De comeback van de kakkers uit ‘Oud Zuid, Super Duur’ en de Wijersgate lijkt een Netflix serie

One of the six children is attending the war, like Jasmin. She has the strength to be a child again. Just like Sarah, Ismael, Sana and many others worldwide. Let the children be a child again. Donate now on boardchild.nl. Hello, every week I present, Kees van der Bosch, the green Amsterdam podcast. It's a conversation with a journalist, who publishes a speech making article in the groene. Why this story? Was it difficult to make? And who is the journalist? Every week, a good conversation in the green Amsterdam podcast. It's more expensive. Welcome to FZR, the podcast where we, Pern van der Brink and Dordje Schmidthuizen... ...tell you about the current developments within the time frame. A very short introduction. - A very new format. It's a short introduction. - We're suddenly in your field. We forgot to tell you about last time. - That's nice too. It's a surprise. - Plus. Very groundbreaking. - Yes, but it's really fun. For sure. - We're going to publish the episode twice a week. This new episode will be available every Monday, Wednesday, at 4 p.m. And we'll publish it on Friday, so it's just a win. Just more of what you already like. And for us, what I like about this new format... ...is that we can be more active. We often go a bit against that. We talk about things in the news and then they would be quite new on Thursday. And now we can really go on top of the news. For a bit of a look behind the screen. We normally take 48 hours before we go live. And now we take 4 hours before we go live. For hours before you hear this, it's recorded, so it's extremely cool. We're also going to talk about very active things. Something that our weekend actually has. - Weekend has management. Further, I wouldn't want to call it a youth trauma, because it's quite positive. But it's something that stays back. Something that's out of my youth. And what stays back. What I didn't expect. But what a lot of people like. - I'm curious about what that is. Yes, I get that. - I'm going to tell you about a new kind of fetish. That's something for me. I also like that. And after that, because that's also part of this new format... ...I have a very nice tip for the listener. Because now they're completely happy about... They're surprised by our presence so early in the week. But then they have to come here afterwards. It's a huge black hole. Until Thursday. - It's just... Thursday, four o'clock, you know how long that is. Almost three days. - Wow, you've already figured that out. Then you have to have a book on time. You can use something to kill time. And that's why I have a very good tip. Because we're going to do that every time in this episode. Are we going to share something with the listener? Have you already seen this? Have you already listened to this? Have you already been here? Just nice things to watch, listen to and see. I'm going to have this weekend with you. With this new format, of course, I had to be hyperactive. I thought, what does my weekend have to do with it? And there was one piece where I just enjoyed it. Yes, I was happy that you said it honestly. Yes, exactly. I knew that this was going to be a hit. I knew for sure that... - Everything we like and enjoy together in one piece. Exactly. And in any case, it's a love song for this piece. It's about the reconstruction of the people's side. About... Do you have to call it the Waiers' Gate? Yes, the Waiers' Realm. - The Waiers' Realm, I would say. No, I really thought... They did that very well at the people's side. What did they do? Yes, I had the whole affair of Waiers. Let me get you back to it. - A few weeks ago. So he became a formator for D66, and then he... He had to leave at last, but before that... ...he had to speak, because on a stage... ...on a debate evening in Amsterdam, he would have called Jessica Leugenaar. And he would have called her a fakes in a private... And after the debate was over, or it wasn't about Leugenaar... ...or if that was true, he suddenly came to the app. Yes, and the NRC did all that debate. So this whole piece felt like the people's side said... "Well, now we're going to find out a lot about it." And yes, you can find out what you want. That sort of feeling, intergrant feeling, let's say. But it always delivers the very nice piece, because this piece... ...was really like a Netflix show, wasn't it? I thought it was so well-built, with all the people who came up with it. There were about twenty successful men, or something like that. And then there was a sort of "cluedo" line, like... Who did it? - Who did it? Who did it, right? That was... - Well, that was clear, wasn't it? He didn't do it, but it was those noses. - Of course it was those noses. But I thought it was real, because the situation was... ...there were four men who thought there had to be a mid-cabinet. Because that's good for the economy, basically. That was their point. They had to invest in the climate and so on. And they also framed it as good against the polarization. Against the wilders, yes. So there were people who thought that was good. When those wilders went back to one of those men, like, I don't know if I saw it... ...with the Fakes of the VVD, or something