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What about you? Had a great weekend, man. Were you that Hampton's? Zauties. That's Hampton. And then we went to the World Cup final, man. Ooh. Like me and I went to the World Cup final. Ooh. That was pretty awesome. Would you add a sweet? We were, yeah, we were invited into one of the boxes. Okay, okay. Anybody in the box didn't pay for it. I believe that. I mean somebody paid for it, but someone paid for it. The company paid for it, but yeah, yeah, yeah. But yeah, it was just an amazing, it was an amazing event. I'm not gonna lie. How much longer do you think we gonna pretend we care about soccer like that in America? Every time it has to do with our national pride. Ooh. So, Mary, if you love your country, you love anything your country's competing at. But we weren't in it. We were for a little bit. I thought it was Spain and Argentina. No, we were in the World Cup for a little bit. But it seemed like everybody was pretending to care even before that. Like it was pretending to care about all these different teams. Then you get caught up in it, man. It's also the best time of year for us, 'cause there's no sports we care about happening right now. It's just baseball. It's WNBA. Oh, yeah. Sky, man. You're right. It's right. No, you're right. WNBA, man. What's going on about that one? You're right. Greatest sport in the world right now. I agree. WNB fucking eight. I agree. But yeah, people, I'm not mad at people who are pretending to care about soccer. It's just interesting how it feels like this year with Soccer's breakout year in America. Well, yeah, because the World Cup is happening here. You see the impact. You see how much other people care about it. You get phoned over and I can't. I didn't even know it didn't happen every year. What the fuck does it happen? I have no idea. I just started, I had no idea. It's the first time. It's like the World Cup. You thought the World Cup happens every year? It's chilling. It's every four years. Oh, shit. I didn't know that. Like the Olympic host nation. Yeah. And all right, I did not know. So you mean to tell me that they've played in sport all the time and only compete four years with the championship? Well, there's different championships you can get. European one. There's a Copa America one. I'm sure there's an African one. There's an Asian one. But when they all come together, it's one side of every four years. Tell me, should I? No, I didn't know. This is the biggest spectacle in sport. So how long? The FIFA shit. It's the Super Bowl for the world. After four years? One side of every four years. Wow. That's incredible. That's, that's, that's different. That's different. What's the reason for that? Why they make it one side of every four years? I mean, there's, there's, there's never a time. I'm, when I'm out of the country that soccer is not on. They, well, they don't matter if it's the, especially when I'm like in Africa, like the soccer is always-- Maybe that's how you keep it special. Because think about it like, in order to win a World Cup, you can't just run it back the next year. It's like the guys that helps you win that, that one World Cup four years later might be old or washed. Yeah, that's not fair. How do you, how do you get a dynasty? How do you get a dominant one? I know franchise. I mean, there's no real dynasties. I thought that one team was the big franchise, um-- Who France? No, maybe this is another league, Manchester. No, that's different. That's Premier League. I don't know what the fuck. Yeah, that's just like the English, like soccer and-- Soccer's league. Gotcha. Oh, who the fuck knew? Well, carry on. I know the world cares about soccer. They love it. It's just funny to watch Americans this year be like, yeah, soccer. Yeah. Put balls. Yeah. But we get caught up in it. I'm trying to think, why did we get so caught up in it? Even the kids, like, I mean, I've noticed this before. The kids would be wearing soccer jerseys. Yeah. Yeah. I don't give a fuck. And they had like the first halftime show ever? In a soccer. Yeah. I mean, it is pretty cool that the greatest world cup that's ever happened happened here. Is the greatest one? Yeah. I don't know. I don't have no idea. Obviously. What made it the greatest one? I don't know. I'm asking. Just the fact-- I mean, we're just the best at it. Who? America. As a host nation. I don't know. That's what they do, nothing but fucking cause a lot of traffic if you ask me. And we always got traffic. I hated it, especially in New York and New Jersey. Oh, yeah. 'Cause I got to deal with that. I got to deal with the congestion in New York City. Then last week, and dealing with that shit. Stop living in a different state where you work. No, man, for what? Get more bang for your buck out there. See, well, now you got banged up. You'll be out there soon. Oh, thanks. You in too much movies, man. You too-- You're getting the other side. You're getting too much movies. Not to be in Jersey soon, bro. Yeah, I was afraid you don't want to move. Don't worry, don't worry. I love the city. They got two kids now. It's going-- it's going to happen. I love the city. You're going to want you a big ass. How about this? Sit in on a couple of eight days? I'm not going to lie. When I'm out east, it's really nice. What I'm saying, lions get right there and fucking new work. But once it's fucking dark at 4 p.m. Like, I don't want to live in the suburbs. Yes, you will. Why? Well, tell them what you was doing before you walked in. Sleeping? Taking a fucking nap. Taking a nap in Jersey when-- you know he had nothing but your woods, OK? No, it's going-- no, I'm not saying there's not beautiful places there for sure. But I love the city. And you didn't grow up in the city, so you don't know the feelings we have leaving. No. Leaving the city is like a cardinal sin. Well, as a bap. It's like you gave it up. Where you have it. It's in and lately going to the haps. No, that doesn't count. It's summer. I don't know. You allow it to leave for the summer. We got rules in New York. I thought they liked New York. But you-- the summer's the place-- some of the time is the shit for New York. I like New York in the summer. OK. But this common sentiment about New York in the summer is it's unbearably hot. I personally think it's the most electric time of year. Well, every place in America is unbear-- every place in the world is unbearably hot. When it's hot. Nowadays, like, you know, so don't fucking matter. Oh, because you're on the global warming shit, you all-- You can feel it. You see it, it's everywhere. You really believe in it? Yes. I was in Vegas this weekend. I was just going to leave the fucking hotel for a day. Wait, are you telling me that the desert was hot? No, no, no. It's hot. It's a different level of heat. The fuck is hot. No, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no. No, no, no. 112 is crazy. That's regular. No. Oh, that's not-- It's a different level of heat. - Regular. - That was regular. - No, it's not. - Yeah, Vegas witness. - It's 108, bro. - Boy, I know it will feel like it, you know what I mean. - You guys see, man. - But that ain't the fucking hotel. It makes no sense to leave the hotel. - You hold a Vegas to be outside, like the second I get to Vegas, I enter a hotel, I don't think I smell fresh air until I go to the airport. - I'm with you. - Like, has you ever spent outside time in Vegas? - Yeah. - And now they connect them and shit like that, where you never have to go and see to something like, man, I left the hotel, well, I went to go see young GZ in marriage, see this is retarded, man. 120 degrees, the highest temperature, ever officially recorded in Vegas, July 7th, 2024. What the fuck are y'all talking about? 120? - That's insane. But I left the hotel, what the fuck are you talking about? I left the hotel one time. - What y'all want us to do about that? - But they want us to do about it. - And it's over, none we can't do. - Let me take out this straw. - Did you give it to me? - Start in the fucking ocean, give it to the turtle. - Let me get it, give it to the fucking turtle. - I got this stuff, so a turtle will swallow it. - I went to go see a young GZ this Friday, and I went to go see Mary J. Blige, sadly. I told you I'm chasing natural dopamine hits, all fucking something. - I was it. - So, oh my god. But I put it, I'm still on a high from GZ, right? Literally, I'm still on a dopamine high from watching those three shows. To the point that I just don't-- - It's the greatest summer in New York. - Yes. - Yeah, look at it. - In New York, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - Nick's championship, Nick's playoff. - Yeah, I can't think of one better. - GZ Yankee Stadium, World Cup Final. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and if you were blessed enough to go to all of those events, yeah. - And we're not even done yet. They got the US open the end of the summer. Imagine some crazy shit happening there. - Liberty is still playing. - Liberty playing? - New York Liberty is still playing. Don't flip, don't fucking round. Don't fuck around, don't fuck around. - You don't even know what that Liberty play at. - The Barclays Center. - Yeah. - I've been to a game or two. - Don't insult them. (beep) - Oh, what the god. - No, that's how we can't say that. - I can't say that. - Now, but don't insult-- - This guy called them Queens and say, "We can't say that." - Yeah, he can't, I can't call him. - If you would've called him a slur or something, he'd have a role with him. - He'd say, he'd say, "He sold those Queens." - Be up at the bottom. - And he wants to bleep it and fucking act like it was a slur. That's crazy. - This guy is a slur, and my honest feeling is this is like, "I don't want them to assume that they would marry a king." 'Cause they might not do that. Like, they married another Queen. - Yeah, but Queens can't marry. Like, if you're really going off of like a narco system, you know? - I thought they rubbed their crowns together. - No! - No! - Oh, don't do that. It's not what you're doing. - That's an old thing with WNBA, that's it. - Yo, they won't even let her monetize that. They won't even let Sophie cutting in monetize her point. The WNBA union was like, nah, you can't monetize anything that starts in conflict. - It starts in conflict. - Yeah, yeah. So being that it started 'cause of a conflict, being that moment came from a conflict, they won't let her monetize. Which is crazy to me. I mean, there was a lot of people selling Chris Child's Punching Kobe's situation. - WNBA, NBA, different rules. - Yeah, but the NBA didn't sell. - Yeah, the NBA didn't sell it, that's true. - So the league is putting a kai-bash on it. - It didn't let, and it's not like Chris Child's monetize it. I don't think he didn't make no T-shirts and no shit like that. - Nah. - He didn't make no T-shirt. Well, man, I went to that concert. When I'd tell you to GZ and Marijay Bloc's concert was made GZ, especially to me. - Yeah. - 'Cause 20 plus years ago, we were in the club. I'm in Columbia, South Carolina, working at Hot 1039. We in the club with big T-shirts and baggy shorts. You know what I mean? I remember when GZ first came to this club called the main event. This dude named Fats had bought GZ for a birthday party. It was a GZ and big country gang. And that club holds like 3000 plus people. But that night, GZ was new. He didn't have time to die out shit. So it was only like a couple hundred people in the club. If that, right? But I remember six months later, maybe six months, I don't have camera time back then. When Trappard die came out, that same fucking club had 3000 people on the inside and another thousand trying to get in. - Holy shit. - You know what I'm saying? - One song came out and just that whole thing. - The whole album, the mixtape. The Trappard die mixtape. So to see that, and for GZ to be one of my top seven favorite rappers ever to be in Vegas 20 plus years later, with it's a black tie experience. So everybody got on the tuxes and shit like that. And the girls got on the dresses. He's got an orchestra doing shit like Trappard die. Oh my, fuck. - Amazing. - Oh my god. I had to like, catch myself. I started to cry a little. - You were getting emotional. - Emotional. - You're getting emotional as you're talking about it now. - No. - Yeah, I so wanted it up. 'Cause it was like, yo, the thing where you were. - Yeah. - And then to see where you are now in life 20 years later. - Yeah. And I'm listening to this music that I grew up on. And then when he did that one song, I used to have nothing. Now I got a whole lot of everything and I come through stunting. And now the whole world going on my name. Oh my god, man. I was too tequila's into it. And don't take much from me nowadays. - And you were just getting emotional. - Oh my god. You know what I'm saying? It was good that it was hot in there. 'Cause I was sweating, so I had my rags. So I could wipe the whole face and keep the tears from falling. Oh, it was just amazing. It was just incredible, man. - And it's him by himself and Mary J. Blige in a separate-- - The GZs that planted Hollywood, I believe, and Mary does the MGM. So I went to CGZ on Friday night and they were gonna see Mary at the MGM on Saturday. Totally different experience, but just the same type of dopamine hit. 'Cause this is music that we grew up on. And it's just like, I'm in the age demo now that is the highest spending demo in America. And that is who, that's who was at Yankee Stadium, right? That 45-and-up crowd. And that's who was in Vegas, that 45-and-up crowd. Like that is, I think the highest spending demo is 45 to 54, or 45 to 64, I can't remember. But those are the people who are, you know, they're working class folks. They have some disposable income. They can buy concert tickets. They can, you know, travel to Vegas if they want to to watch shows. And that shit was just a beautiful time, man. - That's awesome. - Yeah, don't be afraid to get old, y'all. Don't be fucking afraid. Keep trying to cater to them kids if you want to. - I can, like, fucking kids, just see what happens. - Yes, right? - No, I agree with you on that one. - And then in the middle of that beautiful weekend, 'cause my, our guy was out there, Ed Sheeran, Ed Sheeran, he played a Legion Stadium in this weekend. - Oh, wow. - Yeah, he played a Legion Stadium Saturday. - So you did that as well? - Well, no, I didn't go to a Legion Stadium. Me and Ed was talking, and Ed was like, yo, I'm written a theater to watch the Odyssey. And I'm like, oh shit, this is the perfect weekend. 'Cause I want to go see the fuck. I want to go see the fucking the Odyssey. I'm not doing shit, we're sitting in this hotel till the show tonight, right? Yeah, Ed is a man of a certain age, and he had a show at six o'clock. So we went to go see the Odyssey at two on the die. Perfect time. Was out there by, and they, you know, they start the minute. No trailers, no nothing. So they start the movie to a clock, two hours, 52 minutes. We was out before five, all right? But, and it was, it made me think, it's like, yeah, a guy of that stature has to run a theater, just to enjoy a movie. - Well, you're saying otherwise people would notice him. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. And the fact that he's probably playing there that night, you know, you know what I mean? He doesn't have to. - He doesn't have to. - But it makes things more convenient. - It's smarter for him to, you know what I mean? 