Coaching Changes, Wildcard Recap & Jameis Winston on Giants Rookies, QB Celibacy & TD Catches | EP 175

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is my question i can get high enough now i feel like using my arms as momentum what's the technique of running in jumping with a basketball that allows me to build this this is why this is why you see a lot of kids like throw the alley-oop and get it to right there right there by the rim and then they just flush it right here looking at you palm this fucking volleyball it's great you can't do a basketball like that um i can the problem is i lose it at the top it's that it's that finger isn't it that finger is not helping it's not helping my dead my dead knuckle damn it man dude you look explosive it looks like you got the footwork down right it's just i don't think you could and then i saw i saw you do it at the end of your dude i got my my weight lifting belt on did you see that take that i'm trying to apply more force with the belt oh this is you you'd lost about a foot of of airtime that was a bad rep we didn't show the ones that look good on there we're trying to build suspense here but that's hilarious very close you did it very well you did it very well you did it you didn't even get to the rim jason mike didn't want to show the good one all right i don't know what you want me to tell you he showed the bad one i'll take it the weight belt i'm not sure if it was beneficial or not i got all sorts of gadgets i'm going to try and use to get my fat ass up there a weight belt is not it well it allows you to apply more force it allows you to apply more force i don't care what you have to be able to use those hips to sink i don't know i'm gonna try a squat suit i'm trying to squat suit this week i'm gonna get my fat ass up there you're not even going to touch the fucking rim dude it's like a it's not a rubber band it's literally restricting your hips yeah well listen i'm not trying to actual dribble and do functional things i'm just trying to jump higher you need those things you need those things fluid so you can fire right now that that's good for a standstill movement that's not good what about knee sleeves what about knee sleeves no you need you don't need these my knees hurt they might be able to provide balance that's what what about get those outer hips going that's how you save the knees man get the outer should i take the tights off should i take the tights off no the tights are fine tights aren't doing anything all right the first half of this video is very legit though so i'll give you your props i think you might you're close you're way closer than i thought you thought yes you bringing in all these fucking belts and fucking braces how high do you think i jump on the vertex not just standing just running and jumping running and jumping on a vertex no no i'm just talking about how what height do you think i'm reaching i'm looking at the height of my feet i'm looking at the height of my feet not the vertical not the vertical a hand length over the over the back over the rim so it looks like you're probably jumping like a 10 5 10 6 dude 10 8 two inches and a half really two inches man dude you know how important two inches is come on now create life with two inches yeah fuck if i had two more inches i'd be fucking i'd basically be a porn star at that point i mean all right man well so how long did it already start did the month start are we the whole month of january all right so january 29th i'm dunking uh at a sixers game that's going to be the day that i'm going to try and do this half half or during one of the timeouts i honestly i don't know i just know it's on the 29th 29th dude fucking that's how i'm going to do it you sell some fucking tickets right there well i just i figured i'm going to try and do this for the first time uh and you know we're going all in it's either going to be maximum celebration and energy at the first time i've ever done this or philly will literally just like you off the fucking car it's going to be public shame it's gonna be public shame which i'm all in either way i'm gonna feel something ah man uh anyways that wraps up new news new news is brought to you by hills pet nutrition get into some uh super wild card weekend that we just experienced and man was it action packed we had a bunch of great matchups um but uh let's let's start off with some bold topics uh that are brought to you by intuit turbo tax that's right there we go those taxes uh we are in getting close to the tax season so uh yeah don't forget that you don't want to knock at your door uh tell them that you so um nice best wild card weekend since last wild card weekend is playoff football baby are you fucking kidding me we had four games decided by four points or less that's right it's uh the nfl is you know tighter than it's ever been in terms of the wins losses um yep don't have to get into how many one scored games i lost this year uh the 12 fourth quarter lead changes in the first four games uh set up an all-time playoff record how about that 12 fourth quarter lead changes that means teams are coming up big on offensive side of the ball uh and uh and going back to the first four games uh and uh and going back to the first four games back and forth man and god it does create some fucking magic man it's been wild yeah the fourth quarters of the lead changes have made them uh extra exciting at the end of them the bears game alone that's the one that stands out going away i mean oh it's insane soldier field getting a fucking dub man god damn it dude that place looked like it was absolutely rocking are there two teams that hate each other right now more than the bears and packers i don't it doesn't seem like it you would you know you know when they really hate each other is when the fucking two coaches it's you know you can't hide it it's like palpable yeah like normally coaches i'm so used to coaches i kind of love it i'm used to coaches like oh no you know we got a lot of respect for these guys we don't want any bulletin board material these guys are talking shit before the game they're the handshakes of midfield is petty i mean this shit would look at this you love that shit it's so fucking i don't even know what to say about it i just it's crazy lafleur has got to be fucking pissed they'll look at his face it's tough dog but the bears have been doing what the bears have been doing man they those fourth quarter surges and like uh we were kind of talking with jamis uh later in this episode man some some quarterbacks just have that ability to just fucking flip that switch and they get into that mode of where you know i i don't have to think about this this is do or die i have to throw this ball i have to make this play and uh caleb williams came up fucking huge gave us some highlights that uh we'll remember forever we should just rename them mr caleb dr williams or something like dr mr williams dr caleb what he was in the first half and what he is at certain times where it feels like he should be easier and then all of a sudden at the end of games when it has to happen he makes some of the most insane throws i've ever seen in my life it's like he just there's and it's feels like it's been like this all year he just he feels it out he feels it out he feels it out and then the fourth quarter comes and he's just like all right i know what's going on now and he's just like he just shows up and i mean it was that that fourth down where he threw the fucking like off the ground through it going left yeah crazy fucking yeah it's either like