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152: Comedy Puppy Mill with Rich Aronovitch | Soder Podcast | BONUS

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152: Comedy Puppy Mill with Rich Aronovitch | Soder Podcast | BONUS

The podcast host discusses upcoming live performances at Hartford Funnybone and Kuzatas, emphasizing accessibility through dancota.com. Central to the conversation is a reflection on fatherhood, where the host shares how losing a fight to his son has reshaped his role in the family, shifting from authority to a need for soft parenting and mutual respect. The discussion then shifts to the chaotic, often exploitative world of stand-up comedy in New York, where clubs operate like "puppy mills," using deceptive marketing and hostile crowds to manipulate attendance. The host recounts stories of questionable audience behavior, such as heckling and audience members who don’t speak English, and describes how comedians like Joe List and Nate Bargette were shaped by these environments—sometimes thriving, sometimes breaking down. A humorous anecdote about prom shows in the 2000s, where comedians performed after high school parties under the influence, adds a nostalgic yet critical layer. The host also reflects on comedy’s deeper culture, including the danger of joke theft, the influence of personal relationships, and the contrast between professional success and the grind of early career struggles. Ultimately, the narrative blends personal experience with industry critique, offering insight into both family dynamics and the often-unseen challenges of live comedy.

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Hey, everybody. Thanks for watching the podcast. I am on the road building this new hour. I also last podcast I think I screwed up. I am at the Hartford Funnybone September 18th and 19th only. Friday and Saturday only four shows Hartford Funnybone tickets at dancota.com. Then in October, I'm going to be at Kuzatas in Albuquerque. That's Friday and Saturday, the second and the third of October. Kuzatas in Albuquerque. If I'm saying that wrong, I'll probably punch myself in the balls later when I find out. But dancota.com for all dates. Thanks for watching the podcast and I hope you're doing all right. We just start recording and I'm interested in this. So let's fucking get into it. How old are you? I know you're not supposed to ask a woman or age. I'm not supposed to ask a woman or age. Is it recording? Yeah. I'm not telling you my age. I'll then cover the mic and then we'll record. You're old. Yeah. Yeah. You're old. So that's why your shoulder hurts. Yeah. You can't do physical shit anymore. I have two young kids. How young? Two and five. Oh, brother. You got to do a lot of lifting all day every day, baby. This is not the problem. It's just when I like this this motion. Yeah. 15 seconds of debilitating fire. Like, did you lose it in front of your kid? Oh, I've lost them in front of my kid. I mean, when you threw it, you're like, ah, then your kid's like, why is dad? Why is, why is papa so weak? Why is my papa so weak? Yeah. Why is my, why is my papa so Zeta? Yeah. Oh, what a bitch. Yeah. That's so funny. Hey, beta, bro. I'm the dad now. Yeah. I'm the dad now. No. I don't, I think I did, but I don't think he noticed because he was too busy like, like, you know, spasm. Yeah. He was, he was all over. Are you, so you have two kids, two boys or two boys? Two boys. So the thing about, what we're talking about about them, calling you like a beta or whatever. Do you know the thing about, like, this is always a dynamic I found interesting about if it's like, if you lose a fist fight to your son when he's a teenager, he then, yeah, kind of becomes the alpha of the house. I'm interested about that. Like, if you fought your son and he lost and then you're just like, even if I lost. Yeah. Like, let's say you're, we're talking about, so your shoulders weigh worse now. This is like, well, this is like, we're talking years, 13 years from now. Okay. 13 years from now. Yeah. And he's 17 or something 18 comes home drunk and you're like, what are you being? Or whatever the thing is then, you know, it's like to be true. Yeah. Yeah. Whatever the fuck they're going to be sniffing chips. Yeah. I did a Rayla Lays BBQ. Yeah. Yeah. And he comes home high on chips. Chipped out. Chip that, dude, totally, you could see the Cheetos under his nose that orange dust. Yeah. He looks like that, that your life is crying and you're like, like, what did you do, your mother? Yeah. And then he gets into it and you guys square up at the next thing you know, metal taste in your mouth. You're picking yourself up off the ground. How do you go about that? First, I get rid of the braces. Second. Yeah. How do I go? That's, that's a, like, imagine that because you go like, like, yeah, but then you go, like rubbing your chin and being like, go to your room. Yeah. But then you go, okay, cool. So you better figure out how to feed yourself because ultimately I have all the power. Good. You want to be how you get the power. Yeah. Oh, you want to live? You know what you do and I work and get out of my house. Exactly. That's for the change. And I'm not a father. I can't speak on this. I haven't been through this. But if you're a dad at home and you lose a fight to your kid, you got to kick him out. You got to change a lot. You have to remove them. You can't, you know, immediately go. It was nice being your father. Yeah. And you're done. You're out. You can't go, your whole life sitting with your back to the wall, like facing the door, like an old sheriff. You have to, like, kick him out. You have to remove. Yeah. That's where, like, this is where the soft parenting have to come in. Hey, buddy, it hurts me more than it hurts you. Hey, bud. Yeah. You knocked the shit out of me back there. Yeah. Hey, buddy. You know what? You're going into this room to have one of those talks after you just absolutely one, two, one. Yeah. Yeah. And then you're like, hey, bud, first off, I want to say that right hook's really coming along. Yeah. Yeah. And he's just Tyson, like, yeah, he's just like, that's what you said. Yeah. You were a little girly noises. But now Tyson. Tyson's like, now he's like old. So he does the like, yeah, he does, he does a little more of this. I do want the shirt, you know, Keith. Keith. Have you seen the one with my Tyson? I said, Keith, I want that shirt. I want that shirt bad. I'm going to buy that after we do it. I bet it's I bet it's on pimps. Shed say yes. He knows about fashion. It's a lot. Why? Why? That might be my treat to myself after I filmed the special Mike Tyson. When? If the holding two pigeons do hold two pigeons. They're all the kids. I told Shanie she get into pigeons. I told them that should be his thing. Kill us. Yeah. When he moves back here, just have a whole thing on the roof. Where he's like, you don't understand about pigeons. What I love about them is that they always return. Yeah. You got to understand something about pigeons. It's so loyal. Yeah. When he pets them and they're like, yeah. Do you got to understand? Do you know, I was in the morning. I was walking my kid as you do when they don't sleep. I walk, I walk my hairy ass bitch, dude. Yeah. There's like five in the morning and a van pulled up with a huge net and captured. I would say 30 pigeons. That's what those that's for experiments. Is that what that is? That's for experiments. Dude who's so creepy. I was like, I yelled like, hey, like what was I gonna do? And also it's pigeons. It's pigeons. There you go. You're little rats with wings. Yeah. You gotta go. We don't respect you. I think we would change. Yeah. I want to love an animal. Yeah. It's like not answering a text to a guy that owes you money. You go, I don't feel bad. You don't need money. And you're kind of reshaded. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Answered. Right. Yeah. That is. Oh, do you ever get the like the guys that are filled with motives are always like, you need an opener? Oh, yeah. So then when they text you, you're like, oh, that's the business, baby. That's the business. But that doesn't it? I just try to this I've worked on in therapy for 14 years. Boundaries. Yes. Which sometimes it sends people. Yes. That's okay. That's it. Oh, you're really doing it. Yeah. I really do. I really have like, I used to be such a boundaryless slut. Oh, yeah. That you could just come into my life and be like, give me that and I'd go, will you like me more? Yeah. I'm a people please. Yeah. That was probably my biggest regret of my 20s was how much of a people pleaser I was. How much of a like, oh, if I do this, you're talking to us and we stayed at Ha. Yeah. Dog. Ha. Comedy. Are you kidding me? Holy shit. That was so mean to everybody. I know what I was like, but I get seven shows a night. That's what it was. But you know what? In your defense, I did that with, um, remember the world next to Broadway? Do you remember that era where they had the showroom that guy Aaron ran it? We'll edit that out. I'm sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Because we were about to talk. Yeah. Yeah. We'll just do it a minute. Yep. Yeah. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. One of those things which shows. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I see full legal names all the time on this shit. That's the mastery of editing. Um, that was like, Ha, that was a little bit better version of Ha. So to explain to people that don't know, there is a level of hell in comedy in New York City that is ran by people who truly do not care about the art form or the people trying to do it. They don't care about stand up. They are literally running a puppy mill of a stand up comedy. It is a puppy mill. It is like, dude, I remember. Can I just give you the best example of what you're talking about? Yeah. I was getting a heckler. We're gonna talk about the depths of hell. The depths of hell. So they used to, they had to, they begged the people to come in. They didn't, they're all barked. We're talking about clubs that are barked. Yeah, they literally barked. And if you don't know what barking is, if you visit New York City. I'll give you an example. Hey guys, we had a great comedy show tonight. We got Robin Williams, Joan Rivers, and um, they lie, lie, lie. Yeah. And, and Jerry Lewis comes to the show. And I've had Lewis on who did that. And I've like explained, I've, you know, I've explained. Lewis is different. He's a hustler who cared about the art form. That is true, but he lied still. Oh, yeah. But he did, yeah. I agree with you on that. I mean, Skank Fest is in the Bahamas this year. Yeah. It's what? It's fire festivals. It's in that same location. They're saying it's New Orleans. It's not. It's not in New Orleans. It's actually not. I'm kidding. It's in New Orleans. It's great. I've never, I want to do it. But I don't know. I, you know what I think happened. And we'll go back to the second. I was on a cruise where I was, I was touring with Ed at this out. Uh, it actually doesn't matter. Jim Brewer at the time. Mm-hmm. And before he kind of got a little wacky. Sure. I know that everyone was left alone too long. Yeah. Yeah. Before exactly. He was left alone too long. And then all of a sudden, so many conversations. So many comics got left alone too long. You were, oh, shit. Yeah. Have you ever left, have you ever left, like, milk or ranch out of the refrigerator by accident? That's what COVID did to a lot of people. That's my thing. And then the kitchen, you go, I left the fucking, I can't have that at all. Yeah. Yeah. And I love Jim. And I still love Jim. Yeah. But he has like, he's like, are those clouds? Are all those inner, like, I'll come to you, Jim. So, um, so before this, like, when he was just super friendly and we were out, we did, um, ship rocked and he brought me on. And then these guys, before they blew up, were like podcasting and someone. I'm not a big J Lewis Dave. Yes. And I was on a podcast with them and someone I won't say who me made an age joke. And one of these musicians, brother had died of AIDS, walked up and thought it was big J and through wine in his face. - Oh my God, you're the reason that three doors down or three days grace and the Legion of Skanks hate each other? - Yes. - I'm the one about that. I was very public in that beef. We were on the bonfire, like you'll fault three days. - Yeah. - You can get through three doors now. Is the three doors now and three days grace? - It's some monkey-looking, basis guy. - I got it, I wanna text Jay, 'cause we talked about it a lot. - Dude, they all went, we're not dead of that out. - They all went to fight. - That was 'cause of you? - Well, but he thought it was Jay who said it, and it was me, I made some eights joke. And then I was like, I can't fight 'cause I can't get to make Jim look bad. - Sure. - I can't fight 'cause I, yeah, I'm not that thing. - It was three days grace. - And then three, I'm like, but there's a show going on in an audience, so I was like, I can't podcasting by myself. - Oh, that's so funny while the fight happened. - So I think that this is maybe in my mind 'cause I'm a mind reader and it's never good, but I'm like, that must have been the day that I like, fuck that guy. - Yeah. - He should have fought with us. - I could understand. - Oh, fought with him? - Yeah, then it's more Skanks mentality. - Yeah, that should have been, I should have been, you should have thrown down. - Yes, yes. And I was like, and I was like, I love these guys and I've known them for a long time, but like, I can't, I can't get Jim in trouble. - I tell you, that's probably why it is. - Yeah, and I understand that. And I think, I think if you gave that clarity to Lewis that you were like, dude, I was pretty much a guest of another guy on the boat and I didn't want it. - This is so many years ago, do you know how crazy it would be to be like, listen, something's been bothering me. - There was stuff I brought up to Lewis from like 2009. - Oh, we're good then. - Yeah. - I'm gonna call him after this. - Yeah, Lewis will be like, doggy, don't worry about it. It was fucking hilarious. Come on, Skanks, talk about it. Like, I'll come on, go on real-ass podcast and tell them, I think, I would do it. - Because I will tell you that is why I love Lewis so much. Because he is my one friend that I have zero doubt that if shit went down, I would look behind me and Lewis would be ready to fight. - Of course. - Like, without even hesitating, I go, "Well, Lewis is behind me." In fact, a lot of cases like Nate's joke that he did on Conan. A lot of times you have to stop Lewis from fighting everybody. - Yeah. - That's the problem. It's not, will he get my back? It's, oh, he's in the front and he's leading and he's punching people that have no involvement in the situation. - Lewis, the guy just cut me off in Starbucks and realized I was in line. - Dude, I have been in so many goddamn situations where all of a sudden, Lewis will go, "This fucking guy, you go, what?" - Yeah. - Yeah, you don't look down at your phone for a second, you go, "Who are you fighting?" - He's literally like, when you're in traffic and you look down and then all of a sudden, all the cars like, "Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah." - Yeah, Lewis is in it. - But he's the man, I fucking love that guy more than I want to a lot of the times. - Yeah, it's annoying how much you like him. - I love him. I just, I fucking, you know what? He'll like, have me mad and he talked, we talked about this on the regs. He'll have me mad to the point where he'll know I'm mad and he'll call me and within three minutes, I'm fine. He's like, "What are you fucking?" We just like, the phone, the phone answers and we go like, boom! And then he goes like, "No, why are you mad?" And you're like, "Oh, yeah, I'm not mad." It's so funny. It's so funny that I know when I'm mad at Lewis that within three minutes, I'm not gonna be mad. And then I go like, "It's like being angry." You know when you're no, you're angry, and you go, "I'm angry." I'm not like this 'cause I need to eat. And then you eat and you go, "Oh, fuck, I'm sorry." He's also like, "You're a abused puppy." So you know you're like, "All right." Yeah, just put the toy down. But I didn't know you were the three days grace. I didn't know you, three doors, three doors. Yeah, three doors down to Superman. Three days grace. So, right, so you know how someone like, and his brother did just die of AIDS? I think so. I kind of didn't know that that does shift the situation. I didn't know that. I just made some. 'Cause also, if you're dying of AIDS in 2026, that is tragic. It wasn't 2026. Oh, this is like 2015. This was right when we started the bonfire. This is before they were anything. 2015. Yeah, so this is. 'Cause we talked about it again on the bonfire like. Yeah, so 2014 or 2015. 