Dave Franco

Hi, it's Rick Glassman from this podcast. We'll get right to the show, but first I wanted to let you know that I'm on my standup comedy tour, Ricky's on the loose, and I'm in Dallas this weekend. And if you're in Washington, DC, Montreal, Quebec, Edinburgh, or London in the UK, Portland or Eugene in Oregon, Philadelphia, PA, or Houston, Texas. My tickets are for sale now at rickglasmin.com. And if you want to be the first to be notified when I'm coming to your city, because I'm adding dates as we speak, go to rickglasmin.com/tour, sign it from an email list, and I'll let you know. Hey, girls, get started without me. I'll be right there. Hurry up, Rick, seriously. What are you doing? Please, I'll be right there. Now enjoy the show, the show, the show, the show, the show. I plan on where your pants work, as I thought my guest is dressing like good. He looks really good. Dave, I have a bit of OCD, I'm going to ask anything you want to put down, keep it on the blanket, or on the tray. Okay, time for one or the other. I don't. Okay, let's go tray. Can I get you something to drink? I got caffeinated, non-caffeinated options. I would do, I would do a still water if you got it. I'm going crazy, man. Is there anyone that this dog has not liked? Nope, nope. Okay. I don't want to take anything away from you. I know. Fantastic, and I'm a fan, but if that dog doesn't like you, it's because your pants are too, I don't know. Which one do you think? Have you tried all these different ones? Have you taste tested? Yeah. Which one's the best? No, I haven't tasted this one yet. Okay. That was actually saving this one. Okay, should I have that one? You saving it for me? No. You saving it for yourself? Yeah, split it with you. If the pod's going well, I'll split this one. That's nice. Okay, for a split. There we go. In the meantime, you're going to be shocked. Okay. I'm big in the glass water bottles. This is the Evian. Evian is it's classic. Yeah. I've heard of it. I've tried them all. It's always shocked. Yeah. Yeah. What's the what's the going to the bathroom protocol if we're chugging water? Just go where you just go. I thought I'd put a blanket down. Okay, okay. I'm right there. I do want to give a free plug to my favorite glass bottle of water, which it's hard to find right now, but I messaged them in the coming back in September. Tell me. Glacial. Oh. Glacial ice. Okay. They're coming back. They went away. They only have plastic bottles at the moment. Interesting choice. Yeah. They ran out of the glass. But that was always your favorite? It became my favorite this year. Why? I used to be a mountain valley guy. I don't want let's just say that. Okay. Interesting. I used to be a mountain valley guy and I'll still drink it. But that's my first choice. Okay. How do you feel about mountain valley being my first choice? I'm sad. I don't have any. I was going to say you gave me four options. None of them my first choice. 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Portland, Oregon, Eugene, Oregon, and Philadelphia, PA in September. Houston, Texas to come to Washington in October, Salt Lake City in November. I'm gearing up trying to get ready to film my special. If you want to come see me work my hour, come to one of these shows. If I'm not in your city, I'm adding more cities. Go to rickglasement.com/tore. Give me your email address. Tell me your zip code and I'll email you if I'm coming within 50 miles of your city. Be first to find out when I'm coming near your city. That's rickglasement.com/tore. Enjoy the episode. Oh, yeah. You're going to be happy with this. All right. Not as happy as my babies. How many times do you not say you're going to be happy with this? You ever said you're not have you ever not said you're going to be happy with this? Yeah. Okay. And I say that when I meet like if I look at it and I think I'm good. I say that. Okay. I see the playful way. Okay. But yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I hear you. I have been having a run of really good looking guests. Okay. So I'm projecting they'll be happy because I'm like, oh, wow. Yeah. No, I trust you. I like it. And you were saying 90% of the time you're in shorts. At least. What would you say? I like 95. Okay. I feel I should feel honored dressed up for me. I wear pants if I'm like doing something after or I came from doing something. Yeah. Or if I feel like the guest, I don't know why. I don't know if I think of you as a fashion guy. I just thought like you may be. I'll take it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'll take it. Did I live up to your expectations? What the fuck? You don't have to answer that. I can't hear you. Okay. Okay. Say it again. Yeah. Okay. Do it. Do your thing. I've thought often about if I could ever have Obama on this podcast. Okay. How much I would want to just with him be okay with it. Of course, spend the entire episode doing this. Do you know your outfit that you'd wear for Obama? Yes. What would it be? I would want to show up as authentically as possible with him. Okay. And what does that look like? It would be shorts on the bottom, but a suit suit. Is that true? You'd actually do that? I don't know. That's what ACDC, who does that? Yeah. The main guy. I do. I have thought that because I love shorts and I don't like pants that much. For my wedding, I would love to first find somebody to marry. Sure. And then second, third, fourth, fifth. And then somewhere down the line is I would want shorts, but like read nice up top. That's nice. Where did you go? Do you want nice? I'm okay. Like I'm at like any jewelry? What do you got? Let me see. Have a bunch. Kind of a throwaway joke. Scoot, do, blebbedy blue. Scoot, do, oh yeah. And obviously right away, the Rubik's Cube. Are you a Rubik's Cube guy? I kind of used to be. I think I do it the slow way. Are you a good Rubik's Cubeer? I'm not good at doing it the slow way. Okay. Interesting. What's your record time? I don't time it that much. I really, I don't, that's not why I do it. But when I was doing it, pussy, I used under a minute. I was relatively consistent under it, but close like in the 50s to 60 seconds. That's nice. I don't think I've ever been under a minute. You're already winning. That's what I hear. I want to come clean. Give it. That's why I went to function health to get an STD check. But they sent me your movie late last night. Late last night. And they told me about it during, I don't know when, but like after I finished a podcast, like afternoon, okay. And I didn't get the link until late last night. And then it wasn't working. So then my, my, my booker sent me and he made an account and he got last night. I'm like, I'm tired. And I was going to wake up this morning and do it. And I woke up. I walked it. I did not worry. Do not worry. I am going to yell at a couple of people. This is the second podcast that they've someone just told me this. The link wasn't working. I can't say the link was it working. The link, the account, I couldn't, I couldn't make an account. You didn't watch the movie. I didn't watch the movie. And I, and I genuinely, I don't like this. I believe you. I believe you. Yes, that's okay. That's okay. We could go one of two ways. Okay, give it. We could take this part out. Okay. Or leave this part in. And for the rest of the episode, I could make up stuff. No, no, no, we're not going to do that. I'm joking. Yeah, yeah. But that's, I don't like it for multiple reasons. But like, you're coming on here to do this and promote this thing. Sure. We all got, we got things going on, man. I'm never, I'm never going to be upset about that. If you can watch the movie, that's almost a bonus for me. If you can't, I get it. You'll, you know what? You will you do me, will you do me a favor? Yes. Go see the movie when it's out. Here's what I'm, here's what I will guarantee. I don't like where you're going with this already. Oh, you know, I could put on shorts. Okay, give me, throw me a fucking ball. All right, all right. I'm listening. I have a streaming link. Maybe I'll buy a ticket. Okay. But I'm going to watch it tonight. Oh, I actually, there's a friend of mine. We were going to watch it yesterday and it couldn't get it working. And we'll watch it today. Can I ask is this, have you seen the trailer? No. Okay, that's okay. The least you could have done is what do you know about the movie? I know that it takes place in the 90s in the Philippines. Are we talking? Oh, I'm here promoting that movie. That's what they sent me. Okay, I'm under. Wait, what movie are you promoting? Okay. This is interesting. You're talking about a Dreamer's animated movie called Forgotten Island. Correct. I thought I was here talking about a movie called Idiots. Have you heard of this one? This is wild. Okay, the crazy thing is also the way what a natural organic way to like, there we go, we're just kind of laying the seats, yeah, yeah, yeah. - Okay. - Okay. - All right. Is there a trailer for it now? - There's a trailer for Idiot. - Yeah, for both. - Can I just watch the trailer for Idiot's real quiz? - Is that weird for me to watch you watch the trailer? - No. - Okay, pull it up. There's two. There's a quick teaser and then a pretty quick full trailer. - Let's do a full trailer. Idiot's, do you know this? - No. - And here's the thing, man. This is why we got it. This is why promotion is the thing. Idiot's trailer, it's just a big picture of me. Idiot's trailer, there's a minute 56 version. - And that's probably the longer. - And there's a minute 19 version. - Ehh, it's not that big, it's a minute 56. - Okay, so I'm gonna plug this in. I don't know how YouTube is gonna do, what they're gonna do with this, because I don't know if I could show it, but John Michael obviously will either just keep the reactions and will voice over change this, or we'll be able to show it. - Watch that shorter one first. - Short first. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I'm only making you do this because we're very proud of these trailers. We put a lot of work in. And now I'm putting a lot of pressure for you to react positively. Are you part of the editing for this? - Are you producing? - Are you producing? - I'm a big part of the marketing. I'll talk about that in a second. - Yeah. - Whoa, oh, boys. - I. - Let's finish this. - Fuck it! - Yeah. (gun shots) - Hey, hey, hey. - Your mom. (gun shots) (whistling) - Like anything? (screaming) (gun shots) - Fucking demon! - Someone now, idiots. - ♪ Serious of the phone to live ♪ - All right, give me honest reaction. - Great. - Honest reaction. - The short one? - Yeah. - I have no idea what it's about. Yes, that's what a tease is all about. But you're intrigued. Did you have vibrate? - This is about tone. Great. I remember the first time I saw something like that. I spoke on this on a podcast not too long ago. First time I saw something where I'm like, "What is this?" But I was interested was District 19. - District 9? - District 9. - District 9. - Yes. - Do you remember the promotions for that? - We just rewatched that movie recently. It holds up. - Great movie. There was billboards and posters, but you didn't even know it was a movie. - Oh, it was like. - It was something about District 9. What's going on? - I don't remember. And I remember like they were doing it for a while. And then eventually it was District 9, but then you saw an alien or something. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Or a robot. And like, wait, what the fuck is this? - Is this? - That's what a Taylor's for. We shouldn't give away too much. You just want to know the general feeling. So. - I hate spoilers so much that like, if people tell me how they felt at the end of the movie. But now you're letting me know how it resolves. And I genuinely don't watch trailers if I know I'm gonna see something. - I'm 100% with you. - That being said, I disagree with not giving away. Like people have said that about like podcast clips. You don't want to give too much away. It's not a narrative. It's not the same thing. But like, I still want to, I don't want there to be any spoilers. - Yeah. - But I still want to like, if there's funny moments, show them. - Well, that's kind of the art of the trailer, right? Where it's like, all right, we gotta give them enough. We can't give them like all the best stuff. - In a very, very good way. I own nothing about that. - I said I probably would have sent that to somebody. - Do you want to watch the full trailer? Okay. - I'm gonna find out a little bit about the movie now. - Just a little bit, not too much. - You're a monster, man. Stop it, stop it. - Get out of my car. - Get out of my car. - Hold up, get out of my car. - Hold up, hold up, hold up. - Oh boy. - You know what we do here? - Five rich kids to rehab. - She'd drive a choice. - I'm gonna ask it over 20 times. - Oh, baby, eagerly insane. - Mark. - Be very careful. - We treat all of our clients with the utmost care. - You're gonna be fine. - I mean, you can't hold up him. - I keep the media. - He's famous for it. - What? (whistling) (upbeat music) - I make a fool of text on you. - Oh, shit. - Shit, I'm so sorry. (upbeat music) - Are you familiar with the philosophy that everyone's just doing the best they can? (upbeat music) - I'm gonna just toss your pants, okay? - Yeah, sure. Thank you, but she appreciates you, man. - We're all doing our best here, sir. (upbeat music) - So you were like the transporter? - Yeah, yeah, I am like the transporter. (upbeat music) - August 28th. - Right. - Honest reaction. - Oh, there's a tag. - No, no, that's not one of this. - That was a honest reaction is genuinely awesome trailers. - Yeah. - Great trailers, great work. Those are very hard to do. - Very hard. - Please, please, no, please. - So your dream works movie, what's it called? - Forgotten Island. - So I was gonna watch it last night. I already have plans to watch it with somebody. So watch that today. That I would love to see in the theaters. - There we go. - That's what I wanna see in the theaters. - Okay. - No disrespect to dream works, dream works is king. - Here's a twist. - I'm happy watching that on the couch. - Here's a twist. I really think you should see both in theaters. The other one is amazing too. - It's not that. I don't think it's not, I only wanna see good movies in theaters. - Yeah. - I wanna see either comedies where we're laughing together. - Absolutely. - Or action where I don't have the setup. - I get you. - And respect, I'm a big advocate for the theaters. I almost want to just say it to say it. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - I have a link and I already made plans to watch it. - I get that. Are you an animated fan in general? - Yeah. - Okay. And will you see other animated movies in theaters? - I don't know if I've seen an animated movie in theaters since the Lion King. - Oh, that's interesting. - I must have. I'm probably wrong. - But it's not, you kinda have this theory of like, okay, I'm going to the theaters for action or comedy. - Yeah, I mean, if somebody said you wanna go see this, I would go. I mean, pre-COVID, I went to two movies a week. Now I go see either what I wanna see or when I'm invited. I would love to be able to say my number is higher, but I probably maybe go twice a month if that now. - Sure. - And that's not nice. And I should be going more. - Can I sell you on this forgotten island movie? I don't know. - Wow, okay, here we go. Do you know anything about it? - All I know is it takes place in my favorite year, the 90s, when Lion King came out. