[MUSIC] You're listening to The Cyberwire Network, powered by N2K. [MUSIC] Welcome to Spycast, the official podcast of the International Spy Museum. I'm your host, Sasha Ingber, and each week I take you into the shadows of espionage, intelligence, and covert operations across the globe. For decades, Cuban intelligence has been seen as a force that punches above its weight. Shaped during the Cold War through cooperation with the Soviet Union, its intelligence officers received extensive training by the KGB. But where does its spy service stand today, especially as it faces pressure from Washington? Retired FBI Special Agent Peter Lap, who wrote "Queen of Cuba," came in to discuss Havana's capabilities, the Americans who spied for Cuba, and the Cubans who spied for us. Welcome, Pete. Good to see you again. It's always great to see you, Sasha. Thank you for having me. I appreciate it. So, let's get right down to it. What was it like being in the FBI, working counterintelligence, going after the Cubans? So real, and also kind of an experience where I didn't think that's what I was going to do in the FBI. My background was I was a cop outside of Philadelphia, and I was a criminal justice major. And I thought the FBI and its infinite wisdom would put me working the cold stuff, the gangs and drugs and homicides, and they said, "No, you're going to work Cuban counterintelligence." I had no idea what that was and what that meant. And I could find Cuba on a map barely, and that was about the extent of it. And I was, I actually say I was, when I got the assignment and got to the field office in DC in September of 1998, I was a little disgruntled to be honest with you, because I thought I wasn't working the cool stuff, yet the cool stuff is what has me sitting down here today, because if I didn't work the Cubans, I wouldn't be here. So life works out the way it's supposed to. Yeah, it was all relief so that you could sit down with SpyCat. 100%. So what was the learning curve, take us into just day to day, what it was like learning about what the Cubans were up to? The Cubans are a lot different than China and Russia. You know, Cuba is a small intelligence service. It's not big, but it's mighty. In my opinion, decompling a lot more than their numbers in terms of how many people they have working for. They've got a great ability to find individuals who aren't motivated by money and aren't Cuban by dissent, but have this visceral empathy for what Cuba is trying to accomplish, whether it's in Latin America or throughout the rest of the world. So they have a unique way of operating. The difficult part of getting to understand the Cubans was really focusing, in my opinion, not on the day-to-day activity of the intelligence office we were following, but the unsub investigations, the unknown subjects, the people that were later identified as Anomantas or the folks down in Miami. All of those cases were the core, in my opinion, part of the program, the Cuban program, that required a lot of focus and creativity, luck in trying to find some of these individuals. Because those were the core individuals that were inside our government, spying against us, trusted insiders, but who were actually loyal to the Cubans. That was the big learning curve that I had, and actually the real intriguing puzzle of trying to identify anyone of these individuals, these unsub, as we call them, and you know, with regards to Anomantas, we got lucky with one, and then subsequently several after that. And you actually broke into her home here in Washington. Legally. We had a corridor. Right. To make sure that we got the legal part. Right. But she didn't know you were doing it. Let's just say that. She did not know that you were walking in that door, and she had spied for Cuba for 17 years. She was recruited as a student, rose to the top position as Cuba analyst at the Defense Intelligence Agency. What was it like when you finally opened the door to her home? Oh, oh, so real. Like the cat burglar kind of thing. It was a pretty cool moment after the Piano Studio. I had, as a police officer, I had done some things where you were potentially going to get shot. And the adrenaline and the exhilaration of that is pretty significant. But when you have the key and you're sneaking in, I felt the adrenaline even higher because the possibility of getting caught either by a neighbor or she was in Miami at the time. And we had surveillance on her. So we knew she wasn't going to come home. But what if we put a book back the wrong way? And she knew that that book was in a certain way. So that kind of exhilaration. It was really pretty, pretty cool. And you're also not just going and sneaking around and just walking into her apartment. You're looking for elements of the intelligence craft that she was using and trying to prove that she was using. And what did you see when you finally stepped in the door? A lot of books. She was well read and she wasn't in pain for her espionage. So she lived pretty modestly, although I will say it was a very nice co-op building in Cleveland Park in a very nice neighborhood. Not too far from the national zoo. So if you come visit the zoo, you could go see Anamont's as his old home. But we spent a lot of time carefully, meticulously going through. We found her laptop computer under her bed the very first time we got into her apartment. And that was critical because we could prove that the Cubans had tasked her