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What's up fam? I'm sports journalist Ari Chambers. Hey, what's up y'all? It's your girl Sam J. And we're the host of Everyone Watches Women's Sports, a new podcast from Together in I Heart Women's Sports. We're breaking down the biggest headlines. Naomi Osaka showing out. Shout-out to you now. The viral moments. Out of the obsessed with Koshan Rock's boxing journey. She looks good. Her combos are swift. The stories everyone's talking about across women's sports. Because everyone watches women's sports. Listen to everyone watches women's sports. On the I Heart radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. I'm Nick Terturo. You probably know me from NYPD Blue, the longest shot, or Spike Lee's Black Plansman. And on my new podcast, Delivering Happiness with Nick Terturo, I deliver pizza to a new guest. I've shared a slice with everyone from Seth Rollins. What are you doing, my belt? To Bill Burr. I don't think I've ever met somebody so exactly out of their mind this I am. And now we even have more great guests coming up, including the great John Terturo. Let's go with happiness. Delivering Happiness. And many, many more. Open your free I Heart radio app. Search Delivering Happiness with Nick Terturo. And listen now. This series includes sensitive and potentially distressing topics, including sexual assault and abuse involving children. Listen to discretion is advised. In the fall of 2016, Anthony DePippa walked out of court a free man. After decades in prison for the murder of Joseph Wright, he'd been found not guilty of all charges in that crime. Second degree murder. Aquated. First degree rape. Aquated. It was his third and final trial on those charges. But this was the first Putnam jury to hear the truth. The truth about the criminal misconduct of the cops who'd framed Anthony and his best friend Andy for murder. The truth about the teens, those Putnam cops coerced and falsely accusing the two boys. And the truth about the man who should have been there to target. The devil in the woods. Howard Gombard. On the day of his acquittal Anthony felt, "Well, it doesn't differ in things." Yes, he'd climb the mountain who was free to go home now. But home was a place that a demonized him and would never let him know a moment's peace. Andy, meanwhile, was still rotting in prison. Would have to fight his own way home. And then there was Gombard. Gombard, you'll recall, was in prison himself, doing a 30-year bid from multiple charges, including sexual assault on seven-year-old Sarah. But for Gombard, the 30 years will only be 27, after which you'll walk at a prison of free man. As I take these words, that moment is close at hand. In the past few months, the DOC has advanced the date of his release. Currently, he's set to leave prison in January of 27. And when Connecticut cuts and lose, it'll be with no parole. And Gombard will be free to simply vanish, unseen. To go back to that tent in the woods, if he likes. And there he'll wait, brooding and see the, till a time and place of his choosing. Do we hear my madness? After I raise my fears, sorrows depths are endless. This valley of the years. I want to see your revelation. I want to know who you are. I'm reaching out in desperation. To the one who's holding the stars. To the one who's holding. And I'll be the stars. This is the devil's quarry. By now you've surely grappled with a question that's haunted me since I first reported this story. Why didn't multiple police departments in Putnam County give Gombard a whole pass? Either by ignoring or destroying piles of evidence that went in his direction. Mark Agniff love the lawyer acquitted Anthony. Is haunted by those questions, too. I've never gotten to the bottom of why Castaldo didn't investigate Gombard. And that's the great unanswered question in the case. They really bent over backwards to try to make this case against Anthony and Andy. And Gombard, whose alive suspect right under their nose, they have no interest in making that case. And I don't know why. Of the many Putnam cops who were corrupt or incompetent, it was Castaldo who ran the Joe Zett case. What on earth was he thinking when he'd steered away from Gombard? That was the question on Anthony's mind after his acquittal in 2016. He filed a federal lawsuit against Castaldo and his cronies seeking millions and reparations for years in prison and a generous heaping of revenge. In post-conviction lawsuits, the state or county often stalls. Delaying in hopes the plaintiff settles cheaply. Putnam County seems to have tried that. They made Anthony wait for three years for a resolution. But a civil lawyer Nick Bruston used that time well. He went after those cops again and again in pretrial depositions. And when he got them in the chair, he'd sweat them for hours. First up in the hot seat was Bill Quick, Castaldo's partner. Straight from the gate, Quick conceded the obvious that he never looked at anyone but Anthony and Andy for the murder of Joe Zett. Our mandate was to continue with the investigation that we were doing. Okay. And we were investigating Anthony and the Pippo and Andy Creeback at that time. Besides, he claims there were colleagues on a squad looking at other suspects. I take it, you understood that one of