David Ortiz Talks Boston Sports & Efton Chism Reacts To Patriots Win Over Bills | Gronk & Jules Show

happy thursday we got another big one today we have not one but two guests on the show eftim chism after that game-winning touchdown he's joining us and then also to talk a little bit about the hunt for red october we got david ortiz aka big poppy will be in live here in the studio plus we're previewing tonight's thursday night football game between the bucks and the cowboys let's get into it he's a boston legend one of the most clutch mlb players in the history of the game three-time world series champ my brother welcome to the studio david ortiz thank you my brother man what what have we been doing right now oh boy you know how it is when you get into this building right sunday football fucked over i mean we got so much going on in this building bro yeah it's honestly for us it's so cool when i get to see you guys it brings like another energy it's almost like a joint practice you know like when you practice with another team having you guys you're the legends of freaking poppy a-rod jeter and your guys's whole show when you dip down to our show it just makes the environment so fun it's like a family reunion it's like a family reunion i love it i love it they bring us in early that day so we can uh uh have that family reunion and man we have so much fun i love it i love seeing all you guys out there seeing all my boys man and uh it's uh it's very enjoyable now break us down break down the playoff pictures for us in baseball i'm not a big i don't watch baseball right now it's football season for a person living under a rock what's going on with baseball right now well right now as you know last night uh tampa beat the yankees for the second time you know in a short series three out of five are we happy for that oh very happy yeah because you know we played that short series over there in new york and then they beat us and and now everybody was making fun of us and they said now how you like me now but they still got game to go they had to go back to new york now but tampa look they look invincible they look they look tough man they they they they be uh cam chiller yesterday and he's one of he's a side young for the american league without a doubt yeah and and they beat and they play awful defense they got like three or four errors and they're not going to win first they uh they didn't execute it the way they should and then their a's got b so that put them on prospect i think uh it's gonna be hard for the yankees to beat tampa three times in a row they they gotta go back and face in in the worst case scenario they had to go back and face the a's for the for the tampa race and uh and uh he he shut them down yeah the outing uh the first game they had to go back and face the a's and uh he shut them down yeah the outing uh the first game down and the the whole playoff thing is kind of looking a little crazy the dodgers lost the other day they gotta go now back to atlanta they're gonna have to face chris cell everybody know how nasty chris is thrown it uh so they can be facing a tough situation there we'll see because the the dodgers they uh offensively they don't look like they normally do and that that is uh that can turn down to be a problem for them um in the other hand san diego come on man come on man what's up with san diego san diego lost that one game that they they had to lock 10 that game the other day their closer blow it and uh now they're facing a death sentence they they they they can be going home pretty soon if they don't they lose one more game and i don't know if they can beat uh milwaukee three times in a row that's the toughest thing about the playoff you know i'm saying you got it you got a battle you know i mean not many of those teams are the red socks the 2004 red socks i was just about to say it bro i was just about to say it no saying coming back from it from a all-in-three deficit is is the hardest thing to do so uh san diego had to beat them three times uh it can like it's a little look like like it's a little impossible yeah tampa the yankees they had to be tampa three times also to be able to bounce back i mean that is uh they are in a critical conditions right now yeah do you miss it you like right now is this the time of the year that your body naturally just feels like i should be playing right now october was my thing to be honest with you i mean i don't miss playing i don't miss playing i don't miss playing i don't miss playing because i played for a long time uh i'm not gonna bullshit you but i uh the one thing i miss about the game is uh the home runs the uh the fans going crazy being with them boys so the little things that i miss from the game but it's fun to watch man i mean a lot of talent out there uh the game is moving faster um a lot of young talent that is uh developing so right now the power in the game has increased a lot strikeout has increased a lot uh it seems like pitching is taking over everything you don't see offensively you don't see that many studs like back in our days but uh but the game is fun to watch i i believe in the talent that is out there i believe in all this young blood i mean the athleticism in the game is beautiful i love it and uh you know i mean it is what it is you just gotta enjoy what you got now what's something that drives you crazy about this generation baseball compared to your generation baseball i think they're too much of uh there is too much of uh cyber metrics and computer and other shit too much analytics analytics too much that shit i think uh we have walked away from the base of the game which is the heart the feeling the learning from the olders i mean i don't see many guys trying to pick guys like myself brain to continue you know development and that is is the one part of the game that no cyber metrics no computer now we're gonna replace that yeah you know what i'm saying you tell me when you play you don't want to go and talk to to the guys who did it before to pick their brains so you can get things done i don't see many of it nowadays and and and and and that's why it seems like the learning had a little delay yeah in the game that's that's all but talent wise and and speed power i mean it's it's it's beautiful but i think it's a combination of everything i mean naturally i think with evolution like in our sport football the guys are faster bigger stronger every year i mean just like probably in your sport that's right and these guys can sit and specialize on the sport for so long but there is a sense of you forget what happened in the past or you're not interested in what happened in the past that can kind of stunt your growth as a player well the thing is that they it seems like it's not just athletes it seems like the new generation of people and i'm talking about the past the last 25 30 years people is not attached much uh to history i mean people just people is just moving so fast now that they don't have no time to to search about things that at the end of the day it's good for you you know what i'm saying i mean like i said you know like i go to boston i'm not gonna be chasing nobody i did my thing if you want to pick my brain my brain you chase me you don't say because i got things to tell you and it should be like that at every sport i mean if you are an nba you definitely want to have a conversation with lebron james with with michael jordan with lebron james with lebron james with those guys alan iverson you want to know why they were so good that's the way it goes you know i mean the experience played a big role at everything yeah and if if you don't if you don't believe in that you're screwed because at some point you're gonna need it yeah you know what i'm saying so but it seems like