David Parker Ray AKA “The Toy Box Killer”

Hey weirdos, I'm Ash and I'm Alaina and this is Moulvid. No it's not. What? It's something else entirely. Oh should I go? No you can say. That a poop. Did you miss me? I missed you so much. Ah if only gone for a week and Ash had to go ahead and be good at her job. Yeah like Sorta. You know I saw I was in New York. In New York. That's where Glyce engaged. FYI. I didn't really get to see anything like that cool because we stayed in not until like shit on Times Square but we stayed in Times Square which is like Wig and Taurus. I feel like you have to do that once though when you go visit New York. That's like the thing you have to do at least once. I literally like didn't go shopping like I didn't go anywhere except for class. Literally class and I went to we went out when we got there on Saturday night and all the bars the line was so long. All these like club promoters. Oh yeah. Like for the shitty clubs though and you don't want to go to. Kind of show imaginable especially in Times Square. Oh yeah. That was wicked fun. Well I'm glad you had fun in New York. I can't. We all just sat here waiting for you. Well I do have to say that I am a Boston girl and I like to New York but I don't think I could live there. No I love New York. Like John in my when we were dating like engaged even when we first were married we went that you remember. We went there all the time. That was like our trip. Yeah. We was going to New York especially during the holidays because I love it during the holidays. Yeah I want to go back during the holidays. It's just more magical. Yeah. It's like everything you want it to be during the holidays but so is Boston but like New York is just on a grand difference. Right because it's fucking huge. But every time we would go there we're like I love visiting New York but I could I I'm a Boston chick man. Well and I give people like mad credit that live there. It's it's a city fucking. Yeah. That's a tough city. So like if you live in New York props to you man. Yeah cool city because Boston is a lot less we're like a smaller more scrappy version of New York. Do you know what though I'm really fucking pissed at myself. Why? I didn't eat one ounce of street meat and I really wanted to. Like I was like I'm gonna get a hot dog and I'm gonna eat it or I'm gonna get like an Italian sausage or something. I am giving myself some vanilla on the strip. Yeah so help me god. God damn it but I've actually been eating really healthy and I was just gonna eat more of it. So do you know what I did instead like the trashy bitch I am. Oh no I didn't. Went to the 24 hour McDonald's. You know what I support that. I needed something needed. I support that. Hairdressers fucking party dude and I am learning how to keep up. See on tabsy technicians don't party a lot. I wonder why. It's not really like an ex well not that it's all exciting but it's not like a party like let's not party about the death of this person. Definitely no partying afterwards. No so I can't relate but I'm gel. This is fun but I'm a dead woman right now. You look great. Do I? You do for being a dead woman you look great. I used a lot of under eye cream. Oh that was a good call. Yeah I probably look I don't look like quasi-modo like I did the other day. I don't know if you ever look like quasi-modo. I totally did. I should have taken a photo of it. Did you get that surgery? No I'm going so- I'm a good fucking sister. Did you do that fucking surgery? I've been gone for two days if you got surgery. I feel like I've been gone for much longer. I know I feel like that too actually. No but I think like a few episodes ago back in June. Remember we mentioned that my two and a half year old had poked my eye and she's a fucking savage. Yeah she's a fucking savage. Well I've been having issues with it on and off ever since. So now I have to get some weird ass laser procedure to- because every ten now it's like every couple weeks I wake up in the morning and tear it open again just by opening my eye. That hurts. It hurts. It hurts. It's awful. Oh it's excruciating and I feel like a free to open your eyes every morning because I- you know I have a really high pain tolerance. Oh yeah. So this is by far the worst pain. Yeah fuck that. Because I and I like slowly will open my eye in the morning now and I have to put goop on my eye at night. Goop. Which I'm sure John is like loves because I'm like okay good night John and I look over my eye goop and- I'm like falling out. It's like when you have conjunctivitis. But I won't have to do that after I get this laser thing. Because the laser thing is gonna like fix- because the issue is that it's not healing. So it just keeps ripping open. Oh. This laser thing is gonna fix it I guess. But yeah so it's like wasmota for a little bit. That'll not happen again. And um oh you know what we have some patreon because you guys just keep getting better and better. You guys are the fucking words the tips. And we thank you so the rituals. You guys are the chesticles. You are the chesticles. We should add a tear called the chesticle. The chesticles. I was like maybe not that. Maybe not. We'll just have the chesticle. So don't worry about it. So without further ado. We have one evil onion added to the group. Heidi Smith. Things Heidi. Heidi the best. So we have some new members of the window latching coven. We have crystal L. Weiss Umbridge Sick. Yeah your name is sick. Your name is sick. And I probably said it wrong so I'm sorry. Again everybody correct me by all means. Um so thank you so much crystal. We have Madison Cachigee which is another cool name and I might have got it wrong but Madison you are a chesticle. Thanks. Man. So thank you. Uh we have Norma Aranda. I just think the name Norma's. I love the name Norma. Because I think I'm a norma cheeemaker. Wow. That was really fucking very very girl of us. So that was very girl of us. That was very valley girl of us. Very valley girl of us. So we have Joy Megala or Megala. Thank you Joy. You've been Joy's my life. I was gonna say you are such a joy joy. No I already said it. Well I said it too. Shut up. Shut up. You know what? Joy brought us joy so let's be joyful. Oh right. Yes. Yay. Yay. The next one is Erin brother 10 and Erin go bra. Yeah. I feel like you should have said bra. Go bra. Go bra. Go bra. Go bra. And the last member of the window watching cup and is Lauren O'Brien who is a close personal friend of mine and I love you Lauren. Thank you so much for supporting our podcast. Personal friends. And I love you. So thank you Lauren. If I mean I love you I probably love you. So we all love you. I mean I love. The whole morbid family loves you. 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And he has now joined the forces of the jagged little bitches. Thank you Cameron. Thank you Cameron. Thank you so much. You're the best. We love you. You're awesome and I believe you're from England and that's really red. Hip, hip. Cherry. Again I was trying to think of an English thing to say and I couldn't. Pip, pip, cheer you out. Exactly. See Ash nailed it. Thank you. Yeah. Oh yeah. Erin Breatherton wrote that she wants to be friends and we'd like to say Erin were friends. So that happened. So thank you. We are in our friendship. I have to mention guys how amazing you all were when because I was posting that negative review we got or in case something you guys didn't hear it. A summer random review I think it was from Australia which we love Australia still. In case people listening don't know what we're talking about. 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Was that thunder? - Mm-hmm. - It sounded like a boke. - But I think that's really all the business we had to take care of. - Well, I read this funny thing and I just wanted to go over it real quick before we dive into this week's episode, which is gonna be, woo! - Guys, I'm fucking off for this. - I was just fucking off for this. - But there's just some like quick little news thing I saw that I was like, wow, this is kind of funny. - And she didn't tell me who to watch. - I didn't tell us what it was. So I saw this thing where six flags St. Louis, there's this contest going on in October. - And I thought it was a pretty interesting contest. Our listeners might appreciate it. 