Death In The Desert - Congress, Arizona

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That's how shitty it is. It's tiny. And it's central Arizona. Imagine needing to be more secluded than Wickenburg, Arizona. Which is everybody out there know where Wickenburg is? You don't. This is an hour 25. It's about an hour to Phoenix, about an hour to Prescott the other way, and three hours to Oro Valley, Arizona. Our last Arizona episode, episode 678, birthday murder present, which was a fun one. This is in Yavapai County. Area code 928. As you know, all of that up there is 928. Population here is 1,548, which I was shocked it was that many. How is it that many? I was floored. I mean, that's the whole zip code that Congress is in. So that encompasses the town. And like the squatters in the desert around it, and like people in like a weird trailer out with no power. That doesn't cover Yarno, does it? I don't think it does, no. I don't think it does either. I think that's separate. Median household income here, 55,104, which is below the national average by about 15,000. And median home cost, in Arras, Phoenix, it's really shot up, the median home cost. Here it is $320,000, which seems like way too much to live in the middle of the goddamn city. The goddamn desert, because that's exactly where you are. I don't think there's new homes out there. I don't know. What the fuck are they paying 300 grand for? I don't know. On Sperling's Best Places, which does all the rankings and the statistics and everything, they have it. In the state of Arizona, this town is ranked 1,437th for places to live. I didn't even know there was 1,400 towns in Arizona. I had no idea. Just in the state of Arizona, it's 1,437th. That probably includes. It includes 30 different locations in Phoenix, 10 or 15 in Tucson, 10 or 15 in Flagstaff, and they still are 1,400. Still, goddamn 1,400. That's ridiculous. So, history of this town, prospecting began, that's how this started, this whole area. I believe that, yeah. In the 1860s, in what was then known as the Date Creek Mining District, I guess it's now known as the Martinez District, so there was early activity, but they were there for 20 years before they found the Congress mine with the gold in it, which was the important one. So, they were digging around, picking out whatever, copper or silver, and then gold was discovered in 1884. That's the Martinez mine, yeah? That's the Martinez mine. That's the Congress mine, yeah, not the Martinez mine. By 1893, the Santa Fe, Prescott, and Phoenix Railway passed within three miles of the mine to pick up the ore there. So, then Congress, boom. And became a big boom town, just like Tombstone or any of these other towns, until the mid-1930s when the mines closed, and then people realized there is no other goddamn reason on earth to be here other than mining. That's fascinating. Absolutely. Here's some reviews of this town. Let's find out what other people think because we drive through it going 85 miles an hour and have no idea anything about it. Because you already have gas from Phoenix. There's no reason to stop here. Here is four stars. Congress sucks. Yeah. Living down. A living downtown is an adventure to say the least. Downtown. What is there, three buildings? It's fucking downtown. What are you talking about? Downtown Wickenburg is a joke. Wow, yeah. The downsides, noise, transient population, drunk idiots, are easily outweighed by the ease of access to everything happening, which is nothing pretty much, by the way. This is written about somewhere else. Everywhere we want to go and want to do. That's about Congress, apparently, current residents. Wow. And finally, one star. A horrible place to live, exclamation point. Yeah. I think a lot of people here are rude and crazy, double exclamation point. Yeah. All right. Some nice neighborhoods, but too many rundown and junky trailers and homes. Weather in the summer is scorching hot, all caps. Lots of crime. Police are worthless. No amenities except for Dollar General and gas station. Wow. That is depressing. Not good. Things to do in this town. Yeah. Oh, man. Here it is. This is not a lot. Let's just say. Drive to Phoenix is things to do in this town. Probably. Or keep going to Vegas. This is Frog Rock. What? Frog Rock, a natural granite boulder shaped like a frog. Yes. Sitting right along Highway 89, just outside town as you head toward Prescott. I do know that. I've heard of that one. Yeah. The Old Congress Pioneer Cemetery. Okay. Which is just an old, the mining town cemetery. Whoever got. Off the side of the road. Whoever got exploded in the mine is buried there. And then Skull Rock, which is a painted skull on a desert rock face. So, there we go. And also, there's the Congress Arizona Crafters and Farmers Market, which is a monthly event where they all get together, crawl out from their holes in the dirt and their fifth wheels and they fucking. Oh my God. Trade wares with each other, I guess, here. They raise funds for charity. They showcase their handmade and homegrown products. Tables full of shit, essentially, here. The event takes place on the first Saturday of the month from October to April in the lot next to the depot in Congress, Arizona. In the lot. In the lot next to the depot. And offers a fun and family-friendly atmosphere for both locals and visitors. Yeah, everyone's going to swarm to that. And I found under the Facebook post for it. Someone asking, quote, who makes goat milk soap for Congress AZ market? Who out there has got goat milk soap? Anybody? Market season will be here before you know it. And I'm looking for someone who makes goat milk soap and items like that. If you know of someone, message me. Currently still have enough bakers, but there may be a slot opening. Oh, boy. Okay. Whoa. All right. That said, let's talk about it. That's not Google? Nope. Not even. Just a little goat milk soap in my area near me. Goat milk soap near me. Let's talk about some murder. What do you say here? All right. Let's go back in time a bit. 1995. Mid-90s. All right. Here we go. April of 1995. Jesus. Ace of bases ripping up the charts. It's a crazy time, man. Everything. Some NSYNC? Not yet, no. They're like 12 still. All the Wu-Tang solo albums come out that year. It's good stuff. All right. So, April of 1995, let's talk about a lady, Frida Brown. F-R-E-E-D-A. Frida. Oh, yeah. Frida Brown's an 84-year-old woman. Dang. She lives in Congress, and she owns the Copper Basin Riding Stable. Oh. Okay. That's fun. Yeah. So, she's got that. She's born in Denver. She has a daughter named June. She has three grandchildren and seven great-grandchildren. God damn. She's living her old lady life here. What she would do is, during the winter, she travels to the desert and lives in a trailer in the desert. In Congress or outside of? Outside of Congress. I have no idea why she does this. She has a house. That's a very popular thing that people do. She stays in the summer in the house, I guess, for AC, but then in the winter comes, she lives outside, basically. Not outside, but in a trailer, which I don't understand why you'd have. You'd have to move a house and go, oh, time to move into the trailer for a while. There's a lot of old people that do this shit. It's so weird. I could see if it was like, I'm going to go move my trailer to Oregon or something, but outside the town you live in, it makes no sense. Yeah. These people go to, like, Quartzite, and there's another town out there that it grows huge because of a bunch of people that bring their trailers down there. That's so fucking weird. I don't understand it. So, anyway, she travels out there during the winter and camps out with her animals, with her trailer and all that shit. Now, soon after she arrived, she was introduced to a man named Philip Allen Boczarski. B-O-C-H-A-R-S-K-I. Philip Allen Boczarski. He's born February 22nd, 1962. So, you know, he's in his mid-30s at this point. Now, they, I guess, she needs help. She's 84. She can't do everything. And she doesn't drive, I don't think, either. So, that's another thing. So, she would, she was introduced to Philip Boczarski and paid him on numerous occasions to drive her to do errands or cash checks in Wickenburg and go to the stores in Wickenburg. So, he'd drive her to Wickenburg and back, and they would, you know, and she would give him a few bucks, basically. That's how it worked. Now, this November of 1994, so five, six months earlier, is when Philip kind of blew into town here. Oh. He left Michigan, where his family was living, and we'll find out leaving his family is not much of a sacrifice. Not difficult, huh? No, it's a mess. Yeah. Yeah, he left Michigan and traveled to Arizona with an acquaintance named Frank Sukis, S-U-K-I-S. They came out together. Now, Philip is fucked up. Philip's got problems. So, in