literally the game is virtually over if you don't make that because you're all you're the packers are in scoring position again already and it's like man just an absolute epic fucking throw and to be able to fucking see this and be like oh yeah he's open i can put it somewhere he can catch it it's fucking crazy like how and then what is it a doozy for him to hold on to this fucking ball right here after he turns around yes big time getting schlopped he did he got fucking schlopped the eagles got schlopped niners 23 eagles 19 uh eagle season is over very frustrating game and season yeah for the eagles you could tell everybody was frustrated uh in philly man everybody that's talking about it everybody on that team it just feels like this it's they just couldn't get it clicking man and i know they were winning ball games but you already know man when when it's not clicking you gotta you gotta find a way to to to get over that hump man it just felt like there was always something eerie about what was going on over there this year man and it definitely wasn't like that last year last year it was fucking saquon and and the excitement everybody's celebrating in the end zone we got fucking guys running downfield like running to celebrate with each other it just felt like there was something off about that eagles team this year and unfortunately um it came down to the last play against the niners man and shout out to kyle shanahan and those fucking 49ers man they are are proving it year in, year out, man. Yeah, I mean, it's probably as bad. I mean, everybody's saying it now, so it's not like it's breaking. But the coaching job Kyle Shanahan's done this year, what they've overcome as a team, what they have on defense, like what Salah has built, they are just a resilient, resilient group. And they have fought through all the adversity, and they've overcome it. And they find themselves in the second round of the playoffs missing their best players on defense, like two, not just like guys. Like, this is the best linebacker and best defensive end in the league, like arguably. So it's, you know, offensively, they don't have their star receiver. Ayuk is out. Kittle has been in and out, just went down again. I love George Kittle. I'm wishing the best for him. It sucks. Football is better when George Kittle is freaking on the field. You know, they're starting quarterbacks out for eight games, and they come in, Matt Jones functions. It's just that organization is doing it right. They have been doing it right for a long time, and it's been impressive to watch. As for the Eagles, very, very frustrating season. Very, very frustrating season. Defensively, played great, and they, I mean, I know this game, they want some plays back, but all in all, the defense played outstanding all year. They overcame so much. They got better. If you look at the difference of what that defense has paid, I think it's the lowest paid defense in the NFL, and their production, it is absolutely insane. And a lot of that's because a lot of those guys are young. Players that they have brought in, Vic Fangio, that entire staff over there, and defense has done a phenomenal job. Phenomenal job. Offensively, it's been the thing that everybody's been up in arms about, and I get it. I really do. The expectations should be much higher than what they put out this season. I know I made some comments on Monday Night Football. I do love Kevin Petullo. I'm not trying to absolve Kevin Petullo of blame. Like, obviously, they let go of Kevin today as the offensive coordinator. Well, I guess Tuesday, as you're seeing it, yesterday, and of course, like, the offense wasn't up to the task this year. It regressed. And the main reason it regressed, and I've been saying this from the beginning, was the run game. The offensive line's inability to stay healthy altogether, to open up holes. Saquon Barkley was almost at the NFL record for rushing last year. Insane. All right? They were incredible in the run game. And the passing game, they struggled. They struggled last year. I mean, there was all sorts of things happening last season that we like to forget because we won the Super Bowl. But the passing game has been an issue for multiple seasons now. Now the running game isn't there. Why isn't it there? The offensive line is in and out. They're hurt. Guys are overcoming injuries. They're not playing the same way they've played in the past. You have a quarterback that's not running as much. Jalen Hurts, the threat of him running the ball opens up so much for the running back when they have to truly respect. And it also opens up things downfield. And they never, I know everybody likes to talk about the predictability. And to be honest, yes, I would love to see more creative things. I love watching the trick plays. I love, as much as I didn't love watching it in the game, you know, the trick play to McCaffrey was an awesome play, right? I like watching the creativeness. I like, I would love to see more motions. I would love to see all that stuff. That being said, we had plays to make in that game. I keep coming back to that. But when it came, when it comes down to it, not talking about the fourth down play, the 49ers had their opportunities to win the game and we had ours and we didn't capitalize on ours. We didn't capitalize on the catches and the throws and the penalties that took back big plays. It was similar to how the whole season has gone. So it's a frustrating way to end it. Uh, not that surprising with how they just were never able to get in a lot of it fixed. That's yeah. You know, I don't know where they're going to go offensively. I think sometimes it's when you have success as a group and you have success as an offense, you tend to rely on that. Like AJ Brown on a slant route has been automatic for four years. It doesn't matter what you do. Like, it's like, how do you, you can't stop it. He's too big. He's too physical this year. All that stuff just didn't work as well. It would probably behoove the Eagles to bring in somebody with a fresh perspective on where it's at currently. Cause when you're in it, you're thinking about what you've done well in the past. You're thinking about how you've had success. It's like, man, I know this guy can do this. I know this can happen here. Yeah. When you bring in somebody else, it's like, man, this is where we're at now. And now we can bring in some fresh ideas. We can figure out a way to maximize things while keeping that nucleus together. Of course. Yeah. I mean, I don't think it needs to be anything actually that drastic. I think we probably want somebody who's been proven offensively as a successful coach and he can come. And, and, and look at things under a new lens with a lot of similar pieces. Well, the big, the big, uh, you know, topic right now is that fourth down call. And we know that Devante missed the, the past, uh, on that third and 11, they didn't get lined up fast enough or, um, they were waiting to see what the defense might've shown to call a timeout and get the right play call going into that fourth down. And they ended up going with what everybody's saying online for vertical. Which is those of you that don't know football knowledge, it's a play that everybody has ran their entire lives. Like we ran that at Heights and we ran it at Cincinnati. We ran it every offense. It's day one type stuff. And I think that's getting thrown up too low as like, that's like, that's not the play call that needs to be called right there. If it works, it is the play call to be had right there. And I think that