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Nothing goes better with an Indiana win or a Georgia win or whoever you root for won today. Twisted Tea, thanks for watching the podcast. Thank you very much. T-Bob's got one. Casey's got, had some. Uh, Big Ev has seen better days, but he'll be fine. He'll be fine. Yeah, he's good. He's good. He's good. All right. Indiana 13, Ohio State 10. It is not our only result of the day, but it is the most shocking and it is the most important and it is the, uh, the best game. Big Ev, I will start with you because it's only fair. Indiana 13, Ohio State 10, what are your thoughts? Uh, we got out, we got outcoached. I mean, we got beat. We just got beat. We got served a big fat slice of humble pie. Um, that was, if we were going to lose, that was the way I envisioned it. Like I knew the defense would get tortured because we just didn't score. Uh, I underrated Indiana's defense immensely. Like I saw the physicality in the Oregon game. They were definitely better than last year, but, um, not their defense has beat us today. Um, yeah, I mean, I mean, I, it's crazy because they obviously, they go down, they get the touchdown and take the lead. Great throw, great catch. Um, we drive down inside the 20 twice, get no points. I hated the both third and one calls. Didn't really understand it. Hated the QB sneak with Sam. Like I, I just, he didn't really run it much all year. And then they kick it the second time, which I, I had the thought in my head before, after the third down play, I was like, we're not going to kick this. Like he hasn't kicked this all year. Like we go for it every time he does it. We miss. I think the gambling got the football gods responded accordingly to such a pussy field goal attempt. That was, um, we got what we deserved period. That was day pissed on his leg. He, he was, he was pussy day today. That's what happens. A flat out, a flat out coaching disaster from Ryan day in the second half of that football game. Um, just again, uh, a lot of credit, a lot of, uh, attention will go in the fourth down call sneaking from on fourth and a yard and a half kicking the field goal. When you're at fourth and one, uh, the third down calls were absolutely goddamn atrocious. Bo Jackson was running the football at will, especially on the second drive. The second drive was, it was such a grown man drive. It was 14 plays. It was 80, 90 yards. And it was everything about what sets Ohio state apart and makes them tough. And then Ryan day just pissed it away and just said, fuck it. They're going to do it. They're They tried this cute ass pass on third down saying he had the running back, by the way, if he throws it anyway, uh, T Bob, everybody all year with good reason said Ohio state, there's a gap between them and everybody else. Well, not only does that gap not exist, Indiana has now beaten them. And Indiana is the number one team in the country going to this cost for all playoff. Yeah. Uh, look, I, I, I feel, uh, pretty vindicated in my read on this game. A lot of people trying to act like Indiana was still the cute story where that they were last year. And they were really better than people gave them credit for last year. And somehow they were again better than people gave them credit for coming into this game. We said it like statistically what they did over the course of a big 10 season was not just a function of schedule and it was not fluky. And it was a very close game. Did you barely evenly matched teams? It's not like Indiana just thought out better than Ohio state, but the entire point was to the right there with them. And then if you play these games, things go. Game flow matters. And, and, and what was one of the, uh, the areas that we highlighted specifically on the episode the other day. Oh, it was a bit surprised to learn that Indiana's red zone touchdown percentage in terms of touchdowns allowed defensively was even better than that of Ohio state best league. Well, Ohio state makes to the red zone four times. They come away with one touchdown. They have to turn around downs, miss field goal, absolutely choke job there and make a field goal. Um, this Indiana team's just legitimate. Like they got fucking guys all over the field defense. Offensively, I mean, they lose Omar Cooper jr. At the very beginning of this game, they don't miss a beat and, and the toughness from saying toughness from Mendoza. He, you want to talk about a guy who isn't flipping afraid Fernando Mendoza attacking all night long, willing to throw the deep ball against that excellent secondary, uh, the third and eight fade touchdown to Surratt, the third and five deep ball to Charlie B from Nashville, Tennessee. To keep the final drive going. That was a fun football game. Well played by two elite teams. Look forward to watching both of these teams in the playoffs. Then Liam, you talked about, um, the Andrew Luck interview, you know, uh, uh, giving you, uh, emotion and love the Mendoza postgame interview is what I love about sports. So fucking much, man. He was so sincere and so happy in this cynical age in which we live. Shout out to all the Indiana Hoosiers fan. There is no better audio in sports history. Brandon that is aged better than the original Kurt Cignetti soundbites. Unbelievable. Casey. Uh, I believe you were, I don't remember T-Bob being on it as much as he just claimed to be, but I believe you were also on Indiana possibly winning this game, right? Yeah, no. I mean, I, I said, I, I agree with you, Brandon. I thought I was the only one that said it was going to be close, but I will say I'll push back a little bit. Now, first and foremost, Ev, I feel the same way as Brandon, but it doesn't matter. Ev, you will be fine. You'll be in the playoff. You're going to be fine. Like this is not an anti Ohio state thing, but I did, I had to text Lukey and I felt bad. I didn't know he was sick. And I said, I know you're Ohio state fan. And I'm so sorry that I have to do this to you, but can you please tell me when my rant about Indiana, not having a gap between them and Ohio state was that Mark Cuban, like, because I need it like right now, because on November 4th, I sat here and I was crazy and I was dropping every FOM I possibly could. But I sat there and I was like, why are we saying that the gap is so big between Ohio state and Indiana when Indiana is dominating when they have now they played Penn state really close, obviously. And I said, maybe it is a little bit bigger, but I sat here. So you said, everybody said that I sat here and I was like, why are we all of a sudden saying that this Indiana team is so far beneath Ohio state? We saw that tonight. Now they play again, Ohio state beats him. It wouldn't surprise me. This is not like an Ohio state versus Indiana. Who's the better team. But tonight proved what I tried to say all season, which is, I don't understand where that narrative came from. Watching the way Indiana has played all year. I I'll just say where I think it came from. I think it came from my belief that Ohio state was a much better football team. Uh, and when Indiana, Indiana didn't look great at Iowa, Indiana didn't look great at Penn state. And I thought to myself, when they get against Ohio state, boy, if they can't handle the physicality of Penn state, Iowa, look the fuck out. And Indiana walked out there tonight and said, fuck you, Brandon Walker, which they've done a lot of in the last couple of years, by the way, they've, they've done a lot of, uh, fuck you, Brandon walkers. But I, yeah, I, I certainly call me a Mr. Gap because I thought there was a huge gap between these two teams. I thought Julian saying would play better, uh, in a tight game. I thought Ohio state's offensive line could protect Julian saying better. I thought Ryan day would his brain wouldn't absolutely malfunction. Liam, you're the only guy who hasn't talked yet. So, uh, please you, you were with me as far as how unbeatable you thought Ohio state was coming to this game. And then they got beat. Yeah. I, I I'm a big time doofus idiot is what it is. Uh, obviously I, I think that there's a lot of takeaways from this game. I think once again, the most impressive thing Indiana does week to week when they're playing college football games on Saturday is the pressure that they're bringing defensively and how they're doing it with creativity off the edge and getting to the quarterback. They really made things difficult for say, and, and their game. And like two, like their coverage is so dang good downfield that saying does have time and still can't get anything going. But the, the, The pressure that they bring off the edge is just very difficult to deal with. They, for lack