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - And in the Philippines, Joe Coy, see Filipino. - Yeah, he is, and he's in the movie. - Oh, that's right, he's in the movie, yeah, yeah, yeah. - Okay, I'm gonna give you the quick pitch. - Give me the minute 58 version. - Okay, let's see, let's see how this time's out. - Yo, what's up, everybody? It's your boy, day, day, day. - Waking. - I'm bringing you a new movie for DreamWorks Animation. It's called. What an island. - It's about two girls. - Two girls. - That's friends, it's tile hood. We catch them on their final night together in the Philippines before one of them's moving to the States to go to college. It's better sweet. During that night, they get sucked into the sand. - Sucked into the sand. - Into this portal, and they get transported to the Cali Island. - The Cali Island. - This is a mythical island of the Philippines, baby. - While they're there, it's exciting at first. - Twins. - They realize the only way off the island is if they give up their memories. - Suck in the sand. - But if they give up their memories, they might forget each other forever. This shit is emotional. It's nostalgic. It's laugh out loud, funny. It's a little scary. - Two girls. - Got it all, baby. It's psycho. - Brilliant. - It's funny. - I feel like we did, it was like a 7.8 out of 10. - Unfortunately, I don't even like to put numbers of stuff until I see it, but I'm guessing with what you did and with our editor, John Michael's able to do, we're a nine five men. - Nine five. - We know what we're doing. - Okay, let me ask you. - Idiot's looks awesome. - Thank you, thank you. Let me talk about that real quick and then we'll come back to Forgotten Island. So Idiot's, this is a movie that I have been talking, I'm talking to the director about for 10 years. So, do you know this guy, Makin Blair, he's also an actor, he directed a movie called, I don't feel at home in this world anymore. You ever heard of this one? - No, do you know what I'm saying? - Put it on the list. It's fucking awesome. - I don't feel at home anymore. - I don't feel at home in this world anymore. - Okay. - So Makin, have you ever seen the movie Blue Ruin? - No. - Okay, put this on the list. This is a perfect thriller. - Three months of market for all these lists. - Blue Ruin, perfect thriller, Makin's the star of that movie. Anyway, I saw his first movie that he directed and I reached out and I said, "Hey man, I love your shit, I will do anything with you." So, this was 10 years ago. At the time, he had the script for Idiots. So, he sent that to me and I was just too young to play this role. And so, we like amicably parted ways. Eight years go by. So, now we're at like two years ago. You with me? Okay. So, we're two years ago, I reached out and I was like, "Whatever happened with that script, I'm old now, let's go." And so, he was like, "Ah, it fell apart, it almost went." And I was like, "I'm here. If I can help in any way, like, use me please." And he was like, "All right, let's fucking go. Let's try to get the money. Let's attach you as this actor and as a producer and let's see what happens." And so, this is one-- Did you talk to him in those, during those eight years? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Been trying to find stuff from literally the entire way through. Um, so when I came on as a producer, there's two other main roles in this, uh, I had worked with O'Shea Jackson, Jr. Do you know, and I personally, yeah, he's fucking awesome. I had worked with him a handful of years ago on a Quibi project. Remember Quibi, RIP, um, and we just got along so well. I was like, I know I need to say, and then I just worked with this kid, you know, Mason Thames. Have you seen the live action, how to train your dragon movie? He's the man. I just great movie. Great movie. He's rewatched it recently, actually, it's, he's, he's incredible, right? He's just, that kid's got it. So I was like, all right, I got my guys and it's, it was one of these things where it was hard to get the money. And as you know, when you're making these smaller films, we're sprinting the whole way through, but I'm surrounded by my people and like, when you actually push these things through and you do get the money, you then get to take some risks. It's like, all right, we're here. We're on set. We're making this weird thing. Let's fucking have fun with this. I want to ask you a lot of questions about that. Give it. Okay. Who knows what made it in, but during our, our, our MTV pitch, a forgotten island, I gave some notes and you either honestly or playfully or combination of the two like, oh, geez, anything else. Let's try it. I'm not giving you a line read. I'm just reminding you an energy. Got you. Yo, what's up everybody? It's your boy Rick Glassman and I'm excited to tell you something. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Got you. Got you. All right. Here we go. Two girls. No. Sorry. Sorry. I need that. It's your boy day franco. Anything else you need? Nope. Sure. Yes. All right. That's my energy. I'm going to interrupt. I'm going to ask stuff. So I don't want to annoy you. No, no, no, no. This was more, if I push back, it was because I didn't want to exhaust myself at the beginning of this to the point where like, I got nothing left for you, but I'm here. I'm with you. Great. Moving forward. Does anything like that? I don't anticipate. Oh, yeah. Say, I don't want to burn my energy. I'm like, oh, I got it. I've been in this business for quite a bit, but not at the level, nowhere near the level of what you do. And I have friends that do stuff and I understand some stuff, but I get curious about certain things that you just brought up. Like, what does that look like? Okay. And I want to ask. And I'm going to interrupt some. Please. And you can say, Rick, shut up. Please. Okay. So 10 years ago, you're too young. You see a script. You like it a lot. You're like, okay, I want to do this now. What does the, what what do you, what's step one? Okay. Step an agent, like a production company. In terms of when I revived it or like, it's 20, it's 2024, and you're like, hey, man, let's take a look at this. Idiot script again. Okay. Great. What's the first step you do now that you two are on board? Okay. So went back to the director. He's like, yes, let's go. The first step, God, what was the first step? We put together the rest of the cast. I was like, all right. So before anything else, you're like, who could play these roles? So I could go and say, hey, these people are interested. Here's a nice package that we can present to the financiers. That stuff. I think that was the very first step. Before you even know who financiers could be. Absolutely. It helps with that, you know, going to these financiers, now it makes the package that much more attractive. Now that we have these other two great actors. Hey, I got O'Shea Jackson. Yeah. I got, I'm forgetting his name, I forgot his name, I forgot his hair to Jackson. Yeah. Dragon. We want to make this thing, is this exciting to you? Absolutely. So then- Who sets up those meetings? That's agents. So agents set up meetings with the financiers. We then go into those meetings and basically, they've read the script at that point. They know who's attached. And now it's us just kind of selling the vision and it's a lot of our director talking about just kind of how he wants to do it, how he wants to actually execute it. And- Do you remember anything he said? Gosh. I mean, with him because he had done directed a movie before that's somewhat in the same tone as this, that's already a good calling card for him. He can point to that where people already know he's capable. They're like, oh, that movie fucking rocks. I know that he's going to bring something interesting to this one as well. As opposed to a first time director, you really got to sell yourself more. You might have to come in with, you know, some sort of vision board type thing, just to kind of really lay out the tone and the look and the visuals, all that stuff. Then what? Okay, so then- Also, do you feel comfortable talking money with stuff like what your budget was for this movie? That's an interesting question. Let's say it's small, it's small, it's sub five, yes. Sub five million dollars. Yes. Yes. So from there, you meet all the financiers, you kind of get a grasp of who's really interested, who's kind of on the fence. What if there's some, what if there's three people they want to do it? This person wants to give you three million, five million, six million. But these people love you in this project and these people like this is just something we do. Does that matter to you? You kind of get an energy of like who really sees what you're trying to do and as opposed to like someone else might give you the money, but you already feel that they're on a different page creatively and you know they're going to interfere in a way that's not going to be fun. So it 100% matters, I'll take less money if I'm pairing up with someone who really feels aligned with us creatively. Specifically because you want them to let you do what you guys want to do. That's the only reason. I think so. Yeah. At the end of the day, you want to make the movie you want to make. First, we're open ideas and like everything's a conversation, but you just don't want to be in a scenario where people are strong arming you and forcing you to do shit. You don't want to do. Hey, we're giving you the money for this. We don't like this ending. Exactly. Exactly. Um, so I feel like let me throw this back at you real quick. I'm talking about. What happened in a movie you were in? Say it again. Tell me. I'm forgetting the name of the movie, but whatever the movie you were in in the studio. Oh, right. They didn't like the end. Alphabet city. Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. The motel, my I had a who I didn't realize is such a good friend of yours. I was over yesterday. I do. Right. We were talking about it a little bit. Yeah. Isn't like great. It's also a good show. Dude, we're talking, but this is the long form. I'm interrupting. Yeah. There are certain people that when they come over, it's and the way I could best describe it is it's that you don't have to be Jewish. But if you are Jewish from the Midwest, or if you have Midwest Jewish energy at least MW J.E. Yes. It's like, all right, you know, like these coasts sometimes too. And like, I just I want to play with him every day. I know. It felt like a friend. Ike is maybe the most liked person I've ever met in my life. Anyone who's ever met my Ike is like, this is the person I said exactly what you're saying. Doesn't matter who you are. You just like want to melt into him. We did Ike and I were going on. It's a little closer. Sorry. Yeah. Ike and I have been in a few projects together over the years. We I think the first one was neighbors. And so we got to know each other on neighbors. We then kind of fell in love on this Apple TV show called The After Party. And then on great show. I've only seen a few episodes. Yeah. I also think Sam Richardson is one of the funniest people in the world. I agree. Great show. Thanks, man. And then we like solidified like our lifelong bond on the studio. And during the after party, we play kind of rivals in every scene. And this is just kind of what naturally came out of us. It was like in every scene, you didn't know if we were going to fight or if we were going to fuck. And that's just kind of what Ike brings out of you. It's you. And you're giving me nothing. You're giving me nothing. Did you want to fuck Ike at any point in your interview? What I'm taking from that is no, but what I'm taking from that is, and I know what you're talking about literally because I love like repartee and I love flirting. And I don't be flirting with the intention of like any romantic instance, but still talking sexual, being physical, whatever. And yeah, there's very much a like I could see that flirting vibe. Absolutely. Also, you're neurotic, dude. Tell me more from the, and I understand the stakes are low here. But asking if the dog sits with everybody, asking about, you know, do I say that about everybody? You're not giving me anything. I'm worried about burning off my energy. I don't think it's neurotic. It is. It might be a little bit. I think it's more a lot of curiosity. I ask a lot of questions. People have made fun of me. Is my stomach hurt? Why does my back hurt? No, no, not like that. Not like that. I like know everything about myself. So I get bored of me. And so when I meet people, I can't help but ask a lot of questions because I'm like, how else do people get to know each other? But people make fun of me and they call me 20 questions. Okay. Well, I'd like to challenge you on something. Give it. You know everything about yourself, first of all. I think that's true. Second of all, curiosity is great unless you're a cat. But there is a neuroses in you. Okay. Allison was on here. Yes. And I had said something because I don't, I only, I don't know, I've seen you in so many things. And when you see people playing characters, the through line is, oh, I think I see a little of who this person is, right? Yeah, I know what you're saying. And I thought of you and she, she, I remember, like, was felt the need to defend you. And to me, it's like, this is my identity. I thought of you as a bit of a nerdy guy. Okay. I don't remember what the word I used was, but I thought that was like a cool nerd. Okay. Okay. And I'm now wide. I think that I don't know. And I'm noticing, I think there's, it does feel like you're hyper aware of, you're hyper aware of a lot of stuff. So when you're not, you're very curious of like, what am I missing? Yeah. Because you would know what I'm missing. That resonates. For sure. And just, I want to, I want to know the context of everything that we're doing. Like, I've listened to your podcast before, but I haven't listened enough that I know that Alvin sits with everyone or that the only time he's not sitting with you is if you actually push him away. I, I don't know that, you know, you don't say to every guest, you're going to like how you look. Yeah. Nobody knows that. This is your man's warehouse. Well, but also I want to get into things that maybe you don't necessarily talk about all the time on this. Yeah. Well, the only way I could do that with doing so many episodes is is it's not about subject matter of talking about. It's like connection. Yeah. And like, not just who are you, but because I'm not that good at what I do or I don't know why do you say that I don't mean that in an assault