Darrell Britt Gibson Talks Playing Rolla in Power + Bishop in Euphoria Ep. 86 | The Crew Has It

I forget who was hosting, but they were like, "Man, you know, talk about like characters that we miss and I no longer hear." They said a name, they were like, "Uh, they said another name, they were like, "Yo." And they were like, "Oh, what about Rola?" Man, that thing went so crazy in there. It's a team of destiny, y'all. It's a team of destiny, dawg. Like, "O.G. build a statue, dawg, outside." We're going to the game on Saturday. Really? In San Antonio? Yeah, both of us. Oh, my God. Shout out to Braspects. Everybody get them churros, dawg. Alright, we keep doing this where we have people on that we're so excited to talk to and then we just like do what we just did and then we forget to do it. We forget to introduce them. So out of respect we have to, I mean, we have one of the most legendary characters in power of all time. And you want to know what's wild is that I looked at your IMDB today to a little research. You only did five episodes of power. Well, it's crazy. People think you did like 20. No, I know it's crazy. You might have the biggest impact on a character with the least amount of screen time of all time. It's crazy, bro. It's crazy. So we'll get into that. But my introduce, introduce our boy here. Listen, man. I ain't going to lie. I ain't, I ain't going to lie. This nigga is crazy, though, because I was watching, I was watching the last episode of you for you. Yes. And to be honest, I thought he was going to be that like he was going to be the one that like sealed the fate for, for, um, forgot the characters name, bro. Uh, he's the one that came in like trying to regulate everything for, for, um, for, uh, today's character. I thought he was going to end him. I thought he was going to be the one to end him in the end of helping him. So I'm like, this nigga's actually crazy, bro. Listen, man, we got the guy, man. We got the legend right here. So honestly, we was just chopping it up about the pistons. Yeah, yeah. And the nicks. And I really rocked this guy because he, he's a pissant fan. Well, he was given the nicks, you know, the flower, you know, not a lot of people, even if they're not even a fan of the pistons. They, they, they don't even got to be like, like, even have a rivalry with the nicks or even be a fan of a team that got a rivalry. Yo, y'all deserve them flowers, man. Hell yeah. We got Darryl Brick Gibson in the building. Um, dude, it's so nice to finally meet you. I'm such a fan of your work. I think you're a brilliant fucking actor. Thank you. And we're just, we've been trying to have you in here for years now. We've finally met. And so you stay in LA, if you're okay, I love that. I love that. So I want to get into all of it, everything. So when, well, I guess we'll start with the power stuff, right? This is a little, a lot of people want to hear. Um, how did that all happen? How did that come to fruition? Because your first thing was the wire, right? Yeah, that's the first thing I ever did. Your first cred ever. Yeah, ever. And it was like, how many I've seen? Man, I don't remember because I was supposed to do like, I was two different characters. Um, and I had like a one day spot and it was like drug mule or something. And I was like, bro, this is cool, you know what I'm saying? And then I went back to audition for two separate roles. And I remember in the sides, it had said like, the character like jumps over the table that somebody. And so when I went in there and when it got to that part, I like jumped over at the cast and directors and they was like, yo, Daryl don't ever do that shit again. That was fucking brilliant. I walked out that room and I was like, bro, you know what, acting was cool, bro. Like, I figured out something else to do because it's a wrap on that. And then they called me back and they were like, yo, we want to make you a character on the show. So I was in bits of season four and then I was throughout five. So the wire was already the wire at this point? Yeah, but I didn't, but I didn't know it's like one of those things. You didn't know the magnitude of it till you were out of it. You know what I'm saying? And like I did something that people did not forgive me for for a very long time to a certain character. Yeah. And you walked down the street, man, and people screaming at you. And this is like before like social media. So it was just like, you was getting real. You know what I mean? Like it was really coming at you. There are no outlets. Yeah, yeah. Like when you got in there, what you doing? In the season four and then throughout five. Damn. Yeah, yeah. It was like, it was in swing, man. That was crazy. No, it was crazy. And I was living in Baltimore. So it was like, you couldn't really escape it. Yeah. And it's like, it's widely considered the greatest television show of all time. Yeah. So, you know, to be a part of that, like you, as the years go by, you're like really starting to understand like the magnitude of it. Did you live in New York at this point? No, no. I was in Baltimore. Oh, you were just straight up living in Baltimore. I was in Baltimore, bro, because I'm from like right outside of Washington, D.C., Silver Spring, originally Detroit. But then we moved around a bunch and then it ended up in Silver Spring. So like, yeah, I was in the city. Yeah. So were you auditioning prior to that point? No. That's my first audition I ever had. Wow. That's crazy. I already fucked it. Yeah. So after the first audition, you thought it was over? Like you was like-- Well, when I got the little day player joint, I was like, oh, all right. Cool. Like, that was cool. And I remember on that day, I will never forget that day. Like, we had a car that had to like stop at a certain point. And we kept overshooting it a little bit. And I remember there was like a grip walking by. And he said like, slickly to himself, he was like, man, I guess we're going to replace the drug meal. And I'll never forget his face. And I remember being like, I'm going to learn the entire script. Like, ain't nobody ever going to play with me like that. Yeah. So that's why when I would go to set, if somebody like, they'd be like, what's my line? I would know their line. Because I was like, you know, I know this entire script. Because I'm like, nobody's about to play with me like that. Damn. Yeah. Wow, that's what I'm like in storage. Yeah. Well, it's crazy. Yeah, I got so many. So then you did-- so do you start feeling like getting known famous a little bit recognized walking around? No. Not at all. No. Do you feel like there's more acting opportunities coming your way? Because of the wire? Not really. Because I was just back in DC like doing like whatever. Right. Yeah. Like I had a girl there. I was just comfortable. Right. And it wasn't until like one of my big bro's like, he used to train me. And I remember I went to the gym. And every day I see him, he'd be running on treadmill. And then like, you know, he'd be like, okay, cool. This we're going to do, you know, blah, blah, blah. And it was one day I had gone to the gym. And I was like, yo, what were you doing today? And he looked at me and said, what are you doing here? He was like, you want to end up like everybody here, bro? He's like, you got an opportunity to do something great. Yeah. And you're still here. Every time you wasted my time like, and he just like went on me. And I was like, yo, this is crazy. And I remember next time I went to the gym, I looked at him, I said, bro, I got a one-way ticket to LA. And then that was it. Because I had to be pushed out because I was so comfortable. Yeah. And I got, I just felt like, oh, this is safe. But like, you got to be, you got to jump out the plane. Yeah. Sometimes like, you got to make that. Yeah, you do. Yeah. You got to gamble on it all. So you get to LA. And what are your first movements? Do you, you get a place? You get a job? Like, how does that all go? But I was doing everything. Yeah. I was doing that. Every job. Katering had done it all. But everything, dog. I probably, I probably got it, everything. Like, but it was, it was just this thing. Like, it was like a group of homies. And we had had this house over in Echo Park. And we called it like the yellow mansion. And we were just like, film stuff there. And we would go, like, we would do our jobs here and there. Everybody had a different job. And then we would go, like, it'd be like two, three in the morning. And we'd be like, all right, cool. Let's film something. And this is before TikTok and before any of that. So like, we had, we were creating like TikTok type content before it even existed. And where would you put it? On YouTube. Oh, fine. Yeah. So we had like a web series that every, we would be up. We'd call it Monday, Wednesday, Friday. And we would just create these like 30 second little clips. It was just about this consistency. And we were like, bro, like, we weren't really seeing any money from it. We weren't seeing anything from it. But what we were getting from it was those reps. Yeah. And that idea that like, if you just keep at it, like, somebody's going to see it and take notice of what you're doing. Right. And so we just kept at it, kept at it. And then I started to like book commercials. And that's when I was like, but I was still do a little stuff here and there. But I remember like, I don't know commercials now. But like, I remember like people like, yo, the commercial game is where you get those residuals. And I was working a folding shirt somewhere. And I remember like, I had done a commercial. When I had a town and I came back and I opened up this check. And I was like, bro, I don't fold shirts no more. Yeah. Because I couldn't believe it. There's no money in it anymore. Bro, everybody's like, there's no money. I was like, bro, I was, I, what? I, you know who Bobby Lee is? Bobby Lee. Yeah. I think he said he throughout time he made $1.4 million on an IBM commercial. No, I'm telling you like, I promise you, I remember opening that check and I was like, talk. I'm about to do commercials for forever. Yeah. What up y'all? We're going to take a break from the episode. We're going to talk to you about our friends at Cash App. Me personally. Big Cash App guy. I love it. I use it all the time. It's so easy. It's literally the easiest way to send money to anybody. Turn up to speed already. Cash App is way more than just a safe way to spend and receive money. With the Cash App card, you unlock a ton of perks without all the hidden fees. You can enjoy benefits like exclusive early access to nationwide concert pre-sales like Kendrick Lamar and Sabrina Carman or just to name a couple. 