422: D4vd Prelim Hearing, Multiple Marriages in House of Horrors & 17 Year Old Attacks Parents with Knife

Hey true crime besties, welcome back to an all-new episode of "Serialist's Suite". Hello, hello, hello, and welcome back to an all-new episode of "Serialist's Suite" with me, your host Annie Elise. Happy Thursday. I hope you're having a good week so far. There is a lot that is going on. We are in the throes of the David Prelim hearing. There are case updates. There are new cases that there is so much to go over today. If you're a brand new listener, let me just give you a little bit of a rundown first and foremost before we get into it. A, if you're watching the video version of this, you can see this is not my normal tech setup. I am doing this via StreamYard, so the audio might not be as crisp as usual, same with the video, but bear with me. But anyways, on Mondays we do a full deep dive together where we go into, you know, I go into a full singular case, researching it, giving you all of the details, everything that we can figure out through outreach, FOIA requests, court records, you name it, and then Thursdays come, like today, and it's headline highlights, which means breaking down everything that is happening in true crime this week, whether it's breaking news, updates and cases, trial updates, whatever it may be, just so that you feel like you can, you know, have the pulse on what's going on in the true primeral, because unfortunately it is a lot to keep up with because there is so much crime happening. And there's no shortage of it. So with that, we are going to get into today's episode. Like I said, we have a lot to talk about, but before we do, I have to say, I am joined by Amy, the great. Welcome to headline highlights. Well, I didn't realize I was just going to pop up. That's the one benefit to StreamYard is I can hide you and then bring you in and scare everybody. Well, you didn't see me because I was trying to say something to you right before we started, and you weren't answering, so I thought maybe I just wasn't going to be on the episode at all, and then all of a sudden, here I am, you were muted while you were backstage. Sorry, sorry, man. Thanks for the grand entrance. So I kind of want to say headline highlights is obviously HH for short, but I think we could also be CC for short today. Coast to coast. Oh, God. Amy is in sunny California while I'm in rainy New York, so coast to coast. Wait, hold on. I see you. I'm having a moment. What? HH, CC, AA, dare I say kawa. Coast to coast. Annie and Amy headline highlights. We are ready. I miss you taking care of losing it over there. I am. I'm getting a little stir crazy. I'm ready to get back to California, I think, then a little much for me, which speaking of California, okay? We need to jump right in because there is a lot going on with David. And so there is some progress being made against the case against David Anthony Burke, otherwise known as David, D4VD, you name it. And I feel like everybody knows about this case by now, but if you are new here for some reason or you are not familiar with it, I did a deep dive back a while ago into some of the early information that we knew things about how David and Celeste were connected, how everything really came to a head last September of 2025. And since then, there have been a ton of updates in this case, which I've been keeping you guys informed on via headline highlights. Maybe I need to do a full mashup. I don't know. Let me know if that would be helpful because there is a lot of information that continuously is coming out. Giving you just a very top line refresher in all of this. David Burke is a man who has been charged with the death of 14 year old Celeste Rivas Hernandez. Her decomposed and dismembered remains were discovered inside the front trunk of his Tesla back in September of last year. However, that's after her remains had been there for a month, after he dumped the car in July. Prof. Cuter is also a ledge that David had been grooming Celeste for years, starting when she was just 11 years old. And that then after she threatened to expose their relationship when she discovered that he was dating other women, seeing other people, he wanted to silence her, he planned and carried out her murder. This is what they are alleging and that he lured her to his house in the Hollywood hills of area and murdered her kind of sat on her body for a little while, ordered supplies to dismember her, and then ultimately disposed of her. And there's kind of three chunks to this case. There's the beginning, the middle, and the end. And these three chunks are actually rolled up into what he's being charged with. You have the beginning piece of it, which is the grooming, the underage relationship, C. Sam material, which I'm going to touch on here in a minute, you have the middle of it, their actual relationship with that C. Sam material, then him allegedly murdering Celeste, and then you have the ending, which is him trying to cover it up, you can see a levidence, and you know, act as though he had nothing to do with this. So he's currently facing charges for first degree murder with special circumstances, which the special circumstances include lying in weight, continuous child, physical, and sexual assault under the for a child under the age of 14, and unlawful mutilation of human remains. So he was charged back in April and has been held ever since then, which his defense team is adamant saying he is innocent. They can't wait to prove his innocence, although even the evidence that we've been able to witness based on the prelim brief, I mean, there is a lot of compelling evidence in this case. So fast forward to this week and the prelim hearing is happening, which the purpose of this is to have a hearing in front of the judge where the judge will decide if there is enough evidence to take this case to trial. I would be completely shocked if this case didn't go to trial. I am so convinced that they have enough evidence and that this is moving forward. But according to the DA, the hearing started on Tuesday, the 21st, and it's actually expected to take anywhere from three to seven days. So it is underway right now. Could be finishing soon. Could take a few more days. It depends on, you know, as of the time of this recording, it is still going on at the time that this episode is released. Maybe it will be wrapped, but it is happening right now. Now the DA also said, quote, the evidence that's going to be presented is going to be very thorough. It will track the less movements on that particular night back in April of 2025, all the way through September of 2025, when her body was found dismembered in multiple bags in the front trunk of the Tesla. Now, you