doing it. I just I know my strengths okay and maybe there's others that I'll find yeah, but one of them that I'm aware of isn't like I'm not an interviewer I can't find out about tell me about you know what got you into acting I'm not interested in that as much as I am what is your energy with me here yes yes what is this okay and this is like do you do we do smoke weed not as not nearly as much as I used to your somebody who I want to get high with and not necessarily maybe silly but not to get high with because like this I feel that you seem like like I don't even articulate like um this isn't the best word and there's a negative connotation to this and they don't mean it that way but kind of okay you seem stressed oh that's the furthest from what I am yeah because you're so you're you're a you're a mellow guy yeah yeah yeah so what am I picking up on I think part of it okay I don't know if I've ever kind of been able to articulate this out loud so bear with me when when I'm doing when I'm doing press versus just living my life I I it's not like I'm being an inauthentic version of myself but I think I am turning it up a little bit because I want it to be entertaining I want to I want this to be a fun conversation right not that in life I don't want to have fun conversations but I think I am a little bit more of a subdued version of this and I was I was actually kind of talking about this with the friend the other day and I think a way to put it too is like again this is genuinely me I'm not putting on anything but in a weird way even though it is amped up it's also maybe like the most authentic version where like this kind of is me when I'm like with my closest friends and I am jacked up and I have no filter and I'm just like trying to just like go with whatever's in front of me having no filter and being in press mode are almost mutually exclusive so I'm confused there I think I got to a point in the last handful of years where I think if you talk to most actors they would say they don't love doing press right um and I I felt that way back in the day and I think I just changed my mindset about it where I'm like okay if I'm promoting a project especially if I really like it let it's August 18th we go 24 20 you threw me out 28th there we go um let's lean in let's lean in let's have fun with this like this can actually be a good time if I just let myself be free and is this was this the question like yeah what I got from that was that makes sense it's you're coming in here here being press not here being necessarily just you and me yeah with like a motivation and kind of an expectation like you're here to do something yeah yeah that is I'm like that makes sense yeah so I want to make sure that I'm coming in here and doing my job this is a job yes sort of yes as opposed to like if you catch me just on a regular day just hanging out with someone in my life I'm not going to be probably talking as much as I am right now I'm probably not going to be quite as animated it's just I settle in a little bit more in my daily life yes um I've experienced that in my life in the inverse okay where I I'm still an annoying person but I used to not know that I everyone has there annoying moments but it's like if you cross the line and you don't know it you'll keep going okay if you cross the line you know it you then have the choice of like bringing it back or not I'm not I'm not agreeing with the fact that you're an annoying person but from your point of view when did you become conscious of that nine years ago okay and what happened I kind of went through this this thing in my life where I came into some self-awareness I've talked about on the podcast I I don't want to make get too much into it yeah yeah but was it one moment or was it over time um there was an inciting incident that kind of connected me to unrelated patterns of my past uh like oh I I had to go to special I was in special classes at first and I had to go to this special school uh and I and and then I got into some trouble with some stuff and then I was not included in things and so let me just to clarify you don't think you necessarily change that much since then but it's more of a self-awareness about it I think that my character is much the same yeah but I have I have more awareness than I used to okay or I could now make choices that I didn't have the information that example yeah if you were to say hey Rick um you're you're you're being too loud right now I could either be like fuck you I'm not being too loud you know like or I could be like oh I didn't realize I was being too loud now that I know you feel that way I I want to make a different choice what if I said that to you 10 years ago how would you respond um if I if I would either respond with oh I didn't realize I was being loud which would be best case scenario or I would think that you were wrong be like no it's fine and what it's wrong it's not it's not even like an aggressive it's wrong like it's if you were to tell me I'm being loud now I'm recognizing oh either you're sensitive to sound or you have a headache or we're talking about something that's that's private you don't want other people to hear there's so many options okay before I wouldn't realize that you have your own reasoning I would just be like am I being too I oh no I'm being fine that makes sense it was that it was clueless of other people's perspective can I ask just jumping back to you saying you're not a good interviewer this how long has this been going on for now seven years wow how how quickly into that seven years did you just kind of allow yourself to be who you are from the beginning okay if you're looking for just the right flooring you need choices heavy honestly yeah I'm having a great time just to my first time at fringe I'm staying at a lovely hotel maybe it's a jet-like I haven't been able to get a good night's sleep obviously I didn't want to be rude I I think you're incredibly handsome and you 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And we promise with more than 50 years as a family-owned business, we've got you covered. My intention wasn't to be an interviewer. My intention at first was I have very funny friends. I want to film stuff in laugh. Yes. Then I started realizing that this was an excuse to have friends. Oh, okay. Does that make sense? Yeah, yeah. Not just to have friends. Like I don't, didn't have friends as much as like, hey, do you want to come over and talk for two hours? Are you saying that there was a lot of these people that you were like either very cordial with or, you know, you knew in passing, but then through this you've actually become really close friends with them. Yes. I want to address something and you could, I'm becoming a bit insecure that I'm talking too much about this. Not at all. Not at all. I'm very fascinated and I'm locked in, so please talk as much as you want. I had, there were people that I was kind of friends with or acquaintances that had become good friends. There were people that were friends that had become best friends. Okay. There are people that I grew through. Through this specifically. Oh, yeah. Wow. Let me, let me throw this at you. So it's, it's interesting because even with the people that you're closest to in your life, when you put them in this type of scenario, you actually end up talking about shit that you've never talked about before. Are you putting a magnifying glass on it? Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, I, I get why you then through this format, you become closer with people is what I'm trying to say. Also, play is like playing with friends, like when we were kids, you're like, hey, do you want to play over like that language? I still think of that. I want to play with people. Yeah, yeah. I connect so much with doing games with people. Then, wait, why did you do that? I was, you know, like, then that kind of stuff. There are people that I've looked up to. The best example of this is David Wayne. Okay. Have you ever worked with him? No, but I'm a huge fan. Now we're legitimately friends and we talk and we collaborate and like, and like we had this, I had him on my couch and I was able to ask him questions that would be a dream. Hey, would you go get coffee with me and let me ask you stuff? Yes. Okay. So I don't want to think of this as an interview. I think of this as a conversation and showing up as I am as you are and maybe we could find something fun. As my podcast has gotten a little bit more successful, I've been having the opportunities to have people on that. I have no personal relationship at the moment. And the exchange of value is me. I have a friend and playing something and creating a product. And for you is promoting something that I hadn't seen yet, but love the trailers. There we go. So, so like within that, go ahead. I was going to ask, what's percentage of people who come on now are people that you're meeting for the first time? A fair amount. Oh, okay. And did that change just in the past couple of years? Yes. It was really just friends at first from for years. Friends or like like I did a movie with Bill Burr. I've been a fan of this for years. We don't really know each other, but I did one day with him and became close enough to where it's like, hey, I'll come on your podcast. And then I had Bill on who is, as I'm sure, any community you ask, if not top right up there. And I'm like, were you talking to me for two hours? Yes, yes. And like he's laughing on the couch and I'm like, this is fucking the best. Yeah, yeah. I've always felt authentic. I feel that's the best I can be. It doesn't necessarily make a great product, but it's consistent. That's interesting. You're saying there could be like a really great conversation that you had. You felt this was really strong. You put it out and it doesn't mean it's necessarily one of the better episodes. What I mean is I'm showing up as I am and the other person who knows nothing about me is on such a different frequency that we are disconnected for 90 minutes. And it's fine. And we do it. And whatever. Okay. It doesn't feel special. Yeah, yeah. Like this, what I'm having with you, I'm both feeling insecure. Like I'm talking too much about me and this stuff. That's interesting. And too, this feels special to like this feels like I feel connected with you right now. Okay, good. Yeah, I agree. I agree. Can I ask you something else? Are you seven years of doing this? Do you still get nervous ever? I get nervous. I mean, yeah, I get nervous often, but nerves, nerves for me feel, I remember I had a moment where I was, I'm a standup. Yes. And I was going on stage. I remember I was really nervous. I've said this on the pod before, but I remember this was years ago. I felt really nervous. And I was, the host was about to bring me up. Yeah. I was at the Hollywood improv and my hands were sweating and I started wiping. And then I realized, like, oh, I'm, I'm, this happens all the time. I'm a, I'm a nervous guy. Why am I hiding this? Okay. Okay. So instead of like worrying about being nervous and letting that spiral me, I just went on stage nervous. Do you talk about it? Do you like something? I talk about it if I have a point of view on it. Okay. Otherwise, I'll be like, you know, if you're talking to a friend and you burp and you keep talking, you say, excuse me, but like, oh, my gosh, I had so many beans or whatever. Yeah, yeah. It's just an imperfection that happens and it doesn't stop me from being present anymore. Okay. I still get nervous because I'm supposed to. Okay. Okay. Do you? Okay. Podcasting. You're saying them right? Yeah. What are the names of other options? What could it have been? Potting. Casting. This is what I'm talking about. Wonderful. Like, there's something weird about you. Okay. Yeah. You're not insecure. So like, what are you doing? Let me, let me keep going. So you do podcasting. Potting. Potting. Potting. Potting. You do stand up and acting. You, is that for acting? Yeah. Tell me about it. No, no, keep going. This is a running gag I do when it's an award I won for a show I did and, uh, uh, that's not a gag. Well, it is. It's a running bit of me doing this to play arrogant and now it became real. But what show? It's called as we see it on Amazon Prime. Okay. Great show. I'll send you a link. Can't wait. Keep going. How would you rank those in terms of what you're best at and not what you're most popular at? What you feel the most like the strongest with. Yeah. Yeah. And then I have to ask you questions. Okay. Okay. Um, my favorite thing to do is to collaborate. Okay. Um, I, the first time I started having friends was high school when I started playing basketball. Yeah. I was on a team and I've said this analogy before, but I remember that feeling of like, if I do something good, other people get value from that. Yeah. Yeah. And if you score, I were literally working on one thing together. I don't get that with stand up and I love stand up. Oh, right. Okay. It's what I'm working the hardest on at the moment and what I think I'm the best at stand up. Uh, yes. Okay. Even though it goes against what you said is your favorite thing to do because I've been working on this act so hard for over two years now. Oh, wow. We're like, this is like, I'm, I'm locked in. Okay. It's very honest. Yeah. I'm very, very proud of it. Yeah. I'm almost ready to film it and show it. Okay. The casting and acting is this. My favorite thing to do is acting specifically, uh, first run through before camera blocking. Tell me nothing. I like more than that because I get to make, I get to make every choice I want, uh, and I trust and I have conversations with any director I work with like you, I take direction very well. Yeah. You have, but I will not read between the lines. You have to tell me less or something. Okay. Where I now feel completely free to do whatever I want and to let my, my scene partner do whatever they want, see what happens and either we do it. And even if we don't, we're laughing. You're saying this is the walk through even before the rehearsal. No, the, this is not the, the, the, the, the rehearsal right before camera blocking. Okay. So nothing's allowed yet. We are free to do whatever we want. Yeah. We're off book. Yeah. And we're just making, we're making choices. I feel like that's actually a rare thing. I feel like during rehearsal, some people are either just trying to like learn their lines still or just trying to like get like a general feeling of it without fully giving themselves over to it until the cameras are rolling. So I think that's actually very smart that you come in. You're like, I'm going to give you all of my ideas. And so you've seen it before we start running the camera and you reel me back or tell, or don't say anything. Let me just run with this, right? Yes. Okay. And it's not just about all my ideas, but it's about the tone and the energy like this, this is how, this is what I'm coming in with. Yes. Are we cool with this? Okay. Okay. Also, yeah. It's my, it's my, it's my favorite part of of anything in this business. That's so