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If you have any questions, contact us at 1-800-526-7736. when it's like the season's over that's the disease of the mind i'm still thinking about this game they lost by 22 and i'm like the season's over and my i'm already clinging to things to think about but i i don't know i'm i don't know i it sucks i'm sorry i i saw our buddy scott barrett so earnest he's also a giants fan scott barrett is and he was like usually i have to wait until like thanksgiving to be eliminated mathematically from the playoffs like maybe now this is actually just a good thing i don't have to think about the giants and potential you know playoffs or whatever i get i get to just enjoy the rest of the season and watch football for football i can like watch the yankees blow it in the playoffs again i could watch the knicks i'll think about all this time i'll have not watching the giants i the annoying thing is while i'm being delusional i swear to god the giants could have won that game like it should have been 14 james james i'm not gonna sit here and pretend like james winston is not gonna be james he'll always be james and make dumb decisions you i kind of couldn't believe how many times there was an open receiver that he couldn't hit like the ball wasn't like he had so many open players for touchdowns and he either didn't see them or bounced the ball and i'm like man james i want you overthrowing these guys not under throwing them i just i don't know i i it was really sad to watch james unable to pull trig i'm like oh my god like there's touchdowns left right and center uh but he'll be better with more time i hope but like i don't know it's i'm just sad i'm just sad dude the rams had a stretch where they had turnovers and back-to-back plays and then a penalty right after that yeah and they missed the field goal going into halftime that's 14-3 i mean it felt like it was 21-0 the fact that i mean it was a two-score game and a one-score game for decent chunks of this game so i totally agree like even if james was decent he looked like noodle arm manning out there like he just couldn't get the ball it was weird he kept dirting it it was yeah i i agree i mean again i know it sounds crazy it's 20-6 but the giants kind of should have been winning in the middle of the fourth quarter well they were hanging yeah they were hanging around long enough and then i think the rams at the end kind of put it away decisively yeah yeah they had they had a couple chances to make again and i know i'm just harping on one thing but like the fact that naji was in there on that goal line series was it actually infuriated me i don't and i'm i'm not even the scataboo lover like you guys you guys love him i totally agree though that he sets a tone and the physicality of the game is just so and yeah his versatility is so much more important than what naji brings i mean it's like it just doesn't make any sense to me then they had him out there in garbage time when they're down like 21 points like oh now you're gonna play him it just drives me insane when these old coaches have these like oh well he's he's our goal line guy he's our he's our red zone package guys like no just put your best players on the field you idiots that just drove me insane is there anyone you want you would want more than cam scataboo to fucking grind you two yards like is there anyone who wants two yards more than cam scataboo naji who was like on he was on his couch a couple weeks ago like i can't believe this the energy is infectious because scataboo when dark goes down you need scataboo's energy on the team like never mind i don't know the whole thing bothered me i do want i mean again the giants did not deserve to win the game the rams play better davante adams was unbelievable eight catches 195 yards two touchdowns easily could have had more i don't understand how what puka naku is not playing the giants just let davante crush them like davante got a safety i'm very frustrated with uh on a double move where i'm like i i don't understand how davante is getting a 60 yard catch when puka naku is not playing uh i i don't understand again why davante's one-on-one at the goal line i get like when puka's playing the rams can get davante a one-on-one i don't get when puka's out why the rams don't even need to put davante in motion to get him against the rookie cornerback who's shading inside to hide the slant and then davante just does a like a slant and like goes to the pylon i'm like this is the easiest touch that but again they played great uh the other person just have to i you know the jackson dart i don't want to belabor on because you don't know it but he's probably it's probably fucked the person i want to talk about is aaron donald who uh i actually think it's underrated how incredible his performance was in this game i i kind of think the dart injury has overshadowed that i thought aaron donald was unbelievably impactful and frankly i assumed that he would have some kind of ramp up period that didn't really exist he played like you know less than half the snaps but when he was in the game the giants had to double team him every time and when they didn't he just immediately won and it was like they had to be running around uh around aaron donald or like the plays were designed to leave him unblocked and use the aggressiveness against him but among other takeaways i actually think that if miles garrett comes back healthy i do think the rams are going to win the super bowl because i couldn't believe how immediately good donald was on a per play basis yeah i mean he was look he looked like himself which is all you can really hope for it obviously you know i think he had only one pressure in the game but that doesn't kind of capture the impact that he was making he was getting double teamed constantly he looked good he looked physical and spry and he looked like he had push it like it looked like he was fresh and yeah and as soon as they get miles garrett back oh my god yeah so this was this was a good reminder of the rams still being the rams and they look great at times they did kind of let the giants hang around but overall they took care of business they did their thing at the end of the game did you guys see that sean mcveigh basically took uh took the blame for the australia trip it was funny he to close his presser he was like sometimes you win sometimes you learn and sometimes you have a coach who makes an idiotic travel plans for something a lot he said sometimes you have a dumbass coach who makes a scheduling plan that puts you in a bad spot right and then he like slaps the podium and walks off there you go down clip bye yeah you can have it he he took took the blame even though maybe it wasn't his full fully his like idea or whatever but um but yeah i don't know i the rams are fully you know scary again in my mind obviously like week one you're like what the hell happened to this team um but the what happened was i was texting with my buddies before the game i'm like and they were like basically the best the most likely scenario is the rams kicked their asses and they look like the rams again i was like yes the and they did the person needs to get calibrated i think his who i mean obviously davante was great but i mean overall like again i just think the rams if everyone's healthy like they'll they will i i they will win i couldn't believe how good aaron donald was yeah so football's dumb um anything else on monday night anything else in jackson dart i'm not thinking of no now you can focus on fantasy you don't have to worry about rooting for a team you know what i mean maybe you'll get jeremiah smith now like who knows so we're gonna do bylows for power hour but before we do that i do want to just mention we don't have but i wonder if malik neighbors is now a bylo i was just going to interrupt you and say i think neighbors might be a bylo candidate just because james played terrible but in in his entire career james has been maybe the most like force multiplier in fantasy that we've seen yeah like it's crazy that that what element he brings even though he's not necessarily going to help you win games he is a huge huge variable for fantasy points we'll see what happens going he might be throttled and dable and coaches that are on offensive are more conservative maybe there's something physical wrong with him with his arm but i agree dk i mean we talked about jerry judy jerry judy catches yards targets touchdowns everything was just double with james who is now cut and so he's like not even he's on a practice squad somewhere i don't know party's like you have a five-day window here where people will be worried about james or james's arm the giants bad vibes malik neighbors had a shoulder injury his shoulder's gonna be fine he went back in the game and i'm like man malik neighbors if you had told us 17 games of neighbors or 17 games to james or 17 games of jackson dart we would have ranked neighbors higher if it was with james so i kind of think his value is going down as the real value is going to go up i am worried about the health i don't the shoulder thing kind of freaked me out he looked like he was in incredible pain and then they came he came back in he was also like feels like he's still i mean he's like openly admitted he's really not 100 on his he's like ramping no he's not there's a lot going on there so i i don't know i don't know if i would like endorse that with my i don't know if i would like endorse that with my whole body well yeah but i don't think you have to give up as much as you would have because again he had one catch for he had one catch for one yard last night like you know people are probably panicking so i i think that's and that's kind of a good window into how we want to do this whole bylo thing which is we're trying to buy low like we're not saying that we're going to go through a bunch of players we think you could do with trades we usually do this episode next week because i think it's hard to to get a trade done after two weeks and then after three everybody's like oh and three or one and two wants to do it after even two weeks people usually want to like see their players one more time but i don't know if the big start of this year has been more of a disaster than typical years there's like six quarterbacks that are out for significant amounts of time there's been a lot of like weird fantasy disasters that have already taken place um so i've already seen trades take place in my leagues trade requests are going around so we wanted to push it a week earlier because there's just a lot going on it feels like desperation's the mother invention if you want to get trade done you start with the people at the bottom of the standings so oh and two like that's just like those are the people and then i i try to i try to work backwards from like who's on their team but i think just to be clear we're saying that these people that we're going to talk about are guys that if you could do a draft over i think the people who have them are like i would not take that person straight up i would i regret taking that player and we're basically identifying as you might be able to get for like way less value than they were drafted even two and a half weeks ago yes and i don't think that's going to be the case yeah we