the suspects that they were looking at presumably was Comfort. Yes. You mentioned suspects. I think you said plural. Was it just Comfort? Was there other people? I think it was just Comfort. And who were the other officers that were investigating the other suspects? I have no idea. To repeat, Quicksess is no idea. So, all right. So during the course of your to your investigation, you never learned who with anybody was investigating other suspects. No. All right. Were you curious as to what the other investigation was uncovering and who was doing it? We were told to stay on point with this investigation and do not get involved with that investigation. Something happened with that investigation that would impact on our investigation. We would be notified. Okay. But you were never curious enough to say, hey guys, what's going on at the Comfort investigation? Are you guys doing it? That never happened. Introduction. Not that I can remember. No. You were at the dark by what they were doing. Basically, we stayed in the dark with it. We were told to do this. We were told we were going to direct the order. Okay. Do not get involved with this. It will mess up your focus on this investigation. Alas, that's not what his colleagues told Bruston under oath. Two of them had gathered stacks of evidence incriminating Howard Gombard and given every scrap of that evidence to back to stall now. What else did those other cops admit to Bruston? That of course Howard Gombard was a suspect in Joseph's murder. That of course they knew he raped young girls. Everyone in the office this new that they said. Next got into lion's den, Castaldo, Brustin went at him for days under oath. Here's Castaldo dodging questions about that other investigation, the one that built quick described. So you certainly you agree with Quack that you did not conduct any investigation into Gompert after he became a person of interest, correct? That would be done by other people. You agree with that? Yes, sir. You do disagree with that. You think you were free to investigate Gompert if you thought that would be appropriate? I was, wasn't told not to, that's their question. Okay. So your decision not to investigate Gompert, the decision not to conduct any investigation into Gompert was your decision, correct? The direction. Wasn't a decision. I wasn't in, I was looking into other people. And what didn't he look into how we're Gompert? He wasn't in the line of investigation where we would look into that information we got. Gompert was not in the picture. You ruled out Gompert as being involved in this case. So in the information we received, yes, sir. But again, why? On that he repeatedly gave no answer, except to say that Gompert was considered cleared. Over months of deposition, Brustin caught Castaldo in quick in one contradiction after another. Then he went after the DA's office. He found proof of witness tampering that stretched back a decade and what I can only describe as brazen acts of perjury by the current deputy DA. Suddenly the county was desperate to settle. In days, it's offered Anthony jump from a quarter million dollars to 12 million bucks, payable immediately. Though he promised himself he wouldn't stop grinding until he'd gotten the truth about Gompert. Anthony had gone as far as he could. He badly needed the money and the chance to start over. To pull up stakes and get far, far away from this misbegotten place. And so in the summer of 2020, he settled with Putnam County. But before he left town, he turned over every friely had a Putnam County to me. For years, I had to be, I was the chief investigator telling these guys what we need to do and why we need to do it. And now I, to take, I don't want to say I take a back seat because I am going to be very proactive here. I don't feel like the weight of the world is on me. In the sense, like the heart of what I was doing for so many years is Paul's heart now. In the course of our investigation, we filed a FOIL request with the Putnam Sheriff's Records Division. We want all the Sheriff's records on Howard Gompert, dating back to the early 80s. But the clerk resisted until we got our lawyers involved, then currently informed us that the records on this person were destroyed. They didn't say how. So now we still don't know why the cops excluded Gompert as a suspect in Joseph's murder. But I'm going to take a minute here to sketch some of the evidence Castaldo had in his possession. Let's start with Joseph's family. The day the Putnam cops found her bones, they broke the awful news to her mom's Susan. In the first words out of Susan Wright's mouth, as recorded by the cops on the scene, "Oh my God, Howard Gompert killed my daughter." Then those cops interviewed Joseph's sister Chloe. She told the cops that Gompert had raped her classmate Rachel R. And that Gompert was at Rachel's place a lot when Joseph was over there. We know that those cops passed those facts on to Castaldo. Along with the fact that Gompert had offered Joseph a babysitting job, just weeks before she went missing. We know that Gompert's previous babysitter, Amy Ferranda, had just been raped by a man matching Gompert's description. And that Amy, then 17, looked a lot like Joseph. Tall, blonde and beautiful. We also know that Gompert lived close to Amy. In