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It was like a, like a, um, this like set of web series like called Dad Holes and I remember when it had like when we filmed it, um, my, you know, me Chrissy wrote it or whatever. And he was like, it blew up and I, but I, he was like, oh, it's on the front page of Reddit. And I was like, Reddit. I'm like, bro, is that like the feds? I didn't know it. I didn't know the, you know what I'm saying? It's so like, he's like, oh, it's going crazy. And so then, like, then managers started to reach out. And I got with my manager and I remember I had, and me and her are talking about like, you know, like I think like, because I've done co-star stuff and I was like, bro, this ain't really it. Like, I know that there's something bigger, um, and my agent at the time, I remember I still got the voicemail. But I remember she had called me and she was like, yo, you'll be lucky to go out three times a year. If you don't take co-star stuff, you messing up your whole career, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then I remember telling my manager that she was like, cool, time to let her go. And then that's when me and her just rocked and then that's when power came. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Does it mean, mean anything to you? This was what season two or three? This is one, bro. This was season one. Yeah. Nobody knew what power was. Like, that's the thing. That's like, might get it. Like, it's like, we're part of like something very special because it's created this universe. But it's like, when you were in that first season, it's kind of like, I know Mike understands it because it's like, you're part of something that you're like, bro, this is like, you, we had no idea what we're doing. Yeah. Cause I remember we're seeing it grow right, right? Cause we filming that like, and then when the audition came in, I remember it had asked for somebody like, bigger, whatever. And like, I just know, I know all my other homies, what I was just like, all right, cool, like, I was taken from them. I was like, cool. I'm doing this, this, this. And I remember when I did the tape, like, and I sent it to people, they were like, bro, this is crazy. But I didn't really process like, okay, like, I just did the tape, you know, and then when they were like, yo, you got it. And I remember when I went to set, and I remember the first day on set, I remember Courtney had said something. And I'm paraphrasing. But she was like, yo, I remember seeing your tape and being like, I had to keep watching that joint because it was like, it was cool. It felt cool. It was like, yo, like, I just, if you do the work, like, you just, you know, I'm saying, like, I don't really have expectations from it. Like if I know that I did it, how I wanted to do it, then like, it's going to be what it needs to be. You understand how that tape. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I got to see. No, it's crazy. It's, it's a fire. Is it anywhere? Anything? I got, I have those tapes. Like, I got the euphoria tape. I got like the tapes of like stuff that I had, but I don't really think about it like that because I'm just like, they just sit in the inbox, and I'm saying, but like, I got them. But I remember when we started filming it, it was so, because we're in New York and people, like, hey, like, what y'all filming, and we're like, yo, it was a show called Power and they're like, oh, that's what's up. Like nobody knows what we were doing. It's so funny. I joined, I did, like, what you did, I joined season five, like, the wire. Yeah. And when we were filming and walking around in Brooklyn and stuff like that, they're like, what's your film? We're filming power. No, crazy. 100%. No, it's like, it's a rock star in New York. Like, power is like a, and I love that it feels so New York because in New York, it takes it as theirs, so they love you like that. Like, you go around, I mean, I used to go places in New York, but they would keep restaurants open for me. Crazy. Like, it was, it was all, like, I remember when we, bro, it's not crazy, bro, you could look bummy, go somewhere where they got suits and ties on, and they're like, yo, you want to come and we got a table for you. And you're like, bro, I'm going to my hotel and they're like, bro, well, if you want to come back, just pull up. But it wasn't until, and I remember when we had, because it was speaking about what you were talking about with the magnitude of the character when they had to see the, what was that, Mike? The series, and at MSG, remember that joint, it was like, what was that? It was season six. No, I was seasoned. It was like the finale, right? Like, I think that was season five. Yeah, it was season five. You're right. It was five percent. I was tripping though. No, no, it was like the finale of it in MSG, because I wanted to go so bad it was filming in MSG. I was like, 50 had his own fucking son. Yes. Right. Right. Yeah. I remember I went, and I was one of my big brothers, and I forget who was hosting, but they were like, man, you know, talk about like characters that we miss and are no longer here. They said a name. They were like, oh, they said another name. They were like, yo, and they were like, oh, what about roller, man, that thing went so crazy in there. And it was just like this thing. I feel like it's a character that like, it just cut through because it felt very like authentic and genuine to like people who have been in that. And it was about like the how you presented and how you wanted to like sort of, I don't know, it was like a, it's just a character that cut through, bro. And it's like a, it's a, it's something that I'm so proud of and so, you know, happy to have been a part of because it was sort of the like a inaugural season of something that has now spans universes, you know what I'm saying? But I remember that scene. It's like, man, people still come up to me and like, I'm telling, I'm your friend. People quote me every day when they see me with that scene and you know, probably the best scene in the show. Bro, it's, it's cool. It's cool. You, Marie just, bro, I brought the, so the craziest story about that scene is that like our director, Aganesca Holland, she was, when she was filming it, right, we're doing the thing. And then like, after we had done like my coverage, I had got it because we had this little kitchen. And I got up, come over to the kitchen, I'm just sitting there like kind of thinking. And I see her walking towards me and I'm like, okay, cool. She got a note or whatever. And she like grabs me and like falls into my arms and she's crying. And she's like, yo, that's the most beautiful thing I've ever seen. And I remember Omar, and it was like a thing where the whole room was like. Quiet because it was like I think that was the moment that everybody we kind of felt like oh, this is like This is crazy, you know And it wasn't until it came out that I felt it because I was just in it But like it was after that that I think people were like Yo, this is like like he's he's gone like what you know I'm saying it was a thing where they try to figure out how to there's there's crazy stories about like Roller and power and like to sort of like Could there have been more after they found out because it happened in a way where they he he was killed After it was filmed. Yeah, so but then there I think when like the studio saw it I think they were like we'll hold on a second Really like are you are we sure about this? Yeah, you know saying cuz it's a it's a it's a I don't know It's a powerful character man. I mean there could be a prequel just about roller Yeah, man get some yeah get some young dude to to to do his thing on that you know me cuz I'd always said like The way I was like well if there was a way to bring them back in that scene like he's talking about like oh I want to go see I was visiting my brothers somewhere you know saying I was like what if he had like a crazy Jamaican twin brother that he was like And Jamaica's like I'm about to come back in New York and smart on bright, you know me like I was like oh that would be crazy Yeah, I'm saying I mean they're they're doing origins now I doing everything Imagine that there's not gonna be a roller that's gotta be a that's gonna be fun to see who they get to do that Yeah, yeah, what up y'all we're gonna take a break from the episode and we're gonna talk to you about our friends at Lucy Lucy is a hundred percent tobacco-free nicotine pouches made for true pouch connoisseurs Lucy pouches and Lucy breakers deliver a long lasting flavor for a super satisfying pouch experience The best part about Lucy is there is no vape involved when you want energy Focused or to be relaxed to slip in a pouch and you're golden Lucy pouches go up to 12 milligrams strength and have a unique shape that feels great pause Now Lucy breakers are nicotine pouches with a little surprise each pouch holds a hydrating capsule that you can crack with your teeth at any time Just to get that little extra burst of flavor now every other pouch is the same Lucy breakers are the only ones doing it differently to give you the longest last in flavor in every pouch Lucy is now in stores nationwide and you can even get Lucy delivered on apps like door-dash and go puff Lucy is the only pouch that delivers long lasting on-demand flavor and our listeners can get 20% off when you go online to Lucy dot-co slash crew and use the promo code crew now some of us are impatient So if you don't want to wait you could use their store located and find a Lucy near you and grab that today Michael here's the thing Lucy's going to give you an extra surprise that feels great And if you love things bursting in your mouth do the same pause brother and here comes the fine print Lucy products are only for adults of legal age and every customer is age verified warning This product contains nicotine and nicotine is an addictive chemical So make sure you go to Lucy dot-co slash crew and use the promo code crew for 20% off It really should