it's, it's tough because yeah, it's cover four. That's not the best look versus. It's cover four, but every play that you call has an answer. Yeah. And it's up to those players on the field to be able to make it shake no matter what. Yeah. And, um, and I think, you know, it's easy to point fingers at the end of the game, uh, when you're on your last dollar, you're on your last play, you're on the, this is your last chance to, to make it right. No. And you had a whole fourth quarter, you had a whole four quarters to try and get that win. And it's just, it's, it's a crazy, it's a crazy, you know, scenario. And you're not going to be able to make it. You're not going to be able to make it. You're not going to make it. they fly around dude it is so fucking fun to watch them now they've uh they got to be ready though man because i mean as much as we love to see how that team has played throughout the season and in big moments to feel like they're ready for these big moments playoff football is playoff football man it is just a different beast and you got to kind of have an understanding what you're getting yourself into so it's exciting to see uh but sam darnold's a crafty vet at this point uh knows how to win some ball games and um i'm excited to see uh see next week's matchup man i am too man i think yeah rams bears freaking 49ers seahawks all both of those games are going to be awesome to watch and uh we watched a great game against the bills and jags jags almost pulled it off they were like that that seattle jew they had the juice internally yeah and they had the excitement they had they come up big and big times throughout the season but playoff football it just felt like it was a great game and it was a great game and it was a great game and it was a great the bills had a little bit more uh i don't know just had a little bit more the other day man and you know i think josh being in these moments before yeah i think that's a big part of it huge part of it yeah yeah and this is what everybody keeps saying i mean they i know josh gets a lot of the attention for the bills because he's the quarterback and he's the guy that's the biggest name left in the playoffs but i do i i know they beat the jags and it's a great win for the bills i just i worry that this defense at some point and that josh i mean the the weapons they have offensively outside of the run game and cook it's not that significant and like how much can josh really get done now they got it done this week against the jags i'm always rooting for josh i love that guy but i don't know we'll see this will be a big one this week through for 308 and got that thing out to damn near everybody on the fucking offensive side of the ball nine different bills caught a caught a pass and including brandy cooks who's only been on the roster since november so he's seen the field well man well he's seen the field what are the bill what are they going to do against a houston make plays it may make plays dude i don't know man i just feel like they're going to struggle to get people open josh is a big dude and he's he makes plays as a quarterback it's just it you know whether it's just breaking an arm tackle you know getting out of these sacks you know that's huge getting out of the pocket making the defense have to play that extra you know six seconds yeah i wasn't i wasn't really talking about this week i was more just talking about like if they beat the broncos yeah if they play houston they're not going to do anything well the broncos are so weird man sometimes teams will freaking sneak up on them number one team is going to sneak up on them no i'm saying sometimes teams sneak up on the broncos oh yeah i hear you their defense is really really good but every once in a while it's like i don't know houston's defense is like fucking insane like across the board it's about as legit as as it gets right now and the broncos are really good as well that's why it's playoff football baby it's the best there is the best there is patriots charge is not that exciting but patriots came out 16-3 uh everybody was looking for herbert to take that that next step man uh drops to 0-3 in the playoffs huge uh herbert fan over here um and it's he was trying to make plays with his feet but it just uh at the end of the day just didn't go well for him there were a few uh what was it four downs that they came up short on they've been so banged up up front they've lost both of their their star tackles he was back there getting fucking rocked i don't know yeah i don't know what you want the guy to do we've seen it before but at the same time it's like man he's he's a fearless competitor and yeah my my guy milton williams is running around unblocked i mean it's they've had to try and overcome that all year and it's a testament to them to even be here with some of the pieces that they've been missing up front and how good that defense is as well jesse menard there's a lot of credit for what he's built over there as well as someone who played both of these teams what do you think of that matchup broncos got to show up in the first half not that they didn't against us i'm just saying like they're they're notorious right now for finding ways to win at the end of the game they have to show up in the first half it's just you can't win in the playoffs by not winning in the first half you can't win in the playoffs by not winning in the playoffs by not by like not putting together four quarters unless you're caleb whoops i stand corrected i think the bills being a veteran team kind of trumps some of that you got to play all four quarters against the bills yeah you know you can't you can't let josh allen get up there he's a he's a tempo controller you know what i mean and he'll for sure and he'll he'll absolutely wear you down as a quarterback man both in the pass game and run game and he's starting to make like over the past like three four years he's been making the right decision you know what i mean i you know making plays bonix comes out throwing the ball downfield early being confident in it and in his read this is going to be a hell of a fucking game yeah and uh and that's what i'm hoping for and if you're denver man you got to wrap that dude up man you got to find a way to not let josh allen get break tackles and get outside the pocket and and not only uh make plays with his feet but make plays with his arm outside of the pocket because that's when you you can really get fucking torched well the other game that we had this past week and the uh the texans steelers game i was at that one score 30 to 6 looks way more severe than what that game was for the vast majority of it which was a defensive battle between both teams the texans are just so loaded across the board like pittsburgh's front is incredible the texans like every level of that defense has dogs all across it it does tamiko ryans and matt burke the defensive coordinator have them playing physical if cj stroud can stay composed and poised this team could be the best team in the afc that's the reality of it like last night against pittsburgh it's kind of all in his hands right now man dude i don't want to put it on him and i think cj is a great player but it's like dude this is a year where it's like dude just freaking you got some you got some guys over there you got some dogs don't make mistakes your running back ran last night holy shit yeah mark he was getting down fucking hill when you got that kind of physical game and you're getting pockets like he was getting man yeah it's it's all on it's all on the big guy man and