'Cause I thought it was funny. So people are gonna be competing for $300 and season tickets to six flags and then like a few other parts. - But this is in St. Louis, I can't do it. - In St. Louis, yeah. And all you have to do to get this is spend 30 hours in a coffin. - Nope. - And you just heard her on like, bitch, what the fuck? - You said, yeah literally. So they're gonna be, like participants are gonna be chosen. And then they're going to spend 30 hours in a two by seven foot coffin. - No. - 11 from 1 PM October 13th to 7 PM, October 14th at the park. And it's like celebrating the 30th year of Wright Fest, I guess. - Wow. - And you're gonna get like that. - They said they'll get brief bathroom breaks, but that's it. The rest of the 30 hours you're in the coffin. - But if you have to poop, - I guess you got hold of it. - I guess you got to hold it. - And people are gonna get two, 2019 gold season passage and stuff, but then also, if two people last the 30 hours, 'cause like what if, you know, they're banking on one person winning. - Yeah. - If two people get it, then they do a drawing to see who gets the 300 bucks. - So you might spend 300 hours of not - For many hours in a coffin and not get your 300 bucks. - Fuck that. - You're gonna be pissed. But you also get to keep the coffin. - What the fuck would you do with a coffin? - You'd be like hanging up. - Yeah, let's just put it in the corner of the room. - Can I give some of these people a strategy if they're gonna try? - Yeah, go ahead. - Just take a little bit of fucking anvil PM. - You'll be out. - That's my secret. - It's fine. - Yeah. - They're not gonna test you. - I mean, I would never, I'm pretty close to phobic. I could not do this on any level. Putting me in a coffin is not a good idea. I feel like I just have to smoke a lot of weed beforehand. - I couldn't do anything to make this okay for me. - I would fall asleep if I smoked the right amount of weed or took a somatville PM. - So there you go. - But I don't know if, not for 30 hours. - Well that's the thing, that's a long time. That's a long time just to lay down anyways. But yeah, I just thought that was an interesting little tidbit. And in a, what if somebody like snuck sedatives? - Snuck sedatives. Is that what you get out of that skull? - I wonder if they drug test you before you get in the coffin. - They're like, listen, Linda. - You have to be clean. - I fucking know. - It's like the Olympics. - That you took the shit. - Listen Linda. - I know you have the scissorpe. So just leave Linda. Fucking save this for the real heroes okay. - The real heroes. (laughing) - Oh fucking Linda. - Fucking Linda man. - And speaking of Linda. - Oh. - This has nothing to do with Linda. I was like, oh, I'm just mean to do that. - Oh my god look at this. - What about that seg what? - Let's just, let's, let's say what our case is today, which Ashley didn't know what our case was today. So she's gonna be taking this journey right along with you guys. - Oh and you guys are excited, but I'm not. - Let me just tell you, this is going to be scary. - An experience. - You might as well just go spend 30 hours in a coffin instead of listening to the subject. - 30 minutes. - We're gonna be covering the toy box killer David Parker Ray. - I'm scared. - We're gonna be doing this in two parts because the more I went into it the more I just realized there's way too much that I don't want to leave out. And it's just you need to know the whole tale here. And it's a lot to take in. So I don't want to make it this big long up. So that you have to digest in one serving. So we're gonna, we're gonna keep this out into two. - Alcar. - Now I'm gonna go ahead and put this, I will remind you as the episode goes. - You have a discussion as a buzz. - To get into something rough, but I'm gonna put it out right now. This is a very disturbing case. There is a lot of descriptions and mentions of sexual assaults and rape and torture. So if that is not something you are into, I fully get it. - This reminds me of when I turn on like a show on HBO and it's like this program, it's like a team subject matter that is not, we need that, we really do. - What do they say not warranted for all viewers? - It's not recommended for younger audiences. This is definitely not recommended for any young audiences at all. So yeah, if you don't feel like this is something you're into, we'll give you something else soon. - 'Cause we'll probably, we'll try to get the second half of this out soon. So don't worry, we'll come right back around something a little more jaunty. - Yeah, next week we'll have to do like a nice murder. - We'll do like a nice murder. - Yeah, you know, like flowers. - Like a fun murder, yeah, flowery one. So here we go guys. - No. - This one is truly a hold onto your butt smaller. - I have an hour to drive home, you fucker. - Yeah, this is gonna be rough. So. (laughing) Now I think, I'm astounded that a lot of people don't know this case. - Including us. - Yeah, and a lot of even like true crime fans will like find that they're, like 'cause I remember I was listening to this on last podcast on the left like years ago, or like a year ago or something. And Henry was saying how he didn't know this case. And Henry is like a big serial killer. - To know. - Henry is a big serial killer. He's a big serial killer. He's a big serial killer like aficionado. - So yeah, this is one of those that's like a really deep, you have to be really, really, really into true crime to know this one. - It'll feel bad if you don't know it. - I'm surprised he's not bigger in like more, like, 'cause this guy is top three at the least. I mean, he is an Amarica or other places too. - I mean, ever. - I mean, he's depraved beyond your wildest imagination. - I don't want to. - I like to think of him as part BTK, part Robert Bordella, part Buffalo Bill from Sounds of the Lams. - I would like, don't with a little jigsaw from Saw thrown in. And he's like kind of living the real life version of the Fire 5 family farm on House of 1000 corpses. - Wow. - Yeah. So again, it's gonna be rough. - No. - Let's start, shall we? - No. - David Parker Ray. - Sounds like a fucked up dude. - Sounds like a country music star. - Yeah, he actually does. He was born November 6th, 1939 in Belon, New Mexico. - Oh, that means he's a scorpion I think. - There you go. - No. - Maybe I'm wrong. - I have no idea. I'm a Capricorn, that's all I know. - Yeah. - David was created, he did have an abuse of childhood, but he was created by a different kind of abuse. - A scary kind. He was the product of severe neglect in childhood, okay. - Which a lot of psychologists actually believe neglect is actually has worse consequences on consequences on a child's development than more like aggressive. - He was constantly passed around to different family members and basically his mother didn't give a shit about him. He mainly spent a lot of time with a super aggressive and pretty abusive and stern grandfather. - Oh, I was fucking right, he has a scorpion. - There you go, he's a scorpion. - A scorpion. - This bitch is crazy. - As a result, he retreated to writing in journals for hours at a time, which comes back later in his life. - That's too long. - And he really relied on a fantasy world. - Fantasy was a huge thing, which happens in a lot of these cases. These dudes end up just retreating into a fantasy world. Now his dad was an abuse of alcoholic who was never around. He would just drift into his life every now and then. And when he drifted on in, he would just show up, he'd be a dick, he'd beat everyone up, then he'd just leave a bag of magazines. - He likes for David. - Thanks for coming, bro. - So nice to see you. - Oh, we got magazines. - Did you bring them this time? - Thanks. - Time to be in the face, just leave a magazine. - Well, and now these weren't just like highlights magazines. - A lot of you leave them with porn magazines. - And he's definitely this. - Oh, too. - They were torture, sadomasticistic porn magazines. - Like, what? - Images of women being bound and tortured and beat up. - How old was he? - When he was dropping these off. - This was from when he was young. I've been told to be such a-- - He's up for you. - Yeah, like, here's a bag of SNM magazines. - Not even just like a Playboy magazine? - No. - They were like fucked up magazines. - My dad's not a regular dad. He's a cool dad. - He's a cool dad. He leaves me sadomasticistic porn magazines. - Yeah, they're second graders. - Yeah, my dad brings me into the face. - My dad brings me into the face. (laughing) - We have different childhoods. (laughing) - My dad packed me cups with brownies. (laughing) - I love it. - I like that we both just said things at the same time and it described perfectly who we are as people. - My dad brought me to the baseball game. - I'm like, "Mom, I'll pack me a twinkie bitch." No captain couldn't slurpee, but it's high. (laughing) - We're gonna need this, we're gonna need this, this attitude going forward. (laughing) - Now this kind of porn and this kind of fantasizing became an obsession for 'em. - Good, like most other ones we spoke to. of it really shaped his ideas of sex and women. Makes sense. Now he was actually kind of bullied at Mountaineer High School in Mountaineer New Mexico where he attended because he was super shy. He like withdrew into himself. Which is sad. Why did people just not leave shy people alone? Well that's the thing. Or just be like, "Hey, wanna eat lunch with us?" It's just like they have a loan. They don't talk to you. So he was especially shy around girls because like what fucking basis did he have for learning to speak to girls properly? He was like, "Hey, can I tie you up sometime?" Literally, can I tie your hands by your back? And like the fifth grade. The fifth grade. So because of all the awfulness in his childhood and the porn he was devouring way too fucking early. His sexual fantasies were mainly things you know like raping, torturing and even murdering women. That's like how he figured he was gonna get his jolies off. Sorry, where was his mom again? His mom was just like, she just like didn't give a shit about him. She was just outstretched. She didn't really raise him. So it was around this time that his sister ended up and we'll talk about her later because they did talk to her when they caught him later because spoiler alert, he got caught. So his sister discovered his drawings that he used to draw and he carried this in the later life too. No. He used to draw women like tortured and tied up and beaten and murdered. That was his thing and she found them and she also found some erotic photographs of bondage acts. No one did anything because no one gave a shit. Now after he got out of high school he worked as an auto mechanic and he also attended the army where he received an honorable discharge from it. He worked as a general mechanic in the army. He ended up marrying and divorcing four times. Damn. Shocking. He had two children. They're like, yeah, stop tying me up. Yeah, like I'm not into this. They're like, I have no feeling