'Cause you know the whole Michael Jackson law. Remember when we talked about the Michael Jackson law? That if a certain, if you're, what, what, you laughing at there? We talked about the Michael Jackson law here on the podcast. When you're a celebrity of a certain stature, if you go out in public and you cause a scene and there's a riot, you can be fine for that. - Is that right? - You knew this, man, we had a whole conversation. - I remember the conversation, but I don't know if you're pranking me or not. - So I'm a little bit. - What? - Has it until, like, lean into it? Did you see the Odyssey? - Yeah. - Did you love the Odyssey? - Unbelievable. - Talk about it. - Did you not like it? - I'll tell you this, when the Odyssey was over, I stood up and I was just like, that was just great. - I mean, there's nothing else that, that was just a great fucking movie. - Yeah, it was just a great film. That is what cinema, why do I feel like there's a butt here? - There's no butt. That is what cinema is supposed to be. - It feels like there's a butt, there's no butt. What butt is it? My only butt has nothing to do with the movie. - Which is? - It's watching the reactions to people on social media that I clearly have not seen in the movie, 'cause they're calling it a woke film. It's nothing, it's nothing remotely. By the way, if you're calling it a woke film, your racism and bigotry is really showing because it has no wokeness in it whatsoever. - I don't know if it's racism and bigotry is really showing, but, like, it is the problem with, with, like, the performative wokeness and that becoming something that you're framed as. - But they're only calling it woke, 'cause it's a trend in some black people. - Well, we're gonna get to that. - Now you know the part that we're trying. - We're gonna get to that. - Great job. We haven't did the surgery, really. - Yeah. But, like, I think what's happening is, like, right now, people are like, Disney is doing all this forced diversity and forced wokeness, right? So now we've been framed to look at things in that way. When we were growing up, I don't even know if Disney made white cartoons. All I saw growing up was Aladdin, Mulan, a fuck, like, I'm trying to, of the Lion King. But I never was like, look at them trying to be woke, making a brown cartoon or an Asian cartoon. - What shows if there's a movie with a cyclops and then a six-headed mountain that eats people? - You're right. - Shit, the fuck up. - Well, I'm gonna get, actually, we're gonna even go back to the wokenest thing in a second. Well, how wrong they are about it and how deliberate decisions were made, which is like, you're actually like, you're showing a disrespect to how thoughtful Nolan is with filmmaking to think he would just throw something in willy-nilly, right? So we'll get to a second. But I think what's happened is, because there have been like these performative wokes, where we're like, let's just make the girl version of this guy movie. Like, okay, let's make girl ghost busters. There has been this effort, which is like kind of low-hanging fruit, to just be like, oh, let's just flip it. We have this IP that works, let's just flip it. I think people's brains have gotten a little warped that they think everything that happens to be that is this performance. Is woke performance when it's not. - Nothing about that movie is woke. - Okay, so the opening, people like-- - It's a trend though. - You want a trend or something? - We'll get to it. - Yeah, so we'll get to that. - That's what it is. - So the opening, right? Travis Scott opens it. - I did not know that I was Travis. And I kept thinking of that fucking Travis Scott. - So Travis Scott opens it, right? - And he's basically, he's like-- - He's called him a bar. He's a bar. - He's a bar, yeah, that's the term, right? - So, a lot of people might not know is that the, homers de Odyssey and the Iliad were not written down. This is oral tradition. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - So poets at the time would share this oral tradition. They would go into these, you know, alleys, or there'd be a place where they would talk, there'd be like a bar hall, and they would tell these great stories and people would sit around and they would listen to these great stories. - Okay, so that should have been Andre Dutton, not Travis. - Well, what is Travis? - A reed. - He is a modern day poet. - Yeah, okay. - So, now, are there people who are more known for their storytelling and bars? - Sure, yeah, this is Chris Nolan. He's a British guy. It's probably his kids favorite rapper is fucking Travis. So he's like, "Oh, okay, that's what." - And he worked on the soundtrack. - So, like, the idea to me is like, in his, I imagine his eyes is going, poets back in the day would tell these stories, and let's take a modern day poet to start the telling of the story. And if you notice throughout the movie, it's all told through story. - Absolutely. - So, like, Matt Damon is remembering his past with Calipso. So he's telling the story, and then you see it acted out. - Well, even a ill line, I'll find it good. - Anyway, so that's like the first woke thing that I think doesn't make sense. He's not like, "Oh, how do I get a black guy in here?" He's like, "Okay, let's have a rapper do it because these are the modern day poets, and let's maintain that." Right, so that's number two. That's number one. The Lupita Niongo being Helen of Troy. - What was the other issue? - What was she was? - Yeah. - I knew what the fuck she was. - Do you know who Helen of Trojan is? - Yes, I do. But I didn't need that because they was telling the story. - Right. So being at there telling the story, I didn't need to, I didn't even think about it. - Like the Trojan War was fought over, who was it? Paris stealing Helen from whatever, - She had a 22 in the movie. - Which is like that is, I have a problem with that. - And that's, that's not cassettes. - Because Helen of Trojan had a twin sister, did she? - Yeah and also how can you be the most beautiful girl in the world if you have an identical twin? - Ooh. - There's only one most beautiful. - I mean, one might keep it airy. - Which would make you more beautiful. - Back then, yeah. - 'Cause we appreciate, we appreciate it. - And we appreciate their bodies. You see, a hairy one, you gotta be like, (laughing) you gotta hit it with the sofa. But yeah, so okay, so you're Helen of Trojan. - Everybody's like, why are they choosing a black check? This is Greece or whatever, okay? - None of that shouldn't matter. - Well, I promise you, I didn't think race not one time. - Of course, if you go see the movie, but also. - I did not know that was a trend. I didn't know it until, when I saw everybody complaining about Wolveness, I'm like, what the fuck was Wolveness? - Let's get to the trends, let's get to the trends. - What's our name for us? - Elliott Page. - Elliott Page. - Yeah. - Formerly Ellen Page. And you know who the actress is. - She was in Juneau, she was in the inception. - Oh shit. - Yeah. - Yes, Juneau. - Yeah, she's fucking-- - Oh shit, I love Juneau, I didn't know that. - So she worked with-- - See, that's why you can't transition, man, 'cause you don't get credit for your past work. (laughing) No, holy shit, that's fucking Juneau. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - I would have loved to turn to my wife and be like, you know, maybe she knew. - You didn't watch Inception? She's the girl in the inception. - I remember Inception. - Remember, there's the little girl who builds the world. - Leo gets her to build the world. - Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - These are amazing actors. - Can't get credit for that even. - Actor, whatever. - You knew the credit for all of his great work now. 'Cause people don't remember that was you. - You don't remember. - The rest of us are like-- - The rest was, remember, physically. (laughing) You're the only one. The rest of us remember, vividly-- - We just tried to get the fucking gender right. - She did a great job in the movie. I don't care about none of that shit. - She was a great, what is it? - Actor in the movie. She was a great, she was a, she was a, she was as good. I did not even, she was good. I didn't even realize that was a trend until after the fact. - I don't think that, I don't think it's a trend's in the movie. That's my point, they're just mad that a transgender is in this role playing a role of a man. That's what people are mad about. That's what I saw. - No. - They're just mad that there's a trend's in anything. - Like they don't-- - They got performers. - They don't get mad when they're mad. - That's the only one that I've said about. - Not, they mad that there's a trend's in anything. And it's like, I think that people would be more mad if they made the scene about being a trans person. - That would be ridiculous in that era. - That would be performative, right? Like that would be weird. But they don't. And I just think that like, whatever, you know that character. He plays the character. Do you know the character he's playing? What are you looking up? - I'm trying to find his life with this ill line, man. - Well, I'll tell you the line. Just tell us something about singing. It was towards the end. - And what part of the movie was in? - It was towards the end after he had con-- After he got back home and they went back out. And they were trying to explain about, it was like something about the singing of songs. Chase the sunset. We'll chase the sunset west. - No, it was literally about songs. 'Cause it kind of just wrapped up the whole film about the storytelling of the film. - Yeah. - What character, I didn't see it. What character did Elliot Page play? - So in the beginning of the movie, do you remember when they were signing up to be in the army and they did a lottery? - Yeah. - And then Robert Pattinson's character. And then there's like a little boy character and they like switch the sticks. - Yeah. - And the little boy ends up going. - Yeah. - Instead of Robert Pattinson. - Yeah. - So weren't they brothers? They were brothers, right? - No, that kid was the shepherd's family. So what basically is Robert Pattinson's rich family pays the shepherd's, is shepherd's family. - It goes by Robert. - Exactly. So I think what they're-- - Robert's a draft entrepreneur. - Exactly. And what they're using Elliot Page's character as is like, here's this weak defenseless person that should never been a war in the first place. - Oh. - She's this vulnerable person that's not built for war. If you send, if the character's not played by someone that has Elliot Statcher, you see some gigantic fucking Greek monster. You don't feel as bad when they get arrowed and shot up. But when you see this little twink, getting shot up, you're like, fuck, they should have never been there. First place, some rich family just did this bait and switch. - Yeah. - Now they're suffering this fate. And they were essentially lied to by Odysseus or misled by Odysseus. 'Cause remember Odysseus doesn't say that he's in the horse. - No. - Elliot thinks it's an actual-- - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - 'Cause he needed-- - That was it. - He needed them to believe. - Yeah, yeah. - Yeah. - I mean, there's so many amazing things about that. - No, I gotta watch it again. I mean, what I loved about it is that it showed two things. Number one, you just can't escape God, right? Like at some point, you just gotta let go and let God. - Yeah. - But also, and I saw Ryan Holliday talking about this and I thought this was such a brilliant point. Odysseus is not somebody that should ever be looked at as a hero. And the reason he should never be looked at as a hero is because even after going through everything he went through, letting God finally getting back home, he still couldn't keep still. - Yep. - And he made it in the movie where he was going out to honor the dead. But really, no, he went out and still did more pillaging. - So, yeah, so Ryan's talking about the Odysseus from the book. - Yeah. - And like Christopher Nolan, basically interprets Odysseus in a different way and you get like a much more likable, warm Odysseus. - I never fell in love with the character. I liked him. - There. - I liked him. Because I felt like even after he made it, I want to get a movie way, but even after he made the turn and the movie way, it's fucking 3,000 years old. - Yeah, you're right. - Yeah. - But even after he fucking, you know, he made the turn and he scrummed the arrow together and he, you know, did all that shit, I still felt like, you're still a bad guy. You still made decisions that you knew were going to get other people killed. You still pillaged, you know, different islands and different places like that. I don't think you're redeemed. - Well, did he pillage any of those places? - Yes. - Maybe one, yeah. - Yeah. - When they show us him doing that one, I'm just doing that what he does everywhere. - The shit he did with the Cyclops was fucked up, though. - Well, that's the idea. - I hated that shit. - The Cyclops is a weird scene, right? Because like, in the book, Odysseus is a piece of shit in the book. Like. - He's a piece of shit in the movie. - No, but like, he's a piece of shit who did horrible things that's trying to grapple with it on some like PTSD shit in the movie, right? And he's trying to grapple with the reality that he created. And then once he realizes and accepts the reality, he created, he can finally move forward. And he can be forgiven for his sins. - Maybe that's what we didn't see in the movie. I didn't see him asking for forgiveness. - Well, I think you just kind of assume he's redeemed because you know, he goes in as a baby. - The forgiveness is the punishment. So there's that scene before he leaves Calipso where he finally realizes he's ready. He's ready and that he was avoiding home because he knows what he created. He created the downfall civilization, right? That is a completely different interpretation from the book. - That was ill though. - So like in the movie, it's, hey, I got this cool way to get into Troy and then we could take down the Trojans and then we could win the war, right? And then upon doing it, he realized he breaks Zeus's code called Zenia, right? Which is this idea that like, you should always give like food and shelter to any stranger and they should always respect you when they come into your home. So he takes advantage of it. He breaks Zeus's code. It's like breaking the Constitution. And once one person is an obeying the Constitution, the rest of society doesn't obey it and all of society falls apart, right? - Yeah. - And he realizes that basically they stop believing in God. - Exactly. - Well, exactly. - Yeah. - Yeah, 'cause if you don't fear God, like God is what's holding it all together. - That's right. - Whatever you want to call the code of Zeus is whatever. So what happens is he internally understands that he's broken that code. And then every place he goes, the code is broken. He goes to the Cyclops and instead of the Cyclops offering him sheep and milk, he if they attack him and he kills the homies, right? He doesn't welcome you in. This is what you're supposed to do. - He goes to the Cersei chick. - Well, but think about the Cyclops thing though. They were violating. They weren't supposed to be there. They go into this-- - You're always supposed to welcome a stranger. That's Zeus's code. - If a stranger walks into your home, you must welcome them and you must treat them as if they are a God 'cause they might be one. - So he thought that the Cyclops was violating code? - No, the Cyclops violated Zeus's code by not welcoming them in. - But 'cause they broke in, they weren't supposed to be in it. You're a like, "Boken, you start eating my cheese." You know what I mean? You're, I'm Cyclops. I walk into my place and y'all are just in here. - Yeah. - I mean, look, so the difference between the book is that Zeus was not remorseful in the book. Odysseus was like, "I'm a genius." And he was so proud of himself in like, whatever. He's so proud of himself of what he did. He had this hubris that made him think that he could defy the gods. And what he does is in the book it's a little different. There's a moment with the Cyclops where the Cyclops asks him, "Who did this to me?" And he says, "Nobody." Like his name is nobody. And then when the other Cyclops come, they go, "Who did this to you?" And that's Cyborg. I said, "Nobody did this to me." And it's his way of tricking the Cyclops's into not looking for on the movie. He said his name. But right before he leaves, he's on the boat, he screams the Cyclops, "Tell them Odysseus did the conqueror of lands." They eat. He's like, "Nobody could stop me." The Cyclops tells his dad who's Poseidon. Yo, Odysseus, fuck with me. You got to get back at his ass. And that's when Poseidon sends him around on this fucking insane journey. But so the difference with the characters, Matt Damon feels horrible about this. He's avoiding going home. He actually doesn't want to go home because he knows what he destroyed. Well, no, everything got warned. What was the guy who got killed and he met in Hades? It was another, it was another, like a Memnon? Is the guy who was, no, no, I'm not getting it. I can, no, I know that's his name. That's good, I see this shit. But I don't know if you, like, pronounce it. Well, yes, remember the guy in Hades? Yeah. Because he was shocked to see him there. And he was like, "What are you here for?" And then he told him because basically going home, that's what you bet. So he was like, you know, when I went home, he still had to pay, he had to deal with the shit that he caused with, with, with, we got a Athena killed. Am I making that? Yeah, well, they killed Athena. Athena was the baby then. He had to sacrifice. No, no, no, baby was his kid. That he did that before. Oh, that wasn't Athena. And then he didn't tell us the other story. Because I just assumed that him and Lupita and the young go ahead is in Dale. Nope. That wasn't Athena? No. Well, that baby got killed and Lupita's character, Helen and Troy didn't get over it. Is that Helen and Troy? No, that was Helen and Troy. I got to watch this shit again. But he, he, she, she killed Mark Gagnon because fucking, I'm not. She killed him because she was upset about that sacrifice, but to him, that was a noble thing to do making that type of sacrifice. And that's, that's not even the other odyssey. What do you mean? I'd just see my dick in your mouth. Okay. I, that wasn't fair. Not in that conversation. I mean, it was, it was, it was, it was too, you're bound to get caught. I knew it though. I felt like I was walking on landmines. I got, I got to know it. Okay. Anyway, back to the story. But he, he got warned by, what's the character name? Agamemnon. Agamemnon. So Agamemnon is the one who put that in his head that going home isn't going to be what you think it is. To watch Dune? Did you watch those movies at all? No, no. Okay. Doesn't matter. No. So that's why he went in as a bigger. All right. Guys, take a break for a second. This podcast brought to you by Squarespace. 