his family, it's both families have problems. He's got problems with alcohol, with violence. His father was crazy. First of all, by the way, his father never was around and actually left shortly after his birth and denied that he's his son. So, his father won't even admit that he's his son. His father, at one point, threatened to shoot his own mother in front of others. At another point, and I don't know how he did this, by the way. This is kind of impressive. He kidnapped and held at. At gunpoint, two on-duty state troopers. The cops. I don't know how you kidnap two state troopers. He got the. He kidnapped the cops. I don't get how you do it with two. I didn't know that was an option. Well, you point the gun at one of them and then the other one takes a gun out. Like, what are we doing here? What the hell? That's. You got to be mighty convincing. That's a big gun. That's a big gun. And her parents. His mother said that her parents beat her and that she was molested by all of her brothers while she was. While she was young, resulting in a pregnancy, a teenage pregnancy, incest pregnancy from rape from one of her brothers, and attempted suicide. Oh, my God. Severe alcohol abuse. Both parents of Philip are severe alcoholics. You know, dad with the state troopers. You got to be drunk to think that's going to work. You know what I mean? This life makes Congress Arizona seem appealing. Right? This would make you run to live in a. Trailer in the desert. You'd be happy to. So, people say that the mother frequently inflicted violence on the children and was really, really, really extra neglectful. Just terrible. Philip's sister said that the mother would leave them alone for days without food. She'd just leave for days and leave the little kids alone without food and would, quote, constantly bring home new sexual partners. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This is a. This is quite the life, man. Why not? Why? What the hell? They have no food anyway. Did the guys bring food? If they brought food. If you bring some clown dog? Yeah. If you bring some clown dog, you can come. Neighbors reported seeing Philip and his sister rummaging through garbage cans looking for food during the winter in New York when they lived there for a couple years. Oh, God. For a time, they lived with. This is crazy. For a time, the children lived with a motorcycle gang in New York. Hell, yeah. Yeah. So, from the dumpsters to some biker gang where him and his sister were exposed to filthy living, you know, bikers and. I can't imagine. And, you know, drugs and sex. And this is during the 60s and early 70s. This is like, you know, Hell's Angels, Hunter Thompson, you know, Charger Charlie, the child molester fucking times of biker gangs. Like, this is crazy shit. A children's services division caseworker in New York filed a petition charging Baczarski's mother with neglect of her children. in that she failed to provide food, education, and medical care, although financially able to do so. Oh, boy. Just didn't care about her kids. She could and just wouldn't. Just didn't give a shit. Didn't care to. Had other shit to do. This petition resulted in Philip and his sister being placed in foster care for a second time. Okay. And then it gets worse, by the way. That's the good part of his life. That's cheery times. This is when he thinks back and goes, man, remember the good times? That's living in a biker gang's clubhouse and rubbaging through garbage cans. Okay. Now, considering whether to return the children to their mother, you know, after the whole deal there. Okay. This is crazy. The caseworker said, quote, these children were the most seriously neglected children I have placed in a long time. I still have some pangs of conscience for not letting these or for letting these children suffer. The emotional stress of drinking, fighting, poor supervision, and open immoral conduct for as long as I did before I acted. Besides this, these children were really hungry, and it was an amazement to them when they were first placed with the foster family that they could have all they wanted to eat at night and still have food for the morning. They were like, what a gal. They were like, we can eat this, but then we won't have any food tomorrow. And they're like, no, no, no, no. We're going to make breakfast, too. And they were like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I get a pork chop. I'm going to save. Yeah. Then I get lucky. I'm going to save the other half of this nanner. Yeah. Yeah. Like they're like, I don't understand how this fucking works at all. There's plenty of food in the morning, too. There's food for everything. So they lived in foster care for about two years and then were returned to their mother. Why? Let's pull you out of the safe environment where you're fed and clothed. It's going great. It's going fine and put you back with your mother who doesn't give a shit. Now, his sister, Philip's sister, Carol Ann, said that their mother, Mary Rose, beat Philip frequently. She said, quote, she'd cuff him in the head. She said, quote, she'd cuff him in the head, use boards on him. She used electric cords. She used Hot Wheels racetracks, which is old school fucking. It's a common hillbilly children rearing. Yeah. Well, Eddie Murphy talked about it in Raw. That was the Hot Wheel track. Whip your ass with that thing. Belts, mirrors, brushes, she said. Just whatever object was around close enough. Those hand mirror. Those little looking glass hand mirrors. Take it off the fucking armoire and hit him with it. She also said that his uncle, Philip's uncle, who lived with them for a time, quote, beat Philip frequently and was always picking on Philip and smacking him around. Now, this is before the age of 12. Age 12, the family moved in with his mother's cousin. Now, according to the mom, Mary Rose, her cousin, a convicted child molester, because that's who you bring your kids to live with, later admitted that he sexually molested Philip. as well. When he was a young teenager now 13 14 his mother sent him to live with chuck below is his name just like below ground like that chuck below chuck below um and even accepted money from below to allow her son to go live with him why do you think that happened well philip lived and traveled with old uncle chuck uh who was a long distance trucker yeah and basically below who later on will be uh serving a 50-year sentence for multiple child molestation convictions 50 years 50 years when they talked to him in prison he admitted that he beat philip often and forcibly raped him for years yeah and he can admit that because he has 50 years he's done way worse than that and the statute of limitations is over on that by then well there's that too he's already been convicted of a shit low he's got no other like he he's not like i don't want this person to think i'm a scumbag it's already over we know 50 years of penalty for child molestation that's a long time what a piece of shit well good i'm glad he's got 50 years fuck that guy um so the evidence later on also says that philip suffered extreme mental physical and sexual abuse by basically everybody he came in contact with besides that foster family and the social worker um he was exposed to alcohol at a very young age started drinking at 10. nice you know the pressures of the fifth grade really get to you you gotta you gotta get down with some uh like a slow gin fizz after the day you know he liked it let's tie on some johnny walker after multiplication but he didn't fuck with like that red label or black label though you had to get him at least the green the 15 he's real he's discerning something nice to go with the social stuff nice uh he began drinking alcohol at 10 and then increased until he was drinking basically regularly like every day by 16. um his later wife described him as a serious alcoholic who drinks until he blacks out oh he does that too not passes out no blacks out meaning i don't know what the fuck i did for hours that's when your body goes on autopilot to do the worst things that it can that's and usually just from what i've read usually that only happens to alcoholics like if you have that set up in your system to be an alcoholic that's that like wow i'm not like an alcoholic so if i drank enough i'd fall asleep i wouldn't black out i just yeah i'd throw up and fall asleep that's all i would do that's what normal people do i mean i'd fucking drink heavy but i don't do it every day so i'm able i've never blacked out ever in my life that's there you go that's good that's a good i've always been terrified of people that do it's scary that's so sad i don't remember what i did like whoa so philip marries in his early 20s and has three children perfect let's continue the cycle um but eventually his alcohol abuse destroys this