47: Dark Sexual Fantasies, Terrifying Family Secrets & a Case That SHOOK The UK | Becky Watts

♪ ♪ Hey, service, how can I help? Um, it appears my daughter's gone missing. ♪ ♪ When you know somebody, you know that they-- and you know they wouldn't do this, you know that there's something wrong. ♪ ♪ I don't know where she is, and we need to find her, and we need to find her fast. ♪ ♪ The reason I've come here is to make an arrest of yourself, okay? ♪ ♪ What can you tonight tell us about Becky's disappearance? Eight days after 16-year-old Becky Watts vanished, police arrived at a small garden shed behind a home in Bristol, England. Now, by then, her disappearance had gripped the entire country. Her face was everywhere. Thousands of people had also joined in on the search. The hashtag "FindBecky," it completely spread like wildfire across social media. Reaching millions around the world. And despite growing fears for her safety, many still believed that Becky was alive. I mean, after all, she was a teenager. 16 years old. She had struggled with anxiety. She had run away before. And investigators were even making public appeals directly to Becky, as though she might be watching from somewhere, just choosing, by her own volition, not to come home. Maybe she was staying with a friend. Maybe she just needed space. Maybe she was upset and just wanted to be left the heck alone. But then, detectives opened the shed. And in an instant, every theory about Becky running away just vanished. And what investigators uncovered next was even more disturbing. Not because a stranger had targeted her, not because some unknown predator had been lurking in the shadows, but because the person that they would ultimately accuse of doing this to her, of doing this to Becky, it was someone that Becky had known her entire life, someone who had been a part of her family for years. And then came the explanation, a kidnapping that was never supposed to be real, a prank, a scare tactic, a plan that apparently spiraled into something horrific. All an accident. It all just spiraled out of control. But was that the truth? Or was that just the cover story? Hey guys, I'm Annie Elise. Welcome back to an all new episode of "10 to Life." Do your thing, hit that like button, subscribe, follow on the podcast, all of the things, and let's jump right into it. I'm Annie Elise, and this is "10 to Life." I'm your host, Annie Elise. I'm your host, Annie Elise. And I'm your host, Annie Elise. mental health as one of their specialties, I have to say, they really failed her. For starters, they never even spoke to Becky alone. Nobody sat down with her privately to find out what was really going on with her or how she was feeling, what was happening in her life, which if a child is dealing with abuse, neglect, bullying, fear, or simply, I don't know, feeling misunderstood, then they need an opportunity to speak freely without worrying about disappointing their parents or the fear of getting in trouble or being judged. I mean, without that, you're often not getting the full picture. You're only getting what they want the parents to see, right? Because you're having these conversations in front of your parents. Now, I'm not suggesting that Darren or Angie were doing anything wrong in all of this or that they were doing anything wrong at home. But the point is, Becky was never given the opportunity to speak for herself privately. And that is a significant, significant oversight. So the initial report that this organization created, it described Becky as controlling and lacking aspirations, which remember, we are talking about a 13-year-old child here. To me, that feels pretty harsh. A lot of 13-year-olds are misguided or don't have clear-cut aspirations. The organization, though, also completely failed to put any plan in place for therapy, medication, or continued treatment. So they never even got to the root of why Becky was terrified of school, afraid to leave the house, or constantly arguing with her parents. Instead, the conclusion seemed to be that she was just a difficult teenager. She simply needed to be forced to attend school regardless of how she felt, and age would course-correct everything itself. Which, that kind of response, it probably did not help Becky at all. If anything, it may have left her feeling a little bit more lonely. But, you know, feeling like nobody even understood at all what she was going through. Thankfully, though, Darren and Angie didn't give up. They knew that Becky needed help, and they kept pushing her to find it. Eventually, they were able to get her another appointment, this time with a place called Family Intervention Support Services. And Becky's experience there? It was much more positive. During those sessions, Becky was finally able to open up about the fears that she had been carrying around with her. Specifically, her fears about leaving home and going to school. She talked about worrying over things that most kids her age just wouldn't even spend any sort of time thinking about. Things like sex trafficking, kidnapping, and other worst-case scenarios that she truly believed could happen to her. Which, that's a pretty unusual thing for someone so young to be so consumed by and concerned over. I mean, at least it stood out to me. Not many of us are able to do that. But, you know, many young teens are worried about those kinds of things, or have even been exposed to those dangers as possibilities in life. Now, Becky did have an explanation for this. She said that a lot of those fears probably stemmed from watching horror movies, and from reading stories about abductions. That there was something maybe deeply planted and rooted inside of her because of that. Becky also opened up about some of the trauma that she had experienced growing up. She told the therapist that she had been teased for years, and that she had been teased for years for being the chubbier child. According to Becky, some of those comments even came from people close to her, including family members and friends. She also admitted that at certain points, she had become so self-conscious that she was carefully monitoring what she ate, just so that she would appear thinner in family photographs. Which is honestly so heartbreaking to hear. Nobody should have to go through that, no less a 13-year-old who is coming into her own going through adolescence and everything that is tough that comes along with that, but then feeling like you need to monitor what you're eating because you're scared you're going to look chubby in the family photo. The family is where you're supposed to feel the safest. Now, as if that wasn't difficult enough, Becky also explained that she had been heavily bullied at school. And when all of those experiences were piling on top of each other, one on top of the next, they eventually contributed to