be Lucy dot-co slash pause because that read was a little sauce But it's all good support the boys. Please go to Lucy. They love nicotine check them out Michael I'm gonna crack you with some Lucy for some extra flavor if you get what I'm saying When when you were filming that scene did you at that moment were you like powers gonna be a hit or again? You still didn't know not really because it's not I don't I don't ever try to look at something as if it's gonna be a hit Yeah, because I think that's always the the worst way to look at anything in this game I believe that awareness is the death of artistry Yeah, because if you're too aware like always just gonna be a hit like I'm losing my artistic integrity because I'm thinking about something That has nothing to do with where I actually am right now. So if I'm where I am right now I need to be placed in that moment and only think about that Yeah, you know, I mean let it come out because there's people who do stuff and They love it and they think it's the best thing they ever did and it's not a hit and then they're like oh man I guess it's no good. It's like why isn't no good just because it wasn't hit Yeah, and also what defines a hit getting something made is a hit Yeah, people don't make anything you go with you catch up with five of your homies and y'all record something man That's time spent that's energy given all of that stuff matters So that should be considered a hit, but we're so worried with and concerned with this idea of like how many people saw it What are my numbers? How what bro? This is like this is a lie. You're lying to yourself Yeah, and you're killing your artistry and I think that the the rebirth of artistry is gonna be less awareness of everything outside of the Artistic thing that we are trying to create. Yeah, dude. I fucking love that. Yeah, that's incredible. So yeah, you so when you got Did you get the call that you were you were dying or like how did you read the script? I don't that's a great question I don't remember how how I got the information. I don't know if it would I think I was supposed to be in four episodes Oh five episodes and I think that there was I don't remember how I found out about it, but I just remember being like all right cool like I'm about to do this thing with oh and do this You know I'm saying have this back and forth for him and and just really like, you know really get to like Give this character sort of this moment Of humanity that I think he deserved even though you were only with him for a short amount of time I did feel like that there was something that people were gonna be drawn to when it was this humanity And that's why I wanted to play it like that is that is really this person who I'd always envisioned that like he was 25 And he thought he'd be dead at 18 so everything after that it was extra credit So now he's not living in fear of anything because he's like at any moment This could be the because it's the life that he chose. Yeah, that's why there is no fear in that scene because it was like Bro, this was supposed to happen seven years ago. Yeah, you know me so like I guess it is what it is And if it's gonna be you I'm gonna look you in your eyes and tell you that you're wrong But I'm gonna fight you because you got to live with that not me. Dude, I think I think that I mean obviously what you brought to the character There's so many lightning in a bottle things on why it's only five episodes and people think he was on the show for years It's it's it's a combination and you can also add on and please a combination of How heartbreaking that death was like legitimately like everyone knew you weren't the guy But and you just were like like why the fuck are you you know to me a combination of your humanity that you showed in that scene How loyal that character was like it was I feel like it was just a lightning in a bottle of things and why is there anything else that you think Attributed to why the character became so big like that maybe the people don't know or man. I I don't know. I think everything is energy. Yeah, so I think that there was an energy that Channeled through Roller through me through to the people. Yeah um, and I think that you felt like there was more to him And I think also because people knew that he was actually set up They're like they you know, I mean like that's like it felt like because he him and Ghost were very close. That was like a you know, I mean like that was a brotherly bond that they had and so it had it felt like This is wrong. This felt it just felt like an injustice to people. Yeah, that that happened to him and you're like It he didn't deserve it. You know, I mean, I think and that that spoke to people Because I think it's a very human Emotion that everybody has felt at some point in their life where they felt done wrong by somebody But there's nothing that you can do about it. Yeah. Yeah. Did you watch the rest of the six seasons after? Not all of them. I don't I'm not a bit. I don't watch a lot of like I watch a lot of like old films and likes Up, you know what I mean? 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No. I don't care. It's Mike. You were so young. We never had, yeah, I was young. I was crazy to see that happen. Yeah, but yeah, we never we never had no, you know, we never had no scene. So yeah, probably always on set in opposite times. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's so crazy. Like, it's so many people on the show that like, I'm like, damn, like, I wish I could have had a chance to have at least a scene with us. 100% of these people, but yeah, how would you say, like, obviously, always hell intense to have as a scene partner. Like, his intensity and the scene, like, no matter what it is, like, it's, it's always turned up. So when you was working with him, what would you do to match the intensity? Or was it just like some natural shit where you, like, yeah, I was just ping ponging and it was just, you know. Man, it's like, I don't know. I think that like, and like, I don't, the intensity doesn't really like, I know what I'm there to do. And so like, I'm going to allow whatever he's doing in that scene to give me something to work from. But like, I don't ever look at the intensity as like a, like, I don't, I let it play out in the scene. Like, I don't let it play out anywhere else. Like, I remember we went, I went to his trailer. We ran it a couple times or whatever. But like, I think we were both like, let's just get in the room. Like, let's understand the space of the room. Let's understand like the air in the room. Let's understand all of these things that are also going to contribute to how it's going to be performed as opposed to like, oh, trying to be perfect with it like this. But like, yeah, he, yeah, I mean, and I've also just worked. I don't know like it's, I don't, I think it was a, you know, it was a joy to be able to do that with him, but also understanding that like, you know, I think that with acting, there is an inherent sort of idea about like, who is driving the scene. You know, and I think this is where a lot of actors trip themselves up because they're trying to figure out like, well, if I'm not driving the scene, well, what, what is my, you know, what, what, what am I doing here? Like, what is my emotion? What is the, what is the thing I'm doing in this scene? And I always think about it because I'm a sports fan, right? And so with every scene or anything that I do, I'm like, cool, we on the court. It's vibes on the court. Like, somebody got to be Michael Jordan, right? And that's cool. And if I'm trying to be Michael Jordan and you trying to be Michael Jordan, like, we about to lose this game. And so in that particular scene, it's like, yo, oh, it's Michael Jordan. Cool. So I'm about to be Dennis Rodman. I'm going to be Scottie Pippin because ultimately I'm trying to win a chip. And I think that's where a lot of actors are now. You get on these things where there's these, this like the button of the heads and all this and it's like, yeah, I could tell that y'all don't play team. You know what I'm playing sports, right? Because you're all trying to, you know what I mean? Like, we don't need five point guards. Yeah, like everybody can't be Jalen Brunson. Yeah, I mean, team captain, bro, like for real. It's like being able to find that. And then you are able to work from that. You know, so like, that's why every scene I understand, like, all right, cool. This is what this scene needs. And what am I going to do with it? Like, what, what am I going to add to it? But also like, make sure that you're giving your scene partner everything that they need to. Like, acting is not, it's a team sport. This isn't tennis. Like, we're literally playing basketball, we're playing football, we're soccer, we're not playing, you know, golf. You know, so you have to be able to understand, like, what is it that this scene requires? And what is it that my scene partner will need from me, but also like letting it flow, how it needs to flow without sort of messing up sort of the energy of whatever it could be. With thinking what you want it to be. Yeah, realistically, I don't even want to talk or make this about myself because it's so brilliant. Listen to you. But honestly, I think and power does a good job of this. I think that's why they kept me around for long. I was only one episode. And I think that's why they kept me around because I remember being there being like, it's not about you. We're here to serve the scene for three. I didn't know anything about the power universe, but I knew he is the son of the lead of the show. This is about his storyline. Now most people go there and try and make it about themselves and do that. And I think I always supplemented Michael's work. And I think that's why they also were like all these two together are great. It could easily have gone wrong where someone goes in. But think about it had you done it the other way, thinking it's about you. You would have been one episode. Of course. Right? Yeah. I feel like a lot of actors, they get into scenes, especially when it's a one-on-one scene. I hear a lot of people. I hear a lot of actors. They be like, it's like a competitive nature. It kind of turns up in those scenes. Like you said, it's a complete opposite for the competitive nature. I mean, I feel like it could be healthy for certain scenes. I'm saying like depending on what the characters, whatever the state, the characters might be in or whatever, but for the most part, like when you got a scene partner, like you said, if he's trying to be Jordan, you got to be Pippin or if you Jordan, you know what I'm saying, you got to let them be Pippin. Yeah, I think the competitive nature in acting, I think is for me personally, I just don't think it makes much sense. Yeah, I'm saying because if I'm competing with you, we're actually not like, what are we trying to do here? I think everybody want, I need a big monologue or there's a scene where, you know, y'all two are talking. I'm not saying anything, but I need to say something. It's like, why do I need to say something? I think sometimes also, unfortunately, the business already pits you up against the other actors. Because it's like, well, if I don't get enough screen time, am I going to book the next job? Sometimes I feel like that's where a lot of the rootedness can come from in my opinion, where it's like, oh, well, I need more screen time because then I want to know this and this and like, you could put the cart before the horse. But that's somebody, that's an insecurity and that somebody else's insecurity being placed on you that now becomes your insecurity. 