all kind of submitted our three to four favorite high fits ranked them we we don't agree on all of these like what i me looking at this list i have a couple i have a couple qualms so i'm excited to get into it um we should say so we're doing this power hour style where every three minutes you will hear a sound we've been we've been experimenting with sounds because tom tom we can't license tom tom so we're we're figuring out what what to do last week we tried something this week what we're going with is a long time ago when when this show was not called the ringer fantasy football show it was called the dantasy football podcast great for seo um we had did you mean fantasy we had an old producer at the ringer evan campbell who made uh the theme song for that show and it was like old school nfl bells mixed with like dubstep and we loved it but it was like a little hot a little intense we changed the name we kind of changed but now we've we've clipped that into a little five second nugget and i've kind of always had a nostalgia we've always kind of loved that song so we're gonna be doing that today and we'll see how that plays it goes hard so fair warning it goes hard we're we're really doing like the bachelor for the power hour this year we're gonna test around we're doing hometown yeah yeah and by the end of the season we need to find a new power hour song so we're just gonna take it out for a spin you know yeah it's like dating your ex yeah but uh well yeah no it's a really good call dk wow uh yeah so we're gonna do power hour style uh every three minutes you're gonna hear this old intro it goes man yeah that was good yeah it's hardcore that feels like we're doing an ad for like monster energy yeah which we're not celsius yeah uh uh uh uh uh which we're not we're not doing that to be clear we're not we're gonna go through bylows and again these guys are gonna suck i'm just warning you ahead of time and it's let's do it let's do it i'm going for number one three minutes on the clock colston loveland and luther burden that's right the bears it's been a disaster colston loveland has one catch for three yards over two weeks i would argue the the tizen the the bagent news um it might not be bagent because he's in concussion protocol so we might be in case keenum territory i would argue that helps your chances of getting colston loveland in a trade um you can wait a week if you want to get cute they're playing the eagles on monday night football and it might be with case keenum so it could be a disaster i i mean it can't really get worse than what colston loveland is already doing but i i almost don't even want to like i think it's obvious why you'd buy low on him he's a we all agree we think he's a good player and his involvement in the offense from like a route participation and a snap standpoint is great so i would i would post him number one and number two luther burden who there are a little bit more alarming stats about how many snaps he's he's playing and khalif raymond and all the stuff like that if you look at the routes every time caleb dropped back burden adunze and loveland are all around 75 regardless of how many actual snaps they're playing when they're throwing the football all three of them are usually in the are usually running routes for like three-fourths of the time um what i will want to say is like i think i think the vikings game you should throw out not because like i know it's like playing a good defense doesn't just mean you can throw out all the stats but the vikings looks like crazy they run too high and they defend the slot really well all those three things are like a perfect recipe for luther burden to not play well but burden runs a runs deeper routes caleb was 33rd last week in depth of target ahead of only jack strand and it was a mess that game and if you just look at week one he was second on the team with 63 yards and five catches so my entire point is like don't overreact i do think the bears are going to be a good game and i think the vikings game you should throw out are are i actually think that luther burden calls 11 people are going to be pissed especially with loveland and i and i think you should try to go after them yeah i think i was the most uh little bit cynical about this or not cynical but like i have a little bit of doubt in the back of my mind based on like the way that they're using him but when you do look at when you break it down by routes per team drop back which is how many routes are you running relative to the amount of times the team is throwing and dropping back to throw and you're right like burden and odun say about the same thing and i think that's a good thing and i think that's a good thing and i think that's a good thing and i think that's a good thing and i think that's a good thing and i think um and they're out there a good amount of time and i think they're he's just really not out there when they're running which is totally fine um and i think just this is this is a perfect example of don't overreact to a small sample i think the colson loveland stuff is probably we're going to look back on it like wow that was crazy the first two weeks he didn't do anything and then you know it became a big focal point in the offense i i think that probably will happen it's more likely than not to happen um but yeah i think people and also this is really helpful because people who have loveland are probably freaking out right now this is that's the best part of this is i think yeah you can you don't have to spend big to get loveland i would guess because people one catch in three yards in two games that's like droppable if you're there's a good point tk like some people might just drop him for fucking dalton schultz or something exactly that drop if you could just offer like a regular run of the mill type a mark andrews and then throw in like a running back or that might like help them you could probably get close to loveland yeah if you have colson loveland you're probably oh and two and freaking out and then you're like i need a win like i can't go oh and three i don't know case keenan plays you're not going to play colston loveland this week so you're oh and two you might not play coles like if caleb but if you're two and oh and you trade for colson loveland and in four weeks caleb williams is back yeah i think this is a really good call um okay next up here number two we're also wait we're saying luther burden's number two i think colson loveland is an emphatic indoors because the people who have them aren't going to play him are we is luther burden an equally emphatic endorsement before we move on it's not probably an equal because colson loveland is like an abject disaster burden might be harder to give up but i do i i i feel i still feel confident that much brighter days are ahead number two then number one a one b for loveland and uh luther burden number two by low dk you set saquon barkley running back for the eagles yeah so this one is a little hard to stomach i know how frustrating it has been to watch the eagles offense and he's already hurt he had a stinger we don't exactly know the implications for how long he'll be out yet but if you look at the first round and basically all the high volume first round running backs he is the only one that hasn't even remotely lived up to expectations or is basically been a failure based on where you got him and i think i'll just put it this way you're not buying confidence in the offense or confidence that the eagles are going to be the best offense in the nfl or whatever you're buying touches and he is going to get touches almost surely as long as he's on the field he's going to get like 18 to 20 touches a game and you can't really trade for that otherwise like there are no other players right now that you could pay a relatively low price to get that are going to have 18 to 20 touches now of course it's not going to be totally cheap but if i'm looking at like omar and hampton cam scataboo plus devon h and plus i probably would be trying to make my plus you mean plus a person plus plus yeah yes sorry it's not like a new streaming cam scataboo is a streamer gaming service named cam scataboo plus sorry no i meant like like packaging omar and hampton cam scataboo one of these guys to go get saquon um because i think i think number one saquon still got his talent and explosiveness and elusiveness like if you look at all the underlying numbers like he's breaking a lot of tackles um he's creating yards after the after contact at elite level so far even though it's a small sample um and so i don't i'm not worried he's like washed or anything like that i think right now the the worry is and the reason people might be freaking out about saquon is the eagles offense is still trying to like get its footing there are totally different looking offense than last year they're playing 75 of their uh snaps are in like 11 personnel which was more like 58 last year or something like that um and they just lost goddard so i think that's probably not going to change all that much so i don't know i think the eagles are still trying to find their footing and really what you're doing is you're trading for volume and that is i think a really important variable here in there's like very few running backs in the nfl they're going to get 18 touches i think that's fair and that's probably smart and if the stinger is nothing and he's going to play this is probably a smart call because i think saquon barkley looks fine like he had a 40 yard run in week one i think he looks i don't think he's like washed by any means it's just the eagles offense my fear is like you're just trading for david montgomery a guy who's going to get 18 carries for 48 yards every week right um but i i think it's i'm upset because i have saquon and my main high school league and i'm just like pissed about it however you're probably right i think they get it they have a get right game against the bears defense this week we'll see how that goes and then you know going forward it's not like a total gauntlet they do play the rams and jags which are tough no they have the cowboys commanders giants depending on where you look they have like the seventh or eighth eighth easiest schedule rest of year for yeah i think that's huge yeah hyphens do you agree with that it's probably smart he's thinking it always depends whether the person regrets drafting the player i know that's just i regret it i'm telling you what i'm saying maybe i'm just like that's the point of the exercise like craig's emotion right now is what's driving this to me is like some people might want to just get out that's what yeah that is what you're trying to identify is people who are like i actually would love to sell low because i'm upset like you want the emotional decision craig was just talking about like like i he he never wanted to say guan and now he's stuck with him and you're like i'll fix this for you and like i think that's so if you find someone like that like yeah sure for you screw it but all of these i will say just just to remind you all of these are a pretty big leap of faith i think well they're well that's the thing it's scary to draft for guys who are doing shitty there isn't and that's our trade for guys yeah there are no players where you're like yeah no they haven't been that bad