Comic-Con 2026 Top 5 Moments

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comic-con yeah and we couldn't wait we were originally gonna pot tomorrow but no coming off my first ever marvel hall h panel much to the light of our production staff we said they're miserable now but they'll be thrilled tomorrow when they don't have to be here in the morning uh we just wanted to get together much like we did last year last year was sunday morning and listen hindsight it's 2020 i already had covid at that point and just didn't know it yet by the time i got home a few hours later i was like i feel like i'm gonna die but we still made a podcast because such is the joy of being out in the world together do you want to breathe on me right now just to make sure that i get whatever you inevitably have i feel like i've breathed on you quite a bit but yeah we're in it together folks we're in it together ride or die that was horrible i will say we spent many many hours really close to each other in hall h yeah uh both today and yesterday was that yesterday and this is our third day here yeah yeah we're doing great um you had a mask on for just just today for today and it was i was impressed only because in the frantic search for a seat at one point i somehow spotted like an oasis in the desert a seat and it turned out it wasn't a mirage it was a real seat so does that open sat down and then the lovely gentleman who had said yes in fact that is open started coughing and sneezing quite a bit and then i thought you know what i'm gonna pop on pop on an old mask for uh you're like no offense sir but for a hot second here uh so here's what we thought we would do in addition to talking about potential illnesses uh any aches and pains bodily ailments you want to run through we'll hit that in a second as well we want to celebrate we want to talk about the five highlights for each of us the five top moments the things we're most excited about the things that we're most excited to see coming out of comic-con i do want to establish a ground rule in a moment wow the point of clarity about it's a it's something that i just think we can work through in real time okay it's a question it's not a it's not an edict it's not a mandate okay is being here together eligible for the list or is it just should we consider that outside of the top five and just sort of uh assumed really of course that's number one being here together and being here with all the bad babies i was thinking about that like last year i definitely picked like yeah our listeners or whatever yes but it was after i had said do you remember this is after i had said well obviously the number one is being here with all our listeners and getting to do this together but even i wouldn't dream of making that my number one so i'm just gonna say it at the top and then you had it at your number one i was like carla can you edit that out of the pod so i don't seem like quite as big of an asshole did you do that that's so funny i didn't know that i don't pay so should we just make it our shared obviously it's the the number one the bad babies who came to the panel who came to the meet and greet who like made their own bespoke shirts who like man wore bees shirts who came and said hi like just ran up and said hi to us do you know incredible i thought you know i know you i know you told me that you ran into a bunch of bad babies today sort of out in the wild oh all all every hall every corridor one of them it'll be a mystery yeah was the author christina lauren that i was telling you about no way she told later it came back to me that she said hi to you but did not say who she was so christina lauren who's a very famous romance novelist i guess is a bad baby ran into mallory said she was a huge fan but didn't say i'm christina lauren and then just like ran off into the scampered off into the mist was i nice i'm sure was that charming she was like her hair was so shiny um she has wise eyes athena's eyes oh man uh it was really just such a treat to to be here with you to be here with the gang to be here with the midnight boys pew pew always a blast the boys carlos alea arjuna helen sarah like the whole squad is here this year mariana is here with us so that's been really fun that's right charlie was here charlie was here for like a hot second yeah in and out assassin the meetup on thursday night was a joy yeah a blast it is like so wonderful on the t-shirt front they mentioned the custom t-shirts shout out to wolfgang for the for the bees shirt yeah that was amazing and wolfgang said and i'll remember it till the day i die which it could be this evening at this rate everything hurts could be live on mic so i want to get it out there now whoa you think one of us is gonna die on camera one day i mean it's definitely gonna be me if that happens fingers crossed anything for the content you know carlos would you just keep rolling like if one of us had a our numbers would be so okay the numbers on that episode can you imagine oh boy we topped the chart the goal is always to be number one what's the podcast form of a snuff film anyway maybe we'll find out one day um wolfgang said if i came here in a shirt you know about one of the things yeah like it shows i'm a fan of of the things that you cover yeah but if i come here in this bees shirt yeah it shows that i'm a fan of house of r you yeah and it was like it was lovely it was like a scientific bees shirt it was like yeah it was like bees it was really nice this is what they look like the gods be good dual apple shirt right with the o's in the good a red apple and a green apple that was wonderful i will say in a i think statistically and probably in a way that's going to fashion a lot of team green green apple people on the ground here in san diego love san diego and they love us uh yeah a lot of green apple people were were in line it was great uh the panel we did a ringer verse panel today with the gang and that was wonderful that was a treat who hosted that you did wow yeah you did you did great you did fantastic you do toxic positivity and then who's winning the year so far that was a blast yeah we've had a great time with the squad as ever as we always are we were quite anxious uh we were like we'll five people attend but the room was full uh and that was incredible and everyone was so lovely and we will not be that will not be a live episode that is a san diego comic-con that's right exclusive so if you want if you want those gems you gotta be here next year fly to san diego buy a comic-con badge and come to the room yeah okay so obviously that is actually of course the highlight it's just getting to do this together it is it's a treat yeah yeah don't worry it won't be my number one as well all right so we're gonna do our countdown as we always do we'll say a thing and then if one of us has it higher we'll wait here i suspect we'll have a decent amount of overlap but i'm maybe not i don't know you moderated a couple panels you might have some things on here that that you didn't even see i have i've not even gotten to experience there are a couple panels that could have potentially made my list that sadly i didn't get to see but i think it's gonna be a good one so i'm gonna go ahead and say i didn't make it down here in time to see it and get to go to the percy panel or the the avatar panel like i was hoping to early on thursday would those be number one tied it's entirely possible no you don't think so as you know i'm a huge fan of the third percy jackson number one so i'm looking forward to be honest with ourselves uh let's start with number five joanna okay we'll build toward number one and it's possible at some point costumes will become a part of the show because we we got to do a lot of the costumes we're gonna do a lot of the costumes we got some merch we got some merch we got some giveaways today i didn't it's gone what you don't have it what what did i get today I gave it to the guy in our row who didn't get one. Basically, we were in a row. Okay. What's the podcast thumbnail supposed to be now, I ask you? At the Hall H panel for Marvel, which is not our number five, but here we are talking about it anyway, unless it was your number five. It's not my number five. Okay, I don't know why you brought it up now anyway, but anyway. I thought it might be your number five. Or not in your top five, potentially. They handed out, I'm sure you've seen it, they handed out dew masks with, like, a little green capelet situation with a hood, right? It was supposed to be one for everyone. Yeah. There were two, like, by the way, we had been at Hall H for several hours, and there were people who had been in