Daphne Guinness and the Anarchy of Creativity with Katya

[MUSIC] >> Okay, welcome back to The Ball of the Beautiful. However, today is a rare exception. Neither of us are bald, and both of us are beautiful. We have a legend in the house. Daphne Guinness, thank you so fucking much for being here. >> Thank you for having me. >> I was going to do this really cheeky thing. It was like, get fast in your fucking seat, bells, cuz we've got a legend in the house. She's an elusive shantoo, she's a fucking legend. But I was just- >> That sounds really good. >> Okay, great. >> [LAUGH] >> Daphne fucking Guinness. >> That sounds really good. >> Thank you for being here. I have to say, I'm going to try to like modulate my emotional temperature and not flip out. Because I was telling Mark, you have to tell him Mark, about 10 years ago, maybe. Me and a bunch of my friends were at a friend's house on the floor of his bedroom. And he's like, I have to show you this. In his giant TV, he put on heaven, and we all collectively shat our pants. >> [LAUGH] >> And it was, we were all like, a rare moment where nobody pulled their phone. Nobody looked away, nobody had gone to the bathroom. I mean, it was such a difficult thing to have everybody's attention, laser focused. And then we just started watching all of them. And it was so surreal, so cool. And now you're here, it was so weird. >> So thank you for being here, thank you for having me. >> How are you doing? >> I'm doing really well, it's so nice of you to have me. And I'm so happy you loved having, because I never know what I'm releasing into. >> Yeah, yeah, yeah. >> You know, I mean, I- >> Is it a trap? >> Yeah, never, it's also because there's never any plan. >> Yeah, oh, well that is very relatable to me. I never have a plan. >> Never have a plan. >> No, no, no. >> But is that the plan by the seat of your pants? >> Yeah, I mean, because if you plan, it's always going to go something going wrong anyways. >> Yeah. >> But what is this, what is this fucking cool ass? >> This is, this is, I made a glove with my friend Jean-Line and Alexander McQueen. And this was, yeah, this was, this was one of the, the tryouts for the, the whole glove thing. >> Jesus Christ. >> So this I still wear, I've got a couple of them. >> So I mean, we're going to get into your, like, insane couture, I wouldn't call it a collection. What would you mean? >> No, no, no, no, no, no. >> If you had to, if you had to throw out a number of looks, to say like full looks, you know, that you could style a person in, how many would you have to guesstimate that? >> I have no idea, because I can do a lot of things with like, what, with changing accessories or, you know, or switching things between things, but I, I don't know because actually a lot of my stuff just lives in storage because. >> And is it like, is it okay? >> Yeah, yeah, I think it's all right. I think it's okay. I mean, it's because I kind of float around. I'm not really, I don't really have a place as it were. >> Yeah, the citizen of the world or the universe. >> Yeah, exactly. Oh, God. I dread going into my storage because the idea of the just like memories and, oh. >> I have, I want to, so I was obsessed with, I mean, I came into like, looking at fashion kind of late and I, I think when I saw the Plato's Atlantis collection from a keynote, that's when I was like, holy crap. >> Yeah. >> And then what, what was the point at which you kind of like, really got into the world of fashion, like, so in the thick of it? >> I, I guess I was in the thick of it, but I've never really, I know it sounds really, really strange to me, but I've never been on the industry side or in the kind of, or really I've never been employed in the fashion world, which is probably great. >> Which is probably great. >> It's probably great. I'm kind of, I'm neutral like Switzerland, yeah. >> Yeah, yeah, yeah. >> So I haven't, I'm not sort of bound by any brand or by any kind of whatever, I just go with what, how I'm feeling and a lot of it is friends, really, but I didn't find myself in the thick of it, probably, I mean, I was in the thick of it before I met Ezzy, that's how, in a way I kind of met her, well, I sort of, I remat her in 1998, but I knew her as a teenager because she was a lot, she was quite a lot older than me, and she was her birthday today. >> Shut the fuck up. >> Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. >> So for people at home who don't know, the Isabella blows like a legendary stylist in a champion of McQueen. >> Yeah. >> It was, she the one that bought his collection from school, is that? >> Yes, that's correct. >> Okay. >> She was like a, I mean, how would you describe her? >> Oh my god, she was the funniest person, I mean, her laugh, and just, she was one of those people that just made you sort of braver, but just by being around her. >> Oh, that's correct. >> I'm actually quite, sort of shy and anxious, and she's, she's much more, sort of like, gung-ho about everything, and I, I sort of, I fell into that part of the kind of fashion well, but I've, I'd always been sort of, sort of in the background, I didn't really, I didn't really know how to be in the thick of it, I kind of just learned, I learned on the road, as they say. >> Yeah, it seems like, I mean, it always seemed to me like an impenetrable world of like snubs. >> Yeah. Well, pretty much. [laughter] >> I mean, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just get way to the sun, sun, sun, and up. I mean, it's a world like any others, and what's great is it's like, kind of, like a fair or something, so you do run in, what's nice is you sort of develop friendships and lots of sort of relationships over the years, and even though I'm kind of, I'm, unless it's a friend, I don't really go to fashion shows because it, I think it's sort of like, it's more for editors or it's more for kind of like, whatever. And sometimes I, you know, I, I've started to go a tiny bit more, only because people that I know have taken over houses or, yeah. >> Sure. >> Who, I just watched the Victoria Beckham documentary, and it was really fascinating to see like, how long it took her to get taken seriously, and he's really good. >> She actually is, right? >> He's really, really good. >> When it was a swap. >> And it took a really long time for years. >> And she's so talented. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> But they just, I mean, I, I think it takes like, but it takes about 10 or 12 years to kind of brave, you know, I'm not even, I mean, so it's so, longer. >> I think it was like 17 years or something crazy, and that's just like, in, in the business side is one thing, but then like the, you know, the reputation and the, um, the, what she did it. >> Yeah. >> She did. >> I think she's fucking funny too. >> Yeah. No, I don't, I don't, I don't. >> I've never met her, but she's, she's a, she's a sterical, but it was like, it was such an interesting, like, look at how, how kind of, yeah, like it is, it is tough to get taken seriously because you have to be an artist and you have to be a business person and then you also have to be like, cool. >> Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I, I must say, I've kind of stopped really, I mean, I'm not, I didn't even, I've, I, I must say, I live in such a different world and so in an intersection in my own mind of kind of other things of mythologies. >> What is your, what is your favorite, what is your current obsession if any, you have like at this very moment? >> In the end of Hashemar? >> Oh, no. >> What do you think? >> Well, I'm, well, selfishly, but the, the album I'm writing, I mean, but it's kind of halfway in my head, you know, I mean, it's sort of, I'm plotting it out, is it what? >> No, you mentioned outside that you, that, that songwriting is like, yeah, you're having in a flash. >> Yeah, it happens, it happens. >> How the fuck? >> I don't know. They just appear. You know, it's, I say, I excavation or picking up on signals from beyond because I don't feel like, I feel they kind of write themselves in a funny way. >> Interesting. >> So it come up with a tune and a, and a phrase and then it all sort of like just, it's like a kind of puzzle. It just comes together, somehow. >> Yeah, yeah, yeah. >> Somehow. You know. >> Yeah, I feel like the more, sometimes more, some are more, some are more resolved than others. >> Have you, I was, I was bopping in the car like severely to hip-next spine. I just got to tell these fucking children at home. If you are listening to this or you're watching this and if you don't fucking go to YouTube right now, I'm going to kill myself. >> No. >> You need to like put this on, on your fucking phone and you don't need to watch this thing on YouTube. Skip that damn ad and then watch that goddamn, it is like, I, the, what is so exciting to me is that because now I'm doing little lip sync wiggles again, I have an arsenal of your fucking music that I'm going to make money off of. >> No way. >> I'm going to make money off of them. >> Oh, great. >> Gosh, I'm so glad. >> It's so difficult for me to find English language music that actually like. >> Oh my goodness. >> But it's got that say flattering, thank you. I mean, I'm not, I don't, there's no point in me blowing smoke up your ass, but like, it is so good. Is that, oh, oh. >> Oh, oh. >> Oh, my God. >> It's so exciting. >> That I didn't take, actually. >> That is. >> And it was so funny because my producer was upstairs, Tony Fisconte. And I just sort of, because I knew I had a little bit more than I needed to change a couple of lines. So I was just there with the engineer who was, I think he was really blushing in the thing. Because I thought, you know, and then I thought I might get a laugh out of Tony, but you sort of like didn't even kind of notice and I was like, whatever, but anyway, it was quite funny. >> Do you have money in the booth? >> I do. It's kind of, but for me, well, when you're, when the band is in the room, it's great. Sometimes it's the loneliest place to be, to be, you know, sort of trapped. backing with the whole band and then you go in and then you do the lyrics afterwards. I quite like, I mean, I probably perform better in the studio when the band is in the room. OK. I mean, although I can, I can do it on my own. I mean, it's, you know, I, it's weird, but I think the thing is sometimes I can put the band off because I think in harmony. OK. OK, this is the first line and then I'll sort of jump into a sort of third harmony for the second. Everybody thinks I've switched tracks or whatever. So I think she's doing it. So now I'm much, much better at keeping on the kind of just lead vocal. Yeah. Not trying to skip around too much, not doing octaves off. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Good. Do you per? Have you ever been like? Have you ever released a song that you're like, maybe like a little, a little while later, you're like, oh, I wish you did this. Or did you just let it go? Pretty much. I mean, there was a couple. There's one song on my first album that's in the wrong key, actually. Oh, really? Yeah. Sounds better in the original key that I wrote it in. And that I'll probably re-record that in its original key. It's only half a step up, but it makes all the difference. I mean, I dabble. And I say dabble is a dilatant in music, which I have no business singing, but I love it. Everybody's got business singing, to be honest. You know, and with technology, it's like, but anyways, I, I, but we're talking about like, where did these ideas come from? And I had like a My Flash of Genius was Black Diaria. Yeah. If you think, if you just think about, don't think about the subject matter. No, I know. Just the way that it sounds. Yeah, yeah. That sounds. Yeah, I get it. That's how I always do it. It's also its consonants. It's fouls. It's the way it sounds. Exactly. So you need to have a hard, you know, you need sort of like some type. I'm always, unless I've written it all in one go, then sometimes that does happen evening in spaces. I wrote that in one sitting. And it's 54 chord changes. I mean, poor guitar players have to follow me on that one. It modulates everyone in a half bar. Yeah. Exactly. So I mean, you know, rock music is sort of this point, sort of four chords. They say three chords and the truth. But this is like 54. It's easier for us. It's easier for a string section to do that because your voice is like a violin. Essentially, it's that sort of. Oh, yeah, the chords. So, you know, you can bend the voice through three different keys, but if you're trying to do it on a piano or on on a guitar, it's you're putting at chord charts. And it's like. I mean, many times I'm very good at doing things between keys. So, you know, I don't know, it's normally a D minor or a flat major, which is a relative, but anyway. I know exactly what you're talking about, by the way. So, and also, I go into these kind of Arabic things. What does that mean? Well, they're sort of, you know, the Eastern European scales. What does that mean? I should know. Oh, my God. Well, no, if you think about how do sort of it's. I'd have to map it out for you. It's a good example, you know, the song, the Beatles song called Girl, when it goes into a bazooki, but it's difficult to, if so Russian music, for example, has a different, it's got sort of like a. It's just, it's a different, it's different, but