interesting. And how do you find for the most part that people are, you, you've found people being like, oh, yeah, this is great. Just do your thing or have people really changed what your direction was. Okay. Hey, that's so funny. That's not what the show is. Got it. Fine. But we just laugh. My, my dopamine is up. Yes. You know, change on a dime and just be like, okay, completely change my energy to what you need. I think our super power as performers is being as present as we can. Okay. like a choice I want to make or unsure of something. - Yeah. - I think that kind of gets in the way. - Okay. - That's why I don't think I'm a great interviewer 'cause I interrupt a lot. But like anything I'm curious about or want to talk about or I'm feeling, I'll throw out there and hope that my scene partner feels safe enough to do the same. - Okay, I like it. - I like it. - What is your favorite thing about acting? - Specifically like that. - This is a great question. When I'm thinking about like the most fun times I've had on set, it's been honestly mostly in recent years and I think the reason for that is like there's a long way around getting to this answer. But my main criteria for choosing jobs these days is do I like the people involved and do I think I'm gonna have a genuinely good time with them. And then this only other thing is can I do something exciting with the role? And if those two boxes are checked, what ends up happening is I'm on these sets surrounded by people I know and love who I feel comfortable with and that allows me just to go nuts. No one's judging me. I can just do what I can do the weirdest shit I can think of and that's when the best stuff comes. And so I think about being on the set of the studio where I came in, I've known Seth and his producing partner Evan for 20 years and super bad. And I came in and I'm playing Dave Franco on the show but I'm playing myself, you know, a nebriated on alcohol, weed, cocaine, and mushrooms. So I come into this first take of that and I'm like, guys, how big or crazy do you want me to play this? And they're like, just try something. Just try something. We'll reel you in if we have to. And so with those guys, I'm like, all right, I'm gonna do what you're talking about where I'm just gonna give you everything I got and what ended up happening was like, I threw it all against the wall and more often they just pushed me to go further, be weirder and that's the most fun thing when you're working with your friends, when it's actually like jelling and you walk away at the end of the day and you're like, they just didn't feel like work. I'm just hanging out with friends trying to make each other laugh. - That's why in a much lower stakes way, that's what I love about this podcast. - Yes. - And sometimes I have bits on here that are like very elaborate. - Yeah. - And then sometimes it's just conversations and anyone between. - Yeah. - It feels like having friends. - Yes. - Wait, what does specifically? - You saying, hey, how much do you want me to do? I don't know, just do whatever. And then you go big, yeah, that's good to go big. It's like, oh, it's playing with friends. - Yes. - With expensive equipment and people giving us money. - Totally. And also like, it just, it's just easier. Like I also think about working with my wife on this movie together. And like, this is like, have you seen this movie? No worries if you've not. - A movie. - Called Together. We worked on it together, but it's called Together. - No. - Okay. Do you like horror movies? - They have to. - Yes. But they affect me. - Yes. - Like, I haven't seen obsession and I want to. - Okay. - I'm scared to see things that scare me. - You needed to be worth you being scared for a few days. - If it was a few days, it would be fine. There are times where I come downstairs to fill up water in the middle of the night. And something from. - Leab. - Still fucks me out. - Oh wow. What's the last horror movie you saw? - Smile. - Okay. - Because my friends in it. - Okay. And did that fuck you up a little bit? - No. - Okay. I'm surprised to hear that. That movie's got some fucked up stuff in it. - Yeah. I know her so well. - Oh, okay. - And it's still scared me, but I'm fine. - Is she the lead? Is it? - So she begins. - Yes, yes. Okay. - Yeah. - Who was on the show I was telling you about? - We met her very briefly recently, and she couldn't have been sweeter. That's all I got to say about that. - Also, so she's very talented. - She's incredible in that movie. - Yeah. - What they put her through in that movie is like to be in a horror movie, it's so fun. But every single day, you are, you know, the stakes are as high as they can be in a horror movie. It is life and death. It is the craziest shit you could ever imagine. - She was more stressed at least at that time than anything she's ever done. - Exactly. And so there are days. - Is together very scary? - It's more like what the fuck moments throughout. So the concept is, my wife and I, we play this, this Codependent couple, who gets infected with something that makes it so that, when they're physically apart from each other, they start to feel sick. So they need to be near each other at all points. And it starts escalating to the point where our bodies start fusing together and it gets really fucked up. So it's like, some crazy body harsher. - I can do that. - But it's actually like, yeah. - Because I wouldn't be afraid of coming downstairs and my dog joining me. - Exactly. - I would champion that. - Exactly. And it's, there's got humor. I think you'll like it. I think you'll like this one. But anyway, what I was going to say at the beginning of this is that working with my wife, it was like, we're playing this couple who's been together for 10 years. That's the easiest thing in the world. I don't need to do anything to get, to get that chemistry, obviously, right? And then so like, at the end of every single day of that movie, not only could I have not done that movie with anyone else because it's just so intimate, but we just walked away and we're just like, it's fun. It's easy with you. We're doing really intense shit that would not be easy with other people. But when I'm with you, I just feel fucking free. - You said the only past few years you've been feeling this way. - I've definitely, it's more than I'm just more aware of it and more determined to, I'm just more picky about what I'm doing to make sure I'm in a scenario like that. But I've definitely been in projects in the past that I had a great time on. Yeah. - You said when you're picking a project, you want to make sure that there's people you want to work with that you like. - Yes. - Which can include people that you like friends of yours, people that you've worked on before. - Definitely. - It can also be people that you don't know anything about. Maybe you don't have a, but you love what they make. - Exactly. And I've vetted them enough to know that they're a nice person. We're gonna have a good time on set. I just, I think I'm gonna eat these words at some point, but I just feel I'm at a point where even if someone is so good at what they do, I just don't want to have a shitty experience with someone who's a fucking asshole. It's just not worth it to me. - I hear so many stories about stuff. And every job I've been on, I've done a fair amount of littler things and I've been part of a leads on three TV shows. I say that meaning I've worked with different groups of people. And whenever you rap, they always say, and I agree with them, we're so lucky everyone was like a family. I don't think I've ever worked with somebody who was an asshole. - Oh, okay, that's nice. - But I hear those assholes in this and that. And what does that mean? Bring me a fucking coke. I mean, what is that? - It's more rare than people think. Like there aren't a ton of assholes, especially today because everyone talks. If you're an asshole, everyone is gonna know and they're not gonna want to work with you. But they're out there. What it looks like is, yeah, I've had a screamer director who's like, literally scream, swearing at the crew all day every day, like throwing props across the set. It seems like a movie. - Exactly. It was reality. It almost made me quit the business. - Are you being serious? - Yes. - Obviously what you don't say, who or what, I don't even want that. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - But it was a particular project. - Yes, yes. And it was-- - Because of the director. - Pretty much, yes. And it was so chaotic that I was just like, it was the only time I've ever been on set where I kind of gave up where I was like, what's up? - Was this set? - Yes, yes, yes. - Well, just so undeniable now. - Where I literally said to the director, I was just like, tell me what to do. I'll do it. I can't push back anymore. I've been trying to be good in this thing. It's impossible. Just tell me what to do so I can get through the day. I've only felt that one time. Yeah. And it sucks. - You said also, the other side of it is, I want to make sure that I could, I don't remember what you said, but what I connected was, I want to do something that I will shine in. Like. - Yeah. It's a version of that. I guess I think about, yeah, like a movie like Idiots. August 28th. Basically, I get to play a pretty unhinged, crazy drug addict fuck up, who's got a neck tattoo. He's got another bicep tattoo of a bird, like singing the words who farted. And you're like, okay, there's a lot to play with here. And I can really go nuts. - What is about a bird saying who farted? Like, be more specific. I mean, that's fun, but like that doesn't make you want to do a project. Why is that something? - It's part of the character. It's like, oh, this character has a fucking tattoo of a bird singing who farted. That says something about this guy. I can have fun with this. - So when you read the script, and you also take your time, like we could go back in a sec. - Yeah, I'm just going to show you a picture of it. - Oh, when you see that, is there a part of your process where you're like, oh, if he has this, then what? Or is it just like, oh, that's a fun character? - That was more just like, not why I did this project, it was more just like, oh, this is a fun character traits. - Just people now know. Like if we want to get in the movie, just give him a tattoo of a bird. - Exactly. And then like-- - Send it to me. We'll put up a picture. - Okay, yes. And then I'm trying to take another example of that. - Tell me more about the friend aspect of it. And like, you've been doing this a long time. I'm sure people ask you to do stuff all the time. My time is valuable. Like, tell me more about like, what we both agree that we want to work with friends or people that could be friends. - Yes. - How is it that when you're picking something, outside of working with Seth and Evan, that you're already friends with, that you could be like, I'm not offered tons of stuff. And when I say offer, I mean, even to audition. I say no to a lot of things. Relative to what people ask me to do. - Okay. - I don't want to do that for a few different reasons. One, I don't think that I would shine in this, or two, I don't care about working with these people. - Right. I don't know if I'm right or not. I just trust myself. - That's all you can do. - I had a conversation with him. with a friend and I don't know if he's a mentor, but he gave me my first job. - Who was it? - Bill Lawrence. - I love Bill Lawrence. He gave me one of my big first jobs too. - Which job? - It was season nine of scrubs. - I know that. - That's how it's seasoned. - Don't do that. It was a different day. Don't do that. Don't do that. - I love this. Can I talk about real quick? - Yes. - Okay. So I don't know how well you're like familiar with the scrubs. - I'm a Zach and Bill are good friends of mine. - Okay. So season eight ended and it was like, this is it. This is the series finale and the final moments of the series finale of season eight was literal behind the scenes footage of all of them hugging each other, crying and saying goodbye. And it's so emotional. It's so perfect. - That was the end. - And then that was the end. And they're like, we're doing one more and we're getting rid of half the main cast. - And I think subfair amount of the writers. - I'm sure. - And so we came in and we're from day one. We're digging ourselves out of this hole. No one wants this fucking season. But from my perspective, this was my first bigger role. And I give Bill so much credit for this. Bill's the type of creator where I'll never forget this. When you're auditioning for one of these new shows, reboots, whatever, you're going through a very arduous process. You're probably auditioning three or four times. Sometimes it's in front of like a bunch of suits. You know, you got like two rows of 10 people in suits who are told not to laugh at what you're doing and it's supposed to be a funny scene. So Bill, whose wife is an actor, is so sympathetic to actors. - I already know this speech. I'm not going to do it, but I know. - You tell me, you tell me the finished pie story because it's going to be, yeah. - He tells the studio, he tells the network. I love this guy, he's so great. Let me tell you what's so good about it. Also. - You do do that. - Also, when you're going in one-on-one, he says, you could do as many takes as you want. - Yes. - I know this is tough. I know what it's like for an actor. Don't worry about like, he makes you, that was my first audition process. He makes you feel so safe. - No one else does that. - And it's-- - I've never experienced it before. - It's so kind and it gets you out of your head and then you fucking get the role. So go back to your bill story. I interrupted you. - Also, I want to make clear, that's as far as a producer. Casting directors are concerned. I want to shout out Alison Jones, who also, I've never, I always felt like she wants me to get every job I've gone in for. - Alison Jones, I can give you, so Alison Jones is my favorite person in the world. She, my-- - Casting director, perfect. - Yes, my craziest audition story is with Alison though. - For? - I can't even tell you what it was for. This was like, this was like my second audition ever. So I go in, I do the read, I'm so nervous, but I feel pretty good about it. I get through it, I'm like, okay, went all right. So Alison says to me, okay, can you slate real quick? So what's slating is basically just looking to camera and say your name, right? Simple as that. - Yo, what's up everybody? It's your boy, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da. - Basically, supposed to just look in camera, say my name. I didn't know the terminology at the time. So I go, sorry, what? And she goes, oh, just, just slate real quick. So what I hear is, can you sleep real quick? (laughing) So I'm like, all right. So I get comfortable and I put my head back and I start sleeping for Alison Jones. And she goes, no, no, no, no, no, no. (laughing) And I wake up, I go, what? (laughing) She goes, so we have a good laugh about it. (laughing) And