new generation is just based on google things and move on and who are some of the guys you took advice from when you were a young player oh man let me tell you i take away from like like when i see a guy like mauve on carlos delgado polo neil jason Those guys that were ahead of me, I want to have a conversation with them. Sheely Davis, I can mention Ivan Rodriguez. I can continue saying them because I want to know why those guys were so good. Pedro Martinez, Manny Ramirez, those guys that were ahead of me, all the superstars. I want to have a conversation with them because they're always going to have something to say. I was having a conversation with Jeter the other day. And when I was in Minnesota, the Yankees came in town. And Giambi, Jason Giambi, was an animal when he got manned on bases. He was fearless. And I want to know why he was so good at it. I asked Jason, what is your mentality? What is your mindset when you have manned a scoring position? It seems like you just tell everyone, just jump on the bus. I'm going to bring you home. You know what I'm saying? And he was like, Papi, you know what? It's his problem, not mine. The pitcher had to make sure that he throws something over the diamond that I don't hit. But I know he's hunting. I know he's on the hunt. And when he say that to me, he takes so much pressure off of me because he was right. It's his problem. It's his problem. You are standing up on the plate with this big old barrel, this bat. He had to make sure you don't put the ball on the plate. He had to make sure he get nasty on you. But he had to make sure that happened. Otherwise, you're going to hurt him. And those are the conversations that I used to love having with so many of these superstars. Just so that I can get closer and closer and closer to what I end up being. But you have to go through the learning process. If you don't go through the learning process, you're never going to get there. You're never going to get there. You're never going to separate yourself. I got to ask, because you said his name, Manny Ramirez. I never knew Manny as a talker. What's the best advice he gave you? Manny wants you to believe that he was lazy. Manny wants you to believe that he didn't give max effort. He wants you to believe that so he can hurt you even deeper. He's like Jim Brown. He's like Jim Brown. Every time Jim Brown got tackled, he would get up slow every time just to make the other team think that they got him. But they didn't. That's right. He tricked them. Tricked them. And Manny was exactly. Manny don't want no camera around. Manny don't want be seen. But Manny was one of the harder working guys in the game. Manny used to get there early. Manny used to have a routine. In the morning, to go to the gym, get his work in. When he got to the field, he was ready to go. You know? That was him. That's why he was so good. I mean, and I was there watching. I mean, when I first got to the Red Sox, he was the guy that I want to be like him. I want to get to be that good. You know? When he was like, okay, you want to be that good? Let's work. And we used to, you know, do so many workouts and so many things that I was like, man, this guy. It's out of his mind. Yeah. But guess what? At the end of the day, it paid off. It paid off because that's why he was that good. You could always learn from anyone. I'm trying to tell you. You could always learn. Superstar always have a different type of way to do things. And that's why they separate themselves from the rest of everybody. They got the magic touch. Yeah. Now, Papi. I see this story circulating around the internet. Dustin Pedroia. And he says that you didn't know his name until like 12 years of playing with him. Is this true? Look, I wasn't never paying attention to that guy. We had nicknames. And you just go by. I mean, like, you're talking about my little brother, man. You know? And I love that guy. Like, that guy was my guy. I love you. But I don't know what happened. I mean, we were going across a hotel or something. And the guy was screaming loud, Dustin, Dustin. And I was like, man, shut the fuck up. You call him Dustin. He look at me, you idiot. That's my name. And I'm like, whoa. Pee-wee. Yeah. That's Pee-wee's nickname. You stupid. You know what Buddy Tech did in his day? He wrote everybody's name on my cap and put it on my locker. Here, you don't forget your teammate's name. Hey, I was in a different planet, man. I was so locked in trying to do my thing, bro. You know, like, a lot of things happen that you'll be like, oh, shit. But. Man, he know that I got him. No, yeah. He's the best. He's so funny. Now, you do the show, Foxtober, previewing all the baseball games with two Yankees. Can you explain to everyone that listens to our show what it actually means to be a Boston athlete? Being a Boston athlete, it's like. It's like. To me, in my case, in your case, you know, we play for the best fan base out of all. I mean, I got to play Minnesota. There was no fan base down there. And when I got to Boston and I see how dedicated the fans were down there, how into the games the fans are over there. It was like. It was like a magic touch for me. Because as an athlete, it so depends how you want to take it. I took it as a personal matter. Some guys, they quit. They can deal with it. You embraced it. I embraced it. I want to do something for those fans every day I step on that plate. I don't want to get no free pass. I want to just execute. I want to execute every time because they were expecting that from me. They want to see you running through people all the time because you give that to them. They love when athletes go by the business the way we did. They embrace that, you know? And to me, that's a motivation. I remember after the 2003 season, when we got shut down by the Yankees, I saw people suffering that. And you know what I did? I went to the offseason, and I just worked my ass up. I want to be better than what I was the year before because of it, because of what I saw coming from the fans. I respect that. And the following season, I had a monster season, and we won the World Series in a type of way. But we did. And the fans, that time was, I mean, I think that was, I mean, we have the opportunity to have, we win three championships while I play. But that one parade in 2004, that was insane. That was like, and the funny thing is that. You broke the curse, bro. Bro, we came into that season, and we look strong. We look invincible. And then we end up winning. And the fans, man, I mean, it was a very special time. And I can never stop talking about those two decades, the way we did things in that town. I mean. Patriot. Patriots. Celtics. Bruins. Wrestles. I mean, I think those were the two best decades. Had to have been. I've been to every championship winning game. I won a Super Bowl. I went and watched you guys win. I went and watched the Bruins win. When I first got there, the Celtics won. It's crazy. I always tell them. In the same town. Same town. That is crazy. I think we almost had it in 14, 13. Remember? I think we almost all did it. That's right. That's right. That's right. It was a parade after a parade after a parade after a parade. Favorite parade memory. What's your favorite parade memory? Oh, man. I remember going into the duck boat. That wasn't my thing. That water was too cold. I'm not a good swimmer. And the minute they say, oh, we're going to go now into the water, I was like, what? For all you guys listening, a duck boat. There are these boats that. Boston athletes, if you go to a parade, it's a boat that drives on land. Yes. And that's what we do our parades on. It's like a big thing. And at the end of the parade, they bring you up in the Charles. That's right. And a guy, I remember one of the police guys