'Cause it might have been 2013. I'm holding on to this. This is over 10 years. I need to go to your therapist. Yeah, it's great, man. I think every human being should go to therapy. Drop that better help ad. Right there. Wait, where's better help? No, it's just like a thing. Better help is like a. Oh, that's the A, yeah. Drop that better help sponsor. Propane. But back to like losing a fight to your kids. So, yeah, so wait, no, so then, okay, that was whatever, that was this. Now, ha, this is the story. Oh, ha, we gotta talk about fucking ha. So, here's how it's happened. So, there was a guy named X-ine, who. I remember X-ine. He was like Nuprin, little, yellow, different. Yeah, that's it. But that's a joke that will not land. He's such. He's such. I don't know. Hopefully you're good. I think he might be still alive. Good for him. He's probably not going well. I don't know. He was very. He was always very nice to me. He was very nice. He had. He had some wild stories. But he was. Yeah. So, okay. So, you go to comedy clubs. I just want people to know this. What's crazy about these levels of comedy clubs we're talking about, the ha and what the world was, was it was like finding someone buried in a mine. Where you would like go down these stairs and you would see a comic that you would see in it, like, three years and you'd be like, "This is where you've been." Yeah, yeah. Like, the light was a splash on them and they're like, "Help." Yeah. I'm looking for the canary. Get me out of here. Does anybody know anyone that stand up in New York? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He books gladices. [laughs] There's a new room where Sal's comedy whole was. Sal's comedy whole. Perfect example. Another one. Yeah. So, this one. Brother, I was born in the Bronx. [laughs] No wonderbar. I came up through all that shit. Oh, yes, baby. I hated me. But they wouldn't give me spots. Really? Yeah. Well, look who's doing better now. Suck my dick for Francisco. You fat fucking hack. They wouldn't give you spots. Nope. Really? Yeah. He got to work for it. Yeah. We got to work for it. Yeah, that's what he said. That's it. You know what? Oh, cool. I'll just go. You got to do seven spots. I'll give you five six because you got the one for free. Yeah. He died of karma and. Oh, did I take back my middle finger? Yeah. No, no, like this. Yeah, down, down. [laughs] Yeah, I was just. I was like, "I'm gonna go buy him a hot dog one time." It made me so mad I wanted to punch him in the head. Oh, he was a lot of that. Joe List was like, literally, I had to take Joe List outside. Yeah. Because he was so mad. Joe was working at Haul. Yeah. They gave him spots. Yeah. I was trying to get in and they were. Yeah. They gave me a spot once. Yeah, it's. Dude, this is when he told me, when I'm paying a z's. And I'm like, "Why?" He goes, "There's a wall and he's doing jokes about bush." And I go, "You said you're gonna pay him. He got to pay him." He's like, "I'm paying that guy." I go, "You can't censor comics." It's talking about his z's and z's art. Uh-huh. And he's not gonna pay him for being at Haul. When he was. Yes, before he was. Where he was coming up. Yeah. Yeah, when he was like doing the stripping stuff. Yeah, yeah. That was right when I moved here. It's right. It blew the fuck up. And blew the fuck up. Human giant was what blew him up. Is that what it was? Yeah, it was that sketch. It was great. Human giant was fucking great. Yeah. And then he did the aptal movie. Yeah, you know, he was. I remember that. He was like a rocket. Anyway, so I was performing one night. And this woman's heckling me. And I said something. And they're like, "Hey, if you died in a fire, I'd feel bad for the fire." Or something like that. Right. And she. I mean, he'd gone back and forth, you know? And then, like, I. You know, and then she gets up. I see what's about to happen. She turns bright green. She cocks her head back and projectile vomit at my feet. And the owner walks up. Hands me a mop. No! On my kid's life. So I was literally the first two rows left. So they all like left. And so I'm literally mopping and telling jokes. And I. And you think that would not have been the point where you go, "I'm not staying." Yeah, but you know what? There's something about that. That there's like, "I don't know if I ever told the story on the podcast before about Nate at The World." But The World was a different kind of hell. Because a lot of times, Ha had people that spoke English in the crowd. But The World didn't. It called it The World. That motherfucker. Everyone was from. So that. You remember that show? It was all bringers. It was. I mean, not bringers, it was all barked in. So what would have. It was all barkers. Same with the. Ha! Same shit. So here's the model. And I don't know if this is still the model. But what they'd do is they'd put barkers on. They would go, "Hey, come to the show. This is comics from Comedy Central HBO. This is what networks still matter." NBC and CBS. Yep. Come see all of them. And we got a great comedy show. And comedy wasn't popular. So people literally you could lie to them about what it was. It was like snake oil salesman. Yeah, yeah. It's a. Dan Soder from the. From the David Letterman show with Tom Cotter. My favorite story. My favorite story. It's Big J Okerson. It's going to the laugh factory. Remembering the laugh factory was in Times Square. For two seconds, yeah. For two seconds. For maybe a year. Maybe a year. He's his ex-wife. It's like a Saturday night. Jay's going to do like four shows at the laugh factory. And a barker comes up to him and he goes, "Yo, man, get tickets to the laugh factory. We got everybody. We got people from SNL from Comedy Central from this." He goes, "Tonight, we got Dean Edwards." And the guy, you know, shows them the lineup. And Jay goes, "What about that guy?" And points to his picture. And he goes, "Man, fuck that guy. You want to see Dean Edwards?" And he goes, "That's me." And the guy goes, "What's up, Big J?" And like that. [LAUGHTER] So we told that story on the bonfire. It's really hard to hear stories about that. And then, Big J and I, when we started the bonfire, we went to go get pictures because Comedy Central got us a billboard in Times Square. So we were going to Times Square to take a picture with, I think Dave Kimowitz, our IP. He was with us at the time. And he went to go take a picture of us. And we took a picture. And we're walking back to the studio. And this guy goes, "Yo. Stand up New York we got a great great show tonight. Someone so and so and so and so. Dan Sotter's gonna be there and Big J goes, are you gonna be there tonight and I went, nope. And he went, nah, Dan Sotter's gonna be the not realizing I was here. - Who just said, nope. - I go, I'm not gonna be there. And then I went, you sure he's gonna be there tonight. Anyway, yeah, and this is how I am. I checked my phone, I checked my calendar to be like, hold on, hold on, I think someone has a picture of it online somewhere. You see me checking my phone being like, okay, I'm not there. So no, this is a lie, you're lying to these people. But the world was barked in and they didn't care as long as they came in. So a lot of times you were getting like, a lot of Scandinavians, a lot of Spaniards, a lot of Italians, a lot of great tippers, yeah. - Great tippers, yeah. - A lot of Germans, they would just come in and sit there but didn't speak English. - Just English. - In the way the lineup was. - Yeah, hostile like that. - I know. I remember the hostile show. I fucking just saw a picture from the hostile show like a week ago. But so they'd be an MC and then they would put like, either Nate Bargette, me, Yannis, Mark Norman or Joe List, right? And then we'd do a set, 15 minutes set and then there would be five barkers doing seven minutes and it would just, if you went in the middle and then they would put another one like me, Yannis, Mark, and then again, at the end, they would be like Josh Spear would close out or like Joey Gay, someone would close out, that could like really end the show well. And I remember going up in the middle and being like, oh, this is like truly useless. Like there's like, I'm speaking and I can tell you don't know what I'm saying. (laughing) And they would like laugh at noises. But I swear to God I watched, I remember the show. I watched Bargette just, oh yeah, brought it up with this a bell about the titling of his thing. I watched him just give up and be like, man, y'all don't even know what I'm saying, dude. And it got so funny that I watched him, like that was like a, I don't know if you would agree, but for me as his friend, it was like watching someone take a leap in their abilities where he was just like, oh, I don't care, I'll just be myself on stage. So then when he went in front of a real crowd, he was like calm in a way that was like great to watch. But it was all 'cause of those fucking shows. - Well also, yeah. - God I drank so much when I used to do those shows. - Oh yeah. - Go to Barcelona. - I was a mess, I used to live with Nate. - Oh yeah. - You him in Dustin and Nick Novicki. - Yeah. - In the Astoria House. - Yes. - Yeah. - And that giant, that giant converted store. And we used to watch him 'cause no one knew, like he wasn't, you know, so we would put him and if they, he's got the Nate gear. - Yeah. - And it's a brilliant gear. - Yes. - But if they're not getting into that gear, super man, and they're not, yeah, it was like, we would go like, - That's what I'd watch the world. - Yes. - Maybe like, are you kidding me? - Yeah. - What? - Yeah. - And they're like, I don't know. - I don't know. - What is on the line? - Is this an accent? - Yeah. - Can you remember years ago, Caroline's did like, they would always do competitions. - Of course. - They always love to do competitions. Motherfuckin' clubs in the 2000s. - Oh, they love. - Love the competition. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Yeah, yeah. - Yeah. - Yeah. - So they did this thing called the World Series of Baseball. - The World Series of Comedy. - Yes. - And they would, they did a whole, they won that, I believe. - I was on his team. We didn't win. - We were on the Astros. - Oh. - There's meaning, damn shacky. That was our team. - Oh. - But the reason I bring this up is we were going against Wilson Vince, Reese Waters, and someone else. - Reese Waters were that made forever. - Yeah, he's in DC now. He's doing great. - Yeah, he's doing like sports stuff. - Sports and politics, it's nice. - But we were, nice guy. - It went, Nate went first. So how would it do, how the games would be played? Was one comic from a team would go up then a comic from the other team would go up, and those guys would win a point. And then the second team, the two others would go up. And if it went to a third, that would be the tiebreaker. So usually we would put Nate last, hoping that if we had a tiebreaker, Nate would go up. It was when he started doing Conan's a lot. He was doing, starting to get shit. But this time we were like, oh, they're having Wilson Vince lead off. And will, so I was like, Nate, you go first, and then I'll go third if Reese, you know, if they push it. And I remember Nate went up and did great. Like really, he had a great set, and then will went up and murdered. Will was killing. And then we were sitting on that second row of chairs at Caroline's, you know when they shut the curtain. We were sitting on that second row. And Nate just goes, he leans into me and he goes, is this a who can talk funnier competition? (laughing) 'Cause I think I'll get nail man. - It was so fun. - You should have went, that's crazy. - Yeah, that's what we were watching going, why you, why you, you do that to me? - Why you, you do that? - Yeah, he was doing that? - Yeah. - That's what nailing nobody does. Is this a who can talk funnier competition? - I just said Reese is a nice guy. And then I realized in our business, he really was a low the bars in the end, nice guy. I don't think people know, you're like, as long as he doesn't slip into the DMs of a 16 year old, he's a nice guy. - It really, I think it has to be on par with police officers. - Right. - We go son of a bitch, he was selling drugs. - Yeah. - Oh, what? - I thought he was here to protect. That's what it is with comedy where you feel like, I think the worst one is where you find out people steal jokes. That's like the one where you go. - I found out one that's like, and a guy that I'm like, friendly with for years, like legitimate child. - No. - Like legit, like he's, I think he's, I was like, what? - Yeah, I was like, what? - I wonder if there's ever guys that get caught with child. There's a good average where you go, I need that. You know what I mean? - I mean, like that actor just came up, well like the, it was the principal in Ferris Bueller. - Yes. - He was a child, there was another actor that just got caught. I don't know if you can look that up. He was like a pretty, he's like a good, go ahead. You know, Rosemite Goen just fell on me speaking of, that's pretty cool. - That's pretty cool. I was like, what? - Rosemite Goen. - I know, right? to where women from the 2000s that were born their minds, get it 20s, 20s, 26s, you know, not that bad. Yeah, yeah, still got it. Who that old rotator cuff. Yeah, she's old though now. And you go, that's just wait. Just wait your turn. You wait long enough. He's married to another famous actress. This dude's been in shit. That cost me. Oh, yeah. I mean, that was that's so this point because his comedy is so great. Who caused me? He'll cause me himself as one of the best hours ever. At least to watch it. And now he's self-disappointing involved in child. Because it hold on. I'll find it right now. It's like child. No, there's so many fucking guys. Jesus Christ. It's so much of you typing after involved. It's crazy. It just gives a list. He's the ones who are not in child. God, his name's like Jeremy. Oh, man. Well, I'll figure this out. But my algorithm is like, excuse me. What all these Denver Nuggets? Well, Alex English. Oh, yeah, like the comment. Yeah. That was the first conversation I ever had with him. First time I ever met Alex English. I was like, I'm a Denver Nuggets fan. He goes, I know what? There was a point guys. I was like, Hell yeah. But I think that's awesome if you have the same name as an athlete. Hell yeah. Yes. That's it from the West Wing. Yeah. One of the guys from West Wing. Who what's his name? Timothy Bussfield. That's the one. Because listen, obviously, I just Googled it. You know who Timothy Bussfield is. I'll show you Rich. Yeah, I do. Oh, not this guy. This guy. Yes. Oh, yeah, dude. He not only was he in West Wing. He was at kids. Dude, field of dreams. Revenge of the nerds. He's point Dexter. Dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude. Damn it. I love revenge of the nerds. Damn it. Yeah. Point next. God, damn it. Oh, you have billions. Yeah. Your show. A coworker. A coworker. No, we had no scenes together. That you know. I was put on this diaper and run around this office. So baby, baby, baby. I'm a method actor. Yeah. Suck at this passie. I need to. I need you to use this binky. Yeah. God, damn it. He really wasn't billions. Damn. That's. You really find out. That's it. It's got to be like when you find out it does. It has to be like when a cop is like he killed. Damn it. I saw your coworker Paul walking down the by the seller the other night. Yeah, Marty. Yeah. He's the man. He seems really cool. Truly a like a real person. We're trying to get him on the podcast. He was down to do it. We just couldn't have it work out like a day and time. He's the man, dude. Yeah, I would walk up and he'd just be outside on his phone at like table reads because that was the only time I saw him because we weren't like, you know, and we only had one scene together in seven seasons. He used to me. He would like to just be on his phone and I'd come up and be like, damn sonar. And I'd be like, what's up, Paul? He's like, how's the life of a standup? Yeah, yeah. You know when you like you like your funny co-workers the most. Yeah, that's always like what we were as consummate people pleasers going, exactly. Please like me. Please like me. Please like me. And if you're funny, they're going to probably like you more. That was 100% I always whenever I had someone funny I worked with at work. And you would like to see that they're on the same shift. You know like bedbath and beyond. I'd be like, Paul's here. The best is if they're also doing carpet chest hair today. I had like a friend like that and we would terrorize the teachers. So we would to do snoring with our eyes open. That's very fun, that's very fun. And they'd be like, rich. And then I'd stop and then they would pick it up. That's great. And so we would just go back and forth like, who's doing that? That's, it's not me and then they'd be here. That's class clown mentality. Class clown mentality. Which is like, you need that at a job that you hate. Yeah. Like, I can't, I would put probably, I bet I could go to an Amazon warehouse and pull the funniest person from that. And I could, I probably could coach them to win the Netflix thing. (laughing) You know what I mean? You know talent. Yeah. Send me to like, like an Amazon fulfillment center in Kentucky. Show me who the funniest guy is and I'll be like. Me and Joey Gay when we started had, we kept getting each other bad jobs. That's fun. Survival jobs. Yeah. We were, I mean, like shady lone guy. What was your, what was your worst survival job? We were selling vending machines in the Empire State Building. That carried such products as Advil Accusesor Bear Mocha, Mino, Milanta, Jins and condoms. We breathed so to energy. That kind of thing. Your product costs the 25 cents. Your customer pays a dollar. That's 75 cents profit for one product. Now, imagine it's like 10 people a day. That's seven, 50 a day times. Oh, I don't know. Seven days, seven days. Multi-billion dollars you're gonna be making in cash. And you know the advantages of cash. I don't have to tell you that. And let me hold on. Let me see if the locations are available. There's two locations in your area. I don't know if you want it, but I got another guy on the phone. You want it? Yes or no, you got cash. So you would go, you'd go to the Empire State Building. They would put ads in that, like, in all these little weird papers back