fact, right around the corner from her house. And that he knew about her sneaking out late at night to meet her boyfriend. He knew that because she'd naively let it slip to Gompert. We know that on the day Joseph disappeared October 3rd, 1994, she was seen getting into a red car with Connecticut plates. We know from Gompert's girlfriend Ann Marie that she owned the red and black car with Connecticut plates. We know that Gompert drove that car all the time. We know he admitted giving Joseph a ride. On or about the day she vanished in that car. But there's more, much more Castaldo had to have known. He knew about Gompert's criminal MO, the hunting knife he always carry. The elaborate rope knots he tied, the underwear in his victim's mouths. The obsession with a particular kind of child. Tall, pretty blonde girls. Preferably pre-pubescent. In short, the exact presentation found in Joseph Wright's remains. Five years ago, I made countless attempts to question Pack Castaldo. He retired by then, so I tried his home phone in Vane. I asked the Sheriff's Office in the Putnam DA to forward my questions to him. Nothing. Did all my efforts to reach any Putnam cops who had dealings with Howard Gompert? I called the carmo PD who'd been looking at Gompert hard for the disappearance of a second young girl. I called the Ken PD who'd botched the Amy for and a rape case. Then tossed the forensic evidence in the trash. I tried the Putnam Sheriff's Office hoping someone would pick up there. By now, you can guess how that turned out. And so with no one left to ask, I went to the source. In the summer of 21, I found Gompert in prison, which follows after the break, or taped excerpts of those calls. What's up, fam? Hey, what's up, y'all? It's your girl, Sam J. And we're the host of Everyone Watchers Women's Sports, a new podcast from Together and I Heart Women's Sports. Because let's be real. 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What are you doing on the belt? To Alex Rodriguez. Just let you people know we're talking to one of the goats here. To Bill Burr. I don't think I've ever met somebody so exactly out of their mind as I am. And now we even have more great guests coming up, including the great John Tutorial. Let's go to happiness, Delivering Happiness. Mariano Rivera. Dig in, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. And many, many more. Open your free iHeart Radio app. Search Delivering Happiness with Nick Tutorial. And listen now. [MUSIC] That's the voice of Gumbart himself saying he's fine talking to me. With a guy like Gumbart you don't barge right in. You work your way up to what you want. And so I started not by asking about Joe Zett but about a surviving female accusers. Here he is on his ex-girlfriend Anne Marie. The girl he impregnated when she was 16 and was then charged with years of rapes. Hey, that wasn't an argument before eating her. Did I fart? I'm not certainly good. Did I eat her? Absolutely. No. Did you satamize her again, Mr. Will? No, we never had that kind of. Did you choke her? Did I ever grab her by her neck? I'm not complete. That's Gumbart saying he probably grabbed her by the neck. Did you choke her till she passed down? No, absolutely. She said she did. I asked him about Colleen. His first victim so far as we know. She said she was 12 when she reported him to the cops in the early 80s. How about Colleen Corusell? What about her? When did you start having sex with her? I don't know. I was 15 years old. That's Gumbart saying he was 15 at the time. Right. She was 11. No, she wasn't. What was she? I was here the year two younger than me. No, she wasn't. Oh, the kid. Oh, the fucking kid. I don't remember. I remember all the way. I remember 18. For the record, Colleen is almost exactly four years younger than Gumbart. So if he started having sex with her at age 15, that would make her 11 then. Then I turned to Rachel, who was eight when he moved in with, and began raping both Rachel and her mom. I asked him if he'd raped and beat her repeatedly between the ages of eight and 13. Did you choke till she passed out? No, I've never been late to Hannah. Did you rape her when she was 18 and living in Pauling? If we're being in being her, I have sex on several occasions. If you dare feel bad and then Pauling him. I'm sorry. You say you did have sex with her on several occasions? Several occasions would be quite the fairfield and on. It would come to my father's house. He says they had sex on several occasions at his father's house, but for the record Rachel was in middle school when she accused him of rape. Howard, why are all these women giving chapter in verse? Women who, by the way, don't know each other. They're all telling the same story about you. Your ammo never varies. People with these stories are not even getting all this, but actually talk to the people of the community. That's Gombard saying that the basis for these accusations was Anthony and his lawyers or more to the point Anthony stepped at Big Alhari who, according to Gombard, bribed those girls to falsely accuse him of rape. The problem with his claim is that Colleen came forward when Anthony was four years old. And Rachel came forward when Anthony was around 12 and so on down the line. Meanwhile, I went through my list of victims