of a better word, I can't really think all too well right now, they assaulted Ohio State's offensive line. They got after it in the run game, rushed defense again. They did a very good job. Lamar Bojack, Bo Lamar Jack still plays a solid game. But Indiana's defense stands tall. You guys already talked about Ohio State's play calling on short yardage was absolutely apparent. The way to put it is Ryan Day reverted to the Ryan Day of old. Ryan Day two years ago where he's trying to galaxy brain everything to completely outsmart and catch the defense off guard. I don't know why he reverted to the turtle in the shell today. I don't understand it. Big time props to Kurt Cignetti, another excellent coach game by him. Ev, I have a question for you. Because after you guys beat Michigan and handled them and it was like, okay, got that monkey off the back, Ryan Day learned his lesson last year. There were moments tonight, and like we said, he got outcoached. He just flat out got outcoached by Kurt Cignetti. And there were just moments where I'm watching the game and it's like, so this isn't necessarily like a rivalry game problem that he has. This just like lives somewhere in his brain. And I don't know how from an Ohio State fan, like when you're watching it, that has to be frustrating because you have all the talent in the world. You know how good this offense is. You know how good this defense is. And he just can't get out of his own way. Regardless, every single season, there's one game where he does this. Yeah, I mean, as far as the play calling, I mean, Brian Hartline calls the plays now. So that's where it's like, even like the bad play calls, like that's like Hartline's calling the plays. Like Day did not call those plays. I mean, the field goal is obviously 100% his decision. And I think that was maybe the most apparent, like just terrible one of all. The third and one calls were both bad. I don't know. I just don't, I don't understand. Like the defense played well, I thought overall. Like, I mean, Mendoza, I mean, they made some unbelievable plays. I mean, that big throw at the end of the game, even two, just to kind of like put it away, basically leave us with really like no real shot to go tie the game. But yeah, I mean, the field goal was really the worst thing by him. They took out Thick Bull in the second half and the offensive line played a lot better. They were moving the ball in the run game too, way more than they were in the first half. But yeah, I mean, no, he just got out coached. There's no like, I mean, I think he got out coached, but like, are we making too much of it? Like, I don't know. I feel like everybody's trying to have it both ways. Like we're trying to say, okay, no, Indiana's way better than we thought. And, and, and they're, they're, they're as good as Ohio state, but Ryan day sucks. And he fucking blew this game. I mean, it's kicker, Mr. 27 yard field goal. Like, I'm not saying he is above criticism, but it's not the starting point. The starting point is that Indiana has the talent to run with this team. Last year, they did not. It was so clear. We talked about it the other day. They spent the entire off season, upgrading the offensive line. First and foremost, they held up against any elite Ohio state pass rush for the most part. And we talked about it the other day, the defense had 103 tiffles coming into this game. Second place in the big 10 was like 83. This has been a team that all year long has performed at this level. I don't blame Ryan day for this. He ran into a bad-ass team and a bad-ass coach. That's why I wanted to point out that. That's why I wanted to point out. He wasn't the one calling the plays. Like, I don't think it's like all on him. I just hate that he kicked the field goal, obviously. But first of all, the reason I asked the question was because we're looking at a team or again, I said, Indiana was right there with them all year. So I've definitely never said that they aren't as good. My question was, is because when you look at why Ohio state lost this game, there were things they did in this game. They've not done all year making the decisions that he made. You didn't see him make that all year. You didn't see them run up against a defense like they did. So the question is, is, is Kurt Cignetti out coaching Ryan day, a real, a real reason they lost this game or is it just a part of the storyline? That's why I was asking. I'm not trying to have it both ways. Liam mentioned it, the coverage, even in the secondary, all of these things play into it. But when you look at the narrative of this game, Ryan day did not coach the way that he's coached all season. He did not. Because they ran into a team that was on their level. Right. But that's the thing. They won a national title last year. So it's easy to like, you don't, we thought he got the monkey off of his back and he wouldn't be scared of the coaches on the other sideline. This was a very even game. Gameplay between two very good teams, probably maybe the two best teams in the country. It was a very even game. But the reason I lean on talking about Ryan day so much T Bob is Ohio state drove the ball down twice in the second half in a very tight game. And it comes down to the itches. It comes down to the choices. It comes down to everything. And tonight he made the wrong choice every single time. So these are two even teams. And at the end of the day, one of them's holding a trophy and one of them's not. And the reason the one is holding the, the trophy is because the other coach melted down in this situation. Now I, I, the kicker misses the kick, right? And it was a terrible decision to kick that and everything. But even, even if Ryan day, even if Ohio state makes that kick, Ryan day has just given Indiana a tie game with two minutes and 51 seconds left. They were going to go down and kick a field goal. Like, like in the end, I felt the second that kicker came on the field, Ryan day said, we're going to lose this football game. And I'm the one that's going to do it. That's what I felt. I felt, a thousand percent agree. And also Indiana missed a field goal or in earlier in the game too. So they should have even been up more, but Ryan day making the decisions that he did consistently throughout this game was not consistent with what he did last year. Other than Michigan. Hold on. Hold on. We've got chaos in Charlotte. Oh, wow. I wasn't even watching it. It is. No, that's, that's a touchdown. I mean, there's not even a reason to review it. Well, I mean, he's out of bounds. So there's a reason for you, but, I think he's out for the who's he's out of bounds. But if they just rule, if they, if they rule, he was pushed out. Did the ref throw his hat? He was tied. It's tied. Kick the extra point. So it doesn't matter. The ref threw his hat. He's good to go. Right. In that, the hat's there and you get pushed out. Uh, throwing the hat is he went out, right? I thought throwing the hat means he got pushed out legally. He threw the hat instead of the flag. Uh, well, it's not a flag until he touches the ball though. Uh, okay. I, I, for whatever reason, I thought if you get pushed out, you throw the hat and maybe you just throw the hat every time. I think the hat, the hat is like, Oh, he's out. We need to talk about that in a second. That's why that makes sense. Uh, all right. So we'll have to agree to disagree on this Ryan day front. Shut up though. I mean, do you think he coached? He did a good job tonight relative to, to who he is and what Ohio state is. I just think it's too much acting. Nobody's nobody's poop. Poo in Indiana. You're trying to wipe. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I don't think anybody's poo poo in Indiana. I just think it's acting like this is too much of a one-sided affair. And that if Ryan did like that, it was all in Ryan days to decide the outcome. It was in his hands and only his agency mattered, but he fucked it up. I get what you're saying about losing like a high leverage moments in the margins, but Ohio state won those early on. Indiana got to pick it, turn into a field goal. How state got to pick it, turn it to a touchdown. Indiana missed field goal. How's it made their first? Go ahead. Go ahead. I'll just talk later. Go ahead. Two teams showed up tonight. Two defenses showed up tonight. Two defenses were amazing. It comes down to very, very, very, very minute and small moments. And Ryan day made sure he failed every time it was on him. And that's for a national championship caliber coach. And I think just winning coach. I think you should expect more than that. That's all. That's that's why it's like the nitpicking of how close this game was. Like you couldn't look at one, one phase of the game and say, Indiana or Ohio state was just leaps and bounds better. But when you do start to look at, at everything that happened, the coaching decisions made on the Indiana sideline versus the Ohio state sideline were different. And that's why we're allowed to pick that apart because he did win a national title last year. And when he did try to coach against, like, it was like he was coaching out of his own brain tonight. Again, we've seen him do that against Michigan in the past. I didn't expect to see that tonight after we thought he got the monkey off his back. Well, let's hand out some flowers. Fernando Mendoza, baby. Absolutely not. Let's hand out the flowers to the coach. Kurt Cignetti was hired from JMU two seasons ago, two off seasons ago. There was no reason to believe at the time. It was the greatest hire in the history of college football. There was no reason to believe he was going to go to the worst place, the worst program in college ball history. And within less than two seasons, have them at number one in the country, going to the playoff after beating the defending national champ. There's no, there was no reason to believe it. That's what he has done. And last year, he takes them to the playoff this year, not only taking them to the playoff, but taking them in with a big set of nuts, swinging off the truck saying, by the way, we're here to fucking win at this time. That's what Kurt Cignetti has done. Big F. I know you just lost to him, but it's almost like you just got, you lose to Michigan. You're like, fuck them. You lose to a person. Eddie, you almost got to tip your hat. Like, God damn, they've come a long way. No, I mean, that's why I'm, I'm not made like they beat us. They beat us. And especially, I'm sure a lot. I mean, a lot of the same guys from last year, I'm sure they've been stewing on that one for a year plus now, but we've just been kind of riding along, happy, just getting wins and winning pretty easily and get them, get the Michigan monkey off our back. I mean, no, what he's it's, I mean, it's the greatest, like two year, like turn around. I mean, just whatever you want to call it, like in the history of college football. I mean, they were the losing his team in college. they're going to go into the playoff as the number one seed. They won the big 10. I mean, they incredible. I mean, it's, it's incredibly what he's done is on. It's like on, there's nothing really to compare it to. Like it's, it's that incredible what he's done. There's nothing to compare it to. Um, we do have the ACC championship game, which is either for Virginia to get in the playoffs or Duke to force a conversation with JMU. We will be live tomorrow morning at 11 central when this playoff gets announced. So we're, I don't think we're going to take much time tonight and have the discussions about Alabama getting in BYU, getting in stuff like that. But we do need to talk about the other games, which today that meant Alabama and Georgia after Casey tells you about this. Hi, Roughnecks. We'll be right back after this word from our sponsor. Hey, Alabama, Stella blue coffees, new canned lattes. They're here and in a store near you crafted with a hundred percent Colombian coffee. Each can is a good source of protein and comes in two smooth flavors, espresso, cafe, mocha, and espresso, sweet cream. Whether you're braving your morning commute or chasing your pup, Stella blue cans are for those always on the go. And for those who care, Stella blue is more than just great coffee. It's about giving back. I named the brand after my rescue dog, Stella, who inspired our mission to help more dogs find their forever homes. Every purchase supports animal rescue organizations. So when you drink Stella blue, you're not just fueling your day. You're saving a dog's life. Try the new cans today. Head to our store locator on Stella blue coffee.com and sign up to redeem a buy one, get one free offer. And now back to the episode. Are you sick? No, Lukey's sick. It's the first time all weekend I've been in the same room as him. It's a war zone. Okay. All right. Fair enough. Fair enough. What is he sick with? Does he have the same thing that Brandon? No, people in our office decide to come in with bronchitis and get other people sick. So, um, we got several things to talk about. Uh, Hey, with Ohio state losing an A and M hovering around that six line, you know, you, you two might be headed towards a showdown. I don't know. I know I've thought about it, but that's a future us problem. It's a future us problem. Okay. But the, the, I mean, Oh, Ohio state will definitely get that. Get the, uh, you know, get, get a buy, no doubt. But I didn't think there was going to be much movement at all in the, you know, the top. What? Six, seven. There may be, but I think it's pretty clear. We're going to have number one, Indiana, number two, Georgia, number three, Ohio state or three Texas tech and four Ohio state or Texas tech. Like that's the, that's, those are the two spots that I guess they could juggle a little bit. Um, I don't know if they massage it due to matchups or whatever, but anyway, let's talk about Georgia who. Indiana's got the head. Indiana's got the headlines tonight. Indiana's, uh, just had the biggest win in the history of their school. Georgia got a big monkey off their back and they are walking into this playoff as they're playing as well as they played in a couple of years. Now they have been quietly just killers down the stretch T Bob and, uh, much can be said about Alabama and Kalen DeBoer and, and, and are they in, or are they out? Well, Georgia, Georgia made a big statement today. Yeah. It's, uh, every now and then. I feel like you watch a game and you kind of kick yourself because it appears so obvious with the benefit of hindsight. And in this one, uh, I, I just feel like Kirby smart was due like this idea that we had all accepted that he had an Alabama problem and not a Nick Saban problem. Uh, it was, it was an idea that I believe was too cute for its own good. Like DeBoer got him twice. Don't get me wrong, including in Georgia, which was crazy, but DeBoer is a damn good coach as well. And then Alabama is a good team. Uh, but the idea that he was just going to get it like three times in a row in that building, that's an incredibly heavy lift for DeBoer. And you saw today. And then plus Brandon, again, bit of it of hindsight, you go and you look at Alabama, how they finished season, maybe even Ty Simpson specifically. It hasn't looked good lately. Right. Uh, after the big Tennessee win in which you had the major turnover that kind of decided that game, you struggled at South Carolina, struggling tells you you lost Oklahoma, whatever, Eastern Illinois struggled against Auburn. Like. Ty Simpson's up in himself. This Bama team hasn't been itself. And this is a motivated UGA team that maybe outside of tech has been in pretty damn good form. So bottom line, Kirby smart, had a Nick Saban problem, not an Alabama problem. Monkey office back SEC championship and Georgia looking, uh, very solid. I don't, I don't think they're quite as good as the two teams you saw in the big 10 championship, but they are capable of beating them. But Georgia looking very solid today. What's wrong, Brandon. I'm just trying to figure out what to do with Ohio state. Now. I, I, Ohio state is very, very, very fucking good. They beat Texas to open the season 14 to seven. Their schedule was fucking awful tonight. They got in a rock fight and Ryan day kind of stubbed his toe a couple of times, but Indiana is good too. So they were right there with them. But like, is Georgia as good as Indiana? And Ohio state, I, I, I don't know the answer to that question. I'm going to have to really, I'm going to have to pray about this. I'm going to have to pray about it and meditate on it because like Ohio state, I, and listen, I, I have credibility here. Somebody who's not doubted Ohio state at all, but I really think you got to think about saying, like Sam kind of looked here in the headlights a little bit last tonight when they heated his ass up. He was fluttering some balls there in the second. I'm just saying this was a team with zero questions six hours ago. Now there's questions and Georgia, Georgia looks like they've got their shit together. So I don't know if I would say they're not as good as Indiana and Ohio state. I think the defenses are all on par with one another. All three. Great. Uh, I think Georgia doesn't have the skill positions that Ohio state and Indiana has. Well, Georgia skill positions, but branch look good branch branch out of that good play at the end, but I don't think they