then, people would call in. And the people that were there were all, I mean, all criminals. Can I tell you right now, what a full circle moment this is? My mom's boyfriend. No. Was one of those guys that you called and bought in? No. He bought. No. He bought? No. I'm telling you right now, at my lowest in my life. No. I would probably say, I don't want to hear this. The worst, the most sad I've ever been in my life was eighth grade through sophomore year. Just that year I broke my shoulder playing football. My girlfriend cheated on me. My dad died. Yeah. My mom's boyfriend was a fucking, he bought vending machines. Oh, he was, he bought vending machines and put him in nail salons and shit. And we would have the merchandise down in the basement and I would steal it. I would just eat so much skittles and twigs. Oh, that was cute. Yeah, this is, so this was, we'd first have seen super legit, right? But then-- Dude, I watched him take a bath. Yeah. And my mom was the one that put up the money. Yeah. She got vending as a bad world. It's a bad investment. Bad world. My dad was still alive. And when I told him that Joe was doing vending machines, my dad goes, is he fucking with the mafia? And I go, what do you mean? And he goes, well, in San Francisco, the mafia runs the vending machines and the fucking, like, my dad was like, not hyperbole, not, I've heard. My dad had like, had worked in all these dingy shitty jobs in San Francisco. He was like, oh, then he machines is 100% mob. And I was like, oh, I hope it's the mob. So they put Joe in a fucking river. That'd be my benefit. Dude, we all had fake names. And we didn't figure out why. And the first day when he was playing in Joey, you say this one, you call me. I'm the, I'm the closer. And then he goes, but, oh, listen to me, I'm high. Lifted up a newspaper and did a line of Coke on his interview. Sick. Sick. And then when I-- Honestly, it's that kind of, it's that kind of-- And you good. Oh, dude, the minute I realized-- To do attitude. We, when I sold one, and then I started getting like, hey, where are the keys, and I was like, oh, I can't do this. This is horrible. I didn't realize how bad I got that was like, okay, it's shady. Like, something doesn't feel right. There's a guy who's like, it's literally standing on his desk. Like, and you go, you got to shake the trees. They're all borrowing steel. Why, you're going to make so much money. Oh, they're doing that, they're like-- Yeah, yeah, they're like-- And then, and then there's then the guy was a preacher, who was missing his two front teeth. Are those guys all in crypto now? Probably. Like, where did they, where did all of them go? Where did the grips go? Because it's gotta be crypto. I'm just saying there was something-- Vending coin. There was so something pure about grifters back then. Because they were in their own little culture. They had their own little griffs. They weren't in politics. They weren't in entertainment. They weren't in all this stuff. They were just like, you know, if I sell these vending machines, I can make $6.00 to every $2.00 that they make. Dude, they moved into low-rigages and loans for a few years. Yeah, that's why '08 collapsed. Yes, that's why '08 on. Because they all, they went, okay, telemarketing's done. Then, they moved into mortgage as loans. That's 100% true. That's where they moved to. They went, absolutely, well, selling a loan. Bad credit is a good thing. That was the guy who's saying, bad credit is a good thing. I got to put you under the mop. This was a guy in somewhere in Brooklyn named Benny-- Benny the deal. We called him Benny the deal. And he used to talk about-- he was like, I saw this comb. And he was like, he talked like this. He was just going, I had baby oil. And then he just went, baby oil. And we were like, so like, ew. Dude, where are you? The guy in the shitty job and someone gets pervy. As a woman, I can't imagine what it's like. As a guy even better. Bye, be oil. Like restaurant managers, like bad restaurant managers, when hot girls would get hired, you'd be like, bro. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You beat it in your pants. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, she's beautiful. Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally. I had one of those. I had one of those jobs where you were. I was across the Lincoln Center. Try to. And it was the-- you had to tip the guy that sat you. And I didn't realize, like, you have to over-tip him. They're like, you tip him 10%. I was like, OK, here's 10%. And my friend when he goes, you have to give him more than 10%. I go, why? He goes, that's why you never make any money. I go, really? Yeah, let's switch sides. He can't see. We were in the hidden part of the restaurant. I go, I'll take yours. You take my-- I go, OK. I doubled his sales. Doubled. So he sat this guy. He was like, he was just printin' money. And I'm sitting there like, table, OK, table. And all like foreigners. And he was like, he was like, this night sucked. I'm like, oh my god. It really does matter. So I got fired because they thought-- someone thought I looked like another guy. And this guy was like, was drinking on the job all the time. And like-- Those guys were the best. They were the best. He had-- you'd find wine hidden all over the restaurant. You knew his-- I watched-- I watched a guy kill a frozen margarita by putting it. And he goes, the trick is you got to put the straw to the top of your mouth. And that way it goes down. You don't keep brain freeze. And I watched him put it in and go. And the whole thing went down anyway. I'm gonna run my drinks. You're getting drunk on the way of the table. Yeah, it's great. So he was being-- And so they complained about him. But they said it was me. And then they fired me. And I was so pissed. I went back in and we had this moose bucket. They weighed like 95 pounds. And we hit it from the desserts. You take it off the table. Here's the desserts. And so I'm like, where is the most bucket? And you're like, what was the moose bucket? He was a vat of chocolate moose and whipped cream. And he had to carry-- He even run all the way up city ball back to get it. --to get it both side moose. And you go, yeah, plop. And you're like, in this nice wrestling, you're like slop. And you're just like, every slap, you're like, I hate my life. How do I-- myself? How do I fake my own death? Yeah, why did you go wrong? I just feel that way about salsa trias. Because it was like trying to be fancy. And it had these little dishes. And you had to like pour the different sauces. And I'd be like, I fucking hate this shit. And I think that's why it's important when you, like, to-- in our business, like, remember that stuff. Oh, all the time, dude. When I'm like, I'm just a host at the cellar. That's what I'll do. I'll do that on the road where I'm like, oh, I'm at a funny bone for four days and a lonely. And then I'll go get lunch. And I'll watch someone clock into micros. Yep. And I'll go, I'm fine. Yeah. I'm literally going to leave your Smoker joint. Go back to my hotel, take a shower and go do two shows. Yeah, I'm fine. Yeah, yeah, I'm good. That's why it is-- it is good to get like-- I think, like, when I meet people that have had success early in their career, I have a few in mind. Yeah, but you just go like, I don't think you appreciate it at all. The kind of-- I watch the best work. Yes, I watch this person, and I definitely won't say the name on air. And paid for their act, became wildly successful within four years, like, majorly successful. But everything is business, business, business. And I'm like, you should have just gone to law school. You should have become a doctor. This makes-- There's someone else who I'll say after we record. Again, you know the rules. You catch my live show. I will tell you. I've always said, if people remember this, and I don't say the name, but they come out and I'm doing a show. And they go, who are you guys talking about? I go, this person. Oh, great. It's a great way to sell tickets. I just go, I fucking tell you. It's called the secret push. Genius. But I remember one person that got like real big, real quick, and you were like, oh, you never had the experience of struggling to the point where you enjoy this. Like where they're all business all the time. And I was talking to a friend of ours, a mutual friend. And I brought that person up. And immediately our friend was like, they would have been a CEO in a marketing company on Fifth Avenue. He's like, that's literally where they would have been. You know what I think about? And we're both old. I think about-- I don't think I'm old. We're both old. I think about all the people that came into comedy that would have just worked at MTV. So many people. So many people, think about people that you watch at the seller. And