100% And you have to be able to remove that to understand that like your insecurity cannot become mine. And I think that's the problem that I see a lot of actors have is trying to understand like, well, now like they've been told something by somebody that is not necessarily true, right? And then they believe that to be the gospel and then they're like, okay, well, it's like if you meet an actor and somebody's like, oh, how long did it take you to get where you are? And it's like, brother, like, you know, it took me one job, right? But it also could take you, it doesn't, my, my journey is not your journey, right? But I can tell you all the mistakes that I've made along the way. I can tell you all the bullets I took along the way. And if that can be of any use to you, then I hope it is. But I don't want to sit there and tell you that it's going to take you this long to become whatever you want to become. And I think that we are now in an age where, like, we're losing actors because everybody wants to be famous. Yes. You know, it's like everybody wants to be, it's like fame is like a toxic drug, you know what I mean? And they're putting it everywhere and people are drinking it up and eating it every day because they want to be famous. And I never wanted to be famous. Like I wanted to make art, you know what I mean? Like I wanted to like make videos and films with people that I love and do that. And so that's why I believe we're sort of losing sort of the greatness that was because everybody's chasing fame. Everybody's chasing money. Everybody's looking at that person. They drive that car. They got that thing. They got that. I need that. And it's like, you're not even talking, we're not even talking about acting anymore. It's like, oh, well, I went and I bought this today. I did that. And they're like, what'd you do? I said, I watched a dog day afternoon and read a book. Like I'm, I'm, they have the greats before us have left breadcrumbs for us to study from. And nobody's studying from them because everybody's so worried about like trying to be better than whoever they are, maybe sitting across. You're going to go to a trailer. Somebody's going to have a bigger trailer than you. I got to get to that trailer. You're going to pull up in your car, man, you got a nice car. And you pull up somebody got a nicer car. Oh, man, I got to get that car. I got, it's like we are, we have created a competition that does not exist. But it is all a reflection of insecurities that people have. And this is a very insecure industry. And it's, and it's sad because there's a lot of talent here that is just wasting away because they're trying to be famous. Yeah, I tell a lot of people if you want, there's being an actor and then there's being famous. And if you want to be famous, go on Love Island. Do the renegade on TikTok. This is because the nights that you're not booking the job, you're not getting it, you're having to cater and do the tables. If you don't truly love acting, it's not going to get you through it because there's so many people that are like, well, if I don't, if I don't make it in a year, then I'm just going to, it's like, yeah, it's so hard. You got a question is really a thing. No, no, it's everything. It's everything now, man. Do you remember any other scenes, like scene partners from Power that you loved or stuff that you worked with that was really just like a great memory or anything that sticks out to you? I do remember when we were, we were filming during like a polar vortex. And so like it was like, if you threw water in the air with freeze before it hit the ground, but we had like outside scenes. So there's a scene of like me, oh, and Joe and we're like talking and we're walking and talking. And it's like, you can't talk, but you've got to talk because we got to get this scene. And it was like, I mean, it was like, you know, if you look back on the scene, like, we're huddled up in those walks, but we're really like, you know, we're trying to survive. 'Cause it was so cold. - You remember what scene that was specifically? - It's the scene where ghosts and roller are walking, and then they go up to like a little bodega, and then that's when Tommy comes up, and then like, roller's talking and shit to Tommy, and Tommy's like, whatever, and then whatever, and then, but it was, and then I had another scene where I was in the car making a phone call, or whatever, and they couldn't turn the heat on because, I mean, we can't, because, you know, but I'm just like, pro, this is so crazy, bro. But again, like, I love it, you know what I mean? Because it's like-- - Yeah, I feel it in New York, there's nothing better. - No, no, it's the best, bro. I love New York, I love filming that. - So power happens, and then what comes after that? Do you feel like, okay, I got some fire credits, power's blowing up, does it help your career in a way, or are you still just chipping away at auditions and doing something? - So in my career, that's a good question. I don't know if it, how much it helped in the career, you know what I mean? Like, I don't really sort of, like, look at it like that, but I do know that I just started to get back to what, I don't even remember where certain things are in my resume. 'Cause I'm just there to do the work, right? Like, I don't really, like, I'm not like, oh well, this came after that. Like, I just know that I have been extremely blessed to do incredible, to be a part of incredible projects with incredible auditors, but I don't, I mean, I always do supporting stuff here and there, but I would always just pop up and stuff that would just, like, blow up, you know what I mean? Like, I would just end up in like a three billboards, and then it, Oscar, all these Oscar, you know what I mean? And then I would end up in like a berry that would be, you know what I mean? And then I would end up in, like, I would just end up in these spaces. - I mean, I mean, this might not be the right way to say this, but I mean, dude, you're such an unbelievable lack of a better term utility player that like, when you join something, you make it better. No matter what it is, like, and I truly believe there are a lot of actors like that, and there are a lot of actors on the flip side that when they join something, it gets canceled. It does do well, because they're not, they're for the right reason, they're, you know, they're going there to try, and then it just like, it doesn't feel right, but I always feel like, when you're in something, you just bring this different energy and authenticity to a lot of the roles that you do, and I think that's why, you know, it just, it always works out, like, three cohorts. It's like, well, I was like one of my favorite movies for a couple of years, a couple of years. - Yeah, I mean, what was that like? - It's incredible, man, Mark McDonald is, again, he's an Altur, and then Sammy Rock, Sammy Rock, what that's like a brother, Franny, Francis McDoneman, that's like family, like I just Caleb Landry Jones, like, these are like people that like are actively in my life that I love, and it was just an incredible experience to kind of get into a space where you're in, 'cause I wasn't even aware of like, Mark McDoneman's other stuff, when I got it, 'cause I got it on like a Friday, 'cause they were looking for that role, then I had to fly out the Asheville, like the next day, and I didn't even, I was watching this, 'cause I was like, oh, I'm doing Mark McDoneman, everybody's like, bro, you know, Mark McDoneman, I'm like, I don't know nothing. But then I remember watching all his stuff, and I was like, bro, he's too incredible. And then you meet him, and he's just like this incredibly, like, beautiful human being, who knows what he wants, and he's creating this sort of world with these people, and everything matters, and every word matters. Some of the best advice I've ever gotten was from him, from a writing standpoint, and I think, you know, being a part of something or that, of that magnitude, you do it, and you don't think about anything else. I do remember, though, when I filmed, I called my mom, and I was like, yo, mom, doing a movie. She was like, yeah, she hadn't known about the movie. I said, I'm just gonna let you know right now, that Sam Rockwell and Frances and McDoneman are both gonna win Oscars for this. She was like, really? I said, yeah. And I was in the conversation, then when it happened, she was like, yo, I was like, I'm telling you, I saw it. Like, I have been able to, it's like, when I saw Daniel in Judas, and I was like, oh, he's winning, this is an Oscar. He's winning this Oscar. He's not gonna like be nominated. He's winning the Oscar, 'cause there's certain performances that you see, and you're just like, yeah, that's, y'all ain't making something better than that. It's just not gonna happen. - Did that win Best Picture 2? It won all three? - What? - A three-bow word? - No, no, we lost to the shape of water. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I remember when we were sitting-- - Shot out of caviar. