Dana White, Sam Jay, Brent Faiyaz, Sean O’Malley, Wiz Khalifa, Steve-O and Sloane Stephens

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They are playing y'all for fools. Catch Roland Martin's daily commentary on the black information networks. And download Roland Martin unfiltered on the I Heart Radio app Apple Podcast. Oh, wherever you get your podcasts. What's up, it's P on this episode of the shop myself a maver joined by an amazing group. Dana White. I thrive on the negativity. Sam Jay. I don't need anybody like me. Brent Fias. I'm like a firm believer and don't do nothing that you're not passionate about. Whisk Khalifa. I want to educate people through music and through my writing. Steve O. Describe myself as an attention more. Sean O'Malley. I know that if I land this on someone's chin that I can knock them out. At Sloan Stevens. If you come like ready to go, you're good. Check it out now. Steve, what are you doing, buddy? Yeah, I'm doing great, man, thank you. We all grew up. I mean, Jack, I mean, we can put a group on it. It was very thoughtful, but a bit true and all, but funny as hell. But then you guys obviously did this stuff where you were like hurt each other, really. Yeah, they're different lanes. Different lanes. Different lanes. How did you guys come up with those lanes, eh? And then you guys always seem like every episode was like, shit, they really went too far. And in the next episode, you just go just like try and push it further and further. Yeah. I would say that the origin of everything is just an overdeveloped need for attention. I describe myself as an attention whore. Of course, yeah. Yeah, and people that I always ask, like, man, you got this crazy pain threshold and it's not the case, man. I just have a need for attention that outweighs my need for comfort. Wow. I just, I see that. Yeah. I didn't know people asked. I was like, how did you build your pain threshold? Yeah. I mean, if I was like, if I didn't feel pain, then I wouldn't be like scared and it wouldn't be like fun or funny to watch. But do you do, is that also in private life, or do you need people to be watching it happen? Right. Meaning are you pulling right right right? Right. Being having pain and we're not paying attention. Yeah. Yeah. If nobody's around, then it's not going down. That's an amazing, like, to admit that. A lot of people don't talk about, like, because that word attention or it can be deemed bad. I think it's stupid to deem it as a bad thing. Right. I mean, I think most people's favorite topic is themselves and I'm just cool to admit that. You know? I love that. Yes. Yeah. Exactly. That's me, man. That's you. Yeah, dude. I rock. That's amazing. I love it. I love it. You were willing to admit that. I was reading a funny joke today that somebody said, it was on Instagram. He said, my favorite part about Jinsy, I think I said, my favorite part about Jinsy is they've rebranded selfish to be self-care and it's like, I mean, self-care is good. Like, Binks, I always tell people in our company, you hear this all the time, like, be fucking selfish. It's like, the best place that they explain this is on an airplane, what do they say? If the mass dropped down, put yours on first, you can help others, but you're going to have love yourself first. And I love that you admit that, like, but the fact that you're willing to hurt yourself is further live ago. I always watched Jackass and, like, part of me was very detained and a part of me was like, these white boys are sad, like, why are they? And they're nuts, sacks like this, like, someone's in return to make sure everybody's mentally okay in this situation. Right. But they just wanted attention. Did everybody, does the rest of the cast feel that way, like, just attention, attention, attention? And the other guys were always able to kind of turn it off at the end of the day, a little bit better. Then you? Yeah. Meaning when the camera's one off? Well, yeah. I mean, like, I was kind of wild, a lot, I was a lot to be around, but then again in the early days, like, I was always, like, loaded, you know, now I've been clean at sober for some time. Oh, God, that's awesome. That's awesome. You mentioned pain a lot, and we'll get to UFC in a second, if this man's in the pain business. It's not often that you can really cut through on something, right? We've kind of seen it all and done it all, but then you came through with power slap. And I don't think anyone hasn't seen that and not had a reaction, I had to come about when you first saw it. It was just the craziest thing ever. That's exactly how it started. So when I saw it popping up on social media in like 2017 and 18, I was like, holy shit, what the fuck is this? And I started to take a deeper dive into it and look at it and at the first of all, it looked like it was filmed on a flip phone, you know, in a barn somewhere and it was coming out of Russia and Poland and it had 350 million views on YouTube. And at that time, I was like a Justin Bieber video and I was like, this is crazy. So I started getting into it, started to watch a lot of the matches and I said, what would happen if I did this and actually made it legit, made it a sport, got it sanctioned. You could bet on it and the list goes on and on. The answer is 17 months. I started it. Six billion views worldwide. And the thing is, the most successful thing I've ever been a part of in a short amount of time. We have more sponsors than the UFC had in seven years. And the thing is an absolute beast. And it's a joke. And you're all worried about, because the backlash is, someone's going to get really hurt in this thing. I'm in the backlash business, man. Which is what I love about you. You don't get back down from it. I feel the pulse of what people are interested in and are fascinated by and what they want to see. And at the end of the day, I'm in the fight business and fighting sells. Fighting works everywhere. It doesn't matter what color you are, what country you come from, what language you speak, we're all human beings and fighting's in our DNA. We get it and we like combat sports, period. And that's what I do. Maybe slapping the shit out of each other. I saw that shit the other day slapping the shit. I thought there was one guy that I was going to win. When y'all was watching the fight, the other day at the ArmyCrip, and when y'all he looked like he was about to win it, right? And then the other guy, the other guy, he switched hands. He came with the left. Oh, he came from the side. And the shit out his ass. He was over. So what's crazy is when you think about it, is what I sell are holy shit moments. You know what I mean? Of course. Whether you're at the UFC or it's a boxing match or whatever it is, we're all there for that moment. Whether you're in the arena, you're at home or you're in a bar where everybody just jumps up at the same time. It was holy shit and we're all looking at each other. One, two, holy shit. Every time. Every. Every slap. It would be like, if you ever see if two guys got in the middle of the ring and just said we're not going to fuck skills. You punched me, I punched you with that. That's what everybody wants. Somebody get knocked out. We're not going to see that. You could see it every single couple of seconds. There is skill to it because it got different technique. Some people come way front of bottom and they come up like, what the hell? Some people come straight across the face, some like, there's got to be some level of skill set to try to smack the shit out of my fuckers. So I started this thing 17 months ago and already there's two knockoff leagues in Brazil. A knockoff league just popped up in Korea and this stuff started in Russia and. That's good. You like that one. Because that's the sport being promoted and other play is good for you, right? And that's how you start to build. That's how you start to build personalities. Do you have a limit, though? Like, is there a level like a fight? Like, you like that's crazy. I'm not going to shut it. Like, would you have like a, like, just kicking the nuts league with you? [ Laughter ] I don't know. I think we're going to accept the deal. [ Laughter ] Is it just getting set kicked in or something? It has to be something that I'm actually, that I'm actually into and. So I, you guys might remember this, but back in 1718, when we first started seeing this stuff on social media, there was a big Russian dude with a beard. His name was dumpling. You guys might remember it. If it was-- I know the face. I know the face. I do. I literally just found this guy in Russia and signed him. So on our next, on our next event, our next event is