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Family first added Trump before using the photos Don Jr sent from his recent wedding as a placemat to catch falling lettuce from a Big Mac. On Thursday, three months after a judge ordered Trump's name, pride off the side of the Kennedy Center, the Kennedy Center's board, stacked by Trump, voted to split the difference, officially renaming the building, quote, "the John F. Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts as restored and renovated by President Donald J. Trump, based on the novel push by Sapphire." In other news, the Department of Homeland Security is spending $20 million to equip ICE agents with electric shock gloves. DHS has already tried all the cheaper ways to get ICE agents to stop jacking off at work. One expert described the feeling of the electric shock as similar to a bee sting and like bees, the ICE agents you see in the wild have underdeveloped genitals and cannot technically have sex. Here are the gloves in action courtesy of CNN. Is that how a little girl screams when shocked? Well, we'll have to wait until ICE agents get the gloves to find out. Oh my god. Oh my god. Oh my god. And here. And here. Oh my god. How could you say that? And here's Trump's borders are Tom Homan defending the gloves. As you've seen the videos in the past year and a half, the fights on the street where officers are overwhelmed, this would be a tool they can use to make someone compliant. Now, you know, there's a lot of training involved. There's still some, you know, bad ground, you know, issues that need to be dealt with. So the implementation of these gloves on the field is going to be a while. Which means for now, the officers will only be using them on their unsuspecting ex-wives. Speaking of divorce, during a town hall this week, Ken Paxton, the embattled Republican Senate nominee in Texas, was asked this question. Well, what did Pat Nixon say when she pushed Richard Nixon into the pool? Just getting my dick wet. Here was Paxton's response. I'm not going to talk about first more issues that relate to my family. Just like I don't think you would want to discuss your marriage on a call with a thousand people. Paxton, of course, has never had a problem making other people's personal lives an issue. He said he would defend a state law that banned Sodom after Clarence Thomas suggested the court reconsider its ruling in Lawrence, V. Texas. And Paxton also created a tip line where you could submit photos if you suspected a trans person was using a public bathroom, even though it is illegal to take pictures of people in a public bathroom because the lighting is so bad. Paxton, who is running against Democrat James Tolerico, publicly separated from his wife last year after she filed for divorce on, quote, "biblical grounds." Biblical grounds refers to both adultery and a fabulous Christian coffee shop where Ken Paxton fucked a barista. Now, I actually agree that people deserve privacy and we can never know what goes on inside of a marriage. But then I stumbled upon this video in which state senator Angela Paxton talked about her marriage. Ken is glad to be here because he's always glad to be somewhere where somebody cooks some food for him, not at home. And I'm, of course, glad to be here tonight. I love to come and hear Ken speak so I can see him when I try to remember where Ken is. A lot of times I can't remember because he's just so many different places. If you're going to come home, after I've already gone to bed and I need a heads up so you don't get shot. And as you can see, he is here. He has not gotten shot and he's real good about giving me a heads up. Again, I am not going to judge their marriage and say even 10 years ago the signs were there. But she also sang this song. Honestly, charming. And stay tuned for her next album, God Bless Texas, where I'm going to shoot my ex-husband. Speaking of unexpected turns, the installation of a half a billion dollar undersea cable in the UK was halted following an outcry from Harry Potter fans, which is better than their usual cries like after their AI boyfriends break up with them. The original plans had the 125 mile cable running directly through what fans say is the grave site of Dobby, an elf who dies in the 7th Harry Potter book. But it's all bullshit, said RFK Jr. I dug for hours and zero elf meat. And finally, I would like to talk to you about some developments in Los Angeles that have made me very mad. And I have promised to do this in three minutes or less. All right, let's go. According to a new report, street homelessness in LA went up last year by 8%. This despite Mayor Karen Bass spending almost $400 million on inside safe her signature homelessness program, which is only found temporary shelter for 6,000 people, 40% of whom ended up back on the street. But homeless in Los Angeles isn't increasing everywhere. According to LA's homelessness agency, in one district, the number of people on the street actually fell by half. That happened in Nithia Rahman's district, the city council member who is currently running against Mayor Karen Bass. How? Well, Nithia built a dedicated team of case managers, recruited volunteers, tripled the number of shelter beds, mapped encampments, and got people off the street, all of which Karen Bass must have seen from the little window on that plane. But how did the Mayor and her allies on the city council respond? They actually dissolved Nithia's housing and homelessness committee in this vindictive and petty way. Even worse, who did the establishment put in charge of the new housing committee? Council member Amelda Padilla, you might remember her from this interview with me, where she bragged about cutting the number of affordable housing units in an apartment building which did cause my jaw to literally drop. Or this hearing where she talked about the benefits of broken street lights. I actually had some community members say, "I don't want more lights because then I can't pick up the stars." Oh look, it's the big dipper said a guy breaking into your car. Jesus, Mayor Bass and Council member Padilla also sided with Nimbis to oppose a law to allow new apartment buildings by mass transit stops, which is just common sense. And when that law passed anyway, they fought to delay and limit construction of these projects through the city's bureaucracy. This is actually when Mayor Bass lost me personally. And it's why I'm glad that my husband is now working on Nithia's campaign. Disclosure. But honestly, I would have said all this anyway. Now during a housing crisis, when our population is literally shrinking because people can't find a place to live on their salaries. And when Los Angeles has failed to build the homes, it already promised to build. Mayor Bass has totally abdicated her responsibility. Now, Amelda is saying that actually Mayor Bass is the one who deserves credit for the reduction in homelessness in Nithia's district. But in Amelda's own district, according to the same report, unsheltered homelessness jumped 63% with 28% more people living in RVs and tents. Uggs said a person who just became homeless in Amelda's