know me, I'm always doing digging on the back end, and a lot of news right now that I've seen a lot of creators posting as breaking news or, you know, a brand new revelation. It's actually old news, and it was outlined in the prelim brief, but I don't think that a lot of people like went through the prosecutors brief went through all of the paperwork, but there is a lot of stuff that is outlined in there, which to me does make it seem like there's plenty of compelling evidence. But also, I know that more things, or I should say, I'm confident that more things are going to be exposed during this prelim that will paint this even darker picture unfortunately. So, back in April, some of the information that it was presented, and that they will be presenting during this hearing in addition to probably more, is the descriptions of the CCAM material that was found, found from when Celeste was 13 or 14 years old, numerous text messages between David and Celeste that was evidence of their sexual relationship, potential pregnancies, terminations, the use of the plan B pill, which is also known, you know, street name, morning after pill, messages going back and forth where Celeste herself says, "All we do is have sex. I want more for myself," which is actually so heartbreaking when you think about it, this young girl being groomed by this adult man wanting this relationship to be something more, just saying vocally like, "I feel like all we do is have sex." Like, this isn't what I want for myself. They're also going to show David's activity on his cell phone and his communications from his iPhone, his Tesla, all sorts of devices to show his, the pattern, the track record, his movements, everything, DNA evidence that were collected from David's garage, which is where they alleged he dismembered her, and guys just wait for it. I have so much more information that is coming your way in the next hopefully few months about this, but it's disgusting. They're also going to show the proof of the Amazon purchases that he made that delivered to his house, but he made under the fake name where he bought the chain saws, plural, the kitty pool, cadaver bags, all sorts of items to clean, cover up, and conceal this crime. Uber records showing that he called her an Uber the night of the murder on April 23rd, 2025, and that she did arrive via Uber to his house in the Hollywood Hills area that night, and then also proof that he had a lucrative career, that he was about to have his album released. He was going on tour, anything that got in the way of that. was going to jeopardize his fame, his money, his celebrity, all of it, and he couldn't have that. He wanted to silence her. The briefing also gives the background of how Celeste was found in that Tesla, when the relationship between the two of them first began, when Celeste was reported as a missing and runaway child, and kind of just how the whole investigation has played out after her body was found. Now again, this whole brief was submitted back in April. So I am very confident that there is going to be more evidence presented in this hearing, things that we do not know of yet, because in the brief, all they had to show was enough of their game plan, enough evidence to make, we have enough, they had the arrest warrant as well, like here's enough to hold him. Here's why we don't think you should grant bail. Here's a little bit sneak preview of what we've got against him. Now that might be enough in this prelim to make the judge sign off on the trial. But also, like I said, I think they're very well could be more that is shown. So I will definitely follow up once it wraps, if it has not wrapped by now, at the time of this episode being published, but I think we're going to learn a lot more here. So I am happy that it's finally underway. It seems to be moving through the court system at a relatively fast pace. And I'm hoping that we are just a hop skip and away from justice finally being served, and this ass-hat creep being locked up. - Let me ask you, I know you feel like there's no doubt that there's going to be enough compelling evidence to take it to trial. But what do you think the chances are of him taking a plea deal? - I don't know that they would necessarily offer him a plea deal, only because I do think the evidence is that strong. However, we did see with Brian Cobrager, that whole situation happened, which I think part of that was a misstep by the prosecutor's office. Also, I think it was to help the families avoid going to trial and having to relive the horrifying detail. So I would be shocked if there were a plea deal. I mean, I guess he also wouldn't complicate things if they do, in fact, through this extra evidence find out that maybe he had help or there was someone else involved. 'Cause then it would have to be multiple plea deals, right? - Well, yeah, if they think that he had help, which they have not announced that, they may have at this point at this episode being released, they have not announced yet. However, I have talked with so many different experts in the space, and the fact that he ordered two chainsaws is indicative that he probably had help, or he didn't know what size and type of chainsaw was going to work. So he ordered two different ones. We don't know the exact skew at this point, as if they were identical or not. But there seems to be a lot of belief that he did have help, not necessarily with the crime itself, but with the cover-up. And because so many of his friends vocalize that the house smells, his car smells obviously, there seems to be knowledge. We also know that the secret grand jury happened back in the, what was it, like late fall, early winter, and they brought a lot of his friends in to testify. So there is more knowledge there, which again, I don't know that they would jump to a plea deal right away, because there's so many of the special circumstances charge. There are other people in the web of his life that I think played some role. I'll just say that in all of this. So I don't know, I mean, I am surprised every day with the way some of these defendants end up not getting off, but getting, and not a stop on the wrist, but like the way things go. So nothing would surprise me at this point. However, I believe there will be a trial. - Yeah, hopefully. I mean, I feel like she's less deserves that. - Well, Anne, I think that there's a lot of questions still that will come to light with her parents, because if you have been following this case, you know that there have been a lot of allegations for months, if not years, that her parents were not complicit in this. Obviously, they wouldn't want their daughter killed, but that they were okay with the relationship, that they blessed it, that