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I just looked at it as that was a cheap way to let us now know that Tom Holland's character knows this is Odyssey. But that's real. And I think in the book, it doesn't. I don't think Temecula, which is like Tom Holland's character. Notice is it. But they do have that beautiful moment. And it's like, he's just the loyal, he's the little servant him, and then you're, you're Mayas, or whatever his name is, which is Jolling, was almost character. Yeah. Listen, I enjoyed it. Like I just enjoyed the movie. I just thought it was a good fucking movie. There's another thing like, you know, and he's with Calypso. I'm not kidding you. So at least the Ron's character, when he has, she has him kidnapped on the island. Oh, yes. So the real Odysseus, they didn't even show him fucking her. So the real Odysseus was knocking down on all these hoes and staying until he was tired of them. Damn. So in the, the lotus flower shirt, you know, like, to forget, he never takes that. Oh, so he know he's knocking her down. Yeah. So she was drugging her. No, don't worry about the woke shit. No, thank you. He was drugging him. No, no, he was not. Nobody got an issue. Nobody got an issue. It's hard drugging him. And she don't even remember Molly and the drink. He don't even know. It's crazy. That's fucking crazy, yo. I enjoyed it. I don't know what to tell you. I thoroughly enjoyed it. Movie was unbelievable. Now I was, man. But the decisions that Nolan made were brilliant because he made it better. It's better than the real story. The real story is not as good. And the real story isn't even the real story. The real story is the only version some dude wrote down hundreds of years after the real guys were telling the real story. Sounds like the Bible. Exactly. This is what Alex was saying as well. So it's like, for me, having your own interpretation on these events, like people like, oh, but he wasn't true to the real story. It's like, how do you know that guy was true to the real story? He just heard it as well and added his sauce to it. I read that home a long time ago and the Bailey remember it. But I like this version because it's lessons about ego. It's lessons about letting go and letting God. It's lessons about, you know, thinking that you're going to have some type of home coming when you go home because you feel like you've gone and done all of these great things, but people look at what you've done in a completely different way. I thoroughly enjoyed it and it made me be like, yo, at some point you got to learn how to keep fucking still. I honestly didn't even feel comfortable in his kingdom anymore. Even after all the events happened, that's why he ran. So in the book, they don't make it like in the movie, they make it like he was exiled because obviously the families of all the people he killed with one of them and then he had to go west to, you know, give his apology to it out. I would have liked that better. Well, that is what happened in the, sorry, that's what happened in the movie. The movie he's exiled, right? Oh, he left. Yeah, meaning he left for multiple reasons. Like one, you just killed all the suitors. So their families are going to be pissed. So the only way the son can maintain the throne is if he pays the punishment and he's exiled from the land. He goes west to go apologize. Wouldn't the family want to kill the son? I think the agreement was the son didn't do anything. The father did. Don't see. I got a, maybe I missed it. I didn't see that spelled out. That would have made, that wasn't spelled out. Okay. See, that would have made me feel better. That if I had a butt, it's that. It's like there was no consequence for his action. Because it actually looked like he rides off into the sunset. Because what did those, what did the suitors do to his wrong? Nothing, nothing, right? Like, Odysseus is dead. It's 20 years to do it as in comeback. Like, you're the queen, we gotta have a kingdom. - You wait 20 years for you try to pop somebody's cheek. That's kind of no, that's no but, you know what I mean? 'Cause I could have been on it like the first week. I waited 20 years. - Even a calendar year is generous. - You see, I was like a calendar year. - Look, if they look, Drake wasn't one of the suitors. Like, think about that. Think about how you hear about these guys going to jail. And like, like the guy's best friend and some doing it really. - Really? - It's on the girl immediately. - It is 20 years. - How many soldiers do we have? You go to war and you still got a phone. - Do you see what I'm saying? - Some guys knocking your chin down while you're away. At war. - I'm trying to open the straight. - I do wish they would have shown me that. I wanted, I wanted Odyssey to actually try to get forgiveness. Or if they would have told me he was exiled 'cause he couldn't be hearing no more. That would have made sense to me as well. - Well, the book is the cautionary tale about like having to constantly travel and never feeling okay at home. - Never feeling okay. - And that's the flaw of, like Nolan made it so that he was aware of his flaws. And I think, and like he changed certain things because of it, whereas I think the book was, he is aware of his flaws by the end. But he's like, I don't know if I could change, bro. Like, we gotta stay on his boat and keep traveling. I need to explore the world. I mean, just think about it. He ends the war, right? In the Trojan War. And then decides to not go back with Agamemnon. Agamemnon's going this way. He's like, oh, let's pop over to the fucking lady for a little bit and hang out like. - Yeah, I didn't like that. I didn't like how he, I guess they also didn't show how at some point, I just, you gotta listen to something greater than yourself. I understand God. - Well, he needed to be humbled. Remember, he thought that he could, in his mind, he outsmarted the gods. - Yeah. - So the process, Poseidon humbles him to the point where he goes, fuck, the only, I am not better than them. And there's that moment where Calypso says to him, you can go home, you're ready, but you have to submit yourself to the gods. And Poseidon is gonna punish the shit out of you, but Zeus won't let him kill you. And that's when he's in the raft and the water, and then just ends up on the shore. - I understand Odyssey feeling like he was smarter than all the men. - Odysseus, yeah. - Odysseus. - I never thought that he thought he was smarter than the gods. - Yeah, that was his whole thing. It's like, I'm not gonna listen to you. I can outsmart them. I could tell my men what to do. We could find a way around it. - Yeah. - And he's slowly learning that like the men can't listen what he says. He goes, listen, we could go to this land and chill there, but don't eat the cattle. 'Cause there are Apollo's cattle. If you eat them, you'll all die. They're there for a few weeks. They got a bonfire going. What a fucking barbecue. - No, maybe they were, no, I'm lying. There were the moments where he started actually listening to people. Like he's, he listened to his son, right? - Yeah, I mean, he even listened before. Like he listens to Chalisp so finally. - Yeah, yeah, you're right. - And she helps him kind of remember the past. - That's what, that's when he, that's when he, to me, that's when his journey began. - Yeah. - Like when he started listening to other people, right? Of course, of course you're listening to the gods. - All of his friends needed to die. Think about that. - That's crazy. - Literally everyone around him needed to die. He's gone an island for seven years with a chick. And then he goes, okay, I think I wanna go home. - And I love, I love him coming back to his home as a beggar. - Because he can see from that perspective. And he can see how. - People actually will treat you. - That's right. Nobody's actually following Zeus's law. Like nobody's actually treating the beggar. - Society has found, oh man, not, not, it was real. - And it's society is decomposed because of his action. - Yeah. - He's the reason, he's hearing about the sea people, right? And these people who are just like lawlessness and just ravishing civilization and deconstructing all of it. And what he soon realizes that he was the sea people, he started that and his actions started that. - So he goes here to rep what he's so. - And just one thing though, so with the Zeus law, the guest must also respect the host home and show gratitude and not abuse their generosity. So the guest, - I don't think that's a problem. - The suitors will kind of break in Zeus law as well. - You could make an argument that they were breaking the law, but I would also make the argument like, we're here suiting you. Like if you just marry one of us, we all go home. You got to marry somebody, your husband's dead and we had a kingdom of us. - What if you're suiting without consent? That's what a lot of them were trying to do. - That's not suiting. - A lot of them were trying to suit without consent. - Well that's not suiting. - It wasn't to tell she was open to it that they could really let that nothing. All before that, they was trying to force her to kind of, - To get married. - To get married, yeah. - Yeah, I mean, not even force because they respected it. You know, they were like, "Yo, and this is what it is." I think they were pretty patient for the time. - Dude, I mean, this is a time where raping and pillaging was normal and these guys waited 20 years to get some cheeks, that's pretty good. - I mean, nah, I think about it. I guess my other only thing. - Tell me. - If you're gonna have black people in the movie, not really brown people with jolabuzama, you couldn't really tell he was jolabuzama. But if you're gonna have black phenomenal, you should just, when it comes to extras and shit, you should just have more of them in the room. Like, when they were having the dinners and all of that. - Like, how? - 'Cause it was only one brother, the whole time. Like, that didn't make no sense. Like, if you're gonna do it, you should've just had some extras. Like, you know, that's the only other thing. - I guess, I think the argument is like, it was more rare. It's not that it was completely rare. But to have like a, I think there were way more black people that existed in the time than people think. When they think about Greece. - I also think like, the Greeks looked way more brown than we have. - We can't strike. - Yeah, okay. - He looked like he could be into Greek. - I think he looked like he could be like Sicilian or Northern African. But like, what? - I think that's what the into Greeks looked like. - Maybe, I think the Greeks are like, I think lighter, to be honest with you. Because if you're in like, Northern Greece or you're in Ithaca, you're, it's not exactly, that's like Alexander the Great, right? Like he was more European looking. - 'Cause he's Macedonian. - Right, yeah. - Dies further, the further you go down, the peninsula. - The more Arabic or, you look or whatever. But, that's why I thought the Lapitanyongo thing was kind of fire because imagine, you're existing at a time where there's not that many like, dark, brown people, dark black people, right? - And then you have this stunningly beautiful one. We're talking about the most beautiful women in the world. To me, that would be peak uniqueness at a time like that. Finding another blonde or brown here. - That sounds like it, not, not, not. - I find another blonde or brown here girl, you're like, all right, whatever, there's a million these, have a lot of, that's the answer. - You're looking at this girl, you're like, yo, we've never seen one like this. - That's the hell of a statement. No, no, that's the hell of a statement. If you got this movie that has got this lily white cast and the most beautiful woman in the movie, are you saying the most beautiful one in the world is Lapitanyongo, now you're right. - Right, like to me, I could get behind it in the same, because if you just had a brunette there who's playing at this hot, there could be something to be like, yeah, she's super hopper like, I know another brunette that's hot. But if you don't know another girl that looks exact like that, there's a version where you could be like, this is the shiniest diamond in the world. - Yeah, but I'll tell you one thing, man, it felt good to go just watch a movie and escape. I didn't think about, when I promise you, when I went to go look at like review, after you watch them, you go like watch the YouTube videos and stuff just to see, look at you. I did not expect to hear anybody complain about wilderness. - They went in there ready to complain about it. - I, hey, I thought it was great. - There wasn't anything woke about it. - Nothing, the other thing I love about Christopher Nolan is he don't use CGI. - Brother. - He's using real fucking props, like that, the Trojan horse, they built that, and you know the scene when those fucking big ass night shit come out of the woods. - I'ma fuck you up in a second, go. - Those are real people? - Yeah, I know. They said they wouldn't cast it, seven feet tall people. - Yeah. - And they went in, the woman who was, that wasn't even mad, Damien, them, that was a woman. - Yeah, so they had like super small women. - Oh. - And then these seven vitudes and they used some cameras. - Oh my God. - You wanna know the crazy scene? You know that the, the, the cyclops was a puppet, right? - No. - That's not even CGI. - A puppet? - Like literally like a puppet with strings. - And they would move. - Fuck out of here. - So, and then that's not even a crazy part. - You know when they turn them into pigs? - Yes. - That's practical. - I don't know the fucking radical. - Practical means real, not CGI. - Huh? (laughing) - What? - I know it sounds crazy. - What? - I took the one, right. - What? - That's, I know it sounds crazy. So, what they did is, they used some camera tricks or whatever, but they created these like, - These? - Play, play. - Like versions of things where they could be manipulated and like mush, et cetera, by the actress. But none of that is CGI. - Fire. - Yeah, you wanna? - Fire. - Even crazier? The whirlpool? Nah, nah. Just hear me out. The whirlpool, jet skis in a circle, a bunch of them. - Nah. - Yup. And then eventually I'm sure they used some CGI to make the middle of it look crazy. - Wow. - But they actually made the water turn, I just drive in jet skis in a circle. - Wow. - Listen man, that shit, it adds a great touch. - Right. - You see, we don't even realize what we're not seeing 'cause we don't see it anymore. We're so used to seeing the CGI and shit like that. Like, we become accustomed to it. But when you see when it's not CGI, it just looks so much real. I add so much more texture to it, man. - Also like, CGI is not impressive anymore. There was a time when we were kids-- - All green screen. - All green screen because when we were kids, right? like we would see something that was created. with CGI and it would blow on a transformer mashing into a building, the building completely falling down. Like your brain couldn't conceptualize how it could even happen. Now I could type in my phone, transformer heads building fall down and I could have a perfect Marvel movie version of that by AI. - Well that's the CGI is gonna be the least of our problems in about two years. I mean they're gonna be, there are already is, but most movies gonna be full AI. - I mean that's some good AI shit out there. - I like AI when it comes to the animation. I've seen some really good AI animation. I don't wanna see no AI trying to make me believe that it's actual humans, but the animation actually looks dope. - New Street Fighter movie? - No AI in the animation parts. - Really? - That's good. - I think that's dope. Honestly I have to see in fucking Odyssey and then see in the Doomsday trailer. I was just like, it's you like know what? Because CGI used to be hard, right? We would look at it like this is an impossible task. - That's cheap. - Now it's cheap. - Yeah man, and then like I watch so much Marvel stuff that I even watched the makings of it. When you realize like you should-- - That shit is ass when you watch them. - Don't share the makings of Marvel no more. - You just see a big green screen and someone holding the fake camera. - The costumes aren't even real. - Trash. - Like they got the fucking shit all over the place. - Yeah bro. - The worst thing they did is drop that trailer the same weekend. They thought that they were gonna like take some of the wind out of the sales or whatever and I think it actually hurt them. - They should've just focused on Spider-Man. - That's it. - Spider-Man comes out on the 31st. Listen, you got Tom Holland in Odyssey, you got fucking Zendaya in Odyssey, you got the guy that plays Punisher, what's his name? - John Berthol. - John Berthol, he's in Odyssey. All of these people are in Spider-Man. Now it was not the time to give us doomsday. - Nope. - You should've gave us another Spider-Man trailer, highlighting all of them. 