Cosmic Agency REVEALS The Prime Directive, Immersion Pods, Being A 5D Person & More

And now, from beyond our dimension, this is the Jeff Mura Vodgas. Here's Jeff. My guest is Gosha, producer of the YouTube channel Cosmic Agency, where Taigetan Pleiadian communication is shared. She is also the creator of the Space Academy Sector Earth. Gosha, welcome back, it's great to have you again. Hello, hello to you, hello to all the viewers, and thank you for having me on your ever growing show. Again, we met last time in 2021 as you just told me, no? Yes, and my channel has grown significantly since then, and there may be a lot of new people meeting you today. So can we kind of backtrack and have you tell us about your history with your communication with the Pleiadians? Yes. Well, this is the story that I told different audiences, some in the different times, but of course this is a new audience, there are some in the new people always coming on board. So let me just summarize very briefly what I am and what this is about. Well, in 2017, in December, we were introduced to the group of Taigetan Pleiadians who are aware at the time in the orbit of the Earth, as we all know, we are surrounded by the extraterrestrial people, because this is very important, they are extraterrestrial people, physical, and they are not angelic beings or light beings, even though as I always say, they also exist. And here we are talking about specific, physical, biological people who are off Earth, who have been born and raised and living outside of Earth. And Taigetan Pleiadians are not the only ones. We are constantly surrounded by the huge variety of extraterrestrial races and ships, and they all are here for different reasons, for different purposes, different operations, tasks, and well, and in 2017, we were introduced to the group. There was one board of the Taigetan Pleiadianship, Taigetan, that says star system in the Pleiadians, it has four planets, and they are the race that has been very active here with our human affairs. Of course not the only ones, like I said, but for example, if we go back to Billy Mayer, this is actually the same race that was in contact with Billy Mayer, and with that I am confirming that his case was real, it's just that at some point as we were explained, it got something happened and he didn't have the communication anymore. And after that, they do not vouch for what happened after that point. But several different photos and videos that he has shared are some of them, not all unreal. So this is the same race. They have been here, of course, not the same crew, they are always in rotation. So some of these people are not the same that were in contact with Billy Mayer. But yeah, they have started communicating with a lot of people. This has to be stated as well as I am not the only one, Robert is not the only one because Robert is my coworker in this, he is Spanish. And he does the videos in Spanish, I will explain in a second what videos. And I do the videos in English and Spanish. And we are not the only ones who were given this opportunity and privilege to be introduced to them and there were so many different people, hundreds of people around the world in different countries that they spoke to using the technology of the internet and not the only race that is using the internet to talk to people because this is something I always always always say. So our regular members will be bored with the story. But as I always have to say to the new people, the channeling is very unreliable. So it exists, of course you can channel, of course, you can telepathically connect and this is very real. It happens. However, at some point they realized, well, now we have this technology, we can talk to the people actually using internet, we can chat with them, we can enter and flood social media and they have been doing that at that time, especially before 2008 and 2017, the social media were flooded with a target in presence, they were everywhere. But of course, they were taking a star seat, you know, as people who just have some knowledge here and there, present active on forums and things like that. They were real extraterrestrial people and still are, for sure, and not just tagotans. So channeling has been discarded for that reason as an unreliable method of passing some kind of information that would be to perhaps technical for the person or, you know, too much. Because for example myself, I would not be able to trust any information that I received technically. I would not be able to transcode that, to decode that because my brain is somehow as me here is not grasping some of this more technical information. So this way talking to Zen directly and we started talking in 2017 directly almost every day about the variety of different topics, scientific, technological, spiritual, especially spiritual and metaphysical topics. And we decided to share those chats because they were mostly chats in our videos. Both I and Robert at the time had YouTube channels. I was actually at the time doing something similar to what you were doing. I was doing interviews. I had my channel, I opened Cosmic Agency as a hobby, as a hobby. And I started interviewing random people, interesting people who had some knowledge on the uniform matters and spirituality and paranormal, anything, ancient history, mysteries. And then well, this communication happened and we decided we are going to share now this information coming from this target group. And since then on my channel, Cosmic Agency, I have over 500 videos in English and the same amount, more or less, or maybe even more, I don't know, I stopped counting on variety of different topics. And very important, it's not coming from me. I do not add there my own interpretation, my opinions. It's all based on words, word by word communication with them. Of course, I would edit out some more personal things. I would clean the conversation a little bit. But the just the essence of the message, that's exactly how it was said. If the conversation was in English and I'm doing the video in Spanish, well, it's my translation. So that's my only contribution that I would translate that. So go to Cosmic Agency, we also have a website as varu.org, where all these, all the videos are actually with transcripts. So you don't have to watch 500 videos about what these extraterrestrials are saying. You can actually read the transcripts and you can go to the word search, go to, for example, look for moon or any word that interests you and the relevant transcripts with that word will come up. So you can, you can study that. I think it's awesome that the ET's are contacting us through the internet and I've been saying for quite a while now that I wish I could just get an ET on zoom from the ship and interview them directly. Oh, do you think that will ever be possible? No, I will explain why, not yet at least. Well, that has been my dream for a very long time because as a side story here, Cosmic Agency, that name has not always been just my YouTube channel. In 2011, I actually opened a metaphysical boutique in Barcelona, where I was living at the time. And