Corinne's Final Case: Memories, Bloopers, and What's Coming Next

Hi, everyone. It's Vanessa Richardson. Real quick before today's episode, I want to tell you about a show I host with forensic psychologist Dr. Tristan Engels. It's called Serial Killers and Murderous Minds. Every Monday and Thursday, we take you deep into the psychology of the most chilling murderers and uncover what drives them to kill. Follow Serial Killers and Murderous Minds, available wherever you listen to podcasts. This is Crime House. Welcome to Crimes Of. I'm Sabrina Deanna Roga. I'm Corinne Vienne. And today we're going to reflect on the last couple of seasons of Crimes Of. It's sad that this is the last time we'll do the intro together. I know. I'm sad, but I'm at the same time very excited for, well, we can't share secrets, but what's to come. What's to come. You can subscribe now and step inside the world of Crimes Of. And if you're loving Crimes Of, please follow, rate, and review us wherever you listen. It helps build the community and we love hearing from you. 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But yes, everyone who is out there, all you jurors, don't worry. The team at PAVE and I have been working on some really exciting things. And there's a lot of really fun, really exciting announcements that will be coming very soon. This show will continue. I feel special because I know what they are. Yeah, you're the insider. I'm the single insider. She's going to leak it to TMZ. Quick, call the paparazzi. You just outed yourself. I'm very excited for what's to come. And obviously we'll miss you, Corinne. But don't worry to everyone out there. Corinne and I will continue doing Two Girls, One Ghost together. You're never leaving that. So you can still catch us over there. You can actually be different. You deserve to feel amazing in your own skin. And Weight Loss by Hers is here to help you finally shake things up. They now offer access to an affordable range of FDA-approved GLP-1 medications, including both the Wegovi Pen and the brand new Wegovi Pill. 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So yeah, should we talk about I mean, I feel like we can talk generally about the show because the way it started, I feel like if you go back and listen to the very first episode about Ed Gein. When we did Crimes Of Infamy, the format of the show was so different than it is today. Yeah, that's true. The way that we I was doing narrative. So I was like walking people through in like a really immersive narrative set it like scene setting and I was doing more of like some bullet pointed facts. You're right. It has evolved. It's evolved so much. It's about to evolve even more. Yeah. But Ed Gein was a it's interesting because like when building the show too, we had the choice like we have had a lot of suggestions in terms of what each season will focus on and the different topics and things to bring up. And you and I both felt like Ed Gein was a really good first episode. Yeah. It's a horrible case and a mad man serial killer. He's like one of the most infamous ones. Right. But like, yeah, he was also I think for both of us, the Ed Gein case was one that like we could both regurgitate a lot of facts before even researching. It was crazy. Do you remember when we because we had been doing months of planning and prepping for the show Crimes of with the team at Pave and we had picked Ed Gein to be our first episode of the show. And then we recorded the episode. And then like a week later, they announced that that was going to be the Monsters season, the Ryan Murphy show. And we were like weird synchronicities. How strange of timing. Although I watched that show and I did not like it. Oh, yeah. Or I watched the first couple of episodes and I couldn't continue with it. Oh, man. But I feel like even knowing the amount of facts that I did know about Ed Gein, I feel like I still learned a lot. And that has been true with every single case where I'm like, oh, I think I know everything. And then as we're going through these cases, I'm like, why wasn't this in the documentary? Why wasn't this in the hundred other episodes of podcasts that I've listened to before? Like there's all of these facts that are so shocking still. And it in all of these stories that we sometimes feel if someone's an avid true crime consumer, like you might feel like you've already heard. Right. But I feel like in every episode, yeah, we learned something new or something that maybe was forgotten was brought back to the surface for me personally, I'll say. Yeah. I loved season one because we both love horror movies and we're avid consumers of horror movies. The one that was the