asking me, man, you're from an island. How come you don't know how to swim? I'm like, they never brought me to the beach when I was a kid. Baseballs. They keep me busy on the baseball field. Mama Juana is baseball. falls baby you don't say oh boy but yeah man that was that was uh that was some good memories man great great time i mean i always gonna appreciate the fact that i got the opportunity to play in boston boston is my city boston is is the place that uh you know we we we go way back in and and and we did it man we did it for them we we did now what are the red sox gotta do to get back to that going into this next year what do they gotta do to get back to where we lived you know i had a comment that contreras after uh after we we were done i heard a comment that he say about veteran leadership staying away from all those computer things focus more on different things we got the talent hey listen those those those those those those two and a half month that the thing went from bottom to top that's not a coincidence if you don't have it you don't have it i mean in baseball it's it's it's it's hard to do what what the guys did on the stretch you know it's hard to do it you have to have the talent to be able to do that so talent is there you know i i i think that what comes with it is exactly what contreras say we need to have veteran leadership we need to have guys focusing on on on the learning process i mean put down away a little bit of uh the technology and and and go with the heart because let me tell you man when when we played those yankees and and things wasn't good i mean i know i know this series nowadays that you got to go and play three games right after you qualify in a wild card or whatever it has happened two times already and both of them times have been critical you know i'm saying so you can see when you are on the way for that situation to happen but at the same time you need to start building that anger that puts you in a situation where you can go out there and just start whooping everybody yeah you know i'm saying we seem shy we seem a little concerned we seem a little scared when we go into those serious attitude we need attitude we need attitude bro we need we need we need beers we need we need you know we need someone to be like hey juice come on man fucking city you know saying something like that you i didn't i didn't i haven't seen that this past couple of years going into the bronx you know i'm saying and and i'll tell you what man when you go to play in the bronx you better be ready you better be ready they're gonna be loud you better be ready get loud there you know i'm saying and the yankees had a good team but you show the yankees during the regular season that you are capable of whooping them so you can't change that when when it comes down to playoff you need to have the same attitude you know i'm saying so i don't think we are too far away from from from getting there where but the guys need to watch this tape because i used to watch a lot of tape in the off season and that those days to get me good bumps i can't wait for the for the following season to show us what i can so i can visualize on the field what i saw on the state you know what i'm saying yeah muscle memory muscle memory you've been watching football at all a little bit how about our patriots you know you see that big win against buffalo last week oh definitely i mean man he just he just continued delivering you know and and i'll tell you what though i think it's gonna be a good year i think it's gonna be a good year i think i think why well you know back in in the conversation that we just had attitude man uh every sport you gotta show what it to you you you when you show what it to you know in baseball nowadays i see a lot of people that want to criticize players when they hit homers when they strike out batters people pay to see that yeah i want to see that i want to see someone i took you deep it's my time it's my turn i strike you out it's my time to shine it's my time to do whatever and and and the disrespectful part about the game that doesn't exist it's emotions these are emotions this guy worked hard he worked hard he worked hard he worked hard he worked hard he worked his life got prepared for that moment yeah you know what i'm saying show it hey listen i when a guy strike me out and he was doing his thing out there that was that was a wake-up call for me yeah i want to come and kill you next time around you don't say i want to come and and and and show you why i was a badass next time around you wake me up people don't understand that you don't say so you see this patriot showing attitude body language that's a good thing whoever is watching now they'll be like oh damn we are ready you know what i'm saying exactly and i think we what poppy's saying is they looked confident last week because they lost their confidence for a couple weeks that's right but to be able to go into the new highmark stadium in buffalo and whoop them i mean they're trying to erase the memories what we did in that stadium the old stadium and now the very first time the patriots come in they brought the memories and got it done got it done got it let's go let's go who's the current nfl player that reminds you of you as a baseball player it's it's hard i know it's hard big poppy there's only one pop there's only one poppy but i think i'll tell you what uh i'll tell you what um in football there's a lot of poppies you know why i say there's a lot of poppy because in in in in in the game of football everybody want to bring something to the table you you it's it's hard to see someone getting cut off and not trying to do his job in football you can't get killed out there if you're not paying attention and and trying to be the baddest you know the baddest player on the field so the other day i was at the sps and i got to meet uh i think he played for the browns miles garrett yes yes and i was like man he was just traded yes i was like man he impressed me he's he's a specimen he's he's impressed me though i was like man he was just traded yes yes and i was like damn i wonder why this guy's so good you know what i'm saying because the way he he the way he carries himself even off the field even being off the field you'll be like this guy's in a stud right here yeah you know what i'm saying way talks i mean if you see him he looks like a fucking truck i'm trying to tell you but he also speaks cool he's a down-to-earth dude it's smooth you know that is cool girl i love it i love it man i love yeah he was with girlfriend they look really good together yeah yeah i saw that she's a freaking olympic gold medalist that's right that's right she was getting an award also yeah that was awesome man poppy i mean poppy big miles garrett i see it i see it i see it now the pats currently this is my last question we'll let you go the pats were kind of slumping for like two weeks you could even talk about it into the playoffs at least their offense has been slumping what did you do to get out of a slump mentally how did you because baseball guys you guys going fucking it's up and down it's this there's 162 how do you get out of a slump for your confidence our season is so long that you get to deal with a lot of slump in the different ways and uh but but your mindset i have to be uh very strong so you can survive because one slump you fix it you're good to go that's fine but two is long three is long four is long because the season is too long in football you don't have that much room you can only slump for a quarter you don't say you don't have that much room so i guess when i used to get in a slump i want to watch a lot of tape i want to go back to my hot mechanically because baseball players and i'm pretty sure any other athlete