Crazy Cousin Carnage - Depoy, Kentucky

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Now the murder itself happened in a town called, think it's DePoi, it's so small, I can't even find a pronunciation for it, it's just, it's so small there's no stats, it's basically just a few houses, there's no anything in the town, DePoi, I believe is I say D-E-P-O-Y. So it might be DePoi, it might be DePoi. Maybe it's like Patrick Waw, the goalie, maybe it's, we don't know, but it's so small and it's only six minutes from Greenville. So Greenville is where like if you wanted to go get a Snickers bar, you'd go to Greenville for it, which is also a very tiny town, none of these places are big. Greenville? Kentucky? Greenville, Kentucky. So the murder happened in DePoi, well when we have DePoi information, I'll give you that, but otherwise it's going to be for Greenville here. Greenville, Kentucky, they're both, it's Western Kentucky either way, about an hour and 45 to Nashville, about two hours to Louisville, and about 35 minutes to Madisonville, Kentucky, which was our last Kentucky episode, episode 655, which was the murder of the Queen, which was the dairy queen lady, if you remember that, the, wow, we were so hungry after that show. Is she on one, right? Yeah, she was like, for years and years, like she had it since like the 50s, she was like an original dairy queen. She's one of the only ones that had like an original recipe ice cream. Yeah, it was pretty cool. So yeah, we want a Dilly bar's bat after that. This is in Mule and Berg County, which I don't think we've ever talked about before, because I was like Mule and Berg County, and that's the county, I don't know, Mule and Berg, like the German spelling with an H, area codes 270 and 364, population here, 4,507. So that is not much, it's a tiny place, median household income here, about half the national average, which is not good, 34,295, but luckily for them, median home cost is also insanely low, $127,300, which is like a third of the national average base. Find somewhere in the country and yeah, it has to be in a place that you've never heard of. That's the only place you're going to find that. Now a little bit of history on DePoi, I hope I'm saying that, right? It was a stop on the Illinois Central Gulf Railroad and was named for a railroad agent named Elmer DePoister. He's the DePoister. And they were like, let's just make it DePoi after him. Now on Greenville, it was settled in about 1799 here on an estate donated by a local landowner named William Campbell to establish a new seat of government for a new county. So there you go. Now it was incorporated as a city in 1848, so it took a while, it's 50 years. They think it maybe was named for the Revolutionary War General Nathaniel Green, that's the best they can do. Otherwise, they don't know. Also, it's pretty green around there. Who knows. Now, in 1987, the Encyclopedia of Kentucky refers to Greenville as the, quote, unofficial capital of the black belt, they don't want to be people. They mean production of coal and, quote, dark tobacco. Oh, Jesus. Yeah. Well, things that are great for us. Go ahead. Anything that's going to fuck up your, your breathing apparatus that they make it here. Yeah. Because of the cancer belt. A couple of reviews of this town here, there isn't much. Here is one, five stars. The job market here is very slim. I believe that. The middle of nowhere. Yeah. Yeah. The county's always been dependent upon the coal industry. And with the government applying stricter laws and regulations, many companies have either chosen to close or find different means to fuel their business. That in turn leads to the job loss across the board. Yeah. They're terrible jobs and the terrible jobs go away and there's no job. So it's like, well, I guess it's one of those terrible jobs. It's not like the CEO of a company's noticing some loss and he started an only thing. Yeah. He's like, well, I guess I'll sell pictures of my feet. Now four stars here. The area is great because of how friendly and welcoming everyone is. It is a beautiful town that is growing. Is it? It's growing. How much is it growing? I mean, yeah. We only have, well, we only have, it's growing. We had 4,800, like 10 years ago. Now it's 5,100. So they're 4,800, 4,900. We're doing great. Three stars here. One thing I like about Greenville is the fact that everyone knows everyone, I don't like that. It's a small town and I always love going to Walmart and seeing people reunite with the people they haven't seen in a while. This is their social center here is Walmart. Literally I go there. Oh, I saw that. My buddy from high school. Like, what a, that's strange, right? My balls came through my undies. I'm going to go see Tom down at Walmart and see if he can sell me some new ones. However, I've met a lot of ignorant people in this town and that saddens me. People who yell racial slurs, I'd like to see change in the future. Yeah. You know, less people is just indiscriminately yelling racial slurs would probably be better for everyone. Sure. Sure do. Hope down the road. Yeah, recognize the error of that, maybe in the 2100s, we'll figure that out down here. We don't know. I don't wish for anyone to feel uncomfortable and unsafe in any town. However, it's a problem in Greenville, Kentucky and it has to change. Okay. Things to do in this town. Oh, it is the hogs, H A W G S because Harley is very litigious, by the way. You can't name an event in a bar, something with hog in it, they will fucking sue you. They will send you a season to assist. They're crazy. The word hog, they own that shit and you're not allowed to use it. David, tell that to Arkansas. Well, they have actual hogs there. I'm talking about when if you're referring to a motorcycle and you're calling it a hog. Is that what they're doing? Yes, they're referring to hogs, hogs, bogs and brews, bike and jeep night. It's called. Oh. WCW Wrestling used to have a show called "Hog Wild." That was at Sturgeon. They had to change it to road wild because Harley said we're suing you What you can't use the word hog. We own it. Yeah, they don't own hog do that. Yeah, that's a Real American old time it come is sue you for using hog. It's so funny there. They're corporate is shit Everybody acts like they're like some stupid thing to sue about but you guys get out of prison and then put a Harley Share it on and they're like cool, right? Yeah, they're really cool. They're not corporate at all hog. Yep So this is on May 30th here, so you can still have time. There's motorcycles jeeps cold beers and lav music Huh, that's everything there I would say and then this next one not a lot to do here But I just like the name of it the squash and gobble arts and crafts festival Squash and gobble I don't know it looks like crafts. It's a bunch of crafts It's a gobble about I don't know and Brian Wiggins and Swift Silver will be playing There along with the local honeys and Evan Galen so galleon so there you go that says this is not good No, it's small so you're not it's gonna be tough there But if you don't have a Jeep or a Harley you're asked out on everything you got not well I I just assume if you live here you have a four-wheel drive vehicle or motorcycle or both It's I think that's what they're assuming. I don't know Play so I don't both of them are vehicles that wave at each other if they see the other absolutely. Yeah, they all do it to each other Those are waivers. I that's one thing. I never want any vehicle that puts me in a club That's the wave community never ever that's if I'm looking at cars What do you look at for something that no one will wave at me in that's what I'm looking for something I'm not a part of a fucking anything. I don't want to be a part of your community I think the Subaru community has an acknowledgement of some sort I don't know what it is. I don't know what the lesbian hand signal is There's a some sort I'm not sure I'm one of these I'm not positive of what it is exactly. I think that's the wave. I'm not sure It's we can say that because lesbians love us by the way We have tons of lesbian listeners and they're