have it overall. See, like I would have said coming in today that Georgia didn't have the defense. This was Georgia's best defense. I thought by far of the season, like this was a different Georgia defense. And I saw a year. I thought that's like I said, I thought the gap that they had was like, Oh, like they don't have the defense that Ohio state has. That'll be the difference. Their defense played that way today. Like they're, they're right there. Like they're definitely, I watched that game was okay. Like put a pin in that, like they're, they're playing their best ball at the right time. They've been clutch all year, but it seems like they've really started to dominate the waning weeks of the season. No, I'm Georgia's definitely right there for sure. Well, they also, did you see that? Did they, they also stopped the best offense in the country. Did nobody see this? Well, four blank faces. Okay. No, just for, okay. Read Twitter one time. This motherfucker, uh, this motherfucking quarterback for Alabama, this fucking quarterback, uh, came out after the game said, I still think we're the best offense in the country. No, you're not. He looked so bad. Uh, no, I mean, I think, you know, and we do this every year. It's like, what's the one? You don't want to see going into the playoff that other than like the one or two seed. And I feel like going into this, it's like, you know, it's Georgia, it's Georgia. And to me, the big 10 championship obviously was a Heisman trophy on the line. Who's going to win the big 10. And then also who's not going to have to play Georgia. If it matches up, it's like, who's going to avoid them longer because Georgia is that team to me. And I agree with Ev that their defense had kind of looked shaky. Their offenses looked pretty good. And now you look at the way that they played. And I mean, and, and also Alabama just did not play well at all. So it wasn't even just Georgia. I mean, Georgia deserves the flowers for sure. Alabama looks like shit. Um, but yeah, I, I would put Georgia right there with Ohio state and Indiana immediately. Minus three rush yards. Oh shit. Dookie, uh, Georgia, Georgia finishes with minus three rush yards brand with only three sacks, which, so not an insane, like, I mean, they probably rushed for like, like 20 yards maybe in this entire game, Alabama did. And I know Alabama struggled to run the ball all season long, but they, they had, they had the good night against sovereign. Um, they were good in the first game against Georgia and that's why they had success. They ran it well in Athens and went 13 to 19 on third down tonight. Couldn't run it for shit. They go three of 14 on third down. That's the difference between the two games. Yeah. I just thought, um, my one thing about, uh, since we're talking about coaches, it's just every time Alabama has a chance in the DeVore era to take the step forward, they get back to, Oh, it's Alabama again. And as soon as they get to, you know, they get to, you know, they get to, you know, they go that next step, they fall, they fall every time. And I like, there's some, there's something about this team. They have no killer instinct. No, like they can't run out of the fucking building today. And I, I, I almost felt like in the second half, Kirby was being nice as fuck. Like he, yeah, they, they really chilled offensively for a minute there. Sanky was on the phone. Like, Hey brother, can we not blow them the fuck out? Because we do want to keep them in the playoff. Like maybe that call was made. I mean, listen, it's, we've been saying this all year. We've been saying it since Kalen DeVore took over. It's like, this team is as much for lack of better terms, softer than they were under Nick Saban. They don't have the same culture. They can't run the ball the same way. And I mean, if anything, and I know Liam or Lukey tweeted it, but like Mark Ingram is sitting on big noon kickoff saying like, they shouldn't get in the playoffs. Like this is like, he bleeds Alabama. And he's like, this team should not get in the playoff. If you're going to keep BYU out, I know we'll get to that game. But that's the way that these former Alabama players are looking at this team right now, because it's like, not only did they get their doors blown off by Georgia, they just aren't playing the Alabama brand of football that these guys are used to playing. And it was just so obvious. Like it just, it was a disgusting display of football for the most part by Alabama. to me that does spark the bigger playoff conversation it's like look like yeah they have three losses they went to the conference championship but like yuck we got some uh we got some go ahead big f duke duke just won the football game duke is acc champions leo word the g word the in virginia on their first play well i actually credit to duke they were on fourth and goal and they went for it and scored credit to them and then first and then first play virginia they run like a reverse pass that gets picked off or throwback well i think it was a little throwback pass william a true play interception i hope you're fucking happy dude i hope you're happy all year long i told you to stop talking about duke and you wouldn't do it stop talking about duke and now we have a seven and five conference champion yeah i mean the acc should have been a little bit better than eight and five yeah i mean what you want me to say there's not if you really if you really look yourself in the mirror if you really really really love college football you'd love duke there's not a team that epitomizes the sport more than duke the ups the downs the absolute roller coaster that you ride on with them the heartbreak the glory that's duke are they good no are they bad no they're as mediocre as mediocre gets and they won a really mediocre acc pretty fitting though uh liam is dairy mince's contract worth it now four mil for an agency gotta be dude and see gotta be and see liam this is where like this really separates the ball knowers and and the ball watchers it separates me and you you pretend to be a ball watcher but i think the epitome and the spirit of college football it seems like illinois state going on the road beating north dakota state in the fcs playoff that's what i think but that's just me i i didn't brent i didn't know if you want to talk about that that's that's the most shocked i've been by any result all year i don't think any of you here are willing to talk about the fcs playoff i have a lot of thoughts about it but i'm gonna we're gonna pass right now uh because you guys just aren't equipped to talk about it with me okay fair uh can i just bring up what k on the board said post game what he's saying is ty simpson said they're the best offense in the country because you went to ty simpson and k on the board went straight to the paul ticking them paul ticking the sport is it's quite brutal um k on the board just said first off if this game applies to and takes away from our resume i don't think that's right i really don't i think the president has been set okay k on the board also said this is the one if you're really looking at this game it was a 14 point game with seven and a half minutes to go and we had the ball that's the worst quote i saw you tweet that actually that is alabama's that is alabama's coach getting on his knees and saying i know we got our ass kicked because i'm a soft pussy but please put us in the playoff so i can get my ass kicked again and also we had some stupid ass alabama fans in here tonight saying no caitlin deborah made the playoff in his second year at alabama you guys are acting like it's bad coach if scraping into the playoff is what alabama has reduced themselves in just over a year and a half if they've fallen that far that bad like this thing is the the roller coaster is going that way and it ain't coming back so just shut the fuck up about caitlin i'm i'm with you liam on the politics being out of control it's obviously a function of a subjective system but how funny that last year caitlin deborah was arguing that this game should matter and that smu should not get in uh after they had lost their conference championship whereas this year he finds himself advocating for the exact opposite thing he just wants to remind people there is no precedent nothing matters you just argue your case no matter what it's really okay he's hiccup he's got the hiccup he's got some sort of sickness dude i don't know again if you're in the barstool chicago office also in new york office and you're sick let's not go into the office and get the rest of us sick now the blutman have a madhouse on a conference championship weekend it's been real tough yeah he doesn't sound