relationship in spring of 1988 after about five years of marriage he and his wife separated so that's that's philip that's the guy doing the old lady's errands and shit so that's the guy that's helping that's the helper yeah so when someone says sure i'll give you a ride here i'll do whatever you have no idea who that person is it's a bad guy so um all right at least someone from a troubled background you know what i mean not that doesn't make you a bad guy but right you know it could make you this guy is a bad guy that's the problem certainly so frank sukis by the way initially philip and frank lived together when they get to congress uh but after a few months that is when philip moved to congress and set up a tent where he lived alone in the desert a tent nice moves and that's uh where he meets the old lady and all that uh now christmas of 94 before she even arrived frida even got there uh frank sukis gave philip a k-bar knife for christmas which is like a combat style knife those have become very popular common knowledge now thanks to moscow yep thanks to coberger that's what he was wearing it's a combat knife basically it's a military military knife yeah um and this was described by philip as quote his pride and joy he loves it a knife that his other you know drifter friend gave him not my children no my k-bar he has three kids three pride and joy he was always seen with it that is his his jam um now how do they live that's a good question here um how do they survive these guys to eat and stuff what are they doing for money so philip was given a disability pension so he's got a check coming in whereas philip never has any money he just doesn't have money um once in a while he would do odd jobs or yard work and that kind of shit but as frank sukis put it he also did quote a lot of freeloading as he put it yeah yeah some mooching some bumming some bumming around so at frank's suggestion another guy here hires um oh i'm sorry that's when the whole reason alan or philip started taking helping frida was frank suggested it why don't oh you know you need help i got a guy who could use a couple of bucks maybe this is a good matchup there you go she has poor eyesight arthritis she's like partially blind she's 84 she needs so much help she needs a lot of help so um and he often did help out uh frida and the two of them appeared to have a nice relationship probably the first adult he's ever encountered and he's like oh my god i'm so sorry i'm so sorry i'm so sorry i'm so sorry i'm so who hasn't tried to rape him so yeah that's good treated him as yeah pray exactly so as an older person so april of 1995 this is when frank sukis moves to a location near philip just in the middle of the desert there um so now a little bit more about frida she has a campsite basically she's between philip and frank her campsites in the middle of those two she's sandwiched in between yeah she's got a trailer a truck a dog and a shitload of cats what yeah all in a trailer that's weird as cats in the desert cats and dogs in the desert in the trailer so when she first arrived frank sukis sold her some gas and he noted that she reached in the back seat of her truck and retrieved money to pay for the gas from a blast a plastic ziploc bag with a little clutch purse inside of it the bank her bank yeah um the money smelled of cat litter he said so he he spent it to get rid of it as soon as possible to get other bills because he didn't want the cat litter smell in his pocket now may 10th 1995 frank sukis picks up alan or philip his middle name is alan and i want to call him alan um picks up philip at philip's tent the two of them see frida polishing her truck so she she works she does it she keeps her shit nice in the desert which five minutes later covered in dust doesn't matter stupid thing to do so they don't stop to speak with her instead philip and frank then drive to the local food bank and obtain three boxes of food one box was for their friends richard towel and mary beth england who lived in a remote campsite and had no transportation you know fucking i don't even know what you're leaving themselves for dead yeah i don't know what you even call that what do you call that stranded in the desert i guess i mean the fucking the donner party had the same thing going on they were sitting there with no transportation crossing your fingers for luck what do you do wow so if they don't bring the food box they eat each other they just draw straws for who gets eaten first or they die or they die um now sukis later said that while on the way to the campsite to give those to the food that philip suggested that maybe he should offer to get rid of frida on account of her arthritis maybe i should do that i don't know i don't know i don't know maybe she wants to die she might just want to die because of her arthritis he says complain because she was complaining all the time she was praying that god would take her out of his take her out of her misery so maybe i'll just do it hyperbole i do this every day you know how often i wish for death do you have any idea how often i wish for death it is 15 18 times a day i'll count i'll count tomorrow it's a lot too much salt in my food box fuck i might as well just die might as well just kill myself that's it yeah i'm telling you anything i wish for death so often we had technical problems before we started recording i wished for death eight ten times during the course of that so um anyway uh so that's what he said um now this guy just kind of ignored it as yeah he's talking out of his ass whatever sure so alan or fuck i want to call him alan yeah for charsky uh travels with sukis to richard towels camp where he consumes enough beer that he was pretty drunk when they got out of there by four or five in the afternoon nice work he's got it in uh on the way back from the camp uh frank and philip stopped at the arrowhead bar where he had the way he put it later a couple of bourbon and cokes and a beer or two which means i had 14 drinks in my i had a lot to yeah you think that they're pouring a single at the arrowhead in congress a couple bourbon and cokes and maybe a beer you know that just sounds real light no it was more um so they so they drive to the bar now at the bar apparently frank loaned philip ten dollars so he could get a drink and Philip said he needed to call a man in Wickenburg about a masonry job in Prescott for which he was to receive $500 in advance for. So Frank Sucas says that Philip appeared to make two attempts to call this guy, the guy with the job. Thereafter, they discussed a hiding place for the money. When I get the $500, where am I going to put it? Can't leave it in my tent. I've got to squirrel this away. That's the other part here. They have to act like they're like they just scored some gold from a train in the 1880s or something and like hide it in the desert because they don't have a secure place to put anything, these people. I've got to bury this. So, yeah, they're discussing it. Frank suggested, how about a spot underneath a big rock by my TV antenna? He literally is talking about burying. Burying the money, yeah. By the time they leave the bar, it's said that Philip was. Quote, three sheets to the wind. He's shit-faced. Yeah, he didn't get $10 worth of drinks. He got a lot more than that. So Frank drives Philip back to the area where they were camped and drops him off down the road from his campsite. The next morning, he's supposed to pick Philip up and Frank Sucas is a little late picking him up. He meets Philip as Philip is walking toward him along the road. Like he's walking out to where the car would put in. Well, we'll get to showers in a minute here. As a result here, he just picks Philip up. Picked him up there. Didn't get all the way to the campsites. Picked him up and then they drove out. He they said that Philip said that since they'd last seen each other, he'd gone back to town, called the guy, had him drop the money off over at the library or quote in back of the library underneath the propane tank. This is me. What the fuck are you doing? Because Philip had no vehicle. So Frank Frank takes him places in the nearest phone was about a mile or a mile and a half. Away from the play the place like where last night I dropped you off after the bar shit faced. You somehow got to a phone got a hold of this guy and got him to bring you money before I got here in the morning. How the hell did you do that? Meet me under the propane and meet me by the propane tank, which is the most romantic place to me. Yeah, when they get to the library, Philip returned some books and then went behind the building for five to ten minutes. So he reads that's nice. He reappears with five hundred dollars and fifty dollar bills wrapped in a piece of newspaper. Classy got a hide that wow, he immediately gives Frank