her fear and anxiety. So when all of those experiences piled on top of another, they eventually contributed to her being diagnosed with anorexia. Now here is her dad talking a little bit about what a difficult time that was for Becky. So Becky was referred to an ED clinic, and she began what would hopefully be the start of her healing journey. Now just because Becky was finally working with professionals who understood what she was going through, it doesn't mean that everything suddenly got better overnight. She still was refusing to go to school because of her anxiety and the fears about something happening to her. Also, the broken heart and the fear that she was going through. Then, when Becky was 14 years old, she left home and she enrolled in something called Hospital Education Service. Now in the UK, it's a program that is designed for children and young people who can't attend regular school because of health-related issues. And at her new school, Becky was finally able to access more consistent mental health support, including cognitive behavioral therapy. And in March of 2013, for a year, she was able to go to the hospital. So for the first time in what felt like years, Becky seemed to be making real progress. In fact, she was doing so well that her doctors discharged her from treatment. And things weren't just improving medically. At her new school, Becky was also finally starting to make friends, including a girl named Courtney Bicker. Now I have to say, one friend might not sound like a huge deal in the grand scheme of things, but attending a traditional school had completely disrupted Becky's life. So she was able to go to school, and she was able to go to school, and Becky's social life. And she never had many close friendships growing up, so this was actually a really positive development. And on top of making friends, Becky just seemed healthier, both physically and emotionally. The tension and the chaos that had often existed behind the scenes at home, it appeared to settle down, or at least fade into the background. The family even took a vacation together to celebrate Becky's 16th birthday. This was in June of 2014. So at least from the outside looking in, things really did seem to be heading in a positive direction. And then in November of 2014, Becky had even more exciting news to share. She told her parents that she had met a boy named Luke. He was a year older, he was 17 years old. Becky had a huge crush on him, and as it turned out, Luke lived right next door to Becky's brother Nathan and Nathan's girlfriend Shauna. Which remember, Nathan was nine years older than Becky, so do the math, you know, 16 years old, that would go to, he's 25 years old, so he's living with his girlfriend. You have this crush on this guy who's your age, he lives right next door to your brother. That means every time you see your brother and go visit him, you get to see your teenage crush. It feels, you know, like you get the butterflies, you're excited, it's new, it's exciting, it's young, love, all of the things. So by the end of 2014, Darren and Angie were finally able to just exhale a little bit. Their 16-year-old daughter seemed happy, finally, genuinely happy. She seemed healthy, she was making friends, she had a boyfriend. After years of worrying about Becky, it probably felt like everything was finally coming together. But what they didn't realize was that there were still some very serious things happening in Becky's life. Things that she had never told anyone about, not even her therapists. 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But apparently as Nathan got older, their relationship deteriorated. According to Becky, Nathan often made her feel worse about her ED. She said that he told her that he didn't believe that she was even actually sick and that she was only doing all of that for attention. She said that he would fat shame her, he would call her names, and this is where things seem to have moved beyond just typical sibling arguments. And into more, I don't want to say dangerous, but like cruel sayings. Just very mean-spirited. Becky also claimed that Nathan had threatened to physically hurt her. At one point, she even said he bragged about attacking someone with a sledgehammer in the past. Now whether he intended it that way or not, or was joking or not, one was serious, it certainly sounds like that's the kind of thing that could be interpreted as a threat. Absolutely. And just for a little bit of time, let's do a quick callback here. Remember when Becky told her therapist that she was worried about all of those bad things happening to her, blaming it on the movies and the stories that she read? Well, is it possible that maybe that was just a cover-up and that maybe Nathan was the one she was scared of because of what he was saying to her? I mean, possibly, but if she did really truly believe she was in danger, would she tell someone? Then there was another troubling situation. Becky told a staff member at the school that a quote, young male peer had been threatening her, saying that he was going to post nude photographs of her online. Now when the staff asked why she hadn't gone to the police, Becky explained that she was terrified of what may happen if she did go to the police. And remember, we're talking about someone who had struggled with severe anxiety for years. So whether her fears were realistic or not, Becky was clearly frightened. And unfortunately, for whatever reason, the situation didn't appear to be taken that seriously at all. A referral was reportedly sent to a non-profit organization that dealt with child sexual exploitation, but nothing ultimately came from it. Then, as if the family hadn't already been through enough, another challenge came in early 2015. Angie was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis. And as you can imagine, that diagnosis, a completely shifted the family's focus. Angie now had medical appointments, treatments, and her own health concerns to manage, which naturally meant that she had less time and energy to devote to Becky. Then came February 19th, 2015. At around 11.15 that morning, Angie had left home for a doctor's appointment and said goodbye to Becky before leaving. But later that day, Becky's boyfriend, Luke, started becoming concerned because Becky had stopped responding to his messages, just very abruptly, very suddenly. And then, that night, Becky never came home. Now, as it turns out, Luke was actually the first person to raise concerns about Becky's disappearance. Like a lot of teenage couples, Luke and Becky had been texting back and forth all throughout the morning, but then sometime that afternoon, the messages just stopped. At first, Luke figured Becky was probably just busy. One of her final texts had simply said, she was listening to music. But then, as the afternoon