'Cause after what I saw in Odyssey, I couldn't wait to go see Spider-Man. I was like, "Yo, we get to go see them again "in a couple of weeks." That's literally where my mind was at. Should've gave him the most Spider-Man. Doomsday shit. - And the graphics on the rest of it anymore, bro. - Ah. - You're gonna have to do things outside the graphics. Like, yeah, that story has to be good. The fight choreography has to be clever. But just going, "Hey, here's an explosion. "We could do it on our phones now." - Yeah, I have, I started Doomsday trailer and I realized something. I'm like, I have no emotional attachment to Doomsday. - Oh, come on. - Keep talking now, Alan. - Oh, and that shit is exciting, man. - But Alex, think about all the other Avengers movies and how we got to them. By the time you saw Infinity War and in-game trailer, you had been invested for the last decade plus. - True. - It's been, what, seven, eight years since in-game? - They lost their step a little bit, but right now, this is gonna be a continuation of in-game. So it's gonna be like, "I think that's why." To me, that feels like some retconning that doesn't need to be. You put such a great button on in-game, give me something totally new. The fact that you gotta go back in the in-game and add seven more minutes. - Jordan, but the fuck am I showing my wizards? - It's, it feels weird. - It's like, Jordan with the wizards. - It feels weird. I don't have, like, I'm looking at, I'm like, "Yo, there's no buildup to this." We can't just get- - What's the story line? - That's my point. Dooms, what, Dooms, the most powerful Marvel villain, what's the story line? - You have Robert Downing Jr. playing Dune, you know that shit is gonna be crazy. - No, it's gonna be crazy. - But what's the storyline? - They're not gonna tell you the storyline? - That's the problem. - Well, do you better? Going in the infinity world, we knew what it was. And by the way, that was the first time we saw Thanos in action was the infinity world. All before, it was this little thing that the end of the movie was. - We had no idea what the storyline for the movie was. We just knew that Thanos was the enemy, but that's it. - Listen, I'm going to see Dooms, they got my money, but all I'm simply saying is I have no emotional attachment to it whatsoever, like none. Like there's been no buildup. I don't even know how we got here. - When does it come out? - I don't remember. - I don't remember. - December 19th. - All right, look, they got time to build the story. - No, they got one movie, Spider-Man's coming out. - No, no, meaning they have time in the marketing to build the story. Like, you could get it going. The point that I'm trying to make is in order to invoke that reaction that you and I both want, which is like to feel emotionally connected to this storyline, they're going to have to do more in the marketing than simply being like Robert Dijuner's playing doing. - Word up. - Because also now, we've had some movies that are fine. Dune is going to come out. We're more connected right now. If you've watched any of the Dune movies, you're way more connected to this third Dune movie than you are. This Avengers movie that they had to, this is no shade, but they had to put together 'cause the other Marvel stuff wasn't worked. - That's a fact. - It's true. - We know, I don't think that Dune's day was in the plans. I think the plans were, here's the next generation of Marvel characters, that didn't work out. And then they were like, uh-oh. We spent a lot of money on this Marvel property. We got to make that much impact. - Yeah, man. - All movies like Odyssey continue to show us is that we, the consumer, want new IP. We, the consumer, want new stories. You know, even if it's, even though it's the oldest story. - You know, it's the oldest story ever, but it might not be the best example. - But I'm just saying, we haven't seen, well, they haven't been on the big screen before, but this generation may have not seen it on the big screen. - It's also like-- - I saw a superhero. That's a hot trash superhero. - Tell me, man. - Oh my god, I was disgusted. - Yo, but here's the thing about the Odyssey. I think it's so interesting is like, and it really made me, I was talking about this on Flagon, but like it made me think about anything that I'm working on now. It's like two things. One, what is the simplest version of your story? Like, and the simplest version of your story is probably what's gonna make it last, you know, the test of time, which is like 3,000 years or whenever this is fucking written. It's, guy is trying to get back to his wife before other guy's fucker. That's relatable. Guy's trying to get back to his wife before other guy's fucker and kill your son. That's the oldest, what are you trying to get back to? - In this iteration, let's call it. - Okay, you know, like, to me, that is like the simplest version of what this story is, and you immediately know what to root for from the beginning of the movie. It's very clear. Now, Guy trying to get back to his wife before other guy's fucker and kill his son. - Our son loving his dad so much and believing his dad was still alive and wanting to go get daddy before other guy's fuck mom. - That's also true, and that's the son's journey, right? Like, the son and the wife got a different journey. But like, add the fact that they're trying to fuck your wife and kill your son and you had to go fight an award. You didn't even want to fight in. So now you're taking away from them for an unjust reason. And you got to get back before they take everything that's, you know, valuable to you. - You know, and then like, this is the, the shit I saw from Nolan, which I thought was great, which is like, Christmas Nolan keeps returning to the same heartbreaking truth. The greatest tragedy isn't death, but losing precious time with the ones you love to war and destruction. The greatest tragedy isn't death. - It's losing time. - Losing time to the ones you love. That's the thing that every single person that I see with older kids that sees me with my daughter goes, it goes so fast. - All right. - You have two kids. You have one that's out of the house. Yours are getting out of the house. Is, do you ruminate on that? Do you think about fuck? - Yes. - All the time. - Oh my. - What dumb shit did I do that I missed all that time? - Too much. No, yeah, I don't even know what happened. I don't even know the fuck having either, Chris. I remember coming out the womb. - Yeah. - And now it's like, what the fuck? - And how relatable is that? This man missed 18 years of his kids life 'cause he's fighting a ward and his fucking boss wants to go fight that he'll give a fuck about. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So much so that when he returned home, he didn't even look at that kid as his son. - He didn't even know what he was talking to him. I didn't understand, I couldn't tell if he was pretending. Or he really didn't look at him as his son. - No, I think he was pretending. I think he was pretending. - He was pretending, yeah. - It was easy to pretend when you don't know the little mouthful. - That's true. - That's true. - I agree with you. Nolan is, man, it made me want to just go on a binge watch and go. - He's the goal. - This shit is too long to do. - But like he is probably the greatest filmmaker ever. Like if we're gonna keep it a buck, bro. Cameron up there too. - Spielberg, Cameron. - I think Spielberg's had more misses than Cameron and Nolan. Not, no, hey. - Spielberg took more swings too. - He's taking way more swings. - Way more swings. - And a goat in his own right, for sure. - Ooh, ooh, ooh. Nolan's up there. I mean, I don't know where you rank them, but he's up there. Tell me who's, tell me who's around him. - Stanley Kubbeck. - But what did he do? Who the fuck is Stanley Kubbeck? He did eyes wide shut, is that him? - He did. Barry Lyndon, a great movie. He did a full metal jacket. He did space audits. He 2001 in space audices. Lolita, he did a clockwork art. He did. - Billy and Chris, that's kind of like, that's not like comparing 80s ball players to like. - Not the strange love. - That's like comparing 80s ball players to 90s ball players. I mean, I get what you're saying. Those were great movies in his day. - You trying to tell me Moses Malone is better than Michael Jordan? - You see what I'm saying? - Yeah. - It's like, I know it's too early, but I'm gonna put Ryan Kubbeck in there 'cause he doesn't have a miss yet. - Too early. - It's too early, but he doesn't have a miss. - Let me ask you, let me ask you. - I like how Kubbeck is up too early though. really talented. brilliantly, brilliantly talented Ryan Cougar. If you had to say his best piece of work, what would you say is so far? I mean, this guy's got a long career. - Black Panther one. - Would you put Black Panther? - No, sinners. - No, sinners. - I like Black Panther one more. - Sinners is way better. - All right, would you? - I'll tell you on that one, I'll tell you. - Would you put Black Panther or sinners up against, say this last one, 'cause I just told you before. - No, no, up against interstellar or dark night. - But that's not fair. - Cougar's gonna get there. - That's what I'm saying is young. - Yeah, he's gonna get there. Like like like like. - I would put sinners over, honest. - Yeah, yeah, I'm sure there's people that were, like he's nice and is over. - I wouldn't, but he's nice. Cougar's nice. What I'm saying is it's unfair because he's too young. - That's what I'm saying. - And I'm making his deck as long as over. - Yeah. - I think the cinematography on sinners were better. - I think the story of Odyssey is better, but you take up. - Oh, okay, okay, okay, it's even a bruised IP. - The sinners look better, yes, but it's a better story movie. - I don't know. - Odyssey, this is not his story. - But nice. - Senator's original. - Original. - Yeah. - Okay, okay, okay. - Robert Rodriguez might feel differently. - You guys don't have Scorsese in this conversation. - Scorsese is in there. He's up there, but he can't fuck with Nolan. - Yes, he can, what do you talk about? - Scorsese is nasty. - So if they didn't ask you what story? - Yeah. - And Nolan's nasty was started with the way Nolan shit looked. I got Tarrantino up there. - Oh, Tarrantino. - So that's the one that you know. - So here's the thing with Tarrantino. - So here's the thing, Tarrantino. - Okay. - All right, this is, all right, this, everything gets different if you gotta go top three or four movies. If you gotta go, we're judging people by their top three. - Okay, okay. - Now Spielberg. It's hard to say it's not Spielberg if you just go top three or even Tarrantino if you just go top three. Tarrantino, you can, I'm taking Pulp Fiction. - Got him. - I'm taking kill Bill one, and probably reservoir dog. - Well, what about the fucking, the Django? - Yeah, Django. - I mean, yeah, yeah. - Jackie Brown, I don't know if you guys fuck with Jackie Brown. But fire, I'm crazy. Nolan just, Spielberg, it's not even close. - It's Spielberg. - It's not even close. - Steadler, Steven Private Ryan. - No, still, E-T. - E-T. - No, but the gun, I mean, come on. - Nah, I'm, you know, Spielberg, if, again, if we're just going to start-- - Right, here's to the lost heart. - Not at all. - Come on, man. - Is he just named armed? - But I'm again, I know what you're about to say. I know what you're about to say, but I'm gonna say why I'm gonna fuck you up. - Yes, there. - This close you day was fire. - Nah, I see it, y'all ain't see it yet, this close you day was fire. So, Spielberg has already shown me, he can transcend generations. Like, this close, this close you day and honestly, are the best movies I've seen this year. - All right, hold on. - Spielberg's got some of them though. Absolute all-time classics. - All-out. - This close you day is one. Spielberg, if we go top three, what are your top three Spielbergs? Steven Private Ryan, gotta be in it. That's not no question, right? - I mean, Jaws is one of the greatest movies of all time. You guys can't imagine. - That's Jaws is fire back in the day. - You guys don't understand fire back in the day. - I remember my dad's thing right now. - I remember my dad took me to see Jaws in theaters. I remember Jaws three in the theater, bro. - Fuck me. - What? When you sit in the movie, then that big ass fucking shark is coming up that fucking screen. Jaws is fire, bro. - Also like. - Close encounters of the third kind. You guys don't understand how big a movie that was, man. - Yeah. - That was a monster. Shindler's list. - Yeah. - That's a, that's a all-time epic. - Yee-ee. - Saving prior to it, Ryan. - All-time epic. - Yeah, like, E.T. - Now, E.T. is a fucking banger, bro. - E.T. - But it's not the top movie. Nobody puts it in. - That's it. - No, E.T. is on the stand. - That's the classic version. - No, you guys don't understand. - If I have to do a top 10 movies of all time, my whole life, I probably, I can, I can get E.T. in there, bro. E.T. was fire, bro. - Okay. - That's why I think redemption, who did that? Who did, who did, who did Shaw Sank Redemption, Chris? - I don't know. Let's see, my phone is dead, so. It was directed by Frank Daribont. - Yeah, man. - I'm looking at this, I asked Chad G.P.T. Who the top 10 mixed filmmakers. - One big swing. - Chad G.P.T. said, number 10 is Christopher Nolan. Number nine is Frederico Felini. I don't even know who that is. - Great. New wave director. - What do you do? - He did a bunch of, he's a talent. They were like all very influential Italian musicians, like the '50s and '60s. - Okay, eight is Ingmar Bergman. Ingmar Bergman. I don't know who that is. - Also great director, sure. - Seven Orson Wells, six Francis Ford Coppola, five Scorsese, four Spielberg, three Stanley Kubrick, two Akira Corrosawa and number one Alfred Hitchcock. - No, come on, sorry. (laughing) They got an Alfred. - They even put Tarantino on the list. Tarantino not even on the list, which is crazy to me. Tarantino not even on the list. - Tarantino's a little gimmicky. - No, stats. - No, he's not. - Yes he is. - Style, why is he gimmicky? What's gimmicky about him? He got a very sti- - He got one style, man. - Look at the range we just showed you with Spielberg. - What all of that range? - But Tarantino's movies have range, though he can go from Django to Pope fiction. - It's literally a movie about slave. - But it's got the same energy. It's got the same pacing. It's got the same interview. - I can say that about Nolan. - Yeah, you can say that. - Yeah, exactly. - But I'm not talking about Nolan. I'm talking about Spielberg. - But