laughing the hardest at that. That's why we don't mind But there's also a bet I'll bet you dollars don't it's the forerunner community is the next one that does it Oh, no, well because that community is fucking deep. There's a lot of them now. There's a very common car. Yeah. Oh boy That's it's got to be the jeep wave leading the jeep wave is to try to get you to come over to the side of the road and help them They're broken down. Yeah. Hey, I can need a Hi, my seat doesn't work either. I'm stuck here. Yeah All right, let's talk about a murder here. All right now as of we're gonna go to 1999 here. Yeah, okay So in this place picture about 1963. That's about the equivalent here. You know what I mean? Now deploy at this point. It's an unincorporated community It's and I'll describe it from this article here sitting just down the gravel road from Greenville. Oh boy So I mean, there's you got to take a gravel road It's so small that it has, you know, not a lot. It has no city government. No, you know, welcome sign no mayor none of that shit here It's just basically a bunch of some mobile homes a railroad bed running through the woods and a restaurant called John and Su's That's the town Wow, that's the entire town some trailers Yeah, the tracks that used to be more active and a rest of John and Sue now There's a road here called Wimberley Lane not really a road. It's gravel about an eighth of a mile long gravel path essentially and It's named for a family that's lived there for two generations or the only people who live on this gravel path is this family and that's it's called Wimberley Lane Yes, and there are three households that we'll talk about here Now the matriarch and patriarch here Adele and Eugene Wimberley They have a small house where they live their house is actually like attached to the ground and everything They raised two daughters there Beverly and Jean Yeah, and we're gonna have to remember all these names here now Beverly married this will be easy to remember married a guy named wedding. So that's easy. We know she got a man. Yeah, she married Todd Wedding Oh last name god last name. Yeah, Beverly marries. So she's now Beverly wedding Todd is a newspaper guy. Oh Okay And not he's like an editor for the local newspapers. Yeah delivers newspapers. Oh, oh, okay. Yeah Not he's a 12-year-old. Yeah, it's not a journalist or anything you Jimmy went. Oh, look at that. He's like no, no, no hold on a minute back it off He's got a sunroof that he cut in the top of his car of his jeep Yeah, it takes the teetops Throws him out So they get married Then Jean marries Johnny Vincent who works for a local food distributor So, so we got they're both married off Jean and Johnny and Beverly and Todd, okay Both daughters each had a son All right, now Beverly had a son named Terry and Jean and Johnny Vincent had a son named Joey Okay, okay now Jean and Johnny got a son named Joey Jean and Johnny got Joey and Beverly and Todd have Terry Okay, now by the late 90s. These are grown men the sons. They've grown into grown men They have their own houses on the same gravel path. Yep, so everybody yeah, you just put another trailer down at the end I think is a lot of the kind of family roads. It's kind of what they do that another. Yeah. Yeah, mobile home or they'll build a small house or whatever Now Adele the Matriarch here described this she said It was a village raising all that all the children and everybody relied on each other trusted each other a lot with that Terry a little bit younger. She's watching a video of the kids and she said Terry doesn't look like he quite knows what to do He looks like he's trying to find somebody to help him figure out what to do all the time so a little lost a little lost and So as of 1999 living on Wimbledon here we have Beverly wedding who is like we said Adele and Eugene's daughter Manville Todd wedding. His name's manville wedding. That's Todd that's much easier to deal with Now Beverly's 56 years old in 1999 so imagine Adele and Eugene. They're like 112. Yeah, very old Maryville or manville wedding here is 59 Todd and then Terry wedding their son is 27 at this point. Yeah, okay So they all live in the same house here now Beverly Here she has worked for 15 years as a district circulation manager for the Evansville courier Which is she's the manager of the she'd be able to have the papers. She tells you which house is to throw a paper at I feel like that's what that is Tells us who's paid up so that they can get a paper exactly She was reportedly at this point trying to retire but the paper wouldn't let her retire which I don't understand wouldn't let you Here's what you do you don't go there anymore and now you're retired I don't know what no one can force you not to retire you don't have to train your replacement and then you can go Yeah, she's not playing for the Lakers. It's only she's under contract or something and she's got a you know You got two more years on your deal pal, you know, we gave you a signing bonus So we're taking a salary cap hit this year Come on. Yeah, the cap hits huge this year got to help us out here Now Adele said here. She said Beverly was a really likable person a lovable person never had a care in the world She wanted to retire last year, but they wouldn't let her I said Beverly don't be such a good hand and maybe they'll get rid of you Stop being so good at your job Then I don't find somebody else stop performing. Oh, oh, I can't retire. Okay. Oh, I made a few mistakes this week. Sorry about that How about now yeah, quite strange. Yeah, exactly just a Kentucky style in a long time ago. Stop showing up Yeah, that's it. I've done that many times just hey, guess what? I guess I don't work here anymore didn't have to formally put any paperwork in So she is a the family goofball is how her family describes her in a good way. She likes to you know Sing Christmas songs in a funny way and shit like that around Christmas and everything like that also very sentimental She kept uh terries very her for his first stuffed animal that she gave to him when he was a baby. She kept that in her bedroom He's 27 now. So that's very sentimental. She's got his Teddy Yeah, now she has been married to Todd for about 40 years Um, and he helped he helped Beverly deliver the Sunday edition of the end Evansville Career um, he's described as quiet and honorable His older sister said quote Todd was my younger brother. There was only two of us Everybody liked my brother. He's friendly. He's honorable and just a very fine man honorable. Yeah, very honorable Yeah, that paper is square on your porch every morning He's honorable 59 so they've been married For you never it's it. Yeah, they got married 18 19 years old and that's it. It's stuck together It's stuck together and from what I understand everybody likes Todd. Great guy. He's honorable James honorable man. What do you want? June 15th 1999 Beverly called her younger sister's daughter. Okay All right, um Calls uh her so her niece that would be yeah her niece Amy and tears asking for a ride to the courthouse Yeah, okay now Beverly had decided. Amy, by the way, is Joey's wife. Yeah. Jean and Johnny's son's son, Joey's wife. Okay. So there you go. So her niece and law, I guess would be the best to say here. And asking for a ride to the courthouse, because Beverly and Todd decided they had to take out a, quote, mental health warrant on their own son, Terry. Basically, they, they called for some help. Gotta come pick them up in an ambulance and take them somewhere, basically. They call that, huh? I guess I, I never heard of a mental health warrant before. I've never heard of that either. But I, you know, I guess, I mean, I, I get what they're getting at though. Yeah. They need help. He's, yeah, he's not doing well. Yeah. Terry is born about 1971. He's the owner of 72. I mean, he's the only child of Todd and Beverly graduated high school at Madisonville, North Hopkins high school and went to also life Christian Academy in Madisonville. So by 1990, 90s, 27, he is described as this. He's a big guy. Oh, but relatives describe him having a higher, a very high pitched