it was called Cosmic Agency. My store was called Cosmic Agency, just in Spanish, Agencia Cosmica. And the reason behind that name was that I wanted to be some kind of a medium place where I can introduce the extraterrestrial race to the humans. I had that vision already in 2011. And of course, in that shop, it was just a spiritual traumatophysical shop, I was selling crystals, you know, stuff like that. But that was my vision to facilitate the more direct and open communication with them. And that's what I feel we have been doing. We have been preparing this ground and telling people about how they are normalizing the extraterrestrial subject. That's very important because you have no idea how many myths we have to bust still in our new age-conditioned mind about what the extraterrestrials are or what they are like or what they are supposed to be. People have all these preconceived ideas. Like, for example, one of them is that they are people, that they get sick. Oh my god. How can they get sick? They have all this technology. How is that possible? Well, they do have the technology, but not everything can be treated with the technology because they understand they are energy and actually a lot of these things manifest because of some kind of imbalances or deeper problems even coming from their subconscious mind. So yes, they can get sick and many times when they do, we dealt with many of them getting sick throughout the years. The reasons are many. They try to deal with this naturally. I don't think you really addressed why they can't get on Zoom and join me for an interview. Well, yes, I didn't mention that and actually the main reason is that they are not allowed because as a target employee in race, they form part of the larger, mega structure, galactic structure and that's a galactic federation or the galactic federation of planets. And that federation has its own rules, all kinds of bureaucracy around earth, what races can and cannot do when it comes to affairs with the humans. And one of those rules states clearly that the extraterrestrial people, extraterrestrials, they cannot be seen by the humans, they cannot be heard by the humans, even though we heard the audio a few times, but it was, well, it was done in a different way, sort of a other story there. But in general, it's not allowed, it's against the law against any type of regulation. And they are not allowed to be seen, to be revealing who they are when they are on earth. Because many of them, the viewers will be surprised or not, are constantly on earth. Not just I get this, maybe those less actually, but one of the most numerous race that is constantly on earth mingling with humans, even mingling on a political level, many of them being politicians inserted there by the galactic federation, they are called centauri, centauri or alfratans. And they are, they are like us, you wouldn't notice any difference. So they are not allowed to reveal to any humans on earth who they are. For example, if they, they can be seen, for example, buying groceries or doing something being on a train, but they wouldn't be allowed to tell the people who, who they are. So they are all kinds of regulations, and that's why having them on an interview, you know, if this was allowed, I would have done it already many times and, and with Robert, and they would have done it themselves as well, if, if that was allowed, because it's not like they are not tempted many times. I feel like many times throughout our communication, it was shown that they were tempted. Other times, it was shown that they do see the risk, the humans are not ready. So they are all kinds of reasons. And also, you, again, you have to understand if you see a normal looking person talking like me, like, for example, how do you know I'm not one of them? Oh, because I look so normal, no, I look human, I have skin and I talk and I have a weird, I don't know, here, I'm not perfect. And that's how they are as well. So no one would believe that, people would question that, there are still too many myths, I think, in a human's mind to break through for them to be accepted for who they are. People would, would, would, would, would accept if a reptilian came speaking, okay, or a gray, but they would not accept a human looking extraterrestrial. That's the most unbelievable type of extraterrestrial, another one that looks like you. That's why they have a lot of reservations around this, you know, they, they are apprehensive. Now, you're saying they're human looking, are they human and DNA and genetics as well? Or they just appearing human? Yeah, they do appear human, there are some differences in, okay, first of all, there isn't just one humanoid race. We are talking about, they told us, around 400,000 humanoid races out there, thousands. And they are all different from each other. So they have subtle or less subtle differences, genetic differences, appearances, there are some that look exactly like you, but they will be different on the inside. Then on the other side, there will be those who are totally different on the outside, maybe, but they share more of a DNA with you. So there are all kinds of differences, again, the genetic topic is not my strength. So we actually have a lot of videos on genetics, biology, how the human body manifests from the ether, from the ether as a template, how DNA is actually just a memory. Everything that is in your DNA is a memory of everything you have been in your past. Like I said, I am not too great of an expert on this specific topic, because as I said earlier, my brain doesn't always retain all that technical information, but go to our channel and to website. If you're interested in genetics, we talk about this as well. Are any of these tygetans having offspring with the local human population? No, they are not compatible on that level from what I remember. They are not even compatible with each other. Many humanoid races there between each other. Some of them are compatible. Some of them are less compatible. But as I understand, I think this was mentioned already in the very beginning seven years ago. They are not compatible. You said that you met them or people talked to them through message boards and things like that. Not me. No, that was them before when we had a communication with them between 2008 and 2017. They were massively active in social media. Whatever social media were active and present existent at the time. For example, they were very active on Google+, I think the Google+ doesn't exist anymore. Other races, for example, UNMO, I don't know if you've heard of UNMO race. I haven't. Super active. They are to do with banking, internet, all that financial stuff. That's actually UNMO race. And they are also humanoid and they have also been present in the social media. I don't know the status now. So not not on message boards myself. For me, with Buddha, it's a direct chat. It's not an email, it's not a WhatsApp, it's a chat like before we had Skype or MSN, something like that. Like a chat room. Yeah, like a chat room and we did just chat. Now, did you contact them or was it the opposite? No, we were introduced