I'm saying most great directors have that. Like most great directors have that same signature style. - That's great, but what I'm saying is that's what, looking at these lists, that's what sets Spielberg apart. The range between Jaws and Schindler's list. Think about that. There couldn't be two movies more different. - You know, it's like you drive a Ryan right in the middle. - You know another great Spielberg movie I love? That a minority report, my minority report. My minority report was five. - It was far, but I don't know if range means you're better. - Yes, when all your range hits, it does. - Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like if you got range, and this is not Spielberg, but if you got range and everything's at eight, it doesn't mean you're the greatest. You gotta have, you gotta, if, if, - That was a bunch of 9s and 10s, I just mean. If you gotta be a 10 to be in a conversation, and if everybody else is also a 10 and you have range, that might separate. - Yeah. - No one got like five tens, bro. - Spielberg definitely got five tens. No only got like five tens. I'm not, like, like, at night of a 10. - Count no one's misses. Let's, let's do that. - Tenant. - Tenant is the only one really. I didn't, I didn't really fuck with the bomb movie. - Which one was that? - The, Albert Einstein shit. - Oh, I'm in him. - I'm in Heimer. - You're like, I'm in him all the fun. - He, oh, you can't. - Oh wow. - I'm saying that was the greatest movie ever. - No. - Yes you did. - No, remember I had, remember I had like, I was going through my breathing shit 'cause we were trying to get pregnant. I had that, like, anxiety and do sexiation. I couldn't breathe. So the whole time, I couldn't breathe. I was like, this shit is horrible. I was like, I want to leave it. - Oh man. - I think I'm thinking of the jet movie with the Tom Cruise shit. - That shit is fine. - You did that was the greatest movie of the time. - Tom Good. - Tom Good. - And Maverick. - Tom Good? - No, I don't know. - Oh, but Maverick was incredible. But Oppenheimer and some people say that's like, no one's best work. - I think dark night is the best work. - I think they decided Oppenheimer was his best work before they saw it. And I think it was like, who's they? You already know who they is. - Okay. - No, I know who they are. - It's a mannequin. (all laughing) - I think it's a dark night inception, is this best? - It's a stellar for you. - No, in a stellar. - I, but I like Inception. - In a stellar, one of the greatest movie, yo, I, do I tell you about this movie? I saw it, nah, there, I told you about it last week. - Inception's a 10, in a stellar, the 10. - Project Hail Mary, did I talk about that last week or two weeks ago? - It's new. - No, this is the Brian Gosling Space movie. - Oh, that's all that. - Oh my God, this movie's fucking incredible. - It's out now? - It was out already. It made hundreds of millions of dollars. I was like, how's this movie making all this fucking money? - It was good. - What's it called? It's called Project Hail Mary. - I ain't finished it. - No. - Unbelievable. - Really? - It's by the same dude who wrote the book, The Martian. - Ooh. - Andy Weir, he also wrote this book, so they just made a movie about this one. I was like, how is there an audience for this? I didn't get it. I didn't realize it was based on the novel. And it is so good. - I gotta watch it, I gotta watch it. But Nolan got five tens. Spielberg definitely got five tens. You got five tens as a filmmaker, bro. You got, we gotta put you in Elite category. These guys are elite elite elite. - And we're talking about five undisputable. - Is that the word? - Indisputable? - Indisputable. - Indisputable tens. We're not talking about like, yeah. Like some people say, well that was my favorite, but this is five indisputable tens. - To be clear, I would put Tarantino in there. I think Tarantino is fantastic. - Yes. - But the notice similar. So when it's like in the World Cup, okay, you guys have the same record. Now we gotta go to goal scored. Okay, you guys are tying that. We gotta go to, you know, like at some point you gotta keep breaking it down. And that's not true. - I feel like Nolan is the same way though. No one has a similar tone. - Yeah, very much so. - I think he has a similar tone. - Very much so. - All right, let's pay some bills, man. - 'Cause he always does like the time jumping around stuff, right? - Messes with time, messes with. same. Actors, same actresses a lot of times. - Yeah, you know what I think that's about, man? - What is that? - I wonder. - Well, see, I don't have a problem with it. Every great director did that. When you find these people that are like amused to you, that's what you think about. Like think about Spike Lee and Denzel. Think about Scorsese, you know. - I think that became Scorsese's Achilles heel. - I know, I got tired of seeing like De Niro and Pacino and the Irish men trying to make them look 45 when they're 75. I was like, just go find some fresh actors, man. - So, I think it's different for different directors. But I think Tarantino, again, I don't know enough. This is me completely guessing. I think knowing things, he's so nice anybody could do it. So, I think that he's placing people in, not that he's like, they're gonna bring something that I can't even believe is here. I think he knows exactly what the movie's gonna look like before it even begins. And I think he's like, all right, who can, who's not gonna fuck stuff? Like, you know what I mean? Where I think there's some directors that are going, I need, like there's no way you could predict what Jim Carey's gonna do. You can't predict it, right? He's like such an anomaly or like, and there's other, Robert Williams or whatever, like I'm using comedy, but I'm sure there's other. Dan Zell, for example, like, but I think with the Nolan, it's like, he already has the movie in his head. And he's like, who do I know is gonna deliver? And if they deliver, it's gonna be the best thing. Does that make sense? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - The difference is, yeah. - But isn't that a little bit of a crutch that the fact that he just went with every single A-list actor? - So, so check it, I think Tarantino's the opposite. I think Tarantino likes to take a washed ass actor and goes and go, y'all thought John's revolt was done? - Let me show you something. - Let me show you how nice I am. But, let me show you how nice I am that if I put him in my shit, you're gonna go, this is the greatest actor of our. - But I don't think Nolan just went and grabbed a bunch of A-listes. Like, he'd worked with Damon before. - Everybody in that movie he worked with. - Yeah, everybody. And he went from what I was told, he wanted Christian Bale to play O-Desson. - O-Desson. - O-Desson. - Oh, really? - I mean, I'd write that, I don't know if that's true, and I didn't see him say that. - But nobody says no, bro. - He calls you. - There's a funny story. - But it was a reason Bale couldn't do it, though. Nobody says no, bro. - But I just, I would have been really impressed. That's why it's part of the reason why I like Game of Thrones so much, 'cause they don't take the big actors. - They can't afford it now. You really focus on the story. This was just like- - I didn't feel like that in this though. - I promise you, when those guys popped up on the screen, for a brief second, you'd be like, "Oh, that's such a such." - And then you lose it. - I'm out of it. - But I think you lost it because there were just so many of them. - No, I don't think so. - Every single actor and actress in there was top-top A-list. - First floor. - Every single one. - Let's be clear. I'm black. - You didn't know most. - I didn't even know most. - Okay, I knew Matt Damon. I knew Charlie, what's the name? - You got it. I knew her. I knew Robert Patterson. And I think Punisher. - And you do the wife? - That was Charlie there, wasn't it? Oh, it was Charlie there with the one he was piping on the island. I don't know who the fuck the wife is. Who the wife? - What's it name? - And half exactly. Oh shit, that was Amy, how'd the wait? - Wow. - She's a genius, bro. She's nice. - She's not smart enough to make us know who she is yet. - Well, you were not allowed to because she's the white woman. - That's right, that's right. - You know who Lupita Nyongo was? - I did. I didn't know who that is. She's Mexican though. - We didn't forget that. - What's she mean as true? - She's Mexican. - A family immigrated to Mexico from-- - She's Mexican. - I believe. - Get the fuck. - Yeah, Lupita Nyongo's Mexican. I remember there wasn't even a little controversy at one point 'cause he was stressing that. Like, that she's Mexican. - Her first language is whatever dialect she spoke from her family in Kenya. - Look it up. I remember-- - And Spanish? - That's fun. - Y'all didn't know that? - Mm. - Yeah. - She's born in Mexico City. - That's it, Chilanga! - Was raised in Kenya from the age of three. - Oh, she's Kenya. - Come on bro. - She's world cup Mexican. She's world cup. 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Stop making your YouTube conspiracy theory videos and actually go pick up this book and read it and say, "Shall I'm in his plan in our face again?" illuminati. Available everywhere now. Now, Shotsy. Yes, sir. Did you see Hunter Biden say that everybody in Washington that's Republican is gay? Yeah, I didn't see him say everybody, but he basically said there's a undercover gay mafia. I don't like him taking Dr. Umar's talking points and using him for his self, man. This feels very, you know, Elvis Presley doing rock and roll after he heard Jimmy Hendrix do it. You know me? You know white boys popping when Charlemagne hates one. Yeah. You know a white boy is popping when Charlemagne is cutting his legs. Let's listen to it. Tell me, tell me, you haven't heard this before. Listen. everybody knows there is like this closet it. gay mafia, largely Republican, that exists in Washington, D.C., and everybody knows every single one of them, who's gay. And so it's in what I believe, the only reason that that is relevant is because I believe that internal conflict creates so much vitriol inside a person that they take it out on the rest of the world. And they do. And so what they do is their whole lives, they've been closeted. And so you have this like black ball inside your, yourself, this like black, blackened heart by the fact that you can't be who you want to be. And so you take it out on to everybody else. And these men, largely men, have done exactly that. And there, everybody knows who they are. Everybody. Yeah. And so you wait until Lindsey Graham passed the way to start talking like this is so disrespect. How that conversation while he's in peace, you know what I'm saying, like, you don't think that's disrespectful, you know? It is also funny that he's like, somebody gay instead of black balls in him. No, no. That's awesome. No, I'm like, they can't be gay. They can't be gay in an asshole. No, that's how you become gay by being in an asshole. No, that's, that is true. But what he's trying to say is the reason that they have these hor, these politics that are horrible that he disagrees with is because they're closeted and won't accept themselves. And they're putting that hate out on the world. Like he can't conceptualize it. There are gay people that also might believe all these things politically. The thing about Hunter Biden is he's not saying anything. And there's this thing going on amongst liberals right now. A lot of talking points that people have been saying for the last decade plus, a lot of the more mainstream ones are starting to adopt. And there's like that. Like that, like how many times have we heard this gay, by the way, not just Republican, but definitely Republican, that the Republicans are gay and closeted and that's why, you know, they're so anti-LGBTQ, like this has been a talking point amongst us forever, you know? So now to see somebody like Hunter Biden go out there and use that talking point. All right. The other day, I saw Joy and Reed saying, I don't want to misquote Joy. Let me poll Joy up, hold on. Joy and Reed gives main Democrats permission to not vote if party replaces Grand Planner with a moderate. Okay. After Grand Planner suspended his mains in the campaign on Wednesday, telling voters they have her permission to not vote if leadership opts to replace the progressive candidate with a more moderate option. Progressive pick, Platner. So you need to replace him with somebody who is ideologically the same because that is what was decided. The people of Maine, the vote, the Democratic voters of Maine said we want a progressive. They did not say they want an APAC moderate. So the Democratic Party in Maine ought to pick someone who is ideologically the same or ideologically similar as Platner. If you don't, and the DNC shubs an APAC candidate down your throat, you have my permission to not vote for them because the Democratic Party needs to learn that it is not vote blue no matter who. It matters who. They sometimes need to lose in order to learn, sometimes when you lose, you learn. When you hear stuff like Joy and Reed, when you hear stuff like Hunter Biden, I just feel like that is where people, people have been having those conversations. It feels like a lot of these conversations are late. Well, I don't know. I've got to lay this separately. I mean, I don't know why Joy and Reed, no disrespect, is saying that supportive APAC is the biggest fundamental issue for people in Maine. I don't believe that to be true. Right? No, I believe that. APAC? Yeah, yeah. That's amazing. You're missing it at the game, Chris. You're missing it just like you missed the trend stuff last time. So business shubber. How Republicans were harping on the trends issue and that became like a real sticking point. Remember that? This is, Democrats are doing that now with APAC. They're like, yo, if a candidate feels like if a candidate is supported by APAC, we're not supporting them. All right, then walk me through it because I don't understand why. It's just that simple because they feel like genocide and Gaza. I don't think it's about the war in Gaza. I think it's about like autonomy over your country's decisions in foreign policy. And the feeling I think that probably a lot of people have is that APAC candidates are going to push them to do things that are not the best interests of America, that are the best interests in Israel. And I think a lot of Americans are probably pushing back against that idea. Why are we involved in this? Why are we continuing to support this? Why are we beholden to another country? Exactly. So I think that's specifically the pushback. I don't know if Maine, I don't know how much the people in Maine are caring about specifically what is happening in Israel, Gaza, but they might be looking at other circumstances and being like, oh, are we influenced to go into Iran? Are we influenced to continue this war? What are we doing and how much money are we spending and why is that money not going to the American people? This is really just that simple. And what Joy and Reed is talking about in regards to Maine, that is how people feel all across the country. That's why right now, the best communicator in the Democratic Party is Zora Mandani. Not only is Zora Mandani saying all the things that need to be said, he's actually establishing a track record in New York City of getting things done. And that shit he did with Netanyahu last week, listen, you don't have to be a Democrat and adopt that rhetoric. Well, boy, let him cook because that shit is impactful. When he, because he on the campaign trail, he was saying he wanted to get Netanyahu locked up because he said Netanyahu was a war criminal. We don't have an arrest warrant out there from the organization, the international. What is it, Chris? ICC. ICC. Chris is shrugging his shoulders because Chris, for whatever reason, doesn't understand politics. This is good politics, Chris. You have a good stunt. It's a good strategy. It roused people up. It gets the people going. It is a political stunt. Who is the guy that constantly is talking about locking up his political opponent? You don't want to learn nothing from Trump because y'all hate him so bad. What the reality is, he says things that are sticky that get the people going. And I said this before, when Donnie adopted a lot of Trump's rhetoric. I did a piece about this. I think he's the left Trump in a lot of ways. He did a nice thing. He did a nice thing. I talk