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - No, no, no, shit. - Yeah, but I remember we were like sitting, they brought us back right on the backstage, and they were like, yo, so when they say, y'all win, we're gonna open the door, y'all gonna run up on stage, and we was like, ready, and they was like, the shape of water, and we was like, y'all right. Shout out to the shape of water, you know what I'm saying? - Yeah. - Yeah, but it's a, I mean, it's look, man. It's a, like, just to be in the room is cool. - Of course. - And just to have made it, and even if it didn't get nominated for anything, it wouldn't make it any less of the film that it is today. - Of course. - You know, we put a lot of energy into, like, awards, and I think that some misplaced energy, because it's not, this is not, you're a better team than me. Like, I dropped 40 on you. Like, that's not how film works. - Right. - You know, it doesn't work like that. - And everyone have different tastes. - Everybody has different tastes, man, and there's a certain number of people who are voting on a thing that are expected to watch everything, but in reality, nobody can watch everything. So your movie could be great, or your show could be great, but are they really gonna watch it? - Right. - You know what I'm saying? Like, it's sort of, so I don't, you know, I never put too much stock in awards, and I've won some, you know what I mean? But it was, you know, it wasn't like I was like, oh man, like, changed everything for me, you know what I'm saying? - So again, after three billboards comes out, do you feel more doors opening up? Like, are you being able to maybe pick something a little more, be a little bit more picky about what you wanna do? - I've always been picky about what I, even when I had $2 to my name, I was picky about what I was doing, because I was always, I always think about like, my future children, and I'm like, what am I gonna show them, and are they gonna be proud of what I did? You know, what would my mom think? What would like the people that I love thinking? So I'm always, I've always been picky. I've been given the opportunity to be a part of some things that would have paid me a lot of money, and I was just like, it's not for me, because it just doesn't speak to me, and I also have a firm understanding that like, I never wanna take a job just because, because there is somebody who would love to do that job, and I'm stepping in their way, you know? Like, I don't, it's the same thing when you get those first day on set, and you get those butterflies, and it's like, the minute that I stop having those butterflies, I'm gonna stop acting, because it means I don't love it anymore, you know? And I wanna make sure that every time I am there, like, I love it, because if I don't love it, I am taking a job away from somebody who will love it, and it should be their turn, not mine. - Yes, I 100% agree with that, too, this is fine. - I love the way he speaks about this shit, but like, I could tell, like, you really love this shit, and I wanted to ask, like, what was it? Like, what sparked your love for the art as a whole? Like, did it happen when you were a kid? Did it happen, like, a little bit later on in life was it the project that you saw? What was it? - You know, I was a bad kid, like, I was really bad, and I remember, like, people in the family was like, bro, you're gonna be, you know, dead or in jail, are two options for you, you know what I'm saying? Because I was just a bad kid, and I didn't really have, I was a little bit directionless, and it wasn't, it has nothing to do with my mom, come from a beautiful, I was a beautiful family, all this stuff, but I was drawn to things in places that just spoke to me more than, like, whatever was around for me. And I remember trying, like, but I would always entertain people, like, I would get out of trouble by, like, doing something, like, you know what I mean? Like, I was always funny, or whatever, do thing, and then, I was, didn't, but I never really thought of it as, like, a profession, 'cause I was like, oh yeah, like, I watch movies, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, I remember seeing, like, Will Smith and Independence Day, and like, I remember, I like the best Will Smith story, actually, because my mother was a journalist, and the first time, like, when Fresh Prince, I was a kid, and she, I had this sword that made, like, a noise every time you hit something, and she took me to an interview that she was doing for Will Smith, and this is like, before he was Will Smith, like, you know, he was still to Fresh Prince, and he saw this sword that I had, and he said, yo, can I, like, can I see that sword? And then, like, he, you know, he's going around the office, whacking people, making jokes, doing all this stuff, or whatever, and I, and he gave me the, after the interview, he gives me the sword back, or whatever, and I get in the car, and my mom looks at me, and she's like, that guy's gonna be the biggest movie star in the world, she, and I'm a kid, I'm like, all right, but she was like, yeah, 'cause I don't even know what that meant, you know what I mean? But she saw, she was like, there's this, and he was like, probably the first person that I was like, oh, I think I want to pursue it, because like, he kind of looked like me, got big ears, same skin, you know what I mean? He could be goofy, but he could do the thing, he could do, and I was like, oh, I think like, I could actually pursue it, but I never did, you know what I'm saying? And I think that for me, when that, I would go to class, theater class and all this and I would try to like the only thing I knew the only well I knew to drink from was authenticity you know and so it was never this idea of like a sort a certain technique or this or that it was just like what are my life experiences that I can draw from and I found like in theater and in the arts I was like oh this is a this is a like a beautiful moment to be able to draw from these experiences and and get to play and see what happens with that and I think that was when I was sort of like oh like you know I'll try the thing you know saying but it wasn't until I got the audition for the wire that I was like oh like I guess this could this could be a job so when you saw that it could be a job like when the wire happened were you supported like does did your parents support that or like did you even tell them before that you were going to oh no absolutely they supported me yeah yeah because I yeah I mean I was doing some bad things in school you know I mean and I was not I was yeah I was getting caught up in stuff that could go left real quick and they you know but they've always been supportive of like the pursuit of whatever makes us happy you know my parents are journalists you know I mean my mother's an award-winning writer so it was my pops like they they are artists so I come from a family of artists you know my brothers are writer so it was always gonna be something that they supported when lose a draw you know I'm saying because like they knew like whatever makes our kids happy like you know we want them to to be able to pursue that you know in a real way once the wire and then power came out like obviously the big scene we were talking about did they have that like like was there ever a moment they're like wow like you're fucking good like did they ever give you that or not that you need it or but I'm just curious because I've I've had that moment with my parents where they were like like because they just think I'm some you know I'm I'm done this that this like some scenes like yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah um bro I don't I think that they knew off the rip like I'm just I'm just different you know I'm saying like I think that like I'm very like I knew before he knew yeah yeah like they did like I think that they were just like and I would do certain tapes and things and and I think that people would like I remember I did a film called just mercy with Michael B Jordan destined Daniel Kretten and I remember I had there's like there's like I have like two scenes and there's the scene where I'm and this is based on a true story you know that means very like and and I had had who I was playing I had probably like a 13-second clip and I was watching watch it watch it and I remember I did this scene and I remember my brother saw it and I remember him calling me he'd be like dog like you really are like like great you know what I mean and I remember that being the first like one of the first times where like he always knew but I think like it was almost like you know you got you they want you to earn it you know I'm saying and I think like I have like I've since earned it in a way where it's like brother you just I don't know but like I don't I don't like like I never I'm trying to talk about bad about the idea of of acting but like I think again it's about that awareness like I've stripped myself of awareness so it allows me to just be present yeah you know what I mean so like I don't think about like oh it like do I look like what you know this because now I've dropped out of the scene like I always say that there's this 10-minute rule that I've come up with right so before I get a any job I call the 10 minutes right yeah yes yes the 10 minutes right and so what I do is I extensively work through the five minutes before you see my character on screen in the five minutes after that you don't see my character again and I those in those 10 minutes if I work those 10 minutes to exhaustion everything else is so easy and I'm working on the stuff that nobody's seeing right so that's why when I come to set I always say like every time I come you could throw anything at me I've been thrown when we on the city we had like a weather situation and they were like yo you're gonna have like 15 pages to do tomorrow like are you good and I'm like bro run it like I'm I you know I mean because I always say like I get to every set up 50 at halftime so basically what I'm saying is that like you could go on a 30-oh run I'm still up a double on you there's nothing you're going to do I'm gonna win that game every time because I'm up 50 at halftime you not beat me and so if I have that mindset I can be like I could be in a scene and do something crazy and then but you know man how you doing man like I don't you