by another lady who was in contact with them at the time, okay? Just like I said, they were in contact with hundreds of people before us, before 2017. So that lady was in contact with them before us, met Robert and then got introduced to me and that's how it went. We were introduced to them, the Ruhar. She was actually even present that older lady in our initial conversations with them. Let's say if one of them contacted me via email and wanted to have connection with me. How would I know that this is really a tie-getten or just somebody pranking me? That's the problem, because when Robert, because he was the first one who was introduced to the older lady and to Zen, what he told me about this in the beginning, I didn't believe it. Because I've already heard so many stories, everybody is talking to E.T., everybody is contacting me and this and that and everybody is channeling and everybody is something, you know how it is. So I am not so naive, I am not actually so open, I am more practical and skeptical when it comes to this. It's like, of course, I know the director of the restaurant, I know they talk, I know this and that. But at the same time, I also know there's so much deception, so I'm careful, you know. I have my, you know, I'm alert, I'm watchful, I'm on guard, so I didn't believe it when Robert told me and I was like, oh, yeah, this is just one of the stories, you know, okay. But then I started talking to the French lady, because she's French, older lady and talking to her on audio for several months, for many hours, when she was explaining this to me, well, I understood that this is what it is. And then she introduced me to one of them and that was Zvaru, that was the 17-year-old time-get-and-girl, she was our main contact at the time. But now, going back to your question specifically, through the email, there is no way of knowing, we see for a, I don't even know that I would have accepted that if I wasn't introduced by this older lady, she was like this kind of an entry point to me, because I am, she was already in contact with them for a year and she vouched for this and we kind of trusted her intelligence at this point and I don't know if I would have, if someone just randomly emailed me. In fact, there are a lot of people who say this and that, or I am this and I am that, I honestly I do not follow through with that. And maybe there are some real extraterrestrial people who are, who I am missing out on, I don't know, but it's just the way it is. In our case, it was by the introduction of another, through another person. What are some of the other myths about ETs that need to be busted? Okay. And there's a lot of myths, well, first of all, about them being aesthetic, so a lot of people saying they are angelic androgynous. For example, they present the extraterrestrial people as these androgynous, beautiful people who don't, you know, it's a second androgynous, between male and female, some kind of a union of masculinity and femininity. Well, with the tagotan society, it's totally opposite, they are very defined in their genders. A woman is a woman, a man is a man and you can tell. Their features are very, very strongly defined. There are other playadians who are like that, more adrogynous. They are called soulatians. And they are a different race. They are more white, and they have white hair, and they are your typical, elf-pick-looking playadians. Well, I don't talk to those. I don't know anything about those. They are more like that androgynous. But the tagotans and a lot of other ETs race, they are very, very defined in their gender. So that's one thing. Another huge one, love and light. They are not just love and light, and there isn't just love and light outside ours. This is so important. People say, imagine that we are going through some kind of an ascension, and we're going to leave all our problems behind, and we are just going to be happy and living in this beautiful, colorful existence. And yes, a lot of the planets out there do have that kind of existence, but there is a lot of problems there as well. There is a lot of problems in the federation. It's not all just beautiful, and we ascend, and we just get mitballs, and wow, it's just happiness. It's not love and light, and the tagotans as well, are not just these beautiful and loving creatures who just talk about love all day. We are very much not like that, and I say, "We," now I spilt maybe something here, because I do associate myself with them, because they told me, "I am actually a tagotant myself, a tagotant star seed." So before I met them, I have always sensed that I do not resonate with this whole just love and light, new age ideas, and then I was thinking, "Well, I cannot be pleaded in myself, because I'm not like that." I see all these people, just beautiful and flowing and pleading, and all that, and I'm like, "Okay, well, this is not my race, because I'm not like that. I can be tough, I can wear black boots and military clothes, and if I, if I have that kind of attitude, and listen to hard rock, and I'm not just that kind of a new agey person." So when I met them, I discovered that, wow, this is amazing, they are like me. They are exactly like me. Many of them actually do like harder music, you'll be surprised. They do like black clothes, Zvaru actually used to wear black boots, and they also have, in some occasions they wear capes. They have like this ornamental cape, and Zvaru used to have a black one. So that was one of the myths that I was happy about when I discovered that, wow, I felt in resonance with this group and with these people. As I said, about getting sick, that they are just perfectly idyllic existence when they do not experience any problems. They do have sickness, they do go to the bathroom, they have depression even, they can get, they are even more emotional on many levels than humans, more dramatic, more intense everything, so they have, they have emotional problems as well, that existence outside earth is not problem-free. There are a lot of other myths. I actually wanted to make a video about the myths. One of them comes to my mind now, but there are a lot of other ones about the Galactic Federation, about the Galactic Federation, that's a huge one, let me just finish with this one, that there's a lot of stories around them being saviors, being all these, you've been in all the organization that is just there to help liberate humanity, and we have been busting that myth for years already, for years, that it's not like that, it's not as easy, it's not so black and white, that this organization is shady, that this organization has many levels, many factions, many, you know, layers, it's not so just, wow, they are, they are just beautiful, you know, beings who are here to assist us, there are so many agendas within the Federation, and so many dark, dark interests, and that's not a myth that we have been trying to break. One of the myths is that if they have the technology to be able to get here, then people will think that equals spiritual technology, and they're going to be more angelic-like and highly evolved beings, but if you look