voice. Oh, really? He's got a lot of those guys. And they said, basically, his family said it was a feminine voice. It had a very feminine voice. Yeah. And it doesn't match. The chair from the Howard Stern show. It's, it's weird. It's strange. It doesn't match his frame at all. It's just one of those things. He's like Mike Tyson. You look at, you know, like, oh my god. He's a scary man ever. And you're like, oh my god. He talks like someone's little sister who's teeth have come in. Yeah. He also took a lot of karate. Big into karate. His uncle said this, quote, he had kind of a feminine type of voice. He was a big, big guy. Well built. And his voice certainly didn't fit his size. And I'm almost positive. That's gotten him into trouble. He probably was bullied. Terry took karate, martial arts, probably for self-defense. I guess he got very good at it. Somebody would say it didn't, somebody would say it didn't, they didn't like the tone of his voice or something. And they would be sorry to say that later. Oh, so yeah, if you made, you made fun of his voice, which probably they was made fun of author school. Yeah. It's like Colin Marty McFly a chicken. He's just not having it. It's now it's fighting words. That's the one. Yeah. His family described him as, quote, almost like an incredible Hulk. His other uncle said they were, they were very muscular. I don't know they, it's just him. They were very muscular. Well, I guess he could, he's very ahead of his time, I guess this guy in Kentucky in 1998. So 40 years. He's like, listen, I don't want to, you know, he said, they were very muscular. He sure, he sure was lifted weights, but he sure was built, almost like an incredible Hulk. He's got some priors. A fourth degree assault charge in 1993, which was dismissed. Got cited for no insurance in 1996. But that, there's a component. I'm thinking about it. Fourth degree, yeah, I think it's you go, you consider that person didn't like your breath, I think is how it works there. Ah, would you have for lunch? Jesus, that's a salt. That's bad. Also a guilty plea to improperly displaying registration tags in 1996, where he had the, I mean, he was really hit hard by the courts with a $67.50 fine. So he's that small dumb shit that really maybe gotten a fight in a bar, you know, drove around with no insurance when he was in his early 20s who cares. He's a deer and turkey hunter. And he also, I don't know how he did this in the middle of nowhere, but he sold knickknacks out of his parents house. I don't know how you do that pre Etsy like in the middle of nowhere. Yeah. No one's driving by. It's dead end gravel road. I guess that's theft in it because you don't have knickknacks at your mom's shit. He like makes shit, I guess. Really? Yeah. Like, or goes to junk yards. I does all sorts of weird shit. He had at least one time we know he had a girlfriend at one point. So he's not a complete social, you know, prior or whatever. Yeah, he actually had somebody be able to be good enough to have sex with him. So that's nice. Yeah. By 1998, they're sorting out Terry's problems. They're figuring out that he's got some issues. Yeah. And doctors diagnosed him with bipolar disorder. Oh, okay. And that makes more sense to everybody now because he has some swings and, you know, he's happy for three days. He's depressed. He's, you know, he's got the typical kind of manic thing going on here. His mother, I guess, here came home crying, Beverly and told the news to a relative. One of the family members said, Beverly came to my house tears streaming down her face and Beverly said he has a chemical imbalance of the brain, which makes it sound even worse. That sounds, that sounds terrible. And that's what, I mean, that's what she probably said. What is that? And the doctor said it's a chemical imbalance of your brain. And then she just took that and that makes sense, you know. So Terry was prescribed lithium for his bipolar disorder. And that was a, that's kind of the, that's usually they'd hit you with that when it was bad because lithium strong. That's an extreme one. That's, that's really strong. Well, also in 98, when you got diagnosed, that's when the new, there's a lot of new drugs coming out at that point that treated this and stuff like that. But lithium was still, I don't know if that got to Kentucky yet. Got to the hills. Yeah. The prosax and such. I'm not sure. So they still use it as a mood stabilizer. Yeah. It's still in use. It's just it's just a factor. Yeah. But people don't like it because it makes some style. They don't feel like themselves is what they always say. And generally they don't get the highs of the manion. That's what they enjoy. That's the problem. And that's why a lot of like bipolar people, known a lot of bipolar people and read a lot about this. A lot of bipolar people stop taking their medication because they miss the highs. And being, being manic is fucking great. It's great. In your brain, it feels great. Things you're doing aren't perfect, but you feel great. You're up for days. You feel in good. You feel like you're accomplishing things. Your brain's, you know, snapping. And then you take this and everything slows down and you don't feel like yourself. And you want that high of the mania again. That's why a lot of bipolar people will stop taking medications to get the mania's back. They like the manic periods of it. You know, I wish, I guess makes sense. I feel like everything's clicking for him in there. I don't know, I don't know that I have that. I know that I don't have that. No, you're unipolar. You're just depressed. Yeah, yeah. I've got a baseline of bottom. Yeah, you're unipolar. But the medications that I was prescribed just numb and you feel nothing. That's the problem. I'm incapable of being like that. One thing bipolar people have is they feel things. They feel up. They feel down and just go from that to feeling as hard for people sometimes. So to have that just heart chart baseline is that's not fun. Yeah, it's tough. That makes sense. And when you're mad at you feel invincible. So I mean, it's like we feel good. Now by Christmas 1998, he's on his medication and things are looking it looks like a different person now. He's now that his brain is slowed down and can process and everything. Things are working. It's what's working out. It's supposed to for him. Yeah. Then by early to mid-June 99, nobody knows why he just stopped taking his medication. Couldn't do it anymore. And a lot of people also, if they feel good, they'll go, well, I don't need it anymore. I feel good now. They don't realize that that's the reason they feel good. So it's tough. The force beyond the trees thing. Exactly. So Terry, he has a favorite cousin and that's Joey. That is Jean and Johnny's kid. Yeah. Joey Vincent. He's born September 30th 1969. He's 29 years old in in June of 99. And he's got a wife and he's doing great. He's got a wife named Amy. She's 22. And yeah. So he's 29, 22. Yeah. They live about 100 yards across the yard from the weddings. Okay. So they're there. They have a gray mobile home where Joey lives with Amy and they have a little baby who is one to two years old, little toddler named Brooklyn. So he's got to look at them and be like, what the fuck? Why can't I get it together? Yeah. Joey's only two years older than me, but yet he has a wife and a kid in his own place. And I live with my parents and don't have anything. And that's, yeah, you do get jealous of same age cousins sometimes. I would think, I don't know. I'm not, I don't know. I don't really care. I'm not. I could see it. I could see it though. Yeah. For sure. I've, I have seen it. I've seen it happen. I've seen the oldest cousin. So I don't have anybody to gauge mine against it. Yeah. The next one is like 10 years younger than me. So fucking, I don't know what they're doing. Yeah. I don't know. We tend to root for each other in my, my, my cousin is eight years older than me and he works for us. And he's happiest can be and couldn't be more thrilled for anything that happens with us. I go in 10 years younger than me and I'm just going, you're going to get divorced any