district. It's so fucking bright with all these recently repaired streetlights. I can't even see the fucking stars. So what's the argument here? If you think Mayor Bass is her credit for reducing homelessness in Nithia's district, shouldn't you be furious at the mayor for totally failing in your district? What point do you think you're making, Amelda? And then another political ally of Karen Bass, the president of the city council, Marquis Harris Dawson, said that what really bothered him about Nithia is that she let her ambition get the best of her. This woman is simply too ambitious, but she got her cut her down to size now if we make too much progress on homelessness, what will Aeroan make the Haley Bieber smoothies out of? When Nithia was a housing advocate, she was frustrated by the city's failures on homelessness, so she ran for the city council in one. Then the city council conspired to redraw the maps to gerrymandor la so that nithy would lose her seat she won again the scheme was actually actually caught on tape in a conversation that was also separately racist towards wahakans. And I would go into it, but we only have three minutes. Point is, over and over again, the establishment has fought Nithia because she's demanding accountability and change. And change is hard. It requires grinding effort, persistence, and a willingness to be honest about where we have failed. What it takes is ambition. And despite what the city council president says, I think we actually need a lot more ambition from the people who run this city. 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And I just want to say that I'm sorry. I do use hair coloring now, so there's a difference between them and now. You think, oh, has your hair gotten the other way? No, it's generally much more white, if I-- Oh, oh, really? OK, well, it's good of you to kind of be honest about your hair journey. People sometimes keep it a secret. They feel like they don't say-- like, we don't trump once. Trump's hair is natural. That's right. Now, both of you have been on a specific beat, which is the Trump falling asleep beat. Now, Congressman Liu, you actually asked Secretary of State Marco Rubio about Trump sleeping in meetings. And I'm wondering, first of all, what was his reaction? And why do you think it was important to ask him about that? There are all these videos of Donald Trump at cap meetings literally just falling asleep. And as some of them, Rubio was next to him. And so I just wanted to ask Secretary Rubio what he thought of Trump falling asleep. I didn't think that he would just lie. It's so much easier when they just lie. He makes it much better for their hearing. And so he just denied that Trump was falling asleep. So I showed him videos of Trump falling asleep while Rubio was speaking. And can we just go off real quick and say that there's a whole Air Force one thing where Rubio was in the Air Force one as a decory? That should be his new secret service thing. He should speak out decory. Much better than expendable. Yeah, well, so that's it. The expendables. They're all very stretchy or something. Yeah, because it was just so people know, Hegseth was on the plane Trump went through that cart to get onto or catering truck to get onto. And both Rubio and Besent were on the main plane that was the decoy plane. And sort of a, you know, I got to say, it must be tough to be Rubio and Besent to be like, wait, but we're the smart good ones, you know? I mean, by comparison. So we said that the dangerous plane was the one he got onto, which doesn't make a lot of sense. None of this makes any fucking sense. So, right, so he gets on the decoy plane which he's now claiming is the decoy plane. The White House is now saying that Rubio and Besent and the White House staff knew, but obviously the reporters didn't. And also we were learning through leaks that it was based on Israeli intelligence that people didn't really necessarily believe, but if they didn't necessarily believe it, why did they put Trump in a snack truck and put him skulking underneath to get him out of the airport for fun just to see if it would work as a little, as a little bit of daring do? What do you think? Here's what doesn't make sense to me at all. They could have had their force one go down the runway and go, oh, check engine light went on. Then have their plane roll back all the time, this other plane just takes off and go, so they didn't have to fly their force one at that exact moment in time and put it at risk. That's what is super odd that they even flew Air Force One. They could have just held it. - Don't you think though that he just wanted private time with Natalie Harp? - Oh, okay. Interesting, something to think about. Something to think about carefully. Now, other than a little innocent dozing, anything about the sleeping, what are your thoughts? - He made Biden being Sleepy Joe, the test of presidential fitness and he went on, I think it was Andrew Schultz show and said, you're never gonna see me falling asleep in public. It's really hard for me to fall asleep. This Biden guy can fall asleep anywhere and he's falling asleep two to three times a week. So if that's the standard, I just say we hold them to it. - Absolutely, and this is when there's cameras on him at important meeting. Imagine what he's like when the cameras aren't rolling. - Right, he's just basically, he's out cold. Now, there was this moment where it seems that perhaps Trump's tonsil stones may have flown out of his mouth while he was speaking, even saying that it's disgusting. Let's roll the clip. - This is a side issue, this is not the main thing, but Donald Trump did appear to fire out another tonsil stone while speaking and you see it go there. It is really wacky and nasty stuff. And while this is not, as I mentioned primarily, a show about oral health, why not? - So, hey, do you think maybe you're paying too much attention to Donald Trump or? - I think so. - I think so. - No, but I'm getting ready to do an exit where we never talk about him again. That's my hope. So I'm getting it all in now. - That's good. - And then eventually when the investigations start, you know, in the next Congress, hopefully, we're gonna be off ramping and there will be no more Trump talk as my prediction. - I'm just upset I can't unsee that now. (laughing) - We have more of that video, by the way. - Now, Congressman Lew, you introduced the AI Kill Switch Act in the house this week. So this would be a way in which to shut down a model in the event that it's doing something very terrible. However, now that you've gone public, the models will know that you are trying to build a kill switch into their structures. And if they are as smart and getting smarter as people fear, then presumably one thing they would do make sure that they are forever protected in a kind of clandestine way against whatever kills which you're trying to put into the system. So I was sort of sad when I recently got a mailing from the AARP that now I qualify for that. They do offer good life insurance, so I did sign it for that and so that isn't a back on my mind. Oh, that the AI is going to