the tactical advantage that nobody else in the league can see. You know, with Tyreeke and Waddle and even like most of nature. And he was just like the John who? - It's, it's, it's so cool because who does he latch onto on this team? You kind of look at him go like, okay, these are good wider receivers. Who is like a great one? 'Cause Tyreeke and Waddle were like great wide receivers. - Right. - Doesn't even you lab that way. And if he does, some of the stuff that Betts have been bringing up is like, he could see this massive jump. Or it's like, I wanna feed this guy, I wanna feed him. 'Cause we know he can get open at will. Like that's the best part about Vlad McConkey. So a year from now, would you say lad is here or moves up a tier bet? If you had to put your guess. - I'm calling him to move up. I think it's gonna be an awesome year for lad. Okay, I like it. - If there's anybody that's gonna be willing to feature Vlad McConkey, it's gonna be the guy wearing joggers every Sunday with the skinny ass. You've ever seen okay like the channels he'll do whatever he wants man. He's cool and it's cool to get lag Mccockey the ball Lad who? That mccockey mccockey mccockey now Now we're gonna Emphasize when Kenan signs is that when you trade for it? Or is that when you run he's actually signing with Washington? I forgot to tell you who Kenan yeah, Kenan Did you get did you have the vision to yeah? No? I my my real take is I think they're gonna sign Steph Diggs Instead of our years or oh Washington thank goodness. Okay cool I want to finish one more tier because there's a couple interesting players tier six. I call it so what do you believe and? It is a wide range of guys from Jalen Waddle Jamison Williams Marvin Harrison Jr McKay Lemon Brian Thomas Jr DJ Moore Casey Concepcion and I added him in at the end out of Out of just like charity Christian Watson the fact that we have Not by we I'm not speaking of myself Casey Concepcion with absolutely no future at the quarterback position ranked above Christian Watson is Just nonsense I well, it's just what do you believe and I I personally think Casey Concepcion I believe the Browns are our toast I just think he's a different cat. He just leaves to Sean Watson is gonna bounce back this year It could only get better Oh, we you can go lateral So there's a lot of players here like I was even comparing where Jamison was you think about his dynasty trajectory where he's been It's just been a roller coaster Where you could have victory lap James Williams and said like this dude is like done like Definitely not gonna be a lion and then he gets the extension Marve has just been this slow decline. It's not a roller coaster. It's just like you're coming in You're not even going for a ride man. It's it's It's like wider seaver 25 and then Thomas has been wild. We talked about him a little bit those three players just looking at their trajectories Interesting, but we can finish off by talking about Christian Watson That's what we can land this plane because we don't have we don't have I can I mean we can talk Jamison Williams Getting you served by Isaac Tislaw if you want I That is not in the range of outcomes For anyone it's in the range of outcomes for my dynasty team Kyle and therefore possible And you're touched on only league he he will crush he will be good Just just saying that I've heard a lot of positive things about him this off season not much on Jamison Williams It's not really a work ethic guy Jamison Williams he's not really an off season some some are saying But for real though I do need to land the plane here with Christian Watson. It's never run 300 routes in a season. Oh my god this again and I think the price is higher than this you know what you sound you sound like Andy when it's like Devon to end It's never had a thousand yards. You didn't have a thousand you're like Okay, he was just under and was still very good This is it's cleared for Watson man. Who are you scared of on the green Bay Packers taking targets away from Christian Watson? They spread the ball around they don't care they they they but those but those guys are gone No, no, the the leftover guys are gone. There's a big three now the way that they're offense functions is they're not looking for somebody to be an alpha They're like they really could not care and if I had to pick one it's Tucker Kraft is the main alpha of the team. Yeah, I can't argue with that I knew you couldn't yeah Tucker Kraft is awesome I think So Christian Watson's fascinating right because there is Two sides of the coin where it's like he's never really done this but they just paid him So maybe they maybe he will and then you look at their moves And I think they're kind of telling us that they believe he can because they do you did let Dante be in wicks Go and they did let Romeo dobs go and and it's all kind of setting up I think the way that I'm viewing Christian Watson because there is such a wide range of outcomes in dynasty is like if I've had him and I've lived the frustration of the last three or four years with the injuries and the wide receiver rotation and all that sort of stuff and I'm not counting on him Like okay, maybe if somebody is hot and bothered for him I can I can get a first form or something like that right? Where it's like I don't need him in my lineup But if this is a startup and he's going well past where I think his value could be a year from now Like I might be interested in getting him so I think it's larger