in my wrists anymore. Could we fucking have an illusory? Yeah, like can we just make love? David's. Oh man. He's like fuck you. No. Okay. So one of his children was a son who he named David Jr. Oh. And he and him. Yeah, no thank you. Fuck that. They talked to him later too. It's really sad. He's like, I changed my name. And he also had a daughter who he was pretty close to. I don't want to know anything about that. What do you mean Ray, who they called Jessi? Dolly Calder. Jessi? Are they from South? Well, we're in New Mexico. Do you think they called her Jessi? Or do you think they actually just called her Jessi Ray? No, I think they were like Jessi. Jessi? Because you can't say Jessi Ray. You have to say Jessi Ray. You have to say it. It sounds like just a Ray. You can't just be like, oh hello Jessi Ray. You have to be like, Jessi Ray, where you at? You're making my stomach turn a little bit. Sorry, Jessi Ray. All right, so Jessi Ray. And he ended up after he got out of the army and started being an adult. He started working as a park ranger mechanic in the Elephant Butte State Park in New Mexico. Elephant Butte? Yes. It had spelled Butte TTE. Elephant Butte? Elephant Butte or Elephant Booty. But it's cute. No, it's Booty. Elephant Butte Park. He was known by his co-workers and people. And people. Super chill though. Like literally these people, like what I'll get into it later, how shocked they were. Like his boss, and I'll mention it again later because I'm sure you'll forget. But when he got arrested, his boss put him on paid leave because he, that's how much he believed in him. Like he was like, no, this is crazy. He didn't do this. He's coming back. Wow. Yeah, so he really, they said he was super charming, pretty quiet, but not like too quiet. And everyone said he was the guy who literally went out of his way to do favors for people. Like he was like a reliable dude and he would help people out. And he also apparently threw like insane parties a lot. I mean, I'm always down for insane parties. Which ass is like a hub. I'm on board. What's Parker? I'm a hairdresser, I can do this. I'm a hairdresser, all the time you're party is kidding. You don't want to attend to his party. So clearly no one knew that he also happened to be one of the rarest types of sinister personality types, which is a sexual sadist. Oh no. This is someone like Ted Bundy, for example, who can literally only get off by having another living person being tortured or put through some kind of immense pain and suffering. You imagine if that was the only way that you could do your thing. And apparently there was a thing where they found out that he had contacted like someone at Viagra, customer support when he was like a teenager. Because he couldn't get off. And he knew because he asked them if Viagra would help him achieve interaction without having to hurt someone. And Viagra was like red flag. And Viagra was like, "Sorry, the connection's really bad." [laughter] Oh, it's probably what happened. And you know when they're like, "We're recording your call for customer service." They were like, "Did you hear that morning?" No, okay, bye. Bye, little David. But yeah, he literally wanted to find out. So that's how bad it was for him when he was like a teenager. He was like, "Can will this help maybe normal, achieve a normal?" That makes me sad. Because like he literally cut it. He was conditioned. I mean, you don't have to go and fuck it. And he was literally being like, "Will this help me just have sex with someone without hurting them?" I'd be like, "No, but a psychologist might." I'd be like, "I need to go." It's been a lunch break now. So the other person that's gonna be involved in this case is a little lady named Cindy Hinde. Shut the fuck up. Shut up right now. No. Cindy Hinde? Shut the fuck up. I'm Cindy. Cindy? Yeah. So Cindy Hinde. Shut the fuck up. Who does that mean? It's his, uh, in much younger girlfriend. Oh, how much younger? Participated in some of this. She's not crazy younger, but much younger than him. So Cindy Hinde. Shut the fuck up. That's her last name. Her first name is Cindy Hinde and her last name is Shut the fuck up. It's hyphenated. Yeah. So Cindy grew up in a nightmare as well. Yeah, 'cause her fucking mom named her Cindy Hinde. Yeah, it's like, come on. Nightmare on Day 1. She was born on February 6, 1969 in Seattle, Washington. Mm-hmm. Uh, she was pretty much ignored throughout her childhood by her beauty pageant obsessed mother. Oh, no. Her mother didn't put her in beauty pageants. She herself wasn't beauty pageants. So it wasn't like a honey booboo child? It was not a honey booboo child. It was not a Cindy Hinde child. She could have benefited. She could have. She could have had a TLC specialist in Puse Puffs. She could have used that. But yeah, she just didn't pay attention to her. She was psychologically and sexually abused. And at one point, throughout her childhood, her stepfather sexually abused her. Yeah. Alistair. And at 11 years old, she finally got the courage to tell her mother. And her mom did her mother. Her mother. The stepfather was like, I didn't do that. And her mother decided to choose the stepfather and kicked her out of the house at 12. Where you go? So your 11 year old comes up to you and is like, yeah, the dude you married has been sexually assaulting me for years. And you're like, yeah, I think you should just leave. Like you little 12 year old. You little 12 year old. So she ended up on the streets of Seattle at 12 years old. And she started dealing and doing cocaine pretty young and being just a super violent human. She's a 12 year old. She's a 12 year old. Pretty much. She went through a ton of awful violent relationships with dudes. And she was tiny at like 105 pounds. She was doing fucking coke all the time. But she was apparently like pure muscle. Like everyone who knew her said she was fucking pure muscle. Or she just had a co-bergial of the time. And he said probably. It's probably a little mixture. She was just lifting cars everywhere. And several people close to her at different times in her life, including ex-boyfriends, said she could easily be a 10 year old. And she could easily beat the shit out of a 250 pound person. Well, good for her. Yeah. I mean, well like now. But she did end up having a son at 16 years old while living out on the streets. And by her late 20s, she ended up having two more children, two daughters. Oh, wow. And by two to three different dudes. Yeah. So she obviously couldn't take care of them because like why are you having kids while living on the streets and doing copious amounts of cocaine? I don't know. But so when the youngest was like 10 years old, she just sent them away to live with their grandparents. Her mom? You know. The really good grandparents. Her dad, that. Yeah, her dad. Yeah, her dad. but her daughter. You know, give them a proper home. A plus child. So, in 1997, she got in some deep shit for selling cocaine to an undercover agent. Oh, no. So, this was at around 37 years old. Oh, no. So after this bus, she was ordered to take a drug course and she wasn't going to do any of that. I was like, let me tell you, I know a lot about drugs. She's like, you know what? I'm not even sure. She's like, I could teach this course. Exactly. So after bailing on her kids, she left Seattle for New Mexico. And she became like a huge bar rat and just a piece of shit by this point. So, she got busted for a DUI and was sentenced to 30 days in jail with six months probation and 50 hours community service almost immediately. A plan. Arriving at Truth or Consequences, New Mexico. Okay. That's the actual name of the town. Truth or Consequences, New Mexico. That's crafty, right? I guess it was named after like a radio show. It was a fuck. Yeah, that like said, if a town named their, themselves after their race. show they were broadcast there or something and today were like yeah sounds like good idea. It becomes very ominous when a serial killer starts doing his thing there. So she performed her community service at the state park where one David Parker Ray worked. Oh and he was like look at that cute little santa hint. This is where she met him. And they became regulars at the blue water saloon which is a place where a lot of you know bar were lots of locals and park and parks employees hung out regularly. Sounds like a lifetime and they hit it right off. Because one of the biggest things they shared was a love of sadism. Oh she liked that too. It's a real love story. Yeah it's a real love story. This is the original notebook. They just like re-script the whole day. They tweaked it a bit. Yeah but it's basically the same. So by January 1999. They're like sending him to this work for the the female role. We're gonna change her to Ali. You know I had no idea what that girl's name was. I was gonna say instead of Cindy Hindi it's but I forgot I didn't know Ali. I saw that movie once. I think it's Ali. I have no your I don't have no idea. I hate that movie. I'm pretty sure it's Noah and Ali. I think the notebook is a terrible movie. I'm not a huge fan either. I don't hate it as much as you do but I saw it once and I was in high school. I used to watch it if a boy broke up with me and then I was like what am I doing? Jaining boys. What am I doing? Jaining boys. I love it. So by January 1999 Cindy moved into David's house of horse. Good. They were only together for eight months when this thing is all said and done. Dan that's not a lot of time but they the love story remains. Okay so Cindy and the Indian David Park are alive and together in this house. David Park are they did his thing for which we're gonna get into. For what authorities