Conversations with [ Dr. Dilara Üsküp ]

Hi, Tilaera! Hello, Jessie. Thank you so much for having me here today on your podcast. I'm really excited to be here with you and to be here with the listening audience. Thank you so much. Thank you for your time. I know you're a very busy woman, so I'm not going to take too long today. But I really wanted to, first of all, I want you to introduce yourself. But I really wanted to have your perspective on the podcast today because you're a very special lady. You have this amazing foundation with theology and spirituality and I see creativity as part of this and I really wanted to have you take on that today on this podcast. So bear with me and my little questions. Okay? Absolutely. So, who are you and beyond the titles? And then how do you describe yourself in day-to-day? And how do you describe what you do? Sure. So, I would say at the very heart of who I am is a child of God. Spirituality is at the very core of who I am. So I'm a woman of God. I'm a mother. I'm a daughter. I'm a friend. I'm a wife. I'm an academic. I'm using the titles you told me to not use the titles you know well. Here we are. I'm an intellectual, right? I'm a theologian. And I'm a member of my community. I think at the very heart of who I want to be is a person who's connected to my highest good and seeking to shine that light every day in a dark world. Wow. Wow. How are you starting to trend the way we go? 8.5 in the morning. Let's go. Well, you know the titles, even though I don't like to describe myself with titles. Sometimes the titles are part of it because we earn those titles, right? So, for sure. So, how do you think how do you hold space for your inner identity and for your work in the world? Because I know you personally and I know how deep you are. And I also know how deep the work that you do is. How do you think you can sell both of them? Because not all of us have the chance to be able to express our depth in our professional realm. Do you feel like you have the platform and the possibility to express your inner identity with your work? Does it make sense what I'm saying in English? Yes, yes, yes. I think it makes a lot of sense, Jesse. And I think it's very complex, right? So, you know, when we talk about the titles and what I do for a living to generate an income from my family, I've been a professor, an executive, a small business owner. I've worn multiple hats throughout multiple kind of points of my life, sometimes wearing all those hats at the same time. And I think what I have learned is that my kind of creative energy has to be expressed in different ways. So, personally, in my work, preaching, which I appreciate a few times a year, and Jesse, I know you've seen me on the pulpit, you know, I'm able to express myself creatively there. But that's only a few times, maybe two to three times, maybe four times in a year. And so, most of the time, you know, I met my day job and I'm working, working, right? And so, there are kind of, and I'm a researcher. So, as a researcher, obviously, there is a creativity. I'm able to kind of go after grants. There's a lot of writing involved. And there's a kind of creative enterprise around asking a kind of scientific question and then going through that process of inquiry. But creativity looks differently in different ways. So, now, in my current day job, and I won't really get into all of that. I am figuring out, what are my ideas? And then, how can I implement those ideas because I can be creative in this role? But what I have had to learn is that my creativity is a little bit more limited. So, depending on the role that I've been, it allows my creativity to kind of open up. Or I have to kind of, you know, channel it through a funnel. So, it's not as expansive as it could be because there are some limitations in my current role. And so, now I'm figuring out, okay, well, how do I bring on other people who I'm working with to help me influence, to help us move in that creative direction that I think we could be going in. But it's requiring me to operate differently because I have to bring, again, other people want to understanding my vision. And then, you know, you're having to negotiate what's their vision. And then, how do we have that creative vision together? But that looks, again, differently than the creativity that I'm able to express on my personal time. And in non-kind of work settings and environments. Wow. So, what I heard, what I correct me if I'm wrong, but I hear that you basically are trying to channel your creativity in your day job. But whenever you find that there's limitations, you activate teamwork and your community button to basically bring on people that can do what you're not able to do because of the limitations sometimes of your day-to-day, basically. That's right. Wow. Look at you. See, we already in those keywords. I love that. And you say something that was very powerful. You say that when you are behind the, and forgive me, the English word "excape me" is "pulp-pulp-pred", "pulp-pred"? How do you call that "pulp-pred"? Yes. When you're behind the "pulp-pred", this is where you can unleash your creativity. So, basically, for someone who is attuned to theology and this is fantastic in a life of yours, is creativity a spiritual practice for you because it's very much a spiritual practice for me, but is it one for you as