Congress Takes A Break

what's up what's up people welcome to a brand new episode of part of the problem i am dave smith thank you very much for uh for joining for taking the time to listen to me uh just me this episode rolling solo thank you to everybody who came out this weekend in dallas man what a great time uh always love doing those hyenas clubs there in fort worth in dallas uh if you're if you're in that area man those are a couple of great comedy clubs that they got there thank you so much to everybody who came out great great shows uh this weekend and then well i'm off this this weekend i get a nice one with the family uh but then we'll be back out on the road we got um what is the next stop oh the next up is salt lake city and las vegas uh so i will be headed out there salt lake city and las vegas i'm bringing you robbie the fire bernstein with me of course comic dave smith.com uh for all of those ticket links and of course rob's going all around the country on his own as well uh porch tour.com for all his stuff and of course check out rob's other show run your mouth fantastic hilarious show um okay so a few things that are on my mind uh for today's show uh the first one i alluded to on the uh the members only show that we did over the weekend by the way if you're interested in that you can go to our website at partoftheproblem.com and if you guys are unaware we do four shows uh a week it's not just three there's a fourth show but you have to subscribe over at partoftheproblem.com uh to get the fourth show and then you also get the show every day when it streams ad free uncensored the entire archive of the show and of course you get to to support us if you love what we're doing as a please do if you can't subscribe over at partoftheproblem.com and thank you to all of those of you who have um but so i find this is the kind of point of view that i'm going to be using for this show and i'm going to be using it for the rest of that i wanted to make i alluded to this on the members only episode but i'd wanted to get uh into it more fully here but this really is remarkable to me and this has to do with i guess what has been a major theme of this show over the last year uh i guess the last year plus you know the summer's over here uh we're we're like into the fall i guess i don't know when is technically the summer over but it's right around now um and you so the summer of 26 is over it was at the beginning of the summer of 2025 that i i guess officially uh jumped with both feet off of the trump train and publicly called for his impeachment um i think i'm not sure about this i've never actually bothered to look this up but i do think of the people who supported trump um i i you know i mean i don't know i guess it's kind of arbitrary how you'd measure it but i think it's kind of arbitrary how you'd measure it but i think it's kind of arbitrary how you'd measure this but of the big name people who supported donald this but of the big name people who supported donald trump i think i was the first one trump i think i was the first one trump i think i was the first one to jump off and certainly to jump off and certainly to jump off and certainly one of the first if not the first and one of the first if not the first and one of the first if not the first and ones who jumped off like the most ones who jumped off like the most ones who jumped off like the most ferociously i called for his you know ferociously i called for his you know ferociously i called for his you know impeachment and impeachment and impeachment and i think a trial maybe who remembers but i i think a trial maybe who remembers but i i think a trial maybe who remembers but i was right anyway um was right anyway um was right anyway um yeah i mean i joined the latest and i yeah i mean i joined the latest and i yeah i mean i joined the latest and i left the earliest or something like that left the earliest or something like that left the earliest or something like that of the trump uh coalition but of the trump uh coalition but of the trump uh coalition but i you know i remember at that time to i you know i remember at that time to i you know i remember at that time to me when he launched the 12-day war and me when he launched the 12-day war and me when he launched the 12-day war and he covered up the epstein uh files it he covered up the epstein uh files it he covered up the epstein uh files it was like it was obvious the decision the was like it was obvious the decision the was like it was obvious the decision the administration had made and i think administration had made and i think administration had made and i think over the last year year and a few months over the last year year and a few months over the last year year and a few months that's kind of been borne out now you that's kind of been borne out now you that's kind of been borne out now you know that's from my perspective know that's from my perspective know that's from my perspective one of the major arguments along the one of the major arguments along the one of the major arguments along the way as we've talked about on the show way as we've talked about on the show way as we've talked about on the show has been let's say as has been let's say as has been let's say as over that period of time over that period of time over that period of time you know if you remember this was like you know if you remember this was like you know if you remember this was like i was like kind of the first one at i was like kind of the first one at i was like kind of the first one at least in my circle of of people who least in my circle of of people who least in my circle of of people who jumped off but over that period of time jumped off but over that period of time jumped off but over that period of time now obviously tucker and megan kelly and now obviously tucker and megan kelly and now obviously tucker and megan kelly and alex jones and candace owens and you alex jones and candace owens and you alex jones and candace owens and you know uh know uh know uh i mean i wouldn't say i don't know i mean i wouldn't say i don't know exactly what the status with rogan is exactly what the status with rogan is exactly what the status with rogan is but he's certainly been very critical of but he's certainly been very critical of but he's certainly been very critical of a lot of the policies a lot of the policies a lot of the policies um and theo vaughn and guys and andrew um and theo vaughn and guys and andrew um and theo vaughn and guys and andrew schultz and all these guys have been schultz and all these guys have been schultz and all these guys have been very critical of the administration and very critical of the administration and very critical of the administration and um um um during that time the guys who still during that time the guys who still during that time the guys who still supported donald trump supported donald trump supported donald trump essentially i would say their biggest argument i would say their biggest argument i would say their biggest argument although there's been a few but probably although there's been a few but probably although there's been a few but probably their biggest argument has been their biggest argument has been their biggest argument has been that hey guys you're essentially that hey guys you're essentially that hey guys you're essentially giving in to the radical left like look giving in to the radical left like look giving in to the radical left like look the democrats and the leftists who the democrats and the leftists who the democrats and the leftists who who did so much damage over the last you who did so much damage over the last you who did so much damage over the last you know however many years know however many years know however many years you're gonna let them right back into you're gonna let them right back into you're gonna let them right back into power um and and in some ways power um and and in some ways power um and and in some ways you know half of the uh half of the you know half of the uh half of the you know half of the uh half of the attacks from these guys attacks from these guys attacks from these guys on people like us is that on people like us is that on people like us is that we sound like the leftists or we're we sound like the leftists or we're we sound like the leftists or we're siding with the leftists like siding with the leftists like siding with the leftists like oh my god dave you know i get this all oh my god dave you know i get this all oh my god dave you know i get this all the time like you keep talking about the time like you keep talking about the time like you keep talking about palestine or the genocide over there palestine or the genocide over there palestine or the genocide over there whatever it's like what are you one of whatever it's like what are you one of whatever it's like what are you one of these leftists now you're at now you're these leftists now you're at now you're these leftists now you're at now you're out doing shows with anna kasparian out doing shows with anna kasparian out doing shows with anna kasparian after all this time we fought against after all this time we fought against after all this time we fought against the the kind of like um the the kind of like um the the kind of like um woke insanity or whatever woke insanity or whatever woke insanity or whatever and and and you know look i'll say this you know look i'll say this you know look i'll say this at at least