believe could be like 40 years. Wait how old was he? He was like 67 I want to say. So he started when he was I don't know a teenager and they believe in that time he may have kidnapped tortured and murdered somewhere between 40 and 60 women. What the fuck? So he's like prolific. Now why do they feel so sure about this? Because David Park are they kept detailed meticulous diaries all through adulthood. He started that shit and when he was young to escape his household and his family and he continued it. Now he didn't just keep diaries of like today I had eggs Benedict and a very weak cup of coffee. Your girl loves an egg spenny. I had no idea. I don't love a week coffee. No I hate week coffee but his diaries were records of his crimes that included dates times locations of where the kid now. So like a fucking confession. And literally the victims with detailed descriptions of their stay in his house of horrors and the torture he inflicted upon them. Oh so he stayed in his they stayed in his house. Oh yeah so she she didn't know she had no way out. Oh yeah trust me. Oh I don't want to do this. You're here. You're here you're with me. This is like when you show up to school because you think that you have like a cool assembly and then you get there and it's like you like I don't want to be a part of it. About like not smoking weed and you're like why are we here? This is your assembly about not smoking weed. This is your assembly about not torturing you fellow human beings. Exactly. I'm like okay I'm not gonna. Well who would not just describe in detail what he did to these women and how he took them and everything. He would write about whether they were turned loose after he tortured them or whether he was killed them but he never wrote where he put the bodies. Wait so he would turn people loose. Some people he let go. A lot. And you'll find out why more of them didn't come forward or or even know in sometimes what happened. Did you know what? Oh God. You're gonna get intense. He never wrote where he put the bodies. Now this guy he was he was smart. I mean he was he was a little bit better. He put together a lot. He could he could build things like you know he and he could engineer things very well and he was just smart about what he was doing unfortunately and no bodies have ever been found in this case. Ever? But it's because one he never wrote down where he put the bodies into. He lived next to a large expansive desert which will get into it a little bit and one of the largest man-made lakes in the United States. So did they check the desert and the lake though? Many places to put those bodies. Well they did but they can all you can only check so much out. Yeah it's like you can't get every square inch of the desert. So he was also as we'll get into a little bit. He was also he was a drifter for a while. He didn't stay in one place for a long period of time. So let's just let's set a scene. Okay. On March 22nd 1999 at 3.22 pm 9.11 operator in Sierra County, New Mexico received a kind of weird call. It came from a residence in the area but the caller wasn't responding when she answered the phone. All she could make out was what was clearly like a scuffle and a fight happening and the phone was clearly off the hook. The caller eventually hung up but the operator was like all right something that's weird. So she called the number back. A woman answered and she was annoyed out of breath. It's clear. Someone was going on and she told the dispatcher that she had accidentally phone 9.11 and that everything was just fine. And then it was hung up really quick. So the dispatcher had her instincts firing at fucking maximum velocity that day because she was like nope. So she called the local police. She reported the situation and she requested a welfare check at this address. So it was deputy David Olston that was sent out to 513 Bass Road. Located in Elephant Butte, New Mexico. Elephant Butte. Elephant Butte, New Mexico. I want to live there. No, I don't. Now truth or consequences or T or C is what the locals call it. It's tiny, very tiny. It consists of mostly trailers with dirt roads. Are we moving? Yes. To truth or consequences? Yes. We're just leaving. We're just going to like take off. Up and go. Yeah, we're just going to have a break. So let's do our first live show there from truth or consequences in a trailer. Hey guys, we have Jess Array with us. No, we don't. We did not. Oh, thank you. So it sits along the vast Chuchuun Chuchuun Chuchuun Chuchuun Desert Chuchuun Chuchuun Chuchuun Chuchuun Chuchuun Chuchuun Want to sponsor us? I'm out of it. Awesome. So that desert is the third largest desert of the Western atmosphere and the second largest in North America. Oh, correct. Just after the great basin desert. Geography. It offers the more depraved among us a lot of caves and just wide expansive nothingness to hide terrible things. Freaking great. So that's good. So side note, elephant butte is tiny with a population of like maybe a thousand people or so. And it's supposed to just be like a chill place that people go to like retire. All right, what happened? We answered the door at the welfare check. Oh, that's coming. I don't care about geography. I dropped out of college. I'm sitting. I'm sitting a scene. It's very close to elephant butte lake, which is that big lake I was telling you about. Verse. And if you don't run into David Parker Ray, it's a great place to retire like I was saying. All right, cool. It also sits next to elephant butte state park, which is the largest state park in New Mexico. Where David Parker Ray was gainfully employed as a state rate park ranger and a mechanic. Probably want to go there but there's dead bodies. Yeah. Oh, for sure. So we're going. We're not there yet. Is that at the end? No, it's coming. So, well, while this deputy Olston is on his way here to the residence. Yeah. Okay. Two state park employees, Christa Gassi and Michael Landford here that some stuff is going down on the police radio that they had in the office. They just set off to offer deputy Olson assistance. Oh wow, together. So they were he knew they knew he was doing the welfare check. They're like half no fear Parker. I'm just here. When they got near the address, they noticed that there was a car pulled over to the side of the road. Da, da, da. There was a woman standing there and she was waving down their vehicle. And when they when she came over and started to speak with them, she was upset. She was flustered. And she said she had just seen a naked woman covered in blood with a chain around her neck running down the road. What the fuck? Yes. They had this woman that was telling them this stay where she was. And since more police were coming, they just left her there and were like, you stay here police are coming. You we're going to go to where this is because it might be connected. So they ended up being the first to arrive at 513 Bass Road that day before deputy Olson. Now this house was exactly what you're picturing in your brain right now. Yeah. Like guaranteed. It was sitting behind a mental, metal chain link fence with a beware of dog sign on it. Oh no. Which nobody technically hurt. I'm not going to mention a dog being heard or anything like that. But later probably in episode two, this one fucked up shit with the dog. No. Just warning. So I didn't sign up for this. I know nobody did. Right in front of the fence was a wooden sign like the kind you would see marking in state parks. And it said David P. Ray, 513 Bass Road. The house itself was gross. Dirty, ramshackle, fucking single story place with a flat metal roof. Yeah. I'm just like a scary ass Texas chainsaw massacre. Like house hunters. 100%. I'm looking for this. So I'm looking for this. My budget is $6. My budget is this old shoe. (laughing) - Around it was just like shit. There were just piles of garbage, remnants of semi-truck trailers, both like old-ass boats, sheds, were like decrepit everywhere. - Like Davey Ray, clean up your shit. - Like Davey needed to get it together. But when Degassian Landford came, like they walked up to the house, they knocked on the door, no one appeared to be home. While they were waiting for the police to show, something else came through. - No. - The scanner. - 911 received another call that a naked, bloody woman with a chain around her neck was running down another road in the area. - Why didn't she knock on anyone's door? - Well, she was trying, but most of the door, she knocked on no one was home, and then she was trying to get into people's cars as they pass it, like trying to flag people down, but people were like, - Can you fucking imagine a naked, bloody woman trying to get in your car? - Well, that's, it's like, you gotta look out for number one. - That's like a, like, do you just stop? - No, I'm sorry. You don't help people, I'm sorry. That, no. - Yeah, 'cause you don't know, girl. Like maybe she's just trying to tell her. - I'm gonna report it. - For sure. - Oh my god, that's like the fucking lady I drove by. - Exactly, you're gonna report that shit, like right away. - Yeah. - But you're not coming in my car, girl. I don't know what you're bringing. I don't know what's following you. - No. - That reminds me of the movie "The Follows". - And I feel really bad. - Yeah. - So, definitely, Deputy Olston, they're listening to this 911, they're like, what the hell's going on right now? - Yeah. - Why is this happening? - I'm on the edge of my mother's fucking city. - So Deputy Olston finally arrives at the residence. DeGassey and Lantford told him that no one seemed to be home and Olston was like, what the fuck, someone just called 911 from inside of this residence? - Oh. - Was it the