most interesting is not the right word to say, but I think it was that I had never really heard of before was Alligator Joe. Oh, my gosh. That was one of my favorites because it's so weird and it feels so Joe exotic. I mean, obviously, like it feels bad to even say it's my favorite because like all of them include murder and people that are innocent in their lives getting taken. But yes, but that one was just like so. Yeah, because I had never heard of it before. That's also my least favorite movie that I watched for that season. Like I felt like I had done a drug trip and I didn't enjoy it. It doesn't. Yeah. Like I felt like I had to go on a long grounded nature walk afterwards. I know I'm jumping forward here, but I feel like my favorite episode because of how much joy it brought you was the Jen Shaw. Oh, my God. Yes, that was for sure my favorite. I knew nothing. I've never watched the I almost same. Same. I don't know any of the characters. And you had been talking about it for weeks leading up to. Yeah. And you were like, could not wait. And I was truly shocked by everything that happened. And also talking about synchronicity is the same time we recorded that episode and it came out. Jen Shaw had this like whole interview come out and the timing again was just so strange. We're picking up on something. Yeah. We don't know how people don't believe in the energy of the universe. Maybe you should listen to Crimes of the Paranormal, which is another season. Season two. Season two. Natural transition there. I love that season. I mean, that felt like we were going back to our roots of Two Girls, One Ghost. Yeah. I feel like we had a lot of suggestions of cases we'd previously covered very lightly and we're like, we got to dig in to these other ones here. I'm trying to think what was my favorite from that season. We did Blood Countess that season, right? Yes. I loved that story. I feel like you really liked that one. The Green Briar Ghost. That's always been a favorite case of mine. Always. Because when else do you hear about a ghost who solves their own murder from beyond the grave? No, and legally it's in. like the records. Yes. It is the first time a ghost came back from the dead and her testimony convicted her murderer. So if there are any murderers listening right now in death, you are not safe either because your victims will come for you. Shame on you. You're a horrible person. Yeah. Yeah. What was season three? Crimes of Passion? I think Crimes of Passion was the season that took the hardest toll on you. Yeah. And made you kind of realize that you can't consume and be talking about true crime 24-7. Yes. I think there were a lot of children. The Candy Montgomery case? Affected there. There were just a lot of people, like the backstories of people and like there's just too much. And I left every recording just feeling so sick. Yeah. And like I lost faith in humanity and like I was going to throw up. Yeah. And I was like, man, I can't wait to get to the next season. That one definitely took a really big toll on me. I was struggling a lot. And it's one of those interesting things where it's like sometimes you learn about yourself. Well, I feel like in parenthood, having already had a child, I've had to consume less true crime. But there are certain cases that I think, you know, like five years ago, I could have listened and been like, oh my God, that's absolutely horrible. And like regurgitated in conversation as like this interesting, terrible thing that I had learned. Yeah. But now it's like, it just like affects me so deeply. I know. And you were pregnant. And I'm also very pregnant. Yeah. So I feel like it's just a very different. Yeah. Experience. Yeah. The only horror I can consume right now is Widow's Bay. That's my. Highly recommend. My max threshold right now. But yeah, that season was really rough. Did you learn anything else about yourself while doing this show? That I need you. I got you, girl. I already knew that. I got you. I don't know. I feel like, you know what I learned? Every single time I like had an idea to pitch a different topic, it was always a survivor. I'm a big I survived fan. Love that show too. Yes. I think survivor cases are what I find most fascinating because it's like, there's like some hope or like you see how much someone can go through and they still come out the other side. Yeah. I think that's why I liked the astronaut murder case because there was no actual while maybe potentially murder was the intent. No one did die. There were a lot of diapers that were. So I feel like we could have a little bit more fun with that. Today's episode is brought to you by Alma. What if the small things actually felt small, like getting out of bed when you said you would or replying to a text right when it came in? Therapy can help you bridge the gap between where you are and where you're going. Where you want to be. And Alma can help you find a great therapist. The search can be the hardest part of getting started, right? 