to purchase that exact computer. The irony is the computer should have been thrown in the bottom of the Potomac River. And if it had been, you're sitting down talking to somebody else today because she never would have went to prison. What did you find on it? And why do you think she hadn't thrown it out when she was in the hospital? And she hadn't thrown it out when she seemed to have been very careful. She was incredibly careful. She thought that everything on that computer was deleted. The Cubans gave her, as part of her covert communication plan and system. They gave her a decryption, encryption software. And then they also gave her a wipe software. Whether she didn't apply the wipe software correctly. Or the Cubans, their software wasn't very good. I don't know, but there was 11 pages of Spanish texts from her to the Cubans and from the Cubans to her. And in that, we found the conspiracy to communist bananas. We found national defense information. We found classified information. We found a special access program that belonged to the National Reconnaissance Office, the NRO, that operates all the spy satellites. And I call it the four sentences. Those four sentences could have been death penalty eligible evidence. That is a very classified program that she got access to this day to this day. Still hurting the NRO. Yeah, she was read into the program. And just the her telling the Cubans of the existence of the program was potentially death penalty eligible type evidence. Now, we're talking specifically about the directorate of intelligence, the DI. They received training from the KGB. How did the service evolve after the fall of the Soviet Union? And are there aspects of Cuban trade craft that other countries have copied? The Cubans did get a leg up with the relationship they had with the Soviet Union and KGB. I think they've gone well beyond that partially because the FBI does the counterintelligence for the United States. In the United States as the lead, the Cuban intelligence servers conducts counterintelligence on the island of Cuba against its own citizens like no other. And isn't restricted by the privacy and the First Amendment, the Fourth Amendment that the United States has that the FBI has to. It gets a lot of practice doing counterintelligence and intelligence. It gets its own people. And in my opinion, it's what's helped the regime stay in power for now almost 70 years or so. They do intelligence like no one else off the island in the United States and also in Cuba as well. Can you talk to me about some of the defectors that you interviewed in the course of writing this book about on a Montez? What did they tell you? So I had a chance to talk to three different defectors, only one of whom I'd actually talked to previously as part of when I was at the FBI. Fascinating stories and really you get a good impression of these were individuals that when they worked in Cuba for the Cuban intelligence services were treated very well as compared to your average Cuban. And these three individuals collectively just got really disgusted with the regime, the corruption within the Castro regime. For now the way he lived really started to discuss these individuals and they started seeing through the veil of communism and the veil of, you know, the regime and how that was so disgusting to now. So they started building grievances and then little by little they would provide the US intelligence community with information that ultimately helped us, you know, with punching back against the Cubans in a number of cases one of the reasons why they were in the US.
than being obviously Montez. And one of them actually had the opportunity to kill Fidel Castro. He had been a security officer who was traveling with Castro. Can you talk about more of that moment and why he ultimately didn't and whether he regretted it? He was down that grievance road. He knew he was going to defect at some point in time. He was, I believe he was already working with US intelligence. And the Cubans gave him a Smith and Wesson 45 caliber weapon to protect Fidel when Fidel went on a like a state visit to another country. He told me the story where Fidel had his entire bedroom shipped to this place that he was staying at so that he could get a good night's sleep. His mattress, his sheets, the whole thing. And he was just disgusted with this. Your average Cuban is living in poverty and Fidel needed his own bed and his will be in his night can and all that kind of stuff. He had close access to Fidel every night and he made the decision not to kill him because he knew that it would be essentially a death sentence for him. He told me he said nothing would have changed. The regime would have stayed in power. And history kind of proven him right when Fidel retires and Rail Castro takes over, nothing changed. So we say these things like why doesn't someone near this person just kill them? And it's like there's a human being that went out to pull that trigger and potentially be a death sentence themselves. Right. That's a sacrifice many would not be willing to make. When we come back, we look at Kendall Myers and Manuel Rocha, two other US government officials who spied for Cuba. In the modern AI enterprise, Adverse series no longer break in. They log in. As autonomous AI agents and machines gain privileged access, your risk is becoming invisible and legacy tools can't keep up. Introducing Ideera from Palo Alto Networks. 