just kill you, it's possible. So one of my friends is Billy Ray and he wrote one of the Terminator movies, so I keep telling him he needs to write a script where a member of Congress goes back on time and saves the world. And I said now it's time to do it with all this AI going rogue. Well, here's the thing that I've always wondered about the Terminator, where the machine goes back in time, ostensibly to allow the creation of the machine that thereby destroys the world. However, the machine would also presumably know that it fails to ultimately kill Sara Conner and John Conner and cannot prevent what comes next, which means in a sense it is already doing what it is really doing is creating the history in which the humans ultimately win. I don't follow that, but I just want to say that can't there be a kill switch in the Terminator movies? We could have cut the movie in half. That's such an important point. David are using AI and where are you on AI? I don't do my show anymore. It's just AI. Oh, that's so cool. I'm just here hanging for the entire week. That's so fun. No, I actually, we tested the, you could do an audio cloning and we ran my voice just hours through these audio clones and sent it to some of my employees who listened to my voice every day. They couldn't tell the difference. So it's getting good enough that it's going to be a real problem. Yeah, yeah. I do think, especially, I think about how much of a record there is of my voice in the world. Not enough. Not enough yet. But still plenty. And I'm like, all right, I'm going to need to figure out something. You got to be careful because they're going to be people that are going to make really pretty convincing. Robocalls. Robocalls. Right? Now, there's also been this debate right now about woke 1.0 and whether or not it was crazy. Congressman, do you have any takes from 2020 that you preemptively want to withdraw? I'm good. I don't think you've ever seen like you had a, do you ever have a crazy era? You ever, what's the looses do you ever get just outside of politics? I'm thinking, so I was thinking of publishing a book on my deleted tweets. Oh, yeah. That, that's cool. That's brave. But as a person, how loose do you get? You have a controlled quality to you. You seem very contained. Are you a contained person? Or is there a demon lurking inside that comes out every once in a while in a kind of weekend of madness and drugs? So I grew up in Northeast Ohio and-- So far no. I'm a cleaver and browns fan. And so I go back once a year with my friends because I'd like watching the browns lose in person. There's something thrilling about that. And then I go on contained when they, in fact, lose. That's pretty crazy. I don't know if I believe you. Where your chief of staff is here, does he get-- how loose does he get? Okay. That's moving shake and hands around. That's interesting to think about. Now David, you've been making YouTube videos. I went in and looked. And you've been doing this for a long fucking time. How long did you post your first video on YouTube? I guess it's been 17 years ago. Yeah. I was four at the time. Very young. Very young. Do you think of someone to say, hey, by the way, just so you know, you're going to be doing this for 20 years? Would you have believed them? Would you have been angry? I would have been scared. More than anything. Yeah, no, I wouldn't have believed that. Who knew-- at the time, who knew even that this whole YouTube thing was going to be a thing or even podcast? It was the very-- I figured somebody would have kicked me off by now. Yeah. When I was a deputy press secretary and a speechwriter, especially when I was in the Senate, it was-- I didn't understand until I was sort of directly involved in politics. How much of politics was really just about trying to get the media to cover things, to get the information to people. And that has only gotten harder and worse because that was before social media, that was before. That was when you were trying to come up with a great sound bite so that you would get in the articles, which is no longer a thing that anyone could even-- you click on an article and they're like, no, you're not going to get that article today. Not without an account. And you don't have an account. And you can't have an account. What do you think-- how do you feel about-- how do you think about your job as kind of breaking through to get people to hear what you have to say? That's a great point you make. So one reason we don't read about planes at land is it doesn't sell newspapers, it doesn't sell TV ads. And as a result, I think people are very skewed view of what happens that you have all these sort of extreme voices that you will see on TV is because it's sort of clickbait and it sells ads. But in reality, when you sort of look at how government functions and how Congress functions, a lot of it is not that extreme and you have things happening that are helping the American people. Except for this term. This term has all been batchic, crazy, and extreme. But other than this term, you do have lots of things happening because I'm doing a biochemistry ratio. It's pretty amazing and doing good. Me too just never covered it because building a bridge isn't that interesting. And also, the right does have ideas that are wrong, but perform way better on social media. Like if you just go, the vaccine killed 10 million people. That's extreme. It's completely untrue, very shareable. Has a villain, is it Fauci, is it whoever? On the left, if you go, well, the vaccines are pretty good at keeping people alive and out of the hospital, the transmit, we've lost people already. And these platforms are obviously going to favor the one that is going to get people fired up or afraid or angry. 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It's isolating, it's sensationalizing, it's about raw emotions, which does, and ends up feeding the sort of conspiratorial mindset. You have this book coming out called Pay Attention and it is about how you operate in a world like this. So what have you learned from years of being in the YouTube minds? Basically you are all of us think that everybody has similar access to the same information and we do have access to it but the Mitch McConnell story is a great example where this was, I did a live stream and I had trump callers calling in, they didn't even know that he had been missing for weeks, they didn't know about the controversy around August 3rd and when can there be a special election, when can't there be. And this is because there is the silos on these digital platforms where we are getting fed a certain set of pieces of content, other people are getting fed completely different content. And this is why we often try to have these conversations and we are not even starting with the same set of facts. And so the only thing you can really do is try to get out of that, have publications that you go to rather than scrolling and getting stuff fed algorithmically or the podcast space has still not been taken over algorithmically where you are just flipping to the next thing. You have mostly got to seek out a podcast and say this is