Dan Farah | Club Random with Bill Maher

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That's amazing, because this country is so divided that I would think anything like. Because certainly, you know, it's in your documentary, and I talked about it on my show with Marjorie Taylor Greene, who concurs with some of the people in the Defense Department who think aliens, they're demons. We're talking about angels and demons. Fallen angels is what Marjorie Taylor said. That's, I mean, you say aliens of other people. To me, this could be the divide. to start, like, a lot of online fighting, no? - You know, like, everybody's, you know, allowed to have their own opinion. The one thing I have gotten, I have gotten, um. I have gotten some, like, angry DMs on these social media sites where people are like, "I want more evidence. I want to see this. I want to see that." And I'm like, "I do, too. We all want more." But, you know, to me-- - Angry that you're not giving enough evidence or angry that you're just saying this and it's really something like demons or angels? - There's a lot of people who just wish there was more evidence for them to see. But I think, you know, I think disclosure of this stuff is a process. - Well, I saw-- I cut this out of the paper the other day just 'cause I wanted to read it. It was just yesterday. Uh, the British military actively just tried to obtain extraterrestrial technology in the '90s. This just came out. They just released this. "After thousands of reported sightings over Belgium, "Belgium"-- between November 1989 and April 1990-- "large, silent, low-flying black triangles "demonstrating propulsion capabilities "far beyond any known flight technology." And the British thought they needed to find out what it is so they could reverse engineer it. They, you know, said, "We got to have this." - Yeah, I saw that, too. There's a lot of activity, historical activity, in the UK. There's a--one of the-- interviews I did that I had to just cut for time in the film interviewed a former base commander of Rendlesham, of a base that was in Rendlesham Forest in the UK. - Oh, yeah, they mentioned that. - Yeah. - And, um-- - It's in Suffolk, England. - Yeah, so it was a joint-- at the time, it was a joint base between UK and US. And they were on Christmas Eve. Can't remember which year. It was in the '80s. There was a big UAP event just outside the base. And, um-- - UAP is the old UFO, huh? - Yeah, multi-- - That really changed things a lot when they made that change, huh? - Yeah, I think it helps. I mean, I really do. - Really? - Yeah. - Why? - So one of the guys I interviewed-- - Unidentified flying object, unidentified aerial phenomenon? - Unidentified--it stands for unidentified anomalous phenomenon. - Oh, for fuck's sake. - Yeah. - It's a UFO, and we got used to UFO, and it's the same thing, and you're just confusing people. - Well, here's the-- - It's not helpful. - It's unhelpful. - There's two valid reasons. So one of the guys I interviewed, Jay Stratton, very senior intelligence official, he found that when he would bring up UFOs in certain rooms, it led to this giggle factor, and there's a stigma around that word. So UAP allows it to be looked at differently. Also, a lot of the activity is happening in our oceans, and these things aren't flying. - Like, UFO stands for flying, right? - Okay. All right, all right, fine. - So there you go. - Take it. - Yeah. - To me, it seems like-- a minor-- you're probably right about that. Okay, so we'll get used to the new one. But it's probably so inconsequential compared to what, to me, seems like the issue. And, you know, you were on "Real Time" recently. - Yeah, thanks for having me. - Yeah, yeah, no, I-- I mean, the movie, your movie, "Age of Disclosure," about this is groundbreaking. And, you know, I'm on your page, basically. I mean, look, do we know anything? No, I just feel like it gets harder and harder as the evidence accumulates. And, you know, what your movie did so well was it arrayed this lineup of very credible people, including the Secretary of State, senators, you know, military people. Not the-- you know, when I would start doing comedy, it was all, you know, these jokes about, "Ah, a little green man came down, and they ate my wife, and she liked that." You know, that just-- that was all that-- "Probing my asshole," and now it's not that. It's not the farmer in the middle of nowhere. - Yeah. - It's very credible people. So-- - That's what I wanted to do. I wanted to make the most credible doc ever made on the topic. - Yeah. - And something that wasn't sensational. I always wished this film existed. Over the years, I've been fascinated with this topic. I've watched every doc on it. I've watched every, you know, movie or series about it. And I always wished someone would go, take the time to make a documentary that only interviewed people who have direct knowledge of this as a result of working for the U.S. government and to just have them share what they lawfully can, not sensate-- don't sensationalize it, don't just throw some random guy in there because it's cool casting. - Right. - Just set to par, like, real credible people who actually have direct knowledge of this. - Well, I mean, part of the reason why this documentary couldn't have been done ten years ago is because there weren't nearly as many credible people. - Mm. - There-- The things we've seen in the last decade, the-- and the testimony from people like in the Navy who've seen these phenomenon, I don't remember that happening before ten years ago. It looks to me like the aliens kind of want us to know that they're here. It doesn't look like they're hiding it much anymore. They may be saying, "Jesus Christ, these people are taking a long time to come around to what is fairly obvious, you know, and, as I said to you on "Real Time," I'm not that upset about it because, obviously, they have the capability to do great harm, and they're not. They seem to be just monitoring. That could change. - Yeah. No, yeah, as the film-- as people in the film talk about, circumstances change. Like, we've evolved technologically. - Not with these lighters. - Here's another one. - I'm either the unluckiest person in the world who every time I try to get a simple Zippo lighter-- I'm not trying to embarrass the Zippo company, but maybe there's, like, a really good version of this. I don't know. I do what I'm supposed to do. I put the thing in, and that's what-- and it works once at home, and then I do it here, and it doesn't work. - You've got to go old school. - And yet the alien-- if the aliens come, I would like to make this their first mission, to get this fucking lighter working. - Improved the quality of lighters. - They're so cool-looking. And I like them. They just don't work for me. - Hilarious. - Maybe it's me. But I'm sorry, what were you saying? - No, the-- you know, a lot of people talk about how if more intelligent life is here and they haven't destroyed us, you know, there hasn't been a, you know, War of the Worlds-type moment that that means that they're completely benign and there's nothing to worry about. And, you know, that's a nice positive thought, for sure. And that'd be amazing if that's true. But I think a lot of the intelligence officials in my film went out of their way to say, it's, you know, good to prepare for all scenarios. And the reality of it is, like, we've evolved technologically at a really rapid pace over the last 80 years, but our morals haven't, right? - Right. - We're still invading sovereign nations. We're still threatening nuclear war. - Right. - We're a violent species. - They may be in the process of deciding. - And so, but the point a lot of the people in my film make is that we're kind of like barreling towards a crossroads where we're reaching the point of either already being able to do what they do or soon being able to do what they do. And at that point they would have to contend with us and we're a violent species. And so it kind of puts a lot in perspective. And I think one of the takeaways a lot of people told me they had from the film is, man, humanity's really gotta get their shit together and, you know, kind of come together on this because we're all in this situation together. And that's a tough task. - That's not gonna happen. - It's probably not gonna happen, right? - Totally not gonna happen. - So then it's like, okay, well, then we just gotta be prepared for all scenarios. - The good news is, and again, I think I mentioned this to you, it reminds me of, you know, the movies where the bad guy or somebody likes a lot So it says, come on, if I wanted you to be dead, you'd be dead already. That's, I feel like, where we are with the aliens right now. Possibly. That doesn't mean tomorrow it won't change. And I do think one compelling piece of evidence about the whole shebang is that they did seem to appear right after the nuclear age began. It seems like that triggered. Proactively, yeah, more actively. You first see it, of course, the bomb is 1945. 