naked body woman? - A few minutes ago. - Well, was this in the head? - Let's see. - Call me. - So, in the head. So Sierra County Sheriff's arrived on the scene now. And the four of them were like, let's just search the perimeter. So they searched the perimeter of the home and then they entered because they were able to be just to make sure no one was in there. Like a needed assistance. That was their like probable cause to get in there. They didn't have a warrant yet, so they couldn't do a full search. - Oh shit. - But no one was in there. They did find some interesting stuff. Tell me. Every window was covered in a heavy dark shade. They kept all the light and visibility out of the house. Sounds like my room. The living room contained was like, dirty, dark, just shit on the floor, like just awful, like hoarder style grossness. - Sounds like my room before I moved out. - Exactly. Hopefully the comparison stops here. - Okay. - The living room contained a bed in the corner of the room, a weird out of place bed. - Okay. - There was broken glass around it and a broken lamp in there as well. - Yep, nope, don't have that. - More horrific was the fact that the mattress was completely stained in blood. And there was a bloody ice pick laying on the floor next to the bed. - What's a nice pick again? - It's what they used and I know what you did last summer. - Right, we talked about this. - And it's what they used like when berries trying to scare - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Max wire, remember all these names and he like, - Yep, got ya. - So now in each of the four corners of the bed, there were shackles and padlocks arranged in a way that would keep someone spread eagle if they were attached to them. Above this bed was a pulley kind of system where chains and hooks were dangling from. And against the wall near it was a human sized box that resembled a makeshift coffin. When they opened this box, there were restraints and shackles in it clearly to hold someone in there. - That was just the six flags thing. - Yeah, that's awesome. - Like they were just ahead of this. - Right, yeah, I got it. - They were just giving them free tickets as well. - They were just giving them season passes. - To six flags and $300, okay? - If nobody else wore one of those flags. - They were the only winner. - Probably shouldn't compare people's fucking struggles in this house to that, but comedic relief house to that. - You know what happened to the camera? - The camera is necessary here. - Now obviously a scuffle of some kind happened here, but like what the fuck was this bed and all the shit around it? - I couldn't be a police officer 'cause I'd be like, you know what, buy. - I'm like, I retire. - Yeah. - So, one. - Another look around the room revealed a pegboard on the wall, like a court board. - Okay. - Before you put like your fun pictures and your door, your bulletins. - Or what was there? - On it were a bunch of hanging torture devices. Most appeared to be like DIY jobs, like jagged scrap metals. - You know, like things you find out Pinterest. - Yeah, you know. And when I said DIY jobs, I assume you don't know. - She did. - I'm not sure why. I think I'm just DIY jobs. - I'm at the moment right now. I don't know. I'm uncomfortable. So, going further into the home in one of the bedrooms, there were two giant chains hanging from the ceiling with more hooks or strengths and chains around them. The walls were covered in photos of hardcore disturbing pornography mixed with crude drawings of women being tortured. There was also a bed and a dresser. The top of the dresser was covered in a myriad of spooky disturbing shit, including pliers, scissors, clips, clamps, harnesses, muzzles, and various sex toys in all shapes and sizes. - Is that the photo you posted? - Nope. - Oh, that was another thing. So, now BDSM is fine. If two or more consenting adults want to get freaky then like by all means, - Live yo spooky life. - Live your kinky life. But this was like not just a kinky household. This was sinister as fuck and you will find out why. - Well, if there's no blood, it's like one thing, but if there's blood, you're like, - Well, again, two consenting adults do what you want. - By all means, like have your BDSM fun. I support you. - Sure. - But this was not that. - No. - So I don't want this to be confused with people who enjoy BDSM. - Right, right, right. - Now, how do I know that this was not just BDSM fun? - 'Cause murder. - Well, as this is being discovered, another 911 call comes in from a woman who said, quote, "I'm calling for a young lady that just ran into my house." She says she's just been raped. She's got a chain on her, send someone right away. This lady is naked. She says they've been holding her for three days. - Oh my God, this poor girl. Now, see her coming in. - That we wouldn't let into our car. - Right, I'm sorry, girl. So Sierra County deputy Peter Botawitz, I think it was, responded to this night, one one call, 'cause now they're having to send people everywhere because it's like naked women, that's just like all kinds of craziness. - And when you go for a ride. - This girl though, like breaking out. Oh, however she did. - Wait, she hear how she did, it's amazing. - So this girl was, the way she maintained her brain here is unbelievable. And so this guy responded to this call. He went to the residence that they called from to say she was there. And he said there was an elderly man waving him to the residence. - Oh, so he was like an old couple? - Yes, he said his name was Donald and that this random naked woman with a chain on her neck had literally barged into their home in a blind panic. - Oh my God. - And was begging them to help her. His wife, Darleen, was the one who immediately called on it, 911. And he said she was in there helping the woman and trying to calm her down. As he was telling the officer this, the woman ran out the front door towards the officer wearing a pink robe that they adraped around her because they're just like fucking good people, man. - Yeah. - And the officer could see she was cut, bruised, beaten, blood all over her. - Oh my God. - She also had a metal collar around her neck that was closed with a padlock. There was a chain attached to this that was somewhere around five feet long. - Holy shit. - When she ran out of the house, she literally screamed to the officer, "Please don't let them get me." That was a perfect call. - Oh my God. This poor girl. - Now this woman was 22 year old Cynthia Veehill. - Oh. - She ended up being the last known survivor of David Parker Ray and his girlfriend, 39 year old Cindy Hinde. She was kidnapped by the pair days earlier and said they chained her up in their home. She said she was repeatedly raped and viciously tortured throughout the experience. - Oh no. - At the time she didn't know the address of where she was held, but she had seen their faces and knew that the people holding her went by Dave and Cindy. - Oh. - She also said to the police officer, she pointed to him and said he's one of you because he was a park ranger and their uniforms looked a lot like smaller. - And he pretended to be a cop to kidnapped her. - Oh no, fuck away. - So she thought he was one of them. - Oh. - I'm gonna get into some more details about her abduction in a minute. It's intense. - So now another park ranger named Byron Wilson was getting ready to leave for the day at this time. - And he's like, "Now I can't fucking show." - He heard commotion on the scanner about like the naked woman in the nightmare of Bass Street and he knew that address was a park's employees home. So he decided to try and compass him and help us out. 'Cause apparently the state park's employees are like, "Duh, duh, duh, duh." - Yeah. - And as he drove there, he passed a cream colored motorhome RV with two people inside and he was like, "Oh, I know that driver. It was 59 year old coworker, David Parker Ray and his girlfriend, Cindy, and he." So he just like passed by them. They like wave to each other and he went to the residence and he noticed that it was David Parker's property and he was like, "Oh shit, I just passed him. They're probably fleeing." So he told the police and they raced to the area where he just came from to try to approach them from all sides and like catch up with them. And it ended up being Wilson that found them again, the same guy that had passed by them. - Oh, shit. - Yeah, 'cause he joined the police. He was like, "Oh, shit, I just saw them." They thought, I think they thought they were gonna try to escape through the desert. - Yeah. - But the ended up just like going through town, like it is. So, well, their name is fucking Cindy and David Ray. - So it was Wilson, the park ranger, who got them to pull over and a bunch of other people. police surrounded them as well and he was ordered to step out of the vehicle like on the loudspeaker and all that and He David Parker Ray yelled back. This isn't necessary. I'd be like, ah Have you seen your house, bro? I've seen your collection of dildos. This is very necessary Sir, you've got a real problem on your head. I'm pretty necessary, David He finally got out. It was immediately arrested Cindy got out as well But she was bleeding. She had a huge gash above her left ear and was immediately arrested as well She was taken to a hospital David was taken to Richard R Cooper boat safety training center that was located in the state park Yeah, because it was closer and apparently had better resources than the local police department which like that's alarming It's troubling but whatever now this was a huge case for this place Yeah, they had no idea how to handle I mean who knows how to handle this