there, like, lined up the night before. Everyone was feral in there. I'm sure the Midnight Boys talked about it plenty on their podcast. The social contract had broken down. Everyone was starving and tired and smelled bad, and it was just, like, a lot. Did the guys talk about the bathroom line? They did? I don't know. I'm sorry. Having to say if you need to take a shit when you line up for the bathroom is too inventive. In a men's bathroom, there was a urinal line and a stall line, so basically you had to announce whether or not you needed a urinal or a stall on the line for the men's bathroom. Unbelievable. It was absolute bedlam in there. Anyway, so when the Marvel panel started, or right before, they came around with these massive bags, and in a bag, there was a dew mask for every single person in the room, except there were two absolute assholes. There were two absolute assholes in our row who took more than one. So by the time the bag got to the end of the row, there were two people at the end of the row who didn't have any. So we turned back to those guys. You were there. You were sitting right next to me. Actually, I think it was one guy who took three. Okay, and we were, like, trying to shame him, and he was like, oh, are you sure? And we're like, yeah. And he was like, oh, here it is. And so we produced one, but we could not shame him out of the other one that he clearly stole. So I just gave mine to the guy who didn't have it because he clearly cared about it more than I did. What a gemstone you are. I wanted to fight. I didn't like that guy, but, like, the woman who had been there for eight hours was like, please don't start a fight. And I was like, okay. Man. Yeah, yeah. Was this after you got shushed? When I say people were feral, I guess I was feral because I was like, I want to fight someone, and I was yammering through the women, like, women on women panel. Oh, my God. I was too busy applying Purell and thinking about how the guys had to declare publicly whether they needed to take a dump to participate. I didn't participate in any of that, so I was just sitting there like, hmm. This is not my number five. Okay, tell me your number five. We haven't slept in days. Days. Okay, my number five is, I mean, I don't know. This is just a personal one to me. I sent a photo of this to Sean Fennessey, but there was a giant activation photo opportunity for the film Wildwood, the Laika film. Yeah, yeah, yeah, sure. And underneath it had the release date, October 23rd, 2026. Yeah. And so… Big for you, a person who drafted that in the hype meter. Why are you stepping on my lines? I drafted that two years ago. Two years ago. On the hype meter. And it got delayed and delayed and delayed. Has an official release date. I just thought it was really funny that it was out there. I took a photo of it, and I sent it to Sean. He was like, we've been waiting so patiently. So, Wildwood, just being here and being real. I'm happy for you. I'm happy for you. I'm so excited for that film. I think it's going to be incredible. The Ringerverse family seems hyped. Steve Allman, can't wait. You've been excited for years. But me more than Steve. First. Hashtag first. Me. Are you… Do you go in the comments of a post that you're excited about and say, first? No, I say it into microphones on podcasts in a really unhinged kind of way. I think I still smell like nacho cheese from Hall H, so, you know. Did you… Did you participate in any activations? Did you go through any of them? No, you were with me like 24-7. There were a couple hours that you were out of my line of sight, which is not my… I don't prefer that, you know. I like to have eyes on you at all times. Did you do any activations while you were in bed? No, we drove past one, you know. We drove past the silo one last night. Where Common was doing a surprise concert. Yeah, we were in an Uber on the way to a lovely dinner. That was probably the number one, you know. But that's not going to make the list, so. Driving by Common. No, the dinner. All of our dinners this week were great, including the pizza. We had, like, raccoons in the corner. Raccoon is exactly right. I walked in. Alayah was like, please wash your hands, and I said no. And what did I say? I said, yeah, I have put Purell on, but I'm going to go wash my hands anyway. I didn't. I just put pizza and then a chicken wing in my face. What do you think of Jimothy on the raccoon front? I have no thoughts. What's your number five? I think Jimothy's amazing. My number five is a tie between Blade Runner and Neuromancer, which feel like things we could talk about together briefly. The Neuromancer trailer was sick. And that was a surprise. So the Apple TV panel was a really long one. That was two hours. That was very long. That was a very meaty, robust glimpse of the slate and celebration of recent releases as well. And the maybe mid-ish way through, there's Callum Turner. Not in person, but on the screen. And we got a… Some branding, you know, a logo, a little tagline that said, Jack in, which I think is risky in the meme era. As I texted, I hit the group chat, crickets, no reply. I might have been asleep at that point. Yeah, it was just some… I'm hoping it was just the rough cell reception in there. But it looked great. It looked fantastic. And I will say, I mean, I don't want to yuck your other yum of your… Your number five. I am not, like, coming down, like, negatively on Blade Runner. I just thought Blade Runner looked okay. And I thought Neuromancer looked what, like, what Blade Runner wanted to look like. We saw, like, maybe 45 total seconds of Neuromancer. And there was a whole panel on Blade Runner. So who knows? I mean, it's hard. So we barely got a glimpse of Neuromancer. This is not a book I've ever read. It's obviously a classic. And I would, like, love to read it ahead of the release. So that's next year. That's… We have one, but the… I mean, boy. Next year's really close. But it was that Apple money. You know what I mean? That season one of a new show, Apple money versus, like… Amazon also has a ton of money. But I don't know. I just saw… I just… It felt more polished and exciting, the little bit of Neuromancer that we saw. I'm excited for Blade Runner because I love Blade Runner, both films. I love the first movie. I love the second film. And it's exciting to have more Blade Runner. I'm a little nervous about it. You know, I said this when we did the hype meter, but… The idea of Blade Runner and everything in this era becoming just, you know, IP fodder to mine and mine and mine and mine, there's always the risk that something feels like a retread or did we need this or, like, there's a diminishing return on what the core premise gave us in the first place. I hope that's not the case with this. We were introduced a few times over the course of the panel to the term Sunshine News. Sunshine Noir. Sunshine Noir. Sunshine Noir. They sort of said it as, like, one word. Yeah. Sunshine Noir. Yeah. So that seems like it's both a, like, a visual palette and also a mood, right, and a tone. They were saying that the first movie's rainy, the second movie is snowy, and this one is sunny, which is not what you think of when you think of Blade Runner. No. But, like, but, you know, when we… The footage that we saw, it wasn't like it looked like, you know, sunshine and lollipops that you do not, but it was just… No, apocalyptic sunshine. But, yeah, it was like there was an orange glow around it, but it still looked… Yeah. The kind of sun that makes you… Yeah. The kind of sun that makes your skin blister off. Yeah. Like the film Sunshine. Indeed. Yeah. Indeed. Yeah. I'm sure that's what you were referencing, and then I just yes-and-ed your reference. I'm holding out hope that Blade Runner is good, and I'll remain hopeful until November 25th, if given a reason to believe otherwise. Great. And it was fun. We got to hear from Michelle Yeoh. We got to hear from Hunter Schafer about the characters, about the dynamic. We're already just kind of instantly, like, start to theorize about, okay, who's actually a replicant? That's always fun. So I look forward to Blade Runner. I hope it's good. What's your… You're number four, Jo. I'm guessing neither of those made your top five, then. Correct. Okay. But I thought that Neuromancer look was really exciting. I'm going to say my number four is a panel that I hosted for Neon for the film Hope from director Na. It was at Cannes. It's this sort of, like, monster action comedy. Thriller for horse girls kind of movie. It's wild. It's about an hour and 40 minutes. I got to see it. Because I hosted the panel, I got to see it. So I thought the film was, like… I