but you'll get a huge discount on them the discount is because they're terrible or the team's really hard to watch you know what i mean yeah with that said would you for Saquon? - I don't think Brees because the Jets have been good and Brees is so involved in the passing game. But the guys that I threw out, like Hampton, I think I would. Like Hampton and another piece, I think I would do that because I am terrified about the Chargers' offense and their schedule. Wow. That's a bold pick. I'm proud of you for saying that. Yeah, I don't think Brees, but I do think guys like Hampton, Skadaboo, I mean, people are trying to get away from A-chance, so it's probably not going to happen. And then if you want to trade like a receiver, I don't know how high you have to go. Like, I would probably trade Devontae Smith. I don't know if that's like not enough. Maybe you might have to throw in another piece with that. But like, look for a receiver that's had a really hot start to the season and maybe try and get Saquon out of that. I like it. DK's making calls here. I respect it. Fence it or DK. It's like, fuck yeah, I'd trade O'Marion Hampton. You guys started asking me questions and I'm like, I guess I have to start answering stuff. Number three, Bilo. Three minutes on the clock. I have Drake London, receiver for the Falcons. And if you want to buy a free Kyle Pitts, tight end for the Falcons, who is maybe free. I'm not actually recommending, I'm not legally allowed to recommend Pitts. The Pennix is in. Drake London has 11 points in two weeks. He's already screaming at fans on the sideline that I'm going to fuck you up. And fans are demanding Jack Strand in week two. They're just being like, we demand Strand. We demand Strand. We demand him to be taken seriously. Times are tough right now. The vibes are bad. And then the Falcons are going to go on Thursday Night Football and they're probably going to look terrible because Michael Pennix is going to start. So it's kind of four quarterbacks in three weeks if you count Tua not really playing. Having said that, I think Drake London was overdrafted in the beginning because we kind of knew the first month would be disaster for Atlanta. And now you could trade for him way lower and just get the value for Drake London. Because Drake London was last season in 11 weeks. The first 11 weeks. Drake London was literally a top five receiver with the same amount of fantasy points through 11 weeks as Puka Nakua. Literally tied with Puka. And then here, Drake London hurt his knee. And then Michael Pennix was hurt. And then it was Kirk Cousins. And the offense was different. So now that Michael Pennix is back and his style of just throwing fuck it balls, he just throws it up to Drake London. And that's Drake London's specialty, especially in the end zone. Drake London has a serious chance to just be a top five-ish receiver again. But right now, the person who has him is looking at, like, 70 yards. And now the Falcons are going to embarrass themselves in prime time. And there's going to be this 10-day gap of being like, oh my God, Drake London was a terrible pick. But the Falcons will be practicing for those 10 days. So I actually think Drake London's a pretty good buy-low. And then even if the person's like, no, I want to see the game, I think this game's going to go poorly too. Because there's Pennix, there's no practice time. But then over the course of the rest of the season, I actually think every game Pennix and London will play together, they'll be pretty good. The problem is, you know, can Pennix stay healthy? But that's the point. It's just a huge discount. Because the Falcons are the worst team. They're the best team in the league right now. Is there a world in which Pennix is a good quarterback? Are we giving up on him already, do you think? Or do you feel like, eh, maybe he'll end up being really good? Like in real life? Yeah, yeah. I mean, he. Where are you on that, I guess, is my question. I mean, it's funny, because I think our draft analysis of Michael Pennix and everyone's was pretty accurate, which is, if he had no ACL tears, he deserved to be a top 10 pick, probably, top 15. But he had two, which means his next one would be three. Yeah. And so how do we evaluate that? That's crazy. And honestly, it's exactly what happened, which is, if he had had a normal timeline to develop, I actually think he could have been good. He is 26. He has started 12 games. Yep. And he's had three ACL tears. So unfortunately, the cold rule of the jungle, like, no, I probably don't think he'll be a good NFL long-term starter. He started nine games last season, had nine touchdowns, three picks. I will say, the thing that really does make me like this call is that he. I think. When he was playing, London had the highest target rate in the NFL. London was a top five receiver with Pennix. Yeah. And before London kind of got banged up and everything went to shit in Atlanta. I think because you're getting a discount. I'll let this song finish. Bang. I think because you're getting the discount that Heifetz outlined, like, people are just pissed and they want to get rid of him. It's worth taking the risk on Michael Pennix staying healthy. That's the thing. And again, it could obviously go wrong, but I think that the Falcons are such a laughingstock. Whoever has Drake London is like, why did I take. I think they're going to look bad in primetime this week, but that's going to be a result of practice. Yeah, but the thing is, you don't have to flip. Whoever you took in the third round is not who you're sending away. I think that whoever's Drake London is probably going to panic. Would you trade Jalen Coker for London? That's a good example. I'm going to throw out, like, a name. Yeah, that's a good example. Yes, I think that's a perfect trade because on the surface, you're like, that's a terrible idea. Well, how long will it take Drake London to get as many points as Coker? But if I had told you two weeks ago that. Two weeks into the season, you could just flip Drake London for my Jalen Coker. You're like, out of principle, yes. And so, yeah, that's a good example. I would do that. Ringer Fantasy Football Show is brought to you by FanDuel. Thursday Night Football just got even better with FanDuel. With early win, a fast start could be all you need to win big. For Falcons versus Packers, just bet the money line. Then if your team jumps out to a seven-point lead at any point in the game, you'll win instantly. So whether your team scores in the opening drive or builds an early touchdown lead, you can be celebrating before the game's even over. Craig, you pointed out. Drake London is 2-1 to score a touchdown in this game. Yeah, he has like the fifth or sixth best odds to score a touchdown. If you look at what he's done with Michael Penix, scores a lot of touchdowns. So 2-1 feels. Even if you don't believe in the Falcons, Penix and Drake London have a proven connection. Do you think that's because of the 64 games so far this season? The Falcons' two games are both in the bottom four for EPA, like expected points. I mean, look, they haven't been in the red zone once. So they probably need to get in there to get a touchdown. We should bet on red zone targets for Drake London. Where's that from Fandle? Is that in there? If that's in there, I would take that. But yeah, I don't mind 2-1 touchdown for Drake London. I think that's pretty good. Maybe Fandle will add that for us. Will the Falcons reach the red zone? Check out Fandle's early win for Falcons vs. Packers in the Fandle app. Just another reason why this is your most rewarding season ever on Fandle. 21-plus select states or 18-plus DC or Wyoming. Opt-in required. Tokens are non-withdrawable. Restrictions apply. See terms at sportsbook.fandle.com. Gambling problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLE. Call 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org slash chat in Connecticut. This episode is brought to you by Nationwide. Everyone knows that to win in fantasy, you need players that can be so much more. The QB that can throw for 400 yards and rush for a touchdown. 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And Rasheed Rice just had six catches and was kind of just like any other guy on the team. I'm going to buy the fact that every time in the past that Rasheed Rice has been on the field, he's a top 10 wide receiver in fantasy. He has been. His last 17 games before this year with the Chiefs, he had 120 catches. And I'm not super impressed or I shouldn't say impressed because I am impressed with Travis Kelsey, but I don't feel great about any other non-Kenneth Walker option on the Chiefs long term. Travis Kelsey turns 37 in two weeks. Xavier Worthy hasn't hit 25 yards yet in a game. And everybody else is ancillary. So I'm like, Rasheed Rice has been incredibly mediocre and super disappointing. If you can trade, I wrote some names down, like I would trade Christian Watson for him. I would trade Mike Evans for him. I would trade A-Chan, Brees Hall, Kyron Williams. I am much more willing to bet. Those are some aggressive names. I like that. I'm much more willing to bet. Travis A-Chan or Devon A-Chan? Either. Right. But I'm willing to bet that the number one guy on the Chiefs who's been good every time he's been on the field for the last three years, even though they have Ken Walker, I'm still okay with it. Are you worried at all that Ken Walker's clearly the number one option at the goal line now, not Rasheed Rice, and that Rasheed Rice is kind of getting these extension of run game throws that are now just wrong? And then Kelsey also kind of looks better now. Not really. That's my fear. Rasheed Rice had a red zone touchdown in week one, and they schemed up Xavier Worthy for a touchdown inside the five-yard line on Sunday. And Rasheed Rice was open on that play. Yeah, but no one expected Xavier Worthy to catch a football. They were shocked. That's true. I'm willing to bet on, it's okay that the Chiefs have a good run game now. I think Rasheed Rice is still a great option. I like this one a lot. I almost submitted this one for myself. I do think that there is a, it's a little bit more of a stretch than the other guys that he's going to. It is, that's why he's lower on this list. Yeah, like re-inherit his previous volume, because I do think Kenneth Walker is a huge factor here. He's basically taking away a lot of the, like Craig said, extension of the run game stuff. Kenneth Walker has a 23% target rate right now. I don't really think that's going to continue all year. That's the thing is, I think at some point, they're going to want to pull back off the throttle a little bit on Kenneth Walker. He's averaging 28 touches a game, and I don't know if they want to do that all year long. They've already talked about Emmitt Johnson getting more touches. I do think, and the other variable here is Rasheed Rice is still ramping up for an injury. So I think these are, there's a lot of factors. There's sort of a lot of variables in the air right now. But like, I do think as the year goes on, they're going to ease off of Kenneth Walker a little bit and then start building more in for Rice as it goes along. Janicey, dude. What a time. Would you rather have Drake London or Rasheed Rice rest of the season? Rasheed Rice. The difference is the