to some degree when you hear at at least to some degree when you hear at at least to some degree when you hear people like ben shapiro or whoever make people like ben shapiro or whoever make people like ben shapiro or whoever make these arguments there is at least some these arguments there is at least some these arguments there is at least some degree of like overlap in agreement degree of like overlap in agreement degree of like overlap in agreement between us and them and so maybe it's between us and them and so maybe it's between us and them and so maybe it's fair to just for the sake of this point fair to just for the sake of this point fair to just for the sake of this point that i'm getting to that i'm getting to that i'm getting to maybe it's fair to just point that out maybe it's fair to just point that out maybe it's fair to just point that out but we certainly would agree right that but we certainly would agree right that but we certainly would agree right that yeah the democrats were awful we don't yeah the democrats were awful we don't yeah the democrats were awful we don't want to hand power back to the want to hand power back to the want to hand power back to the democratic establishment that democratic establishment that democratic establishment that essentially was governing during joe essentially was governing during joe essentially was governing during joe biden's presidency which also was biden's presidency which also was biden's presidency which also was governing during the obama presidency governing during the obama presidency governing during the obama presidency and you know particularly i guess for me and you know particularly i guess for me and you know particularly i guess for me as someone who i think as someone who i think as someone who i think when it comes to like street cred on when it comes to like street cred on when it comes to like street cred on the issue of criticizing woke insanity the issue of criticizing woke insanity the issue of criticizing woke insanity or criticizing the democratic or criticizing the democratic or criticizing the democratic establishment establishment establishment i really take a back seat to no one um i really take a back seat to no one um i really take a back seat to no one um in fact i think i was probably in fact i think i was probably in fact i think i was probably light years ahead of almost all i mean light years ahead of almost all i mean light years ahead of almost all i mean you know you have to go through them but you know you have to go through them but you know you have to go through them but almost all the warhawks who criticize us almost all the warhawks who criticize us now you know they'll take my position on russiagate now but how many of them had it at the time and how many of them who were against it were even like soft against it like well there should be an investigation we should get to the bottom of any russian collusion because like they didn't see through it as like the deep state coup that it was um so now you know now they're trump loyalists but back then and again during covet of course that none of their track record was good maybe maybe one of them but most of them was terrible anyway you know there is something about that accusation that um hey you're whatever you're doing here you're about to let the radical left back in and i do i remember in fact there was one i think i want to say it was a meet the press interview with pat buchanan but who knows because pat was on tv so much back in those days um but there was one where they were asking him about if you if for those of you who don't know pat buchanan like he was a um you know he worked for several presidential administrations and he mounted a very serious um primary uh presidential campaign in 1992 but in the year 2000 he ran on the reform party and it all just kind of fell apart he didn't get a lot of votes but the famous thing he's known for in that election is that he got a bunch of votes in the like these jewish counties in florida and the overwhelming suspicion is like i think it was i can't remember the details i think it was like if you looked at the way the voting cards were the people clearly thought they were voting for al gore and accidentally voted for pat buchanan and this was the margin of error it would have given him the state of florida and therefore the presidency because it came down to florida that year so anyway but so they um i think they were asking at one point him about getting al gore elected like what if you running against the running as a third party took votes away that would have gone to george bush and now you got al gore elected and he was like oh my god that is terrifying that would be on my tombstone there he lies he got al gore elected and so anyway in a way it's like this criticism isn't anything new it's what the anti-war right-wingers always get you know just go along with the team because we're a little bit better than them so hold your nose through this next war but you know those of us that many of us uh don't agree to do that with this one uh for a lot of reasons and pat buchanan was right to not agree to do it back then um anyway so this kind of attack that hey man you know while you're sitting here turning your back on donald trump what this is going to lead to the democrats coming back i think that it's you know it look i'm not going to say it's a good line of attack but it probably is the best line of attack that they have and you could understand why they'd make it you know it's like well look if we have nothing else other than we have consensus that the whole pretending biden isn't senile and transing the kids and supporting the war in ukraine and forcing people to get the covid vaccination we have consensus that that's all bad so let's go back to that and and you got to understand where from like my perspective probably the perspective of a lot of people who listen to this show it's it's pretty goddamn infuriating because if you think about any of those issues that i just laid out i guarantee i was good on them before all these people were and now they they are gonna invoke our country, of consensus against those things and of course our response to this all along has been no dummy like you guys are handing power back over to them that's why you don't go launch a war that nobody wants to fight and lose it on top of that um because this is what's going to give power back to that crazy establishment well as we sit here right now we are in the last week of uh september or the last full week of september meaning we're basically into october it's we're a month away from the midterm elections and i just can't overstate how crazy i think this is okay so however you've been um however you feel about that entire fight that's gone down over the last year you know the say ben shapiro's and levin's and whoever else on the warhawks on one side and then you know tucker carlson and and guys like me or whatever over on the other side and they've essentially been saying oh look you guys well first off they they oscillate back and forth between saying you guys don't matter tucker carlson doesn't matter no one cares this doesn't affect real people to now saying as i predicted they would earlier in the year to now saying you guys are destroying the coalition you have no reason why we're gonna lose the midterms and look you're handing power back over to the democrats and then their biggest like uh indictment seems to be that some of you rascals have even said you're gonna support the democrats or you hope that the democrats win you know i think nick fuentes said he's gonna support the democrats i believe correct me if i'm getting that wrong i think he said that and i certainly said that they they they have to win the midterms you know because you know, lies you into war has to be punished. And so that's their big, you know, out like, oh, well, look, you guys are either indirectly or directly giving aid and comfort to the Democrats and they're going to destroy this country. They are such a big threat. Right. And it's so like, hey, we're all in agreement that, yes, they are a big threat. And we could go down the list of the things that the Democratic establishment and like left leaning Americans people have done over the last 15, 20 years and how insane it all is. Maybe another episode we could do that. But just listen, sign up at part of the problem dot com and listen to this podcast. The last 15 years we've been covering it, I think. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is the Wellness Company. Americans love sushi. Over the last two decades, raw fish consumption has exploded. Sushi bars are everywhere. Millions of people now eat raw fish weekly. But there is a hidden risk that most people never think about. 