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And we were going to cover kind of, like, slapstick humor cases. Yeah. It kind of felt like a thousand ways, like, the original was going to be kind of, like, an a thousand ways to die sort of vibe. But then it started to evolve because we were like, okay, do some of these cases really take up the space of an hour-long episode? And there was one case of the man who stole the Eiffel Tower twice. And it's hilarious, but it felt like more of, like, a minute episode than it really was, you know, hour-long episode. And so then with the team at Pave, we collaborated and we're like, okay, well, how do we incorporate some more lighthearted cases? We could just try to balance the seasons with, like, some heaviness. You know, paranormal was a little bit lighter, too, that we stuck between some of the hard ones. So then we pivoted and kind of turned it into crimes of deception, which was, you know, the wine crime, wine con, Anna Delvey. Yeah. And I'll give credit to you, too, because you, you have done primarily almost all of the research, if not all of it. But was there any episode or, like, topic or, like, most shocking fact that you found when researching really any of the episodes that you were like, oh, my God, this is, like, you felt like you discovered a little piece of gold? I'm going to equate this question with the feeling I get when someone asks for my ID, and I panic, and I think, like, oh, no. What's my middle name? But I'm literally 32, and I am 11 years past worrying about being carded. I don't know. Oh, you know what case, this is one fun fact that I learned that I really was intrigued by as a history nerd, that the Florence Maybrick case, that her husband, who died, was not murdered, died by poisoning himself, rewriting the history there, because that's how it should be, was once considered a murder of Jack the Ripper. Oh, yes. I thought that was so intriguing. Uh-huh. I was shocked by that. That was a shocking one. Yeah. That was a shocking twist. And Jack the Ripper, I mean, if we had tried to cover that, that would have been a whole season just alone. I know. Well, there were a lot of cases in the cult season, they could be full podcast series or already exist as full podcast series, which is why we did so many two-parters. Right. Because also, cults involve so many more people. So many. And there's so many survivors and victims, and stories that. So many twists. It evolves over time. So it's not like you're covering someone who, in like a shorter period of time, committed these atrocious acts. But it's like every single day for decades. It does take a lot. Yeah. And they're also typically like chronicled better, too. Right. You know, like people are writing books, people are writing their own experiences about their times in the cults. Yeah. There's documentaries. Yeah. And there's a lot of egos with the cult leaders. A lot of the murderers out there have massive egos. Yeah. Wait. Okay. I was reading comments on the Order of the Solar Temple episode before coming in today to record. And I just have a qualm with some of you jurors out there, because there were multiple comments being like, ha ha, Sabrina totally would join a cult. Why are you taking offense? You say that yourself. I can say it. I just don't want to be putting off that vibe to everyone else. Okay. It's true, though. Yeah. It depends on what kind of cult. I feel like you would join a cult early on. Oh, that makes it better? Well, because they're less intense. And then maybe you'd not be able to escape and you'd buy in and kind of like transition with the strange ideology. That's worse. No, but it's worse if you join late and there's all these like big red flags. Hey, I will say if you've joined a cult, it's not your fault. And we hope you get help. And we will be your mommies and we'll come rescue you. People hated mommies. Yeah, that's the. I feel like we very politely were like, we're getting some feedback that mommies aren't the way to go. So we're going to do jurors now. Oh, the hate we got. It was a lot of comments. Yeah, we got a lot of hate. Were you upset by that? No, I take no offense. If you hate something, you can. Only offended that you think that Sabrina will join a cult, but no offense. That feels more personal, whereas like mommies was kind of a joke and then. It was a