just can't stop thinking about it. Like, while I was watching it, I was like, I'm not sure this is so much movie in this movie. And a lot of, like, strange things happen. Yeah. And, like, Michael Fassbender and Alicia Vikander are in it, but they are not in it in a way that you expect. And so I was, like, quite surprised. By how they were used in the movie. But I just thought it was really, really cool. And then, like, the panel was great. And then everyone I've talked to… Like, the footage that they showed was amazing. There's this, like, incredible sequence with a guy and a horse and then, like, five people in a car. And they're racing down a road, like, on a back mountain somewhere. They're racing down a road and then, like, a creature is rushing after them. And they're trying to get the guy on the horse to get in the car. And everything in this movie other than… monsters who are like CGI phantasmagorical creatures – Was, like, incredibly practically done. So, like, it's – you know, coming off something like The Odyssey, you're just, like, see – you know, they shot these, like, incredible horse chase sequences in the Romanian forests, but there's no, like, place to put your normal camera equipment. So, like, they had, like, camera guys on horseback and camera guys – like, cameras on wires and camera guys on, like, little motorbikes and stuff like that. And it just all looks, like, so cool and so grounded inside of this, like, wildly fantastical story about monsters that are aliens. So, I thought that was – Is that a spoiler or is that just part of the premise? No. They were saying aliens on the panel, so that was not a spoiler. I did not spoil that. Did any of the characters have to film their scene through a mirror? No, no. No IMAX cameras were used in the making of this as far as I know. But it was, like – it was pretty cool. And I – I think people are really going to like it. I'm excited. I remember hearing a brief discussion about this after the can, big pick pod, and thinking it sounded strange and fascinating and very intriguing. It's interesting because I didn't listen to their can wrap-up, but my understanding is that both Amanda and Sean were into it. And I'm, like – I'm actually kind of, like, surprised – or, like, at least intrigued by it. Yeah. I feel like – I don't want to – Mischaracterize? Yeah, mischaracterize. Okay. Anyway. I feel like there was – they had – Oh. It takes on the CGI, but I can't – Oh, no. The CGI is insane. Yeah. Like, the CGI in this movie is insane, but I don't think it's trying to be anything realistic, so it doesn't bother me. Yeah. If it's, like, alien monsters and you're, like, that looks like CG, I mean, what is it supposed to look like? You know? Rocky? Perhaps. You're number four. Last year, we got to – we got to see Rocky's little fingers. Remember that? I do remember that. What's your number four? My number four is – It's about Widow's Bay, but it's sort of using Widow's Bay as a way into the idea of really palpable, instant euphoria in fandom. Because we love Widow's Bay, right? You and Rob covered it every week, and we're having, like, the time of your lives talking about it. Group chat after group chat at The Ringer fired up every week talking about the latest episode. It was definitely the show this year that, like, the most colleagues and people were texting about. In real time and having the most fun enjoying. A lot of my friends were watching it and loving it. But you still, like – and then, you know, obviously the overall kind of just the praise on the internet, the slew of Emmy nominations. There's still something different about being here on the ground in Comic-Con and hearing people scream in the room for something that is so new. Because so much of Comic-Con – and this is on the other end of the spectrum, obviously, part of the really cool, joyous thing about being here. Just seeing people celebrate things they've loved their entire lives, right? Like, seeing – and we've had a couple interactions this week with various folks who are like, I am here with my kid. And I started bringing my kid when he was six, and now he's 21, and we're still doing it, right? And so the idea of spending a lot – Or, like, all the Spaceballs cosplay I saw during the Spaceballs day, which was yesterday. And those are, you know, those are fans who have been fans of Spaceballs for decades. And it was just, like, really cool. Yeah. And so seeing, like, either your continued journey with the story for a really long stretch of time. Yeah. Or maybe – Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Or maybe introducing Comic-Con or a universe to somebody. That feels like a really kind of entrenched elemental aspect of the DNA of this experience. Widows' Bay just aired. Like, it just wrapped a few weeks ago. And, you know, we went to the Showrunners on Showrunning panel. That's our pal Damon Lindelof, friend of the pod. Crush It and Katie Dippold, showrunner of Widows' Bay and Craig Daniels. And they were all talking about their various experiences. But when the Widows' Bay – Anything about season two being on the horizon, but just the discussion of season one, there was such a palpable kind of spark of excitement in the room. And then today, at the Apple panel, you know, I'm sure plenty of people who haven't actually seen something like cheer in the room. And there was definitely a guy right behind me who was like, what's this show about? But the how many people have seen Widows' Bay? Who loves Widows' Bay? There was a raucous kind of celebration. A lot of people just, like, across the week were bringing up Widows' Bay, talking about Widows' Bay. Asking if people had seen Widows' Bay. And so that just felt like a really fun thing to see something introduced into the center stage of this 2026 Comic-Con. Really instantly feeling like it was part of the – not just the nerdverse, but, like, the cultural conversation en masse. And, like, something people are going to look forward to tracking the mythology of and theorizing over. And, like, knowing that for however many seasons it runs, people will be, like, engaging with it at Comic-Con. We saw somebody dressed up. It was Patricia. I saw a couple of Patricias in their headdresses over the weekend. Yeah, and so that just happened so fast. It's really awesome. I love it. I think it's also – we ran into Kingston Rumi-Southwick, who's a young actor on the show, in the elevator in our hotel last night. And he was just, like – he and his mom were just, like, incredibly sweet. And it was just, like, really – like, he was so excited. And he got out of the elevator before his mom did. And she's like, he just turned 18. You know, like, he's at Comic-Con. He went up on Hall H stage today. And he just turned 18. I think we're just about to. And, like, this is the moment for him. It's awesome. It was great. Yeah. It's very exciting when something feels like it's, like – because we've been talking a lot recently about how monoculture is gone. And that's true. There are just these, like, smaller pockets of fandom. But when something really animates a lot of conversation and excitement inside of one of those pockets, it's magical. So it's really cool to see that happening for Widows' Bay right now. It's just a delight. What's your number three? My number three? Um, I'm going to pick – it's really difficult to choose. But I'm going to pick the Rings of Power panel that we went to. Which I – I mean, like, all three of the things at the top are, like, really splashy. But I think the thing about the other two that we'll talk about when we get there is, like, part of what Comic-Con is is it's a celebration of fandom, as you mentioned. But it's also just, like, a marketing opportunity. You know, it's a way to get us, like, excited. It's a way to get us excited about something. And I was already really excited for the Rings of Power. So I don't know that, like, that panel did anything to, like, dramatically alter my mind. I was just sort of like, here's a show I was really excited for anyway. We're both kind of bummed that they're doing, like, a weird janky binge drop for it, you know. So that's – that's part of the information that we learned. But, like, Ben Walker, who's – who's an actor in the cast, moderated the panel. He was fantastic. They did, like, a fun little flashy, like – they had their version of the Black Riders basically. Like, come out in, like, red smoky lights and they were very scary. And that was, like, some fun, spectacular stuff. And then this – this interview will run later, but we had Patrick and JD in the studio this morning to talk about Rings of Power. And that was, like, absolutely