you go, you're a VJ. You're not a comic. You're supposed to be like, coming up, we got a new Sabrina Carpenter video, but Joe go anyway. Because I heard there's a little shade. - He'd add her ex in it. And now they're on stage going, "What's up?" - You know, it's a sucks. - Could you imagine one of them in this movie, The Jaws? We're gonna need a bigger bout. - I mean, that's where we're headed, dude. You watch all the shit. - They're gonna remake this with like, - Jaws with the Jaws? - While they're getting eaten and doing like, trying to do a video, like, selfie video. - It's you cheer for the shark in that one. - You cheer for the shark. - He goes, he has dark eyes, black eyes, with all his eyes, but at least he's not on his phone at all the time. - At least that shark makes eye contact. - At least he knows when he's in a social situation. (laughing) - The shark's going, "Look up from your phone." - Yeah. - Instead of the story of the ship going down, 1200 souls in, 240, it's just about, I remember getting a new an elevator and saying, "Hello." (laughing) - Talking to people, not scared. - Can we just talk about the weather? - It's just staring at your phone. - The worst is when my kids trying to make a human connection with someone that won't look in the front, I get angry, when my two-year-old who's so cute, objectively cute, not just 'cause I'm the deck, but really, really cute. And he's got this goofy smile and he's trying to make eye contact on the person, and I'm like, (laughing) and they're just not, I'm like-- - Just on their phone. - Just on their phone. - You know what I do now? I look at their phone. - I just look at their phone. - I did that the other day. - They were just like getting the elevator and if they won't, docks me, I'll just go. - I made a comment. - Yeah, a little lead. - We'll make people go. - Yeah, hey, how you doing? (laughing) - I did that. - I did it multiple times in my own building. - They were watching the news or something, and I go, yeah, nothing good there. And they were like, and actually the prince is in town, and I'm like, oh, oh, shut the fuck up. - Oh, shut the fuck up. - She's Charles, the king. - King Charles. - Yeah, King Charles. - This is King Charles about to take a dump. - Yeah. - No, no, no, no, no. (laughing) - There you go. - Got he pouring on that thing? (laughing) - He's trying to shoot her house. - No, that's cool. What's up with some T&A on that phone? (laughing) - You want to go to a lobster tube? (laughing) - You ever heard teakreamy.com? (laughing) - It'll make you a famous actor. - You got a hamster, X. (laughing) - And you're saying try it. (laughing) - You ever watch Bang Bus? (laughing) - I'm there for trying to get them to do it. That's so funny. You're trying to get people to change their internet? Talk to this thing? - Yeah, go to the top. - Go to the top. - Talk to this thing. - If you ever looked at porn on your phone? - What? - Yeah, it would, I've never, not it. I haven't watched porn. Of course I do. But it will ruin, 'cause then you get, then you get started getting all the spam and stuff from like, are you lonely? - Yeah, don't ever watch on your phone. - I primarily watch on my phone. - Really? - Yeah, you don't get the-- - It's my Jack device, dude. - That's your Jack. - I turn this thing sideways. And by the way, good luck in your fucking conservative states. Like, Texas and shit. - Oh, and they were like, they're like, are you, they make you now put your ID or something? - Yeah, but someone has NordVPN. (laughing) - So I'm watching, so-- - Play the ad. - So check me out, watching porn in California while I'm really in Texas. (laughing) Yeah, dude, I don't, that shit, I'm like, get out of here. I'm on the road, I got a Jack. - Yeah, I got a Jack. - I don't empty the clip, we're in trouble. - Yeah, that's true. - Yeah, that's really all it is. It's just like-- - Do you think I'll ever change? - What? - Like at one point, you're gonna be like, like, a tell has got to joke. He's like, I watch porn, not as much as you think I do. - That's, yeah, I mean, best of all time. - He's the best, he is the goat. - Yeah, David Tell is the graceful tone. - I think so. - He makes you laugh harder than anybody else. - If you're talking about consistency of high level comedy, there's no one better than David Tell. - No one. - And it's not even close, like, David Tell is my favorite comedian of all time, but it's not close. - Yeah, but he, but talk to him, he doesn't think so, of course, which is probably what makes it great, yeah. - It really is a gift and a curse. - Yeah. - Where you'll go, Dave, that set was fantastic. - Yeah. - We opened for, we were both on Shane show, at Masses Square Park. - Masses, yeah. - We started even close until I had the best set. It was like, perfect. It was like, pitch perfect. - And let me guess, he gets off and he's like, ah, I'm sorry guys. - In the green room, Katie. - In the green room, Katie and Dave are sitting on a couch talking and she goes, can you believe you thought he had a bad set? And I went, I'd reject it now. I go, just stop, I'm over that. You're the best of all time. I just, I shoe-shoot it. I go, stop. - What does he do? - And he goes, it's, he gets mad. He goes, it's for it and he goes, no, I'm not doing this. I'm not going, I'm not the hottest girl with the giant tits going, I'm, I'm not doing that. - Yeah. - I'm going, no, you know what you are. You're a bad. - Sidney is swinging going, I'm fat. - I mean, you know what you're fat in this? - Yeah, shut up. - Shut up. - Yes. You'd be even cooler if you were a fact, 'cause your titties would give you bigger fat. (laughing) - I don't even know how the fuck you're fat in this room. - What do you do? - Yeah, at least he's sitting on your phone. - Also, you're an adult in 2026, have a screen protector. See my screen? - Wow. How does that work? - You just buy one. You just put it over your phone. It's like a bank, remember bank tellers you just have that screen? - Yeah, dude, Timothy Bussfeld. More like Timothy Bussfeld. - Yeah, Bussfeld. - Okay, yeah, Aaronovitch is going to be cranking it to old Tim DeLue. - You can go worker from Billions. (laughing) - Right under my nose, watch a child porn. I had no idea. - Dude. - And I'll say the name off after, okay, so wait, what name do we have to say? The child porn, write that down, child. - Yeah, that one. - I'm grateful for their success, four years. - Right, and then the one I told you about then. - And then, the one. And then there's also one. - Marketing CEO. - Marketing CEO. - Yeah. Then there's like, there's, there's like, oh, I can't, it's too specific. Dude, I can't, I can't bring it up. - I kind of want you to. - Okay, so. - We can edit it. - All right, we'll edit it. (laughing) - I don't know if he's on a tremendous amount of drugs or whatever, but I have been sending. - Hold on, here we go. (horn honking) - No, dude, we're good. We can't bring that up. Edit this whole thing. - Yeah, yeah, this is, but it makes me laugh. How bad it is. - Oh, it gets shared. - Okay, it gets shared. Nothing on the internet is not seen. - Dude, I- - Do you understand? - Bro, I made fun of this guy. Did I show you the video? - Yeah. - Like, I came at me. Like, I came at me. - Yeah, we have people like, get mad at us all the time if we make jokes. But they'll try to like- - Who knows? - We used to do the cards thing, we used to open cards and like athletes, kids would write us and be like, you should have my dad's name wrong, 'cause we had opened basketball cards from 1988, and they'd be like, actually, my dad was fucking good, and you're like, I know, I know, I'm fucking being silly. - So this guy wrote, tag me pussy, you already cut off the punch line. What's up with that? That's what he messaged me. Now, I didn't respond. The video, I just made fun of him, and it went viral, and he found me, and like, what do I respond to? Like, I just didn't, and I was trolling me and trolling the people in the comments. I'm like, boost the algorithm, I don't care. Do I respond? - No. - Right, you don't respond. - But someone knocking into your door, it's Jehovah's Witness. - Yeah, I just go, okay, yeah, whatever. - You just go, dude, yeah, I got a crazy one. I'll tell you off here that just happened to me. - Another off here? - Yeah, dude, I'm gonna pay for your ticket. Take 'em to see you next time. - Dance under.com for all the live days. Richie is funny, Richie is funny. - Richie is funny.com. Do you remember when people, when you did have websites, you just hand out business cards? - Oh, I was a king of panning out business cards. What was the free business card website? It was like free. - Vista? - Vista. - Yeah, dude, crushes. - Nailed it. - Nailed it. - For free. - Vista. - You would, I remember getting my box of vistas and being like, 'cause on one