really right? Um, so they called on the new mexico state police for assistance the State police criminal investigator Wesley Laquester arrived at around six p.m. to the place where they were holding him He immediately told everyone stop do not talk to him the first person we need to hear from is Cynthia Veehill the girl the woman So Cynthia was at the hospital this whole time obviously they took as soon as they they got her right to the hospital The entire time she had been there since like four p.m. She just repeated over and over I'm safe here to herself over and over again So she was just sitting there going I'm safe here. Oh safe. I mean like want to cry. Oh She had in the Really actually made me want to cry. I know right. It's your safe girl. Like you're safe. Oh, I actually just got overwhelming So it's a prize she's safe and she's a badass. I mean this woman a lot a lot of emotions. It's she's I have no idea how her brain functioned on such a high level. Did they get first some food? So she had eaten for days so they did feed her but she immediately threw it up Oh, because not eating for days. Yeah, fucks you up. She was covered from head to toe and cuts and bruises She had a lot of external injuries like burns puncture wounds cuts bruising but none of them were fatal. Okay, good The collar was actually the thing that was causing her the most Distress in the hospital had to have maintenance worker cut it off of her with bolt cutters. Um, well yeah Because she I mean duh it was literally like padlocked on to her and when it came off she launched it across the room Like immediately like she came off and she threw it across the room Because it's like almost like a significant 100% you're not a prisoner when it came off They said she like immediately calmed like as soon as that thing came off. Yeah, and um So I'm gonna take a deep breath. So this is where shit is crazy So if you this blew my mind if you remember Cindy Hindi came out of that RV with a gashing head wound Oh my god, they have the same fucking hospital and they brought it to the hospital Shut the fuck up. Well, Cindy was brought to the same hospital for treatment And they escorted Cindy Hindi right past Cynthia in the hospital and she's screaming Cynthia saw her and freaked out. She started screaming. That's her don't let her in. She's here for me like screaming Oh my god. Can you fucking imagine you get away from these people and the fucking bitch that let this happen is right there And right by you. Oh my god. So Cindy and when was when she was walked past Cynthia Cindy Cindy Cindy Cindy And form the doctors and nurses that she'd been hitting the head with a lamp and um she was treated and released back into police custody Okay, before they got her out She pointed at Cynthia and said that girl should be checked because the bitch is on heroin She was then brought to where David was at the training center. Did they inject heroin into her? No, okay, good This is when Cynthia was interviewed by the police because the police got there and remember the police and investigator was like We need to talk to him Cynthia. Why did she say she was on heroin? Is that gonna make sense? Yeah it is So they wanted her Cynthia to be able to talk as soon as possible for like the most accuracy because obviously it's better when you get it fresh She so she admitted to the police that she had lost her mother at a young age. She was very close to her mother She turned the drugs as a way to cope She'd become a strange from most of her family and was working as a sex worker to get by She admitted that specifically she was a heroin user and had used it two days before her abduction. Oh no So she admitted that now this will come back as to why Cindy Hindi yelled that to like, you know, it'll come back later. You'll hear it. Okay. Now we're gonna go back to her abduction Tell you about it. This is what she told the police on March 20th somewhere between 10 and 11 a.m She had been walking to a restaurant in Albuquerque. She was passing through a parking lot and she ran into someone who she was like kind of familiar with This guy pointed to a motorhome parking nearby and said like that dude in there would like to hire you for your services for the evening So she was like, ah, I don't have money. I need money and she went over to the motorhome She said the man behind the wheel was older Tan and had very wrinkly skin From like like sun-big skin, uh-huh, slicked back, gross like light hair and a bushy mustache The exact description of David Parker. Oh no They discussed price. He introduced himself as Dave and she said he was normal very nice. Everything was fine Once they left the parking lot He showed her a badge and said he was an undercover cop and she was under arrest for solicitation So when he did this Cindy Indy appeared from behind a curtain behind her and tried to handcuff her But she fought because she was like you guys are not a fucking cop So she started fighting well He had to pull the motorhome over and David got one handcuffed on her wrist and then dragged her into the back of the RV Oh god He tried to handcuff her to a pipe that was fitted in the back of the RV But she kept fucking fighting so Cindy busted out a cattle prod and threatened her with it So he chained her to the pipe and kept driving with Cindy now in the passenger seat a cattle prod Yes, a cattle prod and well Cynthia was not going down just yet She kept messing with her restraints the the um handcuffs and she noticed that the screws that were holding the pipe to the floor were loosening As she was fucking with them So she started slowly turning each of them until she took them all out. Oh my god She was able to slip off the pipe but the moat right as she did that the motorhome stopped at a traffic light She didn't know that was gonna happen She like fell into a wall and made a sound the noise got Cindy up out of her seat And she went by there and used the cattle prod to make her compliant They then stripped her naked duct taped her mouth and chained her to another part of the motorhome. Oh god no She said the drive was very long and when they stopped once for gas Cindy used a gun and warned her that if she screamed they'd just kill her So when they finally got to raise home it ended up being 150 miles from where they abducted her. Oh my god So she was back there naked with duct tape over her mouth and chained to some of her hours 50 miles They pulled the RV way like right up to the house So that she couldn't get that look at what was around They had shackled her ankles and they forced her into the house really quickly She was then led down a hallway to the living room with br- she said with brown striped wallpaper Gross. She said a bed was tucked in the corner Among trash and other gross fucking hills have eyes type shit This is when the metal collar was put around her neck so right away. I'm so stressed out right now The end of the five-foot chain that was attached to that was chained to a hook on the wall over the bed She was then forced down on the bed and was chained to the four corners like spread eagle They then blindfolded and gagged her she suddenly heard a tape recorder turn on what So I'm going to read some of this please don't it's really bad I'm only gonna read some of it I'm gonna leave the rest if you want to find it you can find that this transcripts everywhere the actual audio I don't think it's out there, but oh thanks So they played this for their victims like right as they got them there? Yes, this is this was what every victim was played when they were as soon as they got there like I'm sorry You're not running a fucking carnival. It starts out. No, this is this is like horror movie shit. No, it literally is Jigsaw so it says Hello there bitch. Are you comfortable right now? I doubt it. Rists and ankles chained gagged probably blindfolded You're disoriented and scared too. I would imagine Perfectly normal into the circumstances for a little while at least you need to get your ship together and listen to this tape It is very relevant to your situation I'm going to tell you in detail why you have been kidnapped what's going to happen to you and how long you'll be here I don't know the details of your capture because this tape is being created July 23rd 1993. This was in 1999 Oh my god and she's like oh great as a general advisory tape for future female captives The information I'm going to give you is based on my experience dealing with capture captives over a period of several years Now you are obviously here against your will totally helpless. Don't know where you're at. Don't know what's going to happen to you You're very scared or very pissed off. I'm sure that you've already tried to get your wrists and ankles loose and no you can't Now you're just waiting to see what's gonna happen next. You probably think you're going to be raped and you're fucking sure right about that Our primary interest is what you've got between your legs Oh well be raped thoroughly and repeatedly Because that's that's pretty rough. I'm not going to read it You can find that if you want to because It is basically you've been snatched and brought here for us to train and use as a sex leave. Sound kind of far out? Well I suppose it is to the uninitiated, but we do it all the time. It's gonna take a lot of adjustment on your part, and you're not gonna like it one fucking bit. But I don't give a big fucking rat's ass about that. It's not like you're gonna have any choice in the matter. You've been taken by force, and you're gonna be kept and used by force. What's this amounts to is that you're gonna be kept naked and chained up like an animal to be used and abused anytime we want, any