joke and then we just didn't come up with something else. So we just stuck with mommies. And then also keep in mind, we did a lot of pre-recording before the episodes and like the show. So then mommies was in it. There was an opportunity for like people. Yeah, we were like, you know, four episodes deep before anyone even sees one. So we're like, are we still saying mommies? And then it came out and people were like, please stop calling us mommies. Yeah. Ick. Yeah. Jurors came in what season in Deception. So we called you mommies for a really long time. It was. Yeah. How do people feel about jurors? I think people like it more. It's a little more appropriate to the material. For sure. Yeah. And who knows, maybe it will evolve again. With the new season evolving. Yes, I know. I'm so excited. We also have a lot of bloopers to. discuss. My favorite. I'm actually sad it got cut from the final episode, but now you actually get to see it in its glory. Well, you get to see some of it. Yeah. A tightened version of the blooper because we can't include the whole blooper. It'd be 10 minutes long. It would be 10 minutes long. In Crimes of Passion, we covered Lorena Bobbitt, and there was a narrative scene where the police were searching for his penis, and Corinne and I laughed. Could not stop laughing. They had his penis, and then they ran to the 7-Eleven and then grabbed from the hot dog stand in the 7-Eleven a plastic bag to put the severed penis into, and it still strikes me as funny. I know that it's like someone got mutilated, and that's not supposed to be funny. Well, he was a terrorist. He was a terrible person. Yes, but just the picture of two policemen running into a convenience store going to the hot dog station out of all of them. It feels like out of a comedy film that if it was in a script, someone might be like, this is too on the nose. We got to change it. But they can't just plop the penis in there. So thinking fast, his partner hustles to the hot dog station and grabs the baggie. I know, it's so hard, but it's true. Or I should say, it's not hard. Sorry. It's just there, ripe for the picking. So bad. Oh, serious. True crime. Okay. With the penis secured. I feel like we're playing the penis game. This is so much. Honestly, we need, we need, we need a laugh. This case is so sad. It's good to laugh. Okay. I'm going to be so red in the video. This isn't bad. Okay. I love it. I know, and then I didn't. Okay. Okay. Okay. Are we at 10? Yes. Seth Rogen, I'm casting him as the police officer right now. He's fumbling around trying with the severed penis. Anyway, we busted out laughing. And between the two of us, every time one person got serious and could continue, the other person couldn't. And we just laughed for like 10 minutes long. And let's also admit, saying the word penis a hundred times, it's inevitable. You're going to laugh at some point. It felt, it felt, it got to a point where we were like, wow, are we? Mature? Are we super unprofessional? Like there are other people. We dare you right now to, with a friend, try to say penis as, play the penis game and try not to laugh. Cause that's how it felt. Yeah. This is like maybe one of the few careers you can have where you can just openly say penis a million times and talk about how funny it is in front of the people who employ you and not get in trouble. And HR is not getting us in trouble. Okay. There's some other bloopers. I think we could probably make again, another like hour long compilation of all the times we tried and failed to pronounce French words and names. Pronunciations in and of themselves were tough. And we often would ask our producer to confirm we were saying things right. Shout out Kristen. Shout out Kristen. And we would have like in our script, bolded, like this is how you say it. But if it was French, it didn't matter how many times we heard it. We'd pause and be like, how do we say it again, Kristen? I'm sure there's a few mistakes that slipped through there. A lot of them. A friend named Sebastian Jutra. Jutra. Jutra. A guy named Avik Karon. Yep. Yes. Okay. Accountant Michelle, Michelle Gavreau, right? Michelle Gavreau. Accountant Michelle Gavreau pulls up to the building. Okay. So this brings us to a man named Richard Valliere. Valliere? Valliere. Valliere. The beast. Je vous donne. Je vous donne. Je vous donne. All right. No. Je vous donne? Je vous donne. Je vous donne. Okay. Je vous donne. Oh, je vous donne. Je vous donne. I mean, it'd be really, really good. Je vous donne. Je vous donne. Bonjour. Je m'appelle Kachri. You even said your name with a great accent. How do you say and? I only know. Eh. Eh. Eh. Sab. Sab. Sabrina. Sabrina. Those were the