know because I'm I'm I'm never I've already worked it you know me because I know the five minutes before you saw my character in the five minutes after you saw my character that's where the real character lives you know and it's the same thing I tell I was talking to somebody the other day they were like what's the first thing that you do that you would tell a actor if they get sides I say get up go outside walk around a block then on your second walk around the block open up the sides and start reading and the reason I say that is because like people actors are not working on how their character walks and how your character walks informs everything else they're like how do I speak how do I look how do I do this walk around the block with your character then do on the second walk around open up your size and start to read here like you I'm walking differently I'm walking in their body I'm feeling myself in here like this is this the way I walk all that stuff if you work on your characters walk your character is going to be found so much easier than me like what's the voice you're gonna find the voice through your walk if if you think about your favorite movie your favorite television show whatever it is think about it if you go and watch it right now anybody what they're gonna watch it I promise you're gonna be like you're gonna watch your favorite actor and you can be like they got a walk they have a specific walk and the actors you're like man that's so great like an everybody says it's so great you might be like I don't really know if I love it and you're gonna go watch it but they don't got no walk yeah there's no walk you know what I mean it's like find your walk and then you find your voice don't look for your voice to find your walk how you move yeah I think Mike I think you and I lock it during the scenes but now we got to do a five and five yeah I'm telling you boy you do have five and five and that's what I'm saying Mike you about to you about to do your new joint right and it's like just because because we know who Tareek is we don't know who he is now right and this is the opportunity for you to really be like now like took because Tareek just like anybody else grows right right everything changes you don't know bro Tareek could have been something could have happened that like he could have torn his ACL right and now he walks a little bit different nobody needs to know that right but it's just something that you have developed within the character that you're like oh like that's not for y'all to know but it doesn't matter because now I'm like damn Tareek's kind of like that right but not even me think I'm just like oh it's like you I'm see there's just work that is being done that is not for everybody to know the work that you're doing you know me I think as actors we're trying to show people how great we are you know me which again is an insecurity because if you have to show somebody how great you are how great are you actually yeah you're gonna be um how how do you approach do you approach additions like that like yeah yeah absolutely if I get an audition I don't read I will not read any any sides for the audition until I've gotten up and walked around the block twice no matter what it is like I got to walk around with it and then I'll open it up and then I'll start reading it and in that reading I've now found the character because I know how the character moves yeah like how people move are very telling because if somebody walks into if somebody walks into this room right now right we're gonna notice how they walk before they open their mouth and how they walk is gonna be telling of who they might be right because you're gonna have an idea who they are I'll have one might go have one and they all might be different one of them might be wrong they all could be wrong but the fact that we thought about it is telling us something about the character of that person as opposed to them opening their mouth and being like telling me who they are you know that's why instead of trying to find everybody wants a monologue I want this I want that it's like bro how do you move in the body of your character yeah dude that's crazy I feel like we should be paying on this answer work yeah that's what I love but that's what I love passing this game to y'all bro because y'all are honored you know I mean it's like I I a lot of people didn't pass no game to me right you know me and so it's like I think that we're trying to be gatekeepers and it's like bro what do you gatekeeping yeah you I'm saying like they're gonna be great right you know me and so like what do you what are you trying again it all goes back to these people these insecurities that they have I always tell anybody who's coming up or wherever they are in the game I'm like bro if you got a question hit me you I'm saying like I give this act oh man I think I'm like pool let's talk you I'm saying because I I see the the greats who have done it you know for me like people like Daniel I don't soak up so much game from Daniel because that's my brother and it's like I'm looking at what he oh cool I have cool he hits me with something cool like it's are we trying to build a community that is sustainable right because like acting in the arts is a is a community and right now it feels like it's it's little the infrastructure of it feels like it's shaking you know and I in the only way that I think that we are able to firm up that infrastructure is with community and we don't have community because everybody's trying to be better than whoever they think they're trying to be better than and it's like bro like it's who have you spoke to yourself in the mirror today yeah I speak to myself every morning in the mirror you know what I mean so like once I'm in the world like there is no other expectation than one that I've had with myself and with God. Yeah, that's yeah. I get a big audition, son, I'm gonna have to give you a big one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, bro, I got you. I'm serious, it's in the inbox, it's my biggest audition. I got you, bro. So let's get into some euphoria stuff. I just, I love talking to you dude. Yeah, seriously, it's, it's awesome. But, um, Nijay texted a question, it's so funny. Um, but actually, let's, let's go and so, it was a tape. It was a self tape or did you go in for it? Yeah, the self tape. Yeah, I read for Alamo Brown. Yeah. And then I had, also you read for Alamo at first. I did. Yeah. I read for Alamo and I had just come off of my movie that I had wrote and started. And we had had this long, crazy sort of path of trying to get people to see it. Because it's a love story. It's two black people. And then it was like every, you know, we were getting door. I took me seven years to get this movie made. What's it called? She taught love. She taught love. Everybody go watch. She taught love. I promise you. Where were they? It's on Hulu. And if you got a pirate it, do that too. I don't care. Like it's about people seeing it. And it's an award-winning film. And it's, and it's a beautiful film. And it will stand the test of time. I promise you that. Um, but it was a thing when we were trying. I'm telling you, I watch it. I promise you, man, you're going to be like, oh, this is like, yeah. Um, but it, but I, it was such a marathon. I'm trying to get people to see it. And we're flying over here talking to the, and just like fighting for this little film. Uh, and it felt like, um, it just felt, I felt so beat up, you know, myself along with our, our incredible director Nate Edwards and our, I mean, astronomically good lead or semi-times. We were, I mean, we were just boots on the ground every day, fighting every day, trying to get people in, and, and I had just felt like I didn't want to act for a little bit. I was like, man, I just needed like chill out because I'm like burnt out. Um, and then the, uh, you four, your audition came. And I remember thinking you four, yeah, I was like, what am I, I don't think I'm high school. I'm like, I'm about to be a janitor in this joint. I'm like, I didn't, I couldn't figure it out. And then, but then they're like, always a five year time jump, whatever. And so I'm like, all right. I almost didn't do it, but I, I looked at it as like, you know what? It's just exercise. Yeah. Sexesize. I'm gonna go to the gym. I'm gonna put up some weights. You know, I'm saying cool. Leave the rest. Yeah, just the reps. And so I do the audition. And then I don't hear anything for a little bit. And then, um, they get a call and they're like, yo, like, you know, Sam loved you. He wants to, you know, do a zoom. I'm like, all right, cool. So we do the zoom or whatever. And I'm like, all right, it was cool. And then it was like two, three months past or whatever. And I remember, I'm like, I had kind of forgot about it because I just sat out of mine. And then they were like, yo, I mean, I was like, why? And they were like, yo, Sam, like, you know, didn't think you were too young for the character of Alamo Brown. But he loved you so much that he wants to sort of like give you this other role. And I was like, all right. Like, you know, cool. Like I was like, all right, let's do it. Because I didn't want to. But I'm always like, all right, God is telling me that like, there's something special here. Like I got to, I got to, you know, I got to honor that. Um, so, um, you know, we get the, I remember when the first time I had had a conversation with Sam, I had had some questions or had ideas about the character. Um, but also understanding, I never want to, you know, like come to a set and be like, well, this is what I want to do, right? No, that's corny. But I was like, look, I, because there was not really a character, there we were sort of developing the character together and sort of how he would move and look and all this. And I remember I was like, I just like, before I'd even like got to that point, I was like, I had an idea of how I wanted to play him. I was like, oh, this is a world for the cowboys, right? And I was like, what about a character who is a ninja in a world for the cowboys? He's a samurai. So I started studying samurai's and, you know, uh, monks. And I started watching a lot of cartoons because I talk a lot about how in cartoons, like, if like, you know, I've said this before, the Simpsons, if it's Homer, Bart, Lisa, Marge, Maggie, all