Falcons suck. And Michael Penix will probably get hurt. You're asking me about Patrick Mahomes or Michael Penix. Penix will probably get hurt again and you'll be back to Jack Strand. That's the issue with Drake London, whereas Rasheed Rice has Patrick Mahomes. Yeah. Even if London has a higher ceiling, I'd still probably just take Rice. I think London's value has dropped more from two and a half weeks ago. But Rasheed Rice, people are, yeah, people are still concerned. Okay, next up, DK. You had George Pickens, receiver for the Dallas Cowboys. Yeah, I asked you guys about this guy the other day in terms of, is he a shart? Like, we're kind of worried about the beginning of the season for George Pickens. Right? You know, last year he averaged over 14 points per game and half PPR. This year he's averaged five and a half points per game. I don't know if you can expect or even hope for the ceiling that he had last year where CeeDee Lamb was hurt and he ended up getting just a ton of volume. But I still think he's got way more potential than what we've seen in the first two games. I think you're buying low. And people that have him are probably really worried that CeeDee Lamb looks fantastic through two games. And maybe, you know, the worry is it's just going to be the CeeDee Lamb show the rest of the season. But I do think, if you look under the hood a little bit, Pickens, according to Fantasy Points, Pickens' expected fantasy points per game is 13.2 points per game and a half PPR. He's only averaging 5.7. So he's basically just missed out on a few big plays. He had a big drop in week one. He's drawn a couple of defensive pass interference penalties that could have been big plays for him. He's still getting a very solid target rate at over 20% and a very solid targets. First read target rate, again, I think it's like 21%, according to Fantasy. So his numbers are still okay. Not last year levels, but still very good. And I think he's a really, really talented player. And this is a good passing offense with the Cowboys. I trust Dak to get in the football. It's basically just gone horrible from the first two weeks. And people that are panicking on him might want to get rid of him now. I really think he's a buy. Especially because he's George Pickens. And if he has three bad games in a row, and you're Dak Prescott, you fear that this guy's just going to check out. You got to feed him. Right. Right. You got to feed. George Pickens, you got to keep him happy. You don't want the body to turn. Yeah. I mean, I think this is, I totally agree. I mean, Pickens will probably not be as good as he was last year. He'll be certainly better than he was now. I think, I feel like this is one where you almost need him to play poorly one more time to actually get him off someone's team. I think same with Oshie Rice. These guys are good middle tier options here because they're both good players who are young and good offenses. And they've had underwhelming two games in a row. I totally agree. If it happens three times in a row, you have a better shot. You need the three strikes. It's like Colson Loveland and Bird and the Saquon. It's like there's injuries and backup quarterbacks or Saquon has the stinger and isn't playing well. And now we're like, all right, these are just guys that didn't have good games for a couple weeks. So I almost think you can start the conversation now. And the person's like, I'm not trading him. And then they play badly again. And you're like, and they're like, okay, maybe I'll trade this guy. Panic sets in. Fear. He's just like incredibly talented and in the red zone. Like the Cowboys have just an offense that you want to be a part of the whole season. Yeah. DK, would you flip Parker Washington for George Pickens? Would you be like Parker Washington? Hell no. Truthfully, I don't know if I would trade Parker Washington for anyone right now. Legitimately, there's probably like four wide receivers. It's like Amonrod, JSN, Jamar Chase, and Puka. I don't know if there's anyone else. I think Olave, I think my biggest fear, just this is super aside, but like my biggest fear this year is that Olave is going to be my biggest miss by far. Because I was, I was worried about the concussions thing, but man, Olave's been incredible. Would you trade Justin Jefferson? Would you, would you accept Justin Jefferson for Parker Washington? No. I think I would. I think I would out of principle, and then it would not work out. And then it would be like. Like it would go poorly. I think Parker Washington, he has the second highest target rate so far. I'm like, everything that we thought could happen is happening. I'm like, I'm not jumping off this. You would, what about, you would trade Parker Washington away for CeeDee Lamb? Uh, yeah. I think that's like the level you start to like. It's literally like five guys. So are we really saying it's Jamar Chase, JSN, Amonra, and CeeDee Lamb? And then what? You're saying it's. Like Olave. You would, you would actually keep, if I offered you right now, Justin Jefferson for Parker Washington at a redraft league, you'd just be like, nah, I'm good. Dude, it actually might be five guys. It legitimately might be Amonra, JSN, Jamar Chase, Puka, CeeDee Lamb, and then Parker Washington. Is that right? Olave. Yeah. I think Olave's in there too. Olave, I would think about, I don't know if I'm doing that automatically. Yeah. So does that mean he's a sell high? Probably. I'm like, and one of these, so it's like, does that mean you should. That's fucking crazy, dude. He's like. I'm just saying like, it's one of those where it's like, should you just kind of sell the, sell the peak? Yeah. I'd probably take Olave. Olave's really good, but yeah. There's also obviously the elite running backs I would trade for to send Parker. All right. So we're saying he's the 12th player right now. Something like that. That's kind of wild. That's wild. Well, I mean, that's something. It might not be rational, but that's how I feel. Yeah. That's a good way to put it because that's really what you're going on. It's how people feel. Speaking of which, my next buy low is I have Travis Achan running back for the Saints. Ooh, that's a good one. I think this is one where I'm not, I think it will be fine, but I do also think people are panicking like it won't. And this is a crucial. I'm panicking on this. This is, so Travis Achan, it's like seven, 17 carries for 70 yards in two games. He split work with Kendrick Miller in week one. He was out touched 10 to two by Alvin Kamara in the first half. And this is a good example of a couple, just principles that I'm going to rely on. Football principles. They paid Travis Achan the same amount of money as the Chiefs paid Ken Walker. 12 ish, 14 ish million dollars per year. They're going to give Travis Achan the ball. He's on the field. And the Saints, you know, they're messing around with giving Kamara touches. They're playing in certain places. If you look at the game, Travis Achan is so much more juice than Alvin Kamara. It's not even funny. He's a good enough blocker to be on the field. And I will say this, the thing about getting a trade done is we always talk about this, the blurb test, which is when you, no one has ever made a trade in fantasy football ever without clicking on the guy's name and reading what it says. And in the same way that, you know, maybe certain people in the world running the country, maybe you're whatever, influenced by the last thing that was said to them. - Wow, we're getting blurbed. - The truth is you need the blurb to be negative or you won't really make the trade. The person won't deal the person if the blurb says it'll be okay. If the blurb's like, it's going to be bad. And Travis Achan, like the blurb is like, I don't know, man, he's losing all these touches. - You have to search so high and wide to find anything positive about Achan right now. I don't know if there's anything written about him positive. - Everyone's panicking. And if you Google Travis Achan, you're like, "Oh, what happens?" Everyone's like, "Oh, this is bad." And like, it's going to change. And so again, I think you get Travis Achan for really cheap. He might've been someone's fourth pick and he will be fine. Like he will not be in a first round running back, but he'll be good. - I'm straight up panicking about Achan right now. - This is a great one. - I would be absolutely terrified. - Heifetz, who do you think you could give away to get Travis Achan? - I don't know. This is why, it's two weeks. The truth is you need him to be on someone whose team is 0-2, because it's hard to get a running back. And this is where it's hard to do this, because I know it's not helpful unless they say a name. But the truth is, I feel like no one ever wants to give away a running back for a receiver. Like if you're like, "I'll give you a receiver for this running back." No one ever wants to do that. So you almost have to figure out something. - Let's throw out some names. So like, how about this? Like if you want to do a little combo meal, RJ Harvey and Deebo Samuel, like would you give those two away to get Achan? - Yeah, yeah, I would. - I think so too, actually. - I would. - I think- - What about like, Terry McLaurin and, you know, a running back like Tootin. - Jalen Warren. Terry McLaurin, Jalen Warren. - Terry McLaurin, that's actually a good example. I think the short answer is yes, because Terry, while I'm actually bullish that Terry, when Jaden comes back, I don't think Terry McLaurin will have a ton of value with Marcus Mariota. - What about, it does really hit. What about- - The explosion. - Why didn't we get rid of it? - What about this? The explosion at the end is insane. DK Metcalf. - Why'd that drop? - DK Metcalf and Quinshawn Judkins. - Ooh. - I think you could ask for someone else in that trade back with Travis Achan. I think if you're giving up Judkins and Metcalf, you're like, Judkins has been- - Okay. - I think you could do better than that. But I mean, I think, look, I don't think Travis Achan's gonna be like, the Ken Walker situation is not on the table, but I think that he will, the Saints offense is good. Tyler Shuck is good, but I just- - Would you send Jamison Williams straight up for Travis Etienne? Slash Achan. - I actually, well, that's a good segue. I don't know if you knew this or not, but my next player is also Jamison Williams for the Lions. - Ooh. There we go. - So- - I don't know what to make of this guy, honestly. - You know, I've always had something weird about Jamison Williams, where I never believe it, and I never draft him, and then he has big games, and I just kind of let it happen. And for some reason, I'm never interested. - So he's the biggest boom bust player in fantasy right now, I think, Jamison Williams. He's the player who has, like, two point games, in 30-point games, I think as much as any one or two in 20-point games, that is really hard on emotionally, but there's a very good mathematic argument that that's better for you to win games because a weird thing of fantasy is that a lot of the matches aren't that close and that having eight points feels better than two, but it usually doesn't matter. You actually need guys to freaking explode to win. Explosion games. It's like, it's like the real life NFL where you get an explosive play on any given drive. You're