longest recordings we had because a good 30 minutes of it was us just trying to say like one person's name over and over. Also, in the studio that we record in, we have to turn the AC off while recording. I'm sweating now. It's under boob sweat season. There was also one recording session. I want to say it was like in October where, or maybe it was more recent. I don't know. Where in the midst of recording, I started getting sick. Oh, yeah. Like we just start talking and then I like. Your voice just like. Get nasally. And I was like, and then that night I had a fever and I was sick for the rest of the week. It hit right then. Yeah. There's been a lot of moments in this studio. We've been through so much together. Should we talk about that? Should we talk about the set? I feel like we never really talked about the, like we got to play a part in the set that we. We did. Get to sit in. In our childhood dream basement, basically. Yeah. I think the idea kind of went back to not only did a lot of the like crimes and things that we talk about happen more in the time that our childhood happened in, but we're a 90s born kids. Yeah. And I feel like a lot of our interest in kind of like the spooky, scary horror crime genre happened at an inappropriately young age in the 90s when we were like under the age of 10. Wait, we'll come back to the set real quick. But that triggered a memory when we were doing the, was it Ed Gein who inspired Psycho? Yeah. I learned that Psycho was the first film that had blood and like it marks like the pivot of our society and the gore that we've consumed. I think we are so desensitized as, you know, as a population, like we see horrific things on our screens all the time. But I didn't realize that Psycho was the first time. People were throwing up in theaters, watching the shower scene with all that blood. Wow. But then after that happened and how polarizing it was, everyone was trying to one up it. Oh, that's so interesting. And kind of marks the moment we became a little bit desensitized. And maybe it makes more sense now having that information because like, when you watch movies from like the 80s or whatever, and there's a bunch of like gore and stuff, obviously the visual effects have come such a long way. But like, part of me is like, how did you like, this is so obviously fake and so over the top that it like doesn't gross me out at all. But I guess if you'd never seen something like that before. And it's just like the thought and the shock of it. Yeah. People were throwing up. 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A biology professor denied tenure opens fire in a faculty meeting. A graduate student stabbed to death in a crowded library, and a killer who simply vanishes. And a college basketball player murdered by his own teammate. While his coach schemes to smear the victim to save himself. Every case asks the same question. What happens when an institution has more to protect than the truth? Listen every Sunday in August on the Crime House 24-7 feed, or join Crime House Plus to get all four episodes right now, ad-free. Join on Apple Podcasts or at crimehouseplus.com. Okay, back to the set. Okay. We really wanted to bring in all of our favorite things, so we brought in, like, Practical Magic VHS tapes. We also, throughout the seasons, would change the props. If so, if you were watching on YouTube, you would see them kind of change. Small little changes in the background, depending on what we were talking about. Yeah. But yeah, some ode to the spooky. We've got The Exorcist, Hocus Pocus, The Craft. But then, of course, some of the, like, true crime-inspired classics, like Psycho. Is the Ouija board still here? Should we play the Ouija board as our last goodbye? No, I think the Ouija board got. Sent. Back to L.A. Across the United States, traveled in a plane. You're so relieved. Goodbye, Ouija board. Thank God we didn't have to play that in here. Going back to bloopers, the set did get haunted when we recorded with Sven, who's our skeleton who represents the ghost of Two Girls, One Ghost, in the studio. In the middle of recording, one of the, like, light fixture covers came down and we both jumped. Yes. It is very like us to say everything is haunting. We're in Salem, Massachusetts. Are we going to blame it on just the tape becoming a little bit more unsticky? No. No. It was a ghost. It was a ghost. We're sitting in Salem. Obviously, it was a ghost. The ghost of the bug we murdered. We were actually assaulted by the, like, furriest little house centipede. Which we have a clip of. We were in the middle of recording one of the episodes from Colts. And I think I, like, said myself. I said