went on, Luke still hadn't heard from her. Now, he happened to have a dentist appointment near Becky's house that afternoon. So he texted her saying that he planned to stop by afterward. But Becky never responded. So Luke decided to stop by anyway. I mean, the two had only been dating for a few months, but he knew her family, so it wasn't particularly strange for him to show up and check on her. Because in his mind, maybe she was just worst case scenario, which if so, she would just tell him to go away and he would head back to school. But he was going to stop by regardless. So when Luke arrived and knocked on the door, Shauna answered, which Shauna is the girlfriend of Nathan's. And by that point, Angie also had already returned home from her doctor's appointment. So Luke spoke with both Shauna and Angie, presumably about Becky and the fact that nobody seemed to know where she was, and just tried to let them know that he hadn't heard from her. And also, I have to say, it wasn't unusual for Angie and Shauna to be home together. As I mentioned, Angie's MS, it was taking a toll on her. So Shauna had actually become her registered caregiver. And according to Luke, neither one of them seemed particularly concerned. They appeared completely normal, despite the fact that Becky was at home and wasn't responding to messages. But by the following day, on February 20th, at approximately 4pm, Becky was officially reported missing. And I have to say, that is a significant gap of time, especially when we're talking about a 16-year-old girl. Why didn't anyone report her missing sooner? So I did a little digging, and from everything that has been reported, it does seem like her parents believed that she was probably just staying with a friend, and had left after an argument, and that she would come back eventually. So they didn't seem overly concerned. Which, if you remember, Becky and her parents did have a complicated relationship at times. There had been arguments in the past, and Darren, her father, had occasionally threatened to kick her out during those heated moments. So they may have just believed that this was another situation where Becky simply just needed some time away. So once Becky was reported missing, investigators initially considered whether or not she might have run away. Now given her age, her mental health struggles, and the arguments that she had had with her parents over the years, the truth was, it was a reasonable possibility to see Becky. In fact, when Angie left for her doctor's appointment that day, earlier in the morning, Becky, Nathan, and Shauna were all at the home together. And according to their account, everyone was simply just doing their own thing. Then at some point, Nathan and Shauna heard a door open and shut, well, slam, I should say, as though somebody had left the house. And here's Shauna describing what happened. I think we got there about 11-ish. The door was locked, so we used a key from underneath the recycling bin. Got in, heard music upstairs, which Becky had been in then. I went into the kitchen to get a cigarette and went to go outside to have a cigarette. My daughter started whinging because she wanted to come out with me, so I took her down to the garden to help feed the rabbit while I had a cigarette. Probably was about 15-20 minutes. Then we came back up. I went into the kitchen to get a drink, I think I was, and washed my hands. Then I heard the front door slam. Carried on washing my hands, went into the living room. And then I think it wasn't until a lot later on that Angie asked me if Becky had gone out. And I said, yeah, I heard the door go. She must have gone out earlier. Washing my hands, I think. I heard the door slam. Front door. Again, I didn't look at the timer or think anything of it, so I didn't really kind of like, oh, what was that? It was just the door, so Becky moved and got out. So based on what they told investigators, it seemed like Becky had left voluntarily. The problem with that, though, was she never came back. A quick search of the house revealed that Becky's phone, laptop, and tablet were missing, which also did initially seem to support the idea that she had left on her own. I mean, after all, those are the exact kinds of things that most teenagers would bring with them if they were planning to run away. But there were also certain things that she left behind. There was money sitting out in her room. It didn't appear that she had packed any additional clothes, which, if you were planning to stay away overnight, wouldn't those be some of the first things that you would take? Money for food, for gas, for whatever, and clothes so that you can, you know, change clothes? And there were also other things that didn't make sense, too. Becky hadn't told anyone where she was going, and yeah, while running away after an argument is one thing, completely disappearing without contacting your boyfriend? That seemed unusual. So then two full days passed without Becky returning home, and without responding to any messages or contacting anyone. So on February 22nd, police made a public appeal for information. And during that press conference, investigators said that it is out of character for her to not contact someone if she is not returning home. Which, to me, that statement alone, it suggests that they may have already been treating this as something more serious than a typical runaway case. The following day, on February 23rd, Becky's family made their own emotional public appeal. Darren told reporters, quote, Becky, we just want you to come home. You are not in trouble at all. We just want to make sure that you're okay. If you can please give us a call or a text just to let us know you are safe. We all love you, and we want you back home with us. And Becky's grandmother had a message, too. Becky, we love you so much. We all love you and want you back home with us. You are so loved. I don't think you realize just that. You can come and stay at mine for as long as you need. If you are Becky's friend and you are sheltering her, you are not doing right by Becky. Just please get in touch. Now, if you'll notice, by those statements, it does sound like the family thinks Becky left on her own, that it was her own doing, and that they are making these public pleas for her to come back home as if she's listening. Yet the police, in their appeal, they made it sound like it was completely unlike her, and that she, possibly, didn't leave on her own. So the following day, on February 24th, investigators held another press conference. Now, this one felt a little bit different. In fact, it almost seemed like they were starting to align more closely with what Becky's family was saying. They spoke as though Becky might be watching from somewhere and simply choosing not to come home. One detective was quoted as saying, We are all