in Vegas at the Fountain Blue. Wow. Yeah, so this thing is already incredibly impressive. This is true, right? The women crush it. The numbers that the women pull are huge. And whoever's the crossover meaning, like, a slap on a UFC card? No, no, no. I keep them completely set. Keep them completely set. I love your passion. I like the post-slapped interviews and shit like that. [ Laughter ] I love-- these are people that you could tell with slap the shit I'm motherfuckers for free. [ Laughter ] They're so passionate about slapping the shit I'm telling. They're right slapping. For real. What's crazy to me is the way that Dana just thrives on criticism and negative comments. - Talk about attention, he's-- - Yeah, like the response on social media. If you look at it, people are just like, "Oh, no, this is the worst thing ever." And Dana just gets a kick out of it. You know, and for me, I'm a pretty sensitive guy. Like when you get down to it, you know? Like if I see negative comments and stuff, like, I gotta think to myself, what would Dana do? (laughing) How would Dana handle this? And it's just, I gotta just take the position that the entire world can suck my dick. (laughing) - You said so true. - I thrive on the negativity. I love the negativity, I embrace it. You'll see lots of people turn their comments off when they post something that's what, don't turn your comments off, embrace it. And the thing that you have to remember is, there's eight billion people in the world. So there's gonna be a group of people that don't like it, but there's a lot of people who do. - And that's what everything you do, you know what I mean? - 100%, I always say that about comedy. Like, people are just gonna be people who ate my jokes. Like, I'm not looking for everybody to like, I'm just looking for my million people. If I could find my million out of all these people, I'm good to go. - You're dead on it. - I don't need, I don't need everybody, like-- - Have you always been-- - Absolutely right. - Yeah, man, 'cause I, you know, I grew up with a big family and stuff. I'm a grandma, that 11 kids, I had a bunch of cousins. So my friendships were all kind of baked into my family. So even when I was being schooled and stuff, if I didn't make friends at school, it didn't really matter to me 'cause I was like, I'm just going home and playing with my cousins. Like I have this whole other outlet to like being myself. So that kind of, like, being like thing, I don't think I really got that way 'til I started like girls. And then I wanted girls to be like, man, that's when that kind of shit started baking in my head. But I was like, how'd it get someone on my side? But when I was a kid, I was like-- - You always like that, Dana, too? - Yeah, oh yeah. Listen, not everybody's gonna like you personally. Not everybody's gonna like what you do. Not everybody, but you have to embrace the hate, too. I say this to the fighters all the time. You know, if you're the type of fighter that comes in and the crowd goes crazy and goes nuts, awesome. If you're the type of fighter that walks in and everybody booze you, fucking crowdable. - That's great, too. - Right, it's awesome. What you don't want to be is the person that nobody gives a shit one way or the other about the thing. - You know what I mean? You just walk in and there's fucking nothing. - You want me? - I got 100%. - I do think you need to like break up the slap shit. Though like you sometimes you should do like special events, like it's all pimp slapping, right? It's pimp slapping. Who got the best pimp slap? You know what I'm saying? - It's like baby pot of slaps, wow, you know what I'm saying? - We're going through this because we'll see. We'll see. - And then, you know, the other thing, care isn't until you've got the hate. You have been related. - If you're not offended, somebody's not impactful. - Do you feel that way right and hit records? - Definitely. - To you? - I feel like everything got to have a little bit of, I feel like it's all about making people feel something. Whether or not they like what they feel is up to them, but they have to feel something. - When you go on to right and records, you're like, oh, I'ma make somebody feel something. - I know, I feel it. So I'm like, they gon' feel it, you know? - God, you can feel it when you're right. - Yeah. - Now, do you go on to it with a feeling and put that feeling on the page? You're like, oh, I just wrote something and this makes me feel something. - Yeah, like I'm right, I'm like-- - The toxicity dripping out of me. (all laughing) - Like, man, I'm like, this is, this one hits a little bit. Yeah, I like this one, gotta keep going. - This one hits, and are you going like, I want women to feel this one in a certain way? Are men like, are you, are you just like, people gon' feel it? - I mean, when it comes to music, it's all, I feel like that's one of those mediums that kinda makes it so your general matter, right? Like, when you listen to music, we all got ears, right? So it's like, you gonna hear it, you gonna feel it, and it's gonna make you feel the type of way, so. I don't know, I think it's just all about like, what you say at the perfect time, too. Like, you could say one part on a upbeat and it gives a completely different effect versus if you say it like on a downbeat, so. I think it's just timing. So like, you gotta slap the shit out, don't you, I mean? (laughing) And reading your bio, Steve, and I mean this, with the utmost respect, I kinda thought I was being punked by the crew a little bit, because your bio is that you went to Ringling Brothers College, which I didn't know was a clown college. Clown College, right? - Clown College, right? And then you graduated, and then you didn't get put on the circus tour, and then you ended up being a clown at a flea market. - Correct. - Is that the right jerk? Talked us about like-- - That was 100% correct. My first day of filming for Jackass was my last day of performing at the flea market circus. - Wow. - Like, within a half an hour of washing off my clown makeup for the last time in the circus, I was barfing up a goldfish at the side of the road, because my car broke down in the whole crew, it just had to pull over to the side of the road and figure out what they were gonna do. They were like, "Go get the fish." - Wow. - Wow. - And so that was-- - It was three years. I never knew that story. I didn't know you went to clown college. - Yeah, it did. - That's fascinating. - I dropped out of college in 1993, and I was just like, "I'm gonna become a crazy famous stuntman." And in 1993, there was no precedent for that. There wasn't even internet. They didn't have email. Like, everybody I'd told my plan to just felt sorry for me. And I was fucking homeless for three years. And then I found out about the clown college, and I thought, "Man, if I graduate "for Ringling Brothers and Barnum and Billy Clown College, "then all of a sudden, I'm a trained circus professional, "and people are gonna take me seriously as a stuntman." - I'm gonna be in the clown as they take me. - Yeah. - And it kind of worked that way. - Is the curriculum at clown college like, rigorous? It's like a-- - It was, man. It was rigorous as fuck, dude. We trained for 14 hours every day. By the time it was done, after just two months, it was more like boot camp. I had fallen in love with the idea of joining the circus, but I wasn't one of the clowns that got a contract. - Mm. - Well, thank God for you. - Right. - It worked out. - Thanks, good, thank you. - That's great. - That's great. - That's very kind. - You started off wanting to be a rapper, right? - Right. - I mean, you still do rap, but you were like, "I know and love." The music I love is a singer, not a rapper. - Yeah. - But the beginning of your career is all rap, right? - Yeah. I mean, there's just so many rappers, though, man. I was like, shit, I can sing, I might as well just be a singer. I get on a little quicker. So many rappers. But you were dead set on being a rapper for me. - Yeah, my whole life I wanted to be a rapper. - Really? - Yeah, hell yeah. I was passing out CDs of school and shit and wore a backpack full of 'em and I was making beats and selling 'em. I was a super like rap kid. - You heard me? - Well, you're a rapper, like. - This is what you're, what you're an army. - The same shit. - How about the same shit for real? It was like early, like soundcloud rap. The only people who use soundcloud at that time were people who made music and share beats with each other. But yeah, I was a rapper. - Have you been formally trained as a singer? - Yeah, you just did this shit on your own. - Yeah, I took