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You like let's really distill it down. I guess it's that if we had kept our mouth shut, or perhaps, perhaps if I'm trying to be as charitable as possible, they're going, guys like me, let's say could have voiced our criticism for policies that we don't like in the Trump administration, while overall still supporting Donald Trump, right? So there's probably a way that I could have let you guys know on this show that I didn't agree with the decision to go to war in Iran. But then I could have like, I could have not focused on that so much. I could have talked about that. And then really talked about some radical leftist policy, some Democrats somewhere, I could have kept it more like, let me still try to help the Republican side and get them over, right? Like, like, I'm just saying that we could have done that. And then we'd be in a stronger position than we were to essentially break away and trash Donald Trump and and renounce the regime. And and this part I will if I'm trying to be as charitable as possible. This part, I'll give them some like, if I'm being completely fair, because I have noticed this dynamic a bunch, right? Like Pierce has had me on a couple times where it's like me versus Trump supporter. And a Democrat check in there too. And it ends up just being me versus the Trump supporter. And then she is just kind of a waste of time. I guess my point is that guys like me and guys like Tucker and guys like Joe Kent. We make the argument a lot better than most liberals can. And so in that sense, we are kind of like handing them ammo. We're handing them talking points. We're handing them whether we mean to do it or not. We're handing them the best way to attack Donald Trump. And so in some sense, these Ben Shapiro Mark Levin types can argue, hey, you guys breaking in this way aids them over this administration, right? But then we could sit here and the counter argument, obviously, that I would make is just, fuck this whole game. I don't play that game. I tell the truth to my audience. That's the agreement I have with my audience. I don't go. I don't cycle this through the mind of a political operative because I'm not a political operative. And that, to me, is almost like very inherent. It's very fundamental in the DNA of whatever the hell this show is. Whatever the hell it is that is me talking and you listening right now. Very fundamental in the thing there is that I'm like, hey, I'm a guy. I'm an American talking to other Americans about what I see as the state of our country. But I'm not a political operative. I'm not trying to be a political operative feeding you something in a way designed to manipulate you into an opinion. And if I was doing that, that would feel like wrong. That would feel like a betrayal of kind of the agreement here. So anyway, so essentially, so my counter to the Ben Shapiro types is, number one, I don't do that. I'm not in the business of trying to get one political party elected over the other. I'm in the business of telling the truth to people as I see it. It's a different thing. And then, like, number two, it's like, no, if you're so worried about that other group of people, then you don't launch a war of aggression on behalf of a foreign country and lie your way into it. Sorry. That's the answer. You know, like, it's it's this is like during COVID when what's his name? What's his name? The pretend intellectual who talks about me all the time, but is too much of a coward to ever see me. I'm sorry. I know that's not specific enough. Sam Harris. So in Sam Harris says during COVID, what was the I'm sorry, what was the argument that I wanted to to compare here? So, oh, oh, so during COVID, Sam Harris was I apologize for that during that during COVID, Sam Harris would make the argument. You know, the real problem here is that people like Joe Rogan and Dave Smith are sowing distrust in institutions, but we need institutions. And you're like, that's the argument. The argument like that's the argument the argument is that when we point out that they lie people are less likely to trust them like i don't know i mean like this is like uh this is like the guy who's cheating all over his wife getting mad at the person who told his wife you told her and now she doesn't trust our marriage like yeah okay fine but really the problem was what you were doing i i don't know it's just too it's it's hard to take it seriously but anyway so that's so so yeah our argument which is clearly the correct one is number one we don't believe in lying and number two it's your fault that you've undermined this like the whole point you can't just get up at your convention get up at all these different speeches and all these different interviews and promise no new wars and then launch and then launches into the obvious war of choice that was always on the table while you were saying no new wars you know you launched it anyway okay so that's but here's really the point this really is the kicker for this argument that like i just kind of i think briefly and i think fairly and charitably laid out their side of the argument and our side of the argument but for this argument to exist for their argument or our argument or our counter argument to not be contradicted in order for it to be valid the the agreement is that the democrats are really bad they're a big threat okay we we can agree on that like i said before we could go through the litany some other time but we could agree on that um and and certainly i don't know i mean there's people out there who say you know kind of wild things and by my disposition by my nature i'm a little bit adverse to like making wild claims but people say if the democrats come back in they will do X or Y. I don't know. I mean, I do think it's reasonable to think some things like they will try to impeach Trump again. They will have investigations and subpoenas. They will tie up the administration. I think that's reasonable. You know, but like they will institute a central bank digital currency. They will do lockdowns again. They'll do forced vaccinations. They'll do forced gender reassignment surgery. You know, I don't know. Who knows if they'll do any of that stuff? However, given what they did over the last 20 years, it's not that crazy that people would think they're going to ramp it up if they get in there again. Well, OK. All right. So cut to today. Another thing I think we can all objectively agree on, not looking great for the Republicans going into the midterms, which are, by the way, as I mentioned before, in a month. In a month. You know, so much of the what really I think could be described as a countercultural movement over the last 15 years, the anti-woke movement that ultimately was victorious, at least to some degree, certainly has rolled it back from where it was. You know, there's I mean, a lot of people played roles in that, you know, there was a huge mass like kind of pushback against so much of that, that cultural insanity. What I think could be studied if we return to normalcy could be studied by historians as a true moment of like, you know, mass psychosis. But so much of that pushback that culminated in the success of Donald Trump's victories in the 2024 election, you know, was so many of us fought and did our little part to battle back against that woke insanity and all of the policies and cultural norms that surrounded it. And in 2024, you know, Donald Trump comes in, he wins the presidency. He's got the Supreme Court, a somewhat handpicked Supreme Court. He's got control of the House of Representatives and the Senate. And the Democrats are in the toilet. They had like a 22 percent approval rating as a party, humiliated with the catastrophe of Joe Biden having to pull out in the fourth quarter and then Kamala Harris humiliating herself internationally. You know, the Democrats were destroyed. This very dangerous thing that we all agreed was destroyed. And then the Republicans come in and the Republicans have control of the Congress and the Supreme Court and the White House. And this was our moment. And so as you sit here and you go, OK, we're a month away from what we all agree is likely going to be however any of us feel at this point is likely going to be Democrats taking back control of the Congress, certainly the House of Representatives, and quite possibly, quite likely the Senate as well. Certainly the House. OK, so we're about we now all know we're all in agreement here. I think this party represents a huge threat. And this party is also about to come back into political power. So as we sit a month out, we might ask ourselves, I think this is a fair way to grade the Trump administration. If you're telling me the communists are at the door. This is not Joe Biden or Barack Obama, as bad as that was for our nation, it may have ultimately destroyed this great nation. Right. Well, it's certainly devastating for it. As bad as that was, you're telling me something even worse is. You're telling me something even worse is. Well, with this opportunity that we had over this two year period, what have we done to institutionally protect the American people, the American Republic, the American nation from what these Democrats are about to bring? And I'll I'll wait for answers on that. You know, we know that the leftists went through the long march of the institutions and took over every damn near every single one of them. And I think that's what we're going to see. really add some bit of perspective to this whole argument that we've been having over the last year. Oh yeah. We're the, we're the bad guys for, for telling the truth about this nightmare. All right. Um, so I also did the other thing I wanted to do, uh, for today's episode is I wanted to respond to this, uh, this video I've been getting, uh, more and more particularly lately, uh, particularly over the last week. I guess maybe it's since maybe it's because of the Alan Dershowitz debate or the way that that went, but now I'm getting a lot of people sending me, uh, Victor, uh, Davis Hanson clips saying that, uh, I got to take on this guy. This is the guy who really will smack down my