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Folks like Ambassador Rocha, folks like Kendall Myers were technically actually a higher priority. And we're talking about the US ambassador to Bolivia, Manuel Rocha, Kendall Myers, who worked at the State Department in the Bureau of Intelligence and Research and both spied for Cuba. Correct. Correct. So they gave us a lot of interesting information about where their priorities are, how they operate, would they pay a source or would they see that as being not really how their intelligence service operates. I mean, they're very frugal, but they also are very leery of a source like on it if they were to walk in and say, I'll do this for a million dollars like a Hanson or an Aldrich Ames. They would be very leery of that. You've got to have this visceral empathy with what Cuba is trying to accomplish. So when we think about where we are today, in May, CIA director John Rackliffe goes to the island and he actually meets with intelligence officials. What is the significance of that? It's interesting. I was thinking about that because former director of Central Intelligence Bill Burns under the Biden administration did a lot of diplomatic type meetings involving Ukraine and Russia. So my sense is that with Secretary Rubio being a little busy with one of his two jobs, it made sense that the administration would send Rackliffe to have this meeting. We know that the relationship with Cuba and Venezuela between both the governments and the intelligence services was very strong. So sending a strong message that we know that Cuban intelligence is very involved with the Cuban government sends a strong message to them. I don't know if there's an intelligence message versus more of a diplomatic message, if you will. I think that sending someone of that prominence sent a strong message probably to the Cubans that there's a seriousness that this administration has with seeing change in Cuba. So essentially a warning? I would say a warning. Yeah, I would say a strong warning. I think the other thing that was really interesting, the United States brought ahead of the military part of the law enforcement mission in Venezuela, that killed 32, I believe, Cuban military individuals who were supporting Venezuela. And they specifically introduced him as that guy who helped kill 32 of your people. Another pretty strong message, if you will. Now who leads the directorative intelligence now? They're very secretive about their leadership within the Cuban intelligence service, although it's kind of funny. Some of the individuals that I had seen or actually had investigations on in the past are on Facebook. I honestly don't know a lot about the head of Cuban intelligence. I do know that it's a person of significant trust. I mean, they put a lot of trust into those positions. They're highly, highly trusted. So with Cuba's weakened economy with President Trump's oil blockade with the economic sanctions, is Cuban intelligence still something to take very seriously today? And has it changed their capabilities and priorities that they are suffering on another level, a deeper level because of Washington? Yeah. My complaint against multi-administrations is that we put a lot of focus on China and Russia. And we've forgotten about Cuba. We don't appreciate it. We don't respect it. And Cuba has utilized that to fly under the radar, to be able to accomplish things from an intelligence perspective because there's not the same emphasis that the FBI, the CIA, the intelligence community has put against as compared to Russia and China. Is Cuba weakened currently? Yes. Does that mean that their intelligence service is weakened? I would not say so. I would think that folks that are cooperating currently within our government who have a dual loyalty, who are agents of the Cuba intelligence service, are probably ramping up what they're doing and trying to provide as much help as they can to Cuba as they probably see like Anna did. This United States is big country picking on this little island and probably seeing an imbalance of resources and magnitude and all that kind of stuff. So I think that they're probably ramped up quite a bit right now from an intelligence perspective against our country. So let's talk more about what that would look like. If we're talking retaliation or something else. And I think it's worth noting that as you and I have discussed, the Cubans operate very strongly out of New York where they have their diplomatic mission to the UN, as well as Florida, where there is a large portion of their diaspora. So what does this look like to you? I have no doubt that our government is still penetrated by the Cuban intelligence service. I can all be guaranteed that our agents working for them amongst us. So I would say that those two places are probably still significant from an intelligence perspective. Cubans intelligence services don't change over time very quickly. And I think back to Anna where they were as high tech as they were in that age, I mean, it's been 25 years since she was arrested. And when the folks in Miami were arrested in 1998, instead of going to the next generation of covert communication, like let's go to the new stuff. They went backwards to basically using chalk and butter.