Sucas a hundred fifty dollars to fix his truck. Oh, you need this for your truck, okay, and he's driving them all over so he better pay him and then he bought some beer and some tobacco for a friend of his name, Jerry Stan Barry, by the way, according to Sucas, this money does not smell of cat litter, by the way, okay, so the two men then drove over to the Stan Barry guy's house. A guy named Dwayne Staley was there also. Dwayne Staley said that Philip had his shirt and shoes off and looked like he had recently taken a shower, which was something of note for Philip. That's why when you said that, I was like, it's actually of note when he looks like he showered, you know, it's very important. Yeah, we understand that he was clean at this moment. He was clean. And that's that's something that's noticeable by people who don't even see him very often. Oh, wow. He must have showered recently. Think about that. If you were such a filthy scumbag that when you showered, everybody noticed. Yeah. So anyway, the Stan Barry guy says that Philip told him that Frida, Frida Brown, they're just hanging out. And he says, Frida Brown, quote, was feeling kind of blue and useless because she was crippled and couldn't get around very much anymore. And she was planning on shooting herself. Jesus. So he said. Crippled or had some arthritis. Like what a little arthritis. A little sore in the wrist from all that polishing. You know, wax on, wax off. And they're calling her fucking useless. Yeah. Yeah. So and he said that basically Philip said that he felt sorry for her, which this guy said they all did. But then he said that she might be better off if someone would, quote, knock the old bitty in the head. Good Lord. Jesus. According to Stan Barry, Philip also said that he wanted to borrow money from Frida Brown because, quote, she wasn't paying him enough. And she'd get angry if he kept on her about it. In addition, the Stan Barry guy said that Philip indicated that Frida Brown kept money, quote, in a bag behind the truck seat in her pickup. Right. As we know about. So from there, they go back to the campsite after Stan Barry's house. They drive from the Stan Barry's house to the Towel Anglin campsite. The people, the stranded people. Yeah. Forever campers for. Yeah, that's forever camping. According to Frank Sucas, Philip told him that the money he picked up was actually wasn't actually for this job that he told him about. It was actually for, quote, a hit job in Prescott. So he said, oh, it's a hit job. Frank replies that I don't believe you. I've been across the country with you. You're full of shit. I think. Are you drunk? After they get to the campsite, Frank and Anglin leave to get groceries. Leaving Towel and Alan there by themselves. According to Towel, Alan or Philip was Philip was, quote, in a very high pitch of excitement and, quote, twitchy. Sounds like he's on meth. So he's got some meth from all that money he had when this towel guy inquired. What's wrong? What up? Why so twitchy? What's the deal with your weird shit? What's up with that? Philip said that he was, quote, in serious trouble. Because he had, quote, robbed and killed an old lady at her trailer in Congress. He explained. He said, I was, quote, in a panic and needed money and needed food. He said that he got five hundred dollars from her and that no weapon or fingerprints would be found. So he should be fine. Everything's fine. It's ninety five. They're not thinking of DNA or anything yet. Finally, he asked this towel guy if Frank Sucas, who he's came all the way here with, could be trusted with a secret. Like, could I tell Frank about this? Why are you? Why do you want to tell everybody? And I guess this towel guy, you figure, who's he going to tell? He lives in the goddamn desert with no transportation. I could tell him anything. He's, you know, whatever. He knows it's you. Yeah. And he said that no towel said no and made a reference to Sucas being an alcoholic. And you never know when he'll get drunk and start running his mouth. Yeah. He may not even know that he told he blacks out. That's the other guy. Sucas. They're talking about. Oh, can I tell Frank Sucas? And he said he's an alcoholic. I wouldn't tell him anything. Yeah. So later that day, Philip asked towel to provide an alibi for him. And this guy said, no, I'm fucking giving you an alibi. I don't want to get involved in this. I moved out to the middle of the goddamn desert with no transportation. You want to know why? Avoiding shit like this. This. That's why I'm daring the universe to take me. I just take me away. I don't give a shit. Aliens. Fucking anything. Coyotes. Whatever. Whatever comes, man. I don't give a shit. A band of ants. Wolves, ants. I don't give a shit. I don't know. A lost moose, even. I don't care. He's down too far. He's angry. Now, when Sucas and Anglin returned to the campsite here, that's when Philip announced that he'd be staying at the campsite for a while. And if a man came looking for him about a job, Sucas should let that person know where he was. Because when I want to hire someone, I want to go searching the desert for them. That's how I look for my employees. Well, I don't know what address this Coleman tent is. I'm not sure if you could possibly help me out with that. So then Philip agreed to, or I'm sorry, later gave Towel and Anglin $250 for the purchase. He's damn near broke. That's $500. I mean, he gave $150, some tobacco, this and that, $250 here for the purchase of food and drink. Towel said that Philip indicated this was part of his plan. Part of the money he got when he killed the old lady. He said, Towel said that he didn't fucking believe him. He was like, you didn't kill any fucking old lady and get money. Who knows where you stole it from, but whatever. So now on his second night at camp, he just decided, I'm staying at your camp for a while. I'll be here. Oh, boy. Towel awoke to find Philip, quote, crying, sitting on the side of the bed. Sitting on it. Sitting on the side of whose bed? I guess there's a bed here. I don't know. Crying, he said. Then he said that he was, quote, in serious trouble. What was he going to do? And he said he was worried about himself. Very worried about himself. Right. So over the next few days, Dwayne Staley here, this guy from around, he drove up by Frida Brown's trailer a couple of times. And on a third occasion of driving by, noticed that her dog was wound up around the tree. So it was tied. The thing was wound up. It wound itself up. Dogs don't know how to go backwards to get out of that. The dog is stuck. They never do. So he knocked on the door of the trailer, got no response. So he unwound the dog. Then the next morning, he found the dog all wound up again. Did it again. And he's like, God damn it. So he became a little concerned about why she let her dog do that all the time here. May 13th, 1995. Now, this is three days after we started this whole narrative here. Frida hasn't been seen. seen for a few days. No one's seen her. So, Staley and Frank's Sukas go to investigate where she is. Sukas pops open the trailer door and finds her in her bed, just dead, sitting there. Dead, yeah. Decomposing, by the way. Pretty good. It's not good in there. Dead in her bed. Which, she's 84. Yeah. 84-year-olds, you go, wow, look at you, you did it. You made it. 84, you died in your sleep. Fucking congratulations, you know? That's great. I mean, what did you expect in a trailer in Congress? That's what happens. So, Staley goes back to his place and calls the sheriff. A sheriff patrol deputy for Yavapai County responds to the call. They enter the trailer. No signs of foul play. No break-ins. Nothing overturned or rummaged or anything like that. He removes the blanket that was covering Frida, and he said he found a body in a state of decomposition and noticed what he thought were, she had a lot of blood on her face and all around her. Yeah. And he said that was the cats were eating her face. Oh, God damn it. That was, this guy just took a look and he was like, oh, the kittens must have been eating her. Oh, this is bad. That is the, they say it will happen. Oh, yeah. They give up. They say it. Yep. They'll do it, yeah. So, the cop believed that she died of natural causes. Now, because this complete dipshit hick cop fucking comes in and says natural causes, he turns her trailer and property over to her friends that she had notes all over the trailer saying that if I, if anything happens to me, these people get all my shit, right? Okay. So, he just saw those, called those people up and were like, come get your trailer and get all her shit. Something happened to her. Just turns it over to them. Doesn't look into it. Doesn't keep it as a crime scene. Doesn't do any of that. Just turns it over to their friends. This is the Hadlocks are the