going to win, or you're going to score points at a very high rate. A little bit of Ricky Bobby. Like to just look at the ringer league this week, there was one matchup and we'll talk about the league later. There's one matchup within 10 points. And there were like three that were outside 40. Like that's actually in fantasy a lot more often than not, but James Williams, he has six catches for 78 yards this season. And he should have had double that literally like he had a touchdown to like the one yard line. He had a big drop last week. That should have been for 60 yards. I, the lions, the defense sucks. They're going to give the ball a lot. Jameson, it's going to be a rollercoaster. You will start him some weeks and hate him, but he is going to be a massive part of this offense. And I, I just, the, the, they're just going to be. Huge part of the offense. So they're going to have to throw a ton this season because the defense is worse and already banged up. And I just think they're going to be a constant shootouts like that bills game. It does feel like Jameson Williams leads the NFL in training camp reports about how he looks different this year. Yeah. Every, every August, it's like Jameson Williams showed up to camp every August. He looks, he looks electric muscle put on weight. He understands the offense so much better. This is maybe it's the shorts, but like last two seasons, he's basically like a thousand yards. Seven touchdowns is each of the last two years, which is like, he's kind of like what I think people wanted Xavier worthy to be for the chiefs. And that just never happened. But, but when you catch Jameson Williams on the right game, it is electric when he's like on a crosser 20 yards down the field and like rounding up the sideline, there are very few players more electric than him. Can we play a game right now? I don't know if this timer is going to run it or not, but I think what happens is Jameson Williams is really fast and people's brains break when a receiver is really fast. So fast. Can I play a game? I just want to know if by NFL standards, you think this receiver is really fast, really fast. Okay. Uh, Jamar chase. Yeah. Yes. Puka Nakua. No, no. Jackson Smith and Jigba. No. Speed's not his game. Amon Ross St. Brown. No, no. CeeDee Lamb. No. Justin Jefferson. You see where I'm going with this? Justin Jefferson. No. Coming out of the draft, it was not considered. He was a four, four guy. What is your point? Well, I'll keep going. Chris Olave. But your point is fast. George Pickens. Speed is overrated. And I'm saying Jameson Williams to your point, but I think he's a buy low because he has like 11 points and people are probably mad about it. And he probably needs another bad week. You get him. But my overall point is speed is just overrated in receivers and it's more valuable for getting everyone else the ball, but you're recommending a fast guy. I am in this scenario. Okay. Yeah. But but like fast receivers don't work out anyway. Jameson Williams. Buy it. Yeah. Take it. Let me, let me throw out one variable. I do. And this is something that we talked about in the off season. It has to do with Jared, uh, golf and the way that he plays in a dome versus outside. Okay. In starting on November 15th, the lions play one game for the rest of the, the regular season. And then that would be week 17 against Chicago, which whose defense sucks. Yeah. They play one game outside. I am glad that you put, you brought that up because it's like, would you trade Jameson? Would you like give away Devonta Smith for Jameson Williams? Like, of course not. No, I wouldn't. And yet in the fantasy playoffs, like week 15, week 16, week 17, the Eagles and Devonta Smith are gonna face like the Seahawks, then the Texans and like the Niners. I know. And they're gonna be in Philadelphia in December. And then, yeah. And the lions are gonna be in a dome. I think if look, I think in big tournaments where you have to be like the best team out of a thousand or whatever, worrying about that kind of schedule thing is, is useful, but in like a regular 12 team league, you probably getting, you just gotta make the playoffs. Yeah. You're getting a little cute there. Um, but yes, I do think that does, that is a big variable because I think golf is way better inside. He's certainly way better at home. And so that, that will there's potential for shootout games with those games. And I think that's where Jameson can show up. So I'm on the, I'm like right in the middle on the fence about this one. I don't really know what I feel about Jameson Williams. I'm probably not personally going out and trying to acquire him, but I can see that the, I can see the math in it. You have to give it another week probably. And then the point is after three bad weeks, people think about benching the player. And then once they're benching the player, then they're like, well, I might as well trade this fucking guy. So I think maybe Jameson's one of those guys. I, I, I don't disagree. The guy's saying we disrespected Dan, Dan enough. Oh, Craig, you had Quentin Johnson receiver for the charges as a by-low. This is a real, this is a real by-low. Look, this, this exercise is, is, look, this exercise is kind of basically us saying we're doubling down on our takes that haven't worked out after two weeks. And I will admit Quentin Johnston is a huge miss of mine. I know the two of you liked him as well as a show. We all endorse Quentin Johnson this year. So far this year, he has three catches for 24 yards and no touchdowns in two games. And a bad drop that people probably saw as well on a great Herbert throw. He's just a full on bench player at this point. I don't, I, I can't imagine anyone is starting him in their league. Yeah. He's probably the fifth wide receiver on your roster. And I'm just like, look, he leads the team in targets and target share. And I know that lad McConkey's banged up, but that might also be the point. That is a plus. Yeah. Yeah. So it's like, and like you could get, could you trade Tony Pollard for Quentin Johnson? Probably. I mean, Johnson, you could get a defense. You could probably trade like a backup hand, like tank Bigsby. You could probably trade for. Oh, for sure. I, I don't know if I'd give up Bigsby. I think that you could, I think you could trade a defense for. Quentin Johnson. He's a throw in. You could, you could trade a middling tight end. You could trade Mark Andrews, like a, a running back, not doing like a Jalen Warren, a guy who gets like nine points a game. You could really, I don't think you even have to give him up. I think people are gonna cut Quentin Johnson. Yeah. I think this is a great call though, some leagues for sure. I could see that. If no other principle than this, everyone now agrees that the Chargers suck and the Chargers season's over. It's I, I, everyone has unanimously declared the. Chargers season over, which is when you're like, no, they're that's probably, they're probably gonna bounce back now because everyone just has given up and sold all their stock. And it's like, yeah, Quentin Johnson's like whatever notch above free. It's a good, it's a good call. They're playing the bills who, you know, golf just went nuts, put up 30 on them. Stroud and the Texans played really well against the bills in week one. Um, I'm not saying the Chargers are, are gonna be great and they're back or whatever, but it's like, he's free. It's Justin Herbert. It's might be Daniel. If you, if you wanna take another shot, of settle down juice, maybe just, maybe this could work out. And again, he's like literally free. Any other buy lows from you guys? I think if you're looking for a quarterback, we, Dan, we went, oh, we're now getting ahead on Dan, Dan. Okay. Oh, did the, did it not play? No, it hasn't. Well, we'll kill it. And we're, we're saving time. We'll add time now to start three minutes again. Super respect, super. Wow. Okay. Mega respecting it. I think we gotta mention at least one quarterback with the amount of quarterback injuries and things and kind of weirdness that the quarterback situation has had, uh, Drake may for the Patriots. I feel like people are probably panicking a little bit on this guy and forget. It's easy to forget. Yeah. It's easy to forget that he was the runner up for MVP last year and he was the QB too. And he was amazing fantasy. I believe he was second. I think the, yeah, exactly. Second, second highest scoring quarterback. A lot of that had to do with, um, him scrambling a bunch, which he's still doing and him having incredible efficiency and, and accuracy downfield, which is not happening. So I do think he was always due for a little bit of regression from what we saw last year. He was extremely, extremely, uh, efficient. And I, and that kind of thing is just not gonna happen every single year for most quarterbacks. Um, but that being said, he went up against two really tough defenses in the Seahawks and the Steelers. Um, you know, and, and I think he's, he's, he's going to continue to improve as the year goes on. There's their schedule is not necessarily a gauntlet. I know that they have a first place schedule, but it's not the hardest schedule in the world. Um, I think people are panicking as, as, as Craig said, and think he just sucks now, or thinks he has the yips or something, dude. And I don't think that's the case. If you look at fantasy totals, just points per game at quarterback dead last Cooper rush third, two, two and a half points a game. Yep. Second to dead last Aaron Rogers, third to dead last Drake may. That is not going to continue all year. I do not believe that that will continue. I think he's going to, you don't think he's gonna be the third worst quarterback in the NFL. Yeah, you're right. I do not think that thanks to Ken. That's what I'm telling you right now. I think he's, I think he still has top 10 potential. All right, but let's talk Turkey who, who straight up, like if you, if you're. Ranking the quarterbacks this year, where is Drake may starting now? Um, I still think he would be in my top 10. I, let me, I would have to look at the list, like, and, and really feel that out, but yeah, top 10. And, and I think like the, the idea that I had is, is trading Bryce young for Bryce for, for Drake may right now. Do you think some people might take that? Well, you'd have to add something. You'd have to include something. Bryce may Bryce young plus a receiver. What is with you in plus? I feel like I've never heard this from anybody. I know you're like, I like it. That sounds good to me. Oh, I don't know. I, I think that was the thing. Maybe I read that up. I feel like I've known you for seven, seven years, just on this show. And I feel like I've never heard you say that till today. You'd probably, well, you know, something good. Like would you, if you had Bryce, if you had Drake may, would you trade him away for Bryce young and Jamison Williams? No, no. Bryce young and Garrett Wilson. I think you have to take that. I think I would probably do that. Yeah. I would do that. Okay. But I do, but I'm saying, I, I think you should go get him is, is, is what makes it kind of hard here. I still have a lot of confidence in Drake may from a fantasy point of view. Um, so you would, you would give up Bryce young and Garrett Wilson to acquire Drake. I think that's too steep. I think