side there's a business card and your turn and I was like, Vista on the back. But I remember standing on those stairs at Caroline's and being like, hey, hey, thanks, thanks. - And then you'd walk, you'd leave and you'd see your cards littered all through mid-down, everywhere. You'd be like, that's my-- - You just brought back a memory I haven't thought of in so long. - Right, you'd see your face. - We're just going outside of Caroline's to smoke a cigarette going, hey. - Yeah, this is my face. - It was like five bars. - Yeah, yeah, five, oh, I would see it everywhere. I would do it everywhere. And they would, he'd be like, tear. - Oh my God, that's really, that's a thought about that. So long. - That feeling? - Because there, Caroline's used to have a giant staircase where you'd go down and then you'd go down into the showroom and you would stand right there 'cause people would be coming up and you just hand out your business card and you'd be like, thanks for coming to the show. Hope you had a great time. Thanks for coming to the show. And then you go back down and have a couple beers or whatever and hang out and then I'd go to smoke a cigarette and I'd go outside and be like, everybody threw me away. - Oh man, in front of that restaurant that is now a junior's cheesecake. - Yeah, it used to be like a-- - Chinese restaurant. - There was a theme one there for a while where the characters who used to work, waiters would go-- - Oh, that's on the, that diner's still there. That's if you go right out of Caroline's. Talking if you went left. It was like a big Chinese restaurant that was owned by the same group that owned my restaurant. - Wow. - That I worked at. Fuck, she was like, I forget what it was called, but dude. That, Caroline's Times Square was so much fun. - Yeah. That was pretty-- - That was pretty, it was. - That bringer show, Monday nights. Dude, I did one where I brought-- - He's like Roman Cokes and I would host it. - I would bring, this is when I was like a few months in a call. - Oh, okay. - And I brought like fifth people fluid. - Linda's show. - No, this was Andy. - Oh yeah, I remember that show. - Speaking of off-air, we have to talk about that. He's dead? - No, he's canceled. - Oh yeah, well, no surprise there. - Yeah, yeah. - He stuck. - So I made him, I made him, I made him, probably a thousand bucks and I go, hi, I'm Rich and Riley, being like, hey, I just brought 50 antigos. I'm eating. And I was like, you are not a good person. - Dude, nice to do prom shows. - Oh yeah. Oh, there's a skill to it. - There's a skill to it. - But let me say, 'cause we're almost done, but let me say, I had to fully explain what a prom show was to Katie, 'cause she has no idea, because most-- outside of New York City. - After prom. - No. - After prom is like they set up a casino, a casino at the high school, or they do something where you go to this after prom where all the kids from high school are now, you know, still in their tuxes, but they're dancing, it's not the dance. New York City, I guess was a tradition. Kids from Long Island, kids from the city would have these comedy shows after prom. - Danger fields. - Danger fields, carolines. - Yep. - It would be two in the morning. - Yep. - And I would be very drunk. - And so would they. - And so would they, and that was the mixture. - Yeah. - I would just go up there and go, you guys are fucking kids, you have no idea. Eat all the free food you can. That's all I was doing, I was going. 'Cause that was maybe 23 at the time. 24, so I was going on, I was going, I'm you five years in the future. You have no money. Eat all you can eat, get as fat as you can. You'll burn it off later. And then, there still is a Dwayne Reed across the street from where it was. And they used to sell Corona 40s. And the bars were always closed at carolines. 'Cause it was two in the morning. So I would bring two Corona 40s. They'd just sit in the green room and I'd smoke cigarettes in the bathroom and drink those 40s. And I'd get fucking, I was already drunk. But I'd get fucking black out. And then I'd just yell at kids. And I remember doing this, I remember doing this joke about rushing to the scariest white people. That was like my big joke. And I did this joke about like being scared in a neighborhood in the scroll went, "That's racist." And I just went, "Shut the fuck up!" And I don't, I remember after the thing at carol, I was like, "Yo, you can't be going to the kids like that. "There's still kids." And I was like, "That, I'll get that shit." You're giving me $20. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly. $20. And a check, too. Yeah, and a check. And a check. Oh, I got a check one time for $8. Like pen and paper does not need to be involved. It's, give me fucking money. Just give me $8. God, I remember those shows. And you'd watch comedians, certain kind of comedians would murder. You know what it was? It was the beginning of the crowdwork epidemic. 'Cause the guys that always kill. Social media is the crowdwork epidemic. Yeah, but those guys were like the beginning, you would watch and do crowdwork, and you'd be like, "What are they doing?" But then they'd be killing. Yeah. And you'd be like, "Ugh." And you'd watch it. I don't mind the skill of it. No. I like the skill of it. There's people that are unbelievable at it. The Jay Rich Voss, Todd Berry. Person's phenomenal. Person's phenomenal. Richeronovich. Yeah. I like. Wait, what? Huh? Who said that? Where'd you from? By random applause. Where you from? Look at this shirt. What are you gay? Yeah. Hey, this guy's a pizza squad. Don't bring it to me. Check your gun at the door. No, but like I really, like when it's, yeah, there was like really great crowd. Now Paula Poundstone was great at crowd work. Why she? She was amazing at it. Yes. She used to rock those blazers with the-- Dude, she was great. She was crazy. She was like the, like she was there. I tell you this. What? Mr. Don Rickles. Oh, yeah. Don Rickles. My grandma and grandpa inside Don Rickles in the 50s. And my grandma didn't like them. Really? I thought he was mean. That was the whole point. Yeah, that's the point. Yeah. This your wife? Jesus. And she said that. There really was a moment where I went, "I'm on Rickles side." My grandma would be a shitty audience member. But what I don't like, especially, I see this now, it's like you're fishing for a clip. Yeah. Like it used to be like guys would get up there and we're like doing, you know, pie sets where they're like, I remember these two gross road hacks were like, "I'm not getting paid, but it's a pie set." And they get up there and try to get laid from the stage. Like they were like, and you're like, "Oh, God." And then, and they called it a pie set. Oh. And you're like, "Oh." But this is what that's turned into now. They go, "Oh, this might be a clip." Yeah, this is a clip. You see it in their head, they go, "This is a clip." Yeah. I keep going. This is a clip. I make fun of those. I make fun of it now. I'm like, "What's your mother's name?" Your social security number. Clip it. It's funny. Put it on the internet. I need it out there. Yeah. I need it out there. Dude, you were one of the first people I remember when I moved to the city. We were taking a cab back to Queens together. And you were like, upper level. And we were on the 59th street bridge. And I was like, "Why upper level?" And it was such a welcome to New York moment. Because it's faster. There's less lights. And these motherfuckers are always trying to rip you off. And I, I lived by that for the 15 years I lived in Queens. I lived by that rule. I think it was a lower level. What's that? It wasn't the lower level. Upper level. You were absolutely correct. I was right. Because lower level, upper level feeds in. There's one light. And then you go on 21st and you can get to a story. Right. First is lower level. You get locked up. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. 59th street bridge. Upper level, baby. Clip it. Richesfunny.com. Richer on of it. Richesfunny on all social media. YouTube. Yeah, I got a special out. I'm doing another one. I had, I fell in one and I don't like it. So I'm killing it. I like that. Yeah, I looked at him all the time. That's what more comics should do. You know what? I took, I took, I did an hour and like whatever plus. I ended down to an hour. I'm like, no one's watching an hour. So I cut it into two. And I put out the first one. I really liked it. And the second one, I'm like, it's good. But it's not. I'm not proud of it. Good. And I grew out of it. I'm like, a lot of these jokes. I'm just like, are so much better now. I'm like, I'm just going to kill it. Do it. Yeah. Go refill them. Yeah. Go to his YouTube. We'll put a link in the bio. Yeah, go to my Instagram. It's fire. Richer on of it. Thank you for watching. [MUSIC]