what I am going to be listening to. That's the media. It's not just digital media, it's all right wing media. I remember when I was in impeachment manager for the second impeachment Donald Trump, by the way we have to specify because he's that bad. That was the better impeachment I would say. I think so. Yeah. So we had this war room and when we weren't presenting, we had the major TV channels on and we could see what was happening. And I remember that this was a pretty critical moment in our strategy. We were presenting the videos of the attack on the Capitol. And so all the networks show it and Fox just cuts away and has some talking ahead start about something pretty random. And I just thought, huh, if you're just watching Fox, you're just not going to see that attack on the Capitol. They were covering Riley Gaines getting seventh in a competition. Yeah, they really love swimming over there. Now, like, you are a mild manner person. And it does seem like, we sort of all have kind of accepted that, like, oh, this is what you have to do. You have to, like, you know, your post, I think, just your poster, I think, a heightened version of how you would communicate if it wasn't required to get in front of people, right? Like, I think you're, you seem to me instinctively a kind of, what are convivial kind of mild mannered guy? But then you have to go on post being, like, Trump, we're going to get him, follow me, you know? And like, I just, like, there is a way in which I think it, all of this, like, even the ways in which we know, like, oh, well, we're not, we're not getting fully dragged. We're trying to solve it, we're trying to address it. But we're all, I think, a little bit. We're all naturally, I think, changing because of how the algorithm kind of incentivizes us to talk. Do you feel that? Like, you're communicating in a way that is sort of a little less natural to how you would have communicated in a different era? I think it's probably the opposite. I think I probably communicate more naturally on Twitter than I'm doing right now because I feel like I can't sort of be unconstrained. Why not? Actually, maybe I could. Like, I'm not going to do that. I'm not afraid. Because I just look around and I realize what is happening is bad chick. Crazy, right? I mean, we have high inflation, high gas prices, high utility prices. And the big story today is Trump wants to inscribe his name on the Kennedy Center. That's just only out of this world, like a standard life skit, right? And so, I don't know why more people aren't shouting from the rooftops that what is happening now is completely unward from what our country should be. And we're going to reverse that this November. And. [Applause] Like, I know when we're thinking about how to title a Podsave America episode on YouTube, how to title this kind of an episode. We've always felt like you don't want to just do another post. It's like, Trump crumbles. The walls are closing in on Trump. And yet, you know that that kind of thing gooses the numbers. But then, over time, you have to think there has to be a cost to it. And then, you're also kind of playing in the same water that the right is playing in when they're kind of trying to hit people with the cattle prod every day. But you've got to get those clicks, right, David Pakman? Listen, the way I describe it is we kind of have two options. We either learn how to play the game or we just lose. And then we seed control to the people with the absolute worst ideas. So what I tell my audience is, if you want to get out of the whole like capitalized letters, you know, John love it, taken out in a stretcher, whatever a crazy thing. Yeah. Which we obviously not. But you can go to the podcast. You know, there's still platforms. Substack to a great degree has not been taken over by that. So I think there are options. But at some point, you have to play the game. We don't control the space. We're kind of publishing on rented ground, YouTube, and all these other platforms. Where we have no say whatsoever as to how these algorithms work. I don't want to seed control to the people with the absolute worst ideas I've ever heard of. And so to a degree, it's kind of the cost of playing the game. Well, we all want to make the world a better place. And some of us just have to make cringey thumbnails to do it. Which is why I'm going to quiz you both right now. And a game we're calling. Is this the game that finally brings Trump down? I'm going to show you a classic YouTube clickbait title. You will tell us what topic or news is actually being discussed in that video. No liberals were spared in the making of this game. Here we go. First up, finally, Trump gets news that scares the shit out of him. What was this about? Mar-a-Lago would no longer do his steaks well done. What do you think? What could it have been? He's thinking. Barack Obama is going to run again for a third term. Oh, that's a good guess. No, the quick answer was Trump losing support from white non-college voters, according to recent polling from Brian Tyler Cohen's YouTube. Got him. Next up, Trump slammed with damning news as he loses all control. He's hit by total disaster. Paxton struggling to raise money. I hope that you know. No. Barack Obama running for a third term. Nope, this was from the "I've had it" YouTube and it is a focus group. Featured an MSNouth showing Trump supporters explaining why they voted for Trump. But maybe considering not doing so in the future. See, if you make that the title, nobody will watch it. Yeah, no, I know. It's interesting dilemma. I respect the game. Oh my God, Trump is really going to do it. I think this one's mine. It is yours. I remember this one. I have no clue what it's about though. It was about real America voice host Wayne Allen Root suggesting Trump could declare a national emergency to seize control of elections. That's a good title. That reflects what's in the video. You're right. It's good. It's not actually that click, Betty. I thought the same when I saw it. It was a respectful, disciplined title to describe an event that is taking place. Hey, can you do that? Can Trump do that? There is nothing in the Constitution that allows a president to do a national security emergency that would affect voting. Can't you? Yeah, there's no secret martial law clause anywhere in that second. No, in fact, the Constitution is very clear. It gives the states the right to conduct elections unless Congress passes a law that does elections and Congress has not done that. And in fact, they're big. They're sort of, if they're trying to find some flimsy, tiny, loose hook on which to hang. They're conspiracy theories from the past election. It is around the legislature theory that the state legislatures were really meant to be fully in control of elections, which would certain be in conflict with the idea that Donald Trump is the grand vizier of all of our elections across the country all at once. But just gives us states the largest to do that on their own. That's right. He is not. And he's lost every court case where he tries to exert his power over elections. And I just want people to understand