at us, our technology from, let's say, a thousand years ago, were a lot more advanced in technology, but spiritually we're kind of the same. Exactly. Well, in the beginning, I remember, there was something mentioned about, yeah, I don't remember the exactly, I would have to look at the transcripts, there's just so much information there in the transcripts, that you can, I don't know how it will say that, I don't want to now change that information, but something that you can not develop super high interstellar, maybe technology, if your spiritual understanding is not at the power, or not at the same level, because in order to reach, for example, super-aluminar travel, time travel, for example, you need to be able to understand those higher metaphysical concepts, but still, understanding metaphysical concepts, it's not exactly as spirituality, you as a person, it's still kind of scientific in a way, so many interstellar races who have developed interstellar travel capacity, they are not super benevolent, and they are many races, you'll be surprised to hear that there is a race called shadow people, shadow people, as we were told, they are actually an interstellar, race, but they are kind of between the physical and the astral, even though on the other side, they are saying everything is astral, but that's another metaphysical concept, the shadow people exist between the astral and the physical, but they are biological, but they will not be seen as that by us, like they will be just seen as a shadow, and they are a real physical in their realm beings, who actually travel by ships, and they come from another planet, other realms, to kind of take advantage of the fact that many races will not perceive them, and they like to take advantage and lead on to them, so they are not very advanced, spiritually race, but as you see, they are interstellar, so that doesn't always go hand-in-hand. Can you share with us some of the other rules of the Prime Directive? Well, some of the most principle rules would be to not be able to introduce any technology that is beyond the natural development of the planet, which I'm saying natural because this is so hypocritical, because our development is not natural, there have been a lot of interferences throughout the year, throughout the centuries, coming from the negative and the positive, there are all kinds of treaties and corporations going on with a non-human cabal and the federation, where the technologies are being transferred back, you know, so that's what I'm laughing and I get some laughing about this whole federation obsession about the Prime Directive because they know very well the federation that it's been broken too many times, they are being hypocritical, they demand, they require the obedience to the Prime Directive from one race, like they get us, but then they go and behind everybody's back, they do treaties with people on earth and they provide all kinds of technologies and they allow regressive races to provide that technology and to introduce all these different strange things, so that's one of the rules, not introduction of technology, not communicating with the citizens of the planet with any technical means that are beyond the natural evolution of the planet and that's why we have the internet, that's why they are communicating through the internet because this is a technology that we have, so they gathered, okay well that's something we can do, do you think they want us to join the federation and want us to have open disclosure and be walking among us and be one big happy family, but when you say who are you referring to, the tagettans, okay well again okay as much as we have factions and points of view within the federation itself, we also have factions and points of view within the tagettan society as well, you can even have points of view in the within the same group of the same crew, for a very long time they were only a 30 of them on the ship and there was a very small group because they were very afraid of infiltration and they were very very safeguarding themselves and within that group they had different points of view about different topics, about almost everything, so it's a very difficult task for me to summarize what they would want because it would depend on the this person, that person, but in general that topic is that question that question cannot be answered this way because you will have, I will have to explain how the federation views the humanity and how they view the humans and we are not as some sort of a separate race that is supposed to be joining anybody, we are not like they would see Andromadans or Octurians who are the primary race, primary meaning manifesto itself from the source is just there, they perceive us as a secondary race, meaning yeah this is very complicated now and deep and I should have prepared myself for specific this topic, secondary race meaning a race that is sort of a product of a primary race and with that I mean that we have had on planet earth, okay we are not the product on them but they have not created us because we exist throughout the universe, the humans exist throughout the universe but the way that we are at, the mind that we, the state that we are at, that was artificially produced, the mental state that we are at and understanding of reality how we were driven to this perception of reality and how actually then it even changes our genetics because the consciousness and the perception changes, the genetics changes our bodies, our templates with mind control we were driven to certain beliefs and that's kind of put us in a as a secondary now creation. So it cannot be answered yes or no if the Galactic Federation wants us, it's a very complicated subject that would require several hours of explanation here. Well since humans are spread out through the galaxy, how did we wind up here? Okay very interesting question, how did we wind up, well if we are, well we are everywhere, we are spread out throughout the galaxies and other galaxies and who knows what's behind other galaxies, you know it all happened during the expansion time, suppose the Lerian expansion times, when the Lerians, that's our maintain plate, Lerians, we have been supposedly under a threat from the reptilians and Orion's and all that, that's that's what's that's part of the Orion Wars and we went spreading and escaping to other planets and looking for other habitats and other environments where we can be and and that's was one of the, that was one of the ways that actually Tygetans played this ended up in Tygetta, that was also a result of those expansion, but now specifically on Earth, you know I am not sure, I am not even sure if that was ever specifically mentioned because it's such an ancient stuff, I don't even know if they themselves know 100% like I know that we have not been created, we have not been created on Earth or anything like that, how did we wind up here specifically? We're not a product of evolution on this planet. No, no, no, we are not a product of evolution in that sense, as our bodily template, but our mindset, a lot of these matrix ideas that we are as a