family. They come and get the trailer and they take it to court site. And they say, hey, there you go. Told you. There you go. Fucking told you so. Told you. They park it in court site on May 14th. Now, also on May 14th, while the trailer is being put in court site, the medical examiner examines Frida's body and in about two seconds says, this is not a natural death at all. There's injuries all over her. This is a murder. Cats did not stab her like this. No, that's the thing. And then so, now the next morning, the police called the Hadlocks and left them a message saying, don't do anything to the trailer. Don't do anything to the trailer. Don't touch anything. It's already compromised, guys. Once it pulls away, you have no idea what happened to it. It's compromised. So, who gives a shit? It's too late. By the time they received the message, they had already sprayed Lysol all over the trailer and emptied its contents into garbage bags. So, everything that was in there is now completely, you know, disinfected and also empty. So, there's no idea how to reconstruct anything. We're still trying to get the decomp out of it. But, you know. As of now, it's covered in lemon flesh. So, good luck with that. Now, in a previous letter to Mrs. Hadlock, Frida Brown explained that she, quote, kept her money hidden inside her 38 holster underneath the bed inside the camper. Okay. She had looked, Mrs. Hadlock, and found $500 there. Oh. So, she had 500 bucks in there. On May 16th, the police examined the trailer and its belongings. They do find blood in the trailer, and they test it, and it is Frida Brown's blood, which is what she said. The same day, the sheriff executes a SWAT team raid on the Towell Anglin campsite. They're like, God, we just wanted to be left alone. That's all we wanted. Just leave us alone. And an officer asked Towell whether Philip Baczarski ever mentioned anything about an old lady in Congress. Towell said he was surprised, because he didn't think it was true, and said, yeah, he said he killed an old lady for 500 bucks. I can't believe it's true. He also told the police that Baczarski was wearing khaki shorts and tennis shoes on May 10th, and then jeans and boots on May 11th. I have a feeling he doesn't change every day. When it's notable to an investigation that in two subsequent days, you have different clothes on. And he's showered, also. And that's a big deal. So, that's a lot to deal with, isn't it? The police never find the shoes or shorts, the tennis shoes or shorts, but when they search Baczarski's campsite, they discover a Levi's button and three eyelets in the campfire. So, he burned a shirt. Burned the pants? Or the pants. I meant to say pants instead of shirt. It's a sweet shirt. It's a sweet shirt, man. It's a sweet five-pocket shirt you got there. Based on statements made by Frank Sukas and Towell, officers search around a mine and a nearby cemetery in hopes of finding the K-Bar knife, which was last seen in the camp. It was seen by witnesses about three months ago, so it hasn't been around for a while. Oh, boy. The knife is never located, by the way. Now, subsequent tests show that blood found on his belongings was his own. Oh. But two of his fingerprints were found in the door of the trailer that Frida lived in, but they could not be dated, and he's known to frequent there. Yeah. He worked for her. He worked for her. So, May 15, 1995 is the autopsy. Okay. And then we find out what really happened. Uh-oh. They found at least 24 overlapping knife wounds to her head. Knife wounds overlapping stabbed the shit out of her head. Eight injuries resulted from deeper penetrating stab wounds. With the exception of one small stab wound on her right index finger, all the wounds were confined to the left side of her face. The doctor described one of the wounds as a fatal wound that would have rendered her unconscious within a matter of seconds. Wow. And he said, that all wounds occurred fairly close together and could have been in seconds or maybe even a minute between them. But absolutely brutalized. I can't imagine. Brutalized. So, obviously. 84-year-old woman. 84 years old. Just that many times stabbing in the face for no fucking reason. For $500. I mean, come on. For 500 bucks. Police suspected that Philip had used his K-bar knife, which was his favorite possession, and hasn't been seen. For three months. That's what they were thinking. So, they go back and they talk to Philip now. They bring him in because, you know, people have said that he said he did it and shit. So, he's a suspect. He. Frank drives him back to the area in which he was camped. And this is what he said happened. Frank dropped me off that night after the bar and all that and down the road from the camp. On the way back to his site, he noticed that the light in Frida's trailer was on and that her dog was tangled up in the bushes outside the trailer. He said that he continued to consume whiskey and beer at his camp while preparing dinner for himself. Which. Whiskey and beer. Which I see as just beans on a metal plate. It was brown and hot. Yeah. That's my picture. Couldn't tell what it was. Sitting around the campfire. After 10 or 15 minutes, he decided to go to Frida's trailer to let her know that her dog was tangled up again. Yeah. He testifies later on that around 9.30 at night, he knocked on Frida's door and that she, as she always did, stepped back to let him inside. And once inside, he said they had a discussion about whether Frida wanted him to unhook her dog from the bushes. Do you want me to get your dog out of the bushes or what here? He said he was so concerned with the way that she treated her animals because he had observed her dog tangled on four or five previous occasions and this sometimes prevented the dog from reaching its food and water. So he said that he. He doesn't remember what Frida said, but, quote, he just snapped, he said. He snapped. Whatever she said, it was enough to go, I'm going to stab the fuck out of an 84-year-old woman. Who's he telling this to? The police. Homicide detectives are sitting across. Guys with ties on. I'm a dog superhero. Yeah. Badges on their belts, those guys. Where there is injustice for canines, I'll be there. I will kill an old lady in a heartbeat. If a dog gets wrapped around a tree. Wow. So she said that, he said he snapped and stabbed her twice in the head, after which she, quote, sat back on her bed and leaned over to the side. He said he then lifted her feet onto the bed and gently covered her with a blanket. He says all he remembers is two stab wounds. Meanwhile, we know there's 24. He missed. Yep. He says that he panicked and wanted to make it seem as if it was part of a robbery, so that's why he stole money from her purse that was hanging on the door. That wasn't the initial thing. He was just like, oh, shit, I'll cover my tracks by robbing her. I did this in honor of that cop, but I had to make it look like it was something else. Because they'd never suspected the scumbag who never showers in the next campsite as someone being capable of robbery, right? Right. So he said that he locked the door of the trailer and returned to his campsite down the road. He says that he only stabbed her twice, but then when they show him evidence of, hey, this is the autopsy report, he then says, well, I don't remember causing the arrest, but I don't dispute that, you know, if the evidence says it happened, no one else went in there and stabbed her 22 more times, obviously, so I guess that's what I did. If they were there, then I did it. Then I did it. So he's in jail. Okay. Now, he's in jail, and with him in jail is a guy named Don Fields. Don Fields was arrested January 15, 1996, for not paying a traffic ticket. Keep that in mind. So they put him in jail with murder. which makes perfect sense, obviously. like you have a pie yeah um he was taken to the prescott jail which you know exactly where that is we've been to the yeah i've i got my process servers license at the courthouse there did you yeah because in phoenix it was like a six months wait to get the test and all this shit prescott prescott the next the next week and it's not like a in phoenix it's like a big formal thing and put your pencils down there's times and all this shit in prescott i went the lady the girl she was like a young girl and that worked there at the clerk's desk i went up she was like yeah okay gave me the test and i was like do you have to like watch me or where do i go she goes just go over there and do it i could have been on my phone i could she never looked up never looked at me i went back and go how long till i find out she goes i could do it now normally it's like three more weeks you have to wait in phoenix and she just went yeah you did great well you passed i was like okay that was it looks good like this is