fantastic. Like, Patrick and JD, like, talking to us, like, way surpasses the panel for me in general. So I would say that whole thing is three, but I'm reserving the top two for, like, things that really move the needle for me in terms of, like, my – my anticipation. So that's why Rings of Power is there. Exciting. I have that higher on my list. My number three is definitely one of your top two based on – on that framing. My number three is – but I – it was hard to order one, two, and three. It really was. My number three is Lanterns, which – I mean, the panel was great. It was – the panel was super fun. We got to see far and away the most footage of – Very footage heavy, yeah. Any – any panel that was very – very clip heavy, but in a – in a – in a smart way. Got to show us different characters, different dynamics, different elements of the show. You know, getting to be – it's a shock to me in real time not to have getting to be in the same room as Kyle Chandler, not number one on my list, but ever so slightly edged out. These were really 1A, 1B, 1C. I – the new trailer, the full trailer that they released was just dynamite. This was, like, I think the closest we had – actually, there were a couple things in the Marvel panel that – that gave us this energy as well. But, you know – When we were at the Project Hail Mary panel with Van last year and the moments where he was just like, oh, you know, you could feel the excitement, like, mounting in real time, that was just, like, the first glimpse that started. And then it just built and built and built, and he was so hyped the whole time, and, you know, we got to sit with the whole squad for that one, so that was really fun. You know, the show – I'm really excited to cover it. I hope it's good. We – I feel like we have a much harder time with the DC HBO show. The show's anticipating what the level of engagement is going to be, like, week to week. You know, sometimes it's a real surprise when we get something like Penguin, and there's just not only a lot of quality, but really a lot to talk about every week. And I really hope that people are into Lanterns and that it's, like, a fun little invigorating post-Supergirl return to form. Yeah. Because we were all – you know, we were having a moment of, oh, DC is, like, maybe about to – We were having a moment of, oh, DC is, like, maybe about to kick Marvel in the ass here moment for a while, and then that air really came out of the balloon with Supergirl, I think. I just think we make these proclamations way too quickly. Yeah, that's what I think. Well, we're podcasting. That's what we're here to do. We're just like, Superman was good. Superman was good. DC's on top, you know. Penguin was good. First season of Peacemaker was good, not the second one. And, you know, Supergirl was just dreadful. It was very bad. That was upsetting. Shout out Crypto, though. Still on my mind and in my heart now and always. Lanterns just looks dope, so hopefully it's wonderful. Do you have that at two or you have it at one? Lanterns is my number two because – and I think it was the most effective panel in terms of – reversing my expectations about something because I had been a little down on lanterns just because of some behind the scenes stuff that I had heard. But I really liked all of the footage that they played. I thought it was like a really fantastic and like, you know, you had been sort of making the counter argument to me of like Kyle Chandler and a wax trucker. Like what more can you want? Insanely hot. Like this is enough. I need a little more than that. But what I didn't account for was just the like how strong the Aw Shucks coach Taylor Charm was going to work on me. And I should have known that. But like he's leaning all the way into that. And the show is like the trailer that we saw, which starts with him like tossing a bucket of water, basically like a melted ice bucket on Aaron Pierre's character. And like I was like, oh, it's Matt Saracen in the shower. And then they had – they dropped a line about like you're the backup quarterback. And I was like, oh. They're just like leaning into Friday Night Lights and that works on me. So I'm excited for that. So like I'm – you know, there's a lot of people in that cast I'm excited about. But like the Kyle Chandler getting to like be a more dickish version of Coach Taylor plus all of the like sort of the celebrity stuff that he's doing is really, really enticing to me. So what they did in that panel, even though I thought it was terribly moderated, but what they did in that panel was like – what they did in that panel with like all the footage they selected was really effectively sell me on a show that I was very skeptical of. So, you know. Yeah, I think that the just charisma bomb that Kyle Chandler is, the dynamic between the Hal Jordan character and the Jon Stewart character feels like such a rich text right away. I think that they're positioning – and this has been there since – this is really the first trailer. Certainly was very present in the second trailer, I think. You know, the different paths to the ring, right? Hal having this more traditional I've been chosen. Jon training and working and interviewing and which of those paths is a more virtuous and noble one. The idea of like are you my trainee or are you my replacement? It just feels like a really smart premise to orient a show around and they're great. They're great. They're great. They just seem like wonderful together. So, that's – when you have a core duo that's going to carry the show. Yeah. There's – you can get away with a lot of other things. How the other aspects of the plot and cast like are ultimately able to measure up to maybe what they are bringing on that chemistry front, we'll have to see. Yeah, I'm still a little worried because I've heard from a couple people who've watched screeners. I haven't watched screeners. That it's like – the phrase, Taylor Sheridan was thrown out a couple times and that's just like not – But to me, that's praise. But that's just not for me. And so, I'm just hoping this other aspect will be enough to carry me through perhaps a part of the show that is not for me. I think there's definitely a little of the Taylor Sheridan in terms of like, you know, small town, not Texas or Montana, but Nebraska in this case. And that cowboy energy, you know, people on horses, et cetera. That's definitely there. I think there is also, as you know, people were talking about with the original trailer, like a little bit of the true detective energy. There's the investigation. They're hitting a couple of those different beats. But there's also the Green Lantern's comic energy, you know. And that was really fun to see showcased in the new trailer that we got and the clips. Oh, yeah. It's like seeing Sinestro there. Yeah, Sinestro, the different uses of the ring and getting a glimpse of Hal in the suit. Yeah, I'd be curious to see what the balance is over a full eight-episode season of that, more, you know, lore-driven, comic book-y, mythology-centric aspect of Lanterns and the Guardians, et cetera, and how much of it is rooted in investigating a crime in small town USA and how those two things marry together. My hope is that if the core dynamic is compelling enough, the alchemy kind of clicks into place. So we'll see. I easily could have had Lanterns as number one. I'm really hyped for it. We're only a few weeks away from that, which is pretty wild. So my number two is Rings of Power. Right. So we just basically… We basically flipped that. No surprise there that we have the same number one. I think the Rings of Power season three trailer looks great. We were so hyped. It was fun to watch the trailer for the first time together in person next to each other and get to, you know, squeeze each other's arms when we saw some yearning tendrils between Galadriel and Celeborn. Galadriel. It's Galadriel here. That was also just a joy. I mean, probably should be number one just because we had the opportunity to literally say to each other, is Galadriel… Not here? Right. Because the actress was not on the panel. That was fun. And I, you know, we're, as we've talked about many times in the pod, like, we're just, I think, such genuine admirers of the thought and care that J.D. and Patrick put into the adaptation and the way they talk about the world and the story. So it was really fun to hear them talk about it. And the cast seemed, I don't know, like, they seemed really happy and excited. And the production… This show has seemed from the first second so, like, hard and in so many ways. Like, they've all had so much to deal with and so much, like, negative inbound energy