so good he doesn't sound healthy he's on the medicines and he's he's gotten a lot better actually believe it or not uh you know who hasn't got better it sounds like a fire alabama alabama hasn't got better at all let's call a segue by the way and that was a really good one alabama hasn't looked good since the third saturday in october if you want to talk about like i if diego pavia wasn't at ufc the night he had been tweeting and saying a lot of things about alabama all right you know what tonight when you brought up politicking i immediately thought about diego pavia i i thought about the fact that we're watching two heisman contenders not be all that impressive for a lot of the first half of the indiana ohio state game uh mendoza really really came on strong in the second half but like if pavia wanted to politic he could have instead he's just out in vegas getting drunk it's just so perfectly diego pavia you know it's like you see him with the big diamond chain and the whole thing i don't know what the odds are i mean liam you could probably pull him up for me much quicker than i could but i know at one point in the first half of the game like he was the odds-on favorite to win the heisman because it was such a defensive battle um i assume fernando mendoza's gonna win it now he had his moment mendoza's like a thousand four hundred yeah like he had the heisman moment to to charlie be at the end of the game that just sealed nashville tennessee also and here's how you know i'm unbiased i mean i've been talking a lot of shit about sark uh you know politicking and all that all these coaches have to do it we know i mean nick saban did it you know before he retired when he talked about you know the lines and who would be favored on whatever like i get that but at some point it is like it's just easy to look at him to be like when you do have three losses texas more so but like when you have these three losses you have to look around at the rest of the teams that have two losses and give us an argument of why you think you should be above them and like they can't do it on the spot like that to be a fly on the wall of the committee tonight and tomorrow and like we know that they're not always setting the right precedent they go back and forth kirk herb street said it today on college game day i completely agreed with they should just do away with the tuesday night shows because that's where they really fuck themselves is setting it up all year they should just do it tonight but i i just don't know what they're going to do now and i know that tonight's not necessarily the show to break that down but they do have a lot of decisions they have to make thank you that's dollar bills baby no i know and that's what kirk said he was like with all due respect like i know it's against our network and we shouldn't be doing this on tuesday nights because it puts them in a pigeonhole uh read an ad for us casey hi roughnecks we'll be right back after this word from our sponsor stelle blue coffee's new can lattes are here crafted with 100 colombian coffee each can is a good source of protein and comes in two smooth flavors espresso cafe mocha and espresso sweet cream and whether you're braving your morning commute or chasing your pup stelle blue cans are for those always on the go and for those who care stelle blue is more than just great coffee it's about giving back i named the brand after my rescue dog stella who inspired our mission to help more dogs find their forever homes every purchase supports animal rescue organizations so when you drink stella blue you're not just fueling your day you're saving a dog's life try the new cans today taste the difference and make a difference all new stella blue coffee can lattes now available at stellebluecoffee.com or subscribe on amazon for 10 off and now back to the episode there's another team we need to talk about well hey you know there'll be a lot of discussion about byu and alabama you know byu one loss in the regular season they lose again today texas tech they've got two losses now to the number 14 in the country but uh that discussion is mind-numbing and i don't really want to feel like getting into it right now if y'all won't have the byu alabama everybody else discussion we can have in a minute can we give some flowers to texas tech and yeah like you know indiana just went out and proved it right now but but texas tech has been in the big 12 and they've uh they've kind of been quietly going about their business but they've just been thrashing teams and they did it again today the defense is out of this fucking world the offense is good like they are they are the they might be the model program in in college football right now in the fact that they saw all the opportunities to go pay pay players they hired a texas coach and said we're gonna we're gonna invest everything we got into winning in football and they poured it in man and they went out and bought a winner and that's where we live in this day and age they're incredible uh texas tech look great yeah they looked uh they look dominant and the thing is a lot of people are going to use it as a platform to poo byu and i still think byu is a damn good team as well a playoff caliber team whether they make it or not so to so resoundingly beat a team of that caliber uh not once but twice this season and i think maybe compared to because look i i do think i think texas defense is clearly national championship good uh the front seven is elite um as good as anyone in the country i think bailey's team is going to be a good team i think they're going to be a good team i think they're still leads the country in sacks actually uh liam help me out here is it the mustache boys the mustache gang the mustache crew the mustache man that's an alliteration well the mustache mafia okay whatever the the linebackers right their stashes like even they even all showed up to the post-game interview together and uh joey mcguire talked about yeah i didn't think they'd be able to keep them out they do everything so i i the only question i got texas tech is maybe a bit of the offense but yeah they're just as live they're they're like i would score them right behind in the game and i think they're going to be a good team and i think they're going to be a good Indiana Ohio State then Georgia then Texas Tech in terms of teams that i think can uh can can win the natty here say that order again uh like indiana state whatever georgia smidge behind tech sec maybe a smidge behind that so i have not previously had them in the list of teams that can win the national title i think i do now and because i think what happened tonight in indianapolis could happen whenever they play i think they can that defense can just drag everybody into a rock fight and yeah like this game tonight turned into a rock fight it was 13 to 10 and texas tech has the ability to do that to anybody and listen we people shit on that conference but arizona state was this close last year to uh to playing in the final four this close to beating texas and that arizona state team i don't think is as good as this texas tech team true and that's i i think texas tech they look like a playoff contending championship contending team and uh i'm not sure i thought that six weeks ago eight weeks ago but i do i think it now they what joey mcguire has done there has been incredible and i mean this is why this you know the and not to go into like the big arguments of where you can win national titles but we now see of the top four teams you've got kurt signetti in indiana and joey mcguire at texas tech building these national championship rosters going out and paying these players and saying we don't have to have the quote big winning brand behind us and i joey mcguire said it on wake up barstool last week like he's not going anywhere he's gonna stay in lubbock and stay at texas tech that's the type of program that you do have to be scared of when they when they're have all the money in the world to be able to go out and get these players watching that game today and i thought byu would keep it close uh in the opening drive of the game we're like okay like here they are that's the first time texas tech has let a team score on them i believe in the opening drive all season and then texas tech just absolutely dominated them from i mean suffocated everything about them and what that said to me was not necessarily that they're that much better in the big 12 they're that much better than the entire conference i completely agree that they're a national title contending team that defense is horrifying it's absolutely just they're they're full of monsters everything about it is is going incredibly