tremendous what a great day what a fun little old westy town yeah that's what it is i was walking around i ate at that burger joint there in the square by the park their place is delicious with the fixings bar there yeah i'm good so anyway not paying a traffic ticket she asked you if you wanted to get a prostitution license or anything while you're anything like that you want to maybe uh sell your ass around a little bit you never know whiskey row uh so now by coincidence this guy was put in jail with a person he helped capture the previous september oh what okay this person that he helped capture had taken a lady's purse at an albertson's in prescott and this guy had helped chase him down and tackle him and get this poor ladies but to me that gives you a pass on one part on a fucking traffic ticket you haven't paid yeah you know what i mean you tackled a guy for some lady's purse you did their the cop's job for them they can pay you in a free you know you ran so they didn't have to that's pretty amazing also the cops in yavapai specifically prescott are fucking white they are reckless with the ticket book they oh yeah they don't give a shit that's how they make fucking that's how they pay for everything around there they pull you over all the time now fields had helped to catch this person that became known in the jail so this guy's like oh that's that motherfucker that caught me so now everybody hates this guy who's in jail for a part of fucking traffic ticket okay um now philip is in that area of the jail and he approached fields and tells him quote i'm in here for murder and there's nothing they can do to me if it was up to me you'd be dead right now oh because he helped i don't think even in prison someone who like helped stop the mugging of an old lady would probably it wouldn't be like considered a rat you know what i mean yeah that's a different thing he didn't rat anybody just said don't steal from old ladies you scumbag and you're also in prison for murder because you you fucking ratted yourself out well he got talked to because someone else was in prison for murder because you you fucking ratted yourself out well he got talked to on him and he said i'm in here for murder because of a snitch like you okay that's what he said he made these statements to fields in a serious and threatening manner according to fields then uh he bacharski and a bunch of other inmates attacked him and beat him with weapons and beat the shit out of this guy okay uh so much so that philip is charged with and pleads guilty to kidnapping and aggravated assault with a dangerous instrument oh my god because of this so a lot of charges um so then he goes to trial for the murder because you know i think he figured fuck it i'll just plead guilty because i gotta have a murder trial now during this trial sucas here says that about frida brown quote she's 84 85 years old um she was laying on the side more in a fetal position on her right side arms between her knees in somewhat of a fetal position i seen all the wounds on her head and face which is why she's in a fetal position and she's in a fetal position and she's in a fetal position which were on the left side so a drunk who lives in the desert could see wounds but a cop coming in there goes our kittens must aid her face take the trail or take the crime scene go ahead that is unbelievable i mean if he does not cop to this they have yeah nothing on nothing other than he told a guy that he did it which if he shut the fuck up and never said anything to anybody there's no way they can catch him for they gave away the trailer they gave away the crime scene for christ's sake and it was mobile the other thing is like he huh i'm so flat i'm so mad this is wild right he so he had to have pled not guilty then oh for murder yeah he pled not guilty yeah after he'd said all the so he thinks he thinks you get to do that on behalf of a german shepherd yeah yeah yeah no that's and he's admitting it too he's admitting it he's just saying that he didn't do it to rob her that wasn't the point right i did it so it's not because she's mean to dogs yeah because she's a bitch that's why she's an old as he put it um now medical testimony they used a chart to describe the injuries identified in the autopsy they showed 17 incised wounds eight of which were deeper penetrating stab wounds in which the knife entered perpendicular to the surface with the exception of the small root like we said the index finger one everything else is on the left side of her head and face and she was laying on her right side which makes sense um the fatal wound entered brown's left ear and penetrated deep into the brain cavity where it contacted the foramen magnum of the base of the skull and would have rendered her unconscious within seconds and they said like the brainstem yeah brainstem four to five minutes after sustaining this her brain would have become non-functional right another deep penetrating wound entered the brain cavity and touched the base of the skull but was not necessarily fatal or immediately incapacitating the doctor described four other stab wounds that penetrated deep into the cheek muscle as not immediately fatal another stab wound that penetrated deep into the cheek muscle as not immediately fatal another stab wound that penetrated deep into the cheek muscle as not immediately fatal another stab wound broke her nasal bone another stab wound that penetrated deep into the cheek muscle as not immediately fatal another stab wound broke her nasal bone wow wow and other eight wounds were caused by slashing or and other eight wounds were caused by slashing or slicing motion made when the knife was nearly slicing motion made when the knife was nearly parallel to the surface of the skin parallel to the surface of the skin wow wow on cross-examination he said he wow wow on cross-examination he said he suspected all the wounds occurred within suspected all the wounds occurred within seconds maybe minutes between them he seconds maybe minutes between them he said that more than likely all the said that more than likely all the injuries were caused in less than one injuries were caused in less than one minute each of the frenzy yeah just a minute each of the frenzy yeah just a frenzy you wouldn't go back and golf frenzy you wouldn't go back and golf stab gonna go stab her more each of the stab gonna go stab her more each of the wounds identified an associated blood in wounds identified an associated blood in the tissue meaning her heart continued the tissue meaning her heart continued beating while they were inflicted the beating while they were inflicted the doctor could not tell in which order the doctor could not tell in which order the wounds were inflicted but testified that wounds were inflicted but testified that the fatal wound which would have been the fatal wound which would have been instantly incapacitating probably occurred instantly incapacitating probably occurred early in the sequence now one of early in the sequence now one of the things he is going for is diminished the things he is going for is diminished capacity he's trying to say he was super capacity he's trying to say he was super drunk and drunk and well you know you said things happen well you know you said things happen when you're drunk yeah I mean if you're when you're drunk yeah I mean if you're drunk that's okay I'm sorry you didn't drunk that's okay I'm sorry you didn't say you were drunk well let me loosen say you were drunk well let me loosen those cuffs for you you didn't tell us those cuffs for you you didn't tell us you were drunk they oftentimes forgive you were drunk they oftentimes forgive drivers when they're drunk oh yeah they drivers when they're drunk oh yeah they go he's drunk of course he's driving like go he's drunk of course he's driving like this yeah get him home of course he of this yeah get him home of course he of course he plowed into a bus full of nuns course he plowed into a bus full of nuns look at him he's face how who could look at him he's face how who could expect him to handle this yeah of course expect him to handle this yeah of course he smashed into that van full of special he smashed into that van full of special needs kids of course he did obviously needs kids of course he did obviously so several witnesses corroborate his so several witnesses corroborate his testimony that he is very intoxicated testimony that he is very intoxicated on the day of the murder the towel guy on the day of the murder the towel guy testified that he and Philip drank beer testified that he and Philip drank beer at the campsite on the day of the murder at the campsite on the day of the murder and Frank Sucas verified they stopped at and Frank Sucas verified they stopped at the Arrowhead bar on the night of the the Arrowhead bar on