it's different notation, but it's, you know, the octaves are sort of slightly more. Well, I mean, I don't know, I don't have the musical. Even many, many, even pops, there's a lot of like, it's a lot of folk influence, a lot of, even like a four-year instead, you know, yeah, yeah. Gosh, I wish I was being more articulate today. Are you kidding me? I have like, I have two EP's, I mean, I know how to talk about notes. Oh, my goodness. I don't even know where to start with the music videos. I don't even know where to start. I, I guess, want to start with heaven. And so when did your, when did your collaboration with David Lushapel, because he's done many of your, how many of videos I've done seven? Jesus Christ. They're so, like, they're so perfect. And I'm, I'm looking at the current pop stars in America and like my favorite pop stars in Russia. And, and, you know, going back to like, whatever, 60s, 70s, eight, nobody's doing it like you. I'm sure it's just so, it's so fierce. It's like, the, we watched, I made the girls watched, heaven and time. And so, do you enjoy doing music videos? Yeah, I love doing music videos. But, yeah, I mean, I really enjoy doing music. There you are. Sometimes they, they go on for days. I was going to ask because a lot of, a lot of people, I know who do, they love the product. But it's always just me. I like the process. You do. I'm a process person. In fact, I don't really like releasing things. I mean, I'm doing it very quickly this time because actually the whole kind of talking out of the thing or whatever, I go into a terrible grief process after, after doing it because I get so into it. It's like the post-show blues. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I was like, I like making stuff up, seeing where it lands. I mean, it's, it is, it is apparent because like we do watch something like a time or even having, especially heaven, every shot and every introduction of a new look in a new like tablo is so like divine. It's kind of impossible to think that you're not having the most. It's just so like, it's so, it's like an ecstasy. And it's really fun. And it would have, I was like, what if she says, I fucking hate it. No, no, no, no, no. But also David's going to like my brother. So I mean, what is he like? Oh, he's so great. He's so funny. He shot the, he shot, I think, the promo for trick season of All Stars. Yeah. And it was so we had, I was very jealous because our season sucked. We had no promo. It was, it was shit. And then the next season, they have David fucking lost the belt. And it was, the trick season said it was like amazing. And it truly was amazing. But yeah. He's so funny. Yeah. How does that, what does it look like on a set? What's the vibe? Oh my god. Chaos. - Yeah. - But he organized scales. - Okay. - Yeah. - Does it, I mean, I've been, gosh, I mean, we've been this sort of, we've got, we've shot for days and weeks and yeah, months and sometimes things feel like one long shoot. - Oh, 'cause yeah, I mean, a lot of times. - I mean, he sort of, I mean, essentially, in me he'll just start, if he says jump, I just say, "How hard?" (laughs) or whatever, I just know it's gonna be all right. And I thought, "Well, you know, something goes terribly wrong, "at least I'll look good doing it." (laughs) - Yeah, I mean, that's like, that's like, that's kind of like dead on a set, kind of like looking really sort of glamorous. - Yeah, I mean, it's, I'm thinking about like, I'm thinking about the evolution of aesthetics in certain trends in pop culture and like how, you know, sometimes it go, there's like, the pendulum swings like towards like a super, a super advanced technology and then kind of retro. And what is the video you have that it's a VHS? - Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - What is that song? - That is, that was the beginning of Deviant Disco. - Okay, 'cause that, I was like, I was like, I was looking through your catalog and I was like, I wonder if she's done like a VHS thing and she's not. And it's so, it's so fucking, like it has the contemporary, like kind of knowledge of all the different types of aesthetics and like treating that retro one, like with such precision, it's so good. - Oh, thank you. - I'm sorry I'm like looking at your ass. - No, no, no, no, no, it's really nice to get feedback 'cause I have no idea, kind of creating a bubble. - How long, so you, could most of the music videos that these horrors do? Like, they take, they do two days, maybe. And sometimes they do overnight, which is nuts. - Right, I loved it. I used to love doing that. - How long, what's the longest shoot you've been on? - Four days, but then I sleep. - Fuck. - Yeah. That was evening in space, that was really fun. - God, we watched that at my friend Franz's house and what's your favorite, if you have it? - Well, I love them all for different reasons. - If you have it. - I hit next blind took three days. - Three days, okay. - But that's nice to have some time. And also, I think you hit a kind of sweet spot on the second day, going into the third. - Yeah, I got it. - You know, the first day is always a bit everybody sort of like getting themselves together. - Yeah. - I mean, it's really nice to be able to have three days shoot. - Yeah, dude. - Do you work with different crews or? - I know, I've watched, lots of people from, especially on the David sets, I've worked again and again with just because you know, they're his crew. And then also, obviously with Nick Knight. - Oh, right, right, right, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's, he's the show studio. - Yeah. - I want it getting into these looks, getting in and out of these looks. Pretty simple. - Oh, actually. - Her and makeup. - Come on. - I mean, the clothes, I'm really fast. - Really? - I can change it in about two seconds. As long as the her and makeup's done, I'm good. - Damn. - I'm like struggling. I have, I'm at the back trying to pull up this zipper that I stood on myself and it's just really annoying when you have to sort of like do that. - Yeah, that's-- - That's what's nice having someone, even if you've got other people on set, to help you get to do that. - Have you ever gone home in a gown that you had to like cut yourself out of? - Yeah. - That stuff that's ripped on me and fallen off and whatever. - It's tragic. - tragic. - That's why the one thing, things just go (kissing) - Yeah. - The yoga. - The collapse. good for that. It's the this yeah exactly that that and then that's the only thing you was good for yeah my god it's so good yeah what is um oh my god trying to get in a night of cat suits in in laboratories of sort of oh my god especially when you're loaded up with chains and the