in a scene, if only one of them's talking, are you, have you ever paid attention to the other four in the scene? And how are they? What are their bodies doing, right? And you think, oh, it's cartoons, but still they're still active in the scene. And I was like, I want to be able to do that. And then I had these, but I just had ideas and everyone I gave to him. He was like, bro, I love it. I love it. And I was like, oh, I fuck with this dude because he really wants to make something, you know, incredible. And he's already made something incredible. But he is building this universe with these new people dropping in. And because the show's so big, he has every right to just be like, nah, this is what it is. But he never said that to anything. He's a best ideas, the best idea wins type of creator, uh, writer, director, creator. And I just think, that's why I fuck with him so hard because of that. Not to go back to the power stuff, but I'm also curious, did you do the same thing with Roller to Courtney? Did you come to set with that? I think, I think I kind of just sort of played with sort of what had happened in the, in the tape. And about like, I just really figured, I just thought of Roller as being very measured. Again, like I was saying, if somebody outlives the expiration date, like, there's sort of two ways to play it. There's like, I'm outside, blah, blah, blah. And then the person was like, very sort of like, wow, this is, you know what I mean? Like, this is crazy. Yeah, I was just curious if you did. I mean, I always try to bring something. I'm never gonna come and not have something. But yeah, with Roller, there was a little bit of that. And then with Bishop, there was a lot of that. And I think, you know, it's a testament to Sam because I was only supposed to be in like a couple episodes. And I remember, I had asked him about that because on our first day, like, I was doing this thing where, like, I was just like very still. It was, I was like, yo, I was gonna be a samurai. Like, I was talking about how like, I made sure that my rest and heart rate was never over 65. It was never above it, never below it, every scene. So like, the whole time I could just sit there and be so still and they're like, yo, so still, I could just feel mine. I'm like, yeah, I'm still there because I knew, I had trained my body to be in a space where like anything could happen. Something could fall in that room. And I would just still be in this sort of like meditative state. And it's sort of, some of that is a byproduct of like, I meditate every day. Like, I've literally meditated every day for six years. And so being in that space, it allows me to see past whatever I think I'm looking at, you know, and that is where I find the magic. And so with Bishop, I did a lot of that. And then I remember Sam was like, bro, that I need more of that. Like, you know, and he just, and he just kept writing. And that's what the character just kept building and building and building and building. And it's just, you know, I love that character so much, you know, because it is a very unique character, but it does live in that world of, of like, Javier Bardem and no country for old man. Like, I studied, I watched him. That was because it's about how present can you be if you're not saying anything? Like, what does that look like? You know, like, because if a room is always, always like to think about like, if everybody gets silent in a room, like the only thing that we're probably going to be hearing is like people's heartbeats. And the person's heart beat that's too fast is the person that I don't trust. And so like, I'm like, this is a person who keeps his heartbeat in a certain space where I'm like, oh, okay, cool. Like, you're never going to be able to read anything on me, but I could read you, you, you, and everybody else in here. Me on Adderall over here, like, I'm just kidding. I'm just trying to make it okay. No, that's, but that's the thing. It's like, I'm, I'm, and so it's a fascinating character to be able to play. And I think that it, it, it resonated in such a, a visceral way. And I love that. I love it so much because it was, it was a risk that I, that I took from, from an acting standpoint in the sense that it was either going to be a Grand Slam to win the World Series or like, I was going to strike out, you know what I mean? And, and everybody was going to hate me in the city. And it was a Grand Slam to win the World Series. And it's like, bro, like that's, um, you know, again, bro, like, I'm just a vessel. Bro, this is all God. And so, um, you know, it, it's, uh, it's just another juggernaut of a show. It is the biggest show. I mean, globally, it's just, it's, it doesn't, it actually doesn't play by the rules of normal television. Yeah. It actually plays like a film because what Sam has created is something that like, I mean, if you look at the numbers of people who are watching it, it is global. Like a lot of shows are like, I, you know, there's a lot of TV that doesn't have a passport. Like before, it's just stamped. Yeah. I mean, and so that's a different you're, you're, you know, you, you want to make sure you're doing right by it. You know, like, I wasn't going to come to set and not be overly prepared to do what I did. You know, who are some of your favorite team partners over there? Oh, man, all of them, dog. Like Z-Day, like Z, that's like, that's like little sis, bro. Um, she's phenomenal, man. She's, she's just so good as ruined. She's so like, there's just like a fluidity with which she moves in that character that you're just like, bro, nobody else could do that. Like, you could get 100,000 people to audition for rule. And you'd be like, it's always going to be hurt. Um, um, um, Martian, that's my brother, man. I love it. That's my brother, man. Like, and watching his growth As an actor throughout the season man made me feel so proud and like I just so happy because I'm like, you know I think a lot of athletes have this idea of like oh, I'm about to I want to be in you know an actor And it's like but they don't put in the work because it's like oh, I'm famous like already But he was like now. I want to learn. He's a sponge I mean, I mean everybody over there. You know, I worked a lot with with with Zito like you know We have a lot of scenes together And so like I you know me and her got close and like she's such a dope as scene partner man because she's gonna give you The same thing you give her, you know sometimes people in that position You know, it could be not their coverage and then they're just kind of like She's gonna give you the same thing that she gave you when it was her coverage And so like I I enjoyed working with everybody over there, bro Like I really loved that set. I loved working on it like I loved like How Sam would direct and how he just like how he saw characters and like his intentionality And in his attention to detail I Loved it, bro. I really did. I like that you said that they don't play by the rules of TV because it generally feel like I'm watching the movie No, it's crazy, bro No, 100% it's like it's like I mean dope. I think it was co that created a new stock of film just for this season Like it's up. That's never been done. We shot like I and two million Feed a film. It's like it just hasn't been done. It is a movie, you know, and it is one of those things that like 10 15 years from now I think people will look back on this particular season and be like, bro, that was like Revolutionary in terms of like how TV is is digested and I think it can be hard sometimes to To digest it because you're like this is like I'm I feel like I'm supposed to be watching TV But I'm actually watching a movie like it plays better on big screens than it does on a TV screen or a computer or a phone Yeah, you know, it's it forces you to really be present And that's my favorite kind of Television and film is the is the kind that makes you because now we are battling something else as Creators is that like people's attention spans right so people are watching something But they're watching their phone and then they'll say like you know, that's crazy This character didn't do this this and this and it's like no they actually did, but you were looking at your phone You missed it, you know, I mean so then somebody's like no, they did you like oh, how did I miss that? It's like because you were in your phone. Yeah, you know, so we are now battling sort of like how do we sort of snatch the attention span of Of the audience in a way that makes them feel like they are a part of something they're not being preached to Being yelled at but just making them feel like they have to be a part of it And I think that's sort of the magic trick that that people are trying to find and you for you figured that out You know like because people man they The discourse around the show is is Incredible and I love to see it because it's like love it hate whatever they feel like There will be 10 to 15 years. I think people won't be like brought that season to television was With some revolutionary shit. Yeah, I know I even feel like sometimes I'm like I'll watch something and I'll kind of Be doing stuff for work or you know, whatever and then I'm like I didn't really like it that much and everyone be talking about I'm like why don't I like it and I'll go back and watch I'm like this is fucking amazing. I'm like I didn't lock in Yeah, I just you got to put the phone away and just enjoy something. It's hard to tell people to do that because We're trying to man. I mean, I don't even Yeah, it's too much man. It's like so you're like I want to be the first one to post a something about the show and it's like you didn't even It's like the it's like the like it's like somebody who listens to an album and then right after they've done with it They're like just the best album I ever heard in my life or it's the worst one and it's like bro You didn't even digest the music, you know I mean like it used to be a thing where reviewers would watch a movie or or listen to an album and then they would take two to three days And just sit on it, you know, because like you got to think we are human beings and there are emotions tied to it So emotionally what you might have listened to the album at us at us time when it just didn't it like that right but then two three days later You're like oh, I feel and you