1947 really is when we first, Roswell and stuff like that. To me, that's quite a coincidence. Or it's like, oh, they're watching us. It seems like that's when they started paying attention. Let's pay attention. They've reached the nuclear threshold. Remember when we were nuclear? A little green fellow people here on the planet. We were. We were crazy and we did crazy things and we had these bombs and it was polluting and it was just terrible. But let's keep an eye on them. Yeah, I mean, look, the people in my film all feel, everyone I discussed a specific point with, felt strongly that once you crack the atom, it puts you on this trajectory towards doing what they do. And it's only a matter of time at that point. And so that's when they started monitoring us. The thing, you know, the thing that the people I interviewed. I'm more concerned about than possible intentions of non-human intelligent life is what would happen if an adversary cracked this technology before we did and used it for bad. Because this technology has the potential to revolutionize the way we live and change things for the better. It could be the solution to the energy crisis. It could lead to interstellar travel. A lot of technological breakthroughs could come off the back of it that could be great for us. But it could also be used as the most terrifying weapon of mass destruction. You could instantaneously. Deliver a nuclear weapon to the other side of the planet. Yeah, I mean, maybe the tipping point is fusion. I mean, we've learned how to split the atom. That's nuclear. But that's not really where the gold is. The gold is in fusion, which they're getting closer. Fusion is the opposite. We're putting them together at temperatures that are hotter than the sun. So the challenge is not just doing that. They seem to be able to do that. But then how do you channel that? Like, how do you not, whatever is holding this energy, how do you not melt that thing? You know, so plainly the aliens have this. I mean, they have something that we don't have. An energy source that we haven't realized. Yes, that allows them. I mean, all the witnesses pretty much say some variation of, you know, the thing can hover for three hours and then just move at speeds we've never seen before. Or go, as you say, in the ocean without losing any speed. You know, there seems to be no element of friction there. They seem to be moving in a way that. Just defies physics as we know it. As we know it. That's the simplest way to say it, yeah. So I can't help but think that is tied to fusion and maybe something beyond fusion. But that's our next moment in human history. Yeah. And we're knocking on the doorstep, but we're still a very long way away. There's also a lot of forces working against technology like that coming to the forefront. You know, I mean, look how we see it in the news this week, how significant oil is to the world, right? Oh, yeah. Like, you know, the introduction of a new energy source would basically overnight destroy an entire marketplace that has driven the world for years. I'll say this for the. Trump's move into Venezuela. I mean, I don't totally hate it. Some of it I do hate. But to the aliens who are worried that we are getting too advanced, I'm sure that was very reassuring. Not this guy. This guy's still thinking about oil and still thinking about, you know, stuff like whatever he's thinking about. It's not. What do you think. I do think. What do you think Donald Trump knows about. So I think he's become very aware of the situation in the last few months, and I think he, behind the scenes, is pursuing the truth about the things he is in the dark on. I hope that he, you know, steps up this year and tells the world definitively that we're not alone in the universe, because he knows those base facts, and he could share that with the world. And I think it would be the greatest moment a leader could possibly have. I mean, there's no bigger moment in the history of humanity. I don't think any of us have ever known him to ever not share. Like, when he. I saw yesterday he put out these. No, he didn't do it yesterday, but they were talking about it yesterday on CNN. These text messages that the head of NATO, who used to be, I think, the president of Denmark, had sent him. And they were very complimentary. You know, I mean, it's not a big secret that a great way to ingratiate yourself with our president is, to be complimentary. And they were meant to be private. But, of course, Trump puts them on truth social because, you know, here's a guy, an important guy, saying nice things about me. I'm just going to put it out there. I mean, Kanye does the same thing. You know, don't expect. I didn't see this. A lot of the younger generation don't expect anything to ever be private. They just don't have that same feeling. So just don't put it out there. But, again, I don't remember President Trump ever really. Really holding anything back. So I feel like if he. I think he's proactively gathering information right now. That could be true. That absolutely could be true. I mean, he could be waiting for the right moment. Like a week. This week's not the right moment. A week before the next election. The aliens are here. And if I'm not here to stop it, you know, I can see that. Look, I think it literally, in all seriousness, it would be the biggest moment a leader could ever have in human history. It's bigger than any huge presidential speech. Like, think about. Think about those great moments leaders have had in our history. Like from Gettysburg Address to Kennedy Space Race speech. Martin Luther King's I Have a Dream speech. Whatever you put on the list, this would be bigger than that. And it's also arguably the most bipartisan moment you could possibly have. There's. This issue is the most bipartisan issue in politics right now. The leaders from both parties are aligned on wanting more disclosure and more aligned on that than anything else. Yeah, when I think about the famous. New York Times headline when we walked on the moon, I don't think they've ever had a bigger type face than not. Men walk on moon, you know, giant letters. Picture we are not alone. You know, what. How big a type do you need for this headline? That's a full page. If it was definitive proof, you know, like, little green man arrives, says take us to your leader. I mean, they don't have type. I mean, I think it's just simply. We are not alone. And a U.S. president stepping to the microphone and making that clear for the entire human population, it just would have so many huge consequences. And it's your belief, I think, and many others, that the reason this really hasn't happened is because it would scare people. No. No? No? I think there's a lot of reasons. Like, we go into a lot of reasons in the film. But those reasons have sort of changed over time. I think originally it was simply. If you put yourself in the shoes of military intelligence officials in the 40s and you realize this is real, you've got to find out a lot of answers to your own questions before you make it known, right? And then I think they found out that this was happening in adversarial nations, too. And then it became like a Cold War dynamic of we've got to keep this secret because we don't want our enemies to know what we know and don't know. And one of the ways they kept it secret is they created the stigma around this topic. That's revealed in my film. One of the senior CIA officials in my film says that. Elements of the intelligence community, including the CIA, created the stigma around this early on, late 40s, early 50s, to get people thinking it's crazy if you look into this. It's kind of a genius way to get people to avoid, you know, asking questions, right, and looking into it. And then that gets into the culture and it gets compounded over the years. Then the stigma gets created. Then the stigma became a reason for people not to want to speak up about it because no one wanted their reputation ruined. But would there not be panic? I think there. I think at one point people early on, I think in the 40s and 50s, there was a general feeling amongst military intelligence people that knew about this that we need to learn a lot more about this before we tell the world there's a situation that we don't know anything about and we can't protect you from and cause panic, right? But I think it's naive to think that in 2026, people are going to be jumping out of buildings if they find out that we're not alone in the universe. They're jumping out of buildings, but I can't imagine a lot of. I think a lot of rednecks wouldn't be like, we got to kill these motherfuckers now while we got them in our sights, while we got the muscle, we got the armaments, we got everything we need, we got to kill these people. I can't believe there wouldn't be that faction in America. Or all over the world. There'll be a lot of mixed responses, but ultimately the reality of it is one of the big learnings from making this film is. is that we are in a race with adversarial nations, most notably China, to crack this technology. And we have a better chance of winning that race. More technology. UAP technology, the technology at play. So the film reveals that. You mean reverse engineering their craft? Yeah. Do we have their craft? Yeah. So a number of the intelligence officials in the film reveal that there's a deeply hidden crash retrieval program in the US. There's also one in Russia, China. So some of them have crashed. So they're not perfect. Yeah. Yeah. And we've retrieved some of that technology. They're aliens. They're not fucking gods. Right? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's just the fact. Yeah. I mean, they're dealing with technology. Because I've heard people say, well, if they're so advanced, how come they keep crashing their vehicles? Well, I don't think they keep crashing their vehicles. I think, you know. All technology has some kind of either flaw or vulnerability, right? And so one of the things that people in my film talk about is in the early days of our atomic weapons program, we realized an unintended consequence of testing was it could cause some of these UAP that we didn't know were there to crash. So there's been all these learnings over time of what could cause these things to crash. Yeah. I mean, I'm sure there is some. One reason why they have been monitoring us for so long. Yeah. One reason why they have been monitoring us for so long is because they don't know about this planet. And they're finding out. They're gathering information. I mean, if. I don't know if you. Or they've been here long before us. Or they have been here long before us. But if it's the reverse, if they're just discovering us and we're alarmed because they got the little beep on their phone that said, nope, they went nuclear. Okay. We're going to get down there and see what's going on. I mean, like in War of the Worlds, which is what I go by, that's my Bible. No, I'm kidding. Because Scientology ever led us astray scientifically. But, you know, that is sort of based. That is the Scientology. I mean, I could see why Tom Cruise was attracted to do that movie, other than the fact that it's an awesome movie and Spielberg directed it. But it is about the. Because I think in Scientology, they believe that stuff was buried underground and then came up. And that's what happens in War of the Worlds. But as you remember in War of the Worlds, there's no real ending to it. The aliens are totally kicking our ass and then they just die. And Morgan Freeman does the voice over and everyone is like, okay. That's also what happens at the end of Crystal Skull, Indiana Jones' Crystal Skull. They find the UFO that was buried underneath the pyramid. Rises up at the end of the movie. And dies? No, just rises. It comes. Okay. Rises up. Because in War of the Worlds, they just die because they got a virus. Yeah. So it's really COVID. If they had just worn the masks, I'm always saying to everybody, let's go back to wearing masks. I'm kidding. Yeah, of course. But going back to the thing that concerned everyone I interviewed was that if we as a nation don't take this more seriously and make it a real national priority, then we could wake up one day and find out that China beat us in this race and the consequences could be huge. So what does that mean? China would be allied with the aliens? No, no, no. So a number of the officials in the film reveal that our country and Russia and China all have these hidden programs that are retrieving crashed UAP and trying to reverse engineer them. And it's a technology race. They refer to it as the Manhattan Project on steroids. And so the idea is, you know, here we have this stigma that originally was created to keep people from looking into this. And now it's kind of backfiring in that we're in a technology race now. And the majority of scientists in our country don't even know this is real. They don't know it's a valid area of inquiry. Well, that you get to something that I found so fascinating in the movie, which is the idea that. A lot of what we know about all of this phenomenon is compartmentalized. Yeah. Like the CIA knows this, and the Energy Department knows this, and the Defense Department knows this, and they don't necessarily share the information. And we've got to, I mean, to me, this is a little like the Epstein files, except not underage girls, little green men. Okay. Like, we want the files out. We want you to collate all the files, because we saw with the Epstein thing, it was a shit show. It came out drip by drab. Some of it was real. Then suddenly we got a million more. And, you know, I feel like that's what's going on with this, except, again, not underage girls, little green men. And if we could just get all these agencies to share, because you are all on the same team, guys. We're all in the American government. Share. And then, because of that. That has to happen, I think, before they release it to the people. Yeah, but honestly, the better analogy is the 9-11 situation. The intelligence community wasn't sharing information in the most effective way, and there was intelligence gaps. And then this horrible intelligence failure happened, and this attack happened, and we all dealt with the consequences. And then what happened after that? Everyone said, oh, this has to be course corrected. So we formed the Director of National Intelligence. Yeah. As an answer to that, right? And their sole job is to coordinate the intelligence community so information is actually shared, right? All we did was create a giant, new, ridiculously large, unobservable, in many ways, bureaucracy. But the point is, history shows bad things happen when our intelligence community doesn't share information. I know, but, you know, I remember my joke at the time that we created the Department of Homeland Security was, gosh. If we only had some sort of central intelligence agency, you see my point? We already had it. But their job, the CIA's job was never to coordinate all of the various intelligence community elements. It was never their stated purpose. Whereas the Director of National Intelligence, that's their purpose. Yeah, and you know what? I got to give them credit. I mean. Something worked. Now, maybe it was just that the jihadists decided to take a break. I mean, they have been at it for over 1,000 years, so, like, they played the long game. Maybe it was like, okay, we visit a painful chastisement on the infidel. Let's take a couple of decades off. That could be, I don't think that's it. No, I think we put resources towards this, and it's working. Yeah, I think, yes. And so if we put resources towards the UAP issue, and we make the base facts known, a lot of great change will come out of that. And the U.S. will. It will lead in that technology race. Well, I find it very interesting that your movie is called The Age of Disclosure, and Spielberg has a movie coming out called. Disclosure Day. What is the key word here that we seem to be tracking? It would be disclosure. I mean, it seems like this is the issue now, that we've, for a lot of people, we move past the question, is it happening? It's a little like climate change. There was a time when it was like, is it happening? Is it manmade? And then, you know, of course, there are stragglers who don't believe it is, but they're not credible people. You know, it's interesting. What was the turning point in that? Al Gore's Inconvenient Truth, a documentary, right? It was, yeah. I mean, certainly that came out, you know, I think 2002 or something. I feel like by the 90s, people were on the page of, it's happening, and it is manmade. What to do about it? That's a debate we absolutely can and should be having. But there are still stragglers, you know, who don't believe in that, as they will always be with this. There will always be stragglers. But basically, you pass these tipping points where it's like evolution, you know, when 1859, Darwin put that out. It wasn't like in 1860, everybody was like, oh, evolution, we all believe in that. It took a while before it's tested, people challenge it, and then it's like, okay, this is the reality. Let's go on to the next question. I feel like we should be on to the question of, again, I don't think it's coincidence that this word comes up in both these films, disclosure. And I feel like when they look back, now, the Spielberg movie comes out in June. I feel like, you know, you're going to be the John the Baptist to this Jesus Christ of a movie because it is Spielberg. It's something zillions of people are going to see. It's about the same subject, but it's for the masses. Not that your movie didn't do great, but it's like this is now. You're going to be the John the Baptist to this Jesus Christ of a movie because you're going to be the John the Baptist to this Jesus Christ of a movie. thinks we're alone in the universe, you're kind of on the side of, not flat earthers and yeah yeah flat earthers right you're you're exactly you're you're kind of or global warming isn't you know i mean republicans were still saying that it wasn't real and it wasn't man-made very recently i mean certainly in the last 20 years they were trotting out silly there was one newsweek story in the 70s about how the planet was cooling look the planet's cooling they used to say and that and it's like okay you know what you you can you can always convince a certain number of people yeah but i feel like this is where it's going to go and i feel like the big thing is going to be the spielberg movie everyone i interviewed was really clear with me that it's not a question as to whether this is real that's we're way past that every single person i interviewed made that very clear their educated opinion was we are way way past that now the question is where are they from what's their intention right and can you tell us what's going on and what's going on and what's going on and what's going on and can we as a nation crack this technology before an adversary does and they all took that extremely seriously and they thought everyone interviewed thought that getting rid of the stigma in our country is a huge huge um hurdle to winning that technology race we have we have to get rid of the stigma so that academia and the scientific community can take this seriously and know it's a valid area of inquiry and help us win this technology race and they all thought that this documentary is going to play a major role in opening the public eyes and i heard that over and over from everybody from rubio on down and um and they were all very very serious about it i do think it's power movies though as you're talking about steven's movie um you know movies you have a unique power to open people's eyes to thoughts i absolutely do i'm into this topic because my childhood was the 80s and early 90s and my favorite movies as a little kid was close encounters i grew up on close encounters et x files was on television when i was in school and um i grew up on close encounters and i grew up on close encounters and i grew up on close encounters made a huge impact on me it made me curious about these big questions made me curious about this topic you know it presented it in a very grounded way it's very ahead of its time movie well i have always been a proponent of the idea that everything the movies depict then comes to life which is why the fact that there are so many movies about post-apocalyptic you know after the war after the war came and now it's