just worried about you, and we want to make sure that you're okay. If you could just call home one of your friends or call us on 101, we can work with you to help work through any issues you are facing. So, I mean, naturally, a lot of people in the community, they started to believe that Becky had run away. And to be fair, Becky had left home before. At one of the organized search efforts, Becky's uncle Joe and grandfather John also spoke with local media about continuing the search and doing whatever they could do to bring her home. I'm very grateful, obviously, because people have taken their time out to do this. I'm very grateful, obviously, because people have taken their time out their own busy lives. But yeah, it's just a case of getting out there, finding their own, getting their own. Where are you guys going from this? We're going down to Cruzal. Tackle that part of the area. People are going down towards town now. We've got people taking Kingswood, anywhere where it's going to be busy. There's going to be loads of people. The police force was doing all the practical and forensic work. So we were, as a family, we hoped that we could do some practical stuff, putting out circulars, generally talking to people, stopping them. I'm surprised that even some people hadn't seen it on the media yet, you know. You'd obviously think it's been broadcasted quite, you know, a lot over the last few days. But no, they haven't. So it's nice to be able to maybe talk to people on the street, give them a leaflet. It's awareness more than anything, you know. You know, it's the sixth day now, so there's a lot of anxiety with the family at the moment. And in particular, the parents. Darren's here this evening. He's gone on a search. So, you know, we're hoping that, hope, with hope, you know. So we're going to be successful, bring this to a successful conclusion. You've each got flyers of Rebecca. There's no certain areas, just wherever you think that they should be, or that you think you should keep an eye out, please do. Tragic. Absolutely tragic. Absolutely devastating. What can you say? Do you know what I mean? So she's over her phone, or her phone, hopefully, then, do you know what I mean? Well, it's a family thing. It's a community thing. Obviously, it's very noble. When somebody goes missing, like, four or five doors down the road from you, it obviously kind of affects you. So it's very sad. And obviously, we're just trying to do what we can, where we can. Personally, I'm really upset, really worried. It's very close to home. It's someone you know, which always makes it a little bit more immediate, I suppose. So, yeah, out doing what you can. It's just a right worry, I feel, for her dad, the family, what they're going through. What Becky could be feeling. And I just think it should be my duty for me and my friends to help find her and get her home safely. Now, I have to say, I think it's nice that everybody is making these public pleas. But also, if you are the public hearing this, maybe you're not as frantic and concerned and looking every single possible place for her. Maybe you're thinking that she's unharmed, safe, and that it was just a matter of time. And that it was just a matter of convincing her to come back. And the truth was, if Becky was staying with someone, her family felt that either Luke or her best friend Courtney might know something. Because aside from them, Becky really didn't have a large social circle. But both Luke and Courtney insisted that they were just as confused as everyone else. They had no idea where she might be. So, the search continued. And investigators weren't limiting themselves to the immediate area around Becky's home. They wanted to cast as wide a shadow as possible. So they also turned to social media and launched the hashtag #FindBecky, hoping that it would gain traction. And I have to say, it absolutely did. That hashtag quickly reached more than 2 million people, not just in Bristol, but around the world. So if Becky really was moving from place to place or hiding someone voluntarily, the investigators hoped that someone would recognize her and come forward. But by February 27th, detectives still weren't any closer to finding her. So at that point, they began changing their search strategy. Instead of focusing primarily on places where Becky might be staying, they started searching nature reserves, ponds, and other outdoor areas. And whenever investigators start shifting resources in that direction, it's usually not a great sign. It usually means that they are looking for a recovery. Rather than a rescue. Now here's what one of the detectives had to say about this at the time. Yeah, we're extremely concerned for Becky. She's been missing now for six, almost six days, away from the home address. She's not been in contact with any of her family and friends. And she's not told anyone where she intended to go. So yeah, we're extremely concerned. And obviously as time goes by, that concern is only increasing. I should expect a 16-year-old missing girl, young lady that's been taken away from the home, taken herself away from the home address. So the family are very, very distressed by that. And we're trying to support them as best we can through that. But it's an extremely difficult period for them. At this stage, do you believe that any third party, another person's been involved in Becky's disappearance? This is very much a missing person search. We're trying to look for Becky. And we'd ask for the public support in helping us. If there's any sightings, it doesn't matter how small the information is, I'd really ask those people to come forward and just tell us if they believe they've seen her. Or if they have information they believe might be relevant to my inquiry. Are you checking CCTV footage at all? Yes, yes, we are checking CCTV footage again around the home address with the purpose of trying to ascertain the direction of travel away from the address by Becky on the morning that she went missing. Then on February 28th, eight days after Becky had been reported missing, the entire case changed. Out of nowhere, news broke that the police had made arrests. Not one arrest. But two. Up until then, many people still believed that Becky was alive somewhere and simply choosing not to come home. The searches were ongoing, the appeals were continuing, there was of course still hope that she would just eventually walk through the door. But now these arrests? That completely changed the conversation. So, who had been arrested? Well, it was none other than her brother Nathan and his girlfriend Shauna. And they took both of them into custody on suspicion of kidnapping. Which, this news, it shocked Becky's family, her friends, the entire community. Now, as surprising as it was for everyone who had been following the case, the investigators revealed