coming their way. And so there was a part of me that was just, like, I don't know, kind of emotional and moved to see them getting to celebrate the thing they make in a forum like Hall H. And I was, like, happy for them and excited for them. And it looks good, which is important. Obviously, a very Sauron-centric season, which is thrilling. You know, only, like, a brief… A brief glimpse of my boyfriend, my husband, Elendil, in the trailer. So I've got a note or two about that. But I'll be patient. But you got excited because they re-showed the trailer. And every time you saw him, you were, like, there he is, very briefly. He's just unbelievably handsome, incredibly hot. We learned that Simon Pegg is voicing a Balrog. A Balrog? We have questions. Who talks. And that's just… That's an incredible sentence. And I'm delighted. It was a Mad Libs that we never thought we would say. Simon Pegg is voicing the Balrog in season three of The Rings of Power. Was that also… Because, obviously, there was a lot of… You know, there's a lot of Mount Doom talk. There's a lot of, you know, volcano, fiery Inferno talk. This was when, I believe, the term fiery Inferno was invoked. And I turned to you and I went… You know, like… And I was kind of just like, like our day. But that's not what you thought I meant. Your hand was, like, quite low. And you were like, this fiery Inferno. And I was like, is that what you were calling? Your lady garden, I suppose. And it wasn't, but it will be now. I guess so. It will be now. And then, yeah, you know, getting to sit at this very table with Patrick and JD and talk to them for just a few minutes about this adaptation and the show that they make that we love. And, you know, I don't know. That was just really wonderful to get to meet them in person. We've chatted with them a couple times on the pod via Zoom through a computer screen. And so it was fun. It was fun to get to meet in person. They're both taller than me, and that is wild. They are, but they're very tall. And they're just, they're lovely. They're angels. And they're just so thoughtful and bright. So that was really a blast. It would be number one. Lanterns would be number one. They duke it out for number one. This is a Marvel panel. Yeah. In all age. I think it's hard not to have that at the top of the list, even though there are some things to maybe discuss inside of it. Well, so it was certainly, like, the blockbuster event of the weekend. No question. There's a lot of people who, you know, we have the advantage when we come to Comic-Con of having, like, press passes for certain things. We didn't for the Marvel panel. But if you have it for other, anyway, it's a long story. But, like, there are people who had to sleep out, you know, and in a way that they haven't at Comic-Con in a really long time. Because in days of yore at Comic-Con, there would be, like, yes, the Marvel panel, but there would also be, like, a massive DC Films panel. Or, like, you know, there would be, like, you know, there was, like, a big Hunger Games sort of moment. Or, like, a Warner Brothers Harry Potter moment. You know, there would be, like, other big things. But this was, like, by far and away the biggest game in town this weekend. Like, there was nothing else really competing with it. And so it becomes this sort of, like, scarcity mentality, right? So it's not just that people are excited that Marvel's back at Hall H because when they were here two years ago they announced Robert Downey Jr. It's, like, this is going to make the Comic-Con weekend feel like a big event. Marvel always puts on a show. So there's this almost, yeah, this, like, scarcity mentality of, like, it became, like, you had to get in to the Marvel panel. Or you're, like, why did I even come here at all? With love and respect to the people who didn't get in. And we saw them outside and it was, like, horrible. Yeah. But, like, you know, again, we were scrapping for seats and stuff like that. And so there were things that were announced that I'm, like, very excited about. But there were also things that, like, for example, they led with we're re-releasing Avengers Endgame into the theaters. And we're about to show you. Endgame encore. And we're about to show you a trailer for it. Yeah. And I just leaned over the van and I said, It's just, like, footage of an old movie. Yeah. And the crowd went wild for it. And here's what's even wilder. And I'm sorry. We'll get to the stuff that I liked. But, like, I think it's insane. And I know that Feige has posted this in-theater footage before. Yeah. But I think it is insane for a movie studio that's trying to get people to come to the movie theaters to use pirated footage from inside of a movie theater to promo, come to the IMAX to see Avengers Endgame on it. Yeah. And I think it's insane. I think it's insane. I think it's insane. I think it's insane. Yeah. They use that, like, very famous footage of, like, it's actually not the hammer moment. It's the on-your-left moment. I think there were. a couple viral Avengers Endgame, but they used footage taken on someone's cell phone from inside the theater as a trailer for come to the IMAX to see Avengers Endgame Encore. I think that's insane. So that was like, there were a lot of things that I was just sort of like, I'm not sure about this, but Marvel always puts on a spectacle. This was your first experience with Marvel in Hall H. Yes. So tell me what it was like for you and what like, thrilled you about it. Quickly on the Endgame encore front before we shift to the more positive section. I mean, after you said the reheated nachos thing, I did turn to you and I said, I'll be there. I know. So I guess I have to concede that it worked a little bit, but I admire the hustle and the chutzpah when Feige's like, yeah, you know, when we put out Endgame in the first place, we basically, like, couldn't really do a trailer. The trailer just had a little, you know, it was a mood. And so, like, this is really our first chance to get to make an Endgame trailer. Master spin job to justify all of that. It was insane. Indeed. And they're like, you can see this one on IMAX. You can't say, you can't say. I know. But even that, they flashed the IMAX so fast before going to the Infinity Vision, which was pretty funny. Like you said, that kind of kicked things off. And so we, we didn't know yet if we would see anything else that, looked good or exciting or what the overall reception in the room would be. And so I had this thought in real time that it felt to me like, um, very risky in a, okay, I have like a micro penis. Let's watch porn to get you in the mood. And here's like a huge cock. Oh, remember Endgame? Yeah. Remember how much you loved Endgame? You guys are screaming in the theater for it. I'm going to show you footage of that. It's like, are you achieving the thing that you think you're achieving by reminding someone, showing people what else they can have? I don't know. Anyway. Do you remember we were, we were interviewed earlier today and the guy who interviewed us told us he had his dick shield up. I'm going to start using that. Dick shield up was great. Dick shield up. If I could not. On your micro penis analogy at nine o'clock at night on the last day of San Diego Comic-Con. Love and respect to anyone with micro penis. It's just, you know. Dick shield up. Dick shield up. What was the, why did that? Because you made a dick joke. When don't you? You can't take me anywhere. We literally just met him. All right. So they start just reheating nachos and then when do they? Oh God. Um, so yes, this was my first, my first Marvel Hall H ever. And you know what? I was excited and I was getting very scared and anxious. I was like, I'm going to do this. I'm going to do this. I'm anxious that we weren't going to be able to go. And I would have been really sad not to have the experience. So now I feel like I have, um, you know, undergone some sort of like nerd right of passage by being in Hall H for a Marvel panel. It was fun. I felt incredibly fortunate that I got to end up sitting with, with you and Van. Our beloved Jess Clemons somehow ended up in the same row with us. So that was a real treat. So that was really fun. North pole, Santa and his elves are swamped with requests for vehicle floor liners. 