mad classes and did the whole thing. And I would show up late, but I still show up, you know? (laughing) Like I was always been a piss-poor student. So even when it comes to vocal coaching and things like that, I'm like, I'm a shitty student, but I still show up. - You still take lessons, though? - Yeah. - And you're still late. You even later now because you're rich and famous, so you must be even more late now. - I still, I'm a tourist as a whole nother animal, though. Like it's one thing to be able to record in the studio, but then to perform for an hour, night after night, after night, after night, it takes training just so your voice won't go crazy. So it's a level of training it takes just to not lose your voice throughout the tour. - Yeah, people, yeah, your muscles in your throat, you have to really train them exactly. - It's crazy, I wasn't prepared for that, but I had to get right for that. - And you'll give our beats, by the way. - Don't thank you, you get a barbell, man, don't. - No, you don't. - No, he doesn't. - There's all different levels, don't like, you just do different levels. - You didn't just say, "Chahee, okay, okay, I'll take that." - I'll take that. - Hands in love, you know what? - I'll say good. - Everything, oh, you'll leave. - And wait for the split, yeah. - And, bro, what's that, I was gonna say transition, maybe it hasn't been, but like, from being an artist, to having your own label, having art, like, how do you spend your time? What's that like? - I've been independent my whole career, so I've kind of been sitting in an executive seat before I really realized it. I was having to make a lot of decisions and learn about my budget and all of these things before I knew that that was something that artists typically won't have to do. So, it was nothing for me to be able to take that same blueprint that worked for my career and then use that to facilitate other people's careers, you know, going where they're supposed to go. And I started off in the production game, like, before I was even rapping, I was on beats. So, I knew how, I knew after early, like, how splits work and how publishing works and how, you know. So, he's been celebrating a big wave for that, became a massive star and never signed what a record company. So, he owns all of his own shit. That's how you got some fucking rich. - That's brilliant. - That's a brilliant sign. - And hard to do. - Oh yeah. - And then, you know, being involved in the business side, knowing the budget and what everything costs and where the money's going. Brilliant, yeah. - How did you-- - How did you resist? - It's every label won't design you. I remember when you just did your deal with your master's, it was like a massive thing. And then, everybody's like, "Everybody wants Brad." - Where's Brad going? - Where's Brad going? - Honestly, I'm more just, I do things, like, based off the people, right? So, if I like who I meet with, like, I do things based off that. Because I'm a creative first, I'm like a firm believer and don't do nothing that you're not passionate about. So, I feel like oftentimes people be wanting to get rich and they worry so much about the money that they end up never getting rich. When I feel like it's really a win, if you just enjoy what you're doing. So, I could take a meeting with somebody that's offering me everything in the world, but if I don't fucking like you, then I'm not going to do shit with you. - Exactly. - So, just something as simple as that. Like, is this somebody I'm really have to be able to have conversations with? Like, am I going to pick up when they call? If the answer is no, then I can't work with you. - For sure. - I think one of the things that I personally selfishly love about this show and this platform is talking to people like that have built something, right? And you obviously have built the UFC. One thing that I would like to say, was blown away by is, when you first bought UFC, you had just given the name UFC right now. - What came in the blue shitty arc? - Yeah, like what came in like it wasn't the end-pire that it is. - Well, when you look at the UFC at the time, it was going bankrupt. So the owner at the time had stripped the thing down. He had sold off the, you know, the video rights, the video games, the merchandise. All the things that surround the brand were all sold off. So all we bought were the three letters and which weren't even really protected legally and an old wooden octagon. So when you really think about, you know, when people look at the UFC now and like, oh, you bought it for two million, and now it's worth this, they have no idea what it really takes to build something like that. Like his story, what he was just saying is ironic that you're here today and we're talking about this. I literally just saw this thing on Instagram where it said, I don't know, you can't believe everything you fucking see on Instagram. This is what I saw and this is my knowledge of the UFC. So they basically said, guy like this pops up, they think he has talent. A record company doesn't deal with him. They invest $250,000 in him getting in the studio making an album. Does well, he goes on tour, dot, dot, dot. And by the end of it, it said, you know, there was $5 million in revenue, right? Then they take something like 80% of that money, then they charge him for the tour, the this, that, all this other shit. And now it's negative. He's negative, a half a million dollars. And that floats over to the next album, that negativity, and it just goes on and on and on. It's Instagram was right. That's what it was. That's how it'd be so. Nobody fucking believed in this thing at all. Nobody thought that this thing was going to be big. Nobody thought it was going to work except for three guys. Me, Frank and Lorenzo Fertida. What, why'd you guys believe? There were a lot of different reasons why we believed this would work. I thought it was more exciting than boxing. Once I got into it, there were better stories. You know, there were so many different people from so many different walks of life. Boxing had the same story. I came from the main streets of such and such. If it wasn't for boxing, I'd be dead or in jail. That was like every guy's story in boxing. You know, it was just, we thought there was better stories to tell and that the sport was more exciting. What I'm really ready for is to get rid of all the fucking boxing promoters and let Dana run boxing. I love boxing. We need you to run fucking boxing at that time. I know you probably get that all the time. We'll be slapping the shit out of each other. The promoters should just get out like they, it's just not, I love boxing. I'm in every time. But we need you to fucking run. I mean, I love you, see. Why are you a fan? I am, I am. I get to fight. But it took me a while to get into it because at first, it does just come off like barbaric as fuck. And just like, you can't passively watch it. Oh yeah, you gotta really watch it. Yeah, it's like, I'm really watching people. Eat pizza and wings and then just see this. I don't know if I should be watching this, you know what I mean? There's like that little, like, what does this make me? Are we going back to the Colosseum in Rome? Are we pulling out lions next? Where are we going as a society, you know? I think that's a natural logical question that you have. We see that type of brutality displayed. But the more I watch it, the more I got into the skill set of it, and the training of it, and like, this isn't just, you know, while people just get in and doing whatever, is people that really train for this. There's a science behind it, just as much as there's a science behind boxing, about how to move someone around the octagon, how to get them in certain positions you want them in. And just as a fan of sports, once I understand the sport of something, I'm usually like, all the way in the fucking two. So you know what needs to happen to you? You gotta come to a live event, my wrong? Oh my God. You gotta come to a live event, it will fucking blow your mind. Yeah, I got it. It'll be the greatest live sporting event you've ever been to. I like it, you know. We both did the Grady Road. Yeah. And I gotta get you to work. You gotta get me to one now. I'm telling you. I can only go of you, bring me to. I want, I want some blood to my body. I'm addicted to this shit after you go to a live one. Sam just went from it's two bar back to it. I want some blood. Blood. That's quick, yeah. Once a man, no man. Yes, he is definitely one of the sports that you got to prepare for. Like, you gotta know that you about to watch a UFC fight and then tune into it. You can't just be at