shit. Um, which is kind of interesting. I've been through several layers of, uh, I'm really trying to find the Tootsie roll in the end of this Tootsie pop, but everybody, I keep saying that this next guy is going to be the guy who smacks me down. You know, I remember when people were telling me I was going to get loomered by Laura Loomer. Um, and then after I debated Laura Loomer, I bet, remember that was the big knock. Like, oh yeah, you'll do that to Laura Loomer. She doesn't know anything, but why don't you try that with Dennis Prager, you know? And then, and then of course, Douglas Murray was supposed to be the big, bad wolf. And even, even, uh, this is, we were saying with, um, Alan Dershowitz going into it, I was like, well, I guess he is the most accredited accomplished arguer of, of any of the Warhawks. So let's say that. And of course he had nothing too. Um, I will say, you know, I like Victor Davis Hanson. I read, uh, two of his books, I think two of his books, definitely one of his books. I think I read two of his books. Um, and I've watched a bunch of his lectures and stuff. He's, you know, he's like the best of the neocon guys, um, in many ways. And he, um, well, he, what was interesting of, of like all those, I don't know if he was ever like technically a superhero. I don't know if he was ever like a superhero. I don't know if he was ever a self-identified neoconservative, but he certainly supported George W. Bush's whole war on terrorism. Um, and, but, you know, he's a really interesting, very smart, very well-read guy. And to his credit, I will say he, unlike a lot of the other neocons, he dealt with and grappled with the Trump moment, uh, way better than any of them. You know, like a lot of the other neocons were like when Trump rose, you know, they just kind of shrieked racism and, you know, a rejection of the global international order. And he was at least, Victor Davis Hanson was at least kind of like, no, it's not racism. It's like an understandable reaction against mass demographic change. And then he actually endorsed the idea that we should really change the global world order. Um, I think not in the way that some of us more sane people would like. Okay. That being said, he definitely also supported this war in Iran and it's a really good thing. Um, you know, I think it's, it's a really good thing. Um, I think it's a really good thing. Um, created anything i just podcast about it and then maybe it comes true so anyway let's take apart uh these arguments because you know how it is we can't let any of these arguments stand um here is victor this is yeah this is like a version someone took out of the video and put a background you know how people do that anyway it's the argument that matters let's play we're hearing a lot of charges since october 7th that israel has committed a litany of war crimes let's examine them very carefully because i think they tell us more about the accuser than they do the accused we're we're told by a lot of representatives in our own congress let's let's stop it right there let's let's stop right there here and you can pull it back a few seconds because i do want to get into what his argument is but i will say as is this is almost like a throwback now having to take on these things you know it's like when people would be like uh before i got the dennis prager debate people would be like here's a video dennis prager made and i'd take that on here's a video ben shapiro made it about you know the history of israel and they're all just so loaded with propaganda but sometimes especially when there's a very skilled orator a very smart person like victor davis hansen you do kind of have to like break this down let's look at this tactic because the first thing he does here is he goes okay so in the west it's become popular this idea that israel's committed a litany of war crimes okay that's the very specific accusation that israel's committed a litany of war crimes and that accusation that israel's committed a litany of war crimes is the accusation that israel's committed a litany of war crimes is the accusation that israel's committed a litany of war crimes and that accusation that israel's committed a litany of war crimes is the accusation that israel's committed a litany of war crimes is more about the accuser is more about the accuser is more about the accuser than it does about the accusation than it does about the accusation than it does about the accusation wait so we've already moved in just to wait so we've already moved in just to wait so we've already moved in just to the very next sentence we've moved from the very next sentence we've moved from the very next sentence we've moved from let's examine the claim to see whether let's examine the claim to see whether let's examine the claim to see whether the claim is correct or not to in like a the claim is correct or not to in like a the claim is correct or not to in like a comment on the character of the person comment on the character of the person comment on the character of the person who brought it up i'm sorry dude like who brought it up i'm sorry dude like who brought it up i'm sorry dude like this is one of the reasons why this is one of the reasons why this is one of the reasons why zionists lose and lose and lose and zionists lose and lose and lose and zionists lose and lose and lose and lose this pr game is that it's just lose this pr game is that it's just lose this pr game is that it's just like after a while man people notice like after a while man people notice like after a while man people notice that that that people notice that it's like why is this people notice that it's like why is this people notice that it's like why is this one subject that you're not allowed one subject that you're not allowed to kick the tires on. It's like the only subject that I'm not allowed to kick the tires on and walk around the car and kind of take a look and go, hey, well, what's up with this? Well, what's up with that? It's like, you know, I'm sorry. If people are claiming they've committed a litany of war crimes and you go, let's examine that closely, the next sentence that followed would be like, the accusation is that IDF soldiers were using toddlers as target practice. Let's examine the evidence for that. Okay, there's two in-depth Tourette's pieces where there's six different IDF soldiers who testified to say, you know what I mean? Like, let's go through the evidence. Go through the claim. There have also been claims that were wrong. Go through some claims that were debunked. I mean, I, you know, anyway, here, let's keep playing. By a lot of representatives in our own Congress, mostly on the Democratic side, not all, Tucker Carlson, for example, Candace Solins, but also Zoran Mondami and others have said that Israel is a country that is a country that is a country that is a country that is a an apartheid state. In other words, it has racial enclaves, but there's nothing in the Israeli constitution that requires you to be Jewish. In fact, there's 2 million Arabs living freely, voting freely inside Israel. Like, okay, so again, if you may notice, this is a, and I don't know what to say, man. It's just like, this is what they all rely on. And I know some people do hold Victor Davis Hanson up with some esteem, but, and I will say, you know, one of the things in debating Alan Dershowitz, in fact, it was, it was Daryl Cooper said to me, I talked to him on the phone after I debated Alan Dershowitz. And he said, at one point he goes, I forget what he said, but he said, it was like, you were arguing like with a computer who hasn't updated its software since 1995. You know, and I said, I don't know what to say. And he said, I don't know what to say. And I said, I don't know what to say. And I mentioned that on the other show the other day that it's like, none of these arguments are new. And not even that none of them are new. I mean, none of them have even been updated in 30 years. It's the same exact script. And the truth is that like all this stuff has just been debunked. And they're like, almost just pretending that doesn't exist, that this hasn't been spread yet, that people don't know. But anyway, it's just obviously that none of this is working. But so so to Victor Davis Hanson here is going to say so if you notice right away, let's just get into some of the details here immediately was the first claim. Oh, there's been this claim that there's been a litany of war crimes committed by Israel. Let's examine that closely. People on the left say things and now people on the right kind of sound like the left. They claim it's an apartheid state. Let's get into that. Well, wait a minute. This is a totally different claim. Like you just he made the first claim didn't debunk it at all after saying it was an apartheid state. And now he's on to apartheid state. Look, feel however you feel about war crimes. Feel however you feel about apartheid. Those are different things. Those are different claims. They are not the same thing. There have been apartheid states like South Africa that didn't commit war crimes. There have been states that committed war crimes like, I don't know, Russia. That isn't an apartheid state. I don't know. The two things don't go hand in hand necessarily. So he's moved the goalpost to a completely different claim. Now he attempts to debunk the second claim and he don't debunks the second claim by claiming this is ridiculous because there's millions of Arab citizens