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Plus with more than 300 band food ingredients storewide, you know, it's quality you can trust shop Thanksgiving favorites with higher standards at Whole Foods Market prime members shop at wfm.com and get your first order over $25 delivered free terms apply. We, we have a few things to talk about that we saw there. Ghost rider. The, uh, I mean the iconic knit polo that John Barenthal was wearing, but also the Spider-Man brand new day footage. But honestly, I actually, if you're like, Joanna, name your top three things from the Marvel panel. Yeah. The fit. It's number three, the Spider-Man brand new day footage that we saw. Yeah. Which we can talk about. Number two, the Spider-Man brand new day footage that we saw. Number two, Kelsey Grammer walked really, really close to me, like right by me. Yeah. Kelsey Grammer is a person I don't care for, but Frazier is very important to me. And last night at dinner, I was talking about Kelsey Grammer being here. Yeah. And then, so he walked right by me and then, um, John Barenthal's outfit. It looked, he, that was the best fit of the entire con. He looked incredible. Yeah. Uh, he's wearing like a knit polo and some like tucked in, tucked into some wide leg pants. And he was wearing, and it was like very, you know, it was like very superhero, you know, it was like a deep maroon and a blue. It was like very superhero colors, but like elevated. And he's got like the long hair right now. And you did scream out Wayne Jenkins in a way that, in the way that no one around us had any idea what you were talking about. Someone had to. And Chris Ryan wasn't here. So I stepped up and from the very back of Holly and shouted, let's talk quickly about Ghost Rider. Let's talk about the little Spidey glimpse. Of course, we'll talk about the Black Panther news and we will talk about Doomsday. Ghost Rider. Hyped? Tell me about your hype. So we very recently talked about Ghost Rider when we covered the Punisher special, right? I think it did our list of what would make a great one. One hour Marvel spotlight. I think I, because I had, I threw that out as a nomination. I think I conceded in real time. Obviously they're going to do this as a movie, but that would be maybe a fun way to like bring the character back into, or into the MCU, into this, you know, incarnation of Marvel. And then we can do a movie after. You know, I'm not going to complain about a Ryan Gosling Ghost Rider movie. People in the room were incredibly hyped. They were screaming. They were going nuts when the, the Ghost Rider logo popped up on the screen. Van was like, let's go. Yeah. He was hyped. So it seems like people are excited, which is fun. When people are excited about Marvel properties, that's, that's great. That's increasingly rare. So I look forward to that. We learned nothing about the movie other than that Gosling is the star and that Sean Levy is directing it. That's it. That's all we got. And we got a 2020 release date. So we know it's coming post Secret Wars. Yeah. I hope it's good. It feels soon. Yeah. Yeah. And you were like, but what, but what phase are we in? But what phase is this? And I was like, I don't think we're doing phases anymore, baby. I think that's over. It's wild that we're so close to the end of that. But I mean, probably, probably welcome news. I could be wrong. Spidey. So Barenthal came out. He and Feige did a little bit, you know, they did a little, a little theater, but we've rehearsed this many times kind of thing. It was like, person next to me was like, do you think they've rehearsed? I think they have. I think they have. Oh, sweet. Sweet little child. And that clip, that Spider-Man clip fucking ruled. It ripped. It was so good. It was Spidey and the Punisher fighting the Hulk. Incredible stuff. And then there's like one of those like clear splash page moments. And, you know, like I'm not like the oldest school, like comic book nerd you've ever met. But like, you know, when you hear people who have been reading me since they were like tiny, tiny children and they're like, oh, my God, I'm like, to see Hulk and Spidey and Punisher sort of like in this like Holy Trinity sort of pose fight moment. Yeah, that was awesome. It looks like to those people, they're like, it's like seeing God. And I'm just like, even I was like, this is fucking sick. Like, it was really cool. And they're like, and the, the banter between Holland and Bernthal was really fun. And like, delightful. We don't know what's going on with Hulk in that scene and we'll find out. But like, we're right on the verge of seeing Spider-Man. I mean, we're mere days away, which is we're going to see it very soon. But like that, that footage was awesome. The scene was incredible. I, uh, the bad babies. No, you know, I, I love, uh, I love Bernthal's Frank Castle and been excited since the first glimpse to see him in this context, which is quite distinct from his typical, uh, blowing every head in sight off of everybody in sight with the spray bullets. But he was firing a machine gun. There were like at least a hundred bullets were spent in that scene. There were quite a few bullets. That was a surprise. But yeah, I think even when he was, you know, very prominently featured in one of the trailers, we still had the question of, like, how much is he actually in this movie? This made me think he's, like, in the movie. Was it this or was it the Hot Ones where Holland and Bernthal did it together? So, we haven't talked about this yet. Thanks for bringing this up. Yeah, puke shields up. Puke shields up. Dick shields up. Hopefully, they're still up. Puke shields up. Tom Holland puked on Hot Ones. That's, like, that's not a thing that really happens, but it feels like it should happen all the time. Absolutely. Maybe it does, but he's the only one who was, like, brave enough to say it. Who, like, copped to it. Yeah. You don't have to cut that out. I don't mind. This will be a big internet moment. How far would you get on Hot Ones? I tried to post this to the group at our team dinner the other night. Oh, well, we went to, like, a delicious team dinner that Aaliyah picked. Shout out Aaliyah. Aaliyah picked an incredible restaurant in San Diego. If anybody listening to this or watching this has the chance to be guided through a meal by Aaliyah one day, the confidence with which she ordered to a very high level, I've never seen two of everything and then sometimes three more of everything. It was amazing. It was fantastic. The dinner was incredible. It was fantastic. One of the best meals of my life. But I was eating what I thought was a fairly spicy dish, and I was at the table, and I was, like— You got roasted. I got pretty toasted. So I'm going to say not far on Hot Ones. I'm going to say I'll be out right at the jump. Everyone laughed at me. First wing, right at the jump? There were, like, what are those called? Bird's-eye chilies on that? On that pork chop? Come on. You're way too stubborn to go out on wing number one. As a matter of principle, you wouldn't allow it. I actually think my lips would betray me first because they get, like, chapped almost— I mean, same. They can get chapped really easily, and I feel like the burning of the hot wing would just sort of— All right, I've got an idea for you. What's that? You told me once that you had a mango, and it made your lips really numb. It did. Have a mango first. But, like, numb in a disturbing way. Okay, anyway. We're off topic. Let's get back on topic. Spidey, we can't wait, and it comes out next week, and it's going to be great. It's going to be great. They didn't— There was no, this movie's about to come out, we're going to tell you something massive about it. That's not a thing that happened. We learned nothing new, no. But it looks great. We're excited. Great clip. Great fit. It was a great fit. Should we talk next about the Black Panther news and hit Doomsday Last? I'd like to go back in time and rewrite my top three moments because, honestly, David Johnson being cast is my number one moment. It was incredible. It was emotional. And, like, it's— It's really fun. They do this, like, they do this fun coy thing where they, like, try to, you know, they're like, sometimes filmmakers leave Marvel and come back, and sometimes they've earned Oscars, and you're like, okay, Ryan Coogler's coming. Yeah. So Ryan Coogler comes out. Or, like, you know, Ryan Gosling's here. He's playing Johnny Blaze or whatever. He's like— And another film that he did recently with Starfighter, and we're like, oh, Sean Levy's directing this. You know, like, he's about to bring Sean Levy out. You know, they're, like, laying breadcrumbs, and we in the audience get to guess what's coming next or whatever. Yeah. But, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Then they were, like, Alien Romulus. Yes. They did not say industry. No. Though they did. Industry is in the press release, thankfully. Okay. Thank God. But, yeah. They were, like, Long Walk, Alien Romulus, and we're like, David Johnson, are you