my sentence normally, then I saw the bug and screamed and pointed and scared you. So, yeah, we'll roll the tapes. Not necessarily because he wanted to, but because this is where the snake oil salesman con man stuff comes in. He was doing some shady business and he was about to get caught. Okay, yeah. I was wondering where the con man side of him started to creep in. Ew, bug. What? Where? Stop. Why are you pointing like that? It's over there. It's by the trash can. Oh. It's going towards the cords. Oh, shit. It's a big bug. Yeah, it's one of those, like, big fuzzy ones. Here, I'll take it. You freaked out and now you're like, I got it. And add it to my pet collection. Well, you were like an old lady seeing death. You were like, oh, it's not pointing in any direction. Oh, my God. I love that, Mary. Okay. Fight, flight, or freeze. I freeze. I'll never get over it. Oh! Are you having a seizure? What's happening? This is scary. You spent 10 minutes chasing it around the studio. Bug lovers, don't be mad at me. Everyone in here, I would have just let it crawl around. Everyone else could not do their jobs because they were horrified by it. And it also went back to where all, like, the tech equipment is and where people have to sit to make the show happen. And it was, it's dark in that corner. People were getting the heebie-jeebies about this little bug. And so I had to do what I had to do and I took a life that day. And for that, I am so sorry. I honestly, I know people are all about catch and release, but thank you. I am a catch and release. I'm not a catch and releaser. We did have a fight. One very public fight on this show. Do you know what I'm talking about? No, because I feel like sometimes we fake fight. There wasn't a time where you said you were going to, like, fight me. And I was like, wait, I don't actually want to fight you. I don't want to fight you. I don't want to. But the real fight that we had. What was our real fight? We had a real one? Gatorade. Oh. And then I did a poll. Should I pull up the results? Yeah. It's kind of, I feel like in the poll you won, but in the comments I won. Well, so on the poll I didn't include. Let me go get it. It's important that our one real fight we bring up again and then start fighting. And if anyone does not know what this is about, I made a comment after I won. After you said something about Gatorade and I made a comment that obviously orange was the best flavor and that was like your least ranked Gatorade. But in the comments, someone did bring up another flavor that we had forgotten to list. And I don't know if it's a Gatorade flavor. It's like Powerade or just like one of those. But the like white one, the icy white one. Oh, yes. That's a top three. Yes. But I would consider like the main four blue, red, orange, purple. What about yellow? And yellow. See, OK, there was one that I didn't include. And people were mad about. And I think it was yellow. I didn't include. OK, so on my Instagram story on May 19th at 710 p.m., I reposted the crime house reel. And I asked, what's your favorite Gatorade? And 61% said blue, 11% said orange, 11% said purple, 17% said red. Wait, can you do them in order of like the most? Yeah. Blue, red. Orange and purple were tied. And a lot of people did DM. And you said blue first. Yeah. A lot of people did DM and said, where's yellow? But you can only do four on a poll. And I feel like I got a lot of comments saying orange and yellow were also in people's top three. But via the poll, you won. Red and orange. And I'm sorry. But you know what? We can have different tastes. And that's OK. We can. But I will also say, I think the flavors that I listed have the least amount of flavor when they're cold. Which is maybe why I like them most. Because they're not as punchy. I disagree. The red one is like pretty potent. But the yellow and the orange are not nearly as crazy as. See, we just disagree. We have different flavor palettes. Fight part two. Yeah, it's still a fight. How many times can we just go around the same thing? But you know what? We don't want everyone to have the same opinion because it would be boring. It would be like a show for us. And then don't sell out my favorite flavor. Then I wouldn't be able to get it at the store. That's true. Whereas blue is the hot commodity, I guess. We do have the same. We have the same coffee order most of the time. So there's that. Yeah, we've got that. It's not a real fight, you guys. It's not. If that were a real fight, how could you be friends if that is really something that truly breaks you apart? I feel like that's a good recap of our time together on Crimes Of. We're so grateful for all of you who have joined