till I came to Joe's at right. The thing to know this is that I heard all these stories of these close-up meetings. You know Joe's dead. Yeah, this funny, I'll bow down to this you said until the people's family's money started falling. Before my calls with Gombard and there were several back-to-back, I'd had a talk with myself in the mirror. Don't go in hot, derives to the bait, just let the man speak and hang himself. But at that point, I blew my stack. Howard, the point of this story is that you obviously killed Joe's at. You have done. How did I. how did I kill Joe? How did I kill him? I'm sorry, you met her once? Is that what you're saying? You met her once? I've got five witnesses who said you met her repeatedly. And then I slammed down the phone. But the oddest thing happened after my story ran. Gombard wrote me from prison. Big fat letters. And there in those letters were multiple admissions of crimes he committed or intended to when he got there. He admitted, for instance, to having sex with Rachel while she was under rage. He admitted to filming her and taking snaps of her naked. But Gombard didn't stop there. To this day, he goes on writing letters to my co-producers. He offers a self-incrimination we hadn't even asked for. He writes about Amy Faranda, the former babysitter who said Gombard raped her shortly before Joe's advantage. Gombard tells us he'd been with her on the night of the rape. Till that letter, we'd had only Amy's word that she and Gombard knew each other. Now he both confirmed it and walked us right up to the night of the rape. Here are a couple of excerpts from those letters. They're read by my colleague Rob. I knew her very well. In fact, it had been with her earlier the night she was attacked and with her afterwards. I was with her for a bit sometime around or after 7pm before the assault. To be honest, I'm only guessing it was so long ago. She stopped by in her way home. She was going to come by later too. She would stop by late at night often on the way to see a boyfriend. She did not show up later that night. I believe that it was a day or so later when I next saw her. And she told me what happened to her. But the most disturbing thing he said they were as threats to surviving victims. He named them one by one. Said he was going to confront them when he got out of prison. I can't wait for the day that I see Rachel. My life is totally fucked even if the truth comes out and I'm released. Being Rachel I've already had to talk about her and all her lies and half-truths. So she already knows what she has coming. But for now, I'm debating just how I should destroy her life as she's trying to do to mine. I think it'll just start by proving her to be lying where she is. It couldn't be any clearer that he's been done vengeance when he gets out of prison. What's up fam? And we're the host of everyone watches Women's Sports, a new podcast from Together and I Heart Women Sports. Because let's be real, Women's Sports is giving us way too much to talk about these days. So Kelsey Finler, she became the first female solo rower to go from California to Hawaii. Naomi Osaka showing out, she beat, Savalinka. You get the palm Naomi, you get the palm for that. On the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcast or wherever you get your podcast. This is Chelsea Hamler from Dear Chelsea. Every week, the news gets worse. The world gets crazier. 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Like how the story of the Foo Fighters and Dave Grohl isn't just about music. Imagine that. You're in the biggest band on the planet as Dave Grohl is. was in 1994 in Nirvana. In the phone rings, and you learn that you're singer, your friend, the reluctant voice of a generation, Kurt Cobain, is dead. This is a story of fame, pressure, friendship, and the weight of fulfilling your destiny. Learn more about the moment everything changed. Discretsland is part of the exactly right network. Listen to new episodes every Tuesday, bonus episodes Thursday and rewinds on Sunday on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Several months ago we went back to Rachel's We Woundown, our reporting on this series. Rachel's in her 40s now, a single mom of grown children. She's worked service sector jobs since her teens to support them and has never known a life without struggle. But she's one of those moms who support everything she had in her raising and loving those kids. She's always on FaceTime with one or another. She needs to see them as well as hear them. And somehow she's managed to carve out space from mindfulness and peace. Her house is a sanctuary of books and plush fabrics and spiritual reliquaries. It's clear she spent decades healing herself in this come a far distance on her own. But this is when we learn we weren't the only ones Gombart wrote too. A few years ago Rachel got a letter in the mail. She didn't have to read the return address to know who written it. She could feel that in her glands. This son of a bitch is in jail. How did he find out where I currently am? That letter needless to say was from Gombart. I don't know what voodoo he had in that letter or and I'm saying that because I literally lost my mind. Rachel described that to our reporter Kathleen. What is losing your mind look like in that moment? What what happened? It was after the letter and I was cleaning out my house of like trying to you know that's part of healing. Getting rid of things that you don't carry anymore. And I did a lot of that and remember standing in my house going is there anything else? It didn't take long before I was standing in front of this picture. That was over my fireplace mantle. The painting depicted two gunships on fire in a shooting war with each other. This picture belongs to my mom and all I heard was the picture. Yeah, but it came from him. Rachel's mom who'd been badly abused by Gombart passed away a few years earlier. I um without second guessing. Took that picture off my mantle. I brought it outside. I lead it on my patio table. I took a razor blade and I exited from corner to corner. Big ex. And when I did that something came out of that picture. It was an energy. And I felt like I freed my mom and I burned it. And that was my mind. And I went through the biggest most I don't even know how to explain it like the dark night over the soul. Is this the letter? Yeah. How do you feel with that letter sitting right there on the on the table? I only held on to it because I didn't. I needed proof. You know, like just he shouldn't have even wrote me anything. One of the things that he said in the letter was that he would get the people from back then to say that I was lying or something. And good luck. Good luck. Good luck. You could say that I'm lying. But does the oven say that I'm lying? Anything that comes to mind about him getting out? I'll be looking over my shoulder again. I should be proud of myself of how far I've come. And there are times where I'm like, yeah, I am, you know, I am. I'm still here. I made it because I didn't think I was ever going to make it this far. So I just want to be free. It's impossible to say with Gumbrod's victims and not want that for each of them. But instead of looking out for Gumbrod's victims, the authorities and Puntum looked out for themselves while leaving Gumbrod free to roam the county. Here's a partial list of the Puntum County lawman who gave Howard Gumbrod a pass. In 2014, Pact Kastolda was caught on camera stopping and choking a handcuffed defendant. Kastolda was arrested and charged with three crimes, including a felony. Instead of sending him to jail, though, the county sent him out to pasture, gave merely retirement at full rank and pension. Detective Kevin Duschkov, the cop who took Amy for and his statement about being raped and then failed to investigate her attack. He's no longer a cop there because he's now a judge in Puntum County. Then there's Bob Leeder, Anthony's ethically challenged lawyer, the guy who botched his first trial in 1997. He's not only still a lawyer, he's also a judge in Puntum County. And finally, Dan Stevens, the Puntum cop/polygraph expert who coerced a false confession for Mandy Kreevack. He was caught red-handed framing another innocent team for the murder of a schoolgirl classmate. That teen Jeffrey Deskivick spent 16 years in prison before the innocence project helped secure his release. After he was exonerated Deskivick sued Stevens, and was awarded 41 million in damages by a jury. That was the end of Stevens' cop, but not as a Puntum official, because then he turned around and became the county carer. Proving once and for all that in Puntum County, no bad deed goes punished. Given the cowardice and the cruelty of those Puntum officials, it's left to others to seek justice for Gomberd's victims. And so, with no one else to turn to, we've taken the lead. As I tape this, our lawyers are in talks with state officials, officials who have the power to a rest Gomberd at any point, including the day of his release, although curiously, the Puntum Sheriff has reopened Joe's ats' cakes, just weeks before our series runs in full. But given past performance, we've little confidence in that department. And so we offer this plea to Letitia James, the attorney general of New York State, under state law she can detain Gomberd indefinitely, using something called civil commitment. That statute applies to so-called SVPs, or sexually violent predators, as they're known. And the eyes of this reporter and my team of co-producers, there's no one who fits that description better than Howard, John, Gomberd, Schumier. (gentle music) When I first met Anthony in January of '21, he was a newly wealthy man. He had his check for 12 million from Putnam County, minus his lawyer's cut. He had an additional 5 million from New York State, for those wrongful years behind bars. He bought himself a penthouse in Westchester County and filled it with expensive toys. He had a girlfriend who loved him, the freedom to travel widely. At 43, he had the world at his feet. But for all that, he hadn't been outside in weeks. Downstairs, his black Mercedes was caked in dust. It never left the garage unless his girlfriend drove it. His meals came up via door dash runners. They might as well have shoved them through a slot in the door because that's what injustice does to a man. It turns him into his own jailer. That first day we sat and talked for hours, he and I. Every hour, so he'd get up to use the chon and come back with a tall poor vodka. He badly needed treatment at a trauma clinic. To kind of