as I'm leaving, we start cracking up again. She's like, I can't imagine what was going through your head when you thought I asked you to sleep. I'm like, I don't know, you tell me to sleep. I'm gonna sleep so good for you. (laughing) - You didn't even ask a question, you just slept. (laughing) Oh, man, that's one of those things I would love to, I'm gonna ask her, there's no way, does she have it? She said it to me, could I have, I, no. - I can't let that footage get out. - Really? - I don't think I can let it out, dude. It's so embarrassing. - I'm gonna message you and try to convince you. - Okay. - And blur some stuff and show something. - I will let you reach out to try to convince me, but that's all I can promise. - Oh, that's such a good, that's so funny. - But Alison Jones is the greatest and what I will say is, even though I did not get that role, she, of course, remembered the fucking sleeping kid and I got a role in super bad soon after that. - Oh, she cast you in super bad? - Yeah. - She's the greatest. I circle back real quick to Bill Lawrence, what were you gonna say about him being your mentor? - I had Bill on recently and Bill was very kind. Bill wants to make something with me and-- - Amazing. - We've been talking about this for years. There's hasn't been something that I've been able to visualize that I wanna do yet. - Okay. - I would love to. - Yeah. - And he's like Rick, just, and I told him about some of the obstacles that are coming up for me and what I could visualize and how far I think it could go in blah, blah, blah. We also talked about auditioning and saying no to stuff and he challenged me of don't say no to so many things. Again, I'm not like this hot commodity that everyone wants, but I say no to a lot of things. - Okay, yeah. - And with that, I've been, because he like, I could trust my instinct, he's like, that's all you have. - What's his reasoning for not saying no to? Just he wants you, he doesn't want you to say no to everything where you just don't work. He's saying, he's saying it away where you can't really know if you won't have a good experience on it. - Okay, okay. - And I understand his perspective and mine, and I do think I could move a little bit closer to his, because you have a project, if a project or a project, but I am not working that much. And like, I have time to do it. But in a similar way to you, like, I don't wanna blow my energy at the beginning, I do think that stuff's finite. And I do think that, you said you always quit the business from something that happened. I don't know how literal that is. - Not super, but like, it affected you. - It affected you. - It really, it brought me down to a pretty low place. - I've done stuff where I'm like, oh, this wasn't, I didn't like this. - Yeah, yeah. - To where I'm like, I don't wanna, I guess an analogy would be if somebody invites me to a party and I don't have a good time, I don't wanna go to the parties anymore. - He's basically saying, just don't be so precious because every project isn't gonna be perfect on the surface. Sometimes if there's some good elements, just fucking, you know, take a risk, give it a shot. If it doesn't turn out great, it's not the end of the world. - That being said, when you get offered stuff, you're going in for, you're leading the story, right? So there's gonna be some moments. When I go in, it's very, it's supporting. And there might be only three scenes. If I don't think I could do anything in these scenes. - Yeah. - I don't, but then the argument is, yeah, but I can make friends with people and you have a good time, you make a little money. So I'm back in for that. - I get both perspectives. I still think, you gotta go with your gut. There's not like, the times that I forced myself to do something even though my gut was telling me it was wrong. It never turns out well. But I also see what he's saying. And like, I think for me, like when I'm thinking about doing a small movie that's maybe gonna shoot for a month, I'm like, okay, this feels pretty low risk. It's a, you know, worst case scenario. I'm struggling through this for a month, but then it's done and maybe it'll come out and no one will see it and that's the worst case scenario. But if it's like a TV show that could go on for five years, that's when I'm really fucking picky. I'm like, if I'm gonna commit five years of my life to this, I better love it, love, I wanna love every element of it. - Incidentally, and I'm being a bit of a hypocrite, that version of things I used to be. And now about, around when I got my dog, my priorities changed, like I have a kid. I would only wanna do stuff that I'm great in that I would love. I have become driven, I've always wanted money, I never cared. I'm fine, I'm making enough money, I don't need money. I want a house so bad right now. I want to be able to wake up in the morning and open a door to a yard and let him go to the bathroom without needing to wipe his feet when we come back in. And I want money now where I'm like, if the money was really good for a TV show and if shot in LA, I would, I'm being a hypocrite there. - I get it, I get it, man. I, that's all I gotta say, I get it, I get it. And it's like, it's okay for both things to be true. - It's hard, but to find something where you can make money that is great. - I know. - There's not that many things. - I know, I know, but then when you-- - You don't make money from your movie. - No way, no, we on idiots, like I took the lowest amount of money I could take as an actor and I put my producer fee back into the movie. It's like, that's how you get those small movies made and actually look good and work. - Dude, this is so fucking entourage, it gets me angry. - I love that. I know, I love that. - I assume that you were fascinated about the process of putting that movie together because you're interested in doing that stuff too. - Yes. - Okay. - And I'm not, for the first time ever, I have things that I'm about to be going out with and people that are interested in doing stuff. - Amazing. - I've made such amazing relationships from this podcast where I don't mean this as superficially as it sounds, but like I have, I'm friends now with some of the most talented people in the world that wanna do stuff with me. - Yes. - And it's like, why am I not? - I know, I know. I feel, I know that feeling of like in the past, so just going back to the past handful of years. - Thanks for having this conversation with me. This is cool. - You mean earnest? - This is one of those ones where I'm like, I believe this is gonna be a good episode really 'cause I know like, if I'm having a good time, it's probably good. But this is like, turn the cameras off. I wanna talk to you about this stuff. - I know, I know, I know. What I was gonna say is like, the last handful of years, God, you threw me off. Now I forgot what I was gonna say. We thought about the conversation. - You said, was I wanting to do this because I want to start doing this stuff. I'm like, yeah, I have stuff I want to pitch now and I have money friends. - Yes, yes, yes, fuck. - Fuck, we fucked it all up. - I'm gonna comment it on it and we fucked it all up. - I'm gonna try it again. I'm gonna repeat myself a little bit more details. - Yeah, give it to me and see if it triggers something. - You said, are you, are you like talking about, like you, me asking you these questions about financiers and all these things because you wanna do this? - Yes. - Yes. And finally, at a point in my life where I have all these talented people, I got you. I got you. Here we're back. Okay. Is that thing where I used to be, I used to be really good at taking time off. I would do that thing where I would work really fucking hard on a job. And I'd be like, ooh, I earned this time off. But I say this is a very, I'm so lucky to be able to say this. But in the last handful of years, you know, we've been, we've found ways to kind of build these projects from the ground up. And I feel this opportunity right now where I'm like, okay, I have this like little community around me of really talented people. Let's fucking go. We won't have this opportunity forever. People won't let us do this forever. So like, I can't help but just keep working and always be thinking. And there's part of that that I think is like, there's something good and admirable. But at the same time, I need to force myself to slow down sometimes. Do you have that thing where you're like, I have these opportunities and I feel like I need to take advantage of it now? Not like that. Okay. But you don't, you don't know me and you don't know this podcast relatively. Let me just say that it's a podcast. This podcast is a lot of work. This is relatively straightforward conversation, but we do a lot of stuff on this. And I feel like I'm show running a show 50 episodes a year. I get that. My team with him, John Michael, Tom, it's a lot of work. So I do feel that way with this, like sometimes I have certain guests coming out. I want to make this this special thing. I want to take advantage of an opportunity to have these people on the show as grateful as I am to not be making money and to be making friends and to be doing this and to be selling tickets from it. I'm so overwhelmed all the time. Right when you're done, I'm going to finish working on the episode that was supposed to come out yesterday. And it doesn't stop where it feels like I can't write the show I want to do. And I'm not, I want to finish this movie. I'm doing this all the time and I want to slow down not from making stuff, but from this particular thing. Okay. From this particular thing, I'm working on this non-stop. You literally can't do anything else if you don't slow down at this thing. The way you would feel if I made you do tons of takes at the beginning of what's up everybody? Yeah, yeah. I just, I'm tired. Yeah. I mean, I'm tired. And I get that to that place sometimes and that's what forces me to slow down when my body literally shuts down. But I get that feeling because I've talked to, and this isn't even necessarily coming from a place of like, oh, I want to do my own podcast because I don't think that because I know how much goes into it and I know if I want to make something good, I'm going to have to put everything into it. It becomes a full time job. If you want it to be special. Yes. I talk to, you know, other podcasters that are like, oh, I make it work for me where I rolled out of bed seven minutes before you arrived. Most people. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Most people. And I, I, I, I'm envious of it and I, and it's not worth it to me. Exactly. You wouldn't allow yourself to do that version of it. You can't. It's not in you to do that. It will be special because I are pros and cons. The kind of a podcast for me is I'm making myself so accessible in a way that that might instinctually doesn't feel nice. Say that one more time. Every week. By the way, I'm grateful that people want to watch it and I want people to watch it every week. I'm putting myself out there. And my friend Gerard has, I'm paraphrasing, but he believes that he's a comedian. Gerard Mike. Yes. Oh, yeah. You guys in neighbors. Yes. He says that microphones are very, this isn't his wording, but like microphones are important or spec like you're talking into something, but have something to say. I subscribe to that and I feel that way with stand up and I feel that way with the narrative. This by design is every week I'm putting out two hours. I hope it's good. So the only way it can be good is if I try really hard to, like, to show up authentically and to play in post with us. It's a lot of energy. It's a lot of time and energy. The other way of doing that is and also I didn't watch your movie and that's oxymoronic of what we're meant to say. It's a blessing in disguise. You're going to see it in theaters. It's going to be great. I'm definitely seeing it. It's in theaters. Yes. And I'm going to get you by the end of this interview to see Forgotten Island. Okay. I feel like I'm going to watch it tonight here that I'm going to make sure that link doesn't work. Continue. Well, you guys have done a pretty good job. That's really good. Um, uh, don't remember now, um, Gerard Gerard microphones. Right. Yes. So, so there are people and more power to them that get out of bed and I have to get out of bed. It's not, it's not like it's not the prep beforehand. It's the, it's the care putting into it. It's the bits and it's the post. But like they show up cameras on who we got today, blah, blah, blah. Here's some questions that people help set up and then you clock in, clock out. I've done that on, on a project before and it was cool. I like, oh, I'm a working actor. I show up. I know how to do this. I leave. Great. It wasn't my voice. It wasn't me. I'm the same way. And that's why, you know, with the movie like Idiots August 28th, I am in, I'm part of the marketing every day, I'm talking to the marketing team because I wanted to be fucking amazing because when you make a movie that's this small, the way it pops is like this, you know, this distributor, I love them. But like the nature of being an indie distributor, you don't have a ton of money to promote your movie. It's not going to be on a ton of billboards. It's not going to be all over TV. Your main like venue these days is through social media. And so to really make your small movie pop, you got to make the materials fucking good. And so I'm going on a tangent here only because I think you're going to enjoy this. And like this is something that you're interested in is that when we paired up with IFC, this distributor for Idiots, I, and this is what I will do as long as people will let me. I immediately said to them, Hey, I got a poster guy. I got a trailer guy. I've been. Yes. I've been working with these people a long time. They are incredible. I promise you, they're going to give you some outside the box shit that people are going to fucking love. And what's amazing is like they were very receptive to it and open to it and allowed me to bring them in. But then I'm just like waiting for them to see the first materials. I'm like, you guys don't even know IFC. Yes. And then like, you know, those, those trailers come in and they're like holy shit. I think we show them. I have to check it. If you do flags that I didn't, I'll put the links in the description. But go over to the trailers. Leave a comment and says glassman has a strong presence in the podcast game so they know we sent you. Go watch it. Very good. Thanks, dude. But anyway, this is a long way of saying I'm not getting paid to help with the marketing. I just want this to be as good as it can be to help our little movie. Yeah. So entourage, dude. And the fucking suits want to put Queens Boulevard in the color and it's bullshit. That's right. That's right. So I don't know if you know who Jay Shetty is, but he's a podcast guy. Tell me more. He's a, he's a huge podcast. Okay. $14 million deal Netflix and Spotify, one of the biggest podcasts out there. And they reached out to me because they