any other sport mechanic is is fundamental if your mechanic is not right you're not going to be able to execute people to study your move where you want to go why you are so successful when you get that ball and start running they want to analyze they want to be they want to go into the tape to just watch you move over and over and over and over but when those move are not working for you you are the one who watched the tape to see how you can fix it as soon as possible so bottom line is when you are struggling you have to stay on top of your game and do not let anyone change your mindset because a slump and a struggle sometimes make you doubt about yourself and if you are not strong enough mentally it'll get worse because now you're walking away from your game you're walking away from your nature you're walking away from the things that got you there and make you be that big unit that one guy that come through you know what I'm saying so one thing that people need to pay attention in a slump is make sure your mindset is right it's in the right direction the way you know that you can get it done don't you ever change that mindset and work them fundamentals oh that's right little baby fundamentals there's little things that make a big mother difference those are the things all right I gotta ask who's your pick for the world series man I tell you I have in my mind that the Dodgers are the team to beat and I know they don't look the way they normally like to look in the last game but that doesn't mean anything the Dodgers the Dodgers they look like they look invincible I mean think about this you have to face guys like Scoobo Snail Yamamoto Glasnow I mean you're talking about the top of the top their bullpen incredible and then when you go to the lineup Otani Mugdani McDowell Freddie Friedman Max I mean they have they have they have they have they have an A and a B team in one ball club yeah you know what I'm saying and the Dodgers they are extremely smart the way they handle the business with their player throughout the regular season how they take care of them in a type of way they're not they're not that when it comes down to the playoff you just don't know where the punch is going to come from you got guys like Pajes Rojas utility guys that you saw what he did last year in the World Series I mean the Dodgers are very compact and I think they're going to repeat the three peak who they beaten they're going to have to go down I feel like they're going to go down against Tampa Tampa the Yankees the Yankees are looking very weird I mean they did something in the game last night that I can't remember what was the last time I saw that many errors come on man you had when you had Cam Fittler in the mound you cannot make a mistake you cannot make a mistake and they did so many mistakes last night they look weak they look weak man but they still got game going on who knows who knows but Tampa was the best thing in the American League and they are 2-0 right now so for them to beat Tampa three times in a row it's going to be hard bro you can't it's going to be hard I only know one team that can do that bam 0-4 0-4 last question before I let you go when are we taking some Mama Wanda you tell me you know I got you dog you know you're my dog you know you're my dog boy always you know you're my guy you're my brother you know that baby you're my brother we're your family we got it I'm going to come I'm going to come visit you in the DR you have to you have to come and check on Papi down there man I would love to because the last time we interviewed you you were at the baseball game your kids baseball game that's right we're on the run always you know always on the road you know I got you baby you know I got you I love you man I love you too appreciate you coming hey thank you for having me man go Sox let's go Jack you're in LA with us for the season how's it been living out here oh it's been great I actually booked a home on Airbnb out here so I could be close to you guys and produce the show in studio all season long wow I'm like an Angeleno at this point roaming around Santa Monica walking getting steps in watching ball all that stuff that's awesome with football season in full swing there are fans traveling all over the country to catch games and if you're heading out of town when a big game comes to your city you could list your place on Airbnb and make some extra cash while fans are in town your home might be worth more than you think find out how much at Airbnb.com slash host he's second year wide receiver for the New England Patriots he's the pride of Eastern Washington and he just made one heck of a game winning touchdown grab let's get on to Efton Chisholm Chisdog welcome to the show yes sir how are you doing thank you for having me I appreciate you is it Efton I like I'm gonna change your name I think we should call you F'em Chisholm the third I like that I like that it's catchy it's catchy it's catchy first of all we gotta ask you the question what's it like scoring a game winning touchdown as an elevated player shoot I mean yeah you're not even an elevated player did he not read the scouting report I don't know I don't know it is a you know it's alright he's a good player they're a good team and you know sometimes sometimes it is what it is but you know like I said he's a good player he's a good team and you know I got a bunch of respect for them and what they do over there so I'm just gonna try to continue what we do over here I love it I love it now has your phone been blowing up yeah definitely a little bit more than normal for sure but you know my mom and dad and girlfriend were at the game and you know all my close buddies pay attention to that a lot so you know those are people that I care about the most and you know that I know care about me the most and so it's pretty cool getting to share this moment with them for sure amazing has anyone has anyone outrageous hit you up got your number any of like the Boston celebrity group we have a Wahlberg text or something I don't know I can only assure you it'll probably be coming here soon bubs no none of that no I heard something did your girlfriend really pee her pants that that is that is true that's a true statement and that that did happen it was the first thing when I after the game I came out to see her she jumped on me gave me a hug and she said no like I actually peed myself and I said no way and she's like no I really did and so it's kind of been going around a little bit on Twitter she's never really been on Twitter so she's seeing some stuff she's like oh my gosh so it's kind of funny hey man that was that was a big enough play to pee your pants for like let's just say that she's all good now I want to hear what's Vrabes been preaching all week at practice this week when you were going into that Buffalo Bills game shoot our identity that's kind of been the big focus of us is you know getting back on track and you know to travel with that identity to bring it with us no matter where we're going you know we knew it was going to be a tough environment you know like I said earlier we know they're a great team and you know they got great players all across the board and so for us it was just to kind of trust ourselves and you know not live in the past and what we've been doing you know to focus on man like how do we get better one day at a time and then ultimately that leads up to Sunday and how we'd be at our peak on Sundays amazing what's the identity? you said it what is it? shoot I mean the big thing for us is effort and finish that's the biggest thing you know obviously there's other things that come with it but that's that's the biggest standard a lot of things in my opinion and I think a lot of our opinions you can't coach effort