day now. You're just thrusting your shit upon him. I like that. Yeah. Good luck, fucker. I know that voice in his head. That's great. So Joey and Terry, they're, they're like best friend cousins growing up. You have the cousin that you're closest to and that's, that's them. There's home videos of those two from toddlers, to tricycles, to always together, always hanging out. Now Joey here, he apparently Joey is a very, as a teen. He really hit a stride. He was very confident and a lot of friends had girlfriends. He went to four high school proms. God damn. Yeah. Joey was a lady's fan. He played basketball at at Graham High School. so he was an athlete. He had kind of all the stuff Terry didn't have, basically. - Right. - So it's one of those things. That was Joey's Terry school cousin. - Right. - Now, 1999, by that time, Joey had been on the Greenville Police Department for eight years. And he's a cop. - He started in '91. A fellow officer said, Joey and I were at one of our softball games one evening. And Joey explained to me that he had applied for the Greenville Police Department. And you know, I wasn't surprised because I knew Joey had the personality and the love for his community and the love for the people. - All right. - And small town police force too is a different kind of thing. You're mainly talking to people in that, you know what I mean? It's not a, there's not so much crime that you're just trying to catalog it. It's mainly just, oh, they're fighting again. Let's make sure they don't hit each other. You know, it's kind of that more of that thing when it's only 400 people. - Let's go calm down and give Pete a ride to his mom's house. - Yep. - I assume you're probably spending a lot of your times at the same trailers. - Yep. - I'm again, okay. He's also a pastor or the pastor of the new Cyprus Baptist church in the community of Graham nearby. - Off the young fella. - Yeah, he wanted to train as a chaplain as well. And a Greenville city council member said, he's laid back and easy going and just gone back to full-time work from the baby being born and all that. He's very good at his job. We never had a minute's trouble with him. - How about it? - Joe is a good guy. A friend tells a story of asking Joey to officiate his wedding as well. After me and my wife became engaged, I asked Joey if he would care to officiate the wedding. At the time, he was joking about it, but he told me he said it would be an honor for him to do it. Didn't acceptional job. - I believe it. - Yeah, why not? Everybody likes him basically in the whole community. It's good enough. - Since he was a kid. He actually, as we'll talk about it, he has to take Terry into custody at one point and then cries his eyes out afterwards 'cause he didn't wanna do that. And then he told his partner, he'd do it again though 'cause it was the right thing to do. - Have to. - That's just-- - That's the honorable thing to do. - Type of guy he is. He's an honorable man, Jimmy. - Yeah, that's right. He met his wife Amy. This is a little odd here. A fellow. - Seven years younger. - And a fellow officer came to the house one. Our Joey said, this is a fellow officer talking. Joey came to the house one day and he said, and I quote, "I think I found the one." And I said, "Joey, what are you talking about?" And he said, "I'm in love. I found the person I'm gonna marry." - Oh, no. - Don't say it. - Okay. Well, Amy Hambrick is, was her maiden name here. They met in 1995. So four years earlier when she was 18 and he was 25. - That's fine. - He was on duty and he was called to break up a party at the hill, which is a hill in DePoi where everybody, the kids go to drink. - So high school kids? - Yeah. - Underage drinking. Well, just an underage drinking. That's where they go. And that's where Amy was. That's how he met her. He was called to break up a party. And he didn't arrest her or write her a ticket. He let her off with a warning and then a couple of weeks later he asked her out. Which seems not completely honorable if you're looking at it. - A little unethical, right? - If they don't get married and live happily ever after, you go, oh, that's not great. But if they get married and they live happily ever after, then it's fine, I guess, right? - I don't know. - I mean, then it's okay, it's not like predatory because she's reciprocating and they have a baby. It's fine. - It did take two years for them to make her pregnant, which is good. Well, I took that back. He took her two years to have the baby. They made it, I don't know. - Well, they met in 1995 and they had a baby in '98. '97, '97, right? That's two years old. - So they're probably pregnant in '98, probably pregnant in '97. So two years, I think they got married '96. So they got married in August of '96 as a matter of fact. So they only knew each other for a year. Terry did not attend the wedding. - Oh. - No one really understood what he just had to. Basically, they kind of said he had social anxiety, but there's something there. One of the relatives said, I do know that a lot of times, socially, Terry had more anxieties. And he definitely preferred to be by himself or around smaller groups of people, probably just with his mom and dad. Yeah, he's a little more, you know, not as outgoing as Joey here. Now, after the wedding, Joey and Aimee decided to live on Adele and Eugene's land on Wimberly Lane because Joey wanted to be close to the family. So they put up, they put a mobile home in there, directly across the road from Beverly and Todd and Terry. There they are. So 1997 in July is when Brooklyn is born. So they got pregnant two months after they got married. They walked down the aisle and said, let's start trying. - Yeah. - And there they are. So good for them. They had the daughter Brooklyn and Beverly and Todd are always babysitting her and they lover and always playing with her and all that kind of thing. June of 1999, Aimee is pregnant with their second child. She's four months pregnant. - Going again. - Yeah. - Going again. Now, Aimee has a job too. She's a waitress at John and Sue's restaurant. - Restaurant, yeah. - These people are deploy through and through and they are the town. So she's a waitress there and very popular. Everybody knows her because she's the waitress and the only diner in only restaurant in town. Her coworker said she's always joking and loving on everybody and that kind of thing. They said, the owner of John and Sue's said that Aimee was the type of person that on a Friday night shift, she'd give half of her $20 and tips to a fundraiser collecting for cancer research. - She'd take 10 bucks home tonight. - Yeah, and that's all she'd take home because she was just nice like that. So Terry, on the other hand, talked about Joey. Joey's thriving, wife, baby, another kid on the way, job, church, he's got all sorts of things. Terry, his uncle said, is a little bit of a loner. And when asked if what Terry wanted to be when he grew up, his uncle said, I'm not aware that Terry really wanted to do anything. - I don't think Terry wanted to grow up. - Yeah, that's what it is. He's still living at home, mom and dad are providing for him and one relative said, I thought it was strange that he was still at home at his age. I don't know if Beverly and Todd ever encouraged Terry to get out on his own or not. - Yeah. - I don't think he's capable of it because I think he's too unstable. I think they want to keep an eye on him, make sure he thinks it's medication and things like that. - That was odd, mind your own fucking business. - Yeah, now Joey started to get mad at Terry for how Terry treated his parents. - Oh. - Started to get pissed off that he was mean to his aunt and uncle here. Joey's aunt and uncle. One of the relatives said, Joey would get a little upset at the way Terry would treat his mother and father, Beverly and Todd. Terry wasn't showing them any respect. He was unpredictable, his behavior was erratic and he could go from almost hot to cold, just like in the snap of a finger. - Yeah, and Terry, you don't own this place. - No, and he's off his medication. That's what happens. And before they knew he was