a hellscape it's the baron and it's just you know denzel and somebody else walking across a desert you know it's just terrible i just because i feel like i've just seen it too many times well whatever they're predicting is going to come true and that i mean i remember seeing minority report a great spielberg movie and they had screens they were just touching and moving things on the screen which we all do a billion times a day now but then it was like wow or even flip phones in star trek yeah you know i mean lots of stuff now he's always forward thinking and covering things that will come to be another great great film uh from years ago that was ahead of its time was abyss with all the activity that's james cameron in the ocean i mean he loves the ocean it was not a good movie oh i liked it i liked it a lot yeah as movie making i don't i mean i don't remember it that well i remember being bored to tears in the theater and i'm a big cameron fan i love titanic watch it it's it's a good really and yeah and and close encounters i watch every few months is that it's amazing is that is that about space people in the ocean the abyss is about you know not human intelligent life under the ocean oh yeah and what's the uh spoiler alert what's the end just just just the the takeaway is that there is other life here and and it's in the ocean and a number of the people go on the record about the uap activity in our oceans even you know from senior members of congress to intelligence officials they talk about technology that's not from here that's otherworldly that has been seen coming in uh out of the ocean and into the ocean and then in conversations i've had outside of the film um people have told me about um activity that's been tracked by our submarines that's just absolutely bonkers like massive crafts moving at crazy speeds under the water going past our submarines so there's a there there's a real situation yeah if you if you were an alien and you wanted to hide here on the earth it's our ocean yeah you do it under because the ocean is very unexplored it's like say yeah one of the in my film uh admiral uh tim gallaudet uh says that um we have studied the surface of the moon in more detail than we have the bottoms of our oceans and our oceans are like 75 75 of our planet's ocean right well that's a you believe we went to the moon yeah okay i do think i really do think that um going back to the power of movies you know i wouldn't have made this movie or been interested in this topic had i not you know watched close encounters countless times and and and had my curiosity peaked and i think that you know my hope is there's people out there who start looking into this topic because they watch this documentary or because they watch steven's movie in in june and they start thinking about it differently taking it seriously so let's let's go through the movies and what they depicted and see if that's how it's really gonna happen close encounters we want to communicate with the uh aliens and we do it through as i recall a synthesizer you know he's he's playing this tune yeah and then they play the tune back yeah okay it's like yeah so maybe it's that then there was a movie called i think called arrival yeah it's a great movie too that is a great movie yeah i think i don't remember loving that one either that's really good yeah i feel like you gotta do a binge i feel like you're interested in this topic you gotta do a new so see i'm just looking as a uh you know now that you've watched this doc you gotta do a binge yeah okay but in that one i remember there was just a lot of uh the aliens writing in this big curlicue language on a screen and it was like it didn't look like anything we've ever seen but it was some sort of writing some sort of contact event some sort of communication yeah so how do you think it'll happen what how will we i mean shouldn't they know with all their advanced knowledge you can't they just have a english to alien thing in their phone that i mean you know some of some of the people in my film talk about how there have been contact events um some of the intelligence officials in my film talk about uh learning of an event that happened um where uap landed on a on a military base and non-human beings interacted with cia and air force officials when you see me when you mean to say interacted you mean dating no but what do you mean by interacting but they said they said they interacted they communicated somehow that's that's what you know uh well what's the intelligence officials they must if they're if they're testifying about this what's the somehow that was that was all it was said and they and the intelligence official in the film talks about a conversation he had with um president bush one and um yeah it's a fascinating part of the film halleman air force base is the name i loved it that bush too his comment was i ain't telling yeah that's one of the that's i mean that says a lot that was one of the i ain't telling but that was one of the coolest but texas if they try to mess with texas that but we're the point of the spear what he talks about in that section of the film i think it's fascinating uh a bunch of the people i interviewed revealed that during bush two's after 9 11 he was contemplating going public with the base facts that he had learned that we're not alone in the universe right and they held they held a multi-day i think it was two or three day think tank where they invited a couple dozen people to come and evaluate what the pros and cons would be and they basically ranked they were tasked with debating and then and then applying a number to the impact so on a scale of one to ten like ten being a bad impact too much impact one being minimal impact to every like vertical of society like religion the economy all these different areas they came up with and a number of the people that were um part of this think tank they went into it excited about it and hopeful that it will bring about disclosure and then they all came out on the other side deciding it would be a bad idea that the time wasn't right for it this was like right after 9 11 one of the people in that think tank is in my film yeah that would dr hal pudoff is the senior scientist for my film worked on a lot of classified uap programs well that wasn't bush one no there's two there was two right yeah one was the one who talked about it and the other one was the one who talked about it talked about the hell i see landing so this think tank was when bush 2 was yeah and then they decided not to do it and uh not to go public well that was prudent to use the father's term i mean not after 9 11 you know like it's let's deal with the jihadists before we deal with the aliens it's also come out recently um that cheney was very involved in covering this up no longer around obviously what are you saying something nefarious that the aliens killed him because he knew too much no no i'm saying he maybe maybe it'll lead to change that he's no longer yeah i don't think it was them he had a heart that plugged into the wall okay this guy was not well when he died but uh i didn't mean like that i mean he was involved in the decision to to not have it go public my guess is he would have had halliburton digging on the planet x-ray before they ever signed a deal but not to speak ill of the dead but um so what do you think will happen now you've seen you've seen a lot of people who have been killed but You've seen this documentary, you see how the truth is starting to come out. What do you think about it? - Well, again, I think the Spielberg movie is, I mean, it's Steven Spielberg. I think this will be sort of the ultimate moment in his amazing career. Because, as we were starting to say, movies do move people. People are a mass. They are the masses. They're called the masses for a reason. They're not called the bunch of intellectuals. They're the masses. I love them. I'm not putting them down. But I'm just saying, masses need to be moved by mass entertainment. And that has, you know, Hollywood, which I criticize a lot, and they deserve it a lot. But Hollywood, show business in general, is responsible for societal change probably more than any other part of society. I'm talking about. Couldn't agree with you more. And he's the greatest filmmaker of all time. He is, absolutely. I always say about him, he's known as the greatest filmmaker. He's still underrated. But, like, if you go back to Gentleman's Agreement in 1947, which is about anti-Semitism, which is back in style. But back then, they were against it, and they made movies like that. Racial issues. Who's coming. Guess who's coming to dinner in 1967? Gay issues. AIDS, disabilities, nuclear energy, China syndrome. I mean, when Hollywood addresses an issue. It does change minds. And it's mostly been for the better. It's mostly been, you know, liberal people saying, you know what, let's move up on this. Now, you know, we entered a woke era where I think we went a few subway stops past where we should have gotten off on some things. But basically, Hollywood has been a force for good in opening people's eyes to a lot of social issues that they need to have their eyes open to. And now, I think it's, you know. If we can, like, step up and do our part, it will be this issue. It will be technology, which really is the social issue of the day. Yeah. I know it is categorized differently as technology. But, I mean, when AI is poised to take, you know, God knows how many jobs from people, not to mention transform life in every other way, it's a social issue. It, of course, is a social issue. And, you know, this. Look, I don't know what the aliens. I don't know what they think of AI, but I'm guessing that that's another trigger moment for them, just the way the nuclear was. I mean, we got nuclear in 45. We got AI. We got chat GPT