us over the last year listening to Crimes Of. It's been such a cool opportunity, too, because we came from almost a decade of doing a paranormal show and had never had an opportunity like this before either. So we're super grateful for Pave and the Crime House community for letting us be a host. Inviting us to do it. Yeah. Well, obviously, miss you. Thanks. Miss you guys, too. But I'm still going to— You're going to tune in? Tune in. Be our number one fan. Well, and you and I talk every day, so I'm going to know what's going on. Yeah. So I don't have that much. FOMO as much as I felt like I would because I think I'll get all the answers. Maybe one day you'll come and do a guest host with me and the new host. Wait, can I bring—sorry to find inspiration from the cults that we did. What can you bring? You know how there was all the theatrics and theater and it's like a light turns on and there's someone in a costume in the background. Oh, so you want us to smoke bomb and you appear? Yes. I don't want anyone to know it's me. I just want to be a figure in the scene. Oh, the man behind the curtain? Like very Wizard of Oz? Yeah. Okay. And it happens so fast that it's almost like people who are watching are like, was that a glitch? Like, what was that? You have to go back and you have to like pause for like a half a second and I'm just like Slender Man standing there in the background. That's my dream, but it's your show. You can do what you want. I'm just putting my suggestions here. She's haunting us. I'm dead. I love that for you. It's a different costume. That's your new dream. I want a half a second every episode. A different costume. I just appear somewhere else. That's very creepy. If there's still a TV. You're just like glitching in it. The reflection just slowly starts. Guys, we have ideas. Anyway, stay tuned. Let us know, mommies. No, I'm sorry. I don't mean to fight everyone else now. But thank you. Thank you for doing this with me. And thank you for sharing these stories. Sharing in the horror of the world. Yeah. And laughing and fighting and still being my best friend. Been a good time. Love you. We love you. And we love all of you. Do you have any advice for the new co-host? Oh, God. Don't fuck up. I'm just kidding. Good luck. You better like the same Gatorade flavors or else. Or at least lie. I don't know if I have any. I'd say do what you find most interesting. Because pick topics not just based on what always fits the mold. But what you find most interesting. And have fun. Because I feel like that's. It translates. It's whether something has been heard like a hundred times before. Yeah. Or someone's never heard that case. Like if you're truly enjoying it. Well, I guess enjoying true crime is not the right word. But truly. Enjoying the research behind it. Interested in sharing the stories. Yes. Yeah. Well, I think that's another thing when it comes to true crime. And what was important with us creating this show is we really didn't want it to be this thing where while you and I can laugh occasionally at things unrelated to the case or in moments that are like so ridiculous like a penis in a hot dog bag. We need a moment of levity. Yeah, you do. But like there's also so many victims and like true crime is not funny. It is not. So there was a lot of thought put behind that. Yeah. Agreed. Trying our best to be very ethical about how we tell the stories because there are real victims and tragedies. And some of the cases are more recent too. Like I think that was a big difference between the show. That we have done together for a decade that's paranormally focused and something like this. Like something like this. Victims are still out there. Families could be listening on the paranormal show where, you know, oftentimes it's like a hundred and fifty years ago this happened and it feels a little bit more distant. It does. Anywho, I'm excited to see what you guys do. I'm also very excited for what's to come and I am so confident you all will be excited as well. And so stay tuned for exciting announcements coming very, very soon. And we can't wait to share with you what the show is going to be. But until then, everyone say we love you, Corinne. Thanks. Thank you for being here. And we love you, Sabrina. Thank you for still being here. And you can still catch Corinne and I together on Two Girls, One Ghost, but for the very last time with you, Corinne. you, Corinne, we'll do our sign-off. Okay. Well, thank you guys so much for listening. We are your hosts, Sabrina Deanna Roga and Corinne Vien. And here at CrimeHouse, we want to thank each and every one of you for your support. 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