they were possibly receiving money from David, and that's why they allowed it to keep happening. And I don't know that any of that is true. Truly, I don't, they've refused to speak out. They are not participating in any documentaries, but obviously if they're called to testify as a witness, they will have to disclose that. And as they're going through forensic accounting and all of that, any sort of money exchange and transactions that will be illustrated. So I think there's just a lot more information that will come to light in the trial. However, again, that could be a reason from Celeste family side to agree to a plea deal. It's the prosecutors present that as an option. I don't know, because they don't want it out there. Who knows? Who knows? So we'll see, keeping a close eye on it. - Okay. Well, this next case is one that's been all over all of our feeds. It's one that's all over social media, and it's because there's a lot of unanswered questions, but then also a lot of speculation going on right now. So this all took place on the afternoon of June 6, around 430, when a 911 call came in from a home in Chester Township, New Jersey, which is about 40 minutes outside of New York City. And the caller was James Conner Hamlin, who had told dispatchers that he had found his wife, Brooke Hamlin, unconscious, not breathing, and covered in blood inside their home. Now, their house sits on a very narrow, wooded road where all the homes are very far apart, and Brooke was found upstairs. And during the call, Conner had told dispatchers that Brooke had elaceration to her chest, which then he was instructed to give CPR and for several minutes, he stayed on the phone with that 911 dispatcher, while they walked him through chest compressions until the first responders arrived. And take a listen to that call here. - Nine of them will have her for a 40 minute address. - Oh my God. - Three, three, nine. Three, nine, powders, no road. That's in New Jersey. - Okay, it's here, bear with me one moment. - Oh my God, I need an ambulance. I need an ambulance. Three, nine, powders, no road and chest are talented. Is that correct? - Chest are talented. Chest are talented. - Okay, is there a floor apartment of room numbers as a private home? - A private home. - Okay, you call him? - Yes, yes, yes, yes. - Okay, tell me exactly what happened. I know you said you went to the party. - I just found one, why am I? - I don't know what's going on here. CPR, I need CPR for his instructions. - Okay, she's not breathing her conscious. - Oh my God, there's a lot of breathing in there. Okay, so bear with me one moment. - No. - We're getting out there. Just stand in the line in this more information, okay? - No. - No. (screaming) - Please, I don't know if there's anything but, I need your, I need your immediate, immediate. - Yes sir, she is. - She is bleeding and she's not, she's not conscious. - No. - No. - Okay, okay. - Oh my God. - Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God. - Oh my God. - Oh, right sir. - Oh my God. (grunting) - All right, the parent I haven't sent just stay in the line. - Yeah, yeah. - What? - If there's a defabulate available since someone to get in now and tell me when you have it sir. - No, I don't have one, I don't have one. - Not available, okay. - I don't know what to do, I don't know what, what the fuck? What the fuck? - But sadly shortly after the first responders got there, Brooke was pronounced dead at the home. Now Brooke was just 35 years old and had just had her first child with Connor last July. The couple had actually met in college at Northeastern University in Boston where Brooke had later completed her master's degree in clinical psychology. They had spent about 10 years living in Massachusetts before ultimately moving back to New Jersey and that's where they started their family last summer. After about a week after her death, the Morris County Medical Examiner finalized Brooke's autopsy and determined that her cause of death was multiple sharp force injuries and her manner of death was ultimately ruled a homicide. But what was really shocking was about three weeks after Brooke's death, the Morris County Sheriff's Crime Stoppers offered this reward of $1,000 for any information that was leading up to their arrest, which at the time that felt a little odd because there wasn't any information, however ruled a homicide, but why this arguably small reward that's being offered? And then there was nothing that came about it when there were no tips, nothing leads, nothing that the police was moving forward with as a result of that reward being offered. And for weeks, people were expecting investigators to identify some sort of person of interest, release surveillance footage, announce an arrest, but really nothing happened. And there was no public updates. There wasn't even a warning to the public that there may be still a suspect at large and that people should be concerned. And at the same time, people were noticing that her husband Connor had kind of disappeared from public view, which is what actually fueled all of the speculation online. Not a great look, not a great look, Connor. I know, and I kind of thought about that 'cause I'm thinking everybody grieves differently and I could understand that when you're going through something like that, you don't wanna be in the public eye. So I can't see where that automatically means you're involved. But the police had remained super tight-lipped on the case, which is I think why people were so curious. Like, they're tight-lipped. He's disappearing, what's going on. And one of the couple's neighbors who had actually lived next door to the couple for about a year later spoke to the reporters and said that just a few days before Brooke was killed around June 2nd, Connor had actually texted him because a bear had gotten into their trash, which we're like, what? We can't relate to that problem. [BLANK_AUDIO] said we were actually just texting the other day he reached out because a bear had gotten into my trash and that was the last he had heard from him and after Brooks death that same neighbor had texted Connor again after seeing all the police activity just to kind of check in and say hey what's going on but Connor never responded which is kind of odd because it's like they obviously have this rapport he's texting him just to kind of share hey bear a bear got into my trash but then you see police activity you reach out and nothing and then just this week something happened that people think is very strange it was reported that Connor had hired an attorney and was communicating with the Morris County prosecutors office and it was also reported that several members of Conner's family had also been speaking