you could get him for less because I think people are panicking about how bad he's been. Okay. I think you could do Bryce Young plus. Shit, I don't know. Throw out like a Roma Dunze or something like that. But Jameson Williams was a no. No one's doing that. Roma Dunze is a yes? No, I would give up Jameson Williams and Bryce. Sorry if I was confusing there. I would trade Bryce and Jameson for May. Yeah, but I'm saying, would you give up Drake May for Jameson Williams and Bryce Young? No. No. So who would you give up Drake May for? I'm telling you to trade for Drake May. I know, but you have to think about it from both ways. I'm saying offer up Bryce Young plus like a receiver, you know, Devontae Adams, not Devontae Adams, like a Jalen Coker level receiver. So if you have Bryce Young, sorry, if you have Drake May, you would give him up for Bryce Young and Coker? No. I don't understand why you're flipping it on me. Because the person with Drake May has to do this. I know, but I'm saying the people that are willing to give up Drake May are panicking, which I'm not doing. So I think it's kind of like a weird way that you're flipping the question. But that being said. I understand what you're saying. I'm just like. He just got used to being asked questions. You're like, it's like you're confusing me. He just got used to questions. I don't understand your tactics. The whole point is when you make a trade in theory, you want to make a trade that the other, the person sees as advantageous for them. So you've been trying to put myself in their shoes. I'm confident of Drake May and some people are not, is what I'm saying. Do you not understand what I'm saying though? No, I do, I do, I do. It's just funny to hear you be like, I would not do that. I'm like, well, okay. I mean, look. DK does have. I'm not trying to be unreasonable here. I get what he's saying. I do get it. Because you're like, you're going after the people who are panicking and you're not. Yes. So I do get it. It's just funny to hear you be like, no shot at it, no way. I love that you're like, yeah, all from Roman Dunes and they're like, would you take Roman Dunes? You're like, no, the Bears are on their third quarterback. Of course I wouldn't do that. The difference is I like Drake May. Some people might hate him at this point. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. That was great. I want to mention a few other people that might be good bylers. Trying to win trades. All right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Fleece people. The truth is fleecing people is really worth it in fantasy. It doesn't happen as much as you'd like. Yeah. Well, it's, it's, I actually think the ability to make trades with people is more valuable. Over like a long-term with like in your league with people for 10 or 20 years. Like you want to do business with these people for a while. It's not a liquid market. You know what I mean? It's like, yeah. The, anyway, I want to mention a few other people that I don't know if we have the ability to the, the, the, the conviction to be like, these are definitely good by lows, but people that you could get for way cheaper than they went. And I want to just throw out the charges. As Craig said, I do think that Justin Herbert, if like, like part of me is like Justin Herbert, I don't know if the charges are going to bounce back, but he's never been in the league. He's never been cheaper. Like I, in, in seven years, Justin Herbert's probably never been cheaper than he is right now. People would probably give him up too. Like, like, oh yeah, they're going to, Justin Herbert's not going to be played this week in fantasy. They're going to bench him. You're like, what? Just, if you still like, just want to buy the dip. Devon Achan for the Dolphins, who the Dolphins suck. He hasn't been horrible in fantasy. He's like 10-ish points, but he's at 11 points per game, which is who he's been. They're giving him the ball a ton. That's another player that like, I think you could instantly acquire for like a lot less than they initially, you know, he's not like the 15th pick. Cardinal Tate. I don't know if any players' values drop more. Like, do you have, wherever you took Cardinal Tate, there's like zero chance he'd go there now. Yeah. I don't know if I believe in it though. That's the thing. That's why he's in this separate section. I don't know if I'm like- He's just an educated guest. It's just a smart guest to pick the fourth overall pick in the draft who's a wide receiver rookie, who usually rookies do better in the second half of the season. He's one of those where he'll probably continue to be bad for two more months and then you can get for free in week nine. We'll all write him off and then Cardinal Tate could be like incredible from Thanksgiving on. I just want to note that like he's, the Titans look so bad. And the Washington, which Terry McLaurin, Stephon Diggs, Jaden Daniels is hurt. If you think Jaden Daniels would come back in a reasonable amount of time, I'm like, man, Terry, Terry should have had like three more touchdowns this season, maybe four over the first two weeks than he already did. I don't even think I'd play Terry McLaurin until Jaden Daniels comes back because I think their connection is so important. But if Jaden does come back this season, we'll see what happens with his elbow. I'm like, man, Terry could be solid. It's like a thin, it's a hard way to live. But I think that once people see Marcus Mariota play the Seahawks, whoever is Terry McLaurin is going to fucking freak out. Yeah. The Seahawks have made everybody look terrible. So it's going to be pretty ugly this week. Our very own Austin Gale just texted us saying that he traded for Justin Herbert and Colston Loveland. Yeah, I think that's smart. It's like an experiment in value. It's like you have to be really dispassionate about it or whatever the word is. Yes, it is. It's very rational. Analytical. Yes. Odds are that those are good trades. What did Austin give up? I'm sure he'll text us now. One sec, he says. One sec. He's like, I don't remember. He's like, I'm too busy grinding trades. Can we talk while we're here about Austin doing trades Catan style, Settlers of Catan, which is like in Settlers of Catan, you make trades in front of everybody for resources. Austin makes trades in the group chat in front of the entire league. I kind of like that. It's like an orgy style. It's just everyone's watching. Yeah, I know that. He negotiates publicly. I have a couple of dynasty leagues where people will. Oh, he gave up Chase Brown, Pickens, Tucker Craft and Willis. Austin's awesome. Oh, that's a lot. Oh, it's a keeper league. He says Colston Loveland's a keeper in round 14 next year. That makes sense. That actually, okay. Thank you for that context. What I was going to say was real quick with the Catan thing. I have a league. We're on sleeper. You can like add a nickname for players. It's like a format that you can just add a nickname for your own players. And a lot of people in my leagues will just put a price 2027 second. This is dynasty leagues. So like a 2027 second, 2027 third. It's like a yard sale. And I love it because it's like, oh, I kind of want that. I think that's fair. Or you can like try and get a little bit less than that or whatever. You don't prefer. So you like that better than the app you make us use for this freaking dynasty league. We're in that's like 30 years old. Looks like the Jurassic Park computer interface that no one uses. We can log into. If it's if you want to go ahead and transfer all the rosters, go ahead. That's what you can do. If you would let me do that to sleeper, I would do it. OK, done. Really? I don't want to fucking do it. You're not going to follow through on this. I'm not the only commissioner, by the way. It's not my choice completely, but sure. So it's not done. Well, I I will give into that. Yes, I'm fine with it. If you do the legwork, you know, this year in my high school league, we switched over from Yahoo to sleeper. And I don't like it as much. Yeah, I like Yahoo more. And we have no sponsorship attachments to any of this. This is completely me. I just think sleeper is like too chaotic. It's too colorful. 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Call 1-800-526-7736 to learn more or visit TremphiaRadio.com Okay, Ringer Fantasy Football League, it's going pretty well for Deke and I. We're in first place. We're both undefeated and everyone else is one and one except Mallory and Bill who are in last place. That's right. We all won this week. I kind of had an elite comeback last night. Last night, Monday night. Who got you that? Devontae? I had Devontae. It was one of those once a season, maybe once every two seasons, you get that. night where everything goes weirdly right and it's what keeps you coming back it's like birdying the 18th hole and you're like yeah exactly it's like that you hit one shot in golf and you're like i have to practice totally again i was down 12 and i had davante and sal had malik neighbors and i'm like man davante's got to outscore malik neighbors by 12 points i even joked with you guys which i now feel bad about i'm like oh maybe maybe malik neighbors could tweak something maybe get a cramp nothing serious just enough to kind of knock him out for a little bit that literally happened because in both you were like davante could never do that davante had like 25 points at halftime i ended up beating sal by like 15 and i'm now in love with fantasy football i'm in love with davante adams and he's back baby he's i feel fucking great i'm i'm in sixth place so i can't get too excited but uh bill and mal being oh and two is kind of hilarious i think it's funny that hyphen said we're in first place i'm in first place he's in second place i know just to be clear um just to just to delineate a little bit i've scored more points so i'm in first place a lot more points i mean that's not how like the ringer 107 works we're all tied and we just pick who's first or second which did they release the ringer 107 update we literally forgot to make a fifth pick i tried to submit one before the game started they said no because there's a deadline that we didn't hit but still we're not going to win that battle we gotta we're just making all our picks on friday now did we go three and one despite and not having a fifth pick we did and once again so even though we did not make a pick everyone in this competition is five and five except for heems and last and the sheil and billy are in first and yet despite that they're putting us last it's literally everyone's at five and five and yet bill house and sal are above us into bundle then we're last even though we won and then it's so they're making it look like we're in sixth when we're tied for second should we do four games every week just four games every week and then we just say we just basically we have to go three and one every yeah fuck that would be amazing um and that's like we probably won't win but think about everyone if we beat anyone helps that they'll be i know it was just sheer incompetence but we still went three and one i i will say i'm a little disappointed in the ringer fantasy league group chat thought it'd be a little more fiery i was trying to send some memes on monday night talking about my resurrection because of