bipolar, they just called him weird all the time. And he's like, "Terry's a fucking weirdo." Like, wow, he's got some mental illness is the problem. - He's got an issue. - Tuesday, June 15th, 1999. Beverly, wedding, picks up the phone and calls Amy at home, okay. Beverly is terrified. That's the problem. Terry's been off his meds for over two weeks and he's starting to really be wacky here. - Yeah. - That's when Beverly said she needs a ride to the courthouse and Amy said, okay, and took her to the courthouse. Now, this is, she went to the courthouse to take out a 72 hour mental health warrant, known in Kentucky as an emergency protection slash involuntary admission order against her own son. - Wow. - An officer involved said for Beverly and Todd to see the need to have a mental health warrant signed against Terry. I mean, I knew it had to be bad for them to go that far. They saw that there. They saw that there was a threat to himself or somebody else. So the warrant gets signed by a judge. Now, it has to be served by a member of law enforcement. - Oh, it's an actual, it's like a, it's a welfare check with an involuntary. - With a place to go. Yeah. - So they're taking, yeah. - Exactly. - So Joey says he'd do it because he knows him. He doesn't want Terry to get hurt. He doesn't want anything to go down. - His cousin, his cousin's gonna serve it. - Yeah, which makes sense for Joey because he's thinking this is the right thing to do because I don't want him freaking out and having officers having to beat him up or anything like that because he's a big guy too and he knows karate and all this shit they might have to shoot him. He's like, if I go over there, he'll come with me, you know? - Is there a way he can do this plain clothes so that it just feels like a family taking him for a ride somewhere? - I'm sure, he can. I'm sure he doesn't have to go over there and introduce himself as officer Vincent. I'm sure he can say, yeah, he can say, Terry. So Joey's shift partner said, quote, "I enjoy," and then he stops. Joey called me right at time for him to come to work and said that Beverly and Todd had signed a mental health warrant against Terry and that he was gonna help serve it. He felt like things would go smoother if he was in there. - Yeah. - 'Cause he can make contact. - That's the same one. - Yeah. - So he does, he thinks it'll help defuse the situation so he goes with a deputy from the Muleenburg County Sheriff's Office. They knock on the door, they tell Terry has to come with them. The sheriff, Jerry Mayhew, said there was a small altercation. He resisted right away. But we have this with the mentally ill all the time. It's common, quite common. So even with his cousin there, resisted. Yeah, Joey needed to physically restrain him and put him in handcuffs. He wouldn't come just voluntarily. He was going to just have him come with him, but they had to actually cuff him down and everything. Terry threatens Joey during the arrest and, you know, he's freaking out. They said threats. The sheriff said during a mental health pickup, threats are the routine. They're, they're not together. So they're just throwing out things, you know what I mean? So they said that basically Joey had to chase Terry down. Terry tried to run. You know, Joey was chased him down, helped cuff him and all that kind of shit. And Joey called his officer friend back that night and said that the guy said he called me back and he said it got quite physical. How Terry didn't want to go, but he needed it. Now Adele, grandma here. She said that I, I do know, oh, this is from somebody else talking about Adele. I do know that Adele and Joey's grandmother told me that he just stood in the yard and bald, meaning Joey did, like he just sobbed because he had to do that. So that's tough. So then they drove. Tell the grandfather. I guess, yeah. So they then drive him to the Western state hospital in Hopkinsville. He's at the hospital from June 15th to June 23rd. Now he's, you can only hold him for 72 hours. After 72 hours, the patient is entitled to a hearing to determine whether they should be held longer. Now Terry was completely pissed off the entire time he was in there, mad at his parents. He refused to see anybody as family tried to see him. He wouldn't see anybody. Grandma Adele said Terry was angry all the time. He was up there at Western state and he didn't want to see any of the family. So he gets a hearing. Adele doesn't attend. Now the hospital determines that he's no longer, no longer meets the legal threshold of imminent danger to himself for others. So they had to let him go, so that him go after a week there. So now Wednesday, June 23rd, 1999, Terry's brought home to his parents' house, where he who he's pissed off at. And Joey's across the street and he's not real thrilled with him either. So Joey shows up at work, June 24th. And his shift partner asked him how it went, basically, you know, Terry coming home and everything. He said, I asked him, I said, well, do you think he's made any progress? And Joey's exact words was, he seems a little bit frustrated. I said, how do you feel knowing that you were a part of serving this warrant? And he said, I do it again. But then he said, but Amy's concerned she was scared that something was going to happen. She's scared of Terry. So Amy's like, well, I don't want to be home and he's across the street and he's mad at us and all that. So that day, the 24th of June, Amy is worried. She shows up unannounced at a friend's house and sits down. And her friends said, I was at my house and Amy came in that night. She said, I want to come see you because I'm not going to live much longer. She said, we're not going to live much longer. And this is probably going to be the last time I see you. And I just want to sit here and have some coffee and tell you, I love you. What's that about? That is crazy. I'd be, I'd do like 50 her. I was going to say, do you have postpartum or something? Like this, she seems like she needs a hold. Let's go to the courthouse and get that warrant. That sounds sad. Like, yeah, are you going to hurt yourself or others? Someone else is going to hurt you. They said she never said specifically her concerns regarding Terry, but Amy was scared to be by herself. She felt like somebody was watching her. And that was Amy's conversation. That's when she came, that was why she came to see me. She felt like she was being watched and she was just uncomfortable. Now around that same time, Amy's telling co-workers at the restaurant that she's afraid of Terry. Because Terry's mad at Joey, basically, and he's right across the street. The owner of the restaurant said though that he and Joey had discussed the situation. And Joey didn't think there was any imminent danger. He just thought she was, you know, there's a baby around. She gets scared and, you know, go around and nest and see how the mother animal acts when you go near their babies. They don't like it. Understandable. Not very chill. They get a little uptight about it. So in late June, like we said, he's off his meds. He got out of the out of the place and he's off his meds. And it's not great. Now it's bad stuff. He said that basically he had the delusional belief that he was telling people that we're not family. Like he had his belief that like these were in his, this wasn't his family anymore. And like they've been replaced by pod people or some shit. Like he was spinning out. Well, it was really having a tough time here. Basically, like this is like a psychotic mania, like he's just out of it. So Sunday, June 27th, 1999, at 6.15 a.m. Okay. Joey, officer, officer, pastor, Joey here. He is taking Brooklyn to the hospital. Okay. Uh, she's been, she's been sick all night. So they're taking him to the hospital here. There's she's he's carrying the kid out to the family car. So, um, Amy can drive her to the emergency room because he has to work. So Amy's going to drive her to the emergency room and he's going to them go to work, I believe. She's been sick all night, the baby. Um, now they said, they should be home by lunch. You know, it won't be that busy at the