hour of my gun it yeah a lot of that shit looks really heavy it is what yeah and you and you and these are like your signature shoes I want to talk about having a signature look in a in a in a world where oh this is part of my intro in a world of imitators she's never replicated something like that you know how do you like how do you choose and stick with a signature look and that's what kind of what I'm feeling comfortable in it's just whatever yeah this is whatever and and actually I kind of got really boring I start wearing the same thing every every single day but like a uniform yeah like I love especially when you're when you're when you're recording or something it's it don't want to have to spend too much time what's one thing that you would never wear even with a gun to your head I have something beige like a juicy couture beige sweatpants oh and I think kind of right I'm not really good with brown it has to be very very sort of it has to be very crisp burnt umber you know it combines with a Russian blue you know what I mean I did not get on this sort of autumnal oh you're not a pumpkin spice that lots a girl I was thinking to myself like I don't need if she showed up today in like kids there's like trousers and like oh my god oh my god actually yeah it's funny so someone was trying to thought they might be that make make it sort of funny video and I've like yep I just couldn't I just have I would have a serious reaction you know I have serious reactions to sort of like some tones of music some some color palettes but oh like okay so beige beige but I mean yeah beige yeah what in terms of like decor in the home in in your surroundings like do you like bold colors do you like stark black and white red and a lot of shiny surfaces chrome yeah and white and red yeah yeah and chrome and I like I like dark egg blue and silvery you know Swedish 18th century kind of yellows oh hell yeah I just painted um I live in this hellhole but I um I I'm having to paint these rooms and and I'm like looking around in every every apartment or every house that is trying to get sold in America is gray beige soft beige light gray light eggshell soft eggshell great like gray and it's like it's like in all the furniture is that color too and it's either all white I'm like so quite like all white you do oh yeah I mean I like what I like using it well not if I wish I had a really big place to do but um white wash white wash was then you can add other colors to it sure but also it looks really good white washes like lime wash what does I mean you know like in Mediterranean beneath the houses oh yeah that's what you set on the inside you can okay yeah it just gives it a the walls are kind of I don't know it just looks so good I did what I we painted the walls because they were fucking totally right it like a semi-gloss white and that was cunt but each room is either like golden rod like yellow so right and it's like I couldn't believe how it changes your idea like instantly like it's like fucking prosack it's actually like way stronger than prosack it's like it's like energizing and super it has a really like strong effect and then it did absolute like scar like this color red Matt in my studio oh wow in the ceilings and everything it's like so cool it's very aggressive but it's also it's like motivating right in a little confrontational but it but it's nice and then it blew like I'm like I just went super super bold in every room and I'm so glad I did it but I'm never going to be able to sell this place oh my goodness because nobody's going to win live there yeah but people like repaint I mean I guess yeah what's the what's your least favorite color if you have one such a stupid question sorry would you be a color I suppose I love green for plants okay don't wear green okay I don't know but I love green I mean it depends I sort of thinking in sets of water colors in a funny way so it's not yeah I mean it's not about it's about I think it's about tones of colors sure so you know like red can be horrible it can be in a rep or I think what's my least favorite color synthetic color okay I like old colors old colors when I did when I was at art school I would steal from my the art store that I worked out they're really really expensive yeah because they have the those like such a different quality yeah yeah yeah exactly you get these shitty two-dollar acrylic tubes or these like eighty-dollar sinelli A like oil tube you know like holy fuck it's such a difference it's like black and white yeah yeah it's wild this I think it's a problem there's not not very much nuance with colors anymore no we we're living on nuanced world was kind of unmysterious to me yeah I think people are really they they it seems like because people have access to everything now sort of visually via like Pinterest and you you can if you want to know what Chris Jenner's bedroom looks like we can look at it right now no way you know I mean like online you know I'm sure we'll get it and you're so like there's a lot of just like dogpiling on trends and they all seem to just kind of get watered down and it's like it's kind of shitty it'll come back I don't know I think we're all going to hell oh my god yeah do you so you're in LA but you travel a lot um what is your least favorite city to visit and why oh I don't know um we say I can't believe you never into Manchester I've never been to Manchester I haven't really it's funny my my travels have been sort of paramedetic but in a very strange way I don't know I don't have a least favorite city maybe London yeah I was going to say yeah London I don't like it's tough it's tough and also it's built on clay so you feel really kind of exhausted all the time it's basically a swamp yeah it's swampy yeah and also for me it's got bad memories you know yeah I had me too yeah there's I've stayed I've been to London more times than I'd care to go yeah no offense to all the British fans I mean I feel so happy when I you know across the channel and go get to Paris it improves my mood now and yeah I mean I the London is just full of ghosts oh yeah for me yeah for me it's just full of bad breakfast yeah yeah oh yeah oh my god what do you eat for breakfast I have but it depends sometimes I have porridge okay sometimes I kind of start eating kind of about midday okay I do you ever have steel car oatmeal you do you ever have steel car oatmeal yeah you have that it's the best it's the best yeah what about what's up with the black pudding in the fucking booth that is so never eating that it's diabolical yeah no no no no no it's diabolical when I think when I grew up in an enable and I still love it I liked canned food because there's no way that I was going to eat