wanted to do a sketch to promote his now being a Netflix which just happened started in July. I said the same. I said, Hey, and they wanted me to play this therapist that doesn't really know how to do therapy. Bumble, blah, blah, blah. I said, you guys don't really know me. I was referred to them by somebody. I don't have any expectations of this, but the only way I'm interested in doing this is if you let me write some of this, we'll use whatever you did, but I'm going to want to be doing improvising. I want to make sure we have multiple cameras and you have to let me and my editor edit it. Anything, any notes you want to give, of course you have Final Cut, but we have to make this. Yes. And they said, yes, and I was happy with it. But like the point of this was same. Like if I, if I don't know you, and if I'm putting myself into this, I like, let me work with these people that I know we know we have a shorthand, we know how to make each other shine. Let me ask you this because you, you haven't, and I say this is a positive thing. You have an energy that you are going to be unapologetically yourself, right? And it feels like I can imagine people coming into this room are either going to like fully lean in and kind of get on that wavelength and just kind of be able to like play and go back and forth. Or they're not. And what I ask is it's like, it's, do you agree with that? So I think I should change the description of the podcast of that. Okay. And so I guess my question is, does anyone have an energy that makes you conform to them in a way? Everybody. Oh. It's, yes. And when I say conform, like conforms the wrong word, but like, you know what I mean? I know what you're saying. Yes. Yeah. This, if you were a different person or if you were a different energy, this would also be different. I'm not scripted. Yes. Okay. But yes, I'm still coming in as this and I'm going to feel safe as this. Yeah. I hope you feel the same. Yeah. The craft that I have where I lack in being a great interviewer. I think I am good at it showing that, hey, this is safe show up as you will. Yeah. It might not be my frequency, but I will accept it. Okay. Okay. Okay. The combination of this is what I think makes, makes this podcast special. I guess the follow question is, who has changed your frequency, frequency the most? Or is that not even something that I could say? I can't say the most, but I will say also because I was just with her. So I'm she's one of them is, and it's not even changing, but Lisa Gilroy, who I think is one of the funniest people in the world, so funny. When she is on this podcast, I think we have such a similar comedic frequency that it doesn't allow me to do something that wouldn't have been allowed to anyway. And it's almost like, it's like more doors are open that whatever I do here, she'll accept and she will make choices that I gift, you know, that like. and it both feels like doing an improv scene, but we'll also having genuine conversation. - Yes, yes. - So it's less about somebody me not meeting to be a certain way, as much as me having the ability to use all the tools that I have because somebody else will accept that. - That makes a lot of sense. Do you ever, do you get jealous or competitive with other podcasters? - Jealous, not at all, competitive, like when they're on the podcast with me, or they're like, oh, no, no, no, no. - What about, okay, tell me when they're on with you. - So basketball is when I first started making friends. - Yeah. - My hypothesis is that's maybe why I see, I project such value in pushing. - Okay. - But like, what does it look like when you're getting competitive with someone in your? - I think a great version that would be Kevin Nealin when he comes out, where people, the first episode people are like, what's, like, well, it feels like they thought they, the comments were that, but it's like, I want, Kevin, I've even asked him and he said you would do it. We have to figure out a time. But like, I wanted to come on for a month as my co-host. - Oh wow. - Like, I love him. - Okay. - I love this. - Yes. - I love that. - It's antagonistic, but that's the bit. That's what you guys are. - It's, that's the play. - Yeah, yeah. - The similar would be it playing one-on-one where we're bodying each other up and pushing each other. - Sure, sure. - It's like, what are you doing? - Yeah. - You do at any moment, if you go, ow or don't, it's like, oh, we're all in on this together. - You can still respect each other's game if you're going really fucking hard at each other. - Yes. - But it's like, yeah, it's different. - And that could either be at each other or with each other. - Okay. - And it flows. Santino is a great version of this. - Yeah, okay. - 'Cause we could go like this, and then go like this, and they're both just as, as, as fun. - Okay, okay. - You know? - And is the reason you don't feel competitive with podcasters like outside of this is because you're doing such your own thing that it's like, oh, you're almost in your own lane. My answer is going to sound so corny, please, so stock footage. And I sometimes say it as a joke, but it's 100% real. Because the way I grew up with having such blinders on, how other people receive me, and just having no idea when I'm being annoying or loud or whatever it is, and having such supportive family and just, my mom told me how special I am, how great I am. Right or wrong, I bought into it and I'm so glad. - Okay. - And when I became aware of stuff, it logically doesn't even make sense. I truly, comparing myself to somebody else doesn't even make sense to me. - Okay, okay. - Where the corny thing is like comparing myself, comparing myself to former versions of myself. Like, I love that idea. - Right. - But like, looking at the podcast numbers of somebody else, or the guest somebody has, or the movie somebody has, if they didn't do that, would I be? It doesn't matter if they do it or not. The only logical thing that works is if my, and this is, this is superficial, but it's the truth and it's, I don't think it's a negative. If I'm around people that are having cool opportunities, I'm only that much closer to it. - I get what you're saying, yes, yes. - So no, I don't, and I'm glad I don't. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a healthy thing. Yeah. I think when I was younger, I couldn't help but just kind of look at what all the other younger actors who were like, you know, did you feel it with your brother too, or just your peers? - Really? - Never with my brother. And maybe that's because, you know, of the age difference, maybe it's because, I don't know, for whatever reason, like, that was never on the table. And I'm not just saying that. It was always like, it truly was like pure love and support from both angles. And I think as much as people maybe, because we look similar or have some similar mannerisms, people maybe want to say like, oh, they are going to be going out for similar things and doing similar things. - Seven years. - Seven years. But I think maybe in my head, I was like, oh, yeah, there's some crossover there. But like, he does shit I could never do. I do stuff that he wouldn't do. And I just feel like for whatever reasons, it's always been a little separate in a nice way. - By the way, I don't know the first thing I saw you in, but the strongest memory I have of the first thing where I had an opinion of you was 21 Jump Street. - Oh yeah. - And I rewatched it recently. This year? - Hold up. - Good. - Where I'm like, I think this is like a top 20 comedy of all time. - It's so good, man. - And you are so good in it. - Thanks, man. - You're so good in it. And something that you have, because you talk about being weird and stuff that I think is really cool, I say this often, but Will Smith is an inspiration to me. - Okay. - One of the reasons is he was the first guy I saw that could be goofy and cool. - Yes. - They don't cannibalize each other. - Yeah, that's good. But the genre, the tone of your movie had like was very specific on what's the word I'm looking for. Cultural identities. I remember it was even at the beginning like where like it used to be the goth kids in the part. - Yes. - Yes. - You played, and I'm sure that was written that way, but like to embody it, you played both of those. - Because it was like the new, the new cool kid was the eco-friendly kid. - Yes. - But it was cool. - Like pardon me, you could play a hot guy, like you dress cool, you have cool guy energy. So like that, but also like whatever the other version that you brought is, and I don't know if you could even explain what that was. - You're saying to that specific role. - To that specific role, you were both cool guy and also like what would have been thought of as not cool guy in the early 2000s. - And are you referencing maybe like towards the end when I get like super like vulnerable and whiny and like not even that. - Yes. Sure. But that's no. The seeds to that from when we first met you were, hey man, that's not cool, like you're defending the minority in a way that, in a loser way, you know, like from Channing Tatens characters. - I get you. - I get you. I mean, gosh, with that specific character, part of it was just like genius writing and just like what a fun character to play. And so a lot of it was there on the page for me. But I think with like, I think when I approach any comedy that I'm in, and maybe this is an obvious statement, but like, I am going to come in and play it as straight and as real as I can possibly do it. Even if I'm saying the dumbest shit you've ever heard, I'm going to sell that as hard as I can. - Dude, I love, yeah, I'm loving this. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm sorry. Keep going. I think for a long time, I think for a long time, like I was so lucky to be surrounded by literally some of the funniest people on the planet in some of these movies, right? And it was really intimidating at first where I think, definitely, definitely going into that movie and being like, you know, you think like, oh shit, okay, how am I going to keep up with someone like Jonah Hill? And what you quickly realize is no one's expecting you to keep up with Jonah. Just be present in the scene with him, just like be in the fucking moment, be open. And whatever you say, he's going to turn it into gold. He's that funny. He can make everyone around him that much funnier, just be present. Don't try to fucking outshine anyone. So I think for many years, in my head, I was always like, okay, I'm kind of maybe a little bit more of like the straight guy who comes in and I'm playing off of like the really big kind of eccentric characters. And that's my role. And it's really fun. I still think I can make these straight guys kind of funny. But again, in recent years, I don't know what it is. Maybe it's just getting older. Maybe it's just getting more comfortable in general on these sets to like just fall on my face. I want to be the eccentric guy. I want to be the guys who are coming in and just being fucking explosive. And it's been nice to kind of like slowly, even without being aware of it, just like slowly going on that journey. From the outside, although I do think you played it straight because that's what it was, I didn't, I don't, I always thought of you as the weird goofy, like when I was saying nerdy and like, and that's like, yeah, I didn't think that was, you know, Bateman down the line. I'm who is one of the funniest people ever. But like, that's different. My question for you on that movie is, I just had Jake Johnson on it and we talked so much about this. Yeah. Yeah. And the tone of that movie is flawless. And that's a, that's, that's the direction. Yes. Are there times in that movie in particular, just because I could like picture it. Yeah. Where you're speaking for you or somebody else that you were in a scene with that you saw, were there any, was there any direction that Lord and Miller gave that was like specifically for tone? Like, like when I, hey, that's not what this movie is. Yeah. Yeah. For example, could you remember anything? It doesn't have to be big. That is a great question. Okay. The only thing that comes to mind, and I don't even know if this really answers that question directly, but there's a scene where it's that night and I'm confronting the guys. And this is the scene that now people quote to me all the time, the, you know, what happens to a handsome guy like me and Jail, it rhymes with grape. So in that scene, I remember it was a Friday. It was the end of the week and we were shooting nights and we turned around on my coverage at the end of the night. So everyone's fucking exhausted. It's been a long fucking week. We're doing this really intense scene. I remember the directors coming up to me and they're like, all right. Okay. So this is like, you know, you're Christoff Waltz, and glorious bastards. And I'm like, I'm the Academy Award winning performance from a glorious bastard. I was scared before it'd don't help. This is a lot. This is a lot to play on me. But I was like, I know what you're saying. I don't just like does this guy know what's going on with these two towing that line of being kind of like intense and he's about to out them, but or is it or does he not know? and like kind of fucking with them a little bit. And so it was finding that balance, but I mean, that's, that's a dumb example. No, that makes sense. I would have needed the follow question that you answered. That makes sense to me. The better example is during neighbors. So again, like I'm playing this like kind of crazy frat guy and doing really silly shit where, you know, if I concentrate hard enough, I can give myself a boner whenever I want, right? So, so even during those scenes, I'm taking it very seriously. I'm like, okay, again, just like attack this in the most grounded way possible. But I remember Nick Stoller, the director, he, he came up to me. And there was this scene where we're like, gosh, we're trying to find someone. I forget what we're doing, but it's kind of a Scooby-Doo, like we're trying to find someone moment. And I remember I'm like in the, in the main area of the frat house, and I hear a noise. And someone's like under this table that I'm, you know, they don't want me to see them. So I do the first take and I hear the noise and I react really honestly. And then Stoller comes up to me, he goes, I know you're not going to want to do this. Just knowing my process and knowing I want to do it, fucking real. He goes, you got to give me the Scooby-Doo version where you turn and then squint your eyes. I'm like, dude, he's like, trust me. Do it. And so I did it, and that's definitely what made it in. What'd you think? I liked it. Okay. I liked it. It's like it's, I guess you, I want to know, sometimes when I ask questions and it's silly as it says, there's no way you would say you didn't like it because you're on a podcast or your film. I would. I think I would. It's been enough time and I love Nick Stoller the director. Yeah. I think I would be honest with you. I watch it now and I'm like, oh, this