in Israel and they can vote freely in the elections. It's like, yes, it at the Israel proper is about 80 percent Jewish, 20 percent Arab, and they have free elections. And guess guess who wins to be the governing party every single time? OK, yes, that is true. Um, but that's not what anybody's talking about when they call Israel an apartheid state. They're talking about the people who live in Gaza and the West Bank. who israel's had control of since 1967. the complaint is about those people and saying that they don't have voting rights even though they live under israeli rule whether or not israel claims officially that they're part of their government or not they live under the rule of that government and have for 60 years and they don't have fighting voting rights so pointing out that the 20 of arabs in israel do have voting rights just has nothing to do with the claim so he threw out one claim said let's examine that then just abandon it throughout a second claim pretended to disbunk it with information that has nothing to do with the actual claim that my friends is some sophistry that's that's why this doesn't work in debates it doesn't work when there's pushback against it anyway let's keep playing two member arab nations almost all of them require just bring it back a second there natalie so i can get the full thing thank you that requires you to be jewish in fact there's two million arabs living freely voting freely inside israel in contrast of the 22 member arab nations almost all of them require islam as the national religion and of the 30 muslim countries arab and non-arab alike about 23 of them make it a crime to be an apostate from islam does anybody ever say that these are apartheid states do you really believe that if you were a trans community you could start a movement in iran could you have a mormon chastity after on the west bank could you build a new cathedral of christian worship in istanbul today under erdogan you think there's a gay rights parade going on in gaza no no these are apartheid they eliminate and marginalize communities let's look at another charge that we hear settler all right let's pause it let's pause it right there okay then then just bring it back a couple seconds and we'll take on the uh when he says let's look at another charge so look i mean it's it's again i said this this argument it's like all of them it just it depends and and this is why i do these debates this is why i think the debates are interesting and why i do think there's value in them and i understand there's problems with debates and there's problems with debate culture and yes there are people who are too much just trying to win and get an own and not have a good faith exchange of ideas but man when they're good or when they actually demonstrate something i think they really are important and i think like with look with this issue with the the pro-israel guys they they just always have to use these framing tricks that are just obviously tricks like dude and i hate that term what about ism i hate when people use it but this is like if it ever applied to anything this is it right there what you say israel's an apartheid state well let me just talk about it's obviously the claim of apartheid state is a claim about the millions of palestinians that live in gaza and live in the west bank under israeli occupation okay so first i'm going to just pretend that the complaint is about arab citizens of israel and go what are you talking about they all have voting rights and then go look over here at all these other states they do bad things and you don't call that apartheid well all right i mean look when you say that if you notice he starts slipping a lot of things in there are you when you he starts saying well could i just go build um a um a transgender cathedral in the middle of iran or saudi arabia or could i you know start preaching against islam in the middle of syria or could you know like whatever other thing he has and it's like uh well for the record no you could not do that and please don't try to do that and that would be that would be a fantastic point if the claim that i had made or the debate topic resolution was iran is a very free open-minded place right like if i had claimed that tehran is a bastion of religious liberty or something like that then it would be a very good counter to say well in fact it's not and you couldn't open any you know you couldn't open a church in the middle of tehran like okay that's true but what the does that have to do with the claim of israel being an apartheid state i mean isn't it so obvious or you just look at it like this is just a distraction dude and the truth is that nobody i mean i don't know correct me if i'm wrong there's always some loon online but nobody is making the argument that tehran is a bastion of freedom or that the saudis practice you know um religious liberty or that whatever there aren't all these problems all along the place and this is what's interesting is what happens is israel has right as we know they have a special relationship with the united states of america they get more aid than any other country in the world and then the countries who are like in second and third place get the aid because of israel you know like egypt gets the aid to be friendly with it with israel um they get more foreign aid they get more support they get unconditional support from the us they call it the special relationship that even when they defend it they acknowledge that it's a different relationship than we have with anybody else even like the uk is not as close with israel who's not even an official ally it's all craziness um and then in defense of that if that's ever examined they go hey we're the only democracy in the middle east we're the most humanitarian country the most moral army in the world we do more to prevent some civilian deaths we are a first world democracy in a sea of you know autocratic uh uh theocracy or whatever and then if you respond to that and you go no you're not you're an apartheid state you're not a democracy then they go well what about iran you know but like this is all just ridiculous yes nobody's saying but again if we were to let's say we were to elevate saudi arabia to the special relationship status of israel and we went no no now we're 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says the the charge now we've moved on to another charge by the way he didn't defend the apartheid charge at all or the war crimes charge he just he just mentioned that they're charges and then just danced around the fact that they're both obviously true like i don't know israel control of like six or seven million people that have been denied voting rights for 60 years it's an apartheid state um and yes do they commit war crimes almost every war crime in the book yes um anyway so now we're on to the charge of settler colonialism and and i mean it's just does everybody see do is my job even necessary anymore everyone sees the dirty trick he just pulled right he goes oh there's settler colonials they're interlockers so the accusation is they're settler colonial uh colonial sorry settler colonialism that they would colonizers so that's the accusation but how could they be invaders how could modern israel be invaders when we know archaeologists could tell you jews have been here all along okay well the dirty trick there is that modern israel and jews are not interchangeable terms and of course this is ridiculous like all right first of all the founders of israel were european they weren't the jews who were there the entire time that's that would be sephardic jews not ashkenazi jews who came over from europe and to say that they've been there the whole time that there's always been a jewish presence in what is now israel well yeah that's true but what percentage of the population oh yeah like five percent yes there was a tiny population of jews that were there the entire time but nobody denies that in fact the pro-palestinian people bring that up all the time because their point is that before the state of israel everyone lived like relatively in peace like there were jews and and arabs and christians or jews and arabs living side by side christians and muslims you know um and so anyway yes it's true but like again if um i don't know like if there's if there's like let's say that there's five percent of an area you live in is is thai is from thailand okay um and then thailand invades and creates a state and takes over the whole country you wouldn't just be like well i've been there they didn't take it over thailand thai people have been here the entire time like well yeah a little percentage of them what does that have to do with that and the point is that a bunch of europeans came over and created a state evicted a whole bunch of people it never let them back in and they've ruled over those people this whole time what how are you actually taking on the argument i don't even really love the term settler colonialism i don't know how useful it is or or isn't but like yeah the point is that it wasn't europeans had come in uh many times and dominated local populations and we called this um colonialism we called this um empire empiricism right and so not empiricism excuse me empire um uh and so you know like that okay so that's there's you have something like let's say the french um uh colonization of algeria right so the french go and they take over algeria and they make it part of the french empire and the the