to the prosecutors too okay and around the same time people also learned that Brooke and Conner's baby was being cared for by some of their other family members which I kind of have a thought about that the authorities haven't explained why he's disappeared why their baby is being cared for by another family member and there's been no updates but immediately everyone's questioning what's going on and this obviously seems very odd so my thought and actually I want to get your opinion because at this point nobody's been arrested nobody has been announced as a person of interest and no one has actually been directly accused of Brooks murder but that being said a lot of people are speculating that usually stabbing deaths are indicative of a crime of passion and usually done by somebody close to the victim so I think that is what's causing a lot of this angst amongst her close friends and family and the public but my thought and I'm curious to know yours is potentially that maybe I don't know I feel like maybe it is somebody else but that the husband knows who it could be because why would they give their baby to someone else to care for if they were in danger and then maybe the family is also kind of looped into what this dangerous situation might be so they're all kind of cooperating and saying like this is what we know we don't feel comfortable with our baby here because they might be at risk too and maybe he's not directly involved but I don't know that was just kind of a thought that popped in my mind I can see that also and normally I'm not playing devil's advocate for the husband normally I'm like oh the husband did it but I will say this God forbid if sage Jeremiah was murdered one day and I was so grief-stricken by it and like I pulled myself out of the public eye I didn't do interviews I was trying to cope I could see a world in which I said hey Amy you've got to take Theo and me I like I can't I can't show up for them the way that I want to right now and like I'm a disaster I put so I the baby being cared for by somebody else doesn't immediately throw up a red flag for me but what I do think is interesting and this could go either way 50/50 as I'm thinking through it as to could it be the husband is it you know a random intruder what happened is that on the 911 call he said that she had a laceration to her chest a single laceration but then the autopsy rule she had multiple sharp-force injuries so she was stabbed multiple times does that mean he was trying to lines as she only had one laceration or does that mean it was stabbed and he only saw one and he didn't know that she had multiple I don't know the reward thing I think is too interesting well they said that the theory was also part of the speculation was that such a small reward or even a reward in general was offered to kind of detour the person who the perpetrator to say like we don't know who it is so we're willing to offer a reward for somebody to come forward when really they have some your own but at this point there's been no information no rest made no public warning of a threat to the community so I think everyone is just like I said at the beginning questioning what's going on and naturally then there's a lot of speculation as to what's going on but to your point the husband is you know always a suspect in these things and then you also the stabbing doesn't help because if it is a crime the passion is that person someone she knew was it him was it somebody they both knew has there been any mention of like was anything missing from the home did it look burglarized did it look like any doors had been no nothing as far as the neighbor goes I mean there were no reports of any type of fighting or any type of issues in the marriage other than you know they had this one-year-old baby and had just started their family moved back to New Jersey and is the bear how we all say you know would you rather be what is it trapped in the woods with a man or a bear or whatever is the bear a person or was it really a bear going through the trash or was it someone casing a house I don't know I know it's not an actual bear like the bear the bear has claws and he means it lasts or is no like is that I've which I don't know yeah so what are people saying online they're just that obviously they're thinking the husband had something to do with it they think it's weird that he disappeared out of the public eye and that he's now cooperating with authorities and that his family's cooperating but again I think in any scenario to your point if something God forbid had happened to Jeremiah obviously your whole family is going to be cooperating and involved and I just think sometimes those things you know people want to create the narrative they want but statistically crimes of passion involved you know are similar so I could see where people are definitely skeptical well there is one theory out there from some Reddit users and people online so Brooke as we discussed is a psychotherapist and it's been known that sometimes previous patients who might feel a certain way about their treatment might attack their professionals so perhaps it could have been some sort of revenge attack on her work or something that could be connected to her job but there's really no facts that are supporting that as of now it's just a theory that's out there so that could potentially be kind of speaks to what I said earlier that maybe the husband was privy to some sort of a situation and that's why the baby is under the care of somebody else I don't know from possibly like a high conflict patient that she had yeah potentially I mean it sounds like that's really the only other lead at this point or you know solid theory that could potentially make sense at this point that's so sad hopefully her family gets answers soon yes so hopefully we'll have some answers and of course keep everyone updated on that yeah okay so there have been a lot of new developments in the Ohio House of Forest case and I did a deep dive on this when was it last Monday so if you guys haven't listened to that deep dive definitely circle back and listen but even mid last week I put on my Instagram stories like a question box thing because I wanted to get your guys' opinions of like what case are you following right now what do you want more information on so many of you said not only Ohio House of Forest but also Nolan Wells which Nolan Wells also a deep dive came out last week so go listen to that for short it's in this feed but there have been a lot of updates a lot of updates involving the cider family and you know it's a lot to talk about there's not a ton a ton of ton of info out there but we are getting drips and drabs and these new updates are pretty unsettling if I'm