that Nathan and Shauna had actually been on their radar pretty early. Almost from the beginning. Because Nathan and Shauna were the last people known to be in the house with Becky before she vanished, detectives had questioned them very early on in the investigation. And given the history between Nathan and Becky, investigators were naturally interested in understanding their relationship and dynamic. Now, what stood out was that Nathan wasn't shy about sharing his feelings. So much so, he reportedly told the police, "I don't particularly like her. What annoys me is how she speaks to my mom." And he was not the only one expressing those opinions. Shauna also largely echoed these same sentiments. Describing Becky as self-centered. Claiming that she treated Angie poorly. During her initial interview, investigators also felt that Shauna was behaving somewhat strangely. And admitted to a few things that raised additional questions. And then the other thing was, just a minor thing really. I think some of our colleagues were trying to speak to Nathan. Just part of those initial inquiries. Just a few days ago, on Tuesday, I think it was. And they sort of perceived a bit of reluctance. Do you have any knowledge of that? Not to my knowledge, I wouldn't know, no. Has Nathan had any? sort of concerns about speaking to us. Not that he's told me no. No. If he does I wouldn't know then. Yeah how is he finding it? I mean he's found it quite hard actually again he's kind of more thinking my god if it were or again knowing how hard it'd be for his mum at the moment you know because Becky was almost like her daughter to her. Yeah. You know and then over the weekend have either you or Nathan been involved in searching for Becky or doing anything? No I wasn't aware they were doing a search I didn't realize until um I think it was yesterday. Yeah. I went on my Facebook and obviously there was news articles and pictures popped up but they did the search but we weren't told about it at all. Still though despite openly admitting that they didn't like Becky both Nathan and Shauna repeatedly insisted that they had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with her disappearance. Which obviously speaking negatively about a missing person it's not a crime in and of itself but it was enough to make investigators take a closer look at Nathan and another detail caught their attention. On February 23rd detectives attempted to visit Nathan and Shauna's home. They wanted to speak with them again and potentially have a look around the property but when officers arrived neither Nathan nor Shauna was there. So police eventually located them across town and at that point Nathan and Shauna agreed that the investigation was complete. The investigation was complete and the investigation was done. The investigation was over. The investigators could search their home the following day. So it seemed like they were being relatively cooperative but still kind of odd. So when February 24th arrived the very next day and the detectives went to the house they started searching and when they got inside they were stunned by what they found because the home was in terrible condition. And we're not talking about a few dirty dishes that are left in the sink or on the floor. Investigators described conditions that were much more in line with hoarding. Belongings that were piled up everywhere, clutter filling every room, every single room, room after room, and simply just moving through parts of the house was incredibly difficult for them. It was so condensed and filled with stuff and it was so bad that Nathan and Shauna even kept a kettle and a toaster in their bedroom because they couldn't use their kitchen to eat. Which, those conditions, it made conducting a thorough search incredibly difficult. But even during those initial observations, investigators noticed something else that stood out. The bathroom in all of this was remarkably clean. In a house that was otherwise packed with clutter and mess, this one room appeared spotless. Which that immediately struck investigators as unusual. So while some detectives searched Nathan and Shauna's home, others continued examining Becky's house for evidence. And in Becky's bedroom, they discovered a small amount of blood on the outer doorframe. And the blood was confirmed to belong to Becky. But that wasn't the only important detail in all of this. Investigators also found fingerprints within the blood. And these fingerprints, they positively matched to Nathan. So at that point, detectives felt like they were looking at something far more significant than a simple missing person's case. Still though, they needed to move carefully and continue building evidence before jumping to conclusions. Now I have to say, despite finding Becky's blood, investigators still hadn't given up hope that she might be alive. At the time, investigators believed that Nathan and Shauna may have kidnapped her and that they were holding her somewhere else, but not that they would have killed her. Which that meant that if that theory was correct, time was running out. They needed to find Becky. Detectives also suspected that the pair may have had help. I mean, after all, Becky clearly wasn't inside the house, so if Nathan and Shauna were involved in all of this, investigators believed that someone else could have also assisted in moving or hiding her. So that line of thinking ultimately led the detectives to another couple who were friends with Nathan and Shauna. Their names were Carl and Jaydeen. And once investigators started looking into them, they uncovered another concern. On February 23, Carl and Jaydeen had borrowed a van from one of their jobs. And then at 2:19 in the morning the following day, CCTV footage captured the same van traveling from Nathan and Shauna's address on Cotton Mill Lane to Carl and Jaydeen's home on Barton Court. The footage showed the van pulling around to the rear of the property near a garden shed. Motion-activated lights switched on as it arrived. And this detail really mattered, because investigators had already tried to contact Nathan and Shauna on February 23. They knew that the police wanted access to the home, but remember, they didn't allow the detectives inside the home until the following day. So the timing in all of this, it immediately raised questions. I mean, what are the odds that after learning that the police want to search your property, but before that search actually happens, a van appears in the middle of the night at your house? And seems to transport something away from the home? In the dead of night, right? Yet Nathan and Shauna continued maintaining their innocence. However, during the search, detectives found a receipt that had been tucked away inside one of their kitchen cabinets. And the receipt was dated the day after Becky disappeared. And