Dave and Buster's and you kicking shit too. You feel me on a date and then you see somebody your head gets split to front open. It'll catch you off guard a little bit. So like, even like baseball, basketball, shit like that, like you can like kind of watch a little bit. Casually watch some crazy, you feel me? Shit happens, you left back to it. UFC, it's like the second is on your life. Captivated. So true. Sam, but what do you think about what Jerry said? Do you know Jerry, I said, you know? I don't know personally. I don't know. Wait, who said what? Somebody said something about masculine. Jerry, what do you say exactly? Just kind of, in essence-- He misses the days of dominant basketball. Yeah, I don't know, man. Sometimes, if this is gonna sound like an asshole thing to say, sometimes I just wish like older people would be quiet. It's like everything, everything. We don't even know everything that you feel or you're thinking about everything. It's like, I get what you say, bro, but it sounds like a time. Like it's like, bro, like, I don't know. There was a way to say that and I don't-- this idea of like, I just won't feel like-- 'cause in my mind, like, you're talking like Clint Eastwood, like, what are you actually asking for? Because real men are just existing in a different time. And I don't necessarily think there's this idea that masculinity is dead, but I think it's just evolving. I think sometimes the loud voices are the ones that seem to be anti-certain things. But overall, I just think the idea of masculinity, what it is, and what it can be, and what it can look like, is just evolving as things should. And I think all things will still exist. And I think people want all things. Like, I mean, as a woman, it's like, yo, I still appreciate like a lumberjack looking dude who look like he could take care of some shit. Like, when someone comes in my house to fix something, I like that they look like they know how to fix shit. Because you don't want to harm being a gay show. No, I don't want to. No silky boy showin' up. I'm gonna do some real energy out of that. But there's energy for the silky boy. Well, I'm like, I would appreciate the silky boy at this moment. I don't think there's room for the scope of what it is. Civilized crazy. But do you think about like, obviously, an R&B that's a part of it, like, sexism and masculine? Even Sizzle, like, she wrote, I just, you know, her song, she can't wear that shit. But she, you know what I mean? You look stupid shit. Do you actually have a thought about any of that when you're writing? Or you're just writing how you fuckin' feel? No, I don't even think about that. Like, it's more just how I feel in that moment, how everybody feel in that room while I'm making it. So like, I enjoy, people call it toxic. I like, I call it imperfect. Like, I like the imperfections. I like saying something that other people might be afraid to say, or taking a record emotionally where people wouldn't have thought it was gonna go. Like, I enjoy that. As I kind of figured it out and found my way, I found my voice. I figured out what I am. I can still be nuts. And trust me, I'm nuts. I'm not done being nuts. Like, I'm literally about to get a fuckin' boob job for my next show. That's awesome. I'm keeping my tits in for two months. You can have mine. Two months. I mean, she said you could have her. I want mine gone. What do you see? Yeah, I mean, I'm gonna go. Like, it's, my next show is, you know what I mean? It's called, "Steva's Gone Too Far Tour." That's my tour. Oh, gosh. And I'm like, I just had, you're gonna do what? I'm gonna get a fuckin' boob job. I'm gonna fuckin' have my tits for, like, about two months to just film pranks and stunts. What is the whole thing? I'm gonna talk you out of this. (laughing) How big, you know what I'm talking about? How big you can get 'em? As big as I can fuckin' get 'em. For real, you're gonna go, like, super titties? Like, I mean, as big as it can work, you know? And like, she's had the most fuckin' insane writing session with Johnny Knoxville and Jeff Tremaine. Like, and our Jackass director. And, you know, like, it's gonna fuckin', I'm gonna be like the guy, ah. I'm gonna call you when I get in the car. (laughing) I'm gonna talk you out of this. This is, this is crushing, Dana, since I'm fuckin'-- You know what, like, it's like, it's like, it's like, Dana said, spinning it at that. It's like, Dana said, don't be the guy, that nobody gives a fuck about one way or the other, you know? And like, like you said, push the boundaries, you know? Like, oh, you thought I went too far, then the next time, like-- - So, here's the real thing, Steve, oh. What I'm hearing you actually say, attention is the thing you're addicted to. - I mean, I don't know. Like, what I'm, I'm turning 50 years old. And, you know, I've been, like, getting in the best shape that I possibly can. I wanna stay in the best shape I possibly can. But, I'm not fooling myself that this jackass thing is something that goes on for, for decades, physical stunts. I mean, this is really gonna be like, all right, after this-- - This is the-- - This is the crazy. - We gotta get 'em back. - We gotta get the tests. - Yeah, we gotta get 'em back on the shop. - Yes, yes. - Steve was leaving us, guys. Steve was-- (laughing) - We gotta get you to the studio as well, I believe, right? - I love you too, man. - Appreciate you, everybody. - I'm here, too. - Let's go, appreciate you having me. - I ain't coming to the studio though. 'Cause I'm not right, I'm gonna make you, I'm gonna make you rap, man. - Huh? - No, we'll, we'll come. - Oh, we'll come. - Let's do this one. - That's no. - Dad, I want to ask you, you know, what up, Wiz? We got Wiz coming on the shop, y'all. - Wiz, what's good? - What's up, y'all? - Are you, are you? - Shut up, y'all. - What up, you good? - You good? - It's really good to see you, man. - Good to see you. Good. What's up, Sam? Is that a hobby? How have you not survived that, but how have you thought of that? How have you thought of, like, there's always another story. You've always been able to create the next big star of UFC. I'm like, "I'm gonna start with UFC really quick." We go, "Right on time." This should have been-- Speak of the devil. Exactly, right on time. He's a good fella. Oh, shit, I'm not smoking one. Yeah, all right, all right, I'll listen. So, I mean, he walked right on time. Yeah, he took a lot of stars. So I focused on finding up and coming talent. I focused on putting on the best fights that we could possibly put on, um, the in-house live production and the television production. You stay true to what you do, you can't fuck this thing up, right? There's always new stars coming up, right? And what we do is we give these kids the ability-- he started on the contender series, right? So, before he ever set foot in the UFC, he came on to put an unbelievable performance on. Snoop was yelling, "Oh, Malley, oh, Malley, and everybody's gonna fucking crazy." And millions of people saw him before he ever even set foot in the octagon off that show. So that's what we're always looking to do is who's next, who's the next young talent coming up. And what's incredible is, this many people can become world champions in the UFC. Sure. When you do it, you're special. Sam, talk about that because there's a version of that in comedy, too, like getting a special one on HBO or Netflix is like being a world champion or being in the UFC main event, right? Oh, well, a lot, a lot chiller without getting hit. But you get boozed, you can go. You know what? You can get boozed, right? Let me start here. So we do this show called Looking for a Fight. We put ourselves in uncomfortable positions and do all the shit, right? So we said, let's do a fucking comedy club. Let's go to a comedy club and do stand-up comedy. We have to write our own jokes. And I've been to a comedy club. There's fucking five or six people there, whatever. The place sold out, right? Because they found out we were doing this. We had to go in and do stand-up comedy. It is the fucking hardest thing ever. I don't mean to be with that. It's hard. Well, didn't you get on stage doing stand-up? One fucking time. Well, how long? I had to go in a minute. And I cheated. I had a real comedian right now. Oh, damn. I can't explain to you how fucking felt going up on that stage, right? I said, I will never do this again. Then I get called for the Brady fucking thing. I was fucked up for three days after the break. I'm telling you right now, physically, I was fucked up. That's what I'm telling you. Getting it's the most underrated thing of all time. Having a bad night feels