and finish that's something that you know you just practice with or you have and you do daily and so that's a that's a thing that you know we're always going to try to do give us your favorite Mike Vrabel-ism does he have does he say anything that like he only says what's something that Vrabes is out there where you're like oh man what the hell is he coming up with today? I would say not so much saying stuff he definitely has got some good quotes and stuff but I love when when he puts the the pad on and then all of a sudden he's in the drills getting strikes and striking on people and doing all types of things so I think that's probably one of my favorite things about Coach Vrabes is that man he's in the battle he's still trying to play and he's he's a freaking players coach and you know we all love him now how many plays does he have left in the tank after feeling the strength of the pad? how many plays does he have in the freaking tank Chiz? I don't I meant his mind's different you know how it is if you're if you're locked in up there I bet you he could play he could play another game he could go around and hit some people a hundred percent how's it been working with Coach Josh? McDaniels, Mickey D's, what's that room been like? Shoot, it's been an it's been awesome. I mean, probably one of the biggest blessings in my career so far is, you know, being able to work with him and, and TD and just our room in general. But, you know, there's so much tape out there of, you know, you and, and everyone that's played in this system. That's, it's, it's so beneficial for us just to learn and to see not just, you know, a drawing of how he wants to, how he wants to run a play, but he's got evidence and tape of it. So we can go and watch it. Like, Hey, he ran it like this. You might not run it like him, but there's so many different ways to, you can, I mean, you know how, you know, how it is. Josh coach McDaniels is one of the smartest football coaches I've been around. And, you know, so getting to learn from him every day, it's been, it's been a huge blessing and, you know, I love him as a coach. So it's, it's been awesome, man. I think it's, it's one of his strengths is being able to design game plans to players strengths. Could you, would you agree with that? You know, everyone's got their own little superpower. Absolutely. Building it around, you know, we all got different, like, just like you said, he's got different stuff for different people. And he knows exactly what situations he wants to use those, that, that box in the, in his toolbox for, for, for all of us. And, you know, to get just to help the team, you know, continue to get first downs and move the ball. And like I said, he's one of the smartest football minds I've ever seen and never been around. I love it. Now take us back to a young Efton Chisholm. What was it like growing up in Kirkland, Washington? Did you eat a lot of Costco hot dogs? I, I didn't, I didn't, um, grew up small town, uh, born in Kirkland, grew up in Monroe, in Monroe, but super small town. Uh, I know that every day, every chance I get to go back, I'm trying to go back and, you know, kind of give back to the high school. And, you know, I know, I know I can't get here with, um, without them and without all the coaches and everyone that's kind of been in my corner along the way. So I I'm the type of guy that doesn't ever want to forget where they came from and, you know, always, you know, doing everything I can to help, help that, uh, my, my small town out. Amazing. I mean, you can't forget where you came from, bubs. You can't forget where you came from, especially if it's Kirkland, Washington. I mean, pizza, hot dogs under three bucks. You get a free refill. I mean, the lunches must've been elite. You got it all right there. Now you went to Eastern Washington. Can you, can you tell me why they produce so many pretty good receivers? I mean, you guys got a bunch of good receivers coming from Eastern Washington. They come Kendrick Bourne, even our colleague, Colin Coward and the herd is from Eastern Washington. What's going on with this Eastern Washington water? Yes, sir. I think, you know, it's just, um, it's, it's the evidence in, in, in, in the film, right? Like we can turn it on and you can go back and watch so many people doing great things. And for me, it started with, man, I want to be like him, you know, if he can do it, I can do it. And I think for us, guys that don't get the big opportunities, like the power fives that we all dream of, um, you know, we look to another source and growing up, my uncle actually went to Eastern. So I was a diehard Eagle fan for life and, you know, that's where I wanted to go. And that was my dream school. Um, so, you know, when you get there and you kind of go through all the archives and you see like, man, these guys are doing it, why can't I do it? And then just trying to, um, continue to follow in their footsteps. And, you know, they built the foundation, you know, I'm just trying to continue to lay bricks on top of it and try to, you know, give, uh, someone else that's going to go there here in a couple of years, or that's there now hope that man, if Efton can do it, why can't I do it? So, um, man, I, you know, I got, I love Eastern Washington. That's a home for me as well, too. So continue to rep them everywhere I go. Amazing. Have you ever, uh, you ever had a conversation with cup? You guys ever meet? Yeah. At first time actually meet was this year, um, in the Seattle game week one. So that was awesome. Um, he did, he reached out to me a couple of times in college. So, you know, he's given me, uh, tremendous amount of support and, uh, you know, uh, advice, uh, here and there going into different seasons of life and, uh, different seasons of football. So, man, he, he's been awesome for me and, you know, it's been great to look up to him for sure. That's awesome. Now, can you explain to us what it's like making it in this league as an undrafted guy to our listener? How hard is that? Yeah. I mean, shoot, it's hard, but I think if you got the right mindset and you believe in yourself, man, nobody can really stop you. It's all, it's all upstairs in my opinion. Like, um, you know, obviously God blessed me with, uh, with physical abilities and, you know, now, now it's, uh, my, my chance to train my brain and to, to make sure that, man, I have confidence in myself and everything I do in the off season, um, in the season, no matter what I'm doing, all the little things like they're going to add up and they're going to pay off at some point. Um, shoot, you don't know when it's going to happen. You don't know when it's going to happen. You don't know when it's going to pay off. Um, but it's just to continue to make your brain think that like, man, I can do this. I can do this and I'm going to do it. So, um, it's a, it's a, it's definitely tough, but I think, man, put, put your mind in anything. You can get it done. You got the right mindset, bubs. You got the right mindset. Now, uh, I got another question. Why do you think people compare us? If you had one thing to pinpoint it on, what, what do you think it is? Why, why do you think they compare us? Shoot. I'm, uh, you know, probably just, uh, the way we look, the way we look, the way we look, the way we look, the way that we're white is you can say it, but it's all right. Small white guy. That's yeah. That's, that'll, that'll probably be it right there. Well, I just want to let you know, I had to deal with it with Welker. So welcome to the club, bubs. Welcome to the club. Every time I stepped on the field, when I was at first on the team, everyone used to call me baby West. And I was like three inches taller and 20 pounds heavier. It's crazy. Why are they comparing us? Take us into