look and it sounds like a different album, but your review is already out So you already told me that you hate it so you got to you got to stand 10 toes on that because a lot of people aren't willing to admit that They were wrong initially like I haven't even listened to it like I haven't I haven't listened to anything though recently But I just been brought if you look at my playlist, bro. It's like meditation music. Oh like I'm just like I'm just so locked in Like I like to listen to stuff once people have stopped talking about it Yeah, because then I can actually have my own opinion of it Yeah, like I don't want people to be like yo, you got it every time somebody said you got to listen to that joint I'm like cool. I'll listen to it in a month. Yeah. Oh man That's the worst I'm ever heard in the world cool. I'll listen to it in a month because I don't like that energy is a little too hot for me You're not actually like you're you're trying to be a part of a conversation. You're not actually trying to create one within yourself You know, I mean, and that's what I'm trying to do with artists like I want to create the conversation within myself Well, I love the movie going experience as opposed to sitting on our phones like, you know You go to a movie theater and you walk at the movie theater my favorite thing is always seeing different pockets of people talking about that And then you're like, yo, what'd you you know, I mean like that's community and we're losing community because we're watching it all By ourselves and we're mistaking the idea that our phones are community And they are the furthest thing from community. Yeah, but it makes us feel like we're a part of a community And that is where art goes to die Yeah, dude, that's It's unbelievable. This is one of our best episodes. I think Did you ever chop it up with 50 or have you since like what and did you have scenes with him? I don't really know I never I never met him Never met him Yeah, never met him. Yeah, that's wow. Yeah, I know you're probably near that but like definitely that has to add Yeah, no, never met him because he was the care. He's no, he's the one who yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I never met a man, but like it's it's amazing to see what they did with with that You know what I mean? It's like it is stars like that the whole network. Yeah, y'all are the y'all are the network You know what I'm saying and it's like shout out to y'all too, man like you know I mean, I think it's important that like y'all get y'all flowers too, man because it's a it's a it's a beautiful thing to see The next generation like really take ownership, but I want y'all I hope y'all really Understand the power of that and I'm not even no pun intended, but like like carry it that way bro because it's like You think who you think is watching you isn't and who is watching you is actually more important in that and so like That's the thing that like you can get caught up in like oh this and that is like but not man like I know y'all got good hearts Like I know y'all got good and I can feel it You know what I mean? And it's like I hope y'all are really taking the heart sort of the positions that y'all been placed in And like giving you know what I mean like honoring that every day because it's important You know what I mean? And there are people that are watching you that are like you know Because it's it's it look it is not about The power universe because whenever that does end y'all still have careers to to to to attend to yeah You know, I mean and so it's about how are y'all showing up for that version of yourself Well also being present where you aren't that but understanding that everything is Leading to something else, you know, I mean and so like the lights will turn off on power at some point But y'all light is gonna be brighter. Yeah, I mean, but don't let anything dim that you know I mean and sometimes outside forces can can try to dim that and so it's important that y'all stay with those bright lights Because I promise y'all y'all got it But don't let nobody take that from you but understand the power that that y'all have with it and Really do the right thing with it. Don't don't do the wrong thing. Dude, I appreciate that. Thank you so much So next or do you have something in the pipeline you just you just showing out and also I want to ask a question real quick When you was when you were explaining your process with, you know Speaking with Sam and letting him and him letting you you know bring ideas to to the character bishop And how you said you love the character a lot like would was that would you say that's one of your favorite characters? You've played like during your during your yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I love that character because it was such a It was such a departure from anything I've ever done before and he also gave me the runway to Take the plane off and land a plane. How I wanted it to happen And I think that you know the way that he writes is is so brilliant and I think that you know I'm forever grateful to him for sort of building The character the way that he did, you know, because I think it's so fun I think it's such a unique character. I think it's one of the most unique characters that like I always say like Yeah, if I if I saw that I'd be like bro, what is that? What is he doing? Yeah, what was me when I said I'm like yo, I'm like, what is this like what is Because like how you said like he's in the world for the Cowboys But you wanted to also be he wanted to be like a samurai and like when you was explaining that I was I was Resilizing now. I'm like, you know, that's literally the character. I'm I'm looking at the character like right now Yeah, and he was going over a wash. That's what he was doing But that's the thing it wasn't he didn't he never tried to steer me one way He trusts his actors, you know what I mean? Trusting his performers is how you get performances like that because it's like bro I I know if I give you this thing like you know what to do with it You know what I mean? So you can write a monologue on a Sunday and be like we know she don't on Monday or whatever and it's like yeah Like I know because he knows you I'm saying and so like being able to play that bro is like I it's I love that character, bro. I love it. We have one more question from me. Yeah, the best We have one more question from DJ who works in the podcast Yeah, she loves the show she said on the season finale Bishop betrayed Alamo I mean him get killed by Ali at what point did Bishop turn against Alamo because fans who watch never saw coming please ask ask because as a watcher I'd like to know this as well DJ, um, I think that like if you watch the show again. There's a lot of Sort of hints at somebody who was watching someone in power spiral out of control And you can see it with Alamo that there's these, you know, there's sort of like the weaknesses in the armor that start to present themselves And I think for somebody like Bishop, it's about like How many how many more people are going to be hurt before it eventually becomes me, you know, and I think with the The the lacing of the fentanyl The you know with with Roo I for me I was always the idea that like that's a bridge too far Yeah, you know no matter all the crazy stuff that they have done like I think that it was like you you It I'd always inter like it's like that's something that you don't and I'm watching you do that now like you're now You've become too dangerous. Yeah, and if you continue on you'll be too powerful and we know that with too much power In in too much danger like you are literally like in sort of the depths of like like World destruction, you know what I mean? Yeah, we know it's like yeah So you got a and that's a thing is like you and it's and it's sort of like you bishop always was Three four steps ahead of everybody, you know So it's like and then seeing Maddie and being like like Nah, bro like you ain't about to do that like I like you're you're a dangerous person And I think that some of the you know people have done terrible things. I think a lot of this for bishop is about You know redemption and forgiveness and that's the whole may God have mercy You know that means speaking to himself, you know, it's like bro I've done a lot of bad foul shit, but like you know, I mean like may God have mercy for all that I've done You know, I mean, but like it stops here, you know, and and that sort of where I Had sort of run within my mind about the idea of betrayal of betraying Alamo because it's like he was he was losing his his mind and we're watching it And if you watch the show back you're like there's a million different moments where you're like oh, this dude is out of control Yeah, and at some point like that gun is gonna turn on the bishop and it's like it ain't gonna happen big dog Yeah, dude, I can't believe it. We finally had Darrell in the building broke. Thank you so much for pulling up Anytime you have anything coming out, we would love to talk to you just absolutely want to hit us up I want to come chop it up any time would love to have you broke Plug anything that you have Obviously the film it's called yeah, she taught love everybody go watch that I promise you like You know if you don't like it, I'll stop acting, but I know that they don't have so go watch that I promise you It's a good date movie. It's a good anything movie, man. It's gonna touch your heart. It's gonna make you feel something It's for everybody and I promise you like it's one of them ones and like yeah Hell yeah, you for yeah, obviously if you walked this episode There were some spoilers um and and your Instagram is Chip Sheridan. Yeah, that's like CHIP S.H.E.R. I D.A.N. Oh, yeah, well I'm on there, but Michael give us one Come on man, we had to go honestly after speaking with this man, bro No, no, honestly like I just speak with this man, bro. Like this dude is really a legend From this episode it all makes it and that's and I mean it to you ever want to hit me up like I'm through I'm here for you Like yeah, we're going to the next game on Saturday. Yeah, yeah, I got a lock it on Sunday. I'm a good girl, man. I got your room Give us one mic. You got it. You got to give it to us The crew has it you have it. We had to go Free game free game Darryl Yeah That's one to the airport by breakfast