on the phone in 2023 or 2022, something like that. Okay, that to me is another really watershed moment. Yeah. And to them, you know, I'm guessing it's like, okay, as you said at the beginning of the show, maybe we're threatening them a little bit, getting closer to parity with what they know. I think we're still a long way away. But, of course, if you were prudent, as aliens, I think we all know are. We're getting to a level where they'll have to contend with us. They would have to contend with us. There's a deal with us. And they, you know. The, you know, I do think that, and I hope that the combination of my documentary, The Disclosure, and Stephen's film, Disclosure Day, you know, will. Will reach the masses and impact the way the average person thinks about this topic. What do you think the aliens are thinking as they're obviously watching this right now? Because they obviously have the technology. AI has the technology to monitor everything. So we have it. They certainly have it. So somebody is monitoring this right now, somebody or something. What do you think they're thinking about what we're saying? And before I let you answer, may I just. May I just say, I have always felt that aliens were among the finest people in my district. Mr. Chairman, I have to go to another meeting now, but I just want to say they are the salt of the earth. I'm doing the speech from Godfather 2. But really, what do you think they're thinking? Like, great guys, they get it about us. I mean, obviously, it's pure speculation. But, you know, the interesting thing about that question is. My takeaway from making this film. Is that we're not dealing with one non-human intelligent life. My takeaway is that there is a lot of intelligent life out there. And that they, like humans, they probably all have different intentions and different points of view. You just opened up a can of worms. I'm going to have to have another drink. So, yeah, you're right. Like, we're talking about the, like, like it's a singular force. It's not. So it's like talking about the government as a singular thing when, you know, there's all these moving parts. And is there evidence of that? Like, like different aircraft, different bodies? Yes, yes. So. But one of the intelligence officials. They must be aware of each other. One of the really brave things someone said in my film, Hal Pudoff, who's, you know, considered a gray beard in the intelligence community. He's worked on a lot of classified UAP programs. He says on camera that the recoveries have included the crashed UAP that have been retrieved. Those crash sites have included the bodies of non-humans and that the bodies were not all the same type, implying different species. But could be different species who are. Working and living together. Yeah, sure. Anything's possible. I mean, you're just. I mean, certainly that's what's going on on every starship I've ever seen on television. I mean, from Star Trek to the Orville or, you know, any of those shows, there's always, you know, humans like Captain Kirk working with Vulcans like Mr. Spock. And then there's the robot guy. And then there's the guy with the. Looks human, but she's really a hot chick. And they just make her eyebrows look weird. And she's got pointy. But she's still a hot chick. And, you know, just there's everything. So that could be the case. Or it could be. Because certainly they're working in concert. Certainly they are not beefing. We would know that. Well, we don't. I don't. Come on. I don't think we would know. We would. If they were beefing right above us. If non-human intelligent life that we're not fully aware of has conflict, I think it's naive to think we would understand that. Really? Yeah. But they wouldn't be trying to, in some way, defeat each other? I mean, I think all possibilities are on the table. Yeah. I really do. I think that what is really happening is probably scenarios that we can't even imagine. Yeah, that's right. I agree. You know? Like, we're looking at this all through. Our lens. Yeah, our lenses. Right. And what we understand. Do you think we'll catch up to that in your lifetime? No. No. I think the base facts. I think my film brings out the base facts. I mean, to be honest, I think this film is disclosure. This is 34 really high-level military government intelligence officials breaking their silence on what they can lawfully disclose, telling you what they have become aware of, putting their reputation on the line to tell you the facts, and let you know this is real, here's the circumstances, here's how we got here, here's the lay of the land, just putting it all on the table. Right. I think, you know, for optics, that can be. It can be upped by a president stepping to the microphone and definitively saying it, but we already just got told the truth, you know? Like, Rubio's one of the, you know. Rubio's on camera in my film more than 33 other people, right? 32 other people. And now he's our Secretary of State and our now Security Advisor. He's not a lunatic who said crazy things and then got pushed aside. He said very important, serious things, and then he got put in the second most powerful position on the planet. Well, to be fair, there are lunatics in our government. He is not one of them. No, he's definitely not. He's not one of them. He is one of the more adults. He's a very thoughtful. Yes, I agree. and serious person. No, I'm very glad he's there. Yeah. Because I don't know if you saw him standing behind Trump the other day when Trump was saying, we're taking over Venezuela, and he's like, oh, Jesus. You know, and then, of course, he comes back the next day. It reminds me a little like Bush and Tony Blair. Bush would say something stupid, and then Tony Blair would translate it into English, and we'd all be reassured. And then Rubio. Rubio comes out the next day and says, we're not taking over Venezuela, okay? We're affecting the policy, and, you know, and that's okay. I'm glad there's adults, and I'm glad on this issue that he is one of them because, you know, it is going to take balls. It's one of the reasons why I do think that we might see, you know, the current president, you know, not this week, not next week, but sometime in the near future step to the microphone and make that statement because he's got Rubio behind him, and Rubio is so aware of the truth, and he's becoming. I'm even more aware of the truth now that he's the national security advisor. I'm absolutely sure Trump will do the right thing with this as long as it involves making money from crypto. Okay. As long as the disclosure will also involve a tremendous payoff to the family because he does remind me of a very corrupt sheriff who also does clean up the town. I mean, I think the pay. Sometimes he does clean up the town. The payoff will be huge. I mean, I think that is a move that would be, you know, the response would be incredible. It would get so much support around the world for someone to find a leader, you know, a leader of the free world to step to the microphone and tell all of humanity the truth at once about the biggest cover-up in the history of the world. I mean, it'd be a pretty amazing moment, so I do hope it happens. Yeah. I mean, that's a very optimistic. view that people would take it um with you know such a plumb maybe they will uh again i i feel like a lot of the reason why they haven't disclosed stuff is because they do fear panic that the government does that a lot look at how they overreacted to covid and lied about certain now i'm not please don't start with the anti-vaxxer i'm glad we got the vaccine and it saved millions of people's lives i didn't want it okay said my thing but the government did suppress a lot because they were just afraid that people if they heard the wrong information which wasn't always wrong they would do the wrong thing they don't really trust the people so whether they would trust them with an issue like this i do think that's a bigger part of it than than you seem to want no no i think no i think it's a huge i think it's a huge oh you do yeah so look like i said earlier this this technology one of the takeaways from making this film became very clear to me that this technology that uap have the technology that make uap work that technology can be used to revolutionize the way we live or it can destroy everything you can literally i mean that's just to say it clearly it can be used to instantaneously deliver an nuclear weapon to the other side of the planet that is the most terrifying thing of all time right and so if you if you make that technology public and this new energy source public people could weaponize it if you want to make that technology public if you make that technology public people could weaponize it so so so yes they're 100 percent everyone i interviewed talked about how that is the humanitarian issue that we face and it's held back sharing this for a very long time and the only way forward to make it public and get those benefits would be to open up some of it the base facts about it and and and treat it like we treat nuclear technology right like that became a humanitarian issue nuclear technology is known we know we we use it for good and we also know that nuclear weapons exist the average person is not told about like the capabilities of nuclear weapons the vulnerabilities how many we have how many are being made where they're stored no we know that no we don't there's tons of information about nuclear weapons that are classified okay we know how many we have it's in treaties i i could tell you how many we have i don't think that information is all out there to be honest but the the but you have no but you're not you're just you're just saying that you don't have any you don't have any reason to say that i i don't think this analogy has been made to me it has been made to me