rush passes and like the old school intelligence stuff. So I would say that that's probably still the way it is today. I doubt the Cuban intelligence services using AI. You know, maybe they're using deep fakes and all that kind of stuff that other folks are using, but I don't think they've reached to that next generation of technology and starting to use that as part of their handling. They're kind of an old school intelligence service and they know it's worked in the past. So they're comfortable with that versus, you know, the new stuff, if you will. That's my impression. We saw this Axios article that said that there was intelligence that Cuba had hundreds of drones that could be launched at the United States, weaponized drones. Yeah. Unlikely, you have to consider it as a possibility, but I just don't see them right now doing something. They're not dumb. And that would be an incredibly dumb act that this administration I don't think would would just let go by. What about the networks of illegals? I'm thinking about the WASP network in Miami that involved many Cuban spies who tried to infiltrate the US Southern Command headquarters. They were indicted in the 90s. Yeah. I mean, their intelligence, their illegal program is phenomenal. Any country's illegal program is their crown jewel. So what makes their program phenomenal? It's kind of funny. You know, watching the Americans, right? That TV series was very realistic on the the legal operations of many countries. The legals are very difficult for the FBI to get onto. The illegals, they're like ghosts because they blend in. They're next to their neighbor. They maybe work as a janitor somewhere, but they have flexibility where they can come and do brush passes and have lunch meetings with Anna and clear dead drops and do all that kind of work. It's very difficult to uncover an illegal network. And these are people who memorized fake life stories. They took on separate jobs. They lived in meager ways as far as I can understand. Can you say more about them? They're intelligence officers who are here illegally. So there are intelligence officers who are here legally. They're recognized by the State Department because they're assigned to the Cuban Embassy or the Cuban mission to the UN, for example. The illegals don't have diplomatic immunity. So the WASP network intelligence officers who were here illegally who infiltrated through themselves and through agents, the Cuban American community, spying on them, and also spying on military bases down in South Florida areas that would have had oversight of some kind of invasion of Cuba if the president had ever said go. So a critical network for Cuba in a very critical spot in South Florida. If we continue on this idea of a potential response by the Cubans to what the United States has done will do, Cuba also offers proximity to our adversaries, namely China and Russia. And that is particularly important when it comes to signal intelligence. China has several listening stations on the island. The Russians have Lord Ace, which is a complex that reportedly, according to the insider of publication, said is now a hub for Russian intelligence personnel. Again, after having been used by the Soviets, do you see the Cubans leveraging that somehow? Oh, absolutely. They've always bartered intelligence. It's part of what has kept the regime in power for all these years. They collected human intelligence through like a Montez. They're helping with signals intelligence of other groups, whether there's a quid pro quo of cash or oil or food or whatever. Sometimes it's been influence because they want regional influence, but other reasons too. So yeah, I think they're definitely cooperating with those folks that are traditionally adversarial to the United States. It's just the way they've been for 70 plus years. And the intelligence sharing between these three countries? It's significant. The National Reconnaissance Office Special Access Program that we talked about, that would have impacted Cuba a little bit from a defensive perspective. Like, okay, if we could figure out where that satellite is, does that help us? Huge asset to China, Russia, Iran. So that was a chip they absolutely played and gave to other intelligence services. So they've always bartered intelligence and traded it and shared it with you know, folks that are like mine to them. What about the intelligence officers who are posted outside of the United States? We know that in years past, they supported leftist movements. What are your thoughts on what they could be doing today? Department M1 is the United States. M2 is Latin America. So chose to me that the Latin American region is their second top priority. I would argue that they're probably spending a lot of time in Latin America working with leftist governments trying to keep them propped up and keep them supporting them. I mean, could they be recruiting Americans that are assigned, you know, stationed in Latin America with the State Department that possibly they could be targeting? But my thinking is that they're probably more aligned with helping them and their governments stay afloat to keep that part of their government, the leftist part of the government in power, if you will. Would they have the resources to do that right now with the blockade? It would be limited. There is a finite, any intelligence service has a finite amount of resources and Cuba is no different. There's a limited amount of resources that they have to spend time in Latin America and really be productive, you know, to be honest with you. I think the United States is their top