yard. It's fine. The Thursday morning. And, um, there you go. Now Terry, just across the street, and Joey's walks out the front door of his trailer. Terry here, uh, is sitting in his kitchen window, about a hundred yards away watching. Okay. And he's watching for Joey. He's pissed off for Joey. And he has a high-powered deer hunting rifle in his hand. Yeah. And he's very, he's very good at shooting one thing. He's a good. He's a hunter. That's what he does. That's Turkey's in shit, don't he? Yeah. Turkey's in deer. Yep. Yeah. So when Joey comes out from a hundred yards away, Joey shoots Terry or Terry shoots Joey through the window. Wow. Shoot him and drops him. Hit him. Hit him. Joey collapses next to the car. Oh, fuck. Amy comes running out of the house. Uh-huh. Toward the car when she hears this and sees this and jumps into the car. And, uh, we'll talk about this here. Um, 9-1-1 call comes in at this point. Okay. Um, it's been a, it's pretty quiet this day. It's a summer day and, you know, not a, not a busy day here. Uh, what is it? A Sunday? I believe it's a Sunday today. So yeah. So easy day. Um, uh, mainly like welfare checks and shit like that. They're getting calls for, but they get a call saying the shots fired, uh, on Wimberly Lane. So Derek Hembrick, um, here is Amy's brother. He was staying overnight with Joey and Amy that night because Brooklyn was sick and they needed help. Yeah. He heard the gun shots looked outside, saw Terry and saw, he had a big long gun and he was walking toward them after he heard the shot. So he called 9-1-1. Now the police arrive and the state troopers, and they cut off the lane. They converge on it and close it down. And, uh, the chiefs, our assistant chief said, I saw Joey lying between the door and the car with the car door forward. And I ran to Joey to check a pulse on him and didn't find one. I knew in my heart he was gone. He said, then I got inside the car and checked on Amy. She was leaning across her, uh, across her arm was leaned on the console kind of like she was trying to start to be, but she didn't have a pulse either. No, been shot either. Now the main question is, what do you think? What do you mean? What do I think? Where's the baby? Yeah. And that I was going to say, where the fuck is, is Terry too? They're looking to, you know, victims here. Where's the one year old? She's not in the car. No. So Derek, the brother runs out and tells the cops, he's got her. The Terry came over, he took the baby, shot Amy in the car and then took the fucking baby and took off. He's gone with the baby. Oh my god. So he said, he shot Joey through the window. And then he walked to the car and shot Amy, then he took Brooklyn, then he went back to the house. Oh, Jesus. Just picked her up and fucking walked away. So this is terrifying. They're like, holy fuck, this is crazy. They killed a cop, his wife, and then stole the baby. This is insane. And her unborn. And well, yeah, that's an unborn child too, but I'm more worried about the fuck. Yeah, the one that's the one that's alive and actually a human person at this point has a name, has a name and a social security number. Yeah. Get me some paperwork on that. And yeah, we'll worry about the right. We'll worry about that one later. But this one is, you know, it's alive and missing at this point, this poor child. So at this point, they barricaded everything. They know where he is. He's in his house and he has possession of a one year old. They don't know if the one year old's okay. So the state police start arriving in bunches here. I mean, this is a big deal. Huge big deal. They said that they said, quote, probably one of the scariest parts of my life was there wasn't a whole lot of cover between where me and the officers, other officers were at the house. We didn't know which window he'd shot Joey through. So we ended up taking cover until the state police got there. Yeah, we're just sitting out here and we have no idea what that he has on us or turkeys for this man. Yeah. Yeah. One of them said they had guns drawn because we didn't know exactly what kind of weapons Terry had. So yes, they were prepared if he decided to shoot at them to shoot back. back. Then one said I was concerned that Terry might try to use Brooklyn as a hostage. I mean, he had just killed her parents and taken her in the house with him. And we have no idea what he will or won't do at that point. What the fuck other reason would he have to have her? It's crazy. So it's seven, twenty in the morning. This is going on. At one point, not very long after this, I mean, under an hour, Terry just comes out. He comes out of the house and he's holding Brooklyn. Hold him the baby. They don't tell them. The officers just everybody pauses because he's got a baby. So they're like, Oh, shit. You can do anything at this point. So until they get him to put the kid down, they're not going to arrest a Russian or do anything. Look, one cop said I didn't tell him that he was going to be arrested. I just told him that we needed to talk to him. And so he walked out the front door and stands there for a second with the baby and then just puts the baby down and surrenders without any resistance. But he does ask for a cigarette. Yeah. So I'd like a cigarette, please. It turns out the cop said biggest concern when he came out of the house is that Brooklyn was in the line of fire. When he came out, he actually placed Brooklyn down and he surrendered. I went straight for Brooklyn. I wrapped her up in a raincoat and actually took her to the ambulance and just the sense of relief to see that she was okay. And for a brief moment, then reality hit you again. Turns out he gave the baby snacks, gave her some ice cream and a banana. He took her in the house, just started babysitting. Yeah. And put the cartoons on and put a banana. Here's a banana and some ice cream like just like nothing happened. It was weird to shit. They said then the chief when he gets inside, chief Darren Harvey of Greenville said when we moved the portable fireplace, that's where the weapons were. And we found the combat rounds were set up in every room. He had it set up to he was ready to use this. Yeah. This was he was going to go down. This was going to be his alamo. Yeah. Basically it. They said combat rounds or where you set up two bullets or ammo side by side where you can pick them up and load them quickly. And then you have them in every room. So you don't ever run out. You can fire walk by, grab it and put that in. He was prepared for basically war with a with a bolt action. I guess so. If you have cover and you're a good shot. Yeah. And why not? So the other question is where the fuck are Todd and Beverly? Yeah. Where are they? His parents. Yeah. They enter the house. They don't find Todd. They don't find Beverly. They find all these you know, weapons and they find ammo positioned everywhere. And the vehicle, which is a dodge and trepid. Oh, they find that outside. It has a wet interior. Like someone tried to hose out the interior of the car. It's all wet. So that's that's very strange. And the phone at the parent's house kept ringing while they're processing all this. Yeah. So the officer who was answering the phone said it was crazy because they have two dead people, including a cop and a pregnant woman. They have a cop and a pregnant woman, a baby that was just held hostage. This guy who was planning to shoot out with the cops and the phone is ringing every five minutes because people are pissed off. Their paper hasn't come this morning. So they're calling Beverly to be bitch about it. I don't worry. Tomorrow's paper will have the reason. You're going to find out a whole lot tomorrow. Don't you worry about that shit because they delivered the paper early in the morning. It's Sunday. You don't get your Sunday paper. You're pissed. Oh, that one. Yeah. Yeah. The people were calling and saying they hadn't gotten it yet. So they were like, where the fuck are Beverly and Todd? They go five a.m. to do this. They've been doing it for 15 years. And they said at that point we realized we now had two missing people also. Right. Is there nowhere