french government rules it and they collect taxes and they run the government services and they bring in their way of life and all this shit right um but then you had a situation like israel where a bunch of europeans went and started a government there but this wasn't europeans who had a country back home this wasn't like france coming in and and conquering algeria or britain coming in and and you know ruling over whoever india or later syria or palestine or wherever this was a bunch of stateless europeans who had their own story of their own persecution story much of which is very true and whatever but like there were a bunch of stateless europeans who came in and did the same thing like formed the government that you know ethnically cleansed a bunch of people ruled over them but they didn't have a state back home right they were settling and colonizing the play that's the accusation and what are you doing to take that on to say no because there were some jews here the whole time that's not true how does that disprove anything i think what would that like if i were to just go take over an area where there's been some jews that then okay nothing happened okay let's keep playing people who spoke early hebrew who practiced the jewish faith and lived on the land that is now israel okay suppose it so actually where so so the actual argument is that because there were some people on who were on the land who practiced judaism and spoke hebrew therefore it's okay for european jews to come create a state there like what so like if italy just conquered manhattan they could be like there's been italian people here the entire time dude there were people speaking italian by the way hebrew is not the language that the zionists spoke they revived a dead language to start the project of of israel and they chose the place because of this line of jews that had been there the whole time um but they they spoke yiddish or russian or whatever um anyway so i mean this is just such a non-argument like because there were some jews because jews there and again single digit percentage of the population because there were eight percent of them were jews therefore european jews can come take over the whole thing it's not settler colonialism anymore this is bullshit this is dumber than the leftists who use the term objectively no matter how you feel let's keep playing where did the arabs come from they swept in from asia into the middle east and north africa and as settler colonialists conquered byzantine and earlier roman territories that had been western i just pause it again man this was just i mean again this is true and victor hans victor davis hansen is a very interesting like historian so he could probably give you some great lecture about this and have all bits of tad bits of information that i don't know um very smart guy but what does this have to do with the anything man like it's it's they just oscillate back and forth from non-argument to non-argument it's like you're conquering these people no we're not because there were always some of our people within some of those people okay but you're still conquering those people well other people have conquered people in the past yeah no kidding i know the you're right that is true did you know that the arabs are from arabia well what the heck are they doing way over here off of arabia yeah you're right that is true but we're still conquering these people we're still conquering these people we're still conquering these people we're still conquering these people we're still conquering these people but that doesn't just mean that we think it's okay to do that now i mean jesus christ yes muslims once conquered and invaded people so did europeans so did asians so did the native americans so did everybody right right it's still bad to do that now okay i still don't want my tax dollars going back and forth i'm not going to do that i'm not going to doing more of the pillaging thank you very much all right guys let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show which is of course body brain coffee the brainchild of luis j gomez the great luis j gomez well if you may know testosterone levels have been declining for decades as a people we're more stressed we sleep like we sit around all day and none of that is helping and that's part of the reason why i started drinking body brain coffee body brain is real premium freeze-dried colombian coffee packed with functional ingredients that have been linked to testosterone support stress management focus and brain function you've got tongue cat ali ashwagandha two ingredients that have been studied for their potential to support healthy testosterone levels stress and performance l-theanine which works alongside the caffeine for smooth focused energy i can tell you this i've been 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the byzantines and they slapped minarets and appropriated culturally appropriated a christian church and turned it into a mosque they were settlers colonialists mandami's family are settler colonials they were part of a british imperial project at the turn of the 19th to 20th century who put settlers from other areas of the british empire into africa to help advance their colonial control of the indigenous people and even today mondami one percent indian community controls 65 of the gdp of uganda settler colonialist i could go on but this is a ridiculous charge um just pause it right there i don't by the way i don't know i will i guess i'll defer to victor davis hansen he probably knows this better than me but i thought that that i was under the impression that that's not what the term settler colonialist meant and that like the the reason why the british sorry i haven't watched this whole video through but i thought like the idea was that the british project in in india and africa wouldn't be settler colonialism it would just be colonialism because they have a mother country that's what i thought settler colonialism was i thought it was the idea but anyway uh i could be wrong about that but i thought that's what the term meant was the idea that you don't have a mother country that you're going to settle there and colonize at the same time so britain sending people to a colony wouldn't be settler colonialism it would just be regular old colonialism i thought but i could be wrong about that and i'll defer to victor davis hansen on all the rest of the history there that has nothing to do with any of the charges against israel you know and and even like if you were again to even if you could point to like a more egregious example throughout history that wouldn't prove that war crimes didn't take place like if somebody were to go like oh you think milosevic committed war crimes in the serbian civil war she's just seeing what adolf hitler did it's like okay yeah but milosevic also still committed war crimes that what does that mean all right let's keep going settler colonialist i could go on but this is a ridiculous charge to lodge against israel when of all of these settler colonialists i could go on but this is a ridiculous charge to lodge against israel when of all of these settler colonialists i could go on but this is a ridiculous charge to lodge against israel when of all of these settler colonial powers it has the longest settler colonial powers it has the longest settler colonial powers it has the longest pedigree in one place now we hear about pedigree in one place now we hear about pedigree in one place now we hear about ethnically wait wait wait hold on pause it ethnically wait wait wait hold on pause it ethnically wait wait wait hold on pause it pause it right there so he just said pause it right there so he just said pause it right there so he just said did you catch that line he goes now this did you catch that line he goes now this did you catch that line he goes now this is such a ridiculous charge against is such a ridiculous charge against is such a ridiculous charge against israel because of all these settler israel because of all these settler israel because of all these settler colonialist powers they have the longest colonialist powers they have the longest colonialist powers they have the longest settler colonialist powers they have the settler colonialist powers they have the settler colonialist powers they have the okay well that would put them in that okay well that would put them in that okay well that would put them in that category category category again this is so goofy dude the longest again this is so goofy dude the longest again this is so goofy dude the longest lineage but who cares like if you have a lineage but who cares like if you have a lineage but who cares like if you have a long lineage as a minority in a country long lineage as a minority in a country long lineage as a minority in a country that doesn't give other people from a that doesn't give other people from a that doesn't give other people from a different continent who maybe share some different continent who maybe share some different continent who maybe share some lineage maybe by the way share some lineage maybe by the way share some lineage maybe by the way share some lineage with you the right to come in and lineage with you the right to come in and lineage with you the right to come in and conquer the place the does that conquer the place the does that conquer the place the does that have to do with anything have to do with anything have to do with anything let's keep playing