with Donnie. I like him a lot. This was too performative for me. Benjamin Netanyahu is a war criminal, the architect of a horrific genocide against the Palestinian people. He is responsible for the killing of more than 73,000 people, for the maming of tens of thousands of children, as those who survive undergo amputation without anesthesia. For the targeting of neonatal hospitals and maternity care centers, denying newborns even the chance to live, for the countless people he starved as he blocked food and humanitarian aid from reaching them, for the gunning down of hundreds of aid workers and journalists. In just last month, the UN confirmed that Palestinian children continue to be deliberately targeted and killed by Israeli armed forces, more than eight months after the so-called ceasefire. The list goes on and on, all as we, as Americans, pay for the bombs that do the killing. There is a reason the International Criminal Court issued a warrant for his arrest. As human beings, we have spent generations building a shared understanding that there are crimes so grave they offend all of human. Anyone with their eyes, with their heart, with their conscience should recognize the devastation he has wrought and understand that he belongs before a court of law. What was the defining moment of Mandani when he ran from it? What was his defining moment? Affordability? No. What do you mean? Oh, when he was on the debate stage. Focus on your debate stage and what do you say? I'm going to focus on New York. Are you going to go to Israel? What do you say? There's the one guy who stood up. I'm the fucking mayor in New York City. What the fuck am I going to go to Israel for? This was rooted in New York. He said if Netanyahu comes to a new job of a mayor to arrest, you're lying. He's trying to keep the best New York's number going. Let him cook. No, no, no, no. Let him cook. If BB Netanyahu is concerned, I'm just saying, turn to the leader. Why? If there's no arrest warrant for BB Netanyahu. Okay. We're having two different conversations. Why not? So. Charlemagne is having the marketing conversation. That's all it is. Charlemagne has long spoken about how bad the Democrats are with marketing and messaging. Right. So this, to him, is a magnificent and brilliant marketing and messaging move, especially if the party and the constituents want to feel like there are candidates that are brave enough to push back against the establishment and the establishment. And this is an example of pushing back with, is it a bullet that's not a real bullet? What does that call? You can't even do it. I know. What does that call? A rubber bullet? Not even a rubber bullet. It's just a fake bullet. I don't know. Is it an empty threat? Yes. It's an empty threat. And he's acknowledging that the threat is empty, but the messaging meets the constituents and they get riled up about it and they really like it and they're supported by it. Okay. But what I'm really saying is I'll concede all that. You know, it's, it's build a wall. Right. Yes. That's all it is. It's like, yes. But so a new, a new leader. Okay. So let me build a wall. Immigration was a very effective marketing campaign. call it messaging for Trump because I think people really wanted that and he tapped into something. My concern is the Democratic left, whatever you want to call it, is about to eat itself alive if Israel continues to be the defining issue for the party, right? I feel the defining issues for the party right now is Trump is literally dismantling democracy in this country day by day step by step, it's happening in an incredibly fast pace. The job is get him out of here and then you figure that stuff out and I know that might sound very cold when you're talking about people who are getting slaughtered, killed by bombs, paid for by U.S. dollars. I understand all that. I think the future of the country is at stake and everybody should be united. So let's take out that. Let me just help to get him out of here, let me say one thing, let's assume that that is true. No pushback. Right? Obviously, egregious overstepping, the corruption to another level, not, I mean, not even including like another fucking potentially endless war, like everything only 67 billion. Yeah. Okay. Zero pushback to what you're saying. What the question that we have the answer right now is what you're feeling, what the average person is feeling, and what they're upset about, and I would gamble that Mamdani is more aware of what his constituents care about, than what you are even if you are more right in what is best for the country. So the only path for what I'm calling for is basically Trojan horse with throwing Israel under the bus. It's done. It's done. It's done. It's done. It's done. BB Netanyahu under the bus. We're going to Israel. It's over this. Whatever relationship is existed. This is what they feel. They're throwing BB Netanyahu under the bus, who's the corrupt leader, and they're throwing A pack under the bus, who they feel is an organization who funds all of these candidates who don't have the best interests of the people. I can't argue with that. So that's what he's doing by highlighting this. It makes Donald Trump then have to come to the defense of BB Netanyahu, so you're coming to the defense. So there's a ropedo. Yes. It is. It's coming to the defense of an international war criminal who's responsible for all these babies being killed in Gaza. So I'm saying I'm going to arrest that international war criminal if he steps foot in New York City or at least I must see if I can, which he knows he can. And now this administration has to come to the defense of these people that we know that they're beholden to. It's actually brilliant. It's chess. Now, does it eventually lead to your intended goal potentially? Maybe. I think so. Maybe not. But in terms of marketing and understanding what the base wants and not only what his base wants, but potentially what the Republican base is frustrated with the Republicans form. But now you cause a fracture within that base, right? So to me, it seems like a smart political strategy. I think what? I was just going to say, I started this agreeing with Chris where just like, I didn't really like that move, but after hearing it put that way and now I understand it better, the reason why I dislike it because like he has been the, hey, I'm focusing on the issues guy. Like they're trying to throw him off and he's like, oh, what about a run, run about this? And he's like, no, the issue is New York. And I'm getting shit done. And he's been doing that. He's getting stuff done. He's showing you the work like ignore the noise because this is hoopla, this is shit that you can't even do. You know, you can't even do that. So why invite this noise to distract you from just focusing on New York? Because he's looking at the big political capital. Yeah. Like November's right around the corner. Yeah. Democrats need it. That's what the capital is thinking. And the reality is that like he has limitations in terms of how high he can ascend in the United States of America simply because he wasn't born here. So can he be president? No. But can he gain enough political capital where he is the face of the party? Then he can insert people in these positions of power that he might not have. But now his ideas get to permeate through those figures. That was a point. Well, I didn't think Zoran Mandani could be effective all around the country. I still am liria about that, especially when it comes to where I'm from and the South. I'm born in Ray South Carolina, right? I don't know if Zoran Mandani can connect with those older black voters in the South. I'm not sure he can, but I know that those young voters that you want to rile up around the country for the midterms, you're going to need his voice. And if he keeps doing stuff like this, let him talk to that audience. That's the problem with Democrats. They call themselves a big tint, but they want everybody to be on one message. No. If everybody's a big tint, let this group talk to this group and let that group talk to this group. And this group, y'all going on there and talk to this group. There shouldn't be a fit. It should be like the NBA right now. It should be multiple people that represent this one party. Some Mamdani's credit, when asked about this, he said that he would work with people within the party that he disagreed with, like even on issues, which I thought was like a smart political statement. I don't know if his supporters will support that. Eventually, he's going to be in a position where he's supporting a candidate that might be pro-Israel, something like that, but it's for the benefit of the Democratic Party and we'll see if he's willing to do that, because they agree on other issues. You've got to show your willing to fight these people in your own party. But, well, but also if you actually want the big tint, which I think has been an issue probably for liberalism or Democrats in general, which is like, there's certain things that we cannot accept. And if you do this, we cannot allow you to be in it. And you might even say, like, is also the problem with the Republican Party. It's like, it's too big a tint. It's just like, hey, you agree with your lower taxes? You're a serial killer? All right, bro. You think taxes should be lower, right? Like, they'll accept anybody and the Democrats will accept too few. There's two, like a two-myopic view. So, you know, what ends up happening? I don't know. Who knows? That's going to take some real political capital to get people in your party to trust that you are making a decision, even if it goes against kind of what they believe in. And that's why Zoran is effective because the system, let him fall, and he's gaining the trust of everybody because he's like, hey, I'm running. I'm going to do this, this, this, this. It's checking each one of these things off. One of the things that you feel like he's checked off for you, that, like, Reese Brent, Reese. Yeah. Daycare in New York City. Daycare. What's it called? Did they do the daycare, though? Yeah. That was like one of the first things he got paid. That's an effect. No, they did. Affordable housing. They're building more. They're targeting shitty landlords, like the, like the slum-lords and stuff like that. The supermarkets, whatever that deal, I don't know, that's not going to affect me that much, but the fact that he ran on it and he's actually putting it into effect when they said, hey, you're not going to be able to do this. First one's going to be open up. I believe later this year. So it's like. You also balance the burden. Yeah. But, but, but not really. No, as much as any of those, I mean, you, but come up. Yo, you helped them win, yo. Cut it out. My, cut it thing. Fuck out. I hope everybody wins. Can I get some credit, though? Yeah, but my thing is how often do we get politicians that run on stuff and actually do it. So the fact that he's doing it, he's actually getting the trust of people. I'm not saying he's not. I'm saying, what is the effective thing for you? I think he's got a lot of things done in New York, and I think he's the most effective messenger. Fantastic. And the Democratic Party, especially to a group of people who are completely sowing on the party. Yes. You got all, you got a whole swive of people that's like, fuck the Democratic Party. But they were sowered on the party. They had a Democrat. But they were sowered on the party because the party refused to acknowledge what the people wanted. That's right. And they kept stuffing in candidates that the people didn't want. That's right. And that's how you sower a party. When this is a democracy, at the end of the day, you have to listen to the people. Let Mandani cook. I don't need Mandani to be like Josh Shapiro. I don't need Josh Shapiro. You're right. You're right. You're right. that are in control and are empowered in the party. Like I think of you asked, "Mom, got it." He's pro-Israel, he says, "No." Like straight up. Like I think he views it as a-- - It doesn't matter. - Yeah, and he says-- - No, the answer, I don't remember. - He says he believes in equal state, two equal states. - No, no. He says, "I don't believe in any state that does not have equality for its citizens. And he doesn't view Israel as having equal rights for its citizens." So that's his elegant way of saying, "No." I mean, he speaks in like-- - He doesn't advocate for a state with equal rights, stating that he cannot support any nation, whether it is Israel or Saudi Arabia, that legally privileges a specific religion. - Exactly, what's wrong with that? - Well, there's nothing wrong with his statement, but what he's basically saying is that, as long as there aren't equal rights, I won't support it. And now you're gonna get into the minutia of equal rights, which is, if your Jewish, you have the right to return to Israel, but let's say you're a Christian, and all of your family comes from the land of Israel, you don't have the right to return as a Christian. So that might be a separation of rights, because it exists as a Jewish state. I think if you ask Zoran, honestly, do you believe in a Jewish state that is Israel? I think if, I think in his most honest moment, he would be like, not in the current structure of the government. If the government did reflect complete equal rights for everybody, then sure. But then it wouldn't be a Jewish state, probably. - Again, I don't wanna speak for him, but I'm not. So there you go, now you're gonna have, the party's gonna have some trickiness, and then that's where will Zoran get behind somebody who is like, yeah, I believe in supporting the stain, I believe, given weapons, I also believe in all these other progressive values for America that Zoran agrees with, will he step over that line? That might be a red line for him. - What is superior to the Abundantyan who pulled that up? - It's the fun of time to start talking about guys like this, 'cause they are going to be the ones that are in the running. Okay, that's right. - So yeah, who do you think it is? - I don't know who the actual candidate's gonna be, but I mean, the superior is definitely going to be one of the candidates when the primary happens. - Hero has explicitly called Netthianu. If I'm saying his name correctly, I'm probably not a quote, horrible leader, who is steering Israel in a dangerous direction. He regularly criticizes Phoebe's rhetoric, particularly slamming his denial of the starvation crisis in Gaza as a poor and wrong. - But the question, he was ain't ever flocked to about seven. - But the question is, is that enough? - I don't, you're right. - I don't think that that will satisfy the appetite. - You're right. - I think that there was a time where it would, simply speaking out against the leadership and then the actions of the government. I feel like it has shifted even further now, where it's just like-- - Now you got it threatened to get him arrested. If he steps on American soil, 'cause he's the international war criminal. And I'll say-- - As of this year, March, I guess Shapiro went on a podcast tour, we're according to the Hill, he's leaning into his supportive Israel. Quote, for those who begin by suggesting that Israel doesn't have the right to exist as a Jewish state, I think that is a recipe for permanent war, Shapiro said. - He's a Jewish man. What do you want? I don't understand, that's the wild area to be. Why wouldn't you expect a Jewish man to rep for his homeland? You cannot like the government in the leadership, but still rep for your homeland. - I get it. I'm guilty of the same thing. The reason I'm gonna put back-- - That's a common sense to me. - Sure, but that might not be enough for the party and what the party wants. - Right. That's kind of my big, good question. - The concern is, so let Mandani cook and try to get the Mandani's of the world on your side, 'cause when the Mandani's of the world endorse you and say, "This is our guy, he's already done that heavy lifting for you, so you don't have to." - Here's an example, great to come on. That isn't gonna be a aha, Bomi, come on. - Here's an example. - There was this, there was this Kennedy Nebo baby that was running, there was like TikTok popular. His name was Jack Schlossby. - Barely TikTok popular. - No, he was really popular at one point. Yeah, and he was like, he was a progressive darling on TikTok. And there was this girl that like interviewed him. And now to be fair, not a good candidate, never had a real job, like never had any purpose to be in there. - It's only there 'cause he's a