well? Absolutely. Absolutely. And I would even say on that pulpit, sometimes my creativity, I won't say, is limited, but I would say, is redirected. Because when I'm on that pulpit, the first thing I do when I pray is I ask the God Yahweh to use me as a vessel. So, there might be directions, and this happens to me often in this kind of spiritual practice and this kind of process of creating sermons where there's a direction that I feel compelled to go with. But I go into a very deep spiritual state so that looks like fasting, that looks like meditation, that looks like heavy prayer, reading the Bible, but other ancient spiritual texts as well. And then I'm downloading messages from God, so God will tell me, "Well, do this and don't do that, or God will give me particular inspiration." So, even in that moment where I think I'm able to be very expansive and creative, and for me speaking has always been a form of creative outlets. So, when I was younger in church, I was part of the group that would act. I've always been doing debate. I did debate when I was in high schools, a national championship speaker, or a national speaker. That is why you're so great with the spoken word, because you are a very compelling human when you speak. I've listened to your sermons and sometimes I'm like, "Wow, the words that you use and then the energy that comes out of you is very deep." And this is from any kind of faith. You don't have to belong to your faith to actually see and to hear and witness the truth in your word. This is the reason why I also wanted to have you on that podcast, because we have people listening from all over the world, and with different kind of faith, but there is, and I will definitely put a link to one of your sermons, because there is something about the spoken word that comes out of you when you speak with such conviction. And I can tell that in those moments is definitely the creative energy using you as a vessel, if that makes sense. Yes, yes, absolutely. And so, even in those moments, but to me, creation is a divine act, Jesse. And I will also say, you know this, you and I have bonded over this, for the listening audience, so I'm black in Turkish, I grew up in a multi-faith home. So, they're a family, part of my family is Muslim, part of my family is Christian. So I am a Christian, right, right there, because I would be praying with my grandmother, my Turkish grandmother, my baba name, you know, we're on the mat, and it's so funny, because my cousins, they will say, you know, they maybe play, you know, playing, and I was in the corner with baba name, and I was praying. And so, I've just been tapped into this energy for as long as I can remember, I've heard the voice of God at a young age, you know, at that age, you don't really know what that is, but you're hearing and feeling a spirit outside of yourself. And as I got older, you know, I understood what that was, but for me, this is a, to create is a divine act, because if we, and if we just look at the kind of, I'm going to bring in the Bible here, but if we look at the Christian, the Hebrew Bible, which is the Old Testament, right. There is, and this is, if you look in a lot of ancient, you know, traditions, this is not necessarily unique to Christianity. So I will also say that God says, let there be light. So God is creating through word. So that tells me that there is a divine power of the Word. The Bible also later tells us in, in Proverbs that life and death is in the power of the tongue, right. So we can either, and that's in Proverbs 18, 21, we can either create life through what we say, we can create death in what we say. Right. So what is the fruit of what we're saying? So if we know that speaking and creating is a divine act, what are the types of things that we want to create? And, you know, Jesse, I know as I was kind of getting ready for your podcast, you, you know, you asked some, you asked some other questions. In terms of, so, so what, let me, let me, well, let me one go back. Let me, let me go back. So theology when you're asking about creativity and its relationship to meet the, to kind of think theologically in this way for me is a spiritual practice. And it's a, it's an act of creation with God, really with God leading, but I'm following and sometimes I can kind of, you know, add in my thoughts as well. It's a dialogue. I have a dialogue with God. But there are some times where guys like, no, don't do that. You need to, this direction. I have to obey them. Right. And so for me, it is that. And I will say theology for those who may not know, it's a Greek word. Right. So it comes from theos meaning God and then logos meaning reason or work. So what we're doing around theology is we're reasoning about God and divine things. And I'm drawing stories. I'm telling using, you know, scriptures and sacred text. I'm using contemporary happenings to reason about what is God saying in this moment? And how can I apply that to my own life? But theology reasoning about God doesn't have to be limited in that form of creation, doesn't have to be limited just to speaking. Right. You can take place in dance. So there are times when I would go out to the desert. And I would have, you know, my music in the background. Sometimes it's like Sufi music. Yes. And I have one my white. And I'm just in that state of just dancing and whirling around and really