anything that the look just of like it was like black pudding or something disgusting it's like I feel like it's the diet of an evil sailor yeah yeah yeah no I prefer to have baked beans on toast to be quite honest with your favorite cuisine if you had to like say you had to just eat only one cuisine for the rest of your life Japanese ah what's the go-to order um sushi yes sort of like salmon sashimi and some some sort of like udon noodles oh yeah we just went to Hawaii and had that there's an there was a udon place across the street that there was a line down the block like at all hours of the day so chaotic in there is amazing oh my god it was it was really good um current designers who are doing or working now who are you who are you who are you vibing with um I'd recommend okay he's wonderful and he's a Tom Ford now okay these so they got these they bump around they do bump around it's while the I who is it was that scaper really it was a dent dent Daniel Rosebury who that looks pretty cool I think that shit is amazing yeah me too I haven't I haven't seen it up close for a while I mean I've I've never been into a fashion show I imagine oh my god we have to go tomorrow but you have to cradle me like a baby because I I they seem so stressful and so like they and also with like where are you sitting and oh god I might I have nightmares and stress streams about getting invited and like going to the front row and somebody in my seat and then I just have to leave yeah yeah I know I always feel like I'm probably down belong there I don't think anybody does what it's what it's been - And your favorite show that you've attended. - Well, you know, I think of all the McQueen shows. - Yeah, I mean. - They're all just brilliant. Like, what the fuck? - They're all, just, you know. - The collection where I forget it was, with the big glass enclosure in the room. - Oh my God, that was so much fun. - But it's like a Robert Wilson theatrical experience. It's not just like we're walking down the runway and we're showing all the garments, you know? - There's always, there's always, there's always a twist. - Yeah, the like, the intense theatricality is like, I miss that so much about, 'cause I don't know if I see it. - I mean, John is still doing that. - Got it, I know. - Yeah, I think he's wonderful. - Oh my God, the fucking tour, when he was, what was, I don't know, was that was early '90s? - Maybe early '90s. - When he's and 2000s, beyond. - Like, you're like, this is, when they're, it was the, the set was like almost like a Japanese. - Yes, oh my God. - Garden kind of thing with like, like all these different levels. And I thought I was thinking this is like the full, this is like the human brain operating at full tilt creativity. - Yeah, yeah. - I mean, it's so colorful, so outrageous. - It's just beyond, beyond brilliant. - So fucking cool, so cool. I also, um, um, I love, um, uh, what the fuck is it, um, oh my God, it, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, not logger felt. No, no, no, I was going to ask you about logger felt later, um, oh my God, it's killing me. Um, oh, I was been herping. Oh, he, she's so nice. It's, um, he's one of my great friends. What does she like? Oh, really, really lovely. Really? Oh, that's good. And her boyfriend, Salvador, we've spent a lot of time together because I knew before she was really kind of became like, so, you know, we kind of met up. I can't remember, probably two thousand and seven or something. Yeah. She's, she's amazing. I mean, it's just so cool. Very, very humble and really, but she just loves what she does, you know, oh, thank God. It is, I mean, the, it's like so cool, like, you know, talking about like originals, it's, it's so cool to, like, when you see something, it's like, I've never seen that before. Yeah. You know, she did a whole collection underwater, which was really cool with musical instruments, which, that was, that was quite, you should look it up on me. Oh, damn, I haven't seen that. Oh, my God. That was, that was something else. Yeah. I, people playing instruments underwater in the close shut the fuck up. Really? Really cool. I mean, those things, those, um, fashions, those must have cost a fortune. Yeah. I mean, that's, that's, that's a problem for so many designers. I mean, so I do, um, scholarships at Central St Martins for the last 15 years and trying to kind of, you know, when you're seeing all this kind of raw talent and like, how is it going to translate into whatever, because it does cost money and to have a, to be in that world. I mean, you do have to, I think, have a bit of a business brain or definitely more than me. I know that's, I mean, a lot of times like in the Victoria Beckham is talking about, she's like, she didn't have that business brain, she'd go to business school and she's like, going through the budget and she's like, $85,000 a year on plants in the office. Wow. It's like, okay, it's insane, but like, um, but it does, it must be, I mean, it's like, in a capitalist consumer kind of world where like, the dollar is the king, I mean, creativity suffers. It doesn't, you know, not enough, sort of not enough art is kind of, I don't know, governments don't seem to get behind art programs. I can't imagine anybody cutting funds to the art. I know. I can't imagine that being the first thing to go and it's so crazy and then people, but we need more of that. We need more Satan to nuclear warheads. I know exactly. Do you realize that there are about, I could be wrong about the numbers, but there are maybe four or five submarines in the US arsenal underwater, somewhere around the world that contain 20 to 40 nuclear warheads that could be launched from underwater and could reach anywhere on earth and each of them cost about $10 million, but we can't go to, like we can, I can't go to fashion school. No, exactly. Exactly. It's fucking nuts. It is nuts. It is, it is like, it is so twisted and a culture is defined by its art. I mean, you know, you're not by it's sitting to warheads. No, exactly. You can't even see them. Do you want to leave anything behind? I mean, it's like what the future archaeologists have taken out this period. I wonder what they're going to think. We'll see. But if they get to you, then we're in good, we're in good luck. Because it's like, do you, I mean, in terms of like the preservation in the, you know, as you, uh, is available, I had quite a collection, and then when she passed away, you, I bought it because her sisters unable to have what was so sort of tragic about the whole thing was that she wanted her sort of paranoia as well. She was going broke all the time. And she, when she died, her estate had, you know, you know, death duties