society, there is a sort of evolution, you could say, but the mental evolution, how they, how we have been programmed essentially by century, by the negatives, by the regressive, to believe certain things, to believe certain norms and ideas, we are under this artificial reality here, so that we have been artificially guided and that's that's a sort of evolution but it's not natural of course, we have been manipulated, so that's the problem here, it wasn't a natural flow of affairs, but yeah, sorry, I don't have the exact answer to that question, how did we wind up here? I know there's so many theories about this and it goes all the way to the ancient times and I think it goes, the different groups used to come and go all the time, so it wasn't like the first original seed, you know, when the first time a human being stepped on earth, I think there's just two ancient and I think it has been in rotation all the time, all these different ancient civilizations coming and going and even groups, sometimes you could even have one crew coming and stepping and doing some kind of exploration, this is two ancient. With the crew that you are in contact with, what was their mission here? Okay, several layers again on the of the mission, one of the mission was well to watch what's happening on earth to watch over the star seeds because one of their missions of not just the gettons but all of the different races is to monitor their star seeds, they're actually there to be placing them, you know, through the immersion programs and the monitors, you know, be there as they're kind of an air support. So that's one of the things, and you know, I get to specifically is was to, but that's more in a recent years was to, you know, observe what the cabal is doing, what the federation is doing, and try to, try to counteract some of these, some of these negative actions, a lot of things are happening always behind the scenes that we do not know, but you know, trying to fix and help somehow assist with the problem here on earth in whatever way they can, and they are one of the more active ones I would say because there are a lot of extraterrestrials who are here, watchful, observing, but they don't get involved. You will never hear from them. Well, just because you don't have a hear from them doesn't mean they're not involved, but many of them you will not hear from and they are not involved. They are just like just observing and watching, studying, analyzing, there's just all kinds of purposes. Tigethas are also trying to fix the situation right now with the earth cabals specifically, because as I understand it also affects them. And now this is going into the shady politics here, and many, this has to do with this, with the cabal specifically being interest in the Tigethan Nordic playadian society, this even goes back to Hitler, his obsession with Aldebaran, that Aldebaran is actually a Tigethan colony. It's actually one of one only true colony that the Tigethan has have outside of the Tigethan system. And you know, this, so this goes all the way back, and one of the things that the audience needs to be aware of, and that's also one of the myths, is that the cabal and the matrix extends outside earth. It's not just contained on owners, it's mostly contained on earth, but there are many layers that extend. And the cabal, the human cabal, has these ambitions always has, again, goes back to Aldebaran and their Hitler's ideas to get out and colonize other planets and all that it has to do with a secret space program as well. But one other ambition is to go out there and conquer infiltrate Tigethas as well. They want their tentacles outside space. Okay, it's not just contained on earth, even though most of it is, like I said, but it has to do with Mars, has to do with Venus, all these secret space programs operations. They do have their ambitions to infiltrate Tigethan and they have been in cooperation with some Tigethan operatives themselves. And that's why it's not so black and white outside. It's not just that you are outside. And automatically everybody is peaceful and loving and beautiful and so spiritual. There are even rotten apples outside earth. And even I will admit that even within this Tigethan society, and we have been explained this for many years, how there is this faction of Tigethan people, let's say, with their own interests, their own ideas and incorporation with the earth cabal. And how, yeah, how they are, how they want Tigethan, they want Tigethan, and not only that, they want dominance. And the earth, the world is not enough for them as one of their quotes from them themselves. You talked about the matrix twice. Are you saying that we're living in a simulation? Well, it depends how you view this. Not, well, how do you view simulation? Kind of like the matrix. Is this realm not really real in a sense? Like we're just here having an experience in this digital world with our consciousness. There are different layers to this. From the more most metaphysical one, most metaphysical level, everything is a matrix. Matrix, meaning just physicality, world of ideas, because everything is mind, everything is manifested through mind. Everything is just astral, as they would say, and there's nothing but consciousness. So it's all matrix, because we are playing within our own simulation, mental simulation. So that would, I would call that, they would call that original matrix, meaning that's like, you know, just life, just life, because it's all just manifested through the mind on the higher metaphysical level. And I'm showing the cup, because that's manifesting this cup, and this is just, you know, a bundle of energy, and I'm decoding it in a certain way. So in that way, I'm decoding that specific matrix of molecules to be something that I call a cup. So in that sense, we are always living in a matrix, and so are they. But now I'm referring to the matrix as a nurse, as an artificial structure system of beliefs that we have been imposed on, by the regressives, by the negatives, by the ones who are in power, and who are feeding us these different fake beliefs, like we are the only ones in the universe. There's no life outside. Well, this is the matrix belief, matrix, meaning false idea system, false belief system. So that would be matrix. Also, if you're referring to that, you know, matrix like in the movie that you were in the not real world, well, not necessarily, it's all real if your mind perceives it as real, because it's the mind that makes it real. So in a way, even in that movie, that world was still real for their mind. So it depends on the perspective of from where you're asking the question, from the mental level, it was real for them, because they were experiencing it. They were feeling it. And what you experience, what you feel, that's reality, because what is reality is what your mind makes of whatever you're perceiving. So, but in that sense, no, it's not like we can go and call ourselves out and digitally go somewhere else, like in the movie. However, what's similar to the movie is that they have this immersion program, and that's what I am in, I was told. And