it totaled to approximately $136 dollars. And let's just say that the items listed on this receipt, they were difficult to ignore. The purchase included a circular saw, gloves, a full face mask, and protective goggles. So as you can imagine, when investigators saw that receipt, the possibility of Becky being alive still, it became much more difficult to believe. Because those aren't exactly the kind of items that you would expect someone to buy if they were only planning on kidnapping someone and keeping another person hidden somewhere. So now, detectives were increasingly concerned that Becky had been killed. And they were worried that finding her alive was becoming less and less likely. Nathan and Shauna, though, still weren't cooperating. But, investigators did eventually gain access to the garden shed behind Carl and Jaydeen's home, the other couple, the friends. So with that, during the early morning hours of March 3rd, the news that everyone had been fearing finally arrived. As a result of new information received late last night, we attended at a house at Barton Court in the Barton Hill area of Bristol. The information suggested that Becky's body had been cut up and a search at the new location resulted in the discovery of body parts. Although formal identification procedures have not yet been completed, we have made Becky's family aware of this discovery. Becky had been found. This poor young girl had not only been kidnapped and murdered, but her body had been hidden inside a shed as though her life meant nothing. Becky's father later spoke out about the experience of seeing her body in the morgue, saying, "When we saw her in the morgue, that's when it really hit us. I mean, they did their best to cover up where he cut her up and things like that, but I could still see where he had decapitated her. And no parent should ever have to see that." As for the rest of Becky's family, they were completely devastated, just shattered. And one detail that makes this tragedy even harder to process, if you can believe it, was that Becky was killed on her brother Dan's 20th birthday. So that kind of date becomes impossible to separate from the loss. On March 4th, Nathan was officially charged with Becky's murder. Shauna, his girlfriend, was initially charged with perverting the course of justice, although those charges would later change. Both were also charged with conspiracy to kidnap, preventing the lawful burial of a body and possession of an illegal weapon. Nathan and Shauna's friends were arrested as well. And even though it seemed like the investigators had a pretty straightforward case against everyone involved, Nathan and Shauna still refused to confess. Which, check out this clip of Shauna breaking down during a police interview. Now, what stood out to me, is that she wanted to know where Becky's body had been found. Not because she was devastated over what had happened, to someone she had known for years, but because she was curious. Which, I mean, what, that's your question in all of this? Then, when Nathan started learning more about all the evidence that the investigators had uncovered, he apparently instructed his lawyer to ask the detectives whether they had found any blood upstairs inside his home. And to his surprise, they said yes. Which, the moment that he heard that, the innocent act, it pretty much evaporated. It seems like he realized the walls were closing in. And that's when he finally began admitting. what actually happened. Nathan told investigators that on the day that Becky disappeared, he strangled her to death. He then stabbed her body 15 times, which why you have to stab someone after you've already killed them, that's beyond me. Maybe it's to make sure that she's dead. Maybe it's because of the hatred he felt toward her, but that's not a common thing to have happen in a case like that when somebody is already deceased. After that, he said that he transported her remains back to the home that he shared with Shauna. There, he dismembered her in the bathroom using that circular saw that he had purchased. Now, one thing that really stood out about his confession was that he never really implicated Shauna. Instead, he attempted to shoulder all the responsibility himself, and many people believe that's because he had recently learned that Shauna was pregnant with his child. But, investigators weren't buying it. They believed that Shauna had been involved from the very beginning. They had evidence placing her at Becky's house, evidence showing her with Nathan on CCTV, and evidence tying her to the events after the murder. So, in their minds, this wasn't the story of one person acting alone. But Shauna, she was trying to protect Nathan too. She told investigators that she knew nothing about Becky's murder and knew nothing about the murder of Nathan. She was just simply a clueless girlfriend who had no idea what was happening around her. I know that you've said about, um, I wouldn't have any evidence on her, no, her hair, the skin, skin cells, or things like that. But, but that doesn't stop you from not, just because you might not have touched, but not knowing. Okay. I'm trying to rephrase this. That doesn't stop you from actually knowing that she was there. Again, I could, yeah, um, I suppose there's no reason that you should or shouldn't believe me. Um, I can just obviously tell you that I genuinely had no idea. I can't even look at him. 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But disliking someone and then murdering your own stepsister. I mean, those are two very different things, unless you're Timothy Hudson and the Anna Kempner situation. But why go to these lengths? Why not simply distance yourself from someone that you don't get along with? Why kidnap her? Why kill her? Why carry out such an elaborate cover-up after the fact too? Not to mention, they weren't under the same household anymore. He lived on his own with his girlfriend. He was older. It's not like there was like this teenage battle between them for their mom's attention anymore. So Nathan's explanation, it didn't really clear things up at all. Because his explanation, he claimed he never even meant to kill Becky at all. According to him, this entire thing started as a fake kidnapping that was designed to scare Becky into treating his mom, Angie, better. I know, it sounds insane. But take a listen to his confession. Like to try and basically make her more appreciative of life, so she'd be more appreciative for other people. She'd be like grateful that, you know, she wasn't harmed or anything like that, you know. Because obviously, she'd leave things out on the floor of my mom to trip over. And obviously, we'd talk to her. And obviously, I thought if I was, you know, able to scare her, and obviously, her not be harmed, and obviously, be released. Obviously, when