let's keep playing let's keep playing ethnic cleansing we're told that the ethnic cleansing we're told that the ethnic cleansing we're told that the israelis ethnically cleansed israelis ethnically cleansed israelis ethnically cleansed uh the gazans and often uh people and uh the gazans and often uh people and uh the gazans and often uh people and the west bank i don't know quite what the west bank i don't know quite what the west bank i don't know quite what that means but before i try to translate that means but before i try to translate that means but before i try to translate it we do know there's a lot of ethnic it we do know there's a lot of ethnic it we do know there's a lot of ethnic cleansers mr erdogan the president of cleansers mr erdogan the president of cleansers mr erdogan the president of turkey oh my god okay just pause it for turkey oh my god okay just pause it for turkey oh my god okay just pause it for a second jesus christ is he actually a second jesus christ is he actually a second jesus christ is he actually gonna make me use the term what about gonna make me use the term what about gonna make me use the term what about ism i don't think i've ever had to do ism i don't think i've ever had to do ism i don't think i've ever had to do that in one of these before that in one of these before that in one of these before but what is this there's a people who but what is this there's a people who but what is this there's a people who say that israel ethnically cleanse the say that israel ethnically cleanse the say that israel ethnically cleanse the people in gaza like i don't know what people in gaza like i don't know what people in gaza like i don't know what that means but let me tell you about that means but let me tell you about that means but let me tell you about erdogan erdogan erdogan let me tell you about some things other let me tell you about some things other let me tell you about some things other people have done what does it mean people have done what does it mean people have done what does it mean it means that they used to live where it means that they used to live where it means that they used to live where israel is now israel is now israel is now and then men with guns made a move and then men with guns made a move and then men with guns made a move against their will against their will against their will and then told them they can't come back they said remember that house you used they said remember that house you used they said remember that house you used to live in to live in to live in you don't live there anymore you live in you don't live there anymore you live in you don't live there anymore you live in that refugee camp over there that refugee camp over there that refugee camp over there okay you follow me you follow me so far okay you follow me you follow me so far okay you follow me you follow me so far there's a people they live over here in there's a people they live over here in there's a people they live over here in a house a house a house man from an israeli militia comes over man from an israeli militia comes over man from an israeli militia comes over points a gun at those people says you points a gun at those people says you points a gun at those people says you walk this way they don't have a choice walk this way they don't have a choice walk this way they don't have a choice they walk that way he says you live in a they walk that way he says you live in a they walk that way he says you live in a refugee camp now now they live in a refugee camp now now they live in a refugee camp now now they live in a refugee camp this refugee camp is in gaza refugee camp this refugee camp is in gaza the people in gaza today the people in gaza today the people in gaza today well if they're a real old man they're well if they're a real old man they're well if they're a real old man they're that guy that guy that guy if they're younger than that they're his if they're younger than that they're his if they're younger than that they're his kids they're his grandkids that's what people mean by ethnically that's what people mean by ethnically that's what people mean by ethnically cleansed now go on to tell me the crimes cleansed now go on to tell me the crimes cleansed now go on to tell me the crimes of other governments of other governments of other governments how is this taking on the charge that how is this taking on the charge that how is this taking on the charge that israel didn't ethnically cleanse these israel didn't ethnically cleanse these israel didn't ethnically cleanse these people here keep playing people here keep playing people here keep playing and into israel his government and into israel his government and into israel his government not his own but the turkish government not his own but the turkish government not his own but the turkish government of which he is a continual of which he is a continual of which he is a continual successor to ethnically cleansed all of successor to ethnically cleansed all of successor to ethnically cleansed all of the greeks from northern cyprus and the greeks from northern cyprus and the greeks from northern cyprus and occupied it and then sent settler occupied it and then sent settler occupied it and then sent settler colonial is from turkey i haven't heard colonial is from turkey i haven't heard colonial is from turkey i haven't heard anybody complain about that anybody complain about that anybody complain about that is there a protest i missed at columbia is there a protest i missed at columbia is there a protest i missed at columbia did ilya omar forget that or she just did ilya omar forget that or she just did ilya omar forget that or she just gives a pass to a fellow muslim country gives a pass to a fellow muslim country gives a pass to a fellow muslim country while october 7th was transpiring while october 7th was transpiring while october 7th was transpiring far away in muslim azerbaijan far away in muslim azerbaijan far away in muslim azerbaijan they were ethnically cleansing a hundred they were ethnically cleansing a hundred they were ethnically cleansing a hundred and fifty thousand and fifty thousand and fifty thousand armenians from their ancestral home of armenians from their ancestral home of armenians from their ancestral home of nearly a thousand years in the nagorno nearly a thousand years in the nagorno nearly a thousand years in the nagorno karabakh corridor i didn't hear a word karabakh corridor i didn't hear a word karabakh corridor i didn't hear a word from ilion omar i didn't hear a word from ilion omar i didn't hear a word from ilion omar i didn't hear a word from aoc i didn't hear a word for soran from aoc i didn't hear a word for soran from aoc i didn't hear a word for soran mandami mandami mandami and then we come to and then we come to and then we come to medical doctors and supplies to go into medical doctors and supplies to go into medical doctors and supplies to go into the target pause it pause it right there the target pause it pause it right there the target pause it pause it right there um um um i mean jesus christ i mean jesus christ i mean jesus christ so he went through the ethnic cleansing so he went through the ethnic cleansing so he went through the ethnic cleansing he debunked it by pointing out that he debunked it by pointing out that he debunked it by pointing out that there's other states doing bad things there's other states doing bad things there's other states doing bad things that people and you don't hear about that people and you don't hear about that people and you don't hear about that i mean that is just not a defense that i mean that is just not a defense that i mean that is just not a defense against a state committing ethnic against a state committing ethnic against a state committing ethnic cleansing cleansing cleansing um um um again like yeah i know it's just so tired again like yeah i know it's just so tired again like yeah i know it's just so tired it goes it's like dude there are other it goes it's like dude there are other it goes it's like dude there are other crises in the world that probably crises in the world that probably crises in the world that probably deserve more attention than they get but deserve more attention than they get but deserve more attention than they get but it absolutely makes sense that the it absolutely makes sense that the it absolutely makes sense that the country that is only committing their country that is only committing their country that is only committing their crimes because they're backed up by the crimes because they're backed up by the crimes because they're backed up by the global empire global empire global empire that has a special relationship with that has a special relationship with that has a special relationship with that global empire as we discussed that global empire as we discussed that global empire as we discussed before it totally makes sense that before it totally makes sense that before it totally makes sense that citizens of the country that is the citizens of the country that is the citizens of the country that is the global empire would have a special focus global empire would have a special focus global empire would have a special focus on the country with a special on the country with a special on the country with a special relationship relationship relationship it just makes total sense so it just makes total sense so it just makes total sense so essentially all