being in tune with that larger energy and force for me, which is the God presence. It can take even putting your vibration to the same level. Yes. And for me, the desert is that holy, holy place for me is one of them. Are you, holy places for me? Yeah, absolutely. I feel very connected to the desert. And now I've learned anytime. And I'm in this moment right now, Jesse, you are my friend, you know, you know, some of the personal things that the challenges that I'm going through. And I'm in that moment now of about to go to the desert. And anytime I need to reset, that's, that's become my place of reset. I need to turn the button, you know, switch, switch the computer off. And then reset to a hard reset. And that's the place that I go to. But it can, it can be anything. It can be, I can create in, you know, listening to music and singing along. Now I can't sing. I can for sure cannot sing. But I can feel it, right? I can create through what I draw, you know, I'm no Picasso, but I can create, you know, so there are just so many ways to be able to create. But the question that I, and I know you're supposed to be asking the question is is really not just about the nature of us being creative. But the question I want to ask is, well, what should we be creating? Should we be creating things that inspire people that improve people's lives and conditions? Because I just said life and death for me is in the power of the tongue, according to the text, right? Other spiritual texts as well. And so when we're creating things that are bringing upon death, is that where, is that the highest good for us, for us as an individual person, us as a humanity, you know, is that our highest good? So it's, for me, the question of creation is also not just about creating because people can, you know, create anything. But for me, it's, can we create for the highest good, not only of ourselves, but of the collective consciousness of the world? And that's what I want us to be. You're bringing me to my next question already, but I just want to touch on what you just said. This is what I heard. I heard that they are different ways to practice creativity. So people have to find their own way of practicing. It can come through different, you know, basically, no, no, sorry, I heard that there's different ways to listen to the divine and through different practices, you can actually translate what you heard. That's exactly what I heard you say. And then also people have to find their space where they are more attuned to receive those messages from, from a higher energy. And then I heard more importantly, you telling me that it's one thing to be creative because we can all be creative, but it's another thing to be responsible for what you create and what you create from. That's right. That's right. And this is so deep because you are absolutely correct. My question was, my next question was, do you feel that creativity serves our community? And by our community, you and I share common and ancestry and genetics in the terms that we are mixed races in between two different type of minorities. So I will talk about us, the global South, not necessarily any type of race or color. I'm talking about the global South. Do you feel like in the way of the word in the light of what you just said about how we're not only we can create in so many different shape of form and creation comes from a higher place, right? We should have a vessel that is because sometimes people create from a different place and what comes out is quite quote unquote dark, right? So like, do you feel that in the way that we in the state of the word that we are in the contemporary word that we are right now? Do you feel like creativity as we see it is serving us right now? Do we need to be consciously creating in a, you know, for example, for me for my, when the organization organization with arise, I try to, because now everybody is attuned to creativity. I try to basically use creativity as a therapeutic tool to transmute their negative energy into something positive because sometimes if you don't know, like if you are in a midst of chaos and most like most like most of us are. All you can create from is it from a place of pain? So I'm trying, I'm trying to make sure that those pain in those trauma get released and relieved so we can get to emptying and clearing of the vessel so we can hear a bit of voice. Yes, yes, that's that's that's my work right now. That's where I'm at. But do you feel like right now we are the us the global South. We are using our creativity in a way that serves and then power us or is it mitigated like what what's your what's your take on that? So I think you're asking many complex questions and I would have to I would have to agree with what you said Jesse, there are times where we're in dark moments and we need to be able to express and do that in a way that is therapeutic and cathartic release. So we can clear our own vessel and be in a place to receive. So I agree I would say that that's still trying to move the person to their highest good because there's a therapeutic intent. I think for me creativity and I won't just say in the global South, but I think in the world, I think it's been co-opted by commercial interests. So now we have social media companies that are dictating and showing what people can see on a particular algorithm for the purpose of producing