Podcast Summary

Key Points:

  1. The host shares upcoming tour dates, including Hartford Funnybone (Sept 18–19) and Kuzatas in Albuquerque (Oct 2–3), with all details available at dancota.com.
  2. A personal anecdote about fatherhood and losing a fight to a son highlights how parental dynamics shift when a child gains influence, leading to a need for new family roles and boundaries.
  3. The conversation touches on the absurdity and exploitation in stand-up comedy clubs, particularly in New York, where barkers mislead audiences, and comedians are pressured to perform in hostile or incoherent environments.

Summary:

com. Central to the conversation is a reflection on fatherhood, where the host shares how losing a fight to his son has reshaped his role in the family, shifting from authority to a need for soft parenting and mutual respect. The discussion then shifts to the chaotic, often exploitative world of stand-up comedy in New York, where clubs operate like "puppy mills," using deceptive marketing and hostile crowds to manipulate attendance.

The host recounts stories of questionable audience behavior, such as heckling and audience members who don’t speak English, and describes how comedians like Joe List and Nate Bargette were shaped by these environments—sometimes thriving, sometimes breaking down. A humorous anecdote about prom shows in the 2000s, where comedians performed after high school parties under the influence, adds a nostalgic yet critical layer. The host also reflects on comedy’s deeper culture, including the danger of joke theft, the influence of personal relationships, and the contrast between professional success and the grind of early career struggles.

Ultimately, the narrative blends personal experience with industry critique, offering insight into both family dynamics and the often-unseen challenges of live comedy.

FAQs

You're scheduled to perform at Hartford Funnybone on September 18th and 19th (Friday and Saturday), and at Kuzatas in Albuquerque on October 2nd and 3rd (Friday and Saturday). Tickets are available at dancota.com.

Losing a fight to your son can shift power dynamics in the household, making him the 'alpha' of the family. The speaker suggests that such a moment requires a change in parenting style, including removing the parent from a position of authority and embracing softer, more empathetic approaches.

The speaker describes the comedy scene in NYC as often run by people who don't care about the art form, with clubs being more like 'puppy mills' where hecklers and barkers dominate. Shows often have limited audience understanding, leading to awkward or frustrating experiences for performers.

The 'secret push' is a marketing tactic where the host references a successful comedian without naming them, creating intrigue and curiosity among audiences. When people later ask about the reference, the host reveals the name, which helps generate buzz and drive ticket sales.

The speaker emphasizes the importance of boundaries in parenting, especially when a parent loses a fight with a child. He suggests that such moments require removing the parent from the household, not just emotionally but physically, to foster healthier, more balanced family dynamics.

The speaker sees comedy as a powerful tool for connection and self-expression, but also highlights the risks of comedy being used to mock or exploit others, especially when it comes to personal or sensitive topics like child-related issues or trust.

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