inside the receiver room. What's the vibe like in there? True. It's a great room, man. I love it. Um, having guys like Rome, AJ, um, pop Mac, Kyle, like really our whole room is so special. Um, you know, we're all kind of feeding off each other. Throwing out different things. We all, I mean, everyone sees the game differently. So it's so nice to have a room to where you can kind of bounce ideas off each other of what we think about certain players or what we think works versus certain guys. And we got a great coach in Todd Downing that, you know, helps us get prepared each and every week. Um, man, like, like, like I said, again, like just a great room. And, uh, you know, it's a, it's a blessing to be in that room with those guys. Who's the, who's the funny guy. Who's the funny guy in there? Fuck. Mac is hilarious. Mac. You never know what you're going to get with him. He's hilarious. Does he roll? Have you, has Mac ever rolled up into the receiver room and you're like, bro, your feet stink because he's barefoot. I probably would be the guy to say, Hey, go put on some fucking socks right now. I'll tell you that one of the craziest things that I experienced last year was, uh, him eating with, with no silverware. Like that was, I'm next to him. And we always kind of go over the, the, the ready sheet before the game. And it was Saturday before the game. And we're sitting down, gets his big old plate of pasta and ground beef. And I'm like, Oh yeah, he's, we're about to just eat dinner and go over the sheet. And next thing you know, he just starts digging it with his hands. I was, I was like, yo, but then like once like, I'm S I just know him so well. And we're so close now. It's just like, man, every it's so normal to me now. And I was like having this conversation with him. And I was like, Oh, I'm going to have a conversation with some of the other day. Like, what do you like ask Mac when he does like the weird things? And I'm like, I don't even like, it is like, I just know him as Mac now. Like it, I just know that to be him. So I just kind of keep rolling with it. I love it. I love it. Who's the asshole in the room, but you know, that everyone kind of likes, but you know, he's kind of keeping, Hey, we got to, Hey, cut, cut the toe jam bubs. Hey, let's, Hey, let's go. Who's that guy? I think, I think Mac also does a great job at that. And I think Rome also pitches in here too. Matt, Matt, I like once you guys get it, like Mac is one of the best leaders I've kind of been around in the great locker room guy. Like he, I think first day AJ was here pretty much got on AJ for, I forgot what it was, but it was something on the tape. He was like, man, are you going to let him do that or something? And it was something along those lines. But just to see him and him build relationships with everyone. And then for him to go out in the field and play the way he does with that mindset, you know, it's pretty, it's pretty special. And you kind of see where it comes from. Like the guy he is every day is the guy he is like, he's not changing for anyone. He's not doing anything here and there. And then another guy like Rome, I think Rome throws out comments all the time. Not like in a mean way or nothing. Accountable comments. Yes. A hundred percent. A hundred percent. You guys got this new beautiful facility. How's the food? Is it still the same? Is Ted still serving the same stuff? You know, we got some great chefs back there. You know, great guys. Shoot. I like the smoothies. Smoothie Station is awesome. We got everything in there. It's very nice. Amazing. All right. Now we got the Raiders coming up this week. Playing in the National Football League. Got to have a short memory after a big win or after a big loss. What are we preparing for with these Raiders in this upcoming week? Yeah, shoot. I mean, I think they're a good team. They just had a tough battle last week with Kansas City. But like I said, I think they're a great team. They do a lot of things on defense. They got a lot of guys that fly around, make plays. So I'm excited. We know that we're going to have to prepare each and every week for a new opponent and for a tough opponent. It's the National Football League. Anything can happen any week. You're not guaranteed anything. So just kind of go back and prepare and get back to work. Now, before I let you go, you guys had a tough one where you lost to – the Raiders last year. Are you thinking about that in the prep going into this game? Shoot. I mean, I think anything from last year is last year and anything from even last week is last week. We're always trying to focus on one day at a time, one week at a time, and not get too wrapped up in what's going to happen in the future. Like let's just focus on Tuesday's off day and make sure that we're getting ahead and get some tape watched and then we'll focus on tomorrow when we get here. You know, I tried to get you. I tried to get you right there. Chiz, dog. But you got the Patriot way in there. You got the Patriot deflection in there. I see it, bubs. Man, congratulations on a great play, man. I want you to stay healthy this season. Continue with that mindset. That's the mindset you have to have. And good luck the rest of the way, bro. Thanks for coming on the Gronk & Jewel Show. Thank you so much. I appreciate you for having me, man. It's been awesome. All right. Open the bag. My dog, Rocky, is going bananas. Like I've never seen him this excited for food. You know, we started all the – and it's a dry food, so you get dry poop. That's what my dad always says. You get wet food, you get wet poop. You get dry food, you get dry poop. Dry food, the dogs love it. Human grade, human grade food. I mean, I'm not joking. My dog – 100% human grade. The dogs go crazy. They go crazy for this stuff. I'm talking go crazy for it. I think it's like beef jerky or something. Ralphie goes ham for this. After a walk, he'll sit in front of the cabinet because he knows exactly where the Sunday's dog food is, and he'll sit there until I give him some as a treat after the walk. And he'll bang. He'll cry. He'll mince a little bit. Until he gets a handful of Sunday's dog food. Make the switch to Sunday's Go Right Now. Go to SundaysForDogs.com slash Ralphie and Rocky to get your 30% off your first order. That's 30% off your first order at SundaysForDogs.com slash Ralphie and Rocky or use code Ralphie and Rocky at checkout. Jules, we have lasted a whole two days without football. It's time for a little Thank God It's Thursday. Thank God It's Thursday. Let's preview tonight's Thursday night football matchup between the 0-4 Tampa Bay Bucs and the 2-2 Dallas Cowboys. Tampa coming off a close loss to the Packers. Dallas, of course, coming off that massive win over Houston in the battle for the Lone Star State. What do you think about this one? Yeah. I mean, are we on red alert for the Buccaneers right now? Is it like, are we hitting straight panic? Rob said the other day that the heat seeder's on in the car. That's all that. That's the only hot seat. But I. I think it's scorching. It's pretty hot in Tampa. It's earned up to three. The little bar, it can go one, two, and three. It's all the way up. And it's hot in Tampa. Todd Bowles, I hate it. Never like calling for a man's job, but like, it ain't looking great. Well, if you're Dallas, you cannot lose this game. No. You can't be the team that gives Tampa their first win with an undrafted rookie quarterback at the helm. No. You cannot. So there's almost more pressure. There's more pressure on Dallas going into this game not to lose this game. Correct. And I'm a little worried about Dallas' defense. I'm a little worried. They had a couple stops last week against Houston late in the game. They had a couple stops late in the game. They