well for texas tech and this is why i'm so interested to see where they slot these teams in the top four because i know like georgia is the team you don't want to see but you don't want to see texas tech either so where who is number three and number four like these are all the the conversations are gonna have to have but texas tech's legit oh my god casey you brought up the opening touchdown so byu forgot about yeah they go 14 plays 90 yards like oh shit here we go right they didn't have another drive over six plays and even the six plays one was an outlay outlier three plays six plays six plays uh one play uh oh i guess on the missed field goal drive they had 12 but then it's like interception punt fumble downs interception fumble it's fucking insane the choke hold that they put on after that opening touchdown drive so what i want to have happen is i want a and m to get up to the five five and i want y'all i want y'all to play in the in the second week i i just want to see it i want to see texas explode that's what i want to see i the all the spongebob memes of texas in the attic watching a and m texas tech and ou in the yard playing have just tickled my fancy all day it's just beautiful um all right i got a big 12 this was the largest crowd ever at a power four football championship game really yeah they put the fun fact from uh matt esner on twitter at yeah they saw that 85 519 tickets at the edward jones big 12 championship if you were in you were there i know you didn't go into the game but you were at the bar for all the events like how was the the vibe i mean dallas is very clearly a texas tech hub were there a lot of byu fans there uh i mean the bar was definitely very that i was that was all was all texas tech fans for the most part it was you know it was good they were loving i mean no they're they're legit i think they're very legit and i agree with kind of brandon's take on it that i mean they're very legit they're very like indiana proof tonight that like you have two you have two elite defenses match up like who knows like the margins get small and i think texas tech is definitely capable of doing that i i think i mean i think obviously indiana is going to be one i think i i wonder if they'll kind of get like they won't want to make ohio state four to kind of be like if indiana's ohio state's going to play again it's for a national title and also i guess you could argue in ohio state's behalf their one loss was to a one and two game but they lost by three and i feel like we're just going to be two or three i mean i feel like and then georgia three or georgia probably two or three and then probably four i guess the thing the only thing with that like they're going to look at texas tech's sole loss is that baron morton wasn't playing like that is something they're going to have to talk about it's like the one time that they did lose he was hurt so like i don't know how much they take that into consideration because every time he's played they haven't had any issues but i don't see how they drop ohio state all the way to four but maybe they will no they gotta be two i doubt it i think it'll be two or three i don't even see what the argument for three would be i guess well maybe because georgia won the sec yeah yeah i mean it would be hard i mean but ohio state has one loss as well and they lost to the best team in the guy i don't know but it doesn't matter it's two three whatever georgia georgia lost alabama then avenge that loss in a in dominating fashion i feel like georgia's a two seed i i think ohio state falls to three that's what i think okay that makes i mean i guess two but two and threes are relevant yeah it's what color jerseys we wear i mean yeah i'm just trying to think so what does it matter yeah i mean the two seed the two will play the seven or the ten the three will play the six or the 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two seed blutman will be uh georgia t-bob uh you've convinced me georgia casey georgia big f yeah georgia it's an espn production i that after your team looked like that tonight i don't think you can say that okay three seed liam blutman t-bob uh yeah oh i see me ohio state casey i think it's gonna be ohio state but i don't think it's with a bullet i can see i can see them fucking around and putting tech there just because tech's only loss was when their quarterback was hurt i'll tell you why in a minute big f of uh three seed ohio state four seed liam blutman right array does four seed t-bob tex tech four seed me texas tech and the reason why i do think the the committee's going to try to massage some uh massage some matchups here i don't think they want to work in ohio state in the second round um casey yeah i mean i'm going to say texas tech just again i could see those those conversations happening but i also am not 100 sure that i think oregon's going to stay where they are big f four seed leon blutman i don't think they want to work in ohio state in the fourth seed back definitely tech liam blutman who's the five seed Oregon T-Bob I'm going to recuse myself of this situation I got to be honest, every time we talk about the bracket I don't remember how it works So I have no idea You don't know who you think will be Nah, I get very confused I'd just rather not deal with it T-Bob, who's the 5 seed? Oregon I'm going to cheat off Liam's test I don't understand how you have to understand the bracket To know who you think they think the best team in the country is Because I don't understand How they would want to massage you to set up the best matchups Because I can't keep it straight in my head and conceptualize them I understand Okay Casey, who's the 5 seed? It's going to be either Oregon or A&M Big F, who's the 5 seed? Oregon, I mean they're the 5 now What changed? Yeah, good point It should be, in my opinion, A&M It will be Oregon Blutman, 6 seed, who is it? Ole Miss, I just think it's bizarre If they change anything on Idol Week Agreed, but Listen, who fucking knows, dude T-Bob, you want to say hey to anybody? What did, uh, yeah My little brother Bo What's up, man? Hope you had a great day today M-I-Z Casey, who's the 6 seed? Oregon or A&M Even though it was Ole Miss last week Yeah, I think It was a knee-jerk reaction that they put them there Because it was like, okay We're going to just throw it out there right now A&M looked, like, not very good against Texas But I think with all the stuff that's gone on I don't know how, and I know Charlie Weiss is going back to coach Ole Miss shouldn't have been ahead of A&M in the first place Because that's not an A&M take I understand I'm an Aggie, but like, that's a pretty Like, unanimous take across the board They didn't have, I think the committee's going to Rethink that, and then they also don't have their head coach So I do think that they'll drop When that, when the Bracketing came out The one of the big, now obviously In my corner of the world, in my brain It was very much like, why did A&M drop to seven But from a national standpoint, and from the conversations Unless you just hate A&M It was very much like, what is Ole Miss doing Ahead of A&M, it makes absolutely no sense Especially considering that Lane Is now at LSU, by the way, finally found A hot yoga studio, he finally got happy He was very unhappy with the temperatures Of the hot yoga studios in Baton Rouge But he found a good one Now that I think about it, so Ole Miss' best win Is Oklahoma, A&M's best win Is Notre Dame, Oklahoma's slight edge There Ole Miss' loss is Georgia A&M's loss is Texas, slight edge there Ole Miss doesn't have a coach Slight edge to A&M, alright, we'll figure it out Do I have to keep going? Six seed, Big F? Yeah, I mean, Ole Miss, what changed? I mean, they're at six right now Alright, so, Blutman That would make your seven seed A&M, correct? Yeah, free my boy BK Seven seed You're going to go with Ole Miss, Casey Because A&M's already off your board I am? Alright, now we get into So the 11 and 12 will be 2G5 teams So it comes down to 8, 9, and 10 Woo! 8, 9, and 10 Oklahoma, it seems like They're done good in Gotta be in They're out of the discussion They're not in the discussion The discussion now becomes Four teams, correct? And Texas fans and Vanderbilt fans Look away, you're just not in this discussion It becomes Alabama, BYU, Notre Dame, or Miami Last week, Alabama was the highest ranked of these teams Followed by Notre Dame Followed by BYU Followed by Miami This week, we'll see Because two of those teams lost Gut feeling T-Bob A-Bear Two spots Alabama, BYU, Notre Dame, Miami What do you think? My gut is saying Miami, Notre Dame Though my head first went to Miami, Alabama I think Miami's