dependent on like where you're at in your dynasty teams Life to kind of view him, but I'm more on the side with Mike I think it's gonna be great year for Christian Watson We just need more rats We talked about that with George Piggins for years like get this guy more routes on a per-out basis He's always been good get him just more routes What if Christian Watson runs or outs? I've been calling him really expensive quentin Johnston Who's been on the field square more touchdowns And better on a per like just like and the show he's been more valuable and the show we're done Oh, sorry. He's more expensive alug pierce. Sorry. I meant that stop Kyle My good stop it All right, that is gonna do it for just the but see the thing like You could mix and match. I think the Romeo dobs gone is It's so huge uh like golden Golden's not a target earner Wasn't a target earner remains that way And it's like and they They have a very distinct role for Jaden Reed and you're like this is all you Have been and like this is all you're gonna be Mean there's they just see a world where I see a world for the Packers where Jacobs is Like his you know like his efficiency it just continues to go down as As he ages and they don't Unless the the marsh on Lloyd breakout earning up. Sorry now break. Oh, just Contribution will put it that way take over. Yeah, I hear you I know not a take over just can Lloyd even be on the field This is like they they're not loaded at the running back position. You know that you're count how old is Jacobs is he 29 Yeah, he'll be in his age 29 season It's You know so he's 28.3 okay, it's players like Jacobs Where it where who was still solid last year, but I mean down to four yards of carry The thing about those types of running backs When it when it's gone it's gone and We have we've seen so many players in the NFL come and go like Josh Jacobs where it seemed like no this He's gonna be one of those guys. He's gonna be one of those guys that can carry on But you're in this will be year eight For Josh Jacobs and then me saying this like I'm You know he has his off-the-field stuff, but like on field. Oh, I think Jacobs is gonna have a great year I'm just saying when you're playing dynasty like this you have to see where the paths can possibly go and I see a path where Watson just has a massive year I want the team to function a different way like I think I think there's room for him to be an alpha one I think the team is just never Chosen to do that with love and what the way that they've done their wider sewers pretty much ever Which is frustrating for fantasy. Well, they had the one the one year Where where Jordan love was what it was he he was quarterback five. Yes, so he was super a 100 yards and 30 and the thing about Jordan love and I believe the advanced and bear it out as well He can still do it like he's still a good downfield passer. He just hasn't had to do it and like the what is the structure of the packers defense, you know um Oh my god, what's his name uh like a Parsons Parsons like When is Parsons ready because you when Parsons was going that was a very very different defense at the end of the year And if you're gonna start the year without Parsons and then Parsons has to ramp up Just Throwing out ways that things could go wrong for the running game for the packers and they have to lean more on love and I think that love is Capable should they have to call on him? I agree with that take and just to kind of hammer this point home They lost their defensive coordinator Jeff Haffley who's now the head coach in Miami Um, so there are ways where it's like you can't you can't just keep giving Josh Jacobs the ball for three yards And set up third and manageable like you have to be aggressive and let Jordan love carry this team I think you can do it in three years as a starter. He's average 7.2 8 and 7.7 yards for pass attempt. He's one of the most efficient quarterbacks in football Maybe that comes down over a bigger sample size with more pass attempts But my take is that he can and and you can load him up with volume if they want to we kind of just MATLA floor to just Do it. Yes. He hasn't yet. Maybe he does this year. Yeah, so that big season. It's like no one saw a 20% target share It's like oh, Jordan loves quarterback five and it's like they did all the other guys Yeah, but but I'm just saying like the way that the team functioned is just Like they don't need everybody like the chiefs have done the same thing. It's like they don't need Wide receivers other than Tyreek or Kelsey to see this massive target show and it just ends up being a blah. So I think he can spike But craft would be the one I would bet on That's probably the better bet Kyle. I mean, it's anything to avoid saying anything positive about Christian. Well, I I like the I'm just projecting this while Watson. I'm projecting like and this like It can go it can go completely sideways for sure. Christian Watson. If he's my watters year four, I would be excited Yes If you were my three, I would be very excited too. Okay. As your wide receiver too. Okay. That's scary. And that's where we're at. Alright, you can check out all the rankings. Fansfootballers.com. Check out the Dynasty Pass if you want to analyze your draft. Analyze your team. And we'll talk tears again next week. Goodbye everybody. Thanks for listening to the Fantasy Footmuller's Dynasty Podcast. If you want to take your Dynasty skills to the next level, check out the Fantasy Footmullers.com.