like-- No, it's devastating. If you have a bad night, it feels like getting fucked up, right? Well, you know what it is? Yeah, because like, with stand-up, like, if you're-- In my opinion, if you're doing it correct, and you're being vulnerable up there, and you're got them just like revealing who you are. So when they reject it, they're rejecting you, you know? Like, if they don't like my jokes, it's like, oh, you don't like me. Because this is like, how I think, and this is who I am. And it's like a whole room of people deciding, like, you ain't it. All at once, and there's no filter between you and them. There's no beat playing. There's nothing else to distract them. They're just kind of looking at you like, nah, I'm not fucking feeling you. They're telling you, fuck up. Yeah, so it can definitely spin you. By the time you're at a special phase or you're doing that kind of stuff, I mean, you've really been through the gauntlet. You've been state-to-state a little bit out of the country. You've kind of felt the sting of it, like, not working everywhere, but you've also felt the winds of it working, you know what I mean? So it is like, you know, I mean, I wouldn't want to do anything else though. But you didn't start off as a comedian, right? No, no, no, no, no. I mean, I started off kind of just doing all types of works. You were doing marketing, I think. I was like, working in music, and I was like, managing artists a little bit. And I was kind of like just floating around in the background of different like creative spaces. Maybe I wanted to be a producer and all this kind of different stuff. But I mean, that was just me kind of like ducking and hiding from myself a little bit and kind of being afraid to put myself out there and thinking I could prop myself up by someone else's talent. You always wanted to be a comedian. I always wanted to be a comedian, all right? Yeah. But since I was a kid, I loved it. I was always kind of super aware of what it was and that it was a skill set. And I knew people weren't just up there running their mouths, but that they were actually doing something up there. And I was very interested in the mechanics of comedy, very young and like timing and all that kind of stuff. And when you decided they fucking go for it, like fucking, I'm gonna put myself in. How hard was that jump? And then when was the first night that you had a rough night that they were like, we're not feeling this shit. You're not making us laugh tonight. I used to go all the way out to New Hampshire and Maine and all that shit to do stand up because I was scared to do it in my neighborhood. Like Hampton Beach? Yeah, so I would go way far out to figure it out. Because I didn't want to bomb like in my neighborhood around my friends and shit. So I was like, I'll just go to New Hampshire. I don't know these white people and I'll never see them again. So this doesn't work out. I'll just leave this here in the middle of the woods in New Hampshire and go like live my life in Boston. And I had went up to like Derry and I was doing like my first hour in the sky. This ambitious promoter was like, I think you're ready to do hour. And he gave me an hour and I'd never done an hour. And he was like in this bar and I bombed for an hour. It was a pretty hour hour. That was a true you were bombing. Oh, like five minutes in. Oh shit! I was like, you're gonna keep going. Yeah, but I mean, I got paid for an hour and I wanted to do an hour. I was like, fuck it. I mean, I got to learn how to stand up here. A part of it's just learning how to take the hits and be in it. Do you lean into it? Like, yeah, I know I'm bombing. Yeah, I can't not be present. So I can't just keep going. I'm like, I have to acknowledge like, this is not going great. But I just kept digging deeper. Yeah, do you regret it? It's not like you're going into a fucking city comedy club. Well, there's a lot of diversity. You're going into fucking Derry New Hampshire. Yeah. Where it's like, yeah. Yeah. That's fascinating, actually. It's all about like Roxbury and there's this kind of like, we don't care. We don't care. We don't care. We don't care. We don't care. We don't care. We don't care. And being black and gay at the time and I'm doing like stuff about my girl. And they're just like, yeah, we can't really relate to any of this shit. But I had to learn how to like, serve it up where everybody could feel invited. You know, I think that's the first mistake a lot of people make is they do shit like that. And they're like, this doesn't work because people aren't into diversity or this doesn't work because people don't accept me because I'm black or it's because they don't accept me for it. And it's like, nah, you just didn't really put the package on it that invites everybody to sit down. I love that. I love that. You've isolated yourself within whatever that identity block you put yourself in and people just don't have an access point to kind of understand it. So doing that shit kind of taught me how to give people access points so that they can not just be like, I, this is a world I don't get, you know. Just a little more. That's brilliant to think about that. Yeah, just a little shit. Not saying I'm gay and I go on stage like very early, I was like, oh, don't do that anymore. I don't need to present the fact that I'm gay. Just go up and talk. It's very clear what you've got fucking going on. Just go up and say what you got to say, you know what I'm saying? Like all these little things you can do with language that don't limit people feeling like they could be included. This is fucking brilliant. If somebody is out there listening to this that wants to be a comedian, that's actually a brilliant approach. And I think it's a brilliant approach for anybody that's right, like when you're using words to bring people in, it's a brilliant approach. I just learned a whole fucking lot listening to, for sure, about how to think about anything that has to be creative or written about how you don't limit it at all. Right. Because if I just go like, yo, my girlfriend did this, then everybody's like, well, I dated somebody. If you're a dude, you're like, I have a girlfriend. But if I'm like, as a black gay woman in a relationship, it's like, all right, bitch. I'm just your audience, yeah. We don't care. I'm not a black gay woman in a relationship. So you immediately separated me from this conversation. That's fucking brilliant. Wait, I was just curious, since the roast, have you noticed a big difference in people talking to you since the roast? It's crazy. Mostly women are like, you need to Google these. Yeah. Because that thing crushed it. Yeah. It's called massive numbers. It's crazy. Like in like different people recognize, I think that's when you kind of know you're broken into a different group when it's like, oh, I've never had these type of fans before. Like, I was walking to the airport and an Asian family stopped me, a grandma, a kid, a husband and a wife. And I was like, I've never had Asian fans. This has never happened in me, so like, something happened, you know? Kind of opportunities for comedians to, you know, if you could be a part of something like that, those roasts are so huge. Yeah. Those make or break careers. Yeah. Do you get any more opportunities from that, Dana? Huh. I saw your minute. Do you get more? It's funny, you said you never do it again, and you did it. Yeah. I was out of the table here. You'll never fucking see me doing comedy ever again. Oh, by the way, then you guys probably don't know, there were 12,000 fucking people there. You're going to make people there live. Then when it's your time, they come right in with the camera and the whole fucking thing. You're standing there and there's millions of people, like 70 million people watching this fucking roast. And you're going to make them laugh. You're going to make them laugh. They want you to laugh. Yeah. Fuck that shit. Never again. So, what Sam was talking about, like, 'cause you're a writer, like Sam, you and Sam are both writers. That's what y'all, y'all use English. By the way, it's one of the greatest gifts in the world, by the way. I have no ability to do it, but they would have just put words down, delivered. They're the writer, huh? And then make somebody feel something is a big fucking deal. Yeah. And like, every time I listen to a song, like, I feel something, but talk about your evolution as a writer, because in those days, from black and yellow all the way. To where you are now. Like, how did you keep evolving your-- Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. You're writing to bring more people in, to be able to deal with