the night of the murder and that he ordered uh bourbon murder and that he ordered uh bourbon and coke and then a pint of whiskey he and coke and then a pint of whiskey he drinks maybe a beer a pint of whiskey is drinks maybe a beer a pint of whiskey is what he was drinking he ordered a pint what he was drinking he ordered a pint of whiskey in a bar yeah I didn't know of whiskey in a bar yeah I didn't know that was the measurement at a bar can I that was the measurement at a bar can I get a can I get a pint um so that's how get a can I get a pint um so that's how it goes the verdict comes in and they it goes the verdict comes in and they find him guilty of burglary in the first find him guilty of burglary in the first degree and first degree felony murder degree and first degree felony murder okay okay now they're going for the okay okay now they're going for the death penalty here I think they're like death penalty here I think they're like he's pretty useless and I don't think he's pretty useless and I don't think there's any rehabilitating him because there's any rehabilitating him because he was never at a point where you could he was never at a point where you could say we got to just get him back to that say we got to just get him back to that point he's always been a right scumbag point he's always been a right scumbag so sentencing big thing in sentencing is so sentencing big thing in sentencing is will they allow the jail assault to be a will they allow the jail assault to be a factor in sentencing well he did tell factor in sentencing well he did tell him they can't take anything from me yeah him they can't take anything from me yeah he did say that was part of the thing he did say that was part of the thing that they say to argue against life that they say to argue against life without is that there'll be a danger in without is that there'll be a danger in prison they're going to attack other prison they're going to attack other people they're going to attack staff people they're going to attack staff members they're going to they need to be members they're going to they need to be held isolated in death row and then held isolated in death row and then killed and that's it let's see we can't killed and that's it let's see we can't even even in jail they're too much that's even in jail they're too much that's part of it okay um so the jail assault part of it okay um so the jail assault would help prove that apparently they would help prove that apparently they said that the the evidence was relevant said that the the evidence was relevant to rebut the claim that he snapped and to rebut the claim that he snapped and murdered Frida Brown that's how they're going to allow this in because they say going to allow this in because they say you know he's saying the only violent you know he's saying the only violent thing I did I snapped and they're going thing I did I snapped and they're going well he was pretty he came up to this well he was pretty he came up to this guy and told him what he was going to do guy and told him what he was going to do to him and then did some to him the to him and then did some to him the state also argued the evidence rebutted state also argued the evidence rebutted the mitigating circumstance that he was the mitigating circumstance that he was intoxicated at the time of the murder intoxicated at the time of the murder because the assault on Fields occurred because the assault on Fields occurred while he was incarcerated and not under the influence of anything so it's not me it's the influence of anything so it's not me it's not only when he's drunk and or when not only when he's drunk and or when he snaps he just is a dick and likes to he snaps he just is a dick and likes to murder people or at least try to also murder people or at least try to also there is a they said that he's probably there is a they said that he's probably gonna put people up there saying he's a gonna put people up there saying he's a nice guy so we're gonna rebut rebut that nice guy so we're gonna rebut rebut that with this now his defense attorneys with this now his defense attorneys argued saying that the evidence should argued saying that the evidence should not be admitted because the state lost a not be admitted because the state lost a document that identified the witness to document that identified the witness to the fields incident making it difficult the fields incident making it difficult for Philip to investigate the statements for Philip to investigate the statements made by those who witnessed the incident made by those who witnessed the incident so the trial judge concluded that the so the trial judge concluded that the state gets an opportunity to present the field's information in the penalty phase. Due to the missing document, however, the trial judge held an evidentiary hearing to determine the proper scope of what evidence will be admitted. Oof. So the state was going to be limited to explaining his role in the incident, and that's it. Not that he started it or that he said all this shit. Just his role in the actual beating, they're allowed to say, but not anything else. So the defense continued to object to that, but they said no, basically. There's also a psychiatrist who says that Philip's mental state continued to deteriorate over time, quote, given his lack of psychological resources, appropriate psychosocial supports, and his worsening alcoholism, and that when he moved to Arizona in 94, he was at the end of his tether. And he also testified that he was, quote, pretty depressed at the time of the offense. Oh, that's, oh. Oh, he's depressed. Oh, well, then never mind. Hey, everybody, he's depressed. He's not feeling so nice. Feel free to dice up elderly. Yeah, just kill an old woman because of that. And also, her dog was wrapped around a tree. So if you put those two factors together, he had no choice but to murder her. Who would think he wasn't depressed? Living his life? Describe that man's life to anyone. Oh, I bet he's pretty depressed. I bet he's fucking depressed. So they said that the doctor said a guy like him and a depressed and inebriated state would have been much more limited than most people in his ability to control and manage his feelings and reactions. He said there's evidence to suggest that his emotional and alcoholic condition around the time of the murder affected not only his interactions with investigating police, but likely played a substantial role in the events that led up to the arrest for the murder. And also that the doctor said that Philip was concerned with the way that Frida treated her animals and that during childhood, he experienced a tremendous, traumatic event when his uncle killed his pet hamsters. That's Uncle Touchy, the molesty one. Right. Yeah. But also, you're not a child anymore. No. So the fuck what? And that's what the state says. That was 30 years ago or 25 years ago. That doesn't explain why you'd kill an old lady now. No. It's part of the rebuttal to that. So the doctor also testified that the people suffering from PTSD tend to lack the ability to control their impulses in very emotional or highly charged situations. And that, alcohol leads and adds to that limitation here. He said that his ability to conform his conduct to the requirements of law were impaired. And, you know, he said he was all fucked up, basically. But a voluntary intoxication or substance abuse can be a mitigating factor that supports certain findings. A defendant's claim of alcohol or drug impairment fails where there is evidence that the defendant took steps to avoid prosecution shortly after the murder or when, it appears that the intoxication did not overwhelm his ability to control his physical behavior. So he's got to be so fucked up, he has no idea. He could have just stumbled out, left the door open, left a trail of blood with like 20s behind it. That would have been, he's so fucked up, he didn't know. But he took money, locked the trailer door carefully and went back to his house, then burned his clothes that he was wearing. You know, I mean. And he was. If you're that drunk, you shouldn't even be really that capable of walking. That's the thing, exactly. So he said that he didn't. But he said he stabbed her and wanted to cover up the crime, so he considered burning the trailer. And then he just said, no, that's not a good thing. I won't burn the trailer. I'll steal money from her purse and make it look like a robbery. So that's. And the next morning, then he also lied about the source of money. So it's. He wasn't just out of his mind. So they said he did not prove his statutory mitigating factor with the intoxication. Also, the doctor said that his past, obviously, severely emotionally, physically, and sexually abused as a child, never had an opportunity for