by a number of intelligence officials and government officials how that is the only actual reference point for how to handle this and make it humanitarian issue you know use the technology openly for for good and i'm just saying when it comes to like knowing how many nuclear weapons we have we do know and we do know what they can do i mean we've been trying to reduce the number for decades and decades some people have made some progress we used to actually have more we still have way too many i mean we have enough to like destroy the planet a zillion times over so what's the point but you know there was a time when we and the soviet union each had something like thirty thousand thirty thousand nuclear weapons i mean what would it take to just create a total nuclear winner probably less than a hundred yeah so what was the point of thirty thousand so they got it down but it's still it's still i don't know what it is now ten thousand or something but it's it's a crazy number still but we do know not everything is a giant secret it doesn't matter i mean it doesn't matter i mean i i think there's a lot regarding weapons that is classified but maybe i'm sure it is the point but the point they're making i know i don't want joe blow to know where they all are yeah i mean yeah the point they're making is like to to get the benefit of this technology you'd have to make a lot of this public but there's a downside to that because bad actors could use that information yeah to create weapons of mass destruction and so that's this humanitarian issue that that exists right now that is a real hurdle but we have had the ability to destroy the world since 1945 i mean that's really the big uh change over point in history not this with the aliens this will be bigger in different ways but yeah could they wipe us out yes but we've had the ability as we never had before 1945 to wipe out ourselves before that it was always well you know if that's a thing god will do or he won't do you know god will come jesus is going to come down and you know they're going to kill everybody except 144 000 jews they get uh grandfathered into heaven and whatever that is uh but now we really do i mean mankind has what is he saying what does oppenheimer say he's some weirdo he's saying we're having mercedes and we have become the destroyer of worlds yeah you're the destroyer of worlds i mean that's a sea change and again i think that's what alarmed the aliens because maybe they i don't know what other planets are like or where they're from or uh whether they are they're eyeing this as some sort of great place or some i mean there's a lot of what ifs i mean like here's a what if what if this trajectory we're on technologically was a trajectory that another species or another form of humanity was on somewhere else and it led to destruction you know and they're they're watching us to see if history's going to repeat itself you know are we on the same trajectory that other people have been on in the past who knows but i'm just saying i mean people have always talked about earth like it's the goldilocks planet and when you look at other planets they are awful desolate i mean i've done two very funny i must say editorials about how silly it is for us and elon musk in particular to be so all head up and getting to mars mars like how bad would we have to rat this planet where it was worse than a place that's 270 degrees below zero has no air has six month giant dust storms you have to live underground because of the radiation i mean how bad would it have to get every planet looks like a horrible so like if i was an alien i'd be like whoa this place has cabo you know this this place has beaches and it's balmy and it's nice now maybe that doesn't affect them but maybe it does that i think could be a the fact that we're so attractive i mean makes them want to rape us stumped you on that one doc huh yeah i mean i personally think musk knows a lot more about uh musk this situation elon i think he knows a lot really about the situation then do tell then then he has talked about how does he know it's impossible to have how does he the level of clearances he has and operate in space and not be aware of these facts i mean really there are numerous nasa astronauts highly respected nasa astronauts who have come back and talked about uap activity they saw while in space right there is a number of um there's a lot of activity that's been documented in space a number of the intelligence officials i interviewed talk talk to me about it um i had like a i had a section that was going to be about this in the film i just cut it for time because i had to get this thing under two hours but uh if i put everything in there i wanted it would be a four-hour movie well the whole thing was a director's cut because an independent film there is there's no studio yeah no but i mean director's cut meaning make a longer version just like we're doing this is a longer version of what we started on i might make a sequel i might make a sequel there's been um i've seen a lot of excitement maybe the aliens could partner with it just provide some of the finance financing that'd be nice you know they must be flush i've thought about it i've thought about a sequel we'll see we'll see what what happens let's see what happens yeah i want to see what happens inside a government i know what happens after the spielberg movie yeah the spielberg movie is going to be very good for you and and for the this idea of getting i mean just a lot more people are going to be asking the question that you are prompting them to ask that needs to be you know fairly settled as we said in the way that evolution was at some point settled climate change at some point was settled let's move on to the next realistic question yeah which as you say is who are they what do they want yeah and you know and are and how do we communicate with them and is the us leading in this technology race that's super important you know and if they say take us to your leader who do we say is our real leader because we i mean come on we don't want to we don't want to take him there because he'll show them the ballroom it'll be all about the ballroom i know you came a long way but i just want to say i want to see it happen i want to see him in rubio step to the microphone and tell us the truth that's really truly what i want to see happen and you know he's got the balls to do it i'll give him that you know in in the movie um we put the kennedy space race where he says that technology has no conscious of its own it's up to mankind whether they use it for good or for bad and that is why as to quote kennedy he said that's why it's imperative the us help lead the way so they can be a part of the decision to use space technology for good and he compares it to nuclear technology he's like space technology like nuclear technology has no conscious of its own and this is that situation on steroids and so i do think it calls for a leader to step up and say that say that oh it definitely does this technology could be used for good could be used for bad the us wants to help make sure it's used for good and we're going to put our resources and our brain power towards it that would rally academia the scientific community i'm just amazing if they do say take us to your leader and and that is donald trump i mean he is the president of america and that is the leader of the free world, if they're going to base their ideas about how we all are, I mean, you know, he's got some points that aren't completely horrible, but I mean, there's a lot there. There's a lot there that's going to make them go, what the fuck have we gotten us into here? I mean, I wouldn't want them to think we're that narcissistic. I wouldn't want them to think we're that corrupt. You know, I mean, I feel like he really does want to clean up the town. He does want to be the hero sheriff who cleans up the town. And I'm not going to lie and say that there's things that don't need cleaning up. I mean, the borders were too open. You know, colleges are crazy out of control. I could go on. But I would hate the aliens to base their judgment on us based on how he has handled these issues, even when he identifies, you know, I don't want to put tariffs on spacecraft. You know, I mean, it just wouldn't be a good look for humans. I mean, I don't know who the human is I would like for them to see. I would imagine that we're viewed as a whole. That's my takeaway. I think that humanity is viewed as a whole. Like, we're all in this together. And the reality of it is. The reality of it is, you know, like, not a great look that Putin's invading sovereign nations, right? Not a good look that. Putin, another guy I would not want them to base. I would rather them basis on Trump than Putin. Okay? I mean, there are worse guys. I mean, yeah. But okay, so. What do you think? Here's the thing. Like, you just got to also think about all the technology, technological breakthroughs that could come out of this. There's a scene, part of my Rubio interview that ended up getting cut out for time, was he spent a few minutes talking, making the point that there were like 35,000, I think it was maybe 32,000 really significant inventions that came off the back of the space race, right? It was a single mission, get to the moon, but all these other inventions came off the back of that technology race that impact our life every day. And his point was, we don't know. I remember you meant. Yeah, you said. But there's a lot. There's a lot of politics and stuff that has helped make progress in the medical field. GPS, didn't we get that from this? I think so. I think so. I don't, to be honest, I don't remember. But his point was, we don't know what's going to come off the back of taking this more seriously and putting the right power and resources towards