to be found? So they sit Todd down at 11 o'clock in the morning for about 15 to 20 minutes. Yeah. He does not sign the waiver, relinquishing his rights, but he does agree to talk without a lawyer, but he won't sign anything. Okay. It's at that point that he admitted to everything. He admitted to the killings. He said, Yeah, I shot my cousin. I shot Amy. Yeah. If you don't, you can't force people to sign things, but if they physically ready to record it. Yeah. If we read it to you and you did it, I mean, there's workarounds there, especially in rural Kentucky in 1999. It might be a little more, you know, precise now. Do you have to establish that they know it or that they heard it? Yeah. Exactly. That they've, that they're understanding they were told is essentially all it is. Now the police officer said he was cooperative. He was not upset. Okay. So he was very kind of matter of fact. Then the second interrogation, they talked to him more at about 430 and he detailed the sequence of how everything happened. And so the cops says, quote, he went through how he killed his mom and dad and then how he killed the vincents. Yeah. They said, when we talked about his mother, his voice would break and he cried on and off. I felt bad about that one. Yeah. They said, the rights thing, by the way, they said, first of all, you understand what your rights are and you're in agreement with you still talk to me, right? And he said, yes. And they said, Terry, we need to find your mom and dad. They said, he didn't say much about that in the beginning. And I said, Terry, where's your mom and dad? So he begins to tell me that his mom and dad, they were at, they were at what he called a wildlife refuge. Okay. They're not. There's a place where he hunts and he left them out there. Yeah. Yeah. And they're not just like taking in the animals and taking pictures and shit. They're, they're there. Quote, not looking at whatever foul is there this year. No, no. They're like, let's fool the new turkey babies. They're so cute. He had beat his father with a baseball bat and he had shot his mother in the head with a 10 gauge while she was sitting in the truck. That's why he feels bad. Yeah. And then he shot Joey because he said, fuck it if I already killed them. Yeah. Now I'm going to kill Joey because I'm pissed off at him and fucking, Amy tried to get in the car to drive away and he shot her in the goddamn car. That's crazy. That's fucking ridiculous. A trooper in the room steps out of the room to dispatch a search team to the wetland area that they described and 15 feet off the road in standing water. A state trooper finds Beverly Wedding's body. 12 feet from her is Todd as well. They're both obviously pronounced dead at the scene. Terry just talks about it with like they said a surreal calm just completely calm. The cops said he told me that he took his father out to the cemetery. He said that I beat him with the baseball bat. And he had asked his mom, he had asked his dad to take him out to the cemetery to see his grandmother or something. Wanted to go see family. So Todd said, all right, fine. God damn, I'll take you out to the fucking cemetery. And he's just taking him out there for this. Yeah. Then they said, how many times did you hit him with the bat? And they said, so after you put your dad in the cemetery, did you go home and get your mother then? And he said, yes. And they said, were you in the truck when you shot your mom? And he said, quote, she never, they said, you know, she never saw what you were going to do when he said, no. So Terry had said, quote, Joey first. Now I was watching for him. That's when I put it on. And I sat there. And she said, she was sorry. She said, don't you hear me? And I put Brooklyn behind the car and I shot her twice. So Amy was in the car saying, whatever it is, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. And he said, he calmly went and put Brooklyn behind the car came back and shot her, which is cold blooded as fuck. When they said, were you angry that Joey helped? Were you mad at Joey? And he said, they said, he said, no. No, he said he would get at one point. He said, he would get very angry during the interview and say, no, that's not the reason. That's not the reason. Because they kept saying, because Joey took you in and he kept saying, no, like you don't, you're not listening to me. So what's the reason? They don't know. That's the thing. He, in his mind, who the fuck knows? I guess it makes no sense. Maybe his smallest, I don't know. In his mind, he's, he's articulated what the reason is, but nobody can gather with the fuck he's saying. But the way they look at it is all, these are the four people who were involved in committing him last time. It was Todd helped Joey chase Terry down. Beverly was the one who called and Amy was the one who drove her to the courthouse. Those four people are the cabal against him as the way he's looking at him. So they said Terry was very angry that he had to go to Western state. Joey was one of the officers who had chased him down because he ran and his father helped chase him down. Amy and the mom went to the county's attorney's office to get the warrant. So he was upset with the whole bunch. It was just a big revenge plot essentially here. So they said that that's by the way, he didn't know Amy was pregnant either. They hadn't even told it. They hadn't told that they hadn't told people yet about it. So it was, it was still I think maybe three months. So they hadn't told anybody yet. So he didn't know. So they didn't, and they didn't find out until they did the autopsy essentially. Wow. So apparently on Saturday, June 26, Terry had approached his father and said he wanted to drive over to a nearby cemetery to visit his grandmother's grave. So Todd agrees. They get out and go in there, Terry stayed home. Terry had an aluminum baseball bat already put in the car ahead of time. That Todd didn't know about. It's isolated. He attacked him with the bat. He then dumped Terry's body in the wetland. And you know, that was it. He said, he'd been hit. Terry told us he hit his father with a baseball bat and he shot his mother in the head with the 10 gauge while she sat in the truck. Then he drove back to Wimberly Lane and got Beverly. He tells his mother that he needs to she needs to come with him. That's basically said, you gotta come with me. You gotta come with me. So they said that Beverly was already in her Dodge pickup when Terry approached. He shot his mother while she sat there and then took her to the preserve and through her in the wetland and through her in the water as well. And that was right. So yeah, he drove at least one of the family vehicles the Dodge and trepid back to the property and washed it out because he had shot his mother in there. He stole about $1,200 in cash from his mother's belonging inside the house, set up all these rounds throughout the house and concealed firearms behind a portable fireplace and stashed an additional weapon in the trunk of a geoprism parked at the house, which I bet you say, but you haven't heard of that in a while in 97. That was a useful vehicle. That was a very, yeah, he's got a hatchback on that bad boy. So yeah, he said he just shot him through the parents kitchen and from his, from his confession, he said, quote, I just, I sat there. This is about Amy. She said she was sorry. She was, I said, don't you hear me? And I put Brooklyn behind the car and I shot twice. So that's fucking rough. He said, I waited for the cops. They broke me through. He said I gave her a banana. I gave her some ice cream. She was crying. Now years later, Brooklyn, who survived this, obviously, said, I think this blurry, like a dark hue over that day. While I don't remember, I was told that not only did he spare me in a sense, but he cared for me that day, just like any family member would, right, which is strange. You know, he still had like love for this baby. They said that they're right now. The cops said we're working on a motive. We're trying to nail down anything that may be more obvious to those in the community. So it just doesn't make sense. He