profit. So what does that lead to that leads to people creating content that is designed I learned the word rage bait recently because people want you to watch these videos that will cause you to be outraged and enraged and angry because that creator now is profiting because the algorithm is allowing that type of material to be monetized. So for me, if someone's out there and you can help me create a social media company or a distribution company that is a digital distribution company where we can promote things that are of the highest good, positive stories to help humanity reach out to me or reach out to Jesse so we can do it together. Because right now, I think from the social media, digital media perspective, from the traditional media perspective and there's also something happening in our country where particular types of channels are being suppressed. So people can't create because they're being told by the establishment if you create any right certain things, I'm going to punish you or I'm going to take away your job. And so there is also this kind of atmosphere I think where people are creating in a space of fear because they don't want to be punished. And so I really worry about the state of where we are every day, you know, I come across people who are creating wonderful, wonderful things. But do the powers that be this, again, the media companies, the tech conglomerates, the traditional corporate interests, do they want to support that? I don't think so. And so it makes it difficult for people to create these things that serve a higher good and a higher collective consciousness when there is no outlet. And so I still think people should create and do these things, but we want it to impact the world. And to do that in this moment, you need these channels, you need these technologies. And so I really worry about that. I also, you know, worry about the space of artificial intelligence. And I know we're kind of getting out out here right now, but I worry about what that is doing to our brains and don't get me wrong. I use AI in my job and in my day. Not as a replacement. Not as a replacement and not as my source. You know, when the calculator came out, I'm sure people were worried about calculators, but we use those calculators to do more complex equations. And so now with AI, we have to be able to do more complex things. But I worry about AI and use the term replacement when it's trying to replace. So I just saw an album that was put out by an AI bot. Okay. And not only is the album and created by AI, but who is the first, and I don't know that this is the first AI bot album, but it's definitely peaked on the charts and all of that from what I understand. And it's a black AI inspired woman. And so I'm also wondering, well, wow, here we are creating these bots. And the most successful or the, you know, one that is, you know, risen at the top of the charts right now is some AI bot that's trying to put on the face of the literal face and kind of musical style. R&B style of black women. I saw this morning, I read the news in the middle of the night or in the morning. And I saw that there is some AI company out there, and it's an AI bot that they've created. And I'm just using that term bot as a lack of a better word, but an AI avatar, whatever the correct word is, please excuse me. And it's an actress and AI actress that is also a woman. Yeah, so is it that girl that everybody's trying to sign in Hollywood right now? I guess I don't know. I just saw this article. And so, you know, I worry about where we're becoming in terms of humanity when AI is gaining so much power. And, you know, what people have to understand with these algorithms is you put junk into the algorithm, you get junk out, right? And so these algorithms are limited. They're limited in their ability because there's only a finite amount of information at some point we can put in. Right. So, you know, what does that mean for us as humans to be able to create? And I worry now with where we are with technology when there is now going to be a commodification of creative forms through AI. Right, because now, and again, AI is, you know, likely, of course, there are some environmental consequences of all of these servers and the energy and all of that that's required. So, there are some, you know, immediate consequences and long term, I think, consequences of using all of this energy. But a chat, GPT, you know, subscription a month is $10. And I don't know what these other subscriptions are, these other technologies, these people that are investing into these businesses. I'm sure, you know, there is a large upward cost. But my, you know, my worry is that if we have these bots and technologies and avatars creating, of course it's going to be at some point cheaper to use that technology than to have humans. Because humans, you know, need insurance, they need a living wage. And so, I also am just worried about creativity as a practice when, you know, the technology is kind of outpacing. For sure. And it's against. Hello? Can you hear me? Yeah, I hear you, sorry. You know, I absolutely agree with that, with that, with that view. And you know, if I was to bring it back to theology and I'm nowhere near your level in research of the scriptures and the text and all religions included. Because I know your research not just from the Bible, but from any kind