this. And, you know, it's foolish to rule out the fact that it might change our lives for the better. You know, we don't know. It might. So, look, my hope is that just that happens. I mean, to quote every invader ever, resistance is futile. Resistance is futile. I mean, if they want to kick our ass, I'm sure they can. So, I mean, probably best to make friends with Keanu Reeves like that. And just get our shit together as a species, you know? And just get our. Yeah, that's not going to happen because we're so divided. I once did a whole thing about this. Like, when I was a kid and they said, well, mankind would unite if there was an attack from Mars. Well, it's that Reagan speech. Remember? Reagan gave that speech in the UN. He says, I often think that nothing would reunite all of humanity and make us see what we have in common. They would not. It would not happen. As soon as the aliens landed, the Republicans and the Democrats would try to get them. To be on their side against the other party. This reminded me of another funny. Actually, probably the only funny thing said in my documentary. Rubio says, this is not a partisan issue in our country. And then he slides in, at least not yet. And I think he's right that eventually, you know, disclosure will happen on a bigger level and then we'll find some sort of partisan divide. Candace Owens, the day after they land, is not going to be saying, you know what? Let's all get together, people. Let's. No, she's going to say some crazy shit. And there's going to be 5 million people who see it and follow that. And Tucker Carlson is going to be doing that same shit. And there's going to be people on the left, not as crazy, but crazy also. We're going to do stuff like that. I just don't see that as our saving grace. Okay. So before I forget, I want to. Because the one issue I want to get to only because I know someone who. I know someone who had an experience. You mentioned contact before. I know someone who actually feels like they saw something on the ground, you know, men in black kind of stuff, which we haven't talked about yet. They thought they were abducted or they just saw something? No, no, no. Not abducted. Just went out to the woodshed late at night and opened the door. And there was obviously something there that was not a bobcat. Wow. Where? I can't say. I can't say anything more. Sworn to secrecy. This person is very. It spooked him. And he's not an easily spooked person. But yes, I'm guessing he's not the only one who has such an experience. I've heard from a lot of people ever since I. Before the movie came out, when I put the trailer online in January of last year, people started reaching out to me. Very credible people. Some Hollywood folks, like filmmakers who have. A filmmaker who won Best Picture reached out to me to share the story of something he saw. Well, I don't know if Hollywood and credible are the two words you want to put together. No, I'm kidding. This particular person was very credible. No, there are some people. Senators. There's a senator who's never, never spoken up publicly about this topic ever. He reached out to talk about something him and his son witnessed on a fishing trip. And he was like, "I'm really glad you're getting this movie out there. People need to learn there's more out there than us." And that was a wild conversation. What happened on the fishing trip? They were on a fishing trip out in open water and they saw a giant craft right above their heads. That's all he told me. But super serious guy. I'd never spoken to him prior. He reached out. That you hear a lot. I'm talking about. I mean, that's pretty extraordinary. It's very extraordinary, but it's still a little bit removed from actually being here in some sort of form on earth. That you hear a lot. That I really don't doubt anymore. There's just too many sightings of that, where they're observing from close quarters, but not here. So this friend of yours saw a being? A being, yes. Yeah. I mean, one of the intelligence officials in the film goes. Remember the guy, Dray Stratton, who I talked about earlier, he goes on record in the film saying that he has seen a non-human being with his own eyes and. Well, if we have the corpses, right, is that in dispute anymore? I don't think so. You don't think so? No. We have alien corpses. Numerous very senior intelligence officials have gone on the record saying that. And people have said. I mean, I know people in the movie that you made say, "If you saw what I saw with my own eyes." Right? Yeah. I'm assuming that's what they're talking about. They've seen an actual body. Yeah. You know, I mean, it's one thing. People have testified under oath to Congress saying this. David Grush, one of the intelligence officials who testified, he talked about non-human beings. I mean, it makes a difference when. Now, this is not firsthand because I haven't seen it, but it makes a difference to me when somebody very close to a situation says they saw something. Like, to give an analogy, that's ridiculous, but I remember having a discussion a long time ago with some bunch of people sitting around, and somebody said Tom Cruise was gay, which was a rumor that was going around for a while because they say about everybody who's successful. Yeah. And somebody who is another movie star said, "I saw Tom Cruise with my own eyes fuck a girl." And this is a long time ago, when they were very young, but it was like, it always stuck. Did you ask him why he was looking? It always stuck with me. You know, it's just like. Why were you watching? Well, you know what? When you're 22 and you're on a movie set, it could happen. I'm not saying he watched him do it. I'm saying he saw with his own eyes Tom Cruise. Okay. So, like, that to me always said, like, okay, you know what? However many times you want to convince me that so-and-so is gay or so-and-so is gay, you know, at the end of the day, you're just fucking pulling shit out of your ass. Anyway. Look, I really think. As far as this goes, like, if somebody credible says something like this, it just adds a lot of weight for me. Yeah. And so. To me, that's the greatest evidence because I've said this on a bunch of interviews. I've done about the movie. I full-heartedly believe you could put a 4K video taken from a military base of a UFO over a nuclear weapons site, and half the human population will say it's fake, it's made by AI. Right. Some Hollywood producer did it. Right. Like, that's where we're at as a society. No, I get it. But people putting their reputation on the line. I mean, a number of the people in my film intend to run for president one day, you know? A number of the people in my film are still actively working in the intelligence community. These are people who have a lot to lose. by destroying their reputation with bullshit. - But I want to go back deeper a little into this thing about the men in black aspect of it because that doesn't it seems to be the one part you don't really get into too much like um i mean we talk about the lake we talk about the legacy program that a number of people in my film reveal that the program that has been keeping this all away from the public is referred to as the legacy program in the film they break down which elements of government are in it uh the cia the air force uh department of energy and major defense contractors make up this this program called the legacy program i personally think that when people have historically referred to quote-unquote men in black they're referring to people who have been affiliated with the legacy program that's what i think but i'm asking about the idea that there are beings say they are able to take human form i personally don't think they're they're doing that right now i think that's a movie yeah i don't i've never heard that okay but that would be the next step for them to do i mean if they wanted to really get up close and personal i mean certainly that's men in black that's also the movie um you know what's the they redid it with nicole kidman uh you know uh what's that body snatchers no it's so it's body snatchers yes exactly body snatchers um i i think that's science fiction quite frankly yeah i think so and it it sort of hurts the cause when people go to these places yeah maybe where we're not yet yeah um yeah but the idea that they're that they would want to have some sort of presence actually on the ground and it's not crazy to me because wouldn't you want to do you think you could really get every bit of information you need from hovering in a spacecraft i mean at some point don't you have to sort of like get a little more up close and personal with planet earth and the people in it before i mean how did they get the people they must have landed at some point if what do you think about the what was the book communion which was the big one i didn't get into abductions in the film because i thought you know i was i was making this film for the masses right for your average person who's hasn't already gone down the rabbit hole and kind of been convinced but this is this is supposed to be a very digestible accessible movie so i think that's a good point i think you're right so i didn't get into that because there's a communion i think it's a bridge too far if people you did the whole thing no for my film i thought it was a bridge before i do think there's a there there i have talked to a number of people who i mean if people don't remember what communion was it's a book that whitley stryber i think it was the author and what it basically was i'm really you know back of the envelope here but a lot of people had a very very similar experience that's why he calls it communion yeah and when you ask them i think independently but certainly in a group um what was what happened they just had this experience it involved someone and they kind