devonta adams i didn't give a fuck craig my quarterback was freaking being he would have been carted off if caleb williams hadn't ruined that so he had to walk on his season ending injury down the tunnel and you want me to worry about devonta adams well there's 10 other people in the league that aren't you so yeah i don't know i don't know yeah i was hoping anybody could text well that's a good point yeah i understand what you didn't but there's a lot of other people i just want some i want some zest in there you know what i mean yeah yeah i'll try i'll try and help you craig okay i don't know how far we're gonna get all right i also want to say bill memes didn't work should i apologize to bill because bill said um that well bill took brandon aubrey in the eighth round and i should apologize to bill because um brandon aubrey was his second best player this week and i beat bill by 50 and if uh bill had not had brandon aubrey i would have beat bill by 60 so that was probably a good so the the two guys who took kickers in like the middle round are two of the bottom three scoring teams in the league yes okay we'll see it's it's it's a long season you know 17 games it is indeed 16 really should we do fantasy court let's do it definitely don't tell anyone about this thing that you're doing i don't really want to be handcuffed night to me is when it's dark yes night to me is when it's dark i'm so happy that's there honestly just play it again i'm so happy that's why i'm here just play this definitely don't tell anyone about this thing that you're doing i don't really want to be handcuffed night to me is when it's dark damn i kind of missed the definition of an object now we gotta have both we gotta we gotta keep we gotta put the object back and then get the night to me is when it's dark we gotta that's pretty great all right this this email is from uh ben from northern virginia benny benny all right benny fantasy court is in session ben writes breakfast today large glass of water two cups of coffee and a zin okay this guy is wired yeah wow uh ben writes my friends from high school and i have been running a dynasty league since we graduated in 2019 one league member steven was the first guy to realize the benefits of tanking and has turned a couple terrible years and some very savvy trades into a team with josh allen bijan robinson jameer gibbs among others as you can imagine steven won the league last year but here's the twist steven just traded jameer gibbs for nothing come on that is not an exaggeration the trade literally reads as team a receives jameer gibbs steven receives blank no picks no nothing nothing literally nothing it was just handed over okay and steven says it was not an accident he said part of me wanted to see if people would veto an obviously bad trade and said that it was a test okay so the league is off the tour so the league has an uphold the tour doug he's not breaking any rules so so the ben writes the email or the plaintiff writes that we have this veto policy in the league where people can vote on whether the trade passes or not and the trade did receive the necessary votes to pass so they called his bluff yeah well because why fucking wouldn't they the guy won the league last year and he wants to get rid of his one of his best players i would i would accept it too so ben writes here's the reason we voted yes steven is annoying as hell yeah i can i'm getting that already i'd be like if this guy's trying to pull off a gimmick for fun and there's a call a bluff and he won the league last year why would i give a shit if he wants to give up jimmy or gibbs have that exactly so uh the commissioner who runs the league like an absolute dictator i told the group yeah told the group that the trade would not be going through absolutely not be going through just because it had the votes which i mean it is a little dictator like um well popular vote doesn't always mean you win the election uh what did he like he didn't stop the count he let the count happen it was like fuck that count oh interesting so the commissioner said oh sorry so the commissioner and several other league members felt it was fair to strip steven of some amount of draft capital for accepting the trade in the first place no one soberly thought the trade should have gone through but most league members were on board with steven losing a second round pick as a punishment wait steven is getting jimmy or gibbs back but losing a second round pick that is what they want to do and uh the plaintiff here ben writes for background steven essentially spammed every league member with terrible trade offers last year sending deals like i'll give you sam donald in a second for drake may in a dynasty league multiple times that's some hype and that that is i feel like that type of dedication and aggression is is probably why this guy's winning because one out of every 20 of those is accepted and then he's a good team just wants it more and so he says that steven got soap it's like it's so bad with the text last off season that steven was campaigning for tight end premium which is like socialism for tight ends where they get like more points for a catch than other all right you don't need to edit what is it what is it if not that that's literally what it is i like tight end premium for the record it's a uh participation trophy literally well i guess figuratively sure either way apparently he wanted tight end premium so badly uh that i i this is the plaintiff said i told him he could get my vote as long as he never offered me a trade ever again uh anyway so apparently this is the context alone so the jameer gibbs trade was a counter offer sent by a fellow league member who was so annoyed at steven's trade offers that this person turned around and offered him give me jameer gibbs and you get nothing and steven the psycho that he is was like i just want to i just want to watch the world burn except yes and that is what he did he literally just steven was offered giving away jameer gibbs for nothing accepted it said it was not an accident he did it on purpose and it was a test and then the league voted on it and passed i don't get i can't i can't tell you how much i dislike this steven guy i think they should absolutely absolutely would just quit the league and start a new league with the 11 or the 10 other people and then so like dk dk will be your job yeah so ben writes my actual advice is to stop the league and start a new league with everyone but steven so and you could even just transfer all the same rosters yeah it's a sleeper ben writes i land on the side steven should be punished it's a fairly high buy-in league we all take it pretty seriously and if he wants to punish he lost jameer gibbs well so i'm gonna take it pretty seriously and if he wants to punish he lost jameer gibbs well so i'm gonna take it pretty seriously and if he wants to punish he lost jameer gibbs well so i'm gonna take it pretty seriously and if he wants to punish he lost jameer gibbs well so i i agree i don't see one reason why he can't do this trade like he if he let's be real if this happened and he was like oh it was an accident i hit the button by accident we're like obviously you didn't mean to do it the fact that he's steven's admitting i yeah i did that as a test and then your test failed you lost the test and the test what's the test he accepted the trade this guy actions have like literally they're saying well it's a buy-in high buy-in league we all take it seriously all right well then he should have do it and if you guys think it's really important you shouldn't have voted for it so no i think this is your stupid rule he should lose jameer gibbs if steven won this high buy-in league last year and won thousands of dollars of dollars or whatever it is and he wants to give up jameer gibbs as like a i'm bored fuck you test making a point let it's a bit let it yeah i i don't know why they're giving him back but the guy that gets jameer gibbs gains a massive competitive you know but that guy made the request who cares like good for him he stood up i feel like yeah i feel like i'm okay letting that guy reap the role what's nice about this to me is it doesn't set a precedent it doesn't set a precedent because no one would do this it's not like people are sending player a for no player offers ever so it's like can i throw out an idea it's gonna ruin the league in the future this is a one-off i have an idea i have a i have an idea here and this is why we need a fantasy court because only a court can enforce this okay i think everyone in this league probably is like yeah he shouldn't get like steven shouldn't get jameer gibbs back because he should have done that that's why they want to punish oh you're saying he goes to waivers well kind of but they're basically i think the issue with it is what deke is saying which is this guy just gets jameer gibbs that messes the competitive balance it's a dynasty league you get him for his whole career here's what i think should happen jameer gibbs should sit in fantasy escrow he should sit he should not be on anyone's team yeah steven doesn't get him nobody gets him so he's punished because he fucked around and found out off the board he should not get jameer gibbs jameer gibbs should be in fantasy escrow yeah he could be a whatever like steven can't play i don't know the answer but like he sits there for all year and then maybe there's something where people everyone can make a i don't know next year they have to find a mechanism to put jameer gibbs up maybe he just goes on waivers and it's like let the highest bidder win and steven can re-bid all of his money to try to get him back no because if you bid anything last week it's like you everyone would just bid the same amount of money so it's like you'd have to reach that would be unfair i think i think that you'd have to like have people basically make trades and then you'd have to like have people basically make trades and then you'd have trade offers and then those you like those picks on fire i don't know i don't know the right answer but i do think you should sit out for the year you could do like a blind a blind uh bidding auctions situation for next year where like the person people can offer three firsts or whatever and the highest bidding person wins or something like that this this reminds me of the that quarterback that almost came out of uh college and then ended up not even getting to go back to college uh i'm blanking on his name they came with the gambling issue yeah yeah um i When Dynasty Leagues were trying to. Brendan Soresby. Soresby, yeah. People were trying to figure out, what do we do with this fucking guy? The rookie drafts are already in the past. Does he just go on to waivers? And I think a lot of leagues I was in were just like, he's just not going to be in the player pool this year. Just wait. I think, yeah, maybe Gibbs is an escrow for this year and Steven just loses Gibbs for an entire year. Yeah, sure. He shouldn't get this guy this year. No one gets Gibbs. I mean, yeah, I like that. I think that is the most fair. If I was the commissioner, I'd probably just kick Steven out. Just be like, this guy's fucking annoying. I don't want to be in a league with this guy. Well, now you're just revolting. Now you're just like, well, I know. He won the league last year