kidding? And then David Johnson came out. It was really exciting. He's so good. He's amazing. It's such a cool pick. It's obviously, like, it's obvious that he's been lifting. Yeah, sure. Like, he's known for a little while that he's playing T'Challa Jr., which is what they're calling him in the press release. So there you go. Right. So T'Challa's son. Yes. So some amount of time. I have a lot of questions because David Johnson's not, like, a teenager. Yeah, will pass in the fictional universe. Will that be, we were talking about this with Van after the panel, will that be triggered by the events to come and, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, some sort of, like. Secret wars. Yeah. Possibly. Timey-wimey thing. Because it doesn't, it does not line up. Well, who's to say? Who's to say? Who's to say? But it would have to be, how old is he in Black Panther 2? I mean, very young. Very. No, I know. But, like, so would it, it would be, like, over 20 years. Yeah. Yeah. And that would be wild if that's happening. So there has to be some sort of time shenanigans going on. Timey-wimey. I would guess. Timey-wimey. So, first of all, Black Panther 3. Oh, yeah, Black Panther 3 is happening. Officially happening. Yeah. Announced. We got the logo. We got a date. So that's also coming out in 2028. So not that far away, which is exciting. Coogler, honestly could not be cooler, pulls out a film strip. A film strip from his pocket? Yeah. To say that he's making it on film, that it's going to be a large format, you know, see it in theaters. That was awesome. That was way better than we're putting Avengers Endgame back at IMAX. Ryan Coogler bringing out the celluloid strip. That would have been incredible, frankly, at any point in time. It's a particularly rich and potent moment to do that because everybody is so high on going to see the Odyssey in theaters. Well, not just the Odyssey, but, like, the X-Files announcement. But, like, when he did Sinners last year and he did, like, all of those sort of, like, this is what this format, you know, his whole, like, basically TED Talk presentation on the various films, you know, so for him to bring out some celluloid was incredible. And it was very, like, this is for the film bros. Yes, for sure. Because it's sort of, like, we're putting it in large format and we got David Johnson, who's, like, a young actor that, like, you know, the film snobs amongst us are, like, he's the guy. Dick Shields up for CR and fantasy tonight, you know, with this news. I guess so. I. Don't think you should be allowed to use it. Maybe we'll retire it. I think I get to use it and you don't. Okay, fair enough. I love David Johnson. Dick Shields up. This is for, like you said, Letterboxdive rise. Dick Shields up. That's not what that means. It can mean anything you want it to mean. Absolutely not. Absolutely not. He used it to mean something very specific, which is you're making a dick choke. I don't really like it. Dick Shields up. He was amazingly good in Alien Romulus. Fantastic. Just sensational. And, like, a very tender and nuanced and empathetic performance. He's, you know, incredibly sarcastic and raw and almost, like, acidicly witty and superior in industry. So, you know, he's given us so much already in his performances. And he was so. It was, you know, only a moment on stage after he was introduced, but he was. He was tasked with coming out and sort of, like, making sure that everyone understood that they were, like, really trying to honor. Yes. He was very sincere and grateful for the opportunity. So it was just really cool. It was really cool to be in the room for that. It was a lovely moment. Yeah. I would say maybe less emotional, but also a thing that happened in the room. A bunch of big, big satchels. So, like, a, you know, Santa Claus bag passed around and everybody got the aforementioned Doom gear. Some people got three, I guess. Now some people have zero. And let's hit Doomsday. So a couple things happened. Some of which were really fun and exciting. Some of which were just, frankly, super weird. I thought the Doomsday experience was kind of, like, a bit of a balance. Uh-huh. Some, oh, yeah, let's fucking go. And some, who thought this was a good idea? So. We were in the back. We were in the back. And. Multiple members of the cast were revealed as though they were in Clara and the Sun. I was gonna say, like, a classic car. A classic car showroom sort of situation. Curtains peel back. Yeah. And they're just standing there for us to gawk at them. And it was like, oh, you're in the back, but you get to be really close to the stars. This is cool. And guess what? Everyone went crazy. And it was fun. It was cool. Pulled out our cameras from taking pictures, taking videos. It was neat. And then Kelsey Grammer. But then they just. Yeah. But then they just stayed there for so long. Yeah, while Downey was, like, doing some bits. And they just had to, like, stand there on their. There was an X-Men stage and an Avengers stage. Kind of our. I guess not arbitrary. I don't know. It was, like, an odd division of people. But they. But, yeah, they just had to stand there and sort of smile. And there was, like, very minimal security around them. I was like, is someone gonna protect these people? They're right. They're just standing right there. Yeah. No one attacked them. They were too busy stealing doom masks. But, um. Um. Yeah, and then Downey comes out and does his Downey shit. The Downey shit did not work for me at all. You didn't like it? No. I was having a blast. It did not work for me. He is. Now, I still. And until. Unless and until we see the movie and it is fantastic. Yeah. I will continue to say that this is, like, potentially one of the most nakedly craven decisions and creatively bankrupt decisions in the history of. I think Downey would be great as Doom. That's not really the question. The question of whether there's no new way to make a good Marvel movie is the question. But I'm sure he'll be entertaining. The fact that he is so tuned in and attuned to the assignment and that he is so elevated and hyped and hamming it up to the, like, order of magnitude that can't even be quantified, I find. That's kind of compelling. Like, he's just, like, he loves the shtick and he knows what the people in the room want and he's happy to give it to them. So that was fun for me to get to experience in person for the first time. I found that to be actually pretty entertaining. I thought it was really funny that he, like, started to do the accent and then sort of, like, backed off the accent. Yeah. Where he was like, maybe I don't want to do it live, actually. I loved it. Okay, great. I loved it. Great. You know what we didn't love? That Chris Evans was there and didn't speak one word. So a hand. Everybody eventually. got to go up on stage. And we should say, there were tons It was a ton of people. It was like 16 main cast members or something like that. There were definitely fewer members of the Doomsday cast there than were like rumored to be. There was not every single person who's going to be in the movie. It was supposed to be like every single person or like at least 30 people or something like that. Yeah. But it was just sort of like a smattering. Yes. Like Lawrence Pugh wasn't there. There were like some major people who were not there. Yeah, for sure. You know? A handful of very prominent primary figures were brought on stage initially before everybody else got to walk up and through. Mm-hmm. So Pedro Pascal was definitely most prominently featured other than Downey. And we'll talk about the glimpse of the film we saw in a second, but it was incredibly Fantastic Four-centric in a way that canonically obviously makes sense given the character ties to Doom. So Pedro Reed Richards right there, he didn't like really – he wasn't leading and basically emceeing this stretch of the event like Downey was, but he was in every camera shot, right? He was there. Well, he was just right over Downey's shoulder. Yes. So every time the camera's on Downey, Pedro Pascal was there. And Pedro is just like right there as well. Yeah. Chris Evans was one of the people who was called out. He literally did not – He had a microphone. He did not talk. Talk. Not a single question was asked of him. Hayley Atwell got to say something. Mackie did not get to say anything. Anthony Mackie did not get to say anything. It was like basically Paul Rudd, Downey, Pedro. Possibly Ryan Reynolds? I actually think it was – I don't know. We're still trying to figure out whether or not that actually was Ryan Reynolds in the suit. Allegedly he's posted – I don't know. I'm too sleep deprived to