like that, was it? Yes, he wanted to do it, if they were on the left. Exactly. And in that context, he said something about the Fakes of the VVD. That's what happened last summer. Well, he sent that message to that four-man app group. Four-man app group. So the whole use of the article... ...was that someone had to pull it out of the group. That can't be different. And they showed them so well how the structures work... ...and also how successful men are, underling... ...only to be the law, to know who is more successful. Who has more influence? That's what this whole... That's one of my favourite passages, which is described... ...how the form of a certain type of man is persuasive. I think that's also chosen very well. It's persuasive to have the feeling that they have political influence. And it shows so well how friendships, through LinkedIn, posts and so on... ...and indeed, the power that those people want, are completely broken. So that guy, Willem Seithoff, who you had shared with him... ...and he was very angry, because he had leaked it... ...he's just going on vacation with those females. So you go on vacation with each other, and then you let this happen. And what they also described, is that those females are going to post it... ...and are very angry with his influence on Jasselgus. And I really thought that was the building and the role. It was as if everyone was cast in a role. And in the role of the old guy who did it all. He was an ex-parliamentary member... ...who was also a member of the Jagermeister Borel Club. Where they all sat in, where Reinhold Oerlemans was also a member of the Jagermeister. But he was able to describe it so well. I've seen it so often from the guests who... ...I think it was chosen so beautifully, they're all good-natured amateurs. But they think that they have a lot of influence and they're going to talk... ...that they had lunch with Jasselgus once. So that guest said, "I know for sure that he did it. I know for sure." And look, what was actually so good about this article, I think... ...in fact, everyone wrote it for Sarah Berkoyon and Frank Hendricks. And I think there's been a lot of time. -I think so, too. Is that it shows so well how all these dynamics work. So we've talked about it before, but if NRC comes up with such a scoop... ...then there's something behind it, there's interest behind it. Who did that and why? And that's just so strong on this piece that it just makes it clear... ...that there are people who would rather not want to be associated with GroenLinksb. Because that's bad for the investment climate, that's bad for your advertising office... ...that's bad for the economy, they're convinced of that. And that makes this piece so good-natured. So also by saying that on the day that Waiers-Aftrad... ...it was completely like the most beautiful fan... ...in Café de Pieper, with the Jagermeister Borrelclub, to put on the show. And I think that it's just nice to see how Lobby is doing. No, that's really strong. I think the Jagermeister Borrelclub is going to change its name... ...and look for a different café to Borrel. I think so too. -I'm also a spin doctor for the Jagermeister Borrelclub. About the Jagermeister Borrelclub. I'm hugely fascinated, as I said, by the return of something... ...which I didn't expect. -From your youth. What do you think, when I say "outside", super expensive? Nothing. -No, I think it's about the health care system. Some other people think of a kind of very repetitive beat... ...and the text "super expensive", "super expensive", "fucking expensive". Oh, now it doesn't start. -No, it doesn't start. A bit of a day. -This is a hit. What is this? -This is the hit "outside" of the boys from "boven gemiddeld". "Boven gemiddeld"? -Yes. Maybe your father knows my father. Or is he under modaal? After our exams... -Of course, VWO. ...there were three students and one DHBO. Outside, super expensive, super expensive. I know this chorus. When was it? I think it was... -2008. This came out in 2008, so I was in the middle school. It was straight, but I was in the middle school. Did you like it? -I didn't like it. But I thought it was... These were just four balls from the boulevard. It was such a caricature. Because of these kinds of guests, there are a lot of them in Amsterdam. They come out of their bus and go to Amsterdam to study. And then they are a kind of beautiful cacke. They like that. They go to Gerardauplein, they go to Paartje. And they have a time of their lives. That's where the song goes about. And this was just a music group. This wasn't for the kids. This was a real... -No, I think it was a kind of joke. Later on, they said, "But this is a joke. These guys stay, but come back." They also said, "How is it with the interview with AT5?" I really... I watched it quite often. It's 12 minutes or so. So you're there too. But I think that sometimes AT5 can be a nice spot. So they went with the guests and they were... I think they were 35 or something. They went, "Well, you don't live outside yet, you know?" "No, we were just like young fathers or something." But then you think, "How often can you come back with such a song?" Now you have... -I have such a question. NS International has set him up for a campaign. A campaign