gonna get in I think they're gonna Because I don't think BYU people are gonna believe in them And I think that was the only real threat Because they had to have advantage Blutman, two spots, four teams BYU, Miami, Alabama, Notre Dame, go Yeah, I had fun trolling on Twitter In my honest opinion, if you're playing these games They do have to matter And you do have to evaluate What happens on the field And how a team is looking in Looking, coming in Alabama hasn't looked right in a month and a half, brother They should not be in the college football playoff They're not one of the best 12 teams right now BYU played their toughest opponent And got shellacked twice Yes, Bear Bachmeier's ankle Deteriorated completely after the opening drive But they got outplayed in every facet of the sport With an unhealthy and a healthy L.J. Martin When they played Texas Tech Your biggest dilemma has been Notre Dame and Miami Notre Dame on the field On a neutral field is a favorite Against a lot of the teams that are in the college football playoff You could throw Notre Dame in And we don't have to have a dilemma and a discussion You could just put Miami in there If you truly believe That those are the two of the best 12 teams Then let's put them in Maybe they'll end up playing again Probably not I would do Notre Dame and Miami That's my true and honest thought Gun to my head I want the best teams in the playoff right now And I think that they're both deserving They have two teams, four spots Four spots, two teams Two spots, four teams Go So if it was up to me I would put Miami and Notre Dame I think the committee is going to put Notre Dame and Alabama That's what I think I think they will not snub their nose to Alabama They just won't do that They won't set the championship week precedent And I think they have enough Fuck you in them To just tell the entire country to go fuck themselves The games don't matter And we will put Notre Dame in over Miami And you're just going to have to deal with it I think they will do that Casey Smith, two spots, four teams I would also put Miami and Notre Dame in I don't think Alabama deserves to be in And if you're going to say BYU doesn't deserve it Because they got their asses kicked Neither does Alabama I agree with Ev The issue with setting the precedent Is they're going to have battling precedents That they're going to have to fight Because they're going to have Miami and Notre Dame And the head-to-head So if you put in Notre Dame You're going to say Okay, head-to-head doesn't matter But then you're also going to Not take Alabama out Because you don't want to set the precedent That conference championships You can be punished if you lose them So they are royally fucked right now They really are I don't know what you do moving forward Because you're going to have to set A dangerous precedent either way Because they don't have enough spots So you're either going to have to say Conference championships don't matter Or head-to-head doesn't matter And that sucks I would like to say something That might be controversial If you're playing in a game Whether it's on championship weekend or not And you lose You might be punished for it Just deal with it Especially if it gives you a third loss That's another thing too If it gives you one loss or two But a third loss, it should matter If you are playing a football game And you lose that football game You have a chance to get punished for it You can sit here and say Well, we got to a championship game Pin a rose on our nose You're playing a game And BYU and Alabama both got their fucking ass kicked today So how are you going to look at the committee and say Hey, you're going to get punished for it We played a game Well, what was the score? Ah, come on, man Dude, that's not how it works That's not how football works That's not how sports work If you're playing a game Play to fucking win Now, here's what I think With these two spots and four teams There's one of these four teams I know that the committee wants to get in there really badly They want Notre Dame in They want them in terribly That's the team they want in the most And that committee is going to sit And their number one goal is getting Notre Dame in And they're going to sit And because they do that That probably gets Miami in Yeah, I mean Legitimate arguments to be made, like Liam said Legitimate arguments to be made But that gives Notre Dame and Miami kind of cover each other They're kind of a tandem deal at this point And they get to go in And again, if you say Oh, we shouldn't be punished for losing a game Then you're reinventing football After 150 years Because every time you lose a football game You get to be punished That's how sports work Yeah The games have to matter We can't be doing this glorified scrimmage stuff And taking away the meaning of the conference championship games Like they want to so badly If you set the precedent tomorrow Then we should have teams next year Then Ohio State and Indiana They literally should have just played the student managers Because the game really doesn't matter at the end of the day Let's be quite honest And you're just risking injury If these games matter You have to It's what we argued about last year Like there has to be There has to be meaning to it Positive and negative It can't be a scrimmage It can't be inter-squad We also have to let go of the idea of precedent There is no precedent Vancouver or something says Then they got to get rid of conference championships No, you have the option to win the fucking game And the reward for winning the game is great So Don't lose it And I know I understand in theory It doesn't matter for Indiana and Ohio State Because they're both going to be Not going to win the game Not only in the playoff They're going to get a bye But like as like the passionate college football fan Like I can't watch the way that Indiana Just celebrated that conference championship And say it doesn't matter Like it does matter It absolutely matters And Ohio State hasn't won Again, there's no shade But it's like you guys haven't won a Big Ten championship In however many years Like that does matter When it comes to a season It does So it's like I get it It's just like saying rivalry weekend doesn't matter as much Because you're still in the playoff Like these games do matter I just think that Alabama like if they would have kept it close, fine, throw them in. They looked like shit. It was a gross football game, and they haven't played well, like Liam said, since they played Tennessee. So leave them out. Honestly, the best thing we could do for this playoff is tell Jamew, Duke, and Tulane to go fuck themselves. Agreed. Agreed. Agreed. And I've been a G5 guy, again, forever. But this year, I'm turning complete heel because it's such a travesty that we are wasting two out of 12 spots on two of those garbage fucking teams. Garbage teams. All three of them garbage. Not real. Fugazi, phony, fake fraud. We'll play one of Oregon, Ole Miss, or Texas A&M and get the absolute shit beat out of them. Like, demolished, pummeled, destroyed, wasted on two teams like a BYU, Bama, or Bandy who all could go in there and compete to win. Maybe not win, but could definitely compete. Oh, and the product itself is just. It's just so much better. And that's why I was kind of. I mean, Virginia, I'm not saying it's an incredible football team either, but Virginia would at least roll something out better than JMU or Tulane. Like, that. I know, I mean, it's. They would get schlocked, too. They would. At least it's. Maybe this is where. And, Liam, I'm sorry. I'm not a huge G5 person. Maybe it's just like. I don't know. At least it's a Power 4 team that's getting in there. At least they're there. They're an ACC champion. I don't know. I understand you. You've had a great chance to be in the tournament. And then they went out there and laid an egg tonight and then came back and then laid an absolute egg again in overtime. I'm not advocating that both. That the group of five should have two teams in. I'm just going to. Well, I was going to prepare. Well, I was prepared to say tonight. Sorry for the inexplicable speaking. There's another inherent flaw in the playoff system. There just is. The thing shouldn't have been the four highest rated conference champions. It should have just been Power 4. It's a simple wording, and they scuffed that, and they messed it up. And I think everybody on the planet would agree with that. And you still have had. You would rather have Duke. I mean, I guess you'd rather have Duke than the Jays. You still have had a very, very mediocre Duke team in, but 99 times out of 100, like, this is an anomaly. And it's year