in that immersion program, your body is actually kind of like in a matrix movie, in that sense, like in the avatar, your body is in the immersion pod is like a hibernation capsule, and you are immersed in these liquids, and then you go to sleep, you're immersing yourself, and your consciousness is rewired to the avatar human person on earth. And that's how many of these extraterrestrials are experiencing life on earth through the immersion program. So they are here experiencing this reality through this body. It's what's real for them. Experience makes it real for me. But my original body is actually in the immersion pod, even thousands of light years away, because it doesn't, the distance doesn't matter. And I'm in one of those plots, I was told. So what's real? Is this real for me? Is this not? Well, for me, it's real, because I'm here. I'm perceiving through here. It doesn't matter where my body is, it's where your perception is. My perception right now is seeing through Gosha. I'm seeing through here. So this is my reality. This is what's real to me. And even if I wake up there in the pod, because what happens when you die, if you are in the immersion, you wake up in the pod, well, I'm still taking this experience with me as a real experience. It wasn't just a simulation, so to speak. It was a real memory. However, just to finish off, about the topic on the simulations, just to spice it up, a lot of things can be actually sort of technologically digitally inserted here through the matrix with their technology into our reality. And that goes into the understanding of reality, according to numerical values. And they have that technology, they have that understanding. Everything is numerical values. So this cup is a numerical value. This location is a numerical value, and they can insert objects, even events, into this specific location, using their technology of understanding the science of numerical values. We have deep videos on that. So in that sense, simulation, yes, certain things could be simulated into this reality. Are all star seeds ET's like you, that their bodies are in an immersion pod somewhere else? No, not all. It is one of the very popular ways of coming in, because it kind of cures your exit. It means that you die, like most likely you're going to wake up where you came from. So you are not like endangering yourself being lost somewhere in the ether after you die, or being trapped by the matrix on earth, because that can also happen. That being trapped, I mean, into the reincarnation cycle of the earth, because many of these ideas here on earth are very sticky. They are very contagious, and you forget, and there is a veil of forgetfulness. So that can cause you to reincarnate back into the earth's matrix system, instead of going back where you came from. So immersion, kind of not always guarantees your return home, but not always, because you so can still override that, as I understand. And the matrix can even still consume you, even if you are in the matrix. But not not all star seats. Some star seats, many of them just come directly from source, as we say, which means they die as an Arcturian, and then they just come here as a human. When I had you on back in 2021, you were the first person that ever mentioned the existence of background people to me, which was really shocking. Can you talk a little bit about that? Yeah, I remember that I was telling you some things, and I do remember that you were not aware of some of some of these phenomena, phenomena. Like, for example, back to people. Yeah, the people who are supposedly without any soul, without any essence, they are just matrixed back to people, NPCs, who are just part of your background, part of your program, part of program, meaning, you know, in the end, it's your mind that creates the program. It's you. You are the creator. So you are creating all these different game characters and objects. You can play with this. Like yesterday I was playing, I was trying to manifest in my matrix something, something small, like a pink sock on the way to do, you know, somewhere to the forest or something like that. So you can all these things are elements of your of your so-called simulation, and this also refers to the people. But that doesn't mean very important that you can just go around mistreating people, okay? Just treat them like they don't exist, because we don't know who is who. This is very important. Yes, there are people who are just empty, sort of inside. However, this is very important. They are can can become real. They can acquire souls by the entry, for example, over extraterrestrials, or non extraterrestrials, some higher spiritual being who walks into that organic portal, as they are called as well, organic portals. And they can become real. And that's when you have gotten awakening, for example, in many people who before were not interested in anything at all. For example, they had an accident that happens during accidents or some kind of a very difficult life situation. And suddenly they have awakening. This happens many times. Many times, for example, that would be your topic during the near death experiences. This also happens that the person has that experience. And something happens at that point, and they can actually they can have some kind of an agreement with some other soul, some were outside extraterrestrial or non-physical being. And that person can then occupy that body from that point on. Or it could be in exchange, one person leaves, another person gets out, sorry, it comes in. The organic portal, the non-drop, backdrop people can also be used by their regressive beings. And that's also very important. So many times a lot of these backdrop people are even less than nothing. They are like little demons walking around because these lower astral entities are using these people to operate through the physical. That's that's that's reality. And we have been explained this by the target and our friends up there as well in detail. What does it mean to be a 5D person? Okay, 5D person. We have a separate video on that on what it means to be a 5D person. Well, this is a good question because another myth, good, you see, densities, 3D, 5D. This is like, wow, we are in the 3D and we are moving out some kind of a 5D existence. Well, yes, but not as a some kind of an external event coming our way, the event as they call it, that something is coming, something is happening, some kind of unveiling will happen. And then as a collective suddenly, we will be some kind of a 5D Earth. Well, it is happening this way and not, but it is happening this way, meaning that it's happening to us first individually. So as a as a person, you yourself, you yourself as an individual, no matter where you are on Earth or not on Earth, you can be a 5D and 7D and whatever you want because it's all just a range of frequencies and you while limit yourself to just that 3D. What Earth is a 3D? No, planet Earth is whatever you want it to be. Of course, there are kinds of constrictions and restrictions and limitations and running relations, but that's a hail, that's a kind of a challenge for