did. They did when they needed them. And I'm still. I still think defense always tightens up as the season goes on because there's more stuff to study. Agreed. Where do you go, Jules, from 0-4? It carried over from last season. They've lost 11 of the last 13 dating back to last year. Like, what do you do? I don't know. I've never been in that situation. I mean, that's a full. I can't pull from experience. I've never. Never, yeah. I don't know. I mean, maybe in my Kent State days, you just got to keep chipping away. Maction doesn't count. I mean. Look, I think you just got to simplify and you got to run plays on offense that everyone's confident in, that everyone knows what to do. You're best looking. Team plays in practice. Let's run those in the game. Let's not, like, try to, you know, reinvent the offense going in with an undrafted guy. Defense, look, they've been playing pretty solid, but they got to. You need to have a couple takeaways. You got to score points in special teams. You got to score points somehow with your defense. If your offense is struggling when you had your starting quarterback, the offensive line hasn't been blocking. You're starting running back. That's the juice guy. Bucky Irvin's not in the game. May not play this week. Like, we got to. Everyone else around has to bring up their game to support this unit, which hasn't been. You know, it's been tough for the Buccaneers offense. They haven't had any rhythm, and it looks. You know, I mean, when you play against the Cowboys defense, you're going to have some decent things to expose, but you can't go out and. I think that Tampa Bay. It's just, they're so rhythmatic. There's going to be no practice this week. Thursday games, that's, you know, that's the thing. We talked about it last week. These are like mental practices. There's no physical part of practice when you play on Thursday. You know, these are all like walkthrough-type practices. How much chemistry and rhythm can you gain in a walkthrough with young football players that haven't played in-game, in-game, in-game? You know, you can't go out and play in a walkthrough. You can't go out and play in a walkthrough. You can't experience as a unit before. Like, you need actual practice for that. And going into a Thursday night game after a tough loss to a Packers team that, you know, is on life support of their own, that's going to be tough. Now, Dallas defense, let's go. Got to tighten it up. Got to start tightening it up. This could be a perfect get-right game for Dallas' defense. You know, let's do some things here. You guys have been giving up a lot of points. You guys have been giving up a lot of explosion plays. You let Nico Collins go off on you. He used an offense that was struggling, scored 30 points. Nico Collins came back. He did. The crowd looked decent. Like, there were some things to that. But, you know, I mean, you're 30th in total defense. You're 31st in rush defense. You're 31st on third down. allowing 58.8% conversions. That ain't great. Second on total offense, so that covers up a lot of blemishes. But that's a lot of pressure on the offense, you know? The one thing I think that was pretty cool was Seedy had 17 catches. Ooh. Right? Yep. But the joy that you saw out of Pickens after the game, that was something that I was like, okay, if they can keep that where everyone's happy and it doesn't matter who's balling, that's when the offense is going to be real scary. Amen. That's a cohesive wide receiver's room. That's like mental toughness doing what's best for the team when it may not necessarily be best for you type stuff. That was on the wall anytime we walked into the facility. Amen. A lot of teams can't do that. But if everyone buys into winning the game, you got to tip your cap to Pickens. You know, he only had two catches. He had a bunch of yards. But, you know, like, Pickens, would he have felt this way? I don't know. I don't know. Maybe he's maturing. I like that. Maybe he's maturing. That's a sign of growth. Shout out. Shout out, George. Shout out, George. I think he's due for a few more targets, a few more catches this game. I don't think we'll see 17 at Seedy, but my God, has he been balling this year. Well, look. I mean, just absolutely balling. As the other receiver, when someone balls out in a game, you can anticipate going into the next game that a lot of the eyes, a lot of the coverage, everything's going to be, hey, let's stop this guy. I mean, Dallas just put up, you know, 30, what, 34 points. Yep. A boatload of yards. All right. We stopped Pickens last week. That's what the last team did, you know, Houston. But let's see if we can stop Seedy. And then that's when, now Pickens is going to be able to eat and have his time. So, if everyone buys into Dallas, I think it's exciting for Seedy. that offense, for the offense. Agreed. And I honestly. think the offense started getting going last week is when giovante williams started being effective in the run game in the second half balanced offense balanced offense that's when dax is best under center play action action deck oh you know second and second and four where you open up that whole offense where you got so many different directions to go with how you want to call the game you know so i'm excited to see what dallas can do going into a game that they're supposed to win at jerry world you know they conquered some demons last week you know in that second half i was sitting there like is dallas gonna be able to do this it just seems like they never they never really have been able to just come back make the play when they needed to make a big stop and they did it last year to their you to their credit you know so it'll be exciting to see if they can compound it yes you know you got to stack them together you want to be a good football team in this league you got to be able to stack good performance after good performance after good performance facts like everyone is so talented everyone has guys that are getting paid so everyone can go out and and be a blip on the radar where you have an extreme awesome one game but the good teams they they stack them darn right just put them in the bank darn right and you can't overlook these bucks every loss has been by one score yeah this is gonna be a it's gonna be a test it's i know the records aren't there jewel's last one before we wrap is this the best wide receiver duo in the nfl pickens and cd who are the others i mean you got devon mar you got jamar and higgins you got puka and davante puka davante you got aj and dobbs for a little patriots homers homer pick there i mean they're up there they're up there i i i think jamar chase and higgins are good that's a tough one to beat that's tough justin jefferson jordan addison that's a good duo tough one there's a lot of good duos yeah they're right up there at the top but look we can answer that question at the end of the year darn right you can't answer that question in the middle of the the first quarter of the season i feel you you can't you can't answer that amen you know they had a a really good showing last week but yep we'll see what going forward we'll see going forward there's there's a lot of good playmakers right now the skill the skill groups are in the in the league right now are awesome the league is just at a in it the evolution of football speaking of evolving should we evolve into some responsible wagering i think we should evolve into some responsible wagering it's that time of the week where we early wager responsibly early wager responsibly here's here's some of the lines i've curated for you detroit minus four and a half at arizona the more i look at this one the the more scared i get detroit secondary awful can't trust them as far as i can throw them i don't care who they're