being honest with you we already know that Elizabeth Ciders was just 15 years old when she married Gary Junior they got married back in 2008 and then two months later she had her first baby what was also very disturbing and shocking about that is that her parents signed off for her to get married at such a young age where all this man was like arguably growing her right now one of the biggest updates with all of that came out recently and it's that public records have been released and these records show multiple teen marriages in the Ciders family not just Elizabeth this is like generational this is like a common thing for this family so the records that have come out show that in 2002 a 14 year old girl also pregnant by the way married 48 year old Richard E Ciders I know now Richard is a cousin of Gary Ciders Junior so a 14 year old girl who's pregnant marrying a 48 year old man can we just talk about that for a moment it is so foul and disgusting then just a year later another member of the extended family was also married at 15 years old and here's my thoughts this is obviously some sick and twisted shit going on in the Cider family right obviously you're like what's a Cider house rules but different Cider house obviously but it's like they are normalizing it they're grooming they are just I don't know how many babies are being born and all these other you know offshoot marriages but we know how many babies were born between Elizabeth and Gary I should say allegedly born because I know that there is still DNA testing happening to see if like some of the children had babies together and like what really happened there but these discoveries have brought up a lot of questions and it's kind of put Ohio's child marriage laws in the spotlight rightfully so and here's the part that really surprised me up until 2019 which in my brain I feel like anything close 2020 was like a year ago which I realized this is seven years ago now but like in 2019 up until then Ohio didn't have a minimum age for marriage which seems so crazy crazy. The law technically said that the boys had to be 18 and the girls had to be 16, but there was a loophole within that. If the parents signed off and a judge approved it, even younger kids could get legally married, especially if they were pregnant. Which I feel like that is the moment they should not get married because marriage is not the answer to solving teen pregnancy, at least not in my mom. And you know, it's like, you don't need to get married just to put a bandaid on whatever situation you find yourself in order. Like, if the parents think that that's what's going to make it right. And like, if you're religious and, you know, all the things that come with it, but before the state changed the law in 2019, get this. You're going to lose your mind right now. More than 2,500 minors were married in Ohio. And nearly all of them, about 96% of them were married to legal adults. It is so disgusting and twisted. State records. How many of those people were pregnant? Well, I agree. 100%. But get this. You're meant back to get even more pissed off. Amy, Amy, go, Bami. I don't know what I'm going to call you Amy, colette. State records also show that between 2000 and 2024, 15 children under the age of 15 were married in Ohio. Two of those girls were 10 years. I'm sorry. Like, so who is marrying these people? Like, the official marrying them and how do you even, you know, how do you, how do you as a person do that? Yeah. As a 48-year-old man who is about to marry a 10-year-old or a 12-year-old or a 14-year-old, like, first of all, who's signing off on it? What parents are getting? My 10-year-old is totally ready for marriage, which, look, I actually, I think you already left New York before I started my rewatch of Big Love. But I'm in the throes of rewatching Big Love right now, which is all about polygamy. And I just get, like, so hyper-wrapped up in these, like, cults and the polygamous and all that. And so I've already seen this, but I'm rewatching it. And so it's, like, in my mind, I'm like, okay, it's obviously not FLDS because that would be, like, more in Utah. Maybe, you know, maybe it is. It's not that it's, like, where there's, like, these religious beliefs, not that that excuses anything, but it's these creeps, creeps. Well, that was what, so as you're saying, there's multiple minors and they're all, like, within the family and the cousin, and immediately I'm thinking cult. And because it's now expanding and there's more coming out, I'm thinking, was there some sort of, like, doctrine within this family, whether it's, like, a bigger religious thing or not, but was it this belief system within a household? Because, and then my second question is, like, when this happens in other states, is that because there's loopholes to the laws, and then is that why it's more accepted in this family to your point? It becomes, like, the norm because you grew up in it, your cousin's getting married, your sister's getting married, everyone's getting pregnant young, is it this, like, culture that they've built within their home and family, and more than just this, like, disgusting, incestual situation that we see in these house of horror is where it's more abuse driven versus, like, this belief system. I don't know what it is, Amy, but I don't like it. Okay. And here's what I think. I think every parent who signed off on that paperwork to have their minor child married off should be held accountable, like, maybe part of the family who believes, like, in Scientology, where you just believe this is the right thing to do. Well, you should know better. If you're an adult, you should know better that your 10-year-old should not be married to an adult. Like, I don't care what you believe in. I don't care if you are seeing whoever you believe in face to face, and you truly think they're telling you that this is right, you should know better as a parent and as an adult that your 10-year-old child has no business getting. So it's like, I think these creeps need to be held accountable, first and foremost, but also going back to the SIDER family, specifically, this wasn't the first time when all of this now has been exposed that somebody tried to step in and help these kids. Court records show that back in 2021, school officials had filed complaints after six of the oldest SIDER's children allegedly missed the entire school year without a legitimate excuse. So there were, like, these truancy reports that I saw. One, their one or more child had missed, and it was like 72 hours of school, or maybe those some of these two days, sorry, don't quote me on that. Anyway, my point being, truancy officers had to get involved. Court officials ended up getting involved, but