she got back, she obviously would have been scared and more appreciative of things, as people are. Okay, so tell me what you thought you were going to do. What your plan was. Obviously, stick her in the suitcase. Obviously, put tape around her mouth, so she wouldn't make any noise. I was thinking of, like, a wooded area, or whatever, to obviously take her back. Obviously, still have the mask on. And obviously, like, scare her, and, you know, say, some long lines of, you know, you've got to start treating people, start treating people better, you know, not being a bitch, or self-centered. And then, like, make a threat of, you know, or this could happen. Again, or worse, or something like that. And obviously, um, I hadn't figured out exactly how to, obviously, walk away, obviously, walk away after, without, obviously, I don't know if she'd try and follow. I'm assuming she wouldn't have followed, because out of fear, he wouldn't want to follow someone who just, obviously, has done that, and obviously, would have come back. Well, I would have, obviously, um, chucked away, obviously, everything first, and then come back, and obviously, would have acted as normal, like, come back to my mom's, obviously, acted as normal. Now, personally, I have a really hard time buying that explanation. According to Nathan, the plan was simply to put Becky in a suitcase, tape her mouth shut, and frighten her, but that somehow, that supposedly escalated, and turned into strangulation, multiple stab wounds, decapitation, and everything else that followed. So, was this really a plan that spiraled out of control, or was the fake kidnapping story just a half-ass attempt to minimize what actually happened? And what makes it even more disturbing is that Nathan knew being kidnapped or murdered was one of Becky's biggest fears. He knew that. He also couldn't really explain when this supposed plan had come together. So, when did you think all of this up? i can't be certain i'm no good with dates i've said this repeatedly in days muddling to other days i don't have a specific memory yeah of coming up with it but i remember thinking about it a couple of times just basically trying to think of ways to because if she don't she won't listen to me about leaving shit on the floor for my mum to trip up um she doesn't listen to her dad about it just trying to find a way of making her actually listen now when i hear someone say that they had a plan i assume that there was at least some level of preparation beforehand even if you don't remember an exact date you should probably know whether the idea came to you a few days earlier six months earlier a year earlier unless of course this fake kidnapping explanation wasn't the truth and there was no plan and what makes nathan's confession even more interesting is that the blood that the detectives found in his house the evidence that seemingly pushed him into confessing it didn't even belong to becky now to be fair the detectives never told nathan that and never told him it belonged to her at that point they were still waiting on test results all they said was that they had found blood so in the end it was nathan's own guilty conscience that gave him away now when it came to nathan's confession he was still waiting for the evidence to be taken it came to their friends carl and jadeen the friends whose shed was being used to hide becky's remains the van that had been used they insisted that they had no idea that a body was inside according to them they knew that nathan and shauna were storing something there but they didn't know exactly what it was allegedly investigators found text messages proving that carl and jadeen knew that something had been placed inside the shed however in those messages there was never any direct mention of a body although i gotta say the messages also showed discussions about receiving 15 000 for allowing nathan and shauna to use the shed along with conversations about what they planned to spend the money on some of the exchanges included all done not yet babes ah okay you gonna hide it for him we could do a lot with the money lol cool that's a deposit on a house lol i mean obviously they're not getting paid 15 grand to store a vacuum and a couple u-haul boxes in their shed and saying quote you're gonna hide it for him hide what right hello so at this point carl and jadeen maintain they believed now they knew what he was hiding that nathan was hiding drugs in the shed now that's obviously still illegal but it is very different from knowingly helping someone conceal the remains of a murdered 16 year old girl but it seems like now they were finally caught a little bit and admitting to the knowing something illegal was happening and that this was a big payoff for a reason now was that drug story true open to interpretation so as investigators dug deeper into nathan and shauna's phones and social media accounts they uncovered even more disturbing information and it ultimately helped prosecutors develop a theory about why becky had been targeted and why they did this to her it wasn't simply that nathan disliked becky and that he wanted her out of his family out of his life i mean sure that may have been part of it but investigators believed that there was something more going on messages recovered from facebook showed conversations between nathan and shauna involving fantasies about kidnapping young girls keeping victims hidden in a home violent sexual scenarios and hardcore explicit videos and images so those messages eventually helped shape the prosecution's theory that becky's murder was sexually motivated and that the two of them they had planned this crime as part of living out some sort of dark fantasy together it was after those messages were discovered that shauna's charges were then upgraded to murder now of course both nathan and shauna denied that interpretation but remember how at the beginning of this case they seemed completely united they were protecting one another they were covering for one another and presenting this very united front well that didn't last long like we see in so many cases involving couples accused of serious crimes that loyalty started disappearing once trial became a reality when proceedings began later in 2015 they quickly disappeared from the court and they were able to file a case against nathan and shauna shauna claimed that she had been terrified of nathan and that he abused her threatened her you know countless things throughout their relationship and honestly some of what she described it certainly sounds possible given what we know about him according to shauna nathan would physically assault her particularly during arguments she also claimed that he frequently grabbed her by the hair and would sometimes briefly slap her in the face and then would sometimes briefly strangle her in order to