of describe him the same way like four foot tall the almond eyes that you know it's the classic i interviewed military personnel like real people with great resumes who had experiences on military bases and then claim that they were abducted i i interviewed them and it's very incomprehensible and i think it's compelling to hear them talk and people who don't know each other having similar stories it's it's extremely compelling but why do you think they they all look i mean they all say like four foot tall like well they don't all say that to be clear they they they there's there's different there's a few different they all did in communion did that yes that seemed to be yeah maybe that was just the species that was involved at the time well in that book that's what they talk about but i mean if they really are that is what they talk about but i mean if they really are that advanced wouldn't they be taller i mean they must know that everybody swipes left on any there's a few different there's a few different types of being that are described regularly by people who say they've been abducted there's if you want to go down a really interesting rabbit hole there's there's a um there's a uh uh it's like a famous psychiatrist who has passed away he died in a horrible accident um but his name was john mack and he was the head of child psychiatry at harvard and you say it was an accident he i do i do believe it was an accident he was riding his bike and he got hit by a car but i think i think he got hit by a spaceship riding his bike but you should read his books he he was a very straight-laced uh psychiatrist he was at the time he was the most famous child psychiatrist in the world and um he started seeing some patients who would claim to be abducted and he at first thought maybe they just you know were crazy people and then he started to go down the rabbit hole a little more and he started to go down the rabbit hole a little more and he started to go down the rabbit hole a little more and he started to believe that what these people believe that what these people say they experienced they really did experience he started to find all say they experienced they really did experience he started to find all these commonalities these commonalities people had no relationship to each other well that's that was what was people had no relationship to each other well that's that was what was compelling about that book i'm not compelling about that book i'm not saying i'm 100 believing it but i do remember it at the time saying i'm 100 believing it but i do remember it at the time and i do remember a lot of people talking and i do remember a lot of people talking about it and it was uh to say the least odd now there are about it and it was uh to say the least odd now there are odd psychological phenomenon that do psychological phenomenon that do happen here on earth yeah um but it was odd that so many people happen here on earth yeah um but it was odd that so many people would have such a similar uh memory of would have such a similar uh memory of something and it was a vague memory they you know they something and it was a vague memory they you know they seem to have been uh abducted if this is the seem to have been uh abducted if this is the story they you know they came back and it was like boy my story they you know they came back and it was like boy my ass is sore not everyone not everyone that ass is sore not everyone not everyone that that's that's okay i've actually interviewed a lot of that's that's okay i've actually interviewed a lot of people who say they've adopted that had did not people who say they've adopted that had did not have that experience but it did have have that experience but it did have that experience but it did have to some people to some people to some people okay well let's just say the good-looking okay well let's just say the good-looking okay well let's just say the good-looking ones ones ones uh they you know either uh they you know either uh they you know either the aliens abducted me or there was the aliens abducted me or there was the aliens abducted me or there was something at john waters uh after something at john waters uh after something at john waters uh after halloween party no but uh halloween party no but uh halloween party no but uh you know it just seemed like there was you know it just seemed like there was you know it just seemed like there was this is why i didn't include it because this is why i didn't include it because this is why i didn't include it because it's a slippery slope to someone not it's a slippery slope to someone not it's a slippery slope to someone not taking it serious taking it serious taking it serious and uh you know but i take everything and uh you know but i take everything and uh you know but i take everything i think there's i think there's a i think there's i think there's a i think there's i think there's a i think there's a there there as i think there's a there there as i think there's a there there as bizarre as that is well i feel like it's bizarre as that is well i feel like it's bizarre as that is well i feel like it's moved in phases i feel like there was moved in phases i feel like there was moved in phases i feel like there was the roswell phase and then there was a the roswell phase and then there was a phase where they seem to be and this phase where they seem to be and this phase where they seem to be and this also is um also is um also is um what's the what's the what's the close encounters close encounters close encounters that seems to be that phase where they that seems to be that phase where they that seems to be that phase where they were were were more they were interested in more they were interested in more they were interested in getting up close and personal getting up close and personal getting up close and personal and they did need to find out what a and they did need to find out what a and they did need to find out what a human body was like and maybe that is human body was like and maybe that is human body was like and maybe that is what the anal probes were all about well what the anal probes were all about well what the anal probes were all about well i mean i mean i mean a moment in close encounters that most a moment in close encounters that most a moment in close encounters that most people forget about people forget about people forget about is at the very end when the craft lands is at the very end when the craft lands is at the very end when the craft lands and the doors open and the doors open and the doors open people walk off of it yes pilots right people walk off of it yes pilots right people walk off of it yes pilots right air force pilots from the 50s or the air force pilots from the 50s or the air force pilots from the 50s or the 60s right 60s right 60s right that haven't aged a day right that haven't aged a day right that haven't aged a day right and and and i think he put that in the movie because i think he put that in the movie because i think he put that in the movie because he knew that the abduction situation is he knew that the abduction situation is he knew that the abduction situation is a real situation a real situation a real situation and wanted to at least address it a and wanted to at least address it a and wanted to at least address it a little bit little bit little bit but did in a way genius spielberg way but did in a way genius spielberg way but did in a way genius spielberg way where where where a lot of people don't even pay a lot of people don't even pay a lot of people don't even pay attention to it that is the whole build attention to it that is the whole build attention to it that is the whole build up to the craft landing was enough for up to the craft landing was enough for them and them and them and you know well he put that in a movie you know well he put that in a movie you know well he put that in a movie because he works in hollywood and because he works in hollywood and because he works in hollywood and hollywood if you say have an age today hollywood if you say have an age today hollywood if you say have an age today you got me all right i think a lot thank you got me all right i think a lot thank you got me all right i think a lot thank you you you fascinating stuff man this is fascinating stuff man this is fascinating stuff man this is fascinating stuff and i think you're fascinating stuff and i think you're fascinating stuff and i think you're doing a great job getting it out there doing a great job getting it out there doing a great job getting it out there it's important work i think you will be it's important work i think you will be it's important work i think you will be remembered for your important work i remembered for your important work i remembered for your important work i appreciate you yeah you know paying appreciate you yeah you know paying appreciate you yeah you know paying attention to it oh no no no using your attention to it oh no no no using your attention to it oh no no no using your platform i'm a realist into this this platform i'm a realist into this this platform i'm a realist into this this topic i i you know topic i i you know topic i i you know i take from both sides because people i take from both sides because people i take from both sides because people they say they want honesty they don't they say they want honesty they don't they say they want honesty they don't you're from jersey like i'm from jersey you're from jersey like i'm from jersey you're from jersey like i'm from jersey like you so that's that's how you gotta like you so that's that's how you gotta like you so that's that's how you gotta be all right pal thank you thanks man all right pal thank you thanks man all right pal thank you 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