nothing ever came of those cases. When officials tried to serve paperwork at the address that was listed for the family, they just found a completely vacant home, which is like, obviously, they, we know that they moved into this house of horror situation. The room were to be four years ago, possibly, but which would align with kind of this timeline here, but they just are flying under the radar, and there seems to be like no due diligence or follow-up to figure out what happened, which I get it. The system is broken, and it's easier to look at it from the outside and be like, somebody needs to fix this. But if you're trying to follow up on one multiple children, missed an entire school year with no legitimate excuse, and then you go to the house and they aren't there, surely there should be some sort of checks and balance in place to find out where their address is, where they went, talk to people, because there would be like a huge alarm going off, saying like, danger, danger, danger, like something is going on here. And so, ultimately, though, the family couldn't be located, and by early 2022, the cases were just dismissed, which it blows my mind, because there could have been a big intervention prior to what recently happened in Ohio and the revelations that came from it. And I think that then that could have not only saved a lot of the children, but also potentially could have stopped future children from being born over the last few years. It would have provided the opportunity to intervene and help these children with speech, writing, because so many of them don't even know how to write their own name. They don't even know their own names. They don't have any written skills, language skills. So it's like, it's just such a miss and such a huge drop of the ball. And another thing that has come out is more information on the birth records themselves. Last week, we learned that all of Gary Jr. and Elizabeth's children were reportedly born in hospitals. So, there's confirmation there. However, we still don't know why investigators are looking at all of the children's DNA to make sure that all of the children do, in fact, biologically belong to Gary and Elizabeth. I mean, maybe it's to make sure that they belong to them and that there wasn't some incest happening. But also, if they were all born in hospitals, again, it's easy to complain about a broken system and not do anything about it. But what do you think that was someone who was delivering a child every single year that at some point in the hospital, you're concerned about their well-being and saying, like, what's going on? Like, are you okay or like social services to come in, not to take the children away, but to at least like check on the mother and like make sure that things are okay. And look, I can't imagine given the state that they were living in and the state of that house and the hygiene, the lack thereof, I should say, that she was rolling up into the hospital with a fresh blowout and looking clean and delivering these babies. Clearly, they would have been able to witness the condition of this woman and of Gary Jr. if he ever showed up to the hospital himself too. So, like, what can you do? I mean, you can voice your concern, but there is no evidence or reason for investigating. I mean, and if the age gap, there's a loophole and a loud, then even that itself could be a red flag. But well, she's an adult now, so there wouldn't be anything with the age gap. But like, just the fact that it seems like she was not only groomed at a young age, which I get it, maybe the hospital couldn't identify that, but the fact that it seems like she was just there for the purpose of breeding over and over and over again and then living in deplorable conditions and, you know, a mess and distraught. Like, clearly, you would witness you'd be able to see that and like, not to get too graphic or physical, but like when you're delivering a baby and you're up in the anatomy, you're going to realize that there's something going on, you know? And so, I don't know what's going on with them still checking the DNA, even though they have the birth records and what's happening there more to come, but there's also another legal update. A judge has now granted a gag order for Gary Ciders, Jr. and a gag order was also requested for his mom, Christina's case. So, this order is meant to protect his right to a fair trial as the case moves forward, because I mean, like we've seen so many cases before, the concern is that with all of this major media attention on the case, it's going to be a lot more difficult to find an impartial jury, which, amen, I understand that. But overall, this case, I mean, it just still has a lot of moving parts, a lot of questions. It does look like there's going to be a very long road ahead. I'm going to keep watching for updates. I'm just trying to figure out like, what is going on with it in this family? What the hell is going on in Ohio? And like, I don't even know. I don't even know. I'm like dumbfounded that this, that things like this can go under the radar for so long and get so bad before they're exposed. I think that's the interesting part is, you know, what is the answer to help with change? Because if the laws have these loopholes in terms of these age gaps, when there's that power dynamic like that, then in terms of getting somebody pregnant and all of that, I mean, it feels like that's, quote unquote, allowed, obviously. And so it's changing the laws. It's being more aware, it's following up on those cases, if you're to your point, the red flags of the kids not being in school, and those things, because that's where you can stop it ahead of time, I think, or at least have an opportunity to. Well, it's so sad. It makes me sick. So sad. Well, speaking of sad situations, this one is very, very devastating. It happened just a couple of weeks ago on the night of July 5th in Baldwin County, Alabama, when deputies were called to a home around 9 p.m. for a reported assault. And when they got there, they found 37-year-old Samantha Baker and her husband 46-year-old Lance Baker, both suffering from multiple stab wounds. And deputies immediately started life-saving measures until the paramedics arrived, but Samantha, unfortunately, died there at the scene. Lance did survive, but was airlifted to a hospital with critical injuries. And this case just gets even wilder. Investigators quickly realized that it wasn't just a random attack or a breaking gun wrong, and that the person who was responsible was actually still inside the home at the time. I know where it's just going, yep. So according to the deputies, after they attacked the suspect, went back inside the home, inside the door, and then called 911. And