the soul as well, that many many many souls come for that. So going back to your question, you can be a 5D or whatever person, anywhere you want. And that means simply, well, simply, maybe not so simply, in my understanding, is to be able to, well, first, include a lot of a lot of a lot of different types of perceptions. So you are expanding into other ways of perceiving reality. And as you expand, you expand in your frequency and your frequency changes and your shift. And that's when you become more of an integrated more activated person in general. So for me, one, that's inclusive of different points of view, even though when they are contradictory, being able to be this holistic, to have this holistic approach. So that's not closed into one specific dogma being, like I said, being able to integrate more as that expands you. Okay, for me, it's also to do with the ethical integrity and ethical structure of the of the of the person, even though in the in the end, the universe doesn't understand good on evil. This is all duality that just exists here, sort of, and out there as well. But still having some sort of ethical framework and spiritual framework by which to move, move through life and being able to transcend different types of frequencies and emotions, that as well. I would say to have an emotional control and emotional frame where you can always be, you can always shift through anything that can happen because then up there they can have difficult times and emotions. But it's how you move through that, how to how you deal with that, how you move yourself through that experience. To always try to elevate yourself through negative experiences. So have that emotional intelligence and a mental strength to be able to approach difficult situations. So in this, more than very terms, to always try to be able to to have high frequency and know how to be appreciative and happy and humble and have fun. The high frequency, you know, is to be able to to have fun and to be able to create and to be able to be positive. Even though we all have the down moments, but like I said, it's about that strength to be able to move through that. What does that really mean raising your frequencies? Is that like becoming a good person, becoming more honest, raising your awareness? Are you more positive? You know, what does that really mean? Yeah, it's a very good question that again a lot of people just keep, you know, shuffling around and keep using. But yeah, what is it exactly? Well, like I said for me, like I told you about being able to integrate and include and expand my perception and expand more understandings of reality, that I feel it does raise my frequency because then, you know, my vibration is able to include all these other ranges of perception. So, including other ranges of perception, I feel that raises my overall vibration, my overall being, I become larger than how I was a moment before I included that. You know, so it's just expansion. For me, it's expansion and learning, integrating more and more. So that's one thing. And simple things like what raises my frequency is to engage with life in a positive way. So engaging with any creative task or idea or appreciation, for example, I think what raises our vibration is anytime we are energy shifts towards more positive and noble ideas. And that will also have to be defined. And that's another story. It's going to be different for everybody. But anything that you feel is raising your attention towards more pure and clean and novel and honest, authentic, fun, creative, uplifting ideas, anything, any kind of activity that does that, well, that would raise your overall vibration as a being because it's those lower emotions. It's about the emotional state. It's about creating some kind of an emotion with you within you that is uplifting. And, you know, all these emotions like anger and sadness, you can feel that when you experience that, it's drugging, it's becoming so heavy. So I believe that's when your frequency lowers and you shrink. It makes sense. And just to kind of get back to what I said in the beginning of the podcast, in my opinion, raising your frequency is independent of technological advancements, because if there are bad ETs out there doing malevolent things, you know, they may have great technological advancements, but there's still low frequency. Exactly. And that happens. And we see that even within the federation itself, many federation races super technologically advanced, but their intentions are dark, are not transparent, are not benevolent to our other beings, at least from our perspective, from the perspective of the creatures that they are trying to use, because that's what's happening. So, yeah, independence, yeah, independence, independence of thought, it's interesting how everybody will always define that in their own way. Also fun, I know it maybe sounds cliche, but like fun activities, you can really feel like you are lighter in that moment. You are lighter and you are lighter spirited and you just shine more. You can feel it in your being, so it's just a matter of finding whatever gives you that fun, relaxed moment. And the perception of time disappears. Oh yes, that's what the perception of time changes as well. We have big videos on topic of time, time travel, what is time, how it relates to the consciousness, you know, consciousness, it's time, it's consciousness, it doesn't exist outside of the parameters of your own self-observing awareness. Anyway, that's another topic. Well, besides the cosmic agency YouTube channel, you now have space academy sector earth. What is that? Thank you for bringing it up because I was forgetting that already. And this is a very important project that I just started about a year ago. I'm very slow doing the videos there because they take a lot of time. Okay, space academy sector earth, I came up with this idea of presenting all these different topics that I present in cosmic agency throughout the years, maybe in a less organized way, in a new format, in a more coordinated and methodical organized manner. So the fun part of it is that I am sort of like in a space academy and I'm in a spaceship. So I have a studio that is designed by the guy who designs this for me, Alec, thank you very much, by the way. And he creates these classes as sort of I am in this spaceship environment and I am welcoming their cadets and I'm teaching them about all these different projects. So I am presenting everything that is on space on on cosmic agency, but from the beginning as if I am giving this to the newcomers, people who are not yet immersed in these topics because every but every one of us, we already know a lot of this, this stuff. And we have been studying this for a long time. But there is still a lot of matrix, so called matrix people who are not necessarily matrix. They are kind of waking up, but not really there yet, like in the middle somewhere, like listening with one here, and they may maybe would be interested to understand this, but they come into our circles to the communities and they are like bombarded and overwhelmed with a lot of information