movie has moments of being very silly. You know, Ike falls off a balcony at one point and his leg is pointed sideways and he's like, what's up? And so it's like, you got to lean a little. That's the tone. It's not all in reality. You saying I trust you, like that is like, yeah, like as a director to have your people trust you and as a person to like trust them, that is like, that's the collaboration. But we also built that trust at that point. You know, if this was a director that I didn't fully trust, I would be like, no, you're going to make me look stupid. But with Stoller, I'm like, yeah, dude, whatever you want, let's let's fucking go. No, you're going to make me look stupid. I might go to the bathroom real quick. We chugged this water. I'm looking at that, that special water over there that we're supposed to split later. If this is going well, I'm going to go pee. Also, how are you on time? One 30. I can go to like 155 purified, balanced minerals and certified clean. Now, I'm not sure if this is the expensive water, but I visualize it as that. There was a water that I got once, it was like $14 and I'm like, it might be this. It might be this. We're going to say it is. It might not be. But in case it's fancy. We're doing it. We're doing it. Yeah, we got you a new glass. I have this because there was no trash can in the bathroom, so I'm just going to. Yeah. Would you use it for? Blow my nose. Are you serious? Yeah. No, here. Okay. Throw in the toilet. But a full flush for just a drop? No, don't flush. You'll pee on top of it later. Yeah. Okay. I mean, like, it's like Drake not wanting to put his condom in the garbage in case somebody takes it. I did the same thing yesterday. What? I blew my nose and then I took the tissue home in my pocket. Right? Yeah. Relatable. Weird one here. Okay. I wasn't saying that you're weird. Go back and look at his reaction when he found out it was my tissue. Go back to the reaction. I, when I was in there, I realized the point I was trying to make about the 21 Jump Street scene in terms of the tone. So when they told me to be like Christophe Waltz, it was like, oh, that's the direction they're giving me in this scene where the dialogue I'm saying, I'm talking about getting scraped in jail, but do it like Christophe Waltz. So that's a good fucking tonal direction. I would love to then see your first version of that where you just have this, this kind of effeminate German accent, but no, no, no, you're not understanding what I'm saying. I think you're trying to get me to do that in this moment. I want to say you do that though. No, man. I don't do voices. You had mentioned something that I like that you said in the conversation about playing it straight. Okay. As a standup comedian and I say this, like when I'm performing standup as well, I've had conversations with friends about this and I don't think there's right and wrong, but mine is, people do not connect with me on this, that I don't think being funny is the first priority. Yeah. Okay. I think it's very important, but I think honesty first. Yes. I'm with you. 100% first. Yes. And if, because if they don't believe it, then it's distracting. Yes. Well, be as big as you want to be as long as it doesn't cannibalize that. I'm 100% with you. And what that does to is that also kind of loosens you up where you're like, if people aren't laughing, that's okay. I'm just playing this real resonates combination of this conversation. Yeah. And the connection and how I'm feeling about it, plus my magic mind kicked in. I took an extra strength caffeinated and it's time release. Yeah. And this, this is the chase for me, like this feeling I'm having right now. And also, and feeling validated in a way, not that I felt wrong before. But like, yeah, exact, like, I want people to laugh. Yeah. Yeah. And if they don't like, there are people that they say that like, even if the whole room is laughing, but one person you focus on that one person that's not laughing. I don't, not a fucking chance, because if they're not laughing, it doesn't mean they don't think it's funny or they're not interested. Maybe they're just thinking about it. And if they are laughing, it doesn't mean it resonated a lot with them. It could have just been a silly noise. Yeah. Their reaction is important, but it doesn't influence me. Yeah. And when, so for example, when, when I'm working on a comedy and if, if I'm at the script stage, if I'm working with someone at the script stage, I, I'm not even really concerned honestly about the jokes or the, like, the first thing I'm looking at is, all right, how are these characters? How are the situations? How are the stakes because more so than like a silly one off joke, if we make the stakes really high for this character and then you put them in a scenario and like the audience is like, oh, fuck, I don't want it. They shouldn't be in that scenario. The comedy will come from that. And so this is a long way of saying, like, exactly what we're saying. I'm not comedy is not what I'm most concerned about. So let us just take this opportunity to say, if I, is on the page, it ain't on the stage and thank you to our writers. But yeah, man, if, if you're present and you're honest and if it's not funny and if it's supposed to be, if you could trust somebody, be like, hey, listen, we need a squint. We need something. But if I'm locked in, that's easy. If I'm not, I'm like, well, I made a choice already. I don't know what to do. Definitely. Can I ask you, when you're on stage doing stand up, like you were saying earlier, it's just you up there. This is not like a collaboration medium. For you, someone who interacts a lot with the crowd, though, is that how you make a collaborative? I'm not anti that. Okay. I don't drink, but I'm not sober, for example, like get me off. But if there's a reason to do it, why not? How are you on stage though? When it's such a locked in routine, how are you able to be what makes you not such a locked in routine? Okay. As far as I have to, like Chris Rock and these are where every period goes. It's a locked in point of view and intention. This is how I feel. This is how I'm talking and what makes it easier for me. My friends have been, my comedian friends are so successful and are winning all the Emmys and are selling out stadiums. I've been doing this for 18 years and I'm only now about to put out my first special. I would do it almost a different set every single time. Is that true? I was always, yes, almost every time I would write a different thing and I wouldn't like to repeat stuff. Up until when? That post-COVID. Okay. And this podcast and talking to people who are so good at what they do and different than me and just being motivated and challenged in a similar way to how Bill challenged me. Like, hey, just try doing this. My metaphor was always, I don't think that we are, we come up with any jokes. They just exist. Okay. And do you see it or not? Okay. That's the way I think of it. Yeah. This exists. Maybe somebody's ever seen it before. Right. And I was always very good at seeing those jokes and my metaphor is bricks. Like, oh, I could take this brick and I, here it is. And now I throw it away and I don't think I valued them enough to learn the art of taking these bricks. And instead of just knowing there's an almost infinite supply to take them and to kind of build something out of it. So that is a new art form for me, building something. Okay. But even so and getting a little, little more, I don't want to say locked into like a routine. You still find a way to be you and what makes you special where you can still be, you know, react to whatever's going on in the moment. Yeah. In that same metaphor, if I'm going into a building, even though the building's structured, I could look at anything I want in it. I could walk around anywhere. Okay. This is how I feel. And if I feel something different that day or if something else is on my mind, I'm not, I don't want to try something new. I'm scared. My skill set is doing something new. I'm already great at doing something new. Yeah. So I have my material and I could do whatever I want with it. And if I've never felt, I always, I feel like my mom says, were you funny? And I always say the best I can answer that is I say, I felt really funny. And it doesn't give me the pressure. or being like, did they think I was funny? Am I being right? - Oh, oh. - I don't know how you felt, but dude, I was locked in. Like, this is the best I can be. - This is something that is very admirable about you is that it seems like you don't need a lot of external validation. You know when you're feeling like you're locked in. You know when you're feeling like, oh, I know I did a good job, even if they weren't fully laughing. Like, I gave everything I wanted to give. Does that? - I did what I was able to do in that moment. - Okay, yes. - Not to say I'm this enlightened guy that doesn't care what people think and doesn't want validation. I absolutely care. I just have learned that, because I used to have no idea how people felt. And then I became hyper aware and asking, like, is that okay? Are you my boy? Is this too much in my too lot? And when I've come out the other end is realizing, I still have no idea. Maybe you don't want to tell me how you felt about Nicolas Stoller's direction on camera. Maybe if I-- - I want to told you. - I believe you. I believe you as much as I can. - Yeah. - But that's just a silly example I'm giving. I'm saying, maybe you don't want to hurt my feelings. Maybe you're, I don't know what's in your head. - Okay. - So because I don't know how people feel, well, again, like sometimes the logical side and emotional side don't match up. I know this person isn't good for me, but I miss her so much. Rick, this isn't your partner. I know, but, you know, blah, blah, blah, together. You're, you know, co-dependent, whatever it might be. - Right. Do, what was I gonna ask you? I had something good. Give me a sec, give me a sec. Say what you said again last, the last thing you said. - About the together? - Yeah. - And logically emotional, right before that. I still care about validation and wanting people to like me. I just have no idea what they're thinking. - Yes, yes, yes. - So I don't put that much weight onto if they like me or not. - Yep. - Fucking lost it. - All right, if it comes back, it comes back. - Yep. - But I want to be clear, I still want, like, I used to have a reputation of, oh. - I got it. This is more of a like generic question, but I'm very curious from your perspective of like, do you have someone that you've looked at that you're like, the path they've taken is something that I could see myself doing something similar? I asked that because I don't think, I didn't think that you would. - Do you? - There are people, there are people that I've looked at like, gosh. You know, when I was, when I was first coming up, like watching like what Joe, the choices Joseph Gordon Levitt was making where he was in this like, you know, kind of broad comedy sitcom, right? Third arc from the Sun. And then all of a sudden he was in this like, really indie kind of dark movie called Mysterious Skin. If you ever seen this movie, dark, dark movie. But he like came in and he was playing this like, you know, kind of young like prostitute and just like selling his body and it was really gritty. - Well, I was thinking of a different movie that I thought, is that what it's called? - Mysterious skin directed by Greg Iraqi. - No, what's the one where he has sex with everybody? - Oh John John John John John then all of a sudden he's writing and directing. And then he's in a Christopher Nolan movie. And I was just like, oh, this guy's bouncing around in a way that I'm like, that looks fun and like. - It's just in the outfield. - I mean, don't get me started by the angel in the outfield. But like. - God's fingernail, God's thumbnail, the moon. Reglassman. But it's like what I, it's what I aspire to. Just in what I've tried to do for myself without being too literal about it. But just like. - Have you ever worked with him? - I've never worked with him. - Well, I've heard you say this before. And we have a little bit of surprise for you. I would love if I knew Joseph Gordon Levin to do a pickup later where he was on the balcony. - But I feel very lucky that I've been able to kind of bounce around to different genres. And in recent years, Benota, do more stuff behind the camera and just kind of going back and forth and it just keeps it fresh. - I forgot, and I remember I went to the bathroom. I am up for a movie with Jeff Schaefer and you. - Okay. - A little bit chat. - Can I tell you something? Do you want to be totally honest here? - Yeah. - Okay. I know this. I saw your audition. - Bleep this or don't bleep this. - And it's genuinely fucking good. It's genuinely fucking good. I'm not just saying that. - Are you looking at the auditions? Oh, 'cause I guess chemistry stuff. - Chemistry stuff. - You'd have to. - Yes, I'm a producer on that one too. - Also, by the way, thank you for telling me that. - Yes. - I want to do things that I want to do. And I would love to do that. My intention of these follow up questions is like, my maybe John DeWall, Alison Bosma, shot up. My best friends. They're Mary, they're writing partner. They're just, I just signed on to do their movie that they've been working on. They're incredibly talented. I've never once asked them to write me in something put me, that's not how Bill Lawrence. I've never asked. That's not how this, so I don't think that way. I know if there's somebody better for it than me, they should have that. - I feel that too, all the time. - So I don't feel like, oh, but also like, well, you know what I don't get, especially since you're not in a room anymore, you don't get direction from that stuff. - I know. - And maybe I could do something, maybe I can't, but maybe I could do something that's different. And I don't like, I miss not being able to have another at bat for that kind of stuff. So if during this process, there was like, oh, yeah, but I don't know. Would you be like, hey, have them do another tape? - I'm glad you asked, 'cause I want you to do the full audition for me right now. - I would love, you know what I wanted to do. And I realized it's not worth even trying to find in the script 'cause we wouldn't be allowed to show it. It'd already be funny to do a scene with you that I could then submit as the audition, but I would have to bleep the whole scene here. You know what I mean? - Walk me through that. - Yeah, so you come in, let's say you don't know that I'm coming, come here, Bob. - Yeah. - Let's say you don't know that. Also, I want to check in on time. You said 155, and it's 151. So we'll have to close in a second. He goes only four minutes left, where, hey man, so I have this audition for something, and this is, saying no to this, but I thought it might be fun 'cause if you could read with me, you don't have to be on camera just off, but would you mind doing an audition with me? You buying into this, you thinking it's real. I