the police say that the person was the Baker's own 17-year-old son, Brandon, and he was taken into custody at the scene. According to investigators, Brandon allegedly attacked both of his parents in the middle of an argument between all three of them that was regarding them disciplining him. They say he had grabbed a knife, started stabbing them repeatedly, and while the violence had started inside the home, it didn't stay there. Because investigators say that Samantha and Lance both ran outside, and they were desperately trying to get away, and ended up going across the street and into multiple neighboring yards. I think it's much worse. Lance was eventually found in a neighbor's yard after reportedly running from house to house, trying to find someone that could help him. One neighbor later even looked back at her home security footage and listened to it, saying it was the hardest thing that she had ever experienced. She said she could hear Lance repeatedly yelling, "Please help me. I don't want to die." You probably hear the neighbor talking about that surveillance video here. That was probably the hardest part was pulling up my camera and, you know, listening to it and listening to the father yelling for help, "Please help me. I don't want to die," and it just carried on down, and I mean, it looks like he was trying to find an open door, and I didn't know where he was or where anybody was. She also said she could hear Samantha scream once as she came out of the house, and then she heard Lance pleading with his son, asking, "Why are you doing this?" They were saying, "I don't want to die. Please stop. No." And yelling, "Somebody help me. Please help me." Loud enough for the neighbors to hear. The neighbor also said that the footage also caught audio of Brandon telling his father that he was going to kill him, which is wild. So imagine, I mean, you can't imagine. I can't imagine from the parents' perspective, like realizing that their son, what they're trying to do, you're trying to get away, you're desperately pleading with him as you're running to your neighbor's yards, trying to get help. And him being so angry that he's saying, "I'm going to kill you," like, "That is open, 17 years old." I know. Oh my god, I have the chills. The bakers had met while they were serving in the US Army Reserve, and Samantha was currently working as a realtor while Lance served as a battalion commander, and he was still in the Army. And they also have a 16-year-old son who thankfully was not home at the time of that. But also, could you imagine coming home and realizing your older sister? The parents are gone. And hold this. Oh my god. I know. And just a few days later, another piece of the story came out that, and that's kind of what got a lot of people talking. Samantha had often posted on Facebook about the challenges of raising teenage boys. She was very, very open about it. And back in May, she shared a meme that read, "Only parents with gentle children can gentle parent. The rest of us have to square up and fight for our lives with the tiny bullies we made, adding in the caption, and I do square up, I don't have gentle kids. They are feral." Okay. I don't like that. I know. Like, I understand, I get it to a degree, like, you can't necessarily gentle parent, a rageful child in that situation, and who knows if they sought therapy or what they did, but also to say you don't gentle parent, you square up, that your kids are feral, and I'm not trying to victim shame here, implying that does that mean that I don't want to say that they were abusive, but that they locked him in his room ever, or spanking is something, not that they would do to a 17-year-old, but that is a big, you know, people think people don't agree on. To openly say I do square up, he's a bully and I don't gentle parent, I don't know that I love that. Well, wait, you'll hear where this is going, and yeah, I think there's a difference between like, when you're joking about Emmy and you're like, my, you know, feral girl is like a real struggle when you're dealing with disciplinary issues. In another post, she joked, raising a teenage boy, zero out of ten, do not recommend in all caps. So clearly, she was struggling, she was having challenges with her boys, or at least one of them. And after the attack, that same neighbor that had that surveillance camera at her home had captured audio from an argument previously between Samantha and Brandon, around 230 that same afternoon, that was about social media posts. According to the neighbor, it sounded like Brandon was asking about one of Samantha's face with posts, and Samantha kept telling him it was just a story, and that it wasn't about him. Okay. The neighbor said, say, when you said the zero out of ten recommend, my thought was going to be, obviously, these are public posts, and your son's going to see them. How is he going to feel about that and react to that and like, look, not that I'm saying I ever have thoughts of killing our parents, obviously not, but like, I was a defiant teenager. And I would, and it comes from a place of insecurity or trying to fit in or not knowing where you sit in the world. So then, to be met with your parents, openly saying how you're a bully, how you're feral, how you, they wish they never had you or they don't want to raise you, it's like, that's only going to fuel that anger and make you feel even more displaced, which doesn't just try murder or don't get me wrong, but like, this was a terrible idea. Yes. To your point, exactly. It's like, your parents, you think of them as like that unconditional love, that safe space. They're how bad I am, like they'll always love me, so if someone's publicly declaring that they don't recommend the situation they're in, which is a mother of teenage boys, I could see where that would hit really hard. And they're like, he's probably thinking, you hate me anyway, you don't want anything to do with me. Like, I hate you guys because you don't love me. I'm not, again, not justifying it, but like, front, frontal lobe isn't fully developed. Clearly, there's history here. I don't know. Oh gosh. Well, the neighbor had said that she believed also that Samantha's frequent posts about Brandon were starting to hurt him, saying she does talk kind of rude about the kids, and you know, they are teenagers, so kind of sharing our same sentiment. Now, investigators have been clear that they do not believe that the Facebook post argument from earlier that day in the afternoon is what led to that attack that night. According to the police, that conversation was completely separate from what happened later that night. But Brandon was charged with one count of murder in Samantha's death and one count of attempted