how you feeling and should you go on through. Yeah, definitely. I think it was just a process of, like I said, identifying, like, who my fan base was. And like you said, just making people feel involved. I figured out that my strong point is, you know, the similarities that we have as people. It's through music. Everybody feels something. Everybody goes through something in their day. Everybody has family members. So it doesn't matter what color you are or what background you're from. As long as you can touch it. into the similarities as that of the differences, you'll get people to come together. And I was always one of my main goals. It's to just blend all different genres, because I listen to everything. I listen to rock and roll, I listen to pop music, I listen to, you know, current hip hop, I listen to old school hip hop, everything. So I want to educate people through music and through my writing and through, you know, my experiences. And that's just what I feel like my job is to do is just to have the most fun and to try to educate people who are doing it after me. And nobody wants to be sat down and preached to, you know what I'm saying? Just somebody teach you how to write it. Did you just-- I learned, I learned just by writing poetry at first. And then I started freestyle and writing raps and shit like that. But when I got into the studio with Eden, I was like my first mentor who sat me down and told me, like 16 bars is a verse, 8 bars is a hook. Another 8 bars is a bridge and taught me how to structure songs. And yeah, that was Eden who really sat me down and taught me how to really write, like the format of it. And how to count bars too, because a lot of people don't know when you're listening to music. I still really don't know how to sing. It's easy to tell. It's super easy. It's easy as fuck. It's one, two, three, four. That's one bar. And four of those is four bars, 8, 16, and then you know it's mad. But it's like, I'm ready to get into the studio, baby. You ready? You ready? He's making it so cool because it's time and it's tempo. So if you know tempo, you know how to repeat yourself. You know a repetition is. So you know. Or write or rap. But you know a repetition of a fucking job. It's the same thing. When you fight, you're trying to throw somebody off tempo. So you might go one, one, two, and then see if they-- You know what I'm saying? It's all tempo. There's a rhythm to that shit. Exactly. There's a rhythm to comedy. And yeah, yeah. It's the rhythm. It's the rhythm. It's the time and it's all of that. So when you study that and you figure out human beings, then you're able to apply that to your music. You're like, oh shit, this is going to go crazy, because you know what I mean? You know how it feels. So I know Sam's got to go. But I want to make sure we get you to a UFC fight. And we get you to-- Yeah, man. I got good. You and I will connect for sure. I love to get you to fight for sure, man. Sam, thank you so much. I appreciate you taking the time. By the way, we get to get nice meet you as well. I appreciate the love. You're welcome, man. Thank you. Thank you, man. We get to get home. Thank you, man. Congratulations. And the man's going to be lying to me. I'm sure. For sure, yeah. For sure. Did you grow up as a bot? Did you start as a bot? I played sports going on football basketball, soccer, baseball. What you grew up up? Helen and Montana. Hello, Sloan. How are you, darling? How are you? How are you? Oh, good. Where for you? There we go. Go ahead. Yeah. Going into high school. I think I was going to my freshman year or going to my sophomore year, insecure. You know, kid, wanted to fit in, wanted to be cool, wanted to get chicks. I'm like, what better way to do that than to start fighting? So I went to the gym and just-- I mean, I'd never stopped going. But I instantly was like, this is what I want to do. I was sparring, you know. But you went to the gym to box or to do-- I was like kickboxing. I was like kickboxing. We'd spar, you know, small gym, and we'd basically just spar. Go to the gym, kind of spar, and I was naturally good at it. I didn't really have-- oh, they're like an orthodox fight or a self-pot. I would fight like I do now. I just kind of mastered it, you know, kind of. But so I just kind of was naturally good at it. It was knocking people out and I was 16. Got this confidence. And you know, that carried into my career. I was like, I know that if I land this on someone's chin that I can knock them out and that gave me that confidence that-- I mean, having confidence that you could put someone's lights out with one punch, going into a fight, feels good. Of course. Now you can do-- you can knock out with both hands, right? Oh, you ever-- I mean, every limb on me, foot. I mean, you have a bow right into it. His right hand is the most-- dipped in sleeping, something like well. A mellow tone, yeah. He touches you with that, you're going to sleep. And it's one thing to be able to do it on the lower level, but then to be able to do it on the big stage with the baddest dudes in the world. He's got that, you know. You either do what you don't. And you don't train to have knockout power. You either have it or you don't. I want to ask you this one. Knowing you have that, it's like the ultimate trump card, right? Knowing you have that. Do you ever rely on it too much? No, I mean, my last fight with Cheeto, I knew the tough Ecuadorian had never been dropped, never been knocked out. Like, I believed truly that I could put his lights out, but I was also prepared to fight for 25 minutes. I'm the champ title fights. They're 25 minutes, regular fights for 15 minutes. So, you know, I had to come in really, really good shape against a guy that's very tough, very durable. A guy that'd supposedly beat me once before, that's up for the bait. But, yeah, I was, I never don't want to do a fight, just praying that I landed. I'm always prepared to go to the distance. Can you, that's a good point that you're right. Like, I've been a, like, in boxing or in any combat sport. Some people just have knockout power. Some don't. You can lose it, but you can't train to get it. But also, I don't think you can also train your chin either. Some people can take a punch. Can you train to take a punch? I think the way you take a punch is by eating healthy, sleeping good, take care of your body, and being in a really, really, really good shape. I think, you know, that's kind of how you train your chin. But, you know, the knee, I don't know if you guys heard the knee I hit Cheeto with. My last fight, it was, I think he has been or someone just dropped a new audio of it. Disturbing. I don't even know how he took it. What would you catch him at? I think it landed on his cheekbone. Did you hear the bone break? Oh, it's, you heard it? It's, it's like a car crash. It's loud. It's disgusting. You shouldn't hear that sound. Like, it was like-- I heard it, like, in a arena. Awesome, like, I was. And my, I mean, I feel like the people in the nose really heard it. Like, it was disgusting. But, I mean, the kid took it, I think. He's a G. Yeah, he's a tough kid. You know, he doesn't-- No, no, no. He was sleep, right? Yeah, that's all good shit. We are an athlete. You either have knockout power or you don't, and you either have a chin or you don't. I think so too. I think so too. It's just like in basketball, some guys just can shoot. Like, some guys can be sleeping the fucking gym. You're not going to shoot like that, I just out of this. And if you have both, you're going to make a lot of money. Which is rare, but some people do have both. Now, when you hit somebody with a knee like that in a fight, and he doesn't go down, what do you think? Because you knew you've caught him flush. Yeah, it was the second round. So I still had a long time to fight. You know, I care. I try to put it on him for a little bit longer. Try to put his lights out for good. But, you know, I knew also you can't-- I feel like with experience, you understand that you can't blow your load, try to get somebody out of there, especially someone that's known for having cardio and coming on in the later round. So I just feel like I've had over 30 fights. So I was very composed. Try to put his lights out. Realize, OK. Getting towards the end of the round. He's going to survive and just stay and compose. You know, one of the rounds is easy. And, you know, carrying on the rest of the fight almost knocked him out in the fifth again. For sure. Can either you just quickly explain, because, you know, you just said 25 minutes and people watching this thing, like, I get 25 minutes, isn't-- how long those rounds are a five-minute round and what that's like, just from a cardio, just mentally-- Yeah, just what that's like-- In a fight, anybody was trying to survive? What, didn't you? Did you fight? You just trained. You're going to fight? No, I'm not going to fight. He's just been trained. Yeah, he's been trained. I'm a man. Yeah, yeah. I'm not doing no fights, fuck that. You can die when you go in there. You know, for sure, right? But I mean, you-- you use live-spark? Yeah, I spar. So you felt that. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, yeah, I fuck with the sparring and all that. I've spared before too. What's that-- what's a five-minute round, like, just 25 minutes? When you get in there with another man that's pushing you as hard as you're pushing him, and you can speak to this more than I could, the closest to death you'll ever feel, right? Oh, yeah. It's an eternity. It feels like a long time. But I mean, it takes me-- I had preferred up at least 12 weeks to prepare for a 25-minute fight. So I start my camps about 12 weeks out, slowly build up to 25 minutes. But some people just have that gas tank. They could just go. Some people, you have to really, really, really be efficient with your energy and, you know, really train hard to get that. But there's some guys out there. I mean, like, grab the guy and fight next. Do the machine. You can just-- you just known for his cardio. And, you know, so there's different-- different levels of athletes, different genes, different stuff. What made you get into it, Liz? Shit. It just started getting popular, like, within the community that I was in, like, a lot of my homies were just ended up going to the gym and started training. But they were doing jujitsu. And I was cool with that. But kickboxing was just more natural to me. Like, I could kick really well. And it was just something that my body just responded better to. And then I started lifting to just be more athletic and be able to compete with the people who I'm in the gym with. And then it just started into years of me practicing and just learning new techniques and, you know, fucking with different people and just learning different styles. And I just realized how endless this shit is. So, like, I'm a lifetime, you know, martial artist, why I'm just training for life. Like, I'm just feeling good for life, you know. But it's a good feeling, no? It's great. You can kick somebody's ass. Like you said, the confidence. And then I have an 11 year old son. So it's like to be able to pass that down to him as well, you know what I mean? And like, when you're younger and when you're growing up and you know how to defend yourself or, you know, if you just want to throw the hands, whatever it is, you have that confidence, you know, you could, you know what I mean? You could take it, you can give it. That's really, really good for a young man to have. It's good for somebody on my age to have as well. How often do you go through? How often do you try? I'm in there five days a week. Shit, you're training for real. Yeah, for sure. Well, you trained for real. I'm dedicated to the shit, just because I love it. and all of that shit, and it's fun. - Have you noticed a difference in your mentality, like mental health? - Yeah, 'cause you've been training as a fighter? - 100%. It taught me a lot of patience, and it taught me about the process, about just loving and enjoying the process, 'cause I think nowadays, and especially in what I do, I've gotten so good at music and, you know, whatever, whatever, so it's like the gratification can be instant. But with that, it's not instant gratification. You have to work, you have to grind, you have to put in the work to see the results. And that really slowed me down mentally, where it's like, you know, I approach different things in life, or different projects like that. It's like, it's cool if it doesn't happen right away. Like, you know what I'm saying? It'll be better if I just build on top of it, and see it come together as opposed to just trying to jump out there. So, you know, doing that, challenging myself, and anybody that's gonna be a challenge, or you're gonna have to break through these walls, you'll find these points mentally where you're like, "Yo, I can't do this shit no more." And then you'll just find yourself doing it. So, that definitely translates through our life. Yeah, definitely. Do you feel that way in your sport, too? Like, obviously, your sport is one-on-one also. Most of that, there's deals, but there's usually one-on-one. And there's no breaking in a mono-way mono match. In basketball, I can fuck it. The couple possessions, I'm gonna go stand in the corner and let these two handle it. In your sport, there's no break. You have to just keep fuck 'em tired, but I'm not tired. I'm okay. How do you break through that when you feel like there's a wall there? I feel like it's just training, right? I mean, obviously, for them, it's life or death. My sport is not life or death. Like, one wrong move, one little break, some little distraction. Like, I've been to one in a UFC fight, and I was like, "Yeah, no." So, watch, as even was too much. I saw something. One of the girls put someone in a headlock, and I was like, "And they were chanting, "Break her arm." I was like, "Mom, I gotta get out of here." Like, this is overwhelming, right? Your mom was chanting, "Break her arm?" No, no, not my mom. (audience laughing) No, we went, the crowd started chanting, "Break her arm." And I was like, "Wait, is she really gonna break her arm?" And I was like, "She definitely was going to." No, she was going to snap her arm. Like, snap the tap. Would snap the tap. Like, we went to the, it was in Madison's Word Garden. And I was like, "This is, this is different," right? Like, this is real different. They were, and it was the first fight. I looked one of the first fights, and the break her arm, and I was like, "Mom, I don't, I don't know if I can hang." This is a lot, right? And I think, in tennis, totally different from fighting. Like, it's one-on-one, but a little distraction, you can lose a match, but again, tennis can go on for so long. You could play a three-hour match for men. You could play a five-hour match, like. What's the longest you haven't played? Four hours and 44 minutes. Which, we're, that was, I don't know. I was like 20 somewhere. I don't know. Four hours at home? Yeah. Do you get a little break at all? A little 15-minute lesson? No, you just get like a minute and a half. Like, through the, the changeover. That's the changeover. Yeah. And you just keep going. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's like a little bit more challenge, because you are out there on your own. And up until, like, probably two or three years ago, there was no coaching at all. So you couldn't talk to your coach. You couldn't get any feedback. It was just you were out there, and like, that wasn't as fun. Now, it's a little bit more enjoyable, because you can talk to your coach. You can yell at them, scream at them, whatever can happen. But it's mostly just you, and you're walking around and trying to figure it out. And that's not it. Do you find yourself getting stuck and to match that long? Like, fuck, she keeps hitting something. I can't figure out why I keep missing that. Oh, yeah. Like, strategy-wise, like, trying to figure out like sometimes a certain game plan is like not working. But you have a, like, a long time to figure it out. I feel like you can-- there could be like two or three games, or you can just kind of, like, feel it out. Whereas, again, fighting, there's this breaker arm is not the time to figure it out. Like, Dana, I peruse Instagram. And I saw Agassi. Did you guys see this Agassi clip on Instagram recently? No. So I am, and I like tennis. I love watching high-level tennis. Me, too. I agree. Grats, too, by the way. I like watching. Agassi was notoriously one of the great returners of all time. Because his dad used to-- in Vegas, by the way. Oh, yeah, no. Lips of course, he went back into his hands. He had a famous machine where-- I forgot the machine where it serves it at you. Yeah, like a ball machine. A ball machine. He called it like the dragon, because he made it higher and faster. And would make Andre return, like, 5,000 a day. So Andre came a great returner, but he couldn't get-- this was him talking. He couldn't get backer. He kept fucking him. He just couldn't get his thing until he found this-- You saw this? I saw this. Did you see this? No. He saw-- He had a like a 10. He saw that becker had a-- it took him like they played against each other, I don't know, four or five times. And he finally saw that if