where we say he's going to work on the South Island. Something like... They kind of messed up with that rhythm. Because that doesn't fit in the hexameter or whatever it is. But on the South Island, where we don't just live, but also work. It's a kind of crazy song. But then they see him walking over the South Island... ...and then they step into the international NS train to go to Brussels. And this is going crazy, Viral. Everyone thinks it's fantastic. Because they're like, "If I knew it, I would have liked it too." I thought it was smart, because I thought... This is a kind of new phase, I think, in a really big campaign country. There are now people from 28 or so, behind the buttons, or 30. And they understand, "Okay, do you want to achieve this goal?" In fact, 30 and 40 people who have a bit of money... ...and don't have to go with the plane, but with the train... What's the message of that campaign? - The message is, "Go with the train." And then they're in the first grade, and then they're made the second grade. It's all very exaggerated, but it's smart... ...because they appeal to a very strong group. Yes, yes, yes, yes. - That's why everyone who has a cracker identity... ...has something to do with it. We are your nice men, with an accent on the south-east. Maybe your son wants my son. From the golf club club "Kleuterklas". Normally I don't fly private. - But the euro is right there, okay? As long as you don't suffer from a full-time class of two. The stars are out. - Okay, we've got a bit of... I understand the message now, but I think it's done quite well. Because the news is about the station. Yes, the station is out. - Yes, and... ...quickly. - Yes, yes, it feels very... It's true, it's quite quick. - The station is out, it's also a relaxation. Don't you have... I always have, when I check the interviews of a group... ...the feeling that one person wants the most, you get it? You've got a group, and they've got a heart, and there's one guy in there. I'm not going to say who, but I've looked at this a lot and analysed it. And I have the feeling that one of the four would really like to go back to that time. And the rest is like, okay... - Probably, that person is probably... ...just in separation, has the pleasure of going back to the internet again. Yes, he wants to go back to the fact that they were allowed to train with their one number. Exactly, what are you going to do? - I don't know how much you're going to do. If that number is done, then... - One more time. Exactly, but we actually want people to do that. Have you ever been asked to take a picture of your feet? Yes, very often, seriously. - Really often? Yes, always when I'm angry on Instagram about a bikini or something... ...where you see my feet, I always do. But it's a scam, right? I've written a piece about it for the next page. - Oh really? Yes, people think, oh, making money, I'm going to sell my feet. They think, well, how annoying is that? Well, it's just your feet. But then they say, oh, yes, I'm making money through this payment link. You have to click on it and then you're scammed. It's really an ultimate... - A real meta scam. ...in your own identity, that you think, well, indeed, your feet are beautiful. And before you go, you're a thousand euros lighter. There's now an alternative to that... - Okay, tell me. ...to take pictures of your feet, and that's the hand-pick. Okay. - The hand-pick. Okay. - And it's quite funny. Because people ask each other for send-nudes, say, that's what people do. That's what people probably do. - Yes. And well, at some point, there is a greater awareness about privacy and data... ...and people say something more doubtful to send-nudes. Yes. - Then the hand-pick comes around the corner. Okay. - Because people are not per se... People don't get scammed for a hand-pick. - No. It doesn't feel too questionable to send-nudes. - Okay. And that's how they create a new kind of fetish... ...where many heterosexual women... But wait, sorry, how do you get here? Are you taking pictures of yourself? - No, no, no, I... How do you get here? - No, I'm not myself... No, I'm sitting next to my hand-pick. - You have nice hands. I'm always happy with my nails. I think that's nice. I care for men's nails, I have to say. - Yes, I think so too. But I came here because GQ wrote a lot about it. And there are groups on Reddit and other community platforms... ...where people share the pictures and are rated. But it's something that's played in heterosexual context for us. So heterosexual women ask heterosexual men to take pictures of their hands. Okay, so you just send a picture of your hand... ...or do you also take pictures of your hand with your hand? Nice question. - Okay. Nice question. Because it's about your hands, because they say... ...you can make an image of yourself when you see your hands. You also have a lovely account, SuperHands, that's what it says. And then you see fun... It sounds very cool right now. But it's just a lovely photo of a mother with a hand and a child. It's really very significant in the photos, isn't it? Oh, no, a hole where you always have to... - Yes, yes, I mean... By the way, that's really an announcement, SuperHands, nice account. But you have those hands, you ask about it... ...and