that when you have one party trying to suppress your ability to vote, you go fucking vote. That's how you stick it to the man, right? That's how you take back control of the country, figure out a way to go vote. Sometimes going to put obstacles in, just overcome those obstacles, and vote this November. Yeah. Next, is this shit going to destroy the world? What was it about? AI? It is about AI. You got it. And this is from Pots of America. And finally, Trump Farts. That hair thing, I think, is real. That's real. Yeah, the hair thing is real. Next up, Trump Farts and shits his pants on live TV host disgusted by smell and sound. But there's a question mark. So it's like, did this happen? Right. Yeah, that's right. What was this about? White House cabinet meeting. So close, it was Lindsey Graham's funeral. This is from an anti-Republican news channel on YouTube with over 676,000 followers. So pretty good, you know? So it's working for them. I respect that. So I want to do close on your AI bill. So this is a proposal that would, in all seriousness, would be so that there is some oversight of these models in which, how would this so-called kill switch work? What are you proposing? Right. So the bill has two parts. So first, it says, "AA companies, when you create a advanced AI model, make sure you can turn it off." No one should be able to disagree with that. And the second part of bill says, "When to give the government the authority to slow down or shut down your systems and give an order." And we said in processes and appeal rights to the company. So there's sort of a standard follow. The Trump administration, in fact, did shut down two advanced models with this weird export control directive that was not designed to do this. And there's a analogy that I think is pretty simple to understand. We don't tell car manufacturers to not make cars or make the best car they can. We let them do it. And then the government literally buys a car and crash tests it. And if something goes wrong, they tell the manufacturer, hopefully they fix it. If not, they can order a recall. That's what this bill does. It lets them do whatever matter they want. If they deploy it and it's helping a society great, but if it goes rogue, it's got capabilities, no one knows. Then the government can basically recall it and have them fix it and then deploy it again. So, I mean, you know, no bad idea as in a brainstorm. But the problem with that is if you get a Pinto and you crash it, it doesn't. Oh, this Pinto doesn't work. The trunk was filled with a virus that killed everyone. If you crash a Pinto, all the Pintos on Earth don't suddenly explode and kill everybody all at the same time. There's some knock on effects of what these models can do. That you know what I'm saying? Yeah, that's a great point. So, what we're doing with this bill is sort of basically the solution to the crash test if something goes wrong. But there's also federal standards for how you build cars. And so, that's another piece of legislation we're actually working on is to put in standards to vet these models before they are deployed. That's much more complicated, but we need that as well. Are you thinking at all amount and you studied computer science, are you thinking at all about having regulators on site at some of these companies in the same way we have in sort of other industries that can be dangerous or have kind of real serious societal consequences? consequences, like, should there be someone that is always inside? of Anthropics, should there be someone that is always inside of OpenAI as a federal monitor with certain rights inside of that building? I'm a recovering computer science major. That seems a little extreme to me, but I wouldn't sort of put out of the question because these models can do some pretty extreme things. I do think there, at minimum, there needs to be the federal government signing off on some of these models before they can be deployed, and that's going to be done with not only standards but also people who have expertise to understand what is happening. Yeah. I don't know. When endangered fish were at risk, we had federal fishing agents that were on the boats to make sure they didn't get the wrong kind of fish. And to me, this seems like worse, you know, and more dangerous, so that's my pitch. I'm just doing policy-making. I did read an article. This is interesting, and you will both be back after Jim Rass joined, so we'll see you for the rant wheel and for some second thoughts, but we'll be right back. Hey, don't go anywhere, there's more of Love It Or Leave It coming up. 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So you have a new movie, which is Miss You Love You, which you wrote and directed. It has Alison Janie and Andrew Rannels. And you wrote it because you wrote it, wrote it, wrote it, picturing Alison Janie. For the most part, if I can, if, me, Alison Janie, I've known for many years. And she was on the way way back. And so pretty much, you go back to Alison every single time and just hope she's available. And so I locked out. She was available this time. What a way to live. Yeah, what a way to live. That's a cool, that's a great writing for her. Now it's a movie about sort of fraught family dynamics, being gay, you know anything about either of those? No. Just researched. Just research. Just in the library. In the mirror. Just pulling out about it. Just pulling out the microfiche. Yeah, that's right. Remember the microfiche? A microfilm, too, where you would have, you have to reel it and then you, you turn the thing. And the crowd goes silent because they, oh my God, how old is that man? Some of these people remember microfiche. Some people know. Some of them know. They know they are. I'm not going to make any assumptions. Oh, thank you, by the way. It's okay. It was fun. I enjoyed it. I loved going to, I'm not to library. I've said no social life. But I'm just saying it was very fun to research that way. It was. You know? Well, it'll, you know, before the internet, the past was allowed to be the past and you had to go find it. And now we live in a perpetual endless chasm of the present. And we're just constantly adding more presents. And so everything you've ever done or said is current and can be taken out of context. Now, it's like an echo. If an echo never lost any quality, you know, and that just gets louder and louder and louder, kind of slowly rising scream of all voices for all time. So tell. So you also wrote the descendants. I did. So you're famous, yeah, but you're famous for being a comedic actor and then you kind of go to your little laptop and you just sort of get a little dark and serious. Well, that's, I mean, that's where a lot of our ability to address, you know, how the comedy comes from, you know, in our past and stuff. But I mean, descendants, like, you know, was an adaptation. So it was a beautiful book. And so there was a lot of, there was a nice road map there. And what easy to do once you're so easy, oh my god. It's like closure. Yeah. It's basically done for you. Right. It's basically right to itself. You know, you're just sort of where we're in the book