Kennedy. - It's only there because he's a Kennedy and because he was making TikToks. And like the young progressives got behind him 'cause they were like, this guy's a progressive and it's like all worlds are working perfectly. And in his mind he's like, okay, I've never had a job and like, this is my destiny. I should do what my family did or whatever. And he got interviewed by a girl I think her name is crack head Barbie or something like that. - Oh yeah. - And she was like, I think she is like, say free pal, it's not Jack or something that she's literally like a powdered wig. She's in the same thing. And he goes, I can't say that, campaign nose left. I think he was the front runner at one point in a play. Campaign nose dives loses the election. And I think that for the progressive, especially in New York, I don't know what it was like in Maine, but especially in New York that is seemingly turned into an issue where if you are not on the right side of it, they will not support you. So, and his thing wasn't, he was like, I believe in giving defensive weapons. He wasn't even like, yes, everything they're doing. He said all the things. He said, baby's bad. He said all the shit, but we should give defensive weapons. And that was, they were called a genocide jack. - Yes. - In fact, Jack smells like something smells a little dangerous to me right now. - Dangerous in what way? - And maybe again, this is the gentleman. - You have Christmas smell at you, right? (laughing) - That was a lot, by the way. (laughing) That was a lot, but I don't like that. I don't like this kind of all or nothing. Say it, say it, say it, you know. - I agree with that. - Get in line with the party. If you don't say it, you're out of here. We can't support you. - It's the same, it's the same lack of nuance that has been destroyed. - Dangerous. - Things for the last decade. - I don't like that. - I agree with that. - But this is, but this is the Achilles heel of the party. - Yes. - Right. - Well, it's the same on the right, it's just Trump. - For the last decade. - Say it, and if you don't say it. - Well, I would say-- - And you're saying cracks along the same fault line, which is, of course, Israel, which then again, the Jew and me is like, hmm, why is Israel become the fault line that connects these two things on opposite ends of the spectrum, right? Now you could say and respond to that, both because they're fucking bombing babies. - I don't think they've done themselves-- - That's exactly what it is. - I think they've done themselves any favors, right? Like you're seeing footage in 4K that like if you see, it's very difficult to get behind. You're also seeing like policy decisions from our government that don't seem to be prioritizing like American citizens. And I think you saw this like even with the USAID stuff, right? Like initially this idea, there was a visceral reaction from a lot of Americans and it was handled poorly and all that stuff. But this idea to like, wait, how much money is going abroad to these random causes? And then the way that it was done and it just with an axe and not really understanding, of course. - But there's always been, and I don't want to diminish how people feel about it because obviously it's a very real serious situation. But there've always been these causes internationally that a particular moment capture, let's say the far left kind of passions and attentions. When I was a kid, it was central. Sandinista, Nicaragua, you know, all these places that-- - Joseph Coney, right. - We had put money into the coups there. We had propped up dictatorships, and there was energy around it, but it was never anywhere. And maybe this is because of social media, maybe the landscapes changed. This is a different type of energy. And it's inflexible. And-- - Yes. - There's something that doesn't feel all the way. But again, this could just be me, you know. I don't know. - I have some internal stuff I gotta work out. You're gonna have a greater sensitivity to it, given your experience and experience of like your family. - Just like you guys are gonna have a greater sensitivity to things that might appear to be oppressive or racist towards black people, that some white person be like, why don't you even think it would happen that? That's got nothing to do with it. Like the way that you guys might see, and this is not to create an even correlation, but this is just like an understanding. It's like the way that you guys might interpret a DI thing, is gonna be so different than some white guy, who's just like, well, it's just let everybody get the job. Like we can't, whereas you guys might go, well, first is DI, then they're never gonna hire us. And this is their way of just getting it back to all white boys in power and positions of authority. Right, so there's gonna be certain sensitivities that people have given the things that impact them. - And it's, look, I've been in a couple of events recently where they weren't rallies. They weren't from Palestinian events, but just kind of spontaneously or, you know, they start free Palestine chance. And I'm kind of like, it's a hot-button issue. - You look around, like, do I, you know, I might need to get out of here. My wife is like, relax, man. Like, relax, I know, that's the truth. That's the truth. (laughs) I watch you down new now. - Okay. - It's a relax, I know, come on. - I didn't say that. - It's a lot of fun. - We're gonna let that stay in place. Shame on you. - It's come through, okay? - Okay. - The rally's the Japanese. - Shame on you. - Well, yeah, I think the, yeah, yeah, I don't, I think there's probably a lot of people that share their sentiment, Chris. - Of course. - What do I know? - And this is the tricky thing 'cause even as we sit here and I'm like, trying to navigate this conversation, you're dealing with, at least, five witness, which is like two completely different knowledge sets on the internet, and both do not exist within the same reality. And some aren't even real, some are bots that are going to take this conversation and flip it bouncing. 100%. And every one of the countries that is, is views us as their opposition, or we view them as our opposition, is inflaming this controversy and this conversation in the worst possible way here, because it benefits them that we're more divided. But like, even as I try to navigate this, it's so, it's fruitless in a lot of ways, because when you have two completely different knowledge sets about what's happening, it's like, it's like debating history with two people that don't share the same version of history. Oh, absolutely. And so it's like, you want to have a, like, an open discourse about it, but simply presenting something in a way. Like, for you, you heard Free Palson and your brain, you're like, does that mean they want to kill me? Right. I'm sure there's people who hear the term Free Palson, they're like, hey, we just want them. What's the opposite of Free Palson in slave Palson? Nobody wants people to be enslaved. So why is this term so terrifying to you? Right? Like, why are you, why are you? Well, I think it's also interesting, because I'm someone who is very much against APEC and very much, you know, so politically, I'm even aligned with the sentiment. I think it's the energy. I think you get, they lose you when they stop having nuanced conversations. Right. When they just generalize all Jewish people and all the Asia. Sure. It's not, it's not even generalized conversation. It's like, people get lost when they're not even having the same conversation. And I'm telling you, trust me. And it's been like, absolutely demoralizing the last year, having conversations with people because I genuinely really enjoy doing it. But when I have conversations with people on different sides of the aisle that I genuinely respect and find intelligent, I go, wow, you guys are in two different worlds. Like, there's no way, there's no way even having this discourse publicly would be able to work because you wouldn't convince any of your consumers. People are retreating back to this very prime. And look, to be clear, I said what I- On both sides. I said what I said about free-palcent, some of my most absolutely frustrating conversations have been with other Jews who I considered rational, smart, nuanced people who were talking like fucking cavemen to me, you know, like I have a friend who's arguing, but like, well it's not technically genocide because in order for it to be genocide, you know, 13.4% of the population. And I'm like, do you hear what you're, you're like trying to parse this in percentage. It's 10 to thousands of if innocent. The fact that you're even taking the stance means that it's horribly wrong. We only got to get into language, yeah, I mean, it's like crazy that you're even trying this argument with me. 10 to thousands of babies are being killed, like that's it, like, that's it, like, it's like you have a technically the amount of percentage of Jews killed in October, seventh, represents, you know, I'm just like, I can't, I can't listen to this shit. Like, again, this is, this is one of these things where it's like, I promise you, even this very podcast, though the excerpts, people will hear exactly what they will clip it to their advantage. And people will monetize it and people will reaction, but this was a nuanced conversation. It always is on the brand is a nuanced conversation, they're all, we're, we're the most nuanced people out here. And that's why we're clip the most, yes, because we're actually willing to have conversations with people we might disagree with. Like, Zoran is a perfect example, unbelievably skilled, like so skilled, beautifully articulate and his ability to communicate. Do I disagree on certain, like, economic decisions that he's making, you know, for example, like, do I think freezing the rent actually hurts more people? Yes, but do I agree with him on the sentiment that like rent is crushing people and we need to do something to help it? I think the only thing that will actually help it in the long term is building more units. They're doing it. They're doing it. Well, they're technically doing it, but in order to actually do it, you're going to have to raise money. I mean, I don't want to get into it. And build me some middle class while you're at it. Well, no, no, of course, of course, I guess what I'm saying, like, again, in order to actually erect these structures, it's going to be difficult to require a lot of government money, which is going to require more taxes. If you want to do it in the private sector, you don't have incentive structure for it. If you're going to keep the rent low, again, I don't want to bore people with the details of this, but like, I've asked all my buddies and real estate, like, why don't we just build more units? Like, this is the greatest city in the world. Why can't we just get those up? Because to me, my fear is if you freeze rents for half the city, well, what kind of pressure does that put on the free market rents? These are frozen. Nobody's leaving those. So these over here are going to go way higher. That's basic economics. Even a dumb guy like me can understand that. You know, nothing I was thinking though, like, there really isn't too many places to build in New York. And I forgot what building it was recently that they were building something on cloth. It buckled. That's the one in midtown, yeah. That is the other problem with folks. I mean, just to, I guess to button that point is like, I agree, I agree with him on the ethos of it. And I felt this way about burning too. It's like, I agree with where your heart is on this issue. How we actually solve the issue, the prescription for that pain. Maybe we have disagreements on how to get there, but at least your heart is in the right place. But you know what I like about him? Some people's heart ain't even in the right place. Exactly. So it's like, exactly. Not only did he talk it, he's at least trying to walk. Yeah. You don't have to agree with the direction he's walking in. Well, boy, he's in there at least trying. He's doing something. Yeah. We don't know if that shit going to work or not, but he's trying. Look. Tell us they're going to do something, get in and don't even try. You'd be like, "Yo, what happened to that?" Yeah. Yeah, I heard, like, there was another one that, like, I heard come about and like, it was the Pieditare tax. Did you guys hear about that? So it's like, people that have, I'm not trying to get you. People have a second home in New York. They're not New Yorkers that got a second home, but someone from outside New York that got a second home in New York. And I think it was like, there was going to be a tax levied against it for any apartment that was worth more than-- I think 50. 5 million bucks or something like that. And I was like, that's a really interesting idea because there are probably all these people that have a second or third home in New York that now that home can't be rented by people who really need to create more-- we need to create more units. And here's an example of it's just going empty and like, at least, you know, benefit the city in some way. But here's the thing. It's like a 5 million dollar home. How many middle class are we working class people can afford to buy or rent a 5 million dollar home? That's your make it so they don't buy it in the first place because the big problem with New York bills is-- So Chris, real quick, just to-- for that point, so they don't buy it. And what? I know. But we can't even use-- You know what you're missing a point. You're missing a point. Russia and China and all these countries. Stash, who are liquid in those countries. Yeah, yeah. They're unstable countries. I know. It's so much safer to put it in American real estate and half the money is corrupt anyway. So hey, is it 5 million for that apartment? Sure. I'll pay that 10, 15. Yeah, yeah. It's artificially inflated the entire market, so it's a way to try to-- To do what? To make it slightly less attractive to those guys. Maybe they'll go put that one. But what does that do for the people who actually are suffering under the rent crisis in New York? You're right. Because the distance between whatever the market rate-- And I tell you what it actually does in actuality, what it does? What? Money is a very, very successful guy and he spends an exorbitant amount of money per month and rent. Once he heard about that period of terror attacks, he literally told his landlord, "You're going to have to take 30% off of my rent price." And then he goes, "What are you talking about?" He goes, "Nobody's going to for this because there's about to be 100, 200 units that enter the market right here at luxury levels." Exactly. So what it's doing is it's saving the wealthiest people in the city money, the wealthiest people who choose to rent that are in New York City because they're luxury places. Now if you did it for everything above $500,000, all of a sudden you would have all these middle-class units and even working-class units that would open up because now a guy who lives in San Francisco most of the year wouldn't keep an apartment in New York that he's only in three weekends as an investment property that someone's there, then those would enter the market. So at that point, I would be like, "Well, that's an interesting thing that's really going to create what we call liquidity in the market." I think you're focusing on the wrong thing because if you're trying to, "Hey, let's tax the rich, but we have no way of taxing them because they find ways to get around the tax," it's like, "Hey, this is something that's only going to affect the rich people and it will bring more money into the city." It's not about opening these apartments. So if it's not about opening the apartments, but finding a way to levy attacks against wealthy people, then that's totally fine. I think what I saw the marketing as is finding way to open more units. So what it does is effectively is it taxes those people, right, and the wealthy people. If they're willing to pay it, they pay the tax. If they're not willing to pay it, all it does is create luxury condos that are cheaper for the wealthiest people. So it's still whoever buys them eventually will have to pay that tax. So even if it goes to somebody else's. Not only if it's a pediatric. Like, if it's their second home, yes, they're about-- Only if it's their second home and you don't live in New York City. So this is a pretty example of, like, I agree with the ethos behind it. Like, I like it. I actually, there's a compelling thing there