it says something about that person. You can make an image of yourself. But what also happened when this trend came up... ...was the performative hand fetish photo. So the hand fetish... In fact, the rule is simple. Send a picture of your hand. - Yes. So you could say, put your hand on the table, I'll take a picture of it. But that doesn't do it. - Yes, you go flexing with a Rolex or something. For example, or you go flexing with a book. - Oh, yes, yes, yes. And all kinds of performative things came up... ...or flexing with the shoes you have on, that it's all... Oh, I really would like the hand nude flex with the book "Capitalism is Sexism". Would I like to come to my deal? - Yes, yes, I think so. I would say, red flag or green flag? I don't know, I doubt it. Look at me. - If you say that as the author of the book... Eva really says red flag, because it's too much to like, I think. No, I mean, that whole performative reading trend... Your book is indeed extremely suitable for that. It's small, you can take it with you. - Yes, it fits in the back. Just a small flex. - Yes. So it would be perfect in that way. Let's take a picture of your book with your hand. - Yes. The author of the book, her conclusion was... ...the hand feels like the real deal in these tough times. It's a very big conclusion. - Yes. She tried it herself, so she got a lot of hand pictures. And she found it more fun than she thought. So she was very fond of who it was. - Yes, it's mysterious. But if you're in a world of dick pics, it's a hand picture. That's half-poison, half-poison, of course. So it's a bit like, where do we come from? At the break of the day. - I'm already happy. That means you're old. - Yes, that you think, oh my God... ...she's taking a picture of her hand instead of a dick pic. What a great idea. - Let's get married, that's where I am. As announced, let's leave the listener behind with a tip. Yes. - An advice. A warm advice. - Something we've seen, read, listened to... ...what we found interesting. And I'm currently completely... How do you say that? To listen to? - To listen to. I'm completely in the listener's book. I really like listening to Spotify on Spotify, it's fantastic. Listening to it is very relaxing. - Yes, but it's so nice... ...that you can listen to so many books on Spotify. By the way, you also get royalties for that, if you want to. But there's also the autobiography, "I regret almost everything". But that title is from Keith McNally. He's a Horeca man from New York. Okay. - He has, among other things... ...Baltazar, Spastia, really big, very famous things. Institutes? - Institutes where you think... ...that they exist for 200 years, no, they've been raised by him. And I think the title of the autobiography of him is brilliant. That's the campaign. - Exactly. I think that books turn a lot about titles. For example, the book by Rutger Brechmann, "De mezen mensen deugen". That's also a good book, it has to be honest. I didn't read it. But I often received a gift from people... ...because everyone finds it a very nice book to give. Because it's very positive, you give a nice expression. Anyway, that book by Keith McNally... - What are the royalties? Yes, almost everything. But he writes it very nicely. It's really a great contribution of a young man... ...who grew up in a middle-class family, a working-class family in England. And he really wants to reflect on that, because he wants to be creative. He wants to do everything, he wants to be an actor. Eventually he'll be in that restaurant. But he just lets you see how his whole life, a sort of trial and error is. He really does what everything is going to miss. And at the same time, it's also going very well. But I often have the feeling that the autobiography is very... ...and of course all the podcasts in which people talk a lot about their business. "I'm such a great entrepreneur and look at what good choices I've made." He really gets into it a lot more than, "Well, guys, it's been so shit show with me." Always terrible. He also had a stroke. So that's where the book starts, that he can't do anything anymore. And then he looks back at his life. It might be a kind of nuanced biography. Yes, but this is not nuanced. This is just more of yourself, completely unmanned. I think it's written very well. Because the restaurants you've set up, they're actually copied all over the world by others. Yes, totally. In everything, right? In the form-giving, in the map. Yes, there's even a restaurant in Amsterdam. That's just what it's called. Exactly the same restaurant. In the day, too. Yes, he will have given away all the patents again, because that's how he is. He's very uncomfortable. But what he especially does is explain how his own head works. And that's so cool. So, for example, he writes, then, he's always afraid to get sick... ...and to die, actually. And then he has a doctor in New York. And then he goes there every year to get a check-up. Because he's very afraid to get sick. And what does he do then? He always goes there for a week. He goes to see the doctor with his whole body. Invited to Baltasar. And then he's completely fed up with all the expensive stuff. Because then he thinks, "I'll get a better result." That's what he thinks. I think that's