he was going down the line, before he served, he'd lick his lip. The last second. Look. Oh, really? You can look-- and he knew if he was going wide, he'd like, did this. But like, it was for his tongue to the side that he was going to serve. He put his tongue to the side where there was going-- and he saw this, and he fucking got him, right? And he could return all the serves. And that takes a crazy amount of focus, mentality, and that. If you remember the story, he was like, I wanted to save it for when I needed it, so I didn't know that I knew exactly what this tells. When it was a big point, and he says this, and then they get backer response like that motherfucker. And he didn't know how he after their fourth time playing. He didn't realize how-- he got that look. Are you looking for over four hours? Can you get a tell from someone? Well, sometimes, like, in general, I think you know-- I've been playing so long, it's my 15th year on tour. And I feel like you know so many of the girls, and you've played so many times. We've played one person 10 times. Like, you kind of know what their game style is. Their speed, their ball, how they practice, all those things. And I think, once you kind of get past that, once you get older, you know. And I think it's just like, whatever version of you shows up for competition on that day, if you come ready to go, you're good. Like, if you come a little bit, you know, sluggish or whatever, like, it's different. And I think for tennis, you can have these long battles and not be playing your absolute best, but you have time to figure it out. And to win this point, Sean, how much are you paying attention to what he's doing? Like, OK, shit, he keeps throwing that right hand. I got to get out of the way of it. Or you're just paying attention to myself. Like, OK, I'm looking for opening fuck. Where's the opening? Where's the opening? Majority is kind of just focusing on myself. Just letting myself flow and making sure you show up in that moment. I feel like I have kind of, I don't want to say mastered it, but I've gotten really good at making sure that I show up preparing for 12 weeks in the back, following my breath, meditating, call whatever you want, but just like really actually taking nasal breaths, feeling it in my stomach and just slowing everything down and almost kind of like, I feel like I transform into sugar in the back. That's awesome. Like when I walk out, I'm like a different human, just accepting whatever happens is going to happen and just kind of giving myself the higher power to take over. And I feel like I do that through breathing and breath work so I make sure I know I show up each time. But to do that, you have to do that throughout life, throughout camp. I would say, yeah, that's a lifestyle. That's-- yeah. You're doing it as a fight. I think about that shit just as-- and I don't fight anybody, but as a lifestyle. But if you talked to any great athlete regardless of the sport, they sound like you just sound. Like you talked to Dion Sanders, like ladies, you know, he's famous for laying his uniform up before the game. Like he would become proud. Like if you talked to LeBron, I've known him 20 years. If the game's at 7 o'clock, he's at the arena at 2 o'clock, become-- and like, he has this build and he actually has music and by the time the lights come on, he's out there, he's kind of a different guy than the guy that showed up at 2 o'clock. And it's a build about that, too. Yeah. That's what I love about sports that aren't team sports, like the mental and physical warfare that goes on during these fights, matches, or whatever they are, where there's not a team. It's not like, oh shit, I'm off and having a bad night. That's all you have to be able to put this player in to do this. That's all I need. So I should. You're in, right? So then, like, for tennis, like you guys are in a war. Four-hour game, right? You're in a war. And, you know, you've got to get the match and break, you know. And it goes back and forth. And I just mentally, it's just like five. It's the same thing. The same opponent is pushing me and trying to break me mentally. I'm down two sets, right? Do I fold and just fucking, you know, lose this whole thing? Or do I dig deep fight back? And how do I beat her? And what do I see? That's what I love about individual sports, like the-- I really do. And in tennis, you can see his level. It is fucking-- And you can see of a person breaks. If they're like, fucking, I'm out. Someone could be better than the other person, but if they break mentally, it's over. Right? And you feel it in the game, right? You feel when you broke them. But I also see, like, when you watch tennis, you can see it. Like, you can see it, like, maybe when you're in the match, you can't see it. But if you're watching and you're watching, like, I don't know, back place. And one year, like, oh, he's about to get this guy. Like, he-- Can you feel it on the court, though? Can you see, like, she's broke, I got it. Yeah. I'll be like, oh, she's getting mad. OK, good. Like, we're playing doubles, like, a couple of months ago. And one of the girls we were playing, she was about to lose her shit. And we're like, just keep hitting everybody to her. She's about to break. She's about to snap. Just right there. Like, she's going to snap. And I feel like, when I watch it on TV, I'm like, oh, it's happening right now. She's going to be about that shit. Yeah, like, it's so good. So I have a question, 99.9% of people on Earth will never know what this feels like. When that dressing room are locked, the room door opens and they say, "Hey, let's go time." What are you thinking as you're taking that walk to the ring? - I'm always the most calm I've ever been. It's almost easier to get into like a meditative state for me back there than it is to like, if I was sitting in the sauna or in the hot tub or just breathing trying to get into like a quiet my mind, I guess challenging to do that. For some reason, fight day, that moment, like I've just calmed, just fucking. And I feel like you can see it in my fight, you can see it on the walk-outs, I just feel very calm. Like, I'm supposed to be there, I should get to be there. A lot of people, a lot of fighters, you know, and I've felt that before, early on in my career, I was like, fuck, I don't even, why am I even here? Why'd I sign up, why'd I come here? But I've really been able to kind of flip that, I mean, I get to be here, I get to perform. Super thankful for the UFC that I get to perform in the biggest, highest level, the most is on the line. Like that, the more people, the more eyeballs, the more lights, the more calm, the better I'm gonna perform. And I think I just have cultivated that through mindfulness, breathing, stuff, you know, performing as many times as I've I've done, but, yeah, I just feel very calm. What is, you and Snooper, the only people in the world can smoke any fucking way, y'all, true. In the world. Do you smoke after you train before you train? Before and after. Oh, you hit it before and after, yeah. So you won't be training till the fuck out? Yeah, I mean, I think smoking just like relaxes my, everything, it just allows me to chill and just, 'cause you have to be relaxed when you train, you have to be relaxed when you perform, you have to be relaxed when you create. I'm going out on stage, I'm performing for two and a half hours. I can't be like, like, tight uptight, thinking about every word, I have to just be loose and just let the fucking muscle memory kick in. And smoking weed and listening to old-school music fucking allows me to do that shit. You tap into your character and who you are, but you have to let that shit happen. You're not in control of it. - God, and what kind of, what do you smoke? Is it the smoke? - I can smoke a leaf of cush. That's my weed. - Of course. - Of course. - Of course. - The best weed in the world. (laughs) The strongest, most tasty. - What would it make me feel if I hit it out? I'm not a real smoke. - Do you smoke? I do not smoke. - See, I recommend it for people who don't smoke. - Yeah. - It's the best weed to hit, like, if you're not a real smoker. - What if it's the strongest? - Well, yeah, 'cause it's on the last weed. - Yeah, 'cause it's on the last weed. - I don't care what you're doing, Jones. (laughs) - I'm putting you on your mind as well. - You get straight in there. - What can you do? - Get straight in there. - What can you do? (upbeat music) - Slow, can you get high and be missing the ball? It should be. - Let's go. (laughs) - I can float in there. - Yeah. - You actually cannot. 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