obviously we're we're huge fans of him i've had my uh had my opportunities to meet the guy great guy and great player even better guy on top of that and he's just it's all in his hands right now the way that defense is playing listen it's going to be texans versus new england we're going to see the young quarterback that everybody likes including me drake may up in new england face the best defense in the nfl yeah i can't wait to watch this game i really can't i i points are going to be at a premium in this one i don't know where it's going to go uh and uh it'll be fun to see between cj and drake may who can get it done i don't know man this texans defense so that's what i'm the most excited to watch even bigger news than uh than the texans beating the steelers is mike tomlin stepping away okay tomlin stepping down means the steelers will retain his trading rights uh he was not fired that's interesting the most recent coach that was traded was sean payton yeah yeah he was for a first and second round pick i didn't see that this is all news to me i forgot coaches were even tradable do you remember the the one that happened in our childhood that i was like that ended up being crazy uh wait for it you got it you got it wait for it another another guy that did tv for a long time bill cower no john gruden john gruden was famously traded from the oakland raiders to the tampa bay buccaneers i did not know that and then he went back to the raiders he won a super bowl and he won the super bowl and he won and then at some point went back i think it was to the i think the trade happened before the super bowl which was from oakland to tampa bay pretty sure we're doing this are we doing this podcast is anybody listening he was traded sorry snacking he was traded to uh the bucks and then met the raiders in the super bowl yeah it was the year after but he went back to the raiders after i'm just making sure it was he did monday night football for like 10 years and then went back to the raiders yeah i mean it'll be interesting to see what happens to mike t hopefully he does great in tv which i'm not sure about but i'm not sure about it but i'm not sure about it but i'm not sure he will because he's unbelievable charisma baby no doubt moving to the divisional round which one you pumped to see the most bills at broncos on cbs we got the niners at the seahawks up there and the land of the twelves on fox um and then sunday those are both two saturday games and then sunday we got texans patriots rams at bears on sunday night football yeah i mean the game i'm the most excited for is the game i'm going to actually be at which is going to be the texans patriots game and i do think it'll be a game that'll be full of excitement i do i'm looking forward to may versus this texans defense to see how he responds and how he operates he's been incredible he's been poised it's gonna be hard to be poised against these guys two defensive touchdowns against the steelers man the one that i'm not going to that i am excited to watch is chicago versus the rams i think it's going to be an exciting one i also just like watching both those teams play like i like sean mcfay i like ben johnson i like watching all the design i like puka nakua i like watching caleb williams i mean it's it's it's a lot of things that will lend itself to just being a fun game to watch i'm sure i'm fucking pumped on this bills broncos game i'm so pumped that it's the first one we get to fucking see it's gonna be on cbs on saturday josh and bo nicks kind of play the game similar in my eyes you know obviously two completely different athletes bo is he's every bit of exciting especially in his early years because he still hasn't reached that that pinnacle yet and he and this is an opportunity where he's going to be a part of the game and he's going to be a part of the game and he can kind of start to cement his name among the the best quarterbacks in the league man and i'm fucking i'm excited to see that matchup yeah that wraps up bold topics 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Oh yeah. she killed it she was doing great i mean i know she got eliminated but i was so proud of her man she looked like she was having a blast enjoying it all there and for all of you that don't know our mother uh just did traitors and uh she was the first ever secret traitor that the show has ever had um and uh yeah showed everybody what she what she's got and it was just so cool to see her in this moment and shout out to my guy ron funches uh for for you know sticking by her side and and being kind to her um kind of got through for a loop uh it kind of i'm sure it did he probably felt a little a certain way after he found out that she was the secret traitor um but she uh she got eliminated uh in the uh early episodes but man it was just so fun to see her out there living out her dream giving the world a beautiful message about you know you know being fortunate enough to to do these things at her age and where she is in life and it's just so cool to see her uh live in that moment man i agree no she i thought she would did fantastic like i know she was eliminated but i think it's it's really hard to go into those shows as like an outsider that you become like an easy target to try and uh maneuver in that show so yeah i thought mom did a great job i loved watching her in it i thought she was way more deceitful and and devious than i thought mom could ever be which was surprising that's that too she was she stood her ground at the round table oh yeah and it was just it was just so cool to see and uh shout out to everybody on this uh this traders i'm gonna stamp some uh some kids because who doesn't love stamping kids that are getting into fisticuffs together let's take a look at this hockey fight that's been making the rounds i don't know if you guys have seen it 92 percenters but who doesn't love a good hockey fight to begin with oh look at these kids getting getting after it in the corner you you're fucking you messing with my boy i love this come here oh they 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the lord has blessed us to be podcasting with the one and only yes the greatest w eater in the world no man i'm grateful to be here with y'all man no just just y'all aura y'all essence in the fact that y'all y'all are changing cultures and generations as brothers man united uh through y'all y'all work on the field y'all work off the field man it's truly inspiring so thank you thank you so much bro you have inspired the entire nfl you are notorious for your speeches for your game it's uh it's been so cool to just see your your career transpire to where you are today and just see you just like full of life you know what i mean this nfl world could beat you up man you just keep you know fueling everybody with the energy uh and you and i just love it man i appreciate just who you are as a man so thank you thank you for jumping on here dog we're about to have some fun though man you told us earlier you're on the norma text dog is the body feeling good the body is feeling great man i just you know my one of my one of my ogs and quimbo and he always said it's better to stay in shape then get out of shape then try to get back in it man so i'm always staying on top of my body ever since you shared that with me you gotta say you you know that y'all both in the trenches you know i'm saying i get to sit back and and throw the ball because of you jason and i get to throw the ball to guys like you so so y'all in the trenches so y'all obviously gotta stay on top of y'all body