priority still and I'm sure that they're putting the vast majority of their resources against us. What would the tertiary priority be if US is number one, Latin America is two? I mean, they targeted one of the defectors I talked to. He targeted industrial information trade secrets that belonged to whoever the United States yes, but other countries Germany and he was active in trying to steal trade secrets to provide that back to Cuban industry or the Cuba could provide to other countries to see if they could commercialize and and make something out of it. They were absolutely very focused on industrial espionage as well. Taking a cue from the Chinese there. Well, I would say the Chinese maybe took a cue from them to be honest with you because they were doing these types of operations as far back as the 80s and I don't know that China was really that advanced at that point time in targeting trade secrets. I feel like that came a little bit later. Now again, I don't know if they learned from the Cubans or they organically developed this capability, but you know, Cuba just didn't target American class fine information. They also target trade secrets. And another prominent spy beyond Anamonte's was Kendall Myers. He just passed away in prison in May. He came from an incredibly elite family with Alexander Graham Bell who had invented the telephone and Gilbert Grovener who is the editor of National Geographic. And from a previous spy cast interview from someone who had been involved in that investigation, I learned that he had even been approached by the East German Stasi and chose to spy for Cuba instead doing this at the State Department in their intelligence and research unit. Is there more that you can share about Myers from your perspective? It was a really interesting investigation. I had a small role in it. I actually handed the case off to an agent who inherited it when it was an unsub case. We were trying to figure out who he was. There was medical information that was part of our intelligence. We knew that the person's partner had a tumor. Kendall's a really interesting individual because when he's arrested, he's brought into a hotel room where I'm sitting there. And I said, hi, I'm Pete. I was part of the team that are I said, Ana, I know everything about you. So your time right now is limited because if you have actionable intelligence, your value to us and to you ends when you make your first appearance, which is going to be about two hours in front of a judge because then the media is going to be there and they'll find out about it. Now's your chance. And he said, I don't have if I had anything actionable, I would give it to you. So it showed to me that he had a desire to help himself out in the moment, you know, having his worst moment ever, but didn't have any information that that could help him. And operation was really, really fascinating to watch because they did what's called a false flag where we had a Cuban walk up to him on his birthday outside of the school he was teaching at SICE. John Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies. Yeah, here in DC. Used to be on Massachusetts Avenue. We have walking out of class any undercover Cuban. Handed him a Cuban cigar on his birthday and said on behalf of your friends, we want to wish you a happy birthday. And we like to talk. And he was like, oh, because he hadn't been in touch with them in years. He called his wife and said,
said, we have a meeting. Since she said, is it mandatory? And he said, yes. - Right, he supposedly told this undercover FBI agent, we've really missed you. And I mean, he even went on to say that, the Cubans have been a really important part of our lives and quote, we have felt incomplete. Did you really believe that he didn't have anything he could share? Because it sounds like he was deeply, deeply loyal to them. - Yeah, I did, but he's thinking of his wife in that moment. Her health had been an issue, but it shows, and I like to say this about the Cubans, because I think compared to the Russians who find kind of slimy individuals, people are just in it for the money. Cubans find people that have a higher moral calling. I mean, they're committing the same crime. They're both committing espionage, but they're doing it for what they see is moral reasons. I'm not justifying it, but I'm saying that they at least had a belief that what they are doing is right. I wouldn't say Robert Hansen and Aldrich Ames ever thought that what they were doing was right. They were getting paid money by the Russians. So I think that, you know, that reaction to us when we kind of call call them, obviously we weren't really us. We were, you know, disguising who we were to a degree, but they did miss that part of their life and that part of helping and being a part of that visceral empathy for what Cuba in their mind stands for. Like, well, if you support the regime, then I also have to support how they oppress their people, how they oppress the freedom of speech and religion of all these other things that we take for granted. Mr. Descendant of the Bell Telephone, you know, you're living well, and you can, you have this freedom of speech and you're supporting people that don't allow their own people to protest and do the things that you can do. It's just that dichotomy is just really hard to grasp for me. - So when we think about the fact that the Cubans are good at recruiting on that sort of idealistic level