way that we want. Okay, can we stop now? And you might as well be getting used to it, because you're gonna be kept here until such time as we get fucking tired of you. Okay. And we will, eventually, in a month or two, maybe three. It's no big deal. You're right. You're right. My lady friend and I have been keeping sex slaves for years. We both have kinky hang-ups involving rape, dungeon games, etc. We've found it extremely convenient to keep one or two female captives available constantly to satisfy our particular needs. I'm not gonna go. That's it. That's it. We're done. We're done. That's a wrap. If you want to read it yourself, go ahead, bye. That's a fucking trip. Yeah. I'm going to circle back to this transcript at one point. No, that's okay. I'm just not gonna read the whole thing, but I am gonna read another small part of it when it becomes relevant. I'm emotional. Basically, that's what she heard. She heard a lot more than that. That was a very small snippet of that. How long was it, do you know? It's a real long. And she's looking at it right now. Look at her. Oh, it's like two sides. So close it. I don't want the word so. Oh, man. Close it. That was not the bad stuff. You have no idea what comes after that. No, I'm never gonna. I'm gonna barf. Yeah. So Cynthia said, quote, the way he talked, I didn't feel like this was his first time. It was like he knew what he was doing. He told me I was never going to see my family again. He told me he would kill me like the others. So her deal was fucking horrific. She was led into a room at one point with whips and other torture equipment, mixed in with like legitimate medical equipment, like that I use in autopsies, like scalples and shit, and like four steps, all that kind of stuff. She was hung by chains that were attached to the ceiling and was sexually assaulted and tortured while hanging in the chains. They used an old motor that was attached to her by clamps and cables and used it to administer electric shocks to her for extended periods of time. It was so bad that she would pass out several times as a result. What the f*ck? She even said that when they were not actively sexually assaulting and torturing her, they would chain her to the bed by all four limbs and her neck while they just sat next to her on the couch and watched TV like casually. Like when they would get breaks where they didn't feel like sexually assaulting her, they would just watch TV with her chained up next to them. What? Throughout the whole thing. How does that happen in your life, right? Throughout the whole thing, David Parker Ray took multiple photographs of the torture while it was happening. He also showed her photos of other women he had done this to. She woke up on the morning of March 22nd, the third day she was there and saw David Parker Ray wearing a uniform she thought was a police officer uniform. Obviously it was a park ranger uniform. Before he left for work, he told Cynthia that he had a surprise for her. His toy box. This had been discussed vaguely a bunch of other times around Cynthia, but she had no idea what it was. But she had heard the word toy box. So before he left, Ray thought Cynthia had to be too weak and exhausted to try anything, so he removed the chains from her legs and arms, but left the collar that was attached to the wall. The whole time she was alone with Cindy for the whole day. Cindy just sat around and watched TV mostly because she's a big fuck of a low fast. And at one point around 3pm that day, the phone rang and Cindy answered it. She placed the keys to Cynthia's restraints down on the coffee table. More on. Cindy was just talking on the phone and she just walked into the other room while chatting. Cynthia took this moment to stretch her leg out to the table and when she got it, she hooked her foot around it and pulled the whole table towards her. She grabbed the keys and instead of immediately unlocking her restraints, like anybody else would, she took a second to think and she was like, Cindy could walk into this fucking room. At any second. And I need to be smart about this if I'm going to make this work. So Cynthia slowly started pushing the table back to where it originally was because she was like if Cindy walks back in, she's going to see that table moved if I don't move it back. Now she doesn't see it moved, then she might not notice that she put those keys there. And that's going to be a mess, right? Well, as her leg was outstretched to push the table back, Cindy suddenly walked back into the room. She saw her, she was fucking pissed. She drops the phone and lunges at Cynthia. So she tried to get the keys from her hand, but she couldn't because Cynthia was like, no way. So she grabbed a nearby lamp and hit Cynthia in the head with it. Oh good. No. Fuck, Cynthia and Cindy. Cindy, Cindy, hit Cynthia in the head with the lamp. Bad. The lamp shattered into pieces, but Cynthia was so hopped up on adrenaline at the prospect of escaping that she didn't even feel it. She said, good. So she got a lamp shattered over her head and she kept fighting. Like that killed somebody. Oh yeah. While they wrestled, Cynthia grabbed the phone that had dropped on the floor and dialed 911. Oh my God. This was the call that was originally answered where they heard all the scuffle. And Cindy went to end the call. Cynthia grabbed an ice pick that was just casually laying on the fucking floor. I was going to say she had lots of tools. And slashed her on the back of the head with it. She was now Cindy Hindi is dazed in bleeding immediately. So Cynthia took that opportunity to quickly unlock her chain and run out of the fucking house. Holy shit. She had no idea where she was. She was 150 miles from where she was taken. She hadn't seen during the drive where she went. Right. She literally has no idea where she's going. She finally seized Donald and Darleen's mobile home and she ran into the door and begged Darleen not to let them get her. Darleen said, the woman who helped her. She said, quote, her wrists looked like hamburger meat. She had beautiful long brown hair and it was all matted with blood. She was dirty all over her breasts were black and blue and there were more bruises all over her arms and legs. She wanted to take the collar off her neck. Like immediately was like, please get this off my neck. But he said he wanted, he really wanted to. But he didn't know how. He said he felt it was also something the police should probably do because it was like something happened here. I don't want to tamper with what's going on. Yeah. He was like, I really want to take this off of you. I don't think I can. So he was the one who grabbed the pink bathroom to cover her waist. What a nice man. Well, Darleen called 911 and while they waited for the police to come, Cynthia hid shivering under the kitchen table. Oh my god. That's how scared she was. Now this whole interviewer Cynthia told this whole thing was done by the criminal investigator Wesley the Quester. After he spoke with her and heard all this, he went back to where David Parker ran and Cindy Hindi were being held in separate rooms at the like boat safety training center. I heard them so badly. They both claimed that they did kidnap Cynthia, but they claimed it was for the purpose of aiding her and kicking her heroin addiction. Oh yeah, you know, I like chaining her to a bed. They said they chained her up to get her out of her. Well, they just were trying to get her through the super rough withdrawal period. Obviously. Ash. Like stop judging. Okay. Stop judging. I hate when people do horrible shit and they're not like, no one bought this because it's the dumbest story ever. Like it doesn't make any sense. She's like covered in horrible bruises. Yeah, it literally and one wall. And like we saw your house. Yeah. So both of them were charged with one count of kidnapping, one count of assault, one count of criminal sexual penetration in two counts of conspiracy. After being charged, they were transported to the Sierra County Criminal Detention Center and that's when they stopped cooperating. They stopped talking. March 23rd at 730 PM. The search warrant for David Parker Ray's property was officially approved. Where do you think that they like put all the shit that they find in people's houses? Like how do they get rid of it? Well, they don't get rid of it. It goes in an evidence locker. Oh yeah, that was a really dumb question. It was, but I love you. I'm just like really like not a lot. Well, this is a lot. This is a lot. So this was like a double wide trailer basically. It was disgusting and cluttered with trash and gross shit. It had a master bedroom, a smaller bedroom, a kitchen, a living room and a bathroom. The clothing that Cynthia was wearing the day she was kidnapped was found in the bedroom. Along with a ton of other things, there were actually 401 items that did not belong to David or Cindy. Lots of women's jewelry among other items like women's clothing and women's accessories. 