and they're trying to-- trying to figure things out and I give credit in that regard but the prescription for the problem, I don't know if it ends up helping the middle-class people and the working-class people, they're really being crushed by rent here because that's not a fucking joke like they are. - Let's see what happens. - Yeah. - That's all we can do. Let's do some asking itty, it's mine. - Yeah, one more. - One more what, mine. - Yeah, y'all ain't got no VIP in a minute, bro. I'm glad you got that VIP just now, y'all. - I'm so far from that. - No, this is VIP's acronym, they're really needing a politics, that's all. It's giving us some VIP, little bit. You got a little bit, you know, like, they're little bit. - You got to do it better. - What do you mean? - That's not a bit. - I think it's just following out the blue. - I got it. - Let's end the discussion. - We ain't fed, we ain't fed the fucking political blogs or whatever, you call them shit in a minute, political clippers. - What is ESPN? - What is that? - Fire, Ryan Clark, and. - Ryan Clark, he played Bart Scott, but they also fired like 150 people behind the scenes. The crazy thing about the ESPN thing, and I've been saying this all week, it's, I didn't, it didn't, the way it was done, the Ryan scenes, a bit strange, right, because he found out during the broadcast, but I was told. - Yes, that's. - But I was told it because it was about the leak. - That's, okay, so like, that's super fucked up. - Yes. - But I think the reason they did it is because. - It was about the leak. - Yeah, that's what they said, right? - And so they pulled them to the side to let him know, hey, this is what's going to happen, blah, blah, blah, blah, because they didn't want him to see it, I guess. - But to that, I would also say, like, tell him in the morning, like, what do you. - Where would the leak already? - He found out live on it. - No, I'm saying tell him before you came to work. - Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. - That's all for sure. - If I like, you didn't know, it was gonna happen, like, to me, it's still disrespectful. - And they leaked it to like, outkicking shit like that, like, because you know, they wanted that conservative audience to jump on them, like, it was, it was silly. But here's the beautiful thing. The pivot is popping. - Yep. - You know what I mean? Cam knew funky Friday, Cam knew the fourth one. Cam's only been to ESPN for two years. They went and grabbed Cam because Cam was so hot doing what he was doing outside of fucking ESPN. - I didn't even know Cam knew it was on ESPN. I thought he was doing his part. - He? - That's what I said. - But most of that stuff, man. - Exactly. You see most of Cam's stuff on his own platforms. If I was Ryan, me, Channing, and Fred, we together, every day, doing an hour sports and putting it up. And I'm still putting out my regular pivot episode every week. We're sitting down doing the interview. But me, Channing, and Fred, every day, once a day, doing an hour sports. I can do it on Zoom. I don't know if they all live in the same area. I don't know what it is, but they can get together and do an hour sports and put it out of the podcast every day. The pivot will take off even more. - I think the bigger question now is, that has been kind of avoided by the firings, is why is ESPN firing so many people? - Because everybody's gonna say what? - Well, well, yes. But like, the conversation is like, "Oh, Ryan was fired. What did he do to get fired?" And was he beefing with this? Was it because he said that, et cetera? - They fired 150 people behind the scenes. - I know, I know, I know. What I'm saying is, if I was a PR agency, I would want people pushing this story about why certain people got fired. So they're not talking about what may or may not be happening economically at the company that they got a fire 150 people. - ESPN does this like every year, so if it's a common thing, it's a common thing. I didn't know that they have that many. Did you know that? - No, I don't know. - I think it might have been one of the largest of late. But ESPN has a heavy layoff rate. They have a heavy layoff rate. - So if they do have a heavy layoff rate, then it's not even a really big story, because this is just what they do. - I think it's the way it happened to Ryan. In fact, that he was on air. - No, that is, that is the story. They told him on air. He doesn't finish the show. I think that's the reason that Ryan's situation took off. And, you know, a whole lot, I can read the statement that we got. Hold on, because they gave it to the briefing. - You shouldn't make people come to work to get fired. - That's not saying that, that's kind of unprofessional. How would you happen to them? - Don't make someone come to work to get fired. - Most. - Okay, job. This whole thing. - Oh, I like, yeah. - HR, is the volume in person? - This is one. This was handled with the least amount of respect and dignity. - Do it. What you're making them go to work? - Yes, I think he does work. - Comments that all of this makes sense. - This statement we got from Breakfast Club exclusive. That we broke this early this week. This was handled with the least amount of respect and dignity for a man who's worked his hard for a network as he has and been one of the faces. Head of ESPN, Burke Magnus had it leaked the outkick, as you know, who celebrated and rallied conservatives the poor on support to control the narrative. Blindsided him while he was on air. A company like Disney broke the news to that outlet and then told Ryan as he was on TV doing a break. Yet, they were posting his takes from all day still on social media while this was happening to get views. Yeah, it's not a money thing. They still have to pay him. We know why it is not because of his work. Ryan just won two Emmys this year to total four and three years for them. And to be let go during the show, he won an Emmy for and built and was on the top 25 media powerhouses and every list that exists for being the most impactful. - Some bullshit. He's gonna be fine though. Nah, but that's another thing that goes on in corporate America that people are talking about. All the major companies, they do that a lot. Like, they'll just, they'll over hire and they'll pay a lot for their employees so people want to work there like the Amazon's, like the Metas and all these places. But then they'll just go and just fire thousands of them. - That's the game, right? - That's the one that's paid. - Fucked up way for a lot of people. Like, there's no job security anymore. - That's why the best job security, especially when you're in media, is to have your own platform. - Yeah. - Have your own platform, okay? - Not everybody's front facing. - Well, shout out to the people for being front facing. Ryan has been front facing. Ryan can go anywhere and have a conversation and he got his own platform. Ryan will be fine. And he's still getting paid by ESPN. He's gonna be fine. All right, let's do some African-Americans. German underscore Liz Alde. What's the next big thing after podcasting? Nothing. Nothing? Nah, that's not true. I think podcasting is just gonna continue to evolve. Like, I think there's so many different ways to still do podcast. Like, I think that, you know, now, you see a lot more genres, other than just political podcasts coming out daily, right? And I think that the next thing you wanna see is some, it's gonna be live. Like, it's gonna be people doing their podcast live. Daily. It's people doing that now, you know? - Right. - And we're not really a podcast, we're a radio show, but yeah. - Yeah, but we're just saying. - I think the next thing that's gonna come from podcasting is you're gonna see a lot of this podcast talent get into other verticals. Meaning that, you know, what you saw with, you know, Theo Vaughn doing like bus boy or like, you know, Andrews and movies and stuff. But I'm talking about actual IP created because of the actual podcast. And, you know, the podcast talent. I think you're gonna, you're gonna see a lot more at that. I just think you're gonna see podcasting continue to grow and evolve because the talent in the podcast space is the talent. It's the talent that has these niche audiences, right? That these built in audiences that support what they do. And you're just gonna see those, that podcasting talent is being other spaces. That's what I think. - I think, I think you see television and film have an explosion. - Yeah. - And I think podcast talent. - Second. - Starring podcast. - Sure, I think not just podcast talent, but I think like, I think that like, I think that the big movie studios are now gonna race after every YouTuber that's got a following. - Oh yeah. - And I think they're gonna cut checks and get them to throw stuff out there. I think that they're gonna, so they're gonna look at IP differently. IP won't be like, oh, here's this comic book or here's this, whatever, it's novel. It's gonna be like, oh, here's this connection between creator and audience. - That's right. - I think they're gonna let them cook in that regard. I think from that, you're gonna see a lot new IP that starts to come out, IED obsessions in the back rooms. And I see you're gonna see that proliferate film. And I think you're gonna see movies, like when you go to the movie theater, become more epic adventures. So it's gonna be a Odyssey. It's gonna be an avatar. When you put a film in theaters, it's gonna be something that warrants being in a movie theater. - That's right. - If you've got a little fun little rom-com, that's gonna stream. If you have an experience that people, it, well, yeah, it has to be big. It doesn't have to be a fucking Formula One movie, but it doesn't have to be big like that. But it has to warrant the experience of going at the house, I think so. - 'Cause the session kind of shattered that myth. - Well, that might warrant it. - 'Cause the session based off what you're saying, we'll get these YouTube stars. We have this connection with their audience. - So for me, for example, like deep connectivity and like years of longing and waiting equate to successful movie. So if you have a super popular video game, for example, I'm a beginner street fighter, but it's like, okay, people waiting decades to see this. We hope they go out and see it in theater. That feels warranted. If this is a brand new story that you thought of and you're a writer that nobody knows and nobody's heard of you, but you're really talented, you make your movie and you put it on Apple. You make your movie and put it on Netflix. You make your movie and put it on Amazon. People can go find it. If you're an author and you've sold 20 million copies of your book and now they're gonna make a movie about it, put that shit in theater. You do have 20 million people dying to see what this fucking looks like. And I think that's how cinema and TV change. - And I'm gonna tell you something else, man. You know, everybody's been looking to see how like these, you know, all of these podcasts being on Netflix was going to impact the podcast in space. Edison Media Research put out the top 50 podcasts for quarter two in America. And I found this very interesting. The Bill Simmons podcast, surged 17 positions to break into the top 25 for the first time. And you know, Bill has been on Netflix since January. And Bill, not only comes on Netflix, he comes on live as well. Like, you know, Bill and Bill, what I thought his strategy was good too, because he comes on like, he would come on after all the big sporting events. So like Big NFL Playoff game, he come on talk about the Patriots, you know. Big NBA game, he come on and talk about the NBA finals. All of that has helped his actual audio podcast grow. Breakfast Club, we're number 11. We've always been like top 20, but we've never been as high as 11. - So it's helping you. - 100% because Breakfast Club is listed under the podcast, the department and the category at Netflix, people go search for the podcast for the audio as well. And it's helped everything grow. So yeah, man, the podcast and you say, what's the next big thing after podcasting? Podcasting is still becoming the next big thing, you know. - Yeah, yeah, it's in its infancy for sure. And then the change in affecting is different way. But in terms of like, in terms of TV film, this is what I was or specifically in terms of film, I think the days of a star actor opening up a movie, just because he's a star actor are done. - Oh, I agree. - The movie itself needs to be something that draws people, either through existing IP, through a novel that it's based on a video game. Like that needs to be the draw, or the director who's built up a track record of amazing quality movie. - You know, you wanna know how retarded I am? - Tell me. - I had no idea all those listeners in the Odyssey. - But you know, I wanted to, I wanted to see it 'cause it was Christopher Nolan and I'm in fucking Vegas. And my man had to, I'm like, I'm gonna see the Odyssey. And, and word of mouth. Because then one of my group chats on Friday, my dude Rob's with Rob Markman. Rob Markman was like, yo, the Odyssey was fire. Enough said. I'm a, I'm a movie guy anyway. I'm gonna see the Odyssey. I didn't look to see who was starin' in that shit. As I'm watching, I'm like, oh shit, this person in there. Oh, shit, this person. But I went 'cause it was Christopher Nolan. And somebody told me Christopher Nolan just put out another fire movie. I'm there, I'm there. - I think in the digital space, IRL streaming. I think that's the nice thing because it started with the kids. And now, adults are seeing how much money that's in this IRL streaming. And now, adults are starting to do it. And it's, I don't want the adults doing kid shit though. But that's the thing, it's going to become its thing where it's like, hey, maybe you can not have to crash out in order to watch people. But in this day where people are behind their phones or not getting out in real life, that's the only way that makes it feel like you're outside in real life talking to people, watching other people live their life. It's like reality TV, but really. And in this time where we're moving away from everything fake, everything AI, that's the realest it gets. - Yeah, I think that like, I think you're right. - Yeah, I think you're right. And this is, this is always the case. Like this is just the newest iteration of like the reality show. So like reality shows became popular because of how cookie cutter sitcoms were. So it's like, all these sitcoms are feeling the same. What happens when you just have people being with each other? Real world, what the fuck? All these other reality shows, holy shit. And then now that those reality shows are so popular, people are acting on those shows, right? So like they know what to do. I'm gonna be the villain. I'm gonna be the hero. I'm gonna be the nice guy. I'm gonna be the dick. So now we don't trust that. So we need something that feels more authentic. And now maybe streaming is that. But yeah, it's funny. I would never watch a stream. I love watching the clips. I watch clips from Adrian Broner and Dean DeGrey. All the time, I find them so fucking hilarious. And but would I ever sit down and watch a stream? No, but I'm also not. I don't even know when the stream. Yeah, exactly. It's not for me. I just get the clips. But it almost feels like the stream is a vehicle to make clips. And if you're filming for 12 hours straight, you're gonna get 10 clips for 30 seconds each that are funny. Bro, kick got it now. The kick of twitch, one of them got it now. All you gotta do is say, "Clip that." When you're alive, all you gotta do is say, "Clip that." And it'll clip whatever part. You know that? Yeah. The basic clips will last 30 seconds. And just, I don't know what time frame it is. You just say, "Clip that." The clip part shoots it right up as you're fucking streaming. You can't beat that. Yeah. There's a lot of kids at home. There's a lot of people with time. And so I'm telling you, these people are streaming all the time and they have thousands of people watching but any moment of time. Yeah. It's true, man. Um, Coward Bunga. No, no, no, no. I gotta go. Huh. All right. All right. We'll tell you what's there. Fuck it. We've got to get the fuck out of that. I love that. You think we're smart. You think we're intelligent. You think we're brilliant. Yeah, absolutely right. But if you listen to this podcast, I think we're just a couple of idiots. You don't know shit you're right too. It's the brilliant ideas podcast. Thank you for listening.