but it's the least you can do man that one percent every day is so important i gotta ask you did you catch wild card weekend this past week man you know i did all right a lot of young quarterbacks yada a lot of young quarterbacks who impresses you or who impressed you the most this first weekend man i gotta go with drake you know it's because like okay josh matt they did it in the time when they're supposed to do it like they know when the ball is in their hand at the end of the game you guys are franchise quarterbacks you have to come through but i just think the consistency of the game is so important and i think that's what i'm gonna see that drake may has played with this entire year has been impressive right like especially like his his offensive coordinator just got fired last year you know his head coach you know was was they parted ways a year before and he's coming onto this tour my brave boy i got a chance to spend some time with him in cleveland you know didn't know you know he was from cleveland for him to go there right with a young quarterback after the year that drake had the the year prior and to have them in the position that they in now bro it's like with all the cloud the great clouds that's been around that that team this year and the quarterback still shows up and shows out man and gives that team a chance to win against a tough defense now like the la chargers is a tough defense right and like you know you see a lot of young quarterbacks winning like those those big games where they throw for four touchdowns and you know but very very few very rarely are you seeing quarterbacks in this generation winning the games where things ain't going right early yeah you don't He's playing four quarters of football, you know, And that's what it's really about, you know. It ain't just the splash plays here, splash plays there. But Drake May, man, he continues to impress me. I love it. I love it. You brought something up there I want to just touch on. You brought up, you know, he's got a new offensive coordinator. How many offensive coordinators have you played for, James? One, two, three, four. Four to five, man. Yeah. Four to five, maybe six or seven. Six, seven. You know, I need to stop doing that. There we go. But a lot, bro, a lot. So, you've been in a bunch of different systems. Can you tell when an offensive coordinator is just dealing in a play call? I know what it feels like in the run game where it's like, man, it just feels like it's all clicking. What's that like as a quarterback? Like, can you tell during the week? It's like, oh, we got some things designed for these guys coming up. Or is it like an in-the-game moment where you're just like, oh, no, he's rattled them off? I think this is the sense. And I know you guys know this because you're offensive guys. Like, when we go out there and execute the first 15, like, okay, we know. We got them. Like, we're supposed to execute that. Yeah. What shows me if we're really dialing it up is when the coach pulls something that was installed in OTAs. Yeah. And I'm in a hold. I'm just like, hey, give me all right, you know, 37, whatever. Yeah. And it hits. And we're like, oh, yeah. He in his bag. Yeah. I know that one on the install. Yes. And it's a feel, right? Like, you know when a guy has a feel or if a guy is just like, I'm just calling what's on his play sheet, right? I'm not looking at what the defense is actually doing. I'm calling what's on the play sheet. And I think one of the best play callers that I experienced was Sean Payton. And he had this feel because he played one. He played the position. I played with two guys that played three, three, because Sean, Ken Dorsey, and Byron Lefkowitz. Yeah. He did this thing in Tampa, too. There we go, Byron. Yeah. And we had some historical. Yeah. Like a very historical year. But back to Sean and Byron. They had the ability to sense what was going on, what actually was happening in the game, not what we scouted out during the week, you know, not their tendencies. But they saw what the defense was doing. And they were able to say, OK, I know what they're doing. We're doing this. And it hits. Yeah. You know, and that's a beautiful, beautiful feeling as offense. Hell, yeah. I could not agree more. I love you saying, you know, ripping a play that isn't on the game plan. You haven't practiced all week. But you. It's one of those ones that you've you've you repped it in OTAs. You should know how to do this against every defense. So it's like, why not? Like, if you think it's there, don't waste any time. Who the hell cares was on our second and ten play calls? Like, just freaking rip that one out. One thing I always like when I talk to office coordinators, like, why do you see the McVeigh's and people like that that literally run the Andy Reid's that run the same play over and over again? If the defense can't stop it. Yeah. And then you have guys where it's like, hey, well, we already showed that. so did it work did that play just work yeah so we're saying in this one game this all this is the only time we get to run this play against this team because we know we ain't gonna carry it over the next week because you say we already ran it once yeah like why not run the most the play that's been working for us i hear you you know and and i think as an officer coordinator i i you know i got a lot of respect for them for them to to to have that much confidence in their feedback that they don't want to run the play that this just worked i gotta ask you on the flip side though have you ever you ever been in the huddle you just hear a play call and you just know like man i don't know about this one man there's a pretty big down right here at the game i don't know i can't hear you i can't hear you all right boys that's what we're gonna do those moments have came up but like i'm i'm a persuasive person you know you got those people they were the they they write the narratives you know they write the persuasive essays like where they write the derogatory as i'm a persuasive essay writer okay so when the play is getting called into me even if it sounds like straight poo i gotta make it sound good to everybody else you know what i'm saying because i'm one of those guys like i'm i'm a believer in like i'm obsessed with it like okay we put in the work like i if the play is poo i get it i come to the sidelines you're like please don't call that again but if you call it like i'm gonna find a way yeah it's been numerous eclipse that i've seen you jason have to change your protection it ain't no way we slide away from this guy right here and it's been thousands of plus while i see you travis know your life supposed to have a simple sale right and what you do you feel zoned and you just want to hit her a little bit right now you know but that's what it is it's it's not just capability it's the capacity the capacity to know like this is the right thing to do like i i i know what i'm what i'm gonna get here so i'm capable and i got the capacity enough of the work that i put in that i'm gonna make the right decision i'm gonna help this coach be a better coach there you go i'm just doing whatever you want me to do jamis that's all i'm doing i'm sitting there i see i'm sitting with you i know you want me to hook it up right there i know you want me to hook it up and that's why that's why you win that's why you win a lot speaking of uh your old coach uh sean payton his and bow nicks are rolling right now man they're rolling right now they got the bills coming in hot now now watching sean payton's offense this