so creepy and so invulnerable. And the other thing he does, too, is that at some point... ...he's also very afraid to get down, so by flying the plane... ...he always goes to the business class. Because then he thinks, yes, such a expensive card. We're definitely not going to the nurse. I think that's so cool. It's one of the worst places to sit. If you're a nurse, oh, is that so? Where can you... Yeah, yeah. Kind of halfway back. Okay. Well, good tip. You also give it away. But what he does especially, and that's where you get to the core of... ...why is he such a good advertising man... ...is that he describes very well how he... ...he has certain memories of eating. And that he actually says, "Eat well, eat well, eat well." He always talks about the context. He never talks about food. And he describes it at some point, then he's completely down again. And then he's just in the slaughter industry, he's going to work. Because as an actor, he's not lucky. And then he works on a kind of market, he really has pieces of meat in each other... ...he has to bite, really terribly describe. Yes, actually. And then he really has to start at four o'clock at night. And then he goes every morning at eight o'clock in the morning... ...he's going to eat a sandwich at Stramy. And then he says, "That sandwich is the most delicious one I've ever eaten in my whole life." So he says, "I've eaten in all expensive restaurants... ...but I'm not going to taste that anymore." And when you read something like that, you suddenly understand why someone... ...can make such a good restaurant like that. Because he understands that it's all about the atmosphere and style and feeling. Well, if you really want to go to Horeca, then it's nice to read... ...but it's also good for everyone out there, because it sounds great. Yes, it's like living as one big project, or one big art project that never ends. How old is this man? He's quite young, 65, 75, I think. But you have the feeling that he's really enjoyed it for 300 years. Really, really, really beautiful. I'll tell you, I'll tell you, I'm going to go home. And we're going to Donnerdag, have we also... We did something great. Well, I really liked it. Me too. I've been telling this to everyone for days now. Did you tell everyone that you pressed that button? Yes, certainly. Actually, my whole experience, what we did was... We went to the bridge at the Schipper. At the bridge Schipper, so the bridge between Amsterdam Central... ...and the Buxloterweg, where there was actually also the celebration of our three years. And the dance of our extra episode, our editors, Julia and Eva, have arranged that. Well, that was a party. And what we actually want to do about that bridge is... ...to investigate how the city is dealing with the increasing pressure. So that bridge is of course a very good metaphor for... -the end of the city. -Yes, the end of the city. Because you can see it very well there. You see it getting more and more. People have to wait for the bridge more and more. There are always more people waiting for the bridge. Let's also show them what kind of bridge people are looking for. Also very fun in itself. And what is the most fun to experience. Well, that and more have been investigated... ...for the release of the next Donnerdag. And a personal highlight for me was, you know what I'm going to say... -Of course. -...the pressure on the buttons. Well, at some point I thought we were going to ask ourselves... ...well, Joke, you know, are we going to be able to do that now? An idea that we might be able to do on one of these buttons. And you were like, can I also give you some gas, or how is that? But I thought you have one chance. Yes, but I thought so too, but I went to a very different place. I was subtle about it. I thought this is just brutal. I have to say, you were a better button-presser than me. Are you going to lower it again? That's what you can do. -That's exciting. This feels a bit like breakfast, so you're going to leave the animals in the wild. The cubs. -They can just go out. They can go out. -It's a state of being, isn't it, for cows? If they go back to work in the morning, they go back to work. Look, Joke, just give them their private life back. They come from work. They make them very happy. Can I do it? Yes, you can. I was pretty disappointed. -Yes, you were too empathetic. I thought everyone was going to leave. -I was very disappointed. You were like, we're leaving. -Yes, we're leaving, sorry. I was more like, oh, but there's still a mother with a child. I wouldn't go any further, but I was completely disappointed. The traffic on the island, you and me. -Yes, a lot of people in Spitz. A lot of people I gave up a lot of motivation for. But we're going to listen to Donnerdag. -See you then. What are we going to say? We're not going to say until next week. Until Donnerdag. -Yes, until Donnerdag. This podcast sounds fun, right? -Yes, absolutely. But I think it's even more fun than we do it. Okay, what about this jatter? -Great, they won't like it. Every Wednesday we jatter, Rijn van Duizendboden. And Max Bollhuys. -A podcast by someone else. So listen to Peter Goetgejatter on your favorite podcast. Or on YouTube. -Listen to Peter Goetgejatter on your favorite podcast.