of like text that speaks to you. You know, I would say that throughout the history of earth, there is rise and fall of other empires. And then we've always seen that when empires fall, it's always at the height of, at the moment for them, their own technology, if that makes sense. Like at the height of their sophistication, you know, and I just think that earth is very resilient. Earth has been here before us. And you know, I'm saying like earth only has a tsunami for this to stop against you. But like, you know, and I'm not a doomsday person. I'm someone who believes in the positivity of humanity. But I do think that when we are the time of change and everything will change and this age of information and technology will prevail. But all we can do us who have that human experience is to hang on to it because this form of creation that they are creating will eventually collapse. And when he does collapse, the only thing that will stay and continue to stay will be the human experience as throughout the ages and throughout the rise and fall of all those different types of super advanced kingdoms and empires that we have seen throughout the time. They always fall at some point and then what what prevails is is humanity rebuilding again. And I think at some point this age that we haven't even witnessed the height of this age. We are just entering it to be honest with you, which is very scary for us mothers who have children because I know sometimes I look at movies and I'm like. When my son will be 50, life will be very different than what it is right now. And sometimes I try to hang on and to teach him about nature and about physical skills because everything will change. By the time he is an adult and a full-blown adult everything will look very different. We are the last generation that have seen that have begun to have witnessed this beginning of information as the way it is. I remember a time my parents didn't have cell phones. Now it's almost unheard of, right? So I do think that your worries is absolutely like you are right to worry and I also worry but I do think that in all civilizations as a rise and as a fall we haven't been witnessed the height of this information civilization. But when it does happen there will be a fall and only humanity and the human experience will prevail but in between you are right what we have to do is hang on to this human experience of creativity, not shaped by commercial interest. Yes, not shaped by capitalism really, not shaped by competition, by shape by the human experience and is still very hard to find. And as Dilara said, anybody out there who has the means to continue to uplift and empower voices that come from the human experience and not from the artificial intelligence please reach out because at the end of the day this is what will have to prevail. Resistance will have to happen. Yes, yes and Jesse as you say that I think it's a story in the Bible called the Tower of Babel in Genesis 11 and you know the humans in that story want to build this city with the tower to reach to the heavens. And you cannot become God and look you know God sees this and destroys that tower and you know this is used to explain you know different land people why people have different languages and all that and of course you know the Bible tells stories and parables and myths and parables like but I always go back to technology is that the new tower of Babel where we're trying to reach you know a God like of course. The intelligence that to me is unreachable unless that God like force is communicating directly with you and we're trying to become you know that force. But that's that's what we destroy. Yeah, so I absolutely all we will have left is the creative experience. That's but you know when creation tried to become just as strong as the ultimate creator it is bound to fail because creation has to remember that it was creative. So like I you know I think we're going to see the height of this age and civilization but I do believe that there will be an end to it eventually but in the in between would it be a schedule. So yes, I agree with that but like in in that sense you know because I don't want to take too much of your time and we can go on with that because it's you such a deep person to exchange with. Did you have for the for the human experience that is this going to start and continue to resist to be able to to to to have this positive uplifting creativity. Do you have any piece of writing from you or from anybody else that that can resonate and that that should that's maybe you can read for us or you can point towards so we can. You know from from for the also the audience can maybe you know keep it like I have a set of information that I read daily like but like is there anything for you that you will say you know what. You as a human in this new age of information please this is my little piece of writing for you to you could just be a paragraph or phrase or a word or say just remember that in your journey. Yes there's one scripture and we some of those writings I read allow today when we talked about kind of Genesis and God saying let there be light. So I hope that close to my heart but there's one other scripture it's in the New Testament it's in Romans 417 and it says as it is written I have made you a father of many nations. He is our father in the sight of God in whom he