and he technically didn't break any rules. He was just kind of a cock. I love that DK's like, fuck this guy. I am. That's why you can't kick him out of the league. He just won whatever. That's why I'm taking my ball and starting a new league. Okay. This is a good window into all of our minds. I don't want to deal with this bullshit. Emails. Craig asked for emails about sharts because of the high rocks thing. Dangerous. Dangerous. Ask Craig. I kind of like disastrous sharp moments. So I'm redacting everyone's name unless they said don't because I'm just like, you know, I don't know. Redacted. Our bone. Actually, you know what? No, sorry. I'm going to read this one from Max. Okay. Maxie. And Max starts with, you can use my name. I've told the story to everyone I know. Okay. He's proud of it. Max says, backstory. I've always had a bad digestive track. What's your last name, you coward? Yeah. Come on. What's your email address? Rosmer. I always, Max says, I've always had a bad digestive track. Tracked. And it was normal for me to go four or five days without taking a shit. Okay. I can't imagine that, but okay. Continue. So Max says, things are better now, but back in my freshman year of college, probably the worst thing I've ever done was, the worst my digestive problems ever got because I was living on nothing but cafeteria burgers and pizza. And Max says, I realized at one point that I had not taken a shit for over two weeks. Wow. That can't be healthy. Max says, I told my friends this, that I had not shit in two weeks and they immediately said, you have to go to a doctor. So Max says, I go to the doctor and she prescribes me prescription strength laxatives. And the doctor tells me, after I take the laxatives, you know what? Why don't you just clear out the day? Yeah. This is like a colonoscopy prep. Doctors like clear your schedule. Yeah. So Max says, I go home. I take the laxatives after my last play of the class of the day in the afternoon. I'm waiting and I'm waiting, waiting, nothing. Go to bed. Wake up. Nothing happened. Well, next day I have an exam at one of my classes starting to feel a rumble in my stomach. I'm like, all right, well, maybe I can get through this test. It's just like the, from the plot of fucking Van Walsh. It's wilder when the guy just takes a shit in a bucket in the middle of a test. Okay, continue. Didn't have a bucket. So Max writes, I'm in class going through it. God. I asked the professor if I can use the bathroom. I really got to go. Professor says, if you leave the classroom, you have to turn on the test. You have to turn in the test. Max writes, so I sit back down. I continue taking my test and all the while I'm farting loud and other people are starting to notice, but I just keep going. And I'm like three quarters of the way through the test and then it just hits me. Prescription strength laxatives. And I'm trying, and again, he hadn't shit in two weeks and he says, I'm trying to hold it in. And unfortunately, I begin to just straight shit myself. I regret having this as a prompt. I don't. Craig asked. I'm into this. This is great. I'm just the messenger. So he says, he's just straight shitting himself during the test. Seems like uncontrollably shitting himself. And he says, I'm now wallowing in my own shit two weeks. Two weeks of shit. And he says, well, I'm already here. Might as well keep going. So he finishes the test. What? Dude, I know. How long was that? I don't know. There's no way. Everybody, if he has two weeks of shit coming out of him, the smell, the sound, all of it would be impossible to ignore. Where's it going? Shame. Where is the shit going? Is it all over the floor around him? I need these details because this is, otherwise I'm like, bullshit, this is not true. I bet we could find, I don't know how big our show is, but I feel like six degrees of separation. It's going to be like in a news article somewhere. Someone can find someone else who was in this class. If Max commented this, there's 25, maybe 50 other people in this college class. We could get one of those people to find this show, right? Someone knows someone who knows the story. So did he like tuck his pants into his socks and like just, it's just all sitting in his pants? Well, what the fuck are we talking about here? So Max says, I think, yeah. Did he have like waterproof pants? D-pants? Did you guys ever see the Tim and Eric bit? Yes. Yes. So good. D-pants. See-through pants. The D-pants is like the most disgusting and fucking hilarious fucking bit. Anyway, continue. Is that the end of the, is that the end of it? That's it. No, he says he goes up to the professor to turn the test in at the end. No way. And the professor says that you can use the bathroom now. Thanks. And he says, I look at her and I say, I don't need to anymore. Jesus. And I just let it waft a bit in her direction. He says, which I know was a dick move, but I was 18. And he says, after two hours, I got a new set of pants. I dropped the class, never went back. I mean, you got to move cities at that point. You got to transfer. Leave the city altogether. No, you can bounce back from that. That's because it's so ridiculous. It becomes legendary. You become like an icon of the school. You know, he's more likely to be the president of his frat than he needs to transfer, in my opinion. Oh, my God. So, okay. I have a lot of questions. Yeah. That's awesome, though. I'm having a very hard time believing this story. Also, like, so the teacher just said no, right? When he asked if he could leave? He probably, I will say, I think it's funny to me. Couldn't you just get up and leave, though? I love that Max did not have the wherewithal. I think he was going to fail the test because it was the beginning. I think Max not having the wherewithal to say no. I have a doctor like I have taken prescription-strength laxatives. This is important. Like, it's a medical issue. I'd be like, here's my phone. I'm going to go to the bathroom for five minutes and I'll be right back. Yeah. Yeah. Like, if you just, yeah, you know what? I'm sure there's a lot of, But that's not what legends do. And Max is a legend. What school is he at? Do we know that? Where did all the shit go? I'm so confused about this. They wouldn't just allow this to happen. Two weeks of it? Like, do you know how much? That's probably like pounds of shit. Actually, though. Two weeks? What is all the other fucking people in the class doing? I love the dick kiss on the physics of it. Like, like physically, like space time. Where is it? All right. Okay. Ready for this? The average adult produces about 14 to 16 ounces of fecal matter every day. So. That's like a pound. Over two weeks, we're talking about 12 to 14 pounds of waste. All right. a literal bucket there's no fucking way so i i don't someone someone please if you were there or you know somebody yeah we need to find a friggin witness to this yeah shout out to max i like that he put his name on it dumbfounded yeah i like once again this guy's a legend if he if he shit himself in front of his entire class and finished the test of course he doesn't care about his name he'll tell us his name's max like like nothing this guy's this guy is a fucking hero please email us if you know anyone who uh may have been in this class for this story someone listening is like oh my god my friend told me that they were something like this i i know i i'm sure we can two degrees of separation from this story uh please email us if you have more short stories gotta be like that level max level please email us if you have we want more weird job titles weird jobs weird job titles things like the president of ice cream president of ice cream matt ryan president of football uh send us those and um yeah we'll still take short stories fantasy courts and trivia questions uh we'll probably have a shit related one yeah shit wait yeah i don't know some poop related one you know we'll have that for trivia thank you dk thank you craig thank you cam thank you to kill thank you austin thank you for listening thank you to max for putting your name on that it's incredible um i hope he aced that test thank you lord lord 80s month yeah rolls on i'm going with one of the most 80s sounding songs ever made i'm bouncing back off of give me all your loving which you guys didn't give me a whole lot of loving on i'm going with take on me by aha oh my god i'm going with take on me by aha i'm going with take on me by aha five stop stop one of stop one of the hardest songs you could ever sing the the pitch you need to hit really impossible um so this song is this song is as 80s as it gets let me tell you something about take on me okay okay there was this video game called saints row and saints row you never was for kids whose parents would not buy them grand theft auto the only time in the entire game that your character said anything was if you turn to a specific radio channel your character would sing the entire song of take on me by aha it was the only song in the entire game that your character ever did anything and i know every word of the song because of that game this one's this one is very 80s it's so 80s the synth sounds uh is that the one that goes yeah it's great it's really good norwegian i don't know anything about aha same did not know they were norwegian um they were formed in oslo in 1982 sure fun name to be honest i don't really know any of their other songs i think they're one of the great all one hit wonders yeah i don't i'm not aware of any of their other songs as well i mean the the first five seconds of the of the song it sounds like i'm just like i'm watching breakfast club or something it just feels like that totally it's it's it's a perfect 80s song and then it goes it does feel like it's like the it's a song like that the sound is what plays over opening credits of an 80s movie yeah i'm sure it has many times oh great call craig yeah i had to get it in there i had to get it that's a great one they uh their wikipedia photo is from a concert in madrid where they're playing a palace palazzo vestale gray i don't know what that is but i i do wonder sometimes about these random bands who like you get to live quite the life for a few years you know what i mean do a private stuff absolutely i can't even around the world life of a rock star god be sick all right goodbye everyone aha you 21 plus and present in select states for kansas in affiliation with kansas star casino or 18 plus and present in dc or wyoming gambling problem call 1-800-GAMBLER or 1-800-MY-RESET call 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org slash chat in connecticut or visit mdgamblinghelp.org in maryland hope is here visit gambling help line ma.org or call 800-327-5050 for 24 7 support in massachusetts or call 1-877-8-HOPE-NY or text hope ny in new york for louisiana call 1-877-770-7867 every game day you show up for your team now it's your time ask your prescriber about we go v some maglutide injection 2.4 milligrams a glp-1 call 1-833-4-we go v or visit we go v.com to view the medication guide and to learn more about we go v why wait every game day you show up for your team now it's your time ask your prescriber about we go v some maglutide injection 2.4 milligrams a glp-1 call 1-833-4-we go v or visit we go v.com to view the medication guide and to learn more about we go v why wait