and her sisters at that time, and they were going to sell it at Christy's. Oh, yeah. I just thought, ah. No. No, no, no, no, no, no. Also, I just thought it was just so ghoulish, the whole idea of how to sort of fix it. No, I just, I just felt that it was, it was a kind of, what, just terrible. So I kind of, I stepped in and I sort of convinced her sister to sell to me. Fucking hell. The, the, the death, he, he's whatever. And then I was like, what do I do with all of this stuff? Because I, you couldn't wear it, you know what I mean? I did, she was like, well, you, you should, but you'll be able to wear this stuff. I mean, I can kind of put them on now, but still I feel like Isabella's clothes, for sure. So I did, um, I did, I did a show at FIT, I think it was in 2000 and 10 or 11, yeah, I think so I can't roll it. And, um, I remember just before that show, because like everything I do, that took two years to sort of put together with lovely Valerie Steele, just, I was standing in this kind of, in the sort of fully kind of, the, just before they, they were pulling up the plastic and I just did a kind of prayer to the universe. I thought, I mean, you know, first of all, I was terrified about anybody seeing this, this thing. Yeah. But, you know, there's a lot, there's a lot of pressure. The greener just died. It was, you know, he'd just been the big savage beauty show up at the mat, which has had to kind of manage that at the same time. So yeah, how it is, I mean, it was really, it was, so I kind of made, did this prayer, and I thought, if this works out, then somehow, somehow I would just get the funds together. So I sold like a hundred pieces of my collection in order to raise funds to create a foundation to be able to put on her, her, her show at Somerset House. Wow. But, you know, it took me walking into Louise Wilson's office at Central St Martins, and, you know, with this crazy idea. And we became very good friends. I mean, Louise was, was quite, quite a force of nature, to be say. And I wouldn't be her, you know, initial go to person, I didn't know, it was like a cold call. Oh, hello. And what do you think? But she was so supportive and so nice and the sort of, the foundation start was kind of born out of that. Of course. Well, I've been trying, what I was trying to, what I'm trying to do, I know it probably doesn't even make a difference. But I'm trying to self the comic kind of jigsaw puzzle of trying to kind of create something where all this loss happened. Okay. It doesn't make sense to me, but it's been, it's been a huge kind of, it's been a massive undertaking. And I would have done more, but I mean, frankly, you know, these things cost a lot of money. I have no idea how to get sponsorship, I have no idea how to do very much apart from right as long. I don't know how to get my mail. I know. I don't even know how to type. You have no idea how, what is it, how seen I feel right now? Oh, good. I don't know how to type. Yeah. I've written a book. Oh my god. Two of them actually. And I am a hunt and packer. Me too. I mean, I try in long hand. Me too. If you want cur, you want a curative on parchment, come to yeah. Yeah. I can do Russian script beautifully on a, nobody wants that. No. And nobody is. In like, like, the manuscripts and sort of the middle ages. Yeah. I would, I would be much more comfortable with like a, yeah, one of those Italian glass blown up. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. So, but I'm, I'm just, if you're a board, which I doubt you are, there's the thing called typing club. Yeah. Oh my god. I want to try one of those. What is it? It's extremely humbling. I bet. It's very humbling at 43 years old. Oh my god. I feel like a child. So, I, I already, I see my, I mean, it's like, I, I, now I, I look at people, better now. No. I've been practicing about an average of 25 minutes a day, sometimes two hours, sometimes I miss a whole week. But like, I, no, it's called typing club. Typing club. It's free. And it's fabulous. You literally go through, you know, you get the placement and then the goal is you never look at the keyboard. That's what I'd love to do. It's hard on a, on a laptop with very shallow keys, so if you get one of those, if you get a keyboard that has a clack, clack, clack, you know, those like, I could type right kind of. Yeah. That's preferable. But it's so. It's so difficult, and so now I just avoid the computer if I can or do like voice to text. My children laugh at me because I can't type. I mean, I could type a novel with my thumbs in about two seconds. Right. Because of this, but like, anyways, that's like it. Yeah, I um, the Savage Beauty, I was able to see that at the moment, it was kind of a, it was very surreal because even though I've loved fashion, I've loved art, I went to art school, I love drag and everything. Seeing the, the, the garments, like they're physically was like, kind of cemented the notion that had been a little bit frivolous that that fashion was art. You know what that I mean? These are like just livable, wearable pieces of art. Yeah, yeah, yeah, um, and it was so like it was so moving, it was so dramatic, it was so good. Yeah, and I'm just thinking of like what a tragedy to lose these things and also like, not to get to like, you know, heavy, but like, you know, when conflicts and wars happen and they're bombing like historical sites and then they're gone. And they've ever, it's so crazy. It's so fucked up. What's being built in its place as well? Oh God. Yeah. Don't get me going. 1960s, 1970s architecture in Los Angeles. Not exactly the golden age. Exactly. Oh, I don't the 20s. Exactly. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. If you, if you can get an apartment that was built in the 20s in LA, it's, I lived in the ugliest building that was ever made around 1972 and across the street. They can't be quite nice. That sort of, I'd like, quite like the federal building. It's sort of like, maybe it's a Brutalist. Yes. It's Brutalist. This isn't Brutalist. This is like ugliest. Right. Okay. Okay. It's just like, they literally every, every, at every turn, at every choice of material and design, they said, not ugly enough. And it's also not cheap enough. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. But across the street was the Villa Desté, which was a Spanish revival villa with a pond in the front. And it was like, you've got to look at it. Got to look at it. And then when I went psycho, I actually fell on the pond. Oh, no. It was great. But it was just so, it's such a great, if you ever go to Laurel Avenue in West Hollywood, right across the street, it's like night and day. It's so interesting. Oh, my gosh. And then that's the one thing about London or Europe or anywhere. They're pulling everything down in London. Are they really all these property developers? They just redevelop stuff and no one seems to say anything. Yeah. I guess. Oh, blocks of things just going missing. But like you go to Ghent Belger. If I try to get, if I try to get any planning permission, it's always a no. Really? Yeah. I don't know why. So you can't get anything done. Red tape. Yeah. Red tape. Well, if you go to a Ghent Belger McDonald's, it's in the most ornate rococo. Like, you know, like, or gothic art, you know, cathedral. Oh my god. It's so wild. It's like, we are really starved for visual beauty in Los Angeles, unfortunately. Oh my gosh. In terms of American cities, do you prefer New York? I like both, but I prefer LA in a way because of the weather, even though it's been raining a bit this week. Yeah. Well, when I was-- And I like being eight hours kind of far away from Europe. Yeah. It's like, oh, yeah. I should have been in Japan. That's really far away. I've never been there. I'm dying. Oh, it's so great. I'm really dying to get back. Is it true that you can just sleep on the ground and leave a rob you? That is incredible. Yeah. I think there are only 1000 guns in the whole-- There are only a few thousand guns in the whole of Japan. You know, you'd think that other civil-- other societies like Americans would take a look at that. Yeah. And be like, huh, they seem to have something going on there. Yeah. Are there children? It's also in Ireland, so it's more-- Yeah, that's true. We're just being huge Island. Yeah. I mean, we got, you know, steel spiked fences on the side. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's Japan. What about European countries to visit? What? France, Spain. I grew up in a lot of Spain, Greece, up in the north in a place called Calaicas, which is sort of just about-- you can see France from the mountain I grew up on. It's really, it's really beautiful. I mean, in Mediterranean side. Like, for a lot of Americans don't have a passport, a lot of American people don't have the opportunity to travel. I'm very grateful because of work we get to go places, but it is-- that is truly heartbreaking if not being able to just step foot in some of these other places. Yeah, Italy is so beautiful. And I haven't been nearly enough to Italy. We went to the Amalfi coast. Oh, my God. We went into the postcards. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. We were like, the postcards, we were there. Oh, my God. Through the that thing on the blue-- I've never been. It is-- I mean, I've seen it from a thought, but-- When I got it, I got there very late at night. In the morning when I woke up from my balcony, I was like, it took me like five minutes to realize it wasn't a sound stage or like a, like, it was real. Yeah. It was-- I was like, holy shit. It was the most beautiful place I've ever seen in my life. It was incredible. Oh, my God. You got to go. It's very touristy. Oh, my God. But it's so beautiful. It's like, yeah. What about-- have you been in Russia? I've been twice as St. Petersburg. Yeah. Once in '91. Oh, God. That's such a brilliant time. And then maybe three times, but it was beautiful. Did you like it? Yeah, I did. I've never been to Moscow. Yeah. I'm dying a go. I'm just waiting for, you know, who to get, you know what? Yeah, yeah. And I've been to some exovia states like Kyrgyzstan and Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan. But that was in the early 2000s too. Oh, but there's a musical genre that I'm kind of flirty when now. It's I think it's in-- I'm listening to this band who sings in Bosch Kyr, and it's throat singing. Oh, yeah, yeah. Mungalian throat singing. Yeah. That-- and there's also Central Asian version of it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I was like, this-- I'll share it with you later. It's amazing. To me, it is the sexiest thing I have ever heard in my life. And it's-- This is going to sound like bad, but the way that this guy's voice and there's the vibration and the the-- the tone is like so hot. Yeah, my gosh. I've got to find a throat singer husband. Yeah, absolutely. It's so cool. That's so cool. Yeah, it's so cool. There are so many amazing, sort of-- there are so many amazing things in the world. Yeah, I just-- I got-- Central Asia is a wharf. I mean, I-- every day I watch a documentary about fucking, you know, Uzbekistan or Kyrgyzstan or Turkmenistan or whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's like, oh gosh. It's amazing. And you never-- you didn't realize until you're sort of like in the middle of nowhere on a horse. And as far everything is from everywhere else. Yeah, yeah. It's just literally another planet. Yeah, it really is. And when you're in the high kind of mountains. And all these languages that sometimes have no relationship to any other-- they're like language family, like they trace them back. And there's no relation to any other language. It's so fascinating. It's so fascinating. And also, it's so funny. And in some of those places, when I was there, you'd have kind of, you know, you'd see up in the high mountains, sort of collective farms that had been kind of abandoned, but also statues of Lenin. And then in the-- Yeah, yeah. And then you'd sort of see people that had obviously been brought from kind of Eastern Europe or kind of near Finland. And they were sort of like very out of places, tools sort of blonde people kind of within the population. Yeah. It's really, I guess, you know, they placed people all over, yeah. It's such a big country. It's got-- I think it's got nine time zones. At one point, so it only had 11. 11. At one point? I don't think now. The rest of the relation I think is maybe nine now, but-- And I think it is 11 still. That is fucking crazy. It is crazy. We got three. Yeah. But it's huge. It's huge. I think our-- I think there's what's funny thing is just, I think China's got one time zone. That's crazy. That is crazy. Because that really is huge. But I think they standardized it throughout-- I have to look it up. But I think it-- I think it made the time zones. Yeah. I wonder how they kind of-- How do they finagle that? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's another place I went in Hong Kong that my jaw dropped. Hong Kong was truly breathtaking. It's like New York City jammed into a tropical island. It's like so crazy, so beautiful. That's so amazing. So we have to wrap up soon, but I have a few rapid fire questions. Okay. If you could acquire fluency in a foreign language by chopping off one of your fingers, and you can go up to 10 because you have 10 fingers, would you and if so, which finger in which language would it be? I would chop off my little finger to just speak Japanese again. Okay. Okay. Any more? No. Okay. I like my rings too much. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think I'd probably only have like pointers left. Yeah. I'd love to be able to speak. I mean, I can speak a few languages, but-- What do you speak? I speak French. I speak-- I can understand Spanish. It takes me about two or three weeks to get back into-- Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I can understand Italian, German. Damn. But of Catalan. And that is a distinctly different language than Spanish, right? It's not a dialect. It is a different language. It's kind of more related to some middle French. It's a romance language. Right. Damn. I have a-- I don't speak it, but if I'm there, I can-- You can manage. Yeah. Okay. Wait. Hold on. One second. I asked my friend the guy who introduced to you, I asked him if he had a question for you and he did. - Oh my goodness. - Oh, friends, very good. Okay, let's see, I believe yesterday was Isabella Blasberthe, does Daphne have a favorite piece from the collection? - I'd say the Jack the Ripper, it's a jacket, which is beautiful. - What is it? - Describe it. - We'll put it up on the slide for the piece. - Yeah, it's difficult to describe it, it's got two long tails and it's kind of got a sort of wired back. And also he sewed her hair into a little plastic, I mean, they're kind of amazing. It's incredible, damn. I got a, I remember I purchased an Alexander McQueen dress, it was designed by Sarah Burton, anything. But it was just a knit dress and it was such an outrageous, I mean, for me it was like, I was like, I'm going to spend so much on this fucking stretch dress and I'm just not wear the shit out of it. And I just like, did it last? - Yeah, I love it. I love it so much. - Oh my God, that's so good. - I look, I just like, open the closet and I just look at it sometimes. - I know what you mean, I kind of just like looking at my things, not wearing them because I don't want them to come, because you can't get anything nearly as nice these days. - No, everything's shit. - Yeah. - I mean, I think I got the shirt in Chicago. - I think I got the shirt in Chicago. - We haven't tried a kind of sauce, anything good. It's really difficult. - I mean, it is like, I- - Good problem, Sarah. - I so, yeah. I mean, I so, it's one of my hobbies and I, then there is no greater satisfaction than actually constructing a garment and then wearing it. - That's true. - And the cool thing about sewing, I think, is that you'll never get perfect at it. You'll never be perfect. There's so many things you'll never learn. - Oh my God. - Like techniques of like, 'cause like, in all these, like, italias, these incredible Italian women are like, they sew appliqués onto tool. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh my God, it's amazing. - You know what I mean? It's amazing. - They do that for the rest of their lives and then one person does, you know, they do the hems on whatever, and it's so specialized and it's so skilled and now it's just like, pumping out trash from the fast-faction factory. - I know, it's really sad. - Yeah. I mean, do you, I like slow fashion. - That's the other question is, like, don't you think the fashion industry needs to chill? - Chill. - They do need to chill and then just- - It's great to start. - It's great to start. - Resort, ready to wear. - It's ridiculous. - No, it's ridiculous. - Like, why? - I don't know. - Like, that's five or six elections a year. - Oh gosh, more. Sometimes, I mean, I think up to sort of 25, 30 elections, because then they got accessories and they got this and they got- - Oh yeah, the handbags. I think you need to get on the phone and make some phone calls. I mean, you got to tell everybody to just chill for a little bit. - Yeah, they do need it. Yeah, I think so. - It's so, it's too much too fast to end. It's like- - Yeah, and it's gone so quickly. - And then it's like the, because of the, you know, the way everything is so globally accessible. It's like, well, I've seen that. I've seen that. And then it's like, the brain wants to move so fast. - Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. - Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - What's your favorite movie? - Oh my gosh. Well, it would probably be either, sort of like, like, sunset Boulevard, or- - Okay. - I'm ready. Oh, Mr. Timille, I'm ready for my fruit call. - Yeah. - I love that. - I love that. - I love that. - I love that. - I love that. - I love that. - I love that. - Oh my god. - I love it. - I love it. Okay, sunset Boulevard. - It's like a movie. - Well, that's kind of a shitty question. - Well, I don't want to be hating anymore. - I don't want to be hating anymore. - I don't want to be hating. - Um. - My controversial take is recommend for a dream sucks. Sorry. - I've never seen it. - Don't. - Okay. Thank you. That's one off my list. - I do suggest, I've seen the September issue, the documentary. Have you seen that? - No. - I've seen it about 10 times. - Is it great? - I believe it is. - I'm gonna see it. - It just follows Anna Winter at Vogue. During the September issue around 2000 and early 2000s, I think. 2009. It's a fabulously paced, gripping, wonderful slice of life. - Oh, brilliant. - Yeah. It's something like splashy or like, you know, it's interesting. - Interesting. And Grace Connington is wonderfully featured. - She's brilliant. - She's so brilliant. And I chased her down in New York City once. And I think I scared the shit out of her. But I just like, I had to say hi and say I love you when I just ran the other way. - Oh my goodness. - It's so, yeah. Okay, we have to fucking end. - It's been such a pleasure. - We have to plug, plug, plug. - Oh my goodness. So it plugged. Oh yes, I've got a single light which came out last week, I think. - Okay. - That was made in a day. And it's up on YouTube. - Yeah. And it's on fucking iTunes and Spotify. - iTunes and Spotify and Title. - So if you don't, and it will be on vinyl record. - Oh hell yeah. - For the oldies. - For the oldies. - To be or not to be. I know I was listening only here. - Yeah. - At the buzzer. - It's so weird. - It's so weird. - Yeah. - So if you don't download it, I will unalive myself. Pew pew. - Pew pew. - You can find, I implore you to watch a Japanese YouTube channel. All the videos are unbelievably beautiful. - Oh thank you so much. - And it's rare that like we hawk shit that sucks sometimes. So this is a rare opportunity to like really point them into the direction of people beautiful. So thank you so much for being here. You are a legend. - Thank you. - Yay. (upbeat music) (upbeat music)