believed the God who gives life to the dead and calls into being things that were not and really the point that I want to phrase that I want to focus on is that part that calls into being things that were not. And I hold on to that because God in Genesis calls into being calls into existence things that were not there was darkness there was no light and God God calls into being calls into calls into the darkness light and says let there be light and there is and so if there's anything that I want people to take away from this beautiful exchange that we've had together is that through the divine we have. Through the supernatural power and by pulling into that God calls things into being calls calls into being things that were not so if there is a situation or circumstance that you're going through and you're going through that therapeutic creative journey with Jesse and you're unhappy or you are angry or you are. You are frustrated or you are in a place in your life that you don't want to be and there is a meditation I will send you Jesse to share to link to this app and all parts of the meditation you know there's some parts of it that I like more than others but I think it's a really power so five to six minute manifestation meditation. But the greater point is that I want people to understand is that there is something to speaking when it comes to the brain and how it functions and so even if you're not in the situation that you want to be speak that over your life and continue to speak it over your life because the brain it's going to start focusing on what you're saying. Do you know that and there is a sermon that I would have to try to find this particular sermon but I but I preached it some time ago and I actually come back to this theme very often of the nature of creation because I think it's so so centered in the Bible but basically your brain you can you don't have to have an experience for your body to feel like you're in a particular experience so you can expose yourself to you know particular types of video particular types of stimulus. And sometimes the brain can't really differentiate and there's a whole you know and I'm not a neurologist so I don't want to go there but I get it to it in the story because I'm quoting all the you know people in the space and basically you know the brain really can't it's not distinguishing you know reality from from from what is not real right. And that's why you can be in a movie and you feel afraid sure because you know you're seeing something scary but you're you're really you're really not faced with life or death right you're watching a scary movie but you you have all the emotion you feel the emotion you feel afraid you know you're sweating you're experiencing all because the brain is not distinguishing hey this is a movie and this is this is not real this is made to entertain. So if you go from that kind of neurological cons you know what we know in in the scientific concepts. You can turn start with your mind and start with that force of creation and create the reality that you want around you. And then on a cellular level you know your mind and the cells in your body will start trying to achieve that reality and for me I do it for 21 days. And anytime that I'm trying to create a new reality I go into a state of fasting there's a fast copy Daniel fast it's a 21 day fast and then you have to not only do the you know physical fasting and sacrifice but you want to have the right kind of words that you know you are calling into existence and then your brain will start to seek that reality because our brain is getting so much content every day it has to have a way to be able to screen things out. So there are all these biases because the brain just can't you know it's a very powerful you know powerful organ but it has to make some decisions. So once you start making that decision I'm going to be positive I am and even if you're having a negative experience it's I am learning from this experience and I know that I am moving forward in my life to X Y Z. I am moving forward in my life to create something greater I am experiencing this negative moment to be able to learn from this moment so I am being patient in experiencing this because there's something I'm supposed to take away so we have to start changing our words. So that you know we can change our brain and we're changing our spirit and returning our spirit and then you know slowly you will start to manifest that reality because then you will start to be attracted to all these things outside of you that are going to pull you know you in that right direction. So I just want anyone who's listening and I know we're closing out I want anyone who's listening to know you can turn it around and it's crazy as it sounds you can speak your next existence into reality and you can believe that for yourself now what you have to be comfortable with and this is the manifestation that tells you you know it may not look the way that you want to it may not be exactly how you thought but it's going to be for your highest and your greatest good. And so for me you know there I have my childhood fantasies of where my life was going to be at a particular time but when I think about what God has done in particular moments what has been given to me it's what I have experience is greater than what I could have imagined because my purview is