of this is just a essentially all of this is just a essentially all of this is just a distraction it does nothing to get to distraction it does nothing to get to the point the point the point now um coming on to this genocide claim now um coming on to this genocide claim now um coming on to this genocide claim okay so if it's genocide we know it okay so if it's genocide we know it okay so if it's genocide we know it we know the countries that commit we know the countries that commit we know the countries that commit genocide in the countries that don't genocide in the countries that don't genocide in the countries that don't okay well a lot of people are saying okay well a lot of people are saying okay well a lot of people are saying they know that israel is committing a they know that israel is committing a they know that israel is committing a genocide right now genocide right now genocide right now and what is his claim really going to be and what is his claim really going to be and what is his claim really going to be here that israel um here that israel um here that israel um what because they sent in food what because they sent in food what because they sent in food that's this oh we know the states that that's this oh we know the states that that's this oh we know the states that commit genocide and they don't send in commit genocide and they don't send in commit genocide and they don't send in food like dude i mean food like dude i mean food like dude i mean hitler started creating concentration hitler started creating concentration hitler started creating concentration camps camps camps in what was it in what was it in what was it 1940 maybe 39 even maybe 39 even maybe 39 even you know you know in fact i think i shouldn't say that it in fact i think i shouldn't say that it in fact i think i shouldn't say that it was even earlier than that there were was even earlier than that there were was even earlier than that there were the first concentration camps i think the first concentration camps i think the first concentration camps i think there were like a few of them were built there were like a few of them were built there were like a few of them were built in the earlier in the mid 30s but like in the earlier in the mid 30s but like in the earlier in the mid 30s but like certainly like a bunch of concentration certainly like a bunch of concentration certainly like a bunch of concentration camps had been built by 39 1940 camps had been built by 39 1940 camps had been built by 39 1940 um um um you know you know you know jews there were still jews left there jews there were still jews left there jews there were still jews left there not that many but there were still jews not that many but there were still jews not that many but there were still jews left at the end of the war left at the end of the war left at the end of the war anyway my point being they were feeding anyway my point being they were feeding anyway my point being they were feeding them them them i mean i don't think they were feeding i mean i don't think they were feeding i mean i don't think they were feeding them great through much of the war them great through much of the war them great through much of the war i think in fact there were many who i think in fact there were many who i think in fact there were many who starved to death i'm not arguing any of that but like that but like that but like the so now the the so now the the so now the you know the measure for whether you're you know the measure for whether you're you know the measure for whether you're ethnically cleansing is has anybody else ethnically cleansing is has anybody else ethnically cleansing is has anybody else ethnically cleansed worse and now the ethnically cleansed worse and now the ethnically cleansed worse and now the measure for genocide is like well did you measure for genocide is like well did you measure for genocide is like well did you feed them okay if some food got in if feed them okay if some food got in if feed them okay if some food got in if some aid got in oh some vaccines you some aid got in oh some vaccines you some aid got in oh some vaccines you gave rounds of vaccines out then like a gave rounds of vaccines out then like a gave rounds of vaccines out then like a i don't know i don't know i don't know you know so many of these things are just you know so many of these things are just you know so many of these things are just like yeah but none of this is really like yeah but none of this is really like yeah but none of this is really how you'd measure why don't you just how you'd measure why don't you just how you'd measure why don't you just measure the way they have conducted this measure the way they have conducted this measure the way they have conducted this war against the civilian population war against the civilian population war against the civilian population and then judge that for what it is why is and then judge that for what it is why is and then judge that for what it is why is the measure here how much more the measure here how much more the measure here how much more sadistic and cruel they could have been sadistic and cruel they could have been sadistic and cruel they could have been or something like that and it also you or something like that and it also you or something like that and it also you got to understand why we've been going got to understand why we've been going got to understand why we've been going through this for years but the reason through this for years but the reason through this for years but the reason why this argument never lands why this argument never lands why this argument never lands is because we're also aware of the is because we're also aware of the is because we're also aware of the context that israel can't just openly context that israel can't just openly committed genocide, right? Like we do recognize that. We recognize that Benjamin Netanyahu can't just get on TV and go, well, yeah, we're committing a genocide in Gaza. That's what we're doing. Yeah, they're Amalek. We're destroying their children. We're going to kill them, right? Like if he did that, the world would put a stop to it. So in other words, yeah, they have to kind of at least do something. They can't just line up all the people and shoot them. So it just doesn't really mean anything to go, well, they could have denied more aid. Oh, so when they denied, so after the area had been fucking war torn for two years and then they cut off all aid for three months to the poor civilian population, my takeaway from that was supposed to be, but they had aid, you know, they had allowed it in before and after. Oh, okay. Wow. Do you know, like even, um, by the way, do you know, like even the numbers that the Israeli exaggeration, their biggest, most ballooned number was that Hamas had 50,000 fighters at like their height, which I don't believe they ever had that many, but whatever they claim Hamas had like 50,000 fighters. They've destroyed like 350,000 homes. What is that? You're destroying a people destroy like Gaza. It's one of the oldest, like continuously populated areas in the world. They just fucking destroyed it, wiped it off the fucking map. What are we arguing over? What we call that? Yeah. But some people got sandwiches in the middle of it. Okay. Yeah. Let's keep playing. We'll wrap up soon. But more importantly, when Israel was formed by 1950, there was 170,000 Arabs still in Israel. They comprised 12% of the population. Fast forward to 2026. Guess what? Genocidal Israel saw the population of arabs who are now israeli citizens oh my god increased to 2 million and the percentage of non-jews in israel who were arab muslims okay let's just pause it here dude but i mean by the way i don't even we can pause we could wrap up here but i don't even know um where his numbers are because those are not the numbers i've seen i thought it was but from what i've read about it like and i don't know what exactly he's picking a starting point like he picked 1950 for whatever reason rather than 48 which is the year the country was formed so there might be something about that but from what i've read it's been about 80 20 from the beginning of of the state of israel the population do you see what he does there even if that's true even if it wasn't 80 20 the whole time and it was in fact 88 12 at one point and then went from 88 12 to 80 20 and that's his big thing look the arab population inside israel has increased up to 20 percent and therefore they're not committing a genocide well what's the obvious in that the accusation isn't that israel's committing a genocide against the arab population of israel it's never been the accusation the accusation has been that they've committing genocide against the people of gaza since october 7th 19 20 oh 2023 sorry showed my age there yeah dude i mean look again the reason why this is why i'd love to debate victor davis hansen on this because the reason why it's it's important to debate these guys on this is just to demonstrate how much like they really have nothing and this whole thing this whole goddamn thing is just kind of like it's all designed to just kind of sound good if you don't like pick it apart if you don't just think about it and then you go oh yeah no this is all nonsense nothing all right that's our episode for today we'll be back tomorrow with a brand new one thanks to everybody for uh tuning in as always catch you tomorrow peace you I'll see you next time.