where you may believe that you're supporting these people who have been so repressed by the evil United States, do you think that they might be trying to leverage animosity that some people hold toward the Trump administration, which certainly has its critics? - Absolutely. I, you know, you go back to mice, money, ideology, coercion, ego, there's, they've added the R for revenge. Anna is often seen as an ideological spy. I think she's more of a revenge. And her attitude was how dare the United States dictate how Cuba should run itself. That's up to the Cuban people. In keeping in line with whether or not Cuban intelligence would try to somehow contort feelings on the Trump administration and its policies toward Cuba, can we also talk about former career diplomat and U.S. ambassador to Bolivia, manual Rocha, who had spied for Cuba for about 40 years? As part of his cover, he purported to be this quote-unquote right wing person. He spoke highly of President Trump. How does that play into this? - I think deception, you know, providing a cover that would make people, if they suspected him, maybe be skeptical, like how could he be working with the Cubans if he's so, you know, staunch, Republican staunch, you know, right wing kind of anti-cashro kind of person. I think it was probably just more of a deception, frankly, covering for what he was really doing and what his real beliefs were. - And interesting that that would be his choice to make it seem like he was in line with the Trump administration. Earlier in this conversation, you had referred to three Cuban defectors. Can you talk more about who they were and what they shared with you in terms of exposing spies here in the United States? And how much the Cubans really have to worry about infiltration? - Well, just like we have to worry about, you know, folks that are the insider threat that are cooperating with Cuba. They have to worry too. Frankly, you know, going back to that meeting between Ratcliffe and his, you know, peer in the Cuban intelligence service, one of my big wonders is whether the administration will say, in order for there to be regime chain, we need this. And also we'd like the CIA and the FBI to come into your file room and take a look around and see who's been working for you within us. - Wouldn't they have to be crazy to say yes? - Well, you know, it depends on, you know, part of the, what's on the table? What, you know, in terms of the whole bigger picture of diplomatic, you know, negotiations. There's precedent in history for that kind of activity. And that's where I would say, if you're currently working with Cuban intelligence in our government, I would not consider yourself safe, frankly, because what I put it past the Cubans to provide your names as part of this diplomatic thing that's going on right now, no, it wouldn't, you know, when they're at a point of trying to just survive, what the Cubans do need to worry about, you know, even though their intelligence officers in Havana are well treated, they're all going through blackouts and oil issues and food issues. I mean, the economy and what's going on in Cuba, sure the regime and those that are supporting it are protected to a degree. I have no doubt they're making some, some comfort of living type sacrifices. And the more they become disgruntled, the more the possibility is that they start working with US intelligence. And can you talk about the defectors who had their own fascinating stories? We should look at them as American heroes. They really are heroes. And the Cubans look at them as traders. Two of the three escaped on a raft, a dinghy, not even a raft. I mean, had a seven and a half horsepower outboard engine, five gallons of water, five gallons of gas, and they didn't need the gas because about two hours into their escape, the engine stopped working. And they literally just drifted in the Florida streets, dodging Cuban coast guard boats. They actually saw an American coast guard boat, but they couldn't wave and get their attention. And they were finally rescued by American fishermen out of Marathon Key, Florida. And they've been living free and free and helpful lives ever since. But these guys are really American heroes. You'll never know their name. You'll never know who they truly are, but they've provided so much help to the FBI and the intelligence community. And a heroine journey to be sure. What about the third guy? Well, the third guy was in Russia at the time. He comes back from Russia and his buddies are gone. And that's how they had his OO crap moment. The Cubans eventually arrested him and convicted him of espionage and sentenced him to life. His father had been a high ranking Cuban intelligence officer, which is why I think they spared him his life. That guy was exchanged in 2014 when during a spy swap, during the Obama administration. These defectors have provided valuable intelligence on Cuba. But what questions do you still have? Who's currently committing espionage in our government for Cuba? I mean, it's a $64,000 question. Who is currently still in place potentially damaging our national security? And that's a question only a select few within the Cuban intelligence service can answer. Even today, even though I'm retired now for six years, I'd love to know who's currently in our government. Who's not loyal to us, but loyal to Cuba. Pete, thank you so much for your time. 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