so limited and God's purview is expansive and infinite so I might be reaching in a direction it may go slightly different than what I imagine but that's always for my highest good. Absolutely not absolutely and if I may add to I know you have to go back to her which is I think it's a very important to piggyback on what she said this there is I had to add that there is some delight just give you should you just give a key right there like I think it's a universal knowledge key but it's because you're very deep and I need to make it plain a little bit for the brain people have to guard the thoughts in their brain. Because as you said as the thought is a creative thought right and then if you start if you have the ability to focus on something with your brain and like you know you go through the process of the 21 days fast and then you you you do this meditation so you basically channeling the thoughts in your brain for your higher a higher vision as to what you're living right now. The way the word is right now is trying to limit people's ability to be able to do that the reason why AI and all those you know all those other things were like literally like shutting down your brain is so you cannot access that creative thoughts and I will say this is this is what most important people have to protect the thoughts that are in their brain and and no matter what situation as Delara has said please know that your reality I actually give the scripture which is you know a beautiful beautiful truth and a beautiful parable to say that your reality is not condition and bound by the physical reality you can actually see a better version of yourself and you can think about a version of yourself and you can visualize the better version of yourself. yourself and then you work towards it but that comes through the brain and if the brain is affected, then nothing really comes out of it. So I will say, "Guard your thoughts." Because the thoughts are creative. Absolutely, absolutely. And I'll just say one other thing as we close, which is that for me, there's one truth in terms of humanity, in terms of reality, in terms of the human condition, in terms of consciousness, in terms of goodness, in terms of what we're supposed to be as a people, right? And there are multiple versions of that revelation, right? So that revelation comes through the prophet Muhammad, that revelation comes through Jesus Christ, that revelation comes through in other kind of spiritual traditions. And so, and God bless both of them, right? And so, but the more that we are attuned to, you know, what is the central. what is the truth, right? And for me, one of those universal truths is the fact that we can create in our words. It doesn't matter how that message, who the messenger is, because it's a universal truth. It's when a person applies their truth. Yeah, just book in different ways, in different languages, that's it. But it's the same truth. It's the same truth. It just may look a little differently. Yeah, it's adapted to different cultures, because we was revealed by different people, according to what their cultural things were at the time, right? So, that's right. Exactly. And sometimes we might not even know, but some of those deep down cultures, maybe in the Amazon, have their own revelation that it's adapted to them, and then they leave accordingly to it. You know, that's right. The truth is the truth with the big T, but it's spoken in different languages. I agree with you. That's right. That's right. That's right, that's right. That's because we crisp lips. Oh my goodness. Thank you. I love it, but I'm just going to, okay, I'm going to let you go. But the last question, if you have a magic one and you can change something right now, what would it be? For people to create in their height, toward their highest good. Oh, I mean, I mean, absolutely. I mean, and then you know, I say, I know you and I are both working on that on our different ways. And I am so glad that we came together today as one voice. And I hope that we will continue to find you and I a middle ground to continue. Because I need to work with you. I want to work with you. You absolutely fantastic. And anybody who wants to work with Delara, please, I will put her contact. Feel free to contact her. She's a fantastic, you heard all the titles. But more importantly, she's a fantastic human being. Oh, thank you, Jesse. You are too. And thank you so much for this platform and the opportunity and for creating. And I just want to bless you, Jesse. Jesse has this group of moms, a mom circle that she's created. And I was just telling my husband and I'm getting kind of choked up. I feel a tear for me. And it's just such a beautiful space that she has created and the intentionality, the presence. And so, Jesse, everything that you're doing creatively, with your family as well, the entrepreneur, shipping devers, your creative endeavors, and also where you're channeling, your highest good right now. I just really want to bless you. I want to celebrate you. And I want to thank you. Thank you, Delara. You made me cry. It's 9/30. Thank you, Mom. I thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate you. Really. This will look me 20 minutes and we are 45 minutes away with all worth it. All right. Let's you go to work. Thank you. I love you, Delara. Thank you so much. All right. Thank you. Bye-bye.