really get to the bottom of it and I don't want to like say the wrong thing. We need your forensic analysis of – I couldn't find the source photo. It could be AI, but it seems like maybe Ryan Reynolds was here despite the fact that I guess he told Apple he couldn't be here for their panel. But yeah, he's here for the Marvel panel maybe. So yeah, that was fun. That was cool. It was a very entertaining little amusing little Deadpool bit. It's really weird to have Chris Evans. Steve Rogers was just like there. To not have him engage with the audience at all. Like no one tossed to him at all. It was very strange. Bizarre. Bizarre. We got to see a new – I hope Chris enjoyed his trip to San Diego. It's lovely here. It's lovely here. I hope he got to have dinner with Aaliyah and enjoy one of the most beautiful meals of his life. Okay. We got to see a new bit of footage. Yeah. A new – It was better. Way better than the trailer that they've released. It's not even close. Yeah. I'm not saying I thought it – It looked great. Yeah. You weren't like, we're back. No. I would not say your face was giving, we're back. After you saw Van and I were like, ah! And you were like, guys, chill. I think the way that they tried to like bring a human emotional connection between Reed and Doom and just sort of like this is a relationship. Yeah. It seemed like they were trying to do like a little bit of like a Civil War thing or whatever, but without – having done the groundwork of like Tony and Steve have been in other movies together. So, here's my take. I think that there is a version of Doomsday that is actually just – I mean, it's obviously not going to be this, to be clear, but just the first Doom movie in the MCU that could be a really good movie. And this trailer felt like that. Obviously, we still got glimpses of various X-Men and other characters. It wasn't like it was exclusive. It wasn't like it was exclusively Sue and Reed and Johnny. But something that is ultimately more focused around a handful of characters who have a really unified story and a dynamic and then the other characters being brought in to fight the threat might be a path to achieving a coherent, cogent film. The trailer we got last week was not that. It was we are going to give you a ladle full – and then another ladle full and another ladle full of your nostalgia. Right. And you're like, I'm full. And they're like, too bad. Here's more. Here's more. They want us to be Odysseus' men and Cersei's hot. And they're like, you love Magneto. Here's Magneto. I do love Magneto. It's Cyclops. Here he is. I do love Magneto. Yeah. No, I thought that there's a moment in the footage that they showed us where Doom sort of just like flicks Thor away like he's a fly. Yeah, that was great. That's effective storytelling. That's something that they love to do. They're like, look, you think this guy is big and strong. This is what Thanos can do to him or whatever. This is what Doom can do to him. And then he raises the sentinels. That was very cool. And even just seeing him lounging on the throne, the aura that he was exuding, that made me hyped. I just don't think they're beating the like, this looks like it was shot in the shitty volume allegations. Normal you hear me claim that they are. Because Thor and Victor are like fighting on like a, you know, foggy, soupy – Yeah, foggy, sort of netherworld space. Yes. And so that's still, I think, looks bad to me. It visually looked horrible. Thank you. Okay. The mood. Yeah. The attitude that Downey was giving us and the kind of lounge and the posture made me excited to see his version of Doom. Honestly, that was the most excited I had felt to see his version of Doom. Yeah. Me too. This is actually just because I need glasses, but when they showed the poster, and I thought at the end it said Doomed, and I was like, sick tagline. And I realized it just said Doomsday, and I just can't see. So that's tough, but – You should call Marvel. Doomed? That would be sick. Hashtag Doomed. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. But I just need to go to the eye doctor, so yeah. They put that countdown clock back up. It was up there. They did, yeah. The heart palpitations when I see that four-month thing are, again, less about, boy, that's really soon to talk about Doomsday and more, where has this year gone? I don't get it. I just don't get it. But we get to see Doomsday. We get to see Doomed Part 3 that same day. I'm not worried about Doomsday right now because I can't think that far ahead. Spider-Man's right around the corner. I'm excited for that. Vision's right around the corner. Let me ask you this, not to end on a sour note, but what did you make of the, like, but we're not here to talk about TV kind of framing? I thought it was less that and more just sort of like – because I think they are going to do some TV stuff at D23, which is very soon, and so they're just sort of like, this is a Marvel movie. They started with, like, the comics, you know, Passing of the Torch at Marvel Comics, you know what I mean? And that really surprised me. It's like, you've been waiting 12 hours. We're about to do some admin and talk about who's in charge of Marvel. Marvel Comics matters. This is so funny. Feige was like, we would not be here without the comics. And I'm like, pay those writers then if you're going to make that claim, Kevin Feige. Anyway, it's my number one because, like, you can't deny the pageantry of having James Marsden walk that close to you inside of Hall H. Or David Harbour. Or David – It tastes very – You know? And you can't – and just sort of the experience of all these nerds who waited – It was great. A day or eight hours or, in our case, it was, like, over three hours that we were inside there, just sort of, like, crammed in there trying to make it. And so, light work compared to whatever – the other hours everyone else is putting into it. But, like, then everyone just screams because they're like, we've waited all day or all weekend or all year for this. And that's lovely. It's lovely to be a part of. It was cool. So many people put on their doom masks and their little cloaks. It was great. Most people did. Most people did. Yeah, not us. We were really far back, so I don't think we would have been visible on the selfie. You could have if you wanted to. It's too sweaty. Okay. Yeah. But I will – I will right now. I will right now because I'm a very good person and wasn't allowed to start a fight. So, you know. All right. So, Marvel somehow still at the top. My God. Unbelievable. Somehow, Robert Downey Jr. returned. There you go. Learn from the best. Learn from Palpy himself. What a treat. What a treat to be back here this year. San Diego Comic-Con. When will we be back in – what year is next year? 2027? What do you think? That is way too soon to – sorry. Deepen in. It is way too soon to make that choice. Again, I can still smell the nacho cheese in my clothing. Thank you to all of the bad babies, all of the Midnight Riders. Who came to the meetup, who came to the panel, who just said hi around the convention center, around San Diego. It was so wonderful. A whale's vagina? No? Okay. A little round burgundy, a little anchorman? I don't like anchorman. Let's end on a positive. You don't like anchorman? Yeah. The first one? Yes. I'm astounded and appalled that this is not only the end of this episode. It might be the end of something deeper. Oh, no. Our friendship. Never. We also went to the Lestat panel. That's right. That was also a little bit of reheated nachos. Yeah. That was fun. I accidentally attended the Walking Dead panel as well. You did. Which was interesting. But yeah, Queen of the Damned. That was thrilling. Yeah. What else did we see? I was just trying to end on an up note and not me hating on – Shitting on Anchorman, a classic. Hating on a movie that everyone else in the world loves. Cold Stone classic. Listen, we all have our tastes. Yeah. We got to see Sam Reed singing in a vest. Footage of him, not a person to be clear. But that was great. All right. Maybe we'll see. We'll see you in San Diego next year. We'll definitely see you on the feed very soon. Talk to Thrones, the House of R deep dive on House of the Dragon. Spider-Man brand new day pod coming in just a few days as well. So follow House of R on Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. Ring reverse YouTube channel, at House of R pod or out House of R pod. Don't encourage it. Which is thriving. A lot of new posts on there. Don't follow out House of R. Ha, ha, ha. Thank you so much to everyone, especially the folks who are here in the room with us. 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