said, Joey's about as nice a person as you'd ever meet need to do anything for you. So it doesn't make sense. Adele said this, quote, this is grandma. I kind of feel hard towards Terry. And that's an awful thing for a grandmother to say. We blame Western state. We don't understand. They shouldn't look out, huh? We put them in there and then he came out and needed this. So we don't know. They held all four funerals together on the same day. Yeah, all the police officers came and they had flags and all that stuff. It was a big thing. This is very much similar to the Axel Texas case. We had a couple weeks ago, except a lot different. See, I liked it because it was a similar type of thing, but it could happen in a different way. I mean, yeah, really, really weird. One of the library employees said, I think everyone's just in shock. You hear something like this about such a good bunch of people and you just don't believe it. You know, deep down, it's the truth, but your mind just won't let you believe it. And Adele said, I did go to the funeral on the visitation, but I didn't stay. I went home to keep Brooklyn because we kept Brooklyn while all this was going on. And I was sitting there rocking her. I watched her mom and dad pass by the house and hers, meaning going. So Terry's charged with four counts of murder. Yeah. That's it. So four counts. He's arraigned here. And it also on one kind of theft because he stole $1,200. Oh, he pleads innocent. And there's that. Now Beverly's younger sister and Joey's mother, Jean, here, Jean and Johnny, they end up raising Brooklyn, by the way. And basically they said they don't want the death penalty for Terry's. They're like, we're going to put him in death penalty. And this is the quote, quote, nothing is going to bring them back no matter what they do. What's the point? And I agree. So Terry wants a change of venue. He's like, Oh my God, everyone in this town and everyone in this county knows about this shit. The judge denied the change of venue. We don't keep it right here. Now there's several basically during all this, once they decide that the trial is going to go forward in this county, Terry decides he wants a plea. Oh, he doesn't want to do that. No. So they're going to they're going to have a plea. They have several mental health people look him over. And pretty much everybody said the same exact thing. Defense people, prosecution people. He's got bipolar. He's had two prior involuntary hospitalizations. Oh, the defense one said he's not criminally responsible. But as we know, the it's a real thin line of what that is in court. So basically they all said, yeah, he's nuts. But, you know, he's not doesn't know where not know where he is nuts type of thing. Doesn't not not understand the, you know, consequences of his actions type of deal. But they all say bipolar one disorder psychotic features. That's what they all get. So he pleads guilty, but mentally ill, which is distinct from not guilty by reason of insanity. He is. Yeah. Because this is a finding of guilt with full criminal liability, plus a court determination that he's suffering a mental illness as well. Okay. So there you go. He pleads guilty, but mentally ill, the four counts of murder. And the commonwealth withdraws its death penalty notice. And basically in in 1999 in Kentucky, they, uh, they said insanity defense is succeed at a national rate of well under one percent. Yeah, you got to be which think about how very wary of using that. Think about how many bat shit crazy people they are. It's way more than less than one percent. It's just people want vengeance. And I get it. But, you know, it's also not really, the words have definitions and mentally ill. If they're mentally ill, they're mentally ill. So what are we talking about? It's mental ill people also get a bad rap because there are lots of people that are just fine. And they utilize that fucking defense because they just don't want the heart exactly. Oh, yeah. That's what you got to, you got to parse out between what that's the problem. Yeah. Um, so basically the, uh, here comes down to sentencing. You, sir, may fuck off life without parole on each of the four counts. Oh, boy. And then they also add in the theft count to he's never getting out. Never getting out now. Wow. Um, after the hearing, um, one of the officials here said he's a very sad and emotionally young man. He's lost so many members of his family that he loved. Um, that's a sacrifice so many. He shot them all. Yeah. Um, now his uncle, William wedding, which is Todd's brother, said he doesn't buy it and he doesn't buy the defense that he killed him because of mental illness either. He says, that's just something for Terry to grab onto. Um, he said that and this guy's wife, oh, he also said that Terry, Terry had threatened to quote, get him in March of 98. So he said he threatened me too. Okay. And his wife said quote, this is his aunt quote, he's just mean. He had the best parents anyone could ask for. He's just mean is what they said. Um, yeah. But then he also said, if my brother could speak from the grave, I'm sure he'd say Terry didn't mean it. Don't do nothing to him. Yeah. So yeah, um, you can't have both ways. No, um, Brooklyn said that, you know, she was very thankful that he didn't kill her. She watched old footage on a documentary and said, that's always such a weird clip for me to watch because you want to look at them and go, oh, yeah, that's just cousin Terry, but instead you look at it and almost feel sick to your stomach. Um, he goes for some appeals in effect of assistance of counsel, not getting the appeal, uh, the failure to appeal the venue denial, which they probably should have also, uh, some sat some statutory shit, but it's affirmed. He's staying in there. Um, and she said, this is Brooklyn saying quote, I was born in July of 97, uh, to two really excited parents. They were constantly doting over me. They were constantly playing with me. I think surprising themselves with how much they could love a little human. Um, yeah. And, uh, she said this, if I could talk to Joey now, this is her father. I would say I miss you. I hope, uh, I hope I'm doing well. I hope I'm trying to help. Um, and we're okay. And thanks for the memories. So Terry here, um, incarcerated, um, he basically, yeah, they said he's been unstable. He's been stable in our medication since they arrested him. He's been fine. I'm not gonna let him not take his shit. Yeah. Um, but he's expressed remorse saying that once he got put on medication, he quote, realized what he had done at that point. He was like, Oh, fuck, they said Terry reportedly realized what he had done and immediately accepted responsibility. Uh, the trailer's gone on Wimberly Lane, Joey and Amy's trailer. Um, so everything else is still standing. Um, it's crazy, man. Greenville police department had not had another officer killed in the line of duty since then as the first time he was, and he wasn't even in the line of duty. He was, right. Taken as good into the hospital. Um, so there was a documentary called a wedding and four funerals, um, investigation discovery. That was the, oh, this was an investigation discovery episode of American monster title a wedding and four funerals here, which isn't a bad title. That's pretty good. Um, so there you go. There is greenville, deploy whatever Kentucky. That shit is crazy. That's what I mean. and this is just these little things that can just pop up that you don't even know about. And in the middle of nowhere like that, and it's just scary shit. And yeah, it was similar, like I said, had a similar kind of thing to the X-Tel Texas case. And I was like, man, that just interests me that similar but different. So if you go back and listen to that one. - This is why you gotta take care of your head, man. - This is crazy. - Oh, it's, yeah, I mean, mental health is tough. And even if you are taking care of it, even if you're on the medication, sometimes things happen. He went off his meds and then they couldn't get him back on. And it's difficult. Mental health is tough. 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