intimidate her she also said that he had isolated her from family and friends and even pressured her to leave college after becoming jealous of different male friendships that she had formed there shauna further alleged that when she once tried to leave him he got so upset that he grabbed a fork and he stabbed himself in the face i mean i'm glad he didn't stab her but like what a freak to stab himself in the face now as for the messages about kidnapping girls the dark fantasies all of those things she argued that they were simply sarcastic and unfortunate her direct quote now whether any or all of that was true investigators and prosecutors maintained that it didn't excuse any of her actions or her involvement in what happened to becky or the extensive efforts that were made to cover it up after the fact and as for nathan he suddenly said that he was not going to forgive her for what he did to her and that she had plenty to say about shauna as well nathan and some of his relatives including his grandmother compared shauna to lady mcbeth they argued that she had actually been the dominant one in the relationship and that she was responsible for encouraging the dismemberment and the cover-up when the trial finally concluded on november 11th 2015 the jury deliberated for just three hours and 27 minutes before reaching a verdict nathan was found guilty of murder shauna was found guilty of manslaughter both were also convicted of conspiracy to kidnap perverting the course of justice preventing the lawful burial of a body and the possession of two stun guns nathan was later sentenced to life in prison with a minimum term of 33 years shauna received a sentence of 17 years and when handing down those sentences the judge stated that he agreed with the prosecution's theory that nathan had murdered becky all in order to fulfill a sexual fantasy he also said that he believed that shauna had been quote persuaded to participate in the fixation matthews and whore have never shown any remorse for their grotesque actions and today's sentences reflect their refusal to take full responsibility for their callous crimes our thoughts remain with becky's family and friends who have suffered unimaginable pain and distress over the past nine months as for their friends carl and jadeen they were both convicted of assisting an offender carl received a two-year prison sentence while jadeen was sentenced to 16 months years later nathan was attacked in prison which i can't say i'm very upset by reports indicate that another inmate poured a jug of boiling butter over his face and neck the inmate responsible had previously been in prison for killing a woman who was in prison for murder and killing a convicted sex offender back in 2008 so it seemed like maybe there was a hatred i mean you know how offenders don't bode well in prison anyone who hurts children they they don't bode well in prison so it seemed like jailhouse justice nathan required medical treatment but he was not seriously injured and he remains incarcerated today now more recently in 2023 shauna was released after serving eight years in prison now as for becky's family and the people who loved her it's hard to imagine a world where this doesn't still affect them every single day you don't just move on from something like this especially when the people responsible are members of your own family becky's father darren has publicly said more than once that he wishes the absolute worst for nathan he even stated that if nathan had received the death penalty he would have personally carried it out himself several other family members have also expressed similar feelings hate's not a powerful enough word um not even despise um you'll never you'll never know the full damage of his actions and never knew the full damage of the actions which he took afterwards he's devastated so many lives now as for angie this is what she had to say about her relationship with her son nathan today i still love him i just find it hard looking at the monster he's turned into he's totally different From the child I brought up. It's unbearable for everybody involved, right? You don't want to believe that your own child is capable of such evil and such darkness. But then there, of course, as a parent is still the part of you that loves them, which doesn't justify what they did or excuse it or condone it. But I would imagine you're conflicted. I just find it difficult for any of them involved to wrap their minds around what they once thought was this beautiful, blended, happy family, despite some challenges along the way, became this. And that's why I think that the fantasy part of all this was so real and valid as well. Because, again, Nathan was living outside of the house. It wasn't just this hatred for Becky anymore because she was taking away Mommy's attention. There was something else, I believe, more deeply rooted there. And you know what it kind of is giving? It's kind of giving Carla Homolka vibes a little bit, at least to me. Which, if you're not familiar, that case, that's the Canadian couple. They killed her sister. He, like, would sexually assault young girls and they covered up for each other and they kind of got off on the fantasy of it. She tried to play the victim later, saying that she was scared of him, just like Shauna's saying. Which, I don't know, maybe there's some validity in both of those stories. Who the heck really knows, right? But it's kind of giving that. Like, to have a couple come together and target a family member in such a devious, brutal, and disgusting way. And then, decapitate them. A 16-year-old girl. That is a whole new level of darkness. And I'm wondering, too, like, what kind of resentment was there between Becky's dad and Angie? Obviously, it's not her fault, but if you're married to someone and their child did this to your child, surely there's some sort of friction or resentment towards your partner a little bit. Because it's their child who did this to your child, right? So, I don't know. I don't know how you would reconcile that. So, my thoughts are with all the family members, all the friends, everyone who lost Becky and who was deeply affected by this. Because it is just unspeakable. And this is one of the major cases in the UK that has been requested. So, if you live in the UK, because I know we've got a lot of UK viewers here, and listeners, let me know what you know about this case, too, being so close to it. And I'm curious to know your thoughts on it. And what is the community? What does the community think about it? Thank you guys so much for tuning into another episode. Don't forget, really quickly, like the video, subscribe. If you're listening on the podcast, follow the podcast, all the things. Free way to support the show. And I will be back with you next week with an all-new episode. Until then, stay safe. Bye.