401 items. Now this house sounds like a fucking nightmare, right? Mm-hmm. You have not heard the worst of it, my friends. What's the toy box? Inside the house was a large 25-foot white semi-truck trailer. A huge steel deadbolt was locked on the door. A locksmith was brought into a locket and what they found in there is what I, is one of the walls was what I posted a photo of on our Instagram. And is that the toy box? Yes. That's just one corner of the toy box. This was David Parker raised toy box. When you walked in, signs were on the wall that said Satan's Den in the bondage room. For good reason. The main feature of this toy box was a DIY gynecologist chair. Oh my god. It was black. And in the center of the trailer it had stirrups cables were the electrodes and straps all over it What the fuck it was on a small track on the floor that allowed someone to slide the chair backwards and forwards No on the ceiling above the chair was a large mirror so the victim was able to see what was happening to them what no Shit's gonna get very warning Warning everybody it's real real real real right now so just like I right hang on hang on call under your butts Every square inch of the walls ceilings and shelving in this trailer were covered in various methods of torture There were leg spreaders a branding iron hmm leather belts paddles clamps sandpaper What? Lades no no suction cups boresps whips and speculums. What's a speculum? It's what they use during your a pap smear I wish you could see ashes later There were several syringes and bottles of ammonia and chloroform the place was fucking Chock full of sex toys and they weren't just like run of the mill sex toys. They were made from wood metal and plastic Perhaps even most disturbing we get ready. No, no, no, no a 15 inch motorized dildo was found It was a touch to a giant motor with some kind of switch that had three levels buzzer light and probe I'm not laughing at this. I'm laughing at that 15 inches Yep motorized Yep ropes, pulleys, handcuffs and chains hung everywhere in One corner there was a wooden contraption that was seemed to be handmade and it was used to forcibly bend a victim over Oh my god to rape them. I feel no. I'm not kidding you. I feel nauseous It was rough There were medical books on anatomy and porn magazines everywhere. Why did you pick this? There was also lipstick mouthwash perfume perfume perfume shampoo about a perfume shampoo and baby lotions a corkboard had photos of other females being tortured and drawings of fantasies as done by David Parker as well Scattered along the walls were also medical photos of anatomy and detailed diagrams of methods of torture One of the large metal drawers pulled out to reveal a slab not unlike those found in the morgue One of the most disturbing pieces of paper in the toy box was a list of instructions That was found on a wall that detailed how to use a mechanized tool to inflict maximum damage to a victim's breasts When you so what the instructions said I don't want to know This is what it said on this thing that was used to hold you to these right breasts It said quote this process is very painful and due to the constant motion the body will not adjust to the pain During the operation that subject will remain an extremely painful Dress so that's funny. He signed above these said the lure of st. Anism and he also had placed two fake skulls nearby with candles Like shit you would find in like a 16 year old emo kids room like fuck you guy hung up on one wall Was a long black robe with a red cape and a Barbie doll wrapped in chains It was also a clipboard with a list of names and alongside it was another paper that contained Some words of encouragement not for the victims, but for David himself It was kind of like an affirmation of sorts and it's not I know what you're thinking It's not like the ones that like your life coach or your yoga teacher gives you. It's not kind of the same It read quote remember a woman will do or say anything to get loose They will kick scratch offer money bite yell beg scream run offer sex threaten lie wait for opportunity Standard excuses are sob stories menstruating pregnant venereal disease aids sick kids with babysitter Have to work a sick baby a sick parent claustrophobia missed by husband or friend bad heart can't miss school Don't let her get to you if she is worth taking she's worth keeping and she must be subjected to hypnosis before the woman can be safely release Never trust a chained captive so he One of the things he says in the audio tape that he plays for these women is like whatever you say I'm not gonna believe it like you can say whatever you want It's not gonna work and I think this is to remind himself like no matter what they say Don't let them go or like don't give them any sympathy There was also an old television that was mounted on the wall at the foot of the torture chair That also had a video camera aimed at the torture chair and it was on like a tripod the entire trailer had been soundproofed So no one outside could hear anything Oh my god now when they went in there this until like they just they this is what they found during their Search war so this is when the FBI was called him because Holy shit They went to town like in the FBI even call anyone for help and literally Like they're like hey, God are you busy today or do you not fucking exist and shit like this happens They went to town gathering and processing evidence because there was just so much of it I mean like where do you even start the FBI's behavioral science unit was utilized for this case as well This is when Cindy Hindi started talking why She agreed to be formally interviewed by the behavioral science unit. She like excited or something and what she said was She she decided to come clean. She said she did Know that David was a dangerous sick dude when she got together with him She said he had informed her about all of the shit he had done over the 30 40 years or so before they met and wait until you hear what Cindy Hindi has to say because We have not even scratched the surface. What what we haven't even scratched No, no, no, no, we've only talked about Cynthia Be oh, oh my god. Do we have to talk to about other people too? There's we haven't even talked about the people he murdered he murdered people and we have now talked about the ones that could be other ones I got away how many so are we talking about part two is going to be The conclusion um hey, you know how I like to call and sick for work I'm gonna call and sick next week I'm feeling kind of sick. Yeah, I'm not coming in today Well, I have something lined up for next week and I it's much I had something intentionally is it fun fluffier Fluffy is it fluffy? It's fluffy. I need a pillow case. We'll do a fluffier one. Trust me So this is part one of the toy box kill David Parker. How long is part two? part two we're gonna we're gonna wrap it up. We're gonna wrap it up in a nice Sandpaper bow. Oh I literally told my husband you might not want a list of it. I'm gonna tell everyone I know you might want not want to listen to Everybody listen. I'm gonna tell everyone I don't want to listen to this episode. Yeah, and yeah, I'm not okay Next week are we gonna get it more into Cynthia. We're gonna get more into you know What happened after they were arrested? We're gonna talk about the stuff they found after that He was arrested that because they found that he had murder people. They found videotapes. They found all kinds a whole myriad of spooky awful shit so We're gonna get more into that stuff Next week, so you'll hear more about how since because Cynthia has been on like ID discovery. No, she's not been on Ellen. I don't think this is really an Ellen topic But I feel like can we call it can Ellen host next week? I Don't want to hold it. Do I have a story for you? Doctor Phil host next week to see what the fuck is wrong with you for doing this to your fucking nice little sister You're fucked up, Elena. You fucked up, man So yeah, I promise I'm part two. We're gonna we're gonna give some more shit You're gonna find out that it'll all it'll all be wrapped up in a bow that's at least Someone's satisfying not all satisfying that someone's at a fine. I feel nauseous. Yeah so We're gonna I think we're gonna try to put both of these out this week because why not I think we should just rip the band-aid off Just get it all done so then we can give something fluffy next week. Okay, but So we'll try to do that is I think I've littered. I think we've like broken out. I think she's broken. I am We broke her we broke ash dude. I'm on do not have to break only on episode 20 and we broke ash I broke this one out too quick. I just Well, well, we'll be okay so Until then Visit our patreon at patreon.com To pay for my therapy For podcast to pay for ashes therapy bills Get us on Instagram at morbid podcast at Twitter at a morbid podcast Go ahead and go on to the Facebook and there's a Facebook group that has a few members. Oh, that's cool So that's kind of cool. So go on there and rate and review Try not to call us pretentious American not funny assholes, but like if you feel like you want to go right ahead Everyone who's given us a awesome review and has been so amazing and sweet and supportive. We fucking love you all. I do. Whether you can contribute to the Patreon or not you are our favorite. Yeah. You're all amazing. So we're gonna get going because this has been a thing. Like my butt's gonna fall off. Yeah. F did not properly hold on to her butt so we will. I feel like that joke's not funny anymore. I think it's pretty funny so. No, because like torture. Gotta have galos humor. But if somebody like sought off his butt, I mean what if he's unbroken? I'm just taking a journey without us right now. I don't want my mind anymore. I don't want it. Oh, I feel like this was a success. Everybody. I feel like this was good. So we hope you keep listening. We hope you keep it weird. Notice the difference in inflection this week. So good bye. I'm never gonna go anywhere alone anymore. Don't go to trees or consequences. Yeah, because there's always consequences. It's no truth. Just consequences. This is gonna make me a what's that called? The name of the comic? Yeah. Yeah. Stay tuned for "Yes or Right." Is that the daughter? Yeah. Oh god. Bye everyone. Sweet dreams. Oh, I hope you. 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