year i don't know if you've seen a lot of it on on film and just been peeking at what they got going over there in denver but can you see similarities and stuff he's transferred over or is this like a whole new world because bow nicks is he's just a different type of quarterback well bow bow bow is from alabama so i got a lot of respect for him and he can do it all right but but sean has really been in his bag this year man the the amount of plays that he's been able to move the pocket for bow the amount of yards that they've been able to create on the perimeter by just getting the ball out of bow's hand and letting the receivers get yak after that sean is a situational guru and i have to commend bow on this bow probably hasn't had the most efficient first second and third quarter this year he had he was way more efficient uh last year uh as as a rook but in the fourth quarter he and sean have been able to move the pocket for bow the amount of yards that they've been able to create and have been finding ways to win the freaking game and i think that is what and that's what i'm talking about these young quarterbacks with bow and drake may like yeah okay you can win the game well you could tell like people put the quarterbacks game managers right like but at the end of the day when it's third and seven and you know the defense is gonna be a man right you still have to make the throw like it's not gonna be oh you manage the game like just check the ball here no you still have to make the play and bow nicks have been making the plays for the denver broncos to win games oh yeah you're speaking bro you're speaking truth to me right now jason's got on rants about this already well not even just like bow nicks and drake but caleb last week right against the packers why does a quarterback all of a sudden become more accurate on harder throw i want to ask you this why is the quarterback all of a sudden more accurate on harder throws is there like a sense of like i know i gotta put this in and you like lock in more or is it just like that's the way this guy's wired it's the rouse on air effect right like some quarterbacks i would say this sam raffer was the most accurate quarterback i ever seen in my life okay all right there we go seven on seven there were not there was not you were there with him oh yeah there was not a ball that touched the ground yes yes right but once you get into a game like the anticipatory throw throw that you make it with pressure in your face unorthodox movements i think patrick is elite at this being able to throw the ball and be accurate from a different angle that's just god-given talent and that's just that it factor that caleb williams possesses where like he likes chaos more than he likes stillness and peace seriously that's what it looks like no no seriously it's almost like it's like boring to him like he's got all right i got a comeback route and then all of a sudden he sails it but then all of a sudden he's running to his left on fourth down and he puts the ball in like a freaking four by four window down the field it's insane because it's no thinking there's no thinking to that right when a guy's wide open man we have to think well oh my goodness i can't miss this oh it's too late yeah no but when but when it's fourth down oh that fourth and eighth throw that he made moving to the left there's no i have no other choice so so it's either gonna look amazing or it's gonna look bad you know and and iconically like he's made these plays against a similar opponent right because at the end of the season when they played green bay in his fourth quarter was amazing like it's just something to a quarterback being able to not turn it on but fall back into their training i have to ask you this man it takes it takes guys to have the most ridiculous backstory the one of the best careers ever to get a 30 for 30 like in their in their 50s when it's all said and done and everybody's looking back you literally have a 30 for 30 30 times and 30 how crazy was that year and the roller coaster ups and down you were out there firing it man well travis bro again i had a coordinator right byron leftwich and and one bruce arians we go way back bro i'm talking about like little league football not literally but like middle school football like he used to have these camps in birmingham alabama right because his son was a kicker at uab uh uab in birmingham i think cincinnati played against him oh yeah but he's had these camps so i knew bruce and i knew his mentality of the, you know, the no risk and no biscuit. - No risk and no biscuit. - And bro, and like, And I took that because I love Bruce. I took that to heart, bro. Like, so I was going, I got Mike Evans. I got Chris Godwin. I had a young OJ. Like, we're going to let this ride. Like, we got too much talent to be holding on to the football, you know. Unfortunately, the ball ended up in the defense hands too much, you know. And, you know, that still sit with me. But, you know, that was a contract year for me, man. And that was one of the most up and down years off the field that I had in my life too, man. I just asked my wife to marry me, man. And I was doing this freaking celibacy thing. Like, literally refraining from sex, man. Bro, like, my parents were talking to me about shacking. Like, in the South, shacking is like when you're living with your significant other, you know, in a house. Like, we had to eliminate that, bro. I literally bought a property and stayed away, you know, from my house. You know what I'm saying? You were wound up back there in the pocket, man. It was so much going. It was so much going on, bro. Don't take a black light into that house, you know, dude. It was the first year. And you guys know, it was the first year in my life that my dad, my dad wasn't coming to any of my football games, bro. His brother, my uncle, had passed. He was going through some things with COVID. And my grandmother passed a year before. So, he was, my dad was dealing with some things, man. So, just spiritually of the family, like, we just were going through it. And I was having a great game. Well, I was having, you know, a not so great game. And it was coincided with what was happening off the field. And that's why when I talk to these young athletes, I ask them, like, man, what are you consistently doing outside of the building, too? Because if you are consistently being up and down outside of the building, it's going to come on the field. It's going to come a time and a place where, and the players, we can see, our teammates can see it better than anybody. You can see when somebody is locked in. And when somebody is going through something. And I'm the person where, like, I'm obsessed with it. So, I'm overly locked in. I'm trying to go overboard. I'm trying to make every throw because of what I'm dealing with off the field as well. I got my first coordinator that's played the game, like, played Byron Lefkowitz. Man, he dialing it up. He's doing his thing, man. I mean, we broke records, right? Yes. And I'm trying to impress him. I got Bruce Arians, a guy that… That showed me my very first Super Bowl ring, right? And I'm doing everything that he's telling me to do, right? And, like, I tell everybody, man, go back and check the tape. I told them at the end, check the tape. See how many… No, see how many of those interceptions was really, like, joint efforts. We were installing a lot of those plays in Philly. We were watching a lot of Jameis Winston that year. He was like, man, look what this dude's doing down here. You know what I mean? We