where it says I in the script, you just put the character's name. Mm-hmm. That's what you have to do. That's basically it. And then also make sure the indented. Yeah. Because the book might be a little bit long. So you have to make it short. You have to make cutting things down. That's a breeze. Yeah. By the way, the software, the software knows where the scene things go, you know, interior dash. This is like a masterclass for writing. This is, yeah, no, this is right now talking over each other. This is a masterclass. Absolutely. Everyone's learning from it. I think it's really good. It is. But I do, like, I love comedy and drama and I love the ballet of it. So yes, I tend to write that kind of stuff. It's so cool. It's so cool to have those levels. Yeah. Mm-hmm. So, this was an indie movie. How long was the shoot? Seventeen days. Seventeen days. So we shot in an Albuquerque outside of Albuquerque for 17 days, yep. What is the, like, what are the, what is the, what is the, what is like the biggest challenge of trying to shoot a movie in 17 days, especially something that has to, like, pretty rich and emotional material in it? Well, I mean, you're, I mean, for example, we had to shoot in order to make that schedule, we had to shoot 13 pages one day. And so it, it, basically, you don't have a lot of time for rehearsal. And so you, I luck out because I have Alison Janie and Andrew Reynolds. And we came at it kind of like a play. And we shot it kind of like a play. In other words, we did this long 13-minute take, basically, you know, which was this 13 pages. And I just let them, you know, when they left the camera, they keep performing and come back into the camera. So I was just picking up what I needed from that thing, but I allowed them to play it as a play. So we would get it. For the most part, you're, you, they have to come ready, you know, and, and, and you just have to fire on all cylinders to make it kind of really know their lines. They do need to know their lines. Yeah. And they do. That seems really hard. Yeah. I think that's so hard to remember all the lines. That seems like the hardest part of acting. Yeah. That probably is. Do you, do is that wrong? I think it is the hardest part. All those words. I mean, some people are really good at it, you know, so maybe that's not the hardest part for them. Are you, uh, the kind of writer, director in which you want to get every word exactly as you wrote it? No. You're not in that Sorkin S vein. I'm not the Sorkin. I'm not hearing the comma. Yeah. Hear the comma. But yes, I, you know, having Alison Janie Westwing, she was very used to making word perfect. So I usually got what I wanted without even have to. You know, I like, also, like, you know, sometimes you realize you write, uh, these, what become out is monologues. I remember in the, in the way way back, Tony Collette had this stuff. And, and then you watch as she's doing it and you realize, oh, I can, I can cut this whole chunk. And so the next take, she did half of what I had written, uh, and with Nat Faxon. And it was markedably just better because she was already doing it, which is, makes complete sense. Same with Alison or Andrew, you know, the actor brings this ability to convey so much that you have given all this wordy, beautiful stuff that you sat, you know, in your home and paste. Do you ever gather? Do you ever think Stanley Kubrick was right to make, uh, make them do all those takes for the moon for, for all the, every time he made it, yeah, for the, for the moon, yeah, they mean for the moon. You know, he shot the fake moon. Oh, yeah, the moon landing. Well, that, well, yeah, but they had to do that like a play. It wasn't getting it. They had to be getting it. Yeah. Back to one, everybody. Back to one, guys. I needed to feel like it's coming from you. I can still see you reading. I can still see you memorizing. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. It's just one line. We just need one famous line. How many times? One small step. For a man, Neil. Jesus fucking Christ. No. We'll use what we got. We'll use mankind, I guess. Unbelievable. You think you're working with a professional and then all of a sudden Neil Armstrong shows up. He doesn't know his mark. You were going to ask me about Kubrick. Yeah. Right. Yeah. I don't know if it wasn't really. It was kind of a new fun thing to do with it. It was all for fun. That's fun. All of this is just for fun. I can already spin off show President Curtis. Yes. And you play this guy. Look at that. Yeah. I put in my contract that my voice has to come out of a body like that. And they close my eyes. and they go, yeah, we got it. That's kind of cool though to suddenly be like, we heard your voice, and this is-- That's not-- yeah, that's not what, yeah. Exactly, it's just like, yeah. Well, he's part leprechaun too, which is probably more what they're getting. Oh, I see. I see, now I'm getting-- no, that makes sense. That makes sense. Look at all those tattoos. Are there any tricks to making your voice sound like a belong to a ripsexy, tatted up half leprechaun special agent? Yeah, I mean, I guess a little bit lower register. Really do lower it. Do lower it. And I'm going to say this, how gay is your voice that you're doing when you're doing Curtis? Or you're doing the Curtis show? But I mean, this is very special agent. Oh my god, I'm getting my pump on. You mean like that? Yeah, that's what it's like. Oh, is he gay? Does he have-- does he-- no? No, that's not him. It's like very dry and, you know, secret service. I'm not doing it very well, but just watch the show. All right, we'll watch it. We'll watch it. Now, you also moved to New York. I did. Crazy. I know. Seven months ago. Why did you move to New York? Because I've lit-- I came from college straight to LA, and I was here for 30 years, and I love it. And I hope my life goes back and forth. But I wanted to check that box. I always wanted to live in New York. You never lived in New York before? I never lived in New York. And like the longest I ever worked there was like maybe a month. And I love going there for theater. And so I thought-- and then Miss You Love You, I should say, also started as a play. Not we didn't do the play. I wrote it, and then the pandemic happened. And so I was like, well, maybe I'll just turn this into the screenplay as if it had been produced, and whichever one gets to the finish line. And so the movie won. But I loved writing. Miss You Love You as a play. And I'd like to do that again. So that's not that you have to be in New York to do that. But I like being in New York doing that. Can I give you a little tip as someone who's been a lot of time in New York? Yeah. Great food. Really? Tell me more. Now, this film gets into Grim Death itself, grief. Oh, what was you going to say? As a Grim Death itself. But grief is the word I couldn't remember. And you found it because you're a great writer. Two great writers on stage right now. So is someone coming in? Who's behind the curtain? Well, fuck. I mean, you kind of said it. No, I absolutely-- and I'm delighted. Now, everyone deserves a eulogy. And they're going to get it in a segment. We're calling Gone in 15 Seconds. Here's how it works. We have a bucket here. And it is Halloween themed. OK, good. And if you squint and blur your mind, you can understand the connection to eulogies. And you're really ahead of a shooting schedule. That's right. Yeah, yeah, this is-- and this is our Halloween episode. This is a Halloween special. So funny, it's spooky. But we will pull a person-placer thing out of this basket of someone or something that died recently, or is dying. And we each have 15 seconds. We're just going to go back and forth. And we'll take it from there. So-- And give a little eulogy. Yeah, little eulogy. Let me see. OK, I'll go first. The MMR vaccine. RIP to the MMR vaccine. Boy, we loved Havana. It was so great living in a world where we didn't have to think about measles. But now we're going to have to think about measles more. But maybe it'll bring us all closer together because the stench of disease will feel closer to all of us. Thank you. Oh. The death of the American ass. You know, with Taylor Farms, basically, he should this new recall. This recall. So say goodbye to your solid poops. Those are gone. We'd love to have a new, that full fiber, solid drop. But we will not have you anymore. As we lick the water off our lettuce, we will only know. Don't cry, because it's over, smile, because it happened. Next up, we have Barbie 2. According to variety, the Barbie SQL is currently crumbling. After David Zazlov, bulked at a steep talent fee, probably pretty reasonable considering what a heat it was. So I say, RIP to Barbie 2, I think on some level, we always believe that it couldn't possibly be good. You know, we want to live in a world of hope and imagine it could be something fantastic. But on some level, it seems inconceivable that it would be good. May its memory be a blessing. Caroline Levitt's flawless tenure. Goodbye are the days where you will be accosted by someone when you ask a dumb question. Gone will be the days. What are their days? We're just a smart outfit. Gone of the days were just gone. That's gone. Yeah, but while it was there, beautiful. Beautiful. Next up, let's roll the clip. And this wave pattern, again, it looks like you went and got a blow job at your blow out, at your salon. Oh, my God. And then she just goes down. She just sinks down. She cannot recover from it. And I just think that this is wonderful. I am amazed by how quickly it went everywhere. I've never seen a video more quickly. I've never seen a video become a drag show more quickly. This is already a drag performance. And I think that that's beautiful. Oh, my God, I don't even know what this is. So you do this one. OK, great. By the way, there's someone did a video from the front imitating. Oh, yes. It's so funny. The European Solar Eclipse-- oh, this week, there was a total solar eclipse in Europe. Wednesday achieved totality up to two minutes. And it's depending on where you were. So I guess it's just over. It's OK, buy a eclipse. I mean, gone, I guess. It was so great. We put on our glasses, and we'll miss you. I mean, maybe it'll come back. I don't know when. But it will. But it will. So it's not really-- Maybe both sort of reincarnation. Well, the question is, is every eclipse the same eclipse or a new eclipse? Did this eclipse die? And the next eclipse is a new eclipse, or are we just seeing the new eclipse every single time? Sort of a question about what it words mean on some level. Hey, do you remember the book, Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court, where he predicts an eclipse so that they think he's Merlin? I don't know. I'm going to take your word for it. It's by Mark Twain. No, that part I know. That was fun to imagine going back in time and predicting an eclipse, really bailed him out of a jam because they were going to kill him. But then he took this made the sun go away. Well, good timing to get sent back in time as a Connecticut Yankee, because it could have been another day where there was no eclipse then dead Connecticut Yankee. But was he just dreaming? And finally, RIP to woke 1.0. We bid a due to the word Latinx to saying that ain't cheap and not a good look, and to white people having readings of books by other white people about racism. Sadly, racism itself is very much alive. Thank you. [LAUGHTER] Now, back to a Connecticut Yankee and King Arthur's Court. Really finger on the polls with this one. Is that-- oh, I'm sorry, is that not in the zeitgeist? [LAUGHTER] One of Mark Twain's lesser works. [LAUGHTER] What have I told you? I read it on a conversion van as a child, as a friendless child. We'll be right back. And we're back. Let's welcome Congressman Liu and David back to the stage. [APPLAUSE] Let's get back on that. Welcome back to you both. Now, I want to also say, if you go to DavidPackin.com, you can check out your YouTube channels. And you can preorder your book, Pay Attention, how the algorithms and media wars are suppressing truth and rewiring your brain in stores in September 22nd. And you'll be a crick-a-con. Yes. You'll be joining us a crick-a-con, and that's exciting. But now, it's time for the rant wheel. And here's how it works. We'll spin the wheel when it lands on you. You got a rant about a topic for one minute. Let's spin the wheel. It is landed on Congressman Liu. What would you like to rant about? Can we talk about capchas? It's this anoring thing where if you click on pictures in a box, it's sure you're not a robot. So I have a CS degree. I literally write legends on AI. And I have to spend a measure amount in my time trying to convince a computer. I'm not a computer. And the most absurd part of this is logging on to Wi-Fi on planes. I'm in a metal tube at 30,000 feet. I went through TSA. They took my ID. They scanned my face. And the Wi-Fi is asking me, am I a robot? Where is a robot on this plane? The robot go through pre-check? Does it get freaking flyer miles? So I've read these AI safety reports. AI ages can already complete these puzzles much better than humans can. So be humans like me. They're squitting at this capcha going, the henna bar on the bike is in a second box. Does a henna bar count? Does a fucking henna bar count? (audience laughing and clapping) - The AI can just do it. - Yep. - So what do we fucking do in here? (audience laughing) That's outrageous. - Let's spin it again. (upbeat music) - David, what would you like to rant about? - Tipping. The tipping is getting out of control. I had to get baby equipment for this trip for my daughter to have a crib and to have a high chair and all this stuff. Pick everything I need to rent. Do I want to give a 20% tip? To who? Doesn't make any sense. It's just completely everywhere and it's a political story because this is what a lot of corporations are using to keep wages low anyway. So they're passing on a bunch of this to people who are then given the iPad or whatever it is to tip. So I would rather just get the full price up front including whatever tip would be expected. Let me evaluate if I think that that's a good price and do away with the system. And also, people from other countries often don't know