murder for the attack on Lance. And during his first court appearance on July 6, his bond was set at $1 million. Thankfully, Lance has been released from the hospital and is now- Oh, he survived. Yes, he survived and is continuing to recover from his injuries. But could you imagine surviving that? So now you're fully aware of what your son tried to do. He's lost your wife. And I mean, you have a 16 year old son that you've now got to care for and try to make sense of this whole thing, which is, I can't even imagine that. And who knows if this goes deeper to, like, not, again, not an excuse, but like, does he suffer from ODD or have some sort of like defiant disorder personality trait? Like, is there something more or is this just a little entitled prick teenage boy who's frontal lobe isn't developed any angry at the world and thinks that he can do things like this? I mean, his dad will have so many answers with all of this. Yeah. So two weeks after Samantha was killed, the community had gathered around for a candlelight vigil in her honor. Lance did attend the vigil and even spoke to everyone that came out that night, which I can't even imagine what type of strength that would take to do that. And just to stand in front of a crowd and have to like face them because I'm sure there's a lot of shame there too and just people have questions and comments and things like that. But it's nice that everybody came out to say that. to support their family and have this vigil. And I'm sure it was hopefully a little comforting to know that he had support from the community 'cause I'm sure this whole thing has just been incredibly devastating and unimaginable. I can't even, it's too much to even think about. - And like I'm thinking about the younger brother and like how do you even reconcile all of that? All of that. - What are your behavior problems with him too? And that was part of the post. - So like now are they having to figure that out? - It gives me a pit in my stomach, it really does. - But also, yeah, I just, I feel badly. I can't, I can't, those posts too. It's sad all the way around. It's just, it's tragic. Every way you look at it for the parents, for the son, for everybody involved, it's just the worst situation. - And it's hard too 'cause I was thinking with the whole public, the Facebook post. Yeah, maybe it was in court taste that she posted that and I could certainly see where her sons would receive that and be hurt by that. But also, if you are struggling with a situation like that and you're not sure how to discipline, and oftentimes social media is where you seek community and answers, obviously there's a way in which to do that. But it's like, if you are struggling with a disciplinary issue with a child like, what do you do? - Yeah, I don't know. I mean, that's what we'll be interesting too with whatever his dad says. Like, did they ever go to therapy? Did they try to get him into some sort of treatment? Was it just like typical teenage boy step and the mom was ranting and raving and pissed off about it? Like, yeah, I wonder how deep it all goes. And I wonder if there is any forgiveness or not even forgiveness, but still love there between the dad and his son because going from saying, please stop this, I don't want to die to then surviving it and facing your son clearly as a parent, you still love your child probably under any circumstance, but you also, they took away your wife, the mother of your other son, they tried to take your life. Like, that has to be such a complex situation to begin. I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy. - No, both. - Okay, well, we think, what else is going on? So like I said, the David Prelim hearing is happening this week. I have senior requests guys for covering the Lindsey Clancy trial. In that case, I did first cover it back in 2023. I am going to do an updated deep dive on it. It will be out next week for those of you who don't know. The trials underway. I think they just started jury selection at the time of this reporting. She is the mom who is being charged with the murder of her three children, killing them with exercise bands, a long history, not long history, but like a good chunk of history of postpartum psychosis for trying to seek treatment, trying to get help. It's a very, that too is a very complex case. I personally have steered away from it since 2023 for personal reasons in my own life, which I don't want to get into, but I will be revisiting that. So that'll be out next week. And then there also was a major development in the Nolan Wells case this week. We were waiting on that independent autopsy and finally the independent pathologists who conducted that second autopsy said that Nolan's cause and manner of death should remain undetermined, pending further investigation. Now, while the exam found no fractures or deep tissue injuries, it did identify a large area of unexplained red discoloration in the soft tissue area at the back of Nolan's head. This is what the pathologist says is significant enough to warrant further investigation, though it's also inconclusive because the level of decomposition that's involved. The report also notes several key limitations, including the absence of Nolan's throat, more specifically the anterior neck structures. Those had been retained during the initial autopsy, meaning that the pathologist could not rule out a neck injury as a contributing factor. So ultimately, the report says that there are still just too many unanswered questions, including how Nolan entered the water, whether there was water in the airway, what toxicology will show, and whether or not there were any injuries to the front of his neck, too much to determine exactly how he died. So continuing the investigation, and hopefully there will be more that is known soon. But curious because as far as we know, the throat had been removed during that other autopsy, I know some of his organs, so they weren't able to see if there was water in the lungs. So still a lot of investigation happening. And in the meantime, any case requests or anything that you have your eye on that you want us to dig into a little bit deeper, send those a request to us, either through the website, antilease.com, or you can DM me directly at underscore antilease on Instagram. We also have the true crime with antilean Instagram. So, blood are in box. Let us know what you want. I'll tell you what I want, what I really, really want to. Come on, we haven't done a song in a while. I know. All right, guys, other than that, please have a good rest of your week, a nice weekend, and until the next one, be nice, don't help people, love your parents, and do not marry off your minor children. Get to peach. All right, bye. Bye.