give you the, not until I give you the size where you, wait, this is-- - In the part that I'm already attached to. - Right, right. - And then you're locked in doing that, and then submitting that. - If I didn't already audition, or like if this is something I wanted an audition for. - Let me just repeat, you're fucking great in the audition. How did you feel about it? Be honest. - I don't remember. - Okay, is that the truth? - Yes. - Okay, I don't remember. - I would imagine you're the type though, you wouldn't submit it unless you felt pretty good about it. - Not, yes and no. If it's something that I really want, - Yes. - And I don't feel good about it, correct. - Okay. - If it's something that like, oh, this would be cool to do. I've had a few things that I've taped auditions that I then told my people that like, hey, I'm just not, I'm not gonna put this in because I wasn't happy with it. Then I've done stuff where it's fine. Also, I don't know how I can make this better. Making an excuse maybe, but like, there's nothing in these sides that I understand. At least at my skill level, I understand how to do. But also, maybe that's the case and like, they'll cease. So, yeah, I guess you could send it. Like, you could send this, but this, you know, so I have sent stuff that I wasn't. But if this is either something I really want and or like, I remember when I was first starting, I said no to auditions that I didn't feel really funny and because it would have been my first time meeting those casting directors. - Oh really? - So like, I really wanted to do the project and maybe it was in my wheelhouse, I needed it. But like, I wasn't locked in, so I didn't go in for it. - This is the only time that I like fully understand Bill Lawrence's perspective on all this, where it's like, you're being so protective of yourself that you're like, I don't even want to go into this audition because I'm not going to be a 10 out of 10 version of myself. - If I'm not going to be an 8 out of 10. - 8 out of 10. - If I'm, I'm not good in this. - I get that. - Maybe I'm wrong. - I get it. - I get it. - And by the way, maybe I'm crazy. I think I'm really good at stuff. - Yeah. - You're like, I am. Let me show you what I'm good at. - Yeah. - And then maybe if I have a relationship with you already, I could come in and trust that, oh, this isn't for you. But if I'm meeting somebody for the first time, you know. - You just took me back, you saw, I'm back on your side. I'm there. Yeah, fuck you, Bill. - Not really listening. - Speaking of Bill, if I'm not mistaken, in that audition, did I have a fake arm? Do you remember? - I don't think so. - There was an audition that I did. There was an audition that I did where I had a fake arm for what purpose. - Bill was just on the podcast and he gave me, was it John Doors, Delaney? Who's arm is it? He has this show Bad Monkey, this is our show. And they had this amazing, I'm gonna get it real quick. - Yeah, yeah. - And you used it in one of your auditions. - It was here. - Why are these frequently relisticated? - Oh yeah, good way to this too. - Yeah, and I don't remember, but I did something. And I, you don't remember the context in which you used a fake arm. - Yeah, I remember the context. I remember the context was on the, there was a, I remember like I found like in the scene, in the, I was in a room that I didn't know the room. Like my choice. - Yes. - And like I saw that and like while I'm talking, I was like I think I found this. And then for the other scenes I was using it. I remember I had a phone and I put it up to my, I didn't really acknowledge it. - Right, right. - And then I think there was a sex style. - Now there's no sex talent. - But it was in a situation where the arm does not make any sense. You were just like, I'm gonna incorporate this into this audition where it's like-- - At that moment, this arm had a visceral effect on me. Do you remember? - Yeah. - Like I was actually grossed out about it. And he took it and he did a video with Santino with this. And it was there. And I just remember it like, I love eat acting, love. - Eat acting, like Brad Pitt eat acting? - I mean, you know, I don't wanna give myself. - Yes, yes. - Okay, yes. - All right. - Yes. - Yeah. - I love eating. I feel very present eating, even like holding a sandwich. - Mm-hmm. - Going to get you out of your head. - Yeah, yeah. And it puts me into, do you ever notice that when you're wearing a suit, you feel more confident? - Yeah. - And then when you're chewing gum, you feel confident? - Oh, maybe. Maybe, yeah, I know what you're saying. - Then below those, eating gives a sense of confidence. - Have you ever kind of painted yourself into a corner on set though, where you're like, fuck, I can't believe I have to eat this fucking thing for 30 takes? - No. - No, my first job was a KFC commercial. And they didn't even offer a spit bucket. I never knew the term spit bucket. On take two, I said, is there any place I could spit this out? I discovered something that had been discovered already. - Yeah. - A spit bucket. You just say what you want, what you don't want. In the show I did with Sozi Bacon, my first scene that I was in, there were muffins and stuff, just a set deck at the other end of the room. And I wanted on my way out to do something and I pitched it and they, we, you know, 10 minutes but like we moved stuff around. And now the out of the scene is me looking through this food stuff and it became a big part of the thing. - Oh. - And I got to eat and stuff or reference and stuff and I was very sensitive to chew sounds. So when I'm having a reaction to something and I saw that, I thought, maybe it's distracting but at the same time, since I'm distracted by it and I'm feeling something like corny, but they use it. Like if I, if I have a stomach ache, I want my character to have a stomach ache in the scene otherwise I'm distracted. - Ah, ah. - So that thing was there and I'm like, yeah. Not that it made it funny or good. I just remember it was around when I audition for your movie. - Did you get any feedback on that audition? - I don't, I don't, probably not. - Probably not. You would've, you would've heard it. - I don't hear someone says something here. - I don't hear about the fucking Arama audition. - I don't hear anything ever. - Okay. - And that's what I'm saying. Is anybody watching this? - That's why I'm happy to give you feedback. You fucking killed it for the Jeff Schaefer movie. - That's the truth. - And this does taste like $13 water. - I gotta tell you this as much as I want to be in it. I'm gonna be expensive. - I hope you were hoping you were gonna say that. - I'm gonna be expensive. - We were hoping. And let me tell you something. I will make sure I do at least one thing to make this movie a little bit better than it could have been. - Give me an example. - Gulp, gulp, gulp, gulp. - I can't, I can't speculate. I just, I just know, I just know what I do. - I'm gonna do one thing at least. - And that doesn't mean a take. It could mean being an emulsifying agent on set for a group of people. It could mean giving an energy, a pitch, something, a note. - You're bringing something that's, you can't, you can't pin down. Something that's, that's just an energy. - I'm not perfect and people could do things better than me. Where I do add value is, when I'm on something, I truly believe that people would be like, I'm glad he was here. And I think that's almost as important as anything else. - I will be late and I don't remember my words. It happens, it happens, I need to get eight hours of sleep in some of these different fest turnarounds. But I'm a quick study. - You were up here. - I don't wanna be honest with you. I'm an expensive and I'm unprofessional. But the something about my energy, you're gonna want. - Okay, okay. - Great script, love Jeff Schaefer. - We love Jeff Schaefer. - Love Jeff Schaefer. - What a sweet guy, man. - Could you eye me at him and then I'll let you leave? - Yes. - My grandma is part of Rich Eyes in Universe. - Oh, okay. - She came on it with me once. She just had her 95th birthday last year now, but I just posted it. Rich made a three minute segment to my grandma. - And one of our favorite people, we wanna give a birthday shout out to. We found out about one of the biggest sports fans of all time, certainly in the Cleveland area. Existed on the planet and we needed to know about this person. And it is the grandmother of the comedian and actor Rick Glassman. The great grandma Gloria Glassman. - It was gorgeous. I fill my grandma. She's crying. - How many times has she been on the show? - She's been on it once or twice. - Okay. - She calls on it like she's been on calling, right? Huge Cleveland sports fan. She called in when Jeff Schaefer was on once. And I don't know if I've ever done this before. I'm not against it. I just don't know if there's been an opportunity, but I then called my agent that said, I'm a huge fan of him beforehand. Before that, I don't know a lot of names. I know Jeff Schaefer, you know what I mean? And Kerb is king. And I said, "Hey, could we send that?" He talked to my grandma for like five minutes. Could we use this as some way of like I can meet with Jeff? - Oh. - At the time I was on Bill Lawrence's show and I was the sixth lead on that show. And I made this web series called The Six Leads where I played, it was a poor man's curvy or enthusiasm. I played a version of myself. Everyone played version of themselves around the Warner Brothers lot. And at the time, Bill and I were going to maybe pitch doing another one at this kept going. We were pitching it. And I wrote a treatment. And Jeff Schaefer said, "Let's meet at the showhouse." We went to the showhouse. We spent maybe two hours going over all my stories, improvising, telling me what was, this was when they were bringing Kerb back, pitching these stories of that, doing scenes with him. - I mean, that's with the guy who's the top of the world. - And you can see, like his mom, like, oh, I get it. - Exactly. - Do you know Adam Zikiel? - Oh, how would I? - I don't know. He's a writer. Adam Zikiel and Jeff Schaefer, if I thought, like, anybody in this business, if I could, because they know me a little bit too, at least. If there's anybody who could help me with something I'm writing, those are the two minds where I'm like, these guys, there's a reason they make great stuff. - Exactly. Exactly, dude. - Anyway, I thank you for letting me talk about me in my process so much. - Are you kidding me? - Sorry, I had to watch your stuff. I'm seeing at least one in the theaters. - Yes. August 28th. Dude, this was one of those episodes where I'm gasped out. It was really nice to meet you. - I'm happy to hear that. - Yeah. Thank you. - This was super fun, and like you said, it's just like, you come in and you embrace it, you lean in. It's like, this is press. It can be a good fucking time. - Yeah, I still don't know what it is. There's part neurotic to me. There's an intensity that I don't understand yet. Maybe if we become friends, I'll see it. Maybe I'll never get it. But there's something about you that's very like, what is it? What is that? You know, like, what am I missing? I gotta keep you guessing, man. I can't give you all of this all at once. - Yeah, you got, there's an intensity and you do that is like, I see what you're saying about playing different genres. Like, I don't know what together is like, maybe I'll watch it. I don't know yet. - You should do it. - But like, I see that in you. I see like, you know, do some more intense shit. - We got a lot, I feel like the last five years it's been pure intensity. Have you seen the movie Hoppers, the animated movie? Another one to the list. - No, and I'm supposed to. That's where Melissa is in, right? Melissa, via Suniore? - Oh, yes, yes, yes. Okay, this is a genuinely great animated movie. Pixar, they're the fucking best, right? Pixar and DreamWorks are the best. I play a guy in Hoppers, I play the villain. He's so unhinged that it got to a point where the animators realized, oh, we went a step too far in this kids movie where we animated your character doing the backwards walk from the exorcist. And then we were like, oh, yeah, the exorcist is wherever you draw the fucking line. - You're saying they made it too scary? - Yes, they made it too scary. - They made it too scary. - The way you were delivering. - Exactly. - That's a perfect way of saying what I'm saying. - Yes. - You're a cartoon character that I think could play very scary. - That's right. - My friend who I've known since childhood, she has a three-year-old daughter and she told me they went and saw Hoppers and that literally in this little girl's three years of life, my character in Hoppers is the scariest thing that's happened to her. And I said, that is the best review I've ever received. - All right, here's what I'll do. Instead of forgotten Ireland, watch, I don't want to commit to this, but I'm gonna watch one of the two. Maybe I'll watch Hoppers. - Okay. - You've forgotten Ireland in theaters. I just don't love seeing a cartoon. This is not cool. - Have you seen Puss and Boots the last wish? - No. - Fuck, okay, same director as Forgotten Island. I'm telling you, these guys top, top of the animated game, they're doing shit in Forgotten Island, where they're playing around with just the format. All of a sudden-- - I'll do it. - All of a sudden you're in an animated, an anime movie. All of a sudden I'm doing some Dragon Ball Z shit. All of a sudden-- - Is that a blanket statement? - What's that? - Nothing, go on. - All of a sudden, my character's bounding at cameras. It's like action sequence. And the focus is kind of going in and out, so it feels cinematic. They're doing interesting, cool visual shit in this one. - I'll get a stone and see in the theater. - People love this one. I promise you, I love both of these movies that I'm here to promote. But this Forgotten Island movie, it's like-- - This is the actor you and producing on your phone. - No, no, no, no, no, this is like-- And I say this because with animation, I can kind of distance myself a little bit and be just more objective because I'm not looking at myself and because I'm such a small part of this five-year process, I remember sitting down for Forgotten Island and being like, I just was like, I can't believe I'm in this fucking movie. It's so special, man. You should see it in theaters. - Okay, out now. - Out, maybe now, September 25th. If we're at September 25th-- - Oh, no. - No. - Out September 25th. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Yeah, that's another thing. I'm sitting on a screener that took to be 45 minutes of emails to get to work. - That screener's never gonna work. - All right, well, stay there for one second. I want to get a pull right and I'll let you go. - Okay. - Theme music. - Dude, this is one of those episodes where I'm amped up. - All right. - Thanks for coming over. - Dude, of course. - Scoot. ♪ Oh, blabbery blue ♪ ♪ Scoop deep ♪ ♪ Oh yeah ♪ ♪ He he he he ♪ ♪ That's good, I bet I bet I bet I bet ♪