coming from everybody. Everybody has their narrative and their stories and this and that. So I'm trying to present these classes for those types of people like from the beginning. What is matrix? What is the so? What is the cabal? Who controls the earth? Who doesn't that like through all these different subjects in a very simple way? And it's in a fun way because it's like I'm teaching on a on a on a spaceship. So it's called space academy sector earth. And why this name? Because they on planets there and take it, for example, they have their own academies. They all have navigation academies where they teach space travel and all this space stuff and they go and learn. So this is kind of like a node of that kind of galactic academy, but on our space academy sector earth for the earth humans. And I have this in French and I have this in in Spanish myself. So did you physically build some sort of studio that you're in? No, no, it's all digital. It's all digital. It makes this digitally, but he the way he makes it looks so realistic as if I'm really there. It's really cool. I was looking at some rooms the other day and I wish I could build a physical room here that looked like I was on a spaceship. Yeah, I actually, that's my store, Cosmic Agency, if I showed you the picture. The one that I had in Barcelona in 2011, I designed it as a spaceship. I had a guy come in and renovate the space for me. It was like a stargate entry with a rounded walls and it was it was like a like a spaceship. Yeah, it would be really cool. Real quick, who are the controllers of the earth? The ultimate controllers of the earth, so to speak, would be the galactic federation. I go through this in the video. Just my last video on space academy is about the controllers of the earth. I go through different layers because it goes through the earth, cabal, you know, politicians, shadow government, deep state, and then we have secret societies, the secret societies that are deeper than other secret societies and other that are deeper. And then we have secret societies that talk to non-human, regressive races. And then we have others and then we have, it goes on all in our own until we reach the galactic federation. And the galactic federation is we have said throughout the years, are the absolute top managers of the planet earth. However, there's a twist. Metaphysically speaking, we are the ones that control everything. Us, the humans, the creators of the reality in the know of this matrix. So again, this could be viewed from different perspectives. I haven't reached that part yet in my space academy. What I talk about us as being the ultimate controllers. Well, if people want to find out more about the academy, is it a YouTube channel or a website? I don't have a website yet. I want to have a website. But I don't have it yet. For now, it's space academy sector earth as a YouTube channel. Well, if people have questions, should they just leave them as comments in your videos? Yes, of course. Also, I publish the transcripts of space academy videos on on our main website as varu.org. There's a section there, space academy, and there you can see the transcripts because everything we do, we publish the transcripts. So this way, some people who want to read, they can read instead of watching a video. Are you aware of anything that's coming in our near future, like disclosure or some big event or something else within the next few years? Well, that's what I've been hearing that people are talking about, the event, as if some kind of it's called the event, like it's coming. And we've been hearing this for many years. And what I always say that we are that event. You know, we have to take control of what's happening. And I just sit and wait. We have to embody that by the world that we want to manifest because that's the only way it will. It's about manifestation and generating that reality. Grim thing that out of that some kind of a theory, you know, template where it already exists and just making it appear. But we are the ones. So there's no waiting. One of the disclosures, yeah, it's been going on for many years. It's complicated subject because, you know, there's a lot of agenda still on the table by the cabal, like the blue beams and false alien invasions and all that. It's all intertwined there with the possible disclosures. Are the disclosures really the disclosures or are they really more like a directed method of something to again draw our attention towards something the controllers want? From my from my experience with the Tegetus is that they have not been ready to do any official disclosures. There was one moment in 2000, 2001 when there were the they had some ideas about how to get involved and try to influence things from behind more directly. I don't want to now say the details, but it failed, but it's never going to be, oh, it's never. I don't want to say never. It's they haven't been interested in anything direct with the people. I'm just talking about the Tegetus that I know. I also have to specify this and this is for this is important. I don't have a communication right now and we haven't had a communication for about a year, so I don't know if anything changed with that in that with that regard because they are very dynamic. They're always changing their plans and ideas and maybe something has changed. The reason why we don't have a communication that's another story and as we discussed before we don't want to get into that right now, so let's leave that for now. But yeah, the disclosures, I hope so, but I am not in the position to fully trust what's coming first of all from the official authorities, not at all. Don't trust anything that is coming from the official authorities, even when it seems nice. That's what we were told specifically. So any of the disclosures coming from that side of the society, I don't think it has any benevolent intentions. Who knows? I don't want to say 100%, but that's the position that we have right now about the official disclosures. But of course, and also everything, a lot of things are pointing to the possible false alien invasion that they have been planning for a while too, the controllers. They want to play that card as well at some point probably. Maybe there's a lot of testing they're doing on top of with that. And that's why we see a lot of things to do with the ETs supposedly, like even those drones that you mentioned last year or all of things. It could have a lot to do with testing public's reactions. What kind of a theory is they come up with about the subject? They are playing with the public many times. People are not aware of it, they're happy, they're excited, they want this disclosure. I don't trust the official disclosures. Well, Gosha, thank you for coming back and being my guest again. Let's not wait four years for the next time. That's true. Yes, let's not however times it just goes so fast, like you think it's been one year and four years fast, you know, it goes crazy. Yeah. Thank you very much again, Jeff, until the next time and thank you all the viewers for watching and for having patience to listen to to my stories.