place your cowboy up and confront your terror while treating your substance disorder. Mercifully, that's what happened. He did. A year or so after we met. But for nine months, he wasn't going anywhere till he poured out everything on his heart. His red hot hatred for the cops who'd framed him is guilt for getting out and getting paid in full. While his best friend Andy was still detained, waiting two more years for his new trial to start. But above all, Anthony burned a win justice for Carmel's vanished girls. And yes, you heard me right when I set girls because six months after Joe Zett went missing, a second girl disappeared from Carmel. Her name was Rupp and Murphy, and her body has never been found. Her disappearance and presumed death still haunts the town of Carmel. And still be devil's the Carmel police who'd kept your case open for 30 years now. That was their pretext for not sharing their case file when we asked them about Howard Gombard. As it happens though, I knew someone who had it. In the fall of last year, I flew out to the northwest with my co-producer, Cara Cornhaber. You guys want something to drink? Why don't you send one of my guests? I get out people. Anthony and his girlfriend, Leah, bought a gorgeous spread in the Rockies. They literally live with a buffalo realm. We have three bald equals that live over there. This horse has come right down here to eat. And we're friends with the lady. So she don't mind us. We feed them carrots and apples. They come right to the fence. For them. That's fantastic. We get the elk out here. We saw elk this year. I mean, maybe 80. And just right down the street. I can't begin to tell you how much he's changed in the five years since we met. He's still huge, of course. But his bulk is car from rock now. Anthony benches 375 and his massive gym downstairs. And two floors above it is his red and black throne room. It's the pantheon of his gods in the WWE. Their life size figures a brick flare and the undertaker. Their WrestleMania belts framed on every flat surface. And at the heart of that room is Anthony shrine to Hulk Hogan, whom he dreamt on as a boy. It's Anthony's great joy that he'd be friend of the Hulkster before he passed away. And why not? They're both a large in life and entirely self-created. The day before we left Karen, I sat with Anthony in his study. He's nothing if not a curator of his struggle. And his thousands and thousands of documents pertaining to Putnam County. On that day, he started talking about something new he had. [BLANK_AUDIO] >> Except you don't want to talk about how you found it. Or was it really? >> Well, I told, I mean, let's not put this at all on the podcast. And if you want to ask me, take the microphone off. But you can do it when you're done. >> Okay. >> You know, don't be that thirsty. >> Of course, Anthony being a Anthony, he did eventually show it to us. >> I want to show you something. So this is the Robin Murphy file from the police department. This is all they have for 30 years. All of it. That's a full civil disqual. It was a massive carton filled with files. Many of them stamped Carmel PD. >> Robin Murphy, who has been missing since 1995. >> How did you get this? >> Dropped in my lap. >> Oh, and the name of the last person Robin was seen with? Howard, John, Gombart, Jr. [MUSIC] >> We're going to find out what's in that box and what happened to Robin Murphy. And season two of The Devil's Quarry. >> You said I have one minute to ask anything. I'm going to ask you this. Where is Robin Murphy's body buried? >> Really good. [MUSIC] >> The Devil's Quarry is a production of Love of For Good in association with Rolling Stone Films and Signal Company number one. I'm your creator and host Paul Solitarov. Executive producers are Jason Flom, Jeff Campler, Kevin Mortis, and Gilbert King. From Rolling Stone Films, our executive producers are Alexandra Dale and Sean Woods. Our producers are Cara Cornhaber, Hannah Beale, Jackie Pauling, Austin Smith, and Kathleen Horne. Our editor is Joel Lovell, fact checking by Lucy Krunning, or sound designer is Brits Bangler, and our engineer is Austin Smith. Additional reporting by Kathleen Horne. The original music arranged and produced by Alexis Quadrado at the Plaza Rojas studio. Had a marketing and operations, Jeff Clyburn, publicist, Nathaniel Baruch, art director Andrew Nelson, social media manager Sarah Gibbons. Legal review provided by Clariss Law and Gibson Dunn. The theme song, the one who's holding the stars, is performed by Alexis Quadrado at the Plaza Rojas studio. Vocals by Rob Reddy of California Gorns, written by Leo Scofield and Kevin Herrick at the Florida Department of Corrections, Hardy Correctional Facility. And then we brought up Robin, Robin Murty. And then he tells me they'll never find the body. I'm like, "How do you know?" That's for me. In jail talk and signuating those are your men down, those are your bodies. He didn't so much with Joe's at More with Robin. What's up, fam? I'm sports journalist, Ari Chambers. We're the host of Everyone Watches Women's Sports, a new podcast from Together and I Heart Women's Sports. The viral moments. I've been obsessed with Koshan Rock's boxing journey. She looks good, her combos are swift. 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