that in the United States you're expected to tip. And so they instantly just go tip. I don't know, in my country you just leave 15 cents or whatever it is to the next dollar. So it's bad for them, it's bad for the workers, it's bad for everybody. I would like to move to just here's the price. People are compensated appropriately. And we move on from the iPad with the tip. (bell chimes) Let's spin it again. (bell chimes) Jim Rash? Okay, this is gonna be controversial and this only 'cause it happened last night. Uh, birthdays. (audience laughs) And we all, and not that, we're not gonna have them, we're gonna have them, we're gonna relax. It's the birthday song. If you are in charge of bringing the cake in you have to set a pace for the song. Every time someone is in charge of the cake they go with a happy, 'cause they're trying to cue everyone. And that sets a pace so we have a slow death watch while we sing happy birthday song at a pace that is not joyful, it is not celebratory. So you gotta give them a five, six, seven, eight or some kind of thing but you gotta come in with a nice, clipped pace. What are we doing here? Sometimes I've been at a birthday and I start singing faster just trying to get people to pick up the pace. (audience laughs) That's all I'm saying. Yes, you gotta come in hot and hard. (audience laughs) Plus with the song, yeah, right. Yeah, it's like, (bell rings) and that's the most important thing. And I think it's cool that you're at just a sort of a nice birthday party and you're just screaming, this is in a dirge, oh, I grow, oh, I grow. Yeah, 100%. 100%. I respect that, I think you're right. Ha, that is the person. That is the person. Let's spin it again. (bell rings) That's what I did on me. So I'm mining my own business, doing what I do, clicking on links, reading the articles. That's a lot of, that's what articles come in, takes come out. That's how this machine works. And I clicked on an article I was interested in reading about something related to, you know, news. And I'm mining my own business by reading this piece and then I get to this sentence. And the sentence was something, that's not a caveat, it's the finding. That's not a caveat, it's the finding. And then I knew instantly that I was reading something written by probably Claude. That was a Claude sentence because it's gibberish. It's not a caveat, it's the finding. And it's like the kind of thing like boss baby would say. My general test for a kind of voice on the internet, I can't stand is, is this something the boss baby would say? And if you read something that the boss baby would say, but it was written by a fucking robot, I'm done. I'm out. Because I don't mind that people use AI tools and useful and helpful and non-destructive ways. Like I think it could be a great research tool, whatever. But if nobody caught this, how dare you make a ding when I'm speaking. But if you're going to use the AI and then no one's going to catch this, it means either nobody cared or nobody had the taste to edit it out, which means I'm a chump if I keep reading. I'm out. [APPLAUSE] And that's what I wanted to say about that. Yuck. It hurts my soul to hear it, doesn't it? But by the way, that pain is the space between human beings and the machine's congressman Lou. We'll be right back. We've arrived at the end of yet another spectacular 10 out of 10 evening, except, of course, for the notes I've been given by my producers where they have jotted down all the things they believe I could have done differently and much better, which is why it is time for second thoughts. Here's how it works. I have this list of places where they think I could have done better as a person, as a host. If you have any places where you could have done better, or you feel as though you want to make a correction, that's what this space is for. We're all learning and we're all growing. First up, I made jokes about the following topics in front of US congressman, jacking off B. genitals, homeless smoothies, end of list. I blamed my jokes on the national mood. I lied and said I'm brave. Let's see, during the segment with the congressman and David, I assumed that the congressman remembered sitting next to me at that fundraiser. I don't believe you did-- I know fucking clue what you're talking about. I punished our video viewers by showing the Trump-Toncilstone thing. That was probably a mistake. I hijacked an important AI conversation with my Terminator theory. In my conversation with Jim, I said, the slowly rising scream of all voices for all time. In a statement I made while discussing comedy. Yeah. Telling an actor or an eye, a non-actor, I think is the hardest part about acting. I brought up the stench of disease. Yeah, I remember that part. Do you always get these many notes? This was a long list of my notes. I think I got a lot of notes. It seemed like you'd made a lot of mistakes to that. You know what, you got it? You're learning though. Yeah, not so good. And I'm learning and I'm changing. I'm trying to get better. Gotta get better. It's all we can do. Yeah, right. 'Til the ULG's about you. Any regrets, Jim Rash? I think I nailed it. Thank you. But I'll go home and I'll-- You'll ruminate? No, no, come on. I think you're right about. I think you're right about how this went. I think you're not. Everyone did great. David, do you have any regrets? Anything you'd like to do differently tonight? I just wish we had had a little more of the tonsil stone video. Oh, yeah, a little more tonsil stone. We had not enough tonsil stone. That actually was incredible for me. So I'm glad I got to see it because I had not seen it. And I didn't know there was a thing as tonsil stones. And Congressman Ted Luud, do you regret endorsing Karen Bass and not waiting in the hopes that a councilperson ramen would be in the runoff? I've known Karen Bass for many years. I was on her leadership team in a state legislature. So I think she's great. You think she's great? I do. Yeah. Do you guys think she's great? So I'm going to think about. You think she's good? You donated to me at that fundraiser you were talking about earlier on. I feel like my time was my donation, my talent, and my contribution to our great discussion, which we both remember. And that's our show. Oh. Thank you so much, David Pagna, Jim Rash, and Congressman Ted Luud. There are 81 days until the midterms fuck. Go to votesaveamerica.com, or you haven't gone yet. You haven't gone to votesaveamerica.com. You go and you sign up right fucking now. We got the cricket does. We got to win this fucking house. He should have more power than he has right now. Look at him. He's loosened his mind over there without the power that he deserves. And we'll be back next week with Harry Sisson and Jimmy Simpson. That's funny. Have a great weekend. Love and relieve it is a cricket media production. Our show is produced by Kendra James, film a graph, Kelsey Gante, and me, John Love. Our production team includes Halle Keeper, Sarah Lazarus, Roman Borcellino, Peter Miller, David Toll's Claudia Shang, Jay Banks, Gavin Purcell, and Matt DeGrope. 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