playing they could be playing kent state right now and i wouldn't trust them i think we gotta think we got a good receiver you better watch your mouth over there sorry sorry sorry sorry how dare you how dare you i never never disrespect them action so we're i i liked it i liked it the other day and i liked it this morning but now that i'm looking at it and we're talking through it i don't love it both coming off tough road losses arizona we're going to win this game we're going to win this game we're going a lot of points in new york though i kind of feel like we can strike this one from the list it doesn't feel responsible wait so you think detroit's winning this game i do but i don't know about four and a half points after after last week the boys went into new york i mean they've been putting up points all all year right that's why i think this could be a whoever has the ball last shootout yeah but it's a four and a half point spread so you think arizona no but i'm just saying we're going to win this game we're going to win this game we're going to win this game we're going to pick we're trying to be responsible wagers here let's pick the the largest spread which is are usually the hardest games to call four and a half football league these are just ones we're looking through all right then we're moving on this is another one i know this is a big spread here cincinnati minus seven at miami i think this is a get right game and a get right game in a big right game for cincinnati yes he ran the ball three times last game chase brown he'll get going but look at miami three of their four losses been by 14 or more they're getting blown out in games that that that that that game i don't like that game at all okay we're not we're not even going we got cincinnati kids going into miami it's true it's gonna be a nice weekend in miami they may get there a day early god god knows who's gonna be at 11 or something i mean we don't know all right i i do not like either of these games okay we'll strike them from the list i think you're gonna hate this one as well houston minus seven at tennessee houston minus seven against anyone is not working what the hell are we this is responsible bro all right supposed to be responsible this is the most irresponsible that's why we do this before i place them before we wager all right maybe we stay away from spreads this week maybe we stay away from spreads i mean all right let's try it what do we let's pick them though all right let's pick no we don't know that would be irresponsible i mean let's move on to our over-unders we're splitting this thing up moving on to over-unders is that cool yeah maybe we don't pick a spread we don't pick sides we just go over-unders and i think you're gonna like our props later new orleans at minnesota under 42 and a half new orleans at minnesota under only one game that the vikings have played this year has gone over that i love that i think b flow is gonna turn it up i know new orleans is off yeah but has been me olave shuck no it scares me like i feel like we were preaching the same thing last year about the vikings defense early it's true and then one you know one team exploits the blitz blows it up and then they get cold this is true that's what that's what i'm thinking about when when i think but i don't think i think that that'll be safe i not to take anything away from b flow but the vikings wins three of those four have been against kind of tomato can bad teams green bay let up 22 to green bay tampa and miami i mean i just watched that game last or you watched the monday night game with new orleans yeah i mean they were terrible on third down they they got no rhythm situationally they're they're struggling like 20 to 20 they're pretty decent but they don't really have a run game no you're right not like in years past when it's been pretty solid i like the under in that i like the under in that one this one i really love indy at pit over 44 and a half uh pittsburgh offense is back to life showing some signs of life indy's defense has been really suspect all year letting up tons of points um this one feels really good to me i'm loving this one for some reason mainly because indy's defense they've let up 41 33 19 i don't know if i could do it i've been seeing they put up those way too many drop balls by these pittsburgh receivers this is true like i think aaron rogers has been playing freaking good he's been everyone wants to talk shit about aaron i this guy there's been a lot of like bad drops a lot of bad drops the guy i don't know all right maybe stay away from this one i'm staying away from that it's not responsible and then last one i don't know if i could do it i don't know if i could do it i don't but certainly not least in our over under category detroit at arizona we mentioned it earlier spread wise maybe we like it better over under wise 53 and a half is high that's a lot it's a lot of points detroit secondary oh not good and every detroit game this year has gone over that total yeah and this is an arizona offensive i like and score i love that me too i love that arizona they can score points too they can they proven it on the road at home anywhere arizona's defense isn't that bad but detroit's got you know they're going to be pissed off from last week they got embarrassed really and on prime time i think and it's in a dome in a dome look we we got to give our shine to to bryce young and the boys but man that was not good it was not great it was not great i i like that they're going to be pissed off this week go over in the desert agreed it's galore it's in a dome so goff loves it goff loves it and amman likes it too he agreed he's agreed he likes dome he likes them so uh i like that one i'm with you and let's wrap it up here real quick jules with the slot receiver prop of the week i laid a couple out here for us like last week we had success with kc conception in narrowing the scope just to thursday night football let's try the same this week if it didn't work out let's try the same this week if it didn't work out let's try the same this week over under four and a half receptions two catches last week we already talked they're going to look to get a bit more involved in the offense feed him little bit wait he's over four or over four and a half yes catches he's gonna eat that he's had seven six three and two in the prior games tb's the tampa secondary has been a little soft think he could eat their cd over under 80 and a half receiving yards coming off a massive day a record setting day 189 yards against houston 110 or more yards in three of his four games so far this season yeah that's a high number it's a high number but and i and i know it'll be enticing to probably everyone out there that's just scary to me like because what if they like just blow these guys out i know i don't know but it may not okay let's that might be a little irresponsible it's a little square and last well this is might be my favorite personally ted hirsch the third on tampa bay rookie wide receiver out of georgia state love it 22 and a half receiving yards against houston and a half receiving yards against houston and a half receiving yards i'm thinking we take that over he's gone over this number in every game so far this season i like that he's been i like that he's got speed he's a rookie i like him i like it all right i like those ones i think we were responsible i think we were very responsible very responsible way to talk through that i love it well that's what responsible guys do that's what we do darn right let's go man what an episode thanks again to eptom chisholm david ortiz gronk and i will be back monday subscribe to the gronk and jewel show on apple podcast spotify or wherever you listen to your podcast we'll see you guys then