two, and it's an anomaly. And we're all cognizant of that. Duke has no chance, but a better chance than JMU. I'll leave it there. And maybe you guys. Like, again, the politic, it's like you lost five games this year, but the fact that the ACC champion lost five games is just crazy. Like, that's just. Like, that sentence is insane. Like, a Power 4 conference champion lost five football games in one season. That's wild. How much. Do we have any more ads? No more. That's tomorrow. Remember, we got a. Yeah. A whole shebang tomorrow. Well, tomorrow morning at 11 a.m., the committee will let you know who's in the playoff, and we will be here with you to talk about it. Um. Shut up, Tulane. How about him? Told you about the Green Wave all year long, Liam. All year long. What about Tulane, dude? Okay, yeah, touche. Touche. Tulane's gonna get in, play Ole Mask at me by 90 again. That'll be fun. Um. All right. I think we're good, right? Winners, losers? I mean, I. I didn't plan to do that tonight, but if you have. Listen. I didn't come prepared for that, but, Liam, if you did, raise your hand if you have a winner and a loser. Yeah, well, there's one major winner here, Brandon. All right, uh, Liam, who won the week? Oh, don't go with me first. I steal everyone's. What the fuck? I mean, it's Indiana. No, it's Wisconsin. Tracy, who won the week? Uh, I'll just. You know, it's Indiana. Very clearly, it matters to them to be the worst program in college football history, and then, you know, a couple years under Kurt Cignetti, have what they do. But more importantly, it's our boy Mikey Kadick. And I hope Mikey Kadick is somewhere having a fucking blast right now in Indiana. And I saw Dan tweet it. He's going to be hungover forever. But, like, you just. Like, that has to feel so good. And I just. Like, everything about this Indiana program, all year they're told, you know, you're not as good as Ohio State. You're a product of your schedule. Ohio State and Indiana and other schools and other conferences are a product of these big conferences. There's no doubt. But Indiana. I mean, Fernando Mendoza crying. People were making fun of that. I loved it. I loved every single part of that. Like, Indiana. A lot of people were making fun of it. Do what? No, I said. I. I'm sorry. I spoke intrusive thoughts. I. The fact that people would make fun of that is just a sign of the cynical AIDS that I referenced earlier. Like, it's fucking ridiculous. I love sincerity. I love the genuine happy. This is why you play the game. That happiness after the game. Like, that interview. That. That is sports in general. And that is college football to me. Yeah, I agree. He's Kirk Cousins. And I mean that, like, endearingly. Kadick says he smashes beers with the boys for whatever that's worth. Also, Mendoza's a guy I generally could see having, like, I see having, like, a decade-plus NFL career. I think he's gonna be awesome. He's real. Maybe it's, like, the sap in me, the, like, the mom, but, like, whenever he got hurt and, like, his little brother had to come in to, like, you know, like, hold serve until he came back. I don't know. Just. Just what a story. What a story. Yeah, we wouldn't even talk about him getting the fucking piss knocked out of him first play of the game then coming back and having the balls to play the game that he did. Tough. Oh, um. Of some bitch. T-Bob, who won the week? Gus Johnson, Brandon. I mean, every time the guy's on the big stage, he absolutely shines. Charlie B. from Nashville, Tennessee, and then even got a shot in at you at the very end after Mendoza interviewed right before they went to commercial break. He said, hey, give him the Heisman now. Calling you out for calling him out after the Penn State call. Uh, Big F, who won the week? Uh, Indiana. Indiana, they got it. Yeah. You'll be fine, man. You'll be fine. Sometimes, sometimes the brevity is the, uh, is the key. Um, Liam, who won the week? Kansas State, Jerry Mack. Boise State runs the mound west again. Uh, Western Michigan, W's up. Western out, no big deal. Uh, Illinois State. You, you mentioned it earlier, Brant Walker. North Dakota State was minus 350 to win the national championship a month and a half ago. They lost their first playoff game as 24-point favorites. At home, starting quarterback Cole Payton was four of 12, gets hurt up seven with under two minutes to go. They blow the game. Tommy Rittenhouse threw five interceptions and still won the game. They out-totaled North Dakota State by, like, what, 400 yards. It doesn't make sense. It's one of the biggest upsets in college football postseason history. Illinois State, the Redbirds, the boys from normal Illinois pull off the most unnormal upset we'll see all year. Ooh, nice. Casey, who lost the week? Uh, I think it's Alabama fans. I think, I mean, we'll see what happens tomorrow, but as of right now, I do feel like if you're not a Tuscaloosa person or you're not Greg Sankey, uh, you're, you're saying Alabama should be left out of the playoff and to go into a championship weekend as the brand of Alabama and know that there's an entire voice out there saying, like, fuck that, leave him out. You lost the weekend. Who lost the week? I think it's probably BYU. Um, I mean, they're not going to get in the playoff. I think it's definitely, they have a strong argument. It's unfair to lose to a top four team in the country twice, handle business otherwise and not get in. And really, and to be honest, like, it really feels like they're not even going to be, like, really considered. That's kind of how it feels. So I'd say they're the biggest losers. It's unfortunate. It's the game. T-Bob, T-Bob, who lost the week? Yeah, Provo Day, definitely a loser. But, um, I mean, it's the classic ACC thing, Virginia. Like, same way Georgia Tech did a couple of weeks ago. Who knows when Virginia will be back in the spot that they were tonight. You're playing a 7-5 team with a chance to win a conference championship, go to the playoff. Which, again, if you're not going to make noise, those are, you know, accolades that matter. And then to come back in the manner that they did, down 10 late, only for overtime to go the way that it did, that's, uh, it's brutal. Blutman, who lost the week? I got weirded out by Diego Pavia calling his probably soon-to-be-stepped-at-his-boy. That was really weird. Kalen DeBoer, words post-game terrible. Anyone who said Jake Malzak couldn't pull Molly McGrath, what a bad day to be you. The boy might have done it. Uh, you have the, uh, you have the. Did anyone see the Montana State running back Julius Davis fighting with head coach Brent Vegan? Is that not one of the more bizarre things you've ever seen? After a game? After a win? Yeah, that was crazy. I didn't realize it was after the game until, like, I got to the very end of the clip and I saw a final score. I was like, what the fuck? I thought that was during the middle of, uh, like a scrum. It was, it was crazy. And then, um, last one, and then we can get out of here. Dr. Pepper push-pass challenge. Did you guys see the girl creed in the SEC championship? Yes. I did not watch any Dr. Pepper today. That's unfortunate, T-Bob. You'll love this. Creed's family and friends were searching her name on Twitter and defending her with their life. She's a 23-year-old full-time veterinary student and you're making fun of her because she can't throw a Dr. Pepper football? Shame on you. This was incredible. Fuck yeah, dude. She got smoked. She got smoked. Like, it was over instantly. - And also, and I- - She made like four the whole time the guy made like 20 and and uh god i can't remember who who the sideline reporter was doing i'm sorry alissa lang alissa lang was like they both made contraptions in their backyard to really practice and it's like and that's what she rolled out like it felt so bad it was like alissa like was obviously talking about the the guy who was just smoking her it was it was tough scene tough scene for creed also the committee's ball watching sap is apparent so uh i'll i'll end it with one one who won the week who has not talked about because uh they didn't play a game but uh after going through absolute hell and looking like they botched it for to hell and back penn state not only got a coach but got a damn good coach so uh shout out to penn state um it looked like you were going to lose the entire next 10 years but then i think you won the week i think you got a very very very solid coach so uh congratulations to you um all right that's it we will be back in you about 11 hours um 12 hours yeah we'll be back to talk about the playoff tomorrow morning thank you for watching that's unnecessary roughness everybody look cute