normal growth and development, and that the forcible rapes and beatings by Chuck Below, with whom he lived during his teenage years, caused significant emotional trauma, as it would, obviously, particularly because Below was one of the only adults who had ever provided for him. So he would feed him and make sure he had food and shit, but he'd also beat him and rape him. So. God damn. He also explained that Boczarski was given no resources to cope and deal effectively with the severity of abuse and neglect that he suffered throughout his upbringing. And, you know, he's got PTSD, basically. Both his parents were alcoholics, as were his grandparents. His father kidnapped state troopers. Need I go on? So his mitigators that he's trying to get are state of mind, physical, mental, and sexual abuse that happened to him, history of substance abuse and alcoholism, dysfunctional behavior, sexual family of origin, including multi-generational violence, criminality and substance, sexual, emotional, and physical abuse, abandonment, severe neglect, starvation, and foster care placement, the impact of the execution on his family as well. His sister, Carol Ann, who had lost contact with him after she died during the Poltergeist movie or after it or whatever. After that weird lady couldn't bring her back. After she was sucked into the television, said that she lost contact with him and that she testified that she wants more than anything to develop a relationship with her brother and is corresponding with him and their letters show that they express love for each other and also love for their father somehow. Yikes! Oh, no, no, not. I'm sorry. Letters written by his children showed they loved him. Love for their father. For what reason, I don't know. And they said the love of a defendant's family is mitigating evidence, the defense says, and also remorse. And he's going to prove he's remorseful by speaking. Oh. He says, quote, I would like to say to Frida Brown's family that I'm sorry for the pain that I've caused your family by taking the life of someone you love so dearly. If I could change one night of my life, it would be the night that I took Frida's life. If I could give up my life so Frida could live again, I would gladly do that. She didn't deserve to die and I truly am sorry for the pain and grief I've caused you and your family. Also, the mitigation specialist testifies that he does express remorse and has even attempted to write letters to Brown's closest friends to apologize. Oh, that's nice. And the judge said, you, sir, I got the gavel, you, sir, may fuck off death penalty. Wow. They found aggravators and not really anything on the mitigators except for a bad childhood, which they said, top shit, basically. You're 39 years old or whatever. Yeah, also a lot of murderers have kids, so. Yeah, that's the other thing, too. They have families. So, quickly here, 2001, he appeals and one of the major appeal points is the incident at the jail getting allowed in during the sentencing. Okay. So, the court affirms the convictions but reverses the death sentence that concluded that he had, they reversed it because he had inadequate funding for mitigation investigation. So, they didn't give them enough, they didn't give the defense enough funding for that. Oh. So, it's not fair. If the state has an unlawful unlimited open fucking checkbook to get whoever they want there and you say, well, you got 300 bucks to put together your case, it's not fair. It's not. And that's one of the problems of the court system is it's got to be fair and it's not. And some states have made laws and I think it went to the Supreme Court because I remember 20 years ago or something they were talking about it in Texas where the prosecution had like this crazy open checkbook on death penalty cases and the defense had like a limit of some crazy small amount of money where you couldn't get any experts or really fight the case at all. It was just your fault. You can't put up a decent defense against all of this. No. And that goes against obviously your right to counsel if they're counseled that can't actually fight the case. So, anyway, there's a big New Times article talking about how the Yavapai County in this area also, there was court cases about the fact that they don't get the shittiest, like the most, like the poorest people from Yavapai County. They say a lot of them don't show up anyway so they just stop like asking them to come to jury duty. These people aren't showing up to jury duty? No. So, they're basically saying like we stopped getting them so the defendants were like, well, that's, you can't just have people that are upper middle class or middle class. You need to have poor people. Yeah, exactly. It's not a matter of, but then the state said, well, we're not doing it on racial basis so there really isn't a difference but let's be realistic. Class is even bigger than race. Class is everything. As you get up, there starts to be less minority. Yeah. No, if you're at a yacht club and you're a member of the yacht club and a black guy pulls up and rolls Royce and gets out and has his fucking sailor hat on and his yacht club membership and goes in there, you don't look twice at him but if some fucking white trash guy pulled in there in an 87 fucking VW Scirocco, you'd say, get this scumbag the fuck out of here. You know, period. So, there is that. So, they said, it's no secret that defense lawyers, including myself on the particular case, would like to have a sufficient number of jurors from the lower economic class since affluent communities like Prescott and Sedona tend to dominate the jury pool. Sedona people are going to jury duty, huh? They're going. The Supreme Court of the United States also issued a decision that the judge, a jury rather than a judge, must determine if a criminal defendant deserves the death penalty as well and he was given it by a judge. So obviously that's going up for something. So now he has a new sentencing before a jury now. So this is before a jury. He wanted to re-impanel the original jury, and they said no. The judge denied that. So he now, before sentencing, Philip urges the court to limit the state's presentation of evidence related to guilt. And the judge ruled, with respect to the aggravation part of this, that the only testimony exhibits and evidence that are going to be admitted will be those that are directly relevant to one of three aggravating circumstances that have been alleged. Fields in jail, you know, monetary gain, and especially heinous and cruel. So those are the things. There's also risk assessment reports from jail that he puts forward mitigating circumstances. He says that dysfunctional family origin, all that shit. They say, you, sir, may fuck off death again. Got it again. Got it again. 2008, he appeals, contending that his constitutional rights were violated because he was sentenced before a jury that did not hear all the evidence that was admitted at the guilt proceedings. Now, all of this goes fine. They talk about the death qualified jury, which we've talked about a million times, and that's the dumbest thing I think ever, the death qualified jury. Because to me, if you did something really, really, really bad, and I'm not a huge death penalty guy, and I even say, fuck that guy, that's a death penalty. To get a bunch of people who are like, I love the death penalty, and then apply it, that's a hammer looking for a nail at that point, isn't it? Seems like it, yeah. Yeah, so, Sucas testifies and all this type of shit. They talk about mutilation, the heinousness and depravity refers to the mental state and attitude of the perpetrator. But they're saying this wasn't mutilation. The court decided this wasn't mutilation. This was all in one act. He didn't go back and cut pieces off her and do shit like that. That's mutilation. The cats did the mutilation. The cats didn't touch her, by the way. Those were all knife wounds. Oh, what? The cop was such an idiot, he couldn't tell a decomposing body with knife wounds from kitten bites. He thought they were kitten bites. Get the fuck out of here. Yeah, no, there was no kitten bites. The wounds on the face were the kitten bites. Wow. Yeah, that's fucking nuts. So, again, same old mitigation evidence. Twenty-two appeal points. It goes through everything. It doesn't matter. They reduce his sentence of death to natural life without the possibility of parole. And that is where he sits today forever in Arizona prison. So that, everybody, is Congress, Arizona, and a goddamn insanely weird, gross story. That was just insane. It's terrible. And not a story that gets any play, really, too. It's one of these things that goes underground. There's no sex involved. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 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