were electric, right? We were electric. And, obviously, everyone knows, like, okay. We were electric. We were electric. Offensively, we got to take the most… Make the most of our possessions, right? Because it hurts everybody. It hurts everybody. Offensive line, when we drive the ball down the field, and boom, you throw a pick. The thing is about this, interceptions do hurt, right? But how we were growing as a team was so inspiring to see. Our defense… Our defense wasn't lights out at the beginning of the year. But toward the end of the year, they just were like, hey, Jameis, I got your back. Like, we got you. We know you're going to let it fly. Like, we got your back. I'm going to go get you one, J. Carlton Davis is like, okay, I'll lock it down. Like, that started to happen. And then, you know, boom, poof. They get Tom Brady to win the Super Bowl next year. It was going to happen with me, but they decided to get Tom Brady to make it seem like it was him that did it. And Gronk, and AB, and Leonard Fournette, and Tristan Wood. I'm going to stop. The team really was a super team. You brought up advice you have for young quarterbacks. You're with a young quarterback right now in New York. What's it been like operating with Jackson Dart? In your role within the Giants? Obviously, you're doing great. You're in the player engagement room right now. I love this. Talk about commitment. We're like, what, three weeks into the offseason? Most people are, what, Hawaii right now? My man's in the freaking player engagement room. But it's the vision of, okay, like, man, I done had a lot of short seasons, right? I only been in the playoffs once. But through this entire reign, I'm just like, man, like, what can I do from an obsessive state? To stay engaged. Like, I'm going to keep training. I'm going to keep preparing. Like, I want to play and win in the Super Bowl. So I'm not going to be out the building. I'm not taking the trips to Cabo, like, right after the season. Now, if somebody got a job for me, I'm going to make some money for my family. You know, I'm going to do that. You know, but, like, bro, like, I love this. Like, it's still football season. Do you know how painful it is? And, Travis, you got to deal with this some this year because it's been a long time since you and Jason, you dealt with a lot, you know, last year of you, you know, deciding to stop playing. How, when you put in everything, man, and you started from OTAs and, like, you know, these teams have a one-year lifespan. And then just out of nowhere, everything just stops. The preparation, the sweat equity, the togetherness, it just stops, man. So that hurts. So I try my best to just try to do as much as I can with what I have and assimilate me preparing for the Super Bowl. But let's talk about. Let's talk about Jackson Dart, man. Come on now. You know, you know, when a dog walk in the room. You know when a dog walk in the room, man. So, see, first, when he first stepped foot in this building, man, he's been a dog, you know. And I just really value, like, his work ethic. Like, yeah, I wish I could have seen just the sweat equity he was put in with Brian Dable. And I know Dave's got fired, man. But, like, those guys were tied at the hip. Like, because he. He is obsessed with football. That's awesome, man. And anybody that's coming in to be our head coach, you got to know that you got a guy that wants to win. He's going to win because he's special. But he's obsessed. And this day and age, man, you got people that are more. They're more worried about what they get from football than focus on what they can do for football. Yeah. Man, I like that. You know, like, it's that old JFK quote. Let's not. What your country can do for you. That's what you can do for your country. Yeah. That's the type of kid he is. Like, his family he comes from is just a great, wholesome family, man. He's just. He loves football. He's a dog. I'm just trying to work with him about calculated risk because he'll run over a safety or a cornerback. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Any time. It's been a few times. Yeah. You already know. You see those collisions, man. Look, linebackers and D linemen. Look, we not talking no smack to no D linemen. Because your office line got to pay for that. And we're not trying to run over no linebackers. Unless it's fourth down or the end zone. Can't take them on thick. You got to roll. You got to roll a little bit when you hit them. You can't just take them on straight. You got to jack up your AC joints, man. But I'd rather a young quarterback be bouted than be scared. No, for sure. I'd rather save the ball than go. It sounds for sure. Dude, there was. I'm so glad you said it. I don't want to talk trash to the D line. Because that office line got to feel that. I still remember getting ready for an NFC championship game. And my man Brandon Graham's in there. And he's talking so much trash to Dexter Lawrence. I'm like, bro, will you shut the hell up? I got to wipe this dude. I ain't trying to rub this dude up. What are you doing over here, BG? But I'm riding with my dog. But I got to ask you this. You just said your goal is to win a Super Bowl. What are you doing to realize that goal? What's it going to take for Jameis Winston to get to a Super Bowl? Obviously, there's a team and all that stuff. But everything that you can control. What are you doing? Yeah, the biggest thing that I'm doing is speaking life into my teammates. Because a lot of these young guys, new generation guys, they look. They look for affirmations and stuff that let them know that, okay, I'm where I belong. You have reassurance. And that's the simple thing I'm doing is being impeccable with my word. Because it starts with one. It starts with a plan. And my plan is to be impeccable with my word, be a man of increase in the building so everybody can attract that. And then they go out and do it out there on the field. The second thing is just me doing what I love. I love playing football, man. Me going out there and working. And hopefully, they see me working when I invite them to come get some of this extra work for the betterment of both of us, they join me. And that starts with just culture. We're building that we're going to go the extra mile. We're building that we're willing and able to do anything for some success. And the third thing, which really should be the first thing, is just instilling faith into my teammates, man. They're like, they're here for a reason. This ain't no coincidence that they're here for a reason. It's so challenging to see these confident, moxie, young athletes just not really believe, not believe in something that's bigger than them, man. Amen. And that's just what I take pride in because I know how it is to be trying to please a man, trying to please somebody else, man. But it is nothing that competes with knowing that I fight from victory and not for victory for what God and what Christ has did for me. Right? And me instilling just those kingdom values, kingdom morals in them, it's going to at least help them be a better man when they get off the field. And one thing my trainer always say, you know, being a better football player would never make you a better man, but being a better man will make you a better football player. So that is what, that's my impact. You're going right into coaching, Jameis. You got too many in the bag. I want to come out of, I want to come out of that. You got me wanting to go strap it back up right now. But it's sweat equity. Like you, you put it in that sweat equity, man. You know what it is to win Superbowl. You guys are Superbowl champions. And, you know, is those little things like I haven't been privileged to be a part of that. But y'all have. So y'all know that one percent that you put in. Like my question is to y'all is like, how do you how do you continue to reciprocate that? How do you allow that message to just have a great vibrational frequency and not be stopped by by people that don't have that mindset? Because every year you guys done it on multiple teams. So you've done it with new guys. It's not like college where you got dynasties and all this stuff. You guys have found a way to win with multiple guys. So how do y'all what's y'all approach for welcoming and inviting other people that don't have the mentality that you have is not cut from the same cloth as you and transforming them into being Super Bowl champions? You want to start with you've already hit everything that that I could even, you know, bring to the table is you just got to you got to show everybody you love this shit, man. And you've got to show it every single day by your attention to detail. By how you show up to work your energy when you walk in the building is my hood on or is my hood off and I'm ready to rock and roll and I'm looking everybody in the eyes and I'm like, you ready to get this shit you ready to see this install you ready to get after it today. And just having that sense of urgency and that integrity to come in to do something that you absolutely love. And, you know, not everybody plays the game for the same reason. I understand that. But when you show up with that integrity and that work ethic, like it's it's staying true more than. That the guys will fight will find that as as as something they want to be a part of and they'll see how you're doing and they'll they'll they'll look themselves in the mirror and want to do even more, you know, and that's really the biggest thing is setting that culture from the top down and making sure that everybody's doing that from from, you know, the coaches to the players to the first guy or the guys that are on the field to the guys on the practice squad. Everybody's everybody's got to have that love and desire every single time and alertness. And the attention to detail as they walk into the field. Thank you to our sponsor, Liquid IV. It's no secret that we have insanely busy schedules between podcasting, game days, workouts, meetings, family events, sitting on the couch. There's never enough hours in the day to get it all done. And trying to stay on top of your game when you're running on empty. That's rough. I can attest to that. That is where I'm at right now. 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Cam is from Sacramento, California. What? I did not think that. Okay. Never heard of him. Never in the world think that this man is from Sacramento, California. Would have never made the connection. Yeah. And that, that puzzling that y'all had in your eyes is exactly how I was puzzled when I saw him. Man, when I tell you, look, so I was watching Lilo and Stitch with the kids, right? And you know how like Lilo is in this other land, but you know, he steals the ship to escape that land because he about to go to prison or whatever. And he just finds his way on the earth. Yeah. That's what Cam Scataboo is. He is from, he is from a football kingdom somewhere else. And somebody just dropped his crazy ass on earth. This is so good, man. And said, go run that peel. Because that is how, that is how he plays, man. He plays with a passion and a desire to kill, to hunt. And when you, bro, look, this is what got me. So I told, I told Scat, you know, I was one of them. We had these conversations, you know, we had Russ in the room and, and Jackson, he's young. Just bless him. Yeah. He said, you know, Cam, you know, Scat is about the same size, size as Marshawn Litch. And Russ, Russ, Russ gave, Russ gave him a little, he said, he said, he said, Marshawn's thigh is the same size as Cam Scataboo. Listen, and I, I, I doubled down. I was like, yeah, I was like, Jackson, I don't know if he, come on now, you can't, you can't be small. Like he, he told that rock, he tough, but come on, he ain't the same size. Man, when he played, when we played against Kansas City. And him. And Nick Bolton met in that hole. And you know, Bolton built like a refrigerator truck. He is grounded. He is put together. Three trunk. And when he ran over Nick Bolton in that hole, I said, okay, this white boy right here is something serious. I gotta ask him about that. I said, he right here, he is something serious. I don't know if he ran him over, but he took it to him. No, either way, I gotta, I gotta ask him about it. You know, I gotta hear it. Like it was, it was, it was a statement where I was just like, man, he's fearless, you know? And, and immediately, you know, people started giving him names, Peyton Ellis, Mike Allstott. Yeah. They white watching it. Yeah. They, no, no, man, he is toting that pill. I, I say it, not the size, but like Earl Campbell, man, he putting his head in there, man. Yeah. And he going through guys, man, like Bo Jackson, like he don't got the speed like Bo, but I'm just saying, man, he is putting his head down and falling forward, bro. Yes. Like, and Jason, you, you respect this. It's a difference when the running back can give you three. Yeah. And when a running back can make three turn into seven, that's big time, man, because you know, in the fourth quarter, that seven going to turn into 12 and then 12 is going to eventually be a breakout run for us to, to really step on a neck. Yes. And that is what he gave us. And I, and honestly, y'all talked about Jackson and we talked about the hits he took, but having a running back like that is what took some of those hits off of Jackson. Yeah. Right. Because Jackson felt that he had to bring that to the team. Yeah. That's what Cam was for this team. He was that enforcer, a younger force that was confident, like one of the funnest stories, man. Like, so against the Eagles, when it was when they Kelly green, I love that Kelly green. Oh my God. It's one of the most beautiful, beautiful Jersey in the world. Whew. Okay. We're playing against the Eagles and he runs a little choice routes, man. And he, he gets ragged with Zach bond, falling on his ankle and he fractures his angle. Yep. Man. Greg van Ron is out there trying to help him up. And he says, scat. Was it? He's like, help me up. He's like, he's like, I don't think so. Like your ankle is going. He said, but the guys, I got it. Like, and that's the toughness that he possesses, man. So he is from a different planet, bro. With his, with his passion, his enthusiasm and really is his love for football. Y'all it's crazy. It oozes out of a man. One more thing from this past year. Um, you kind of did your best version of a tight end impersonation here this season. Can we pull up this clip? Can we pull up this highlight? What's going on in your head? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, you kind of did your best version of a tight end impersonation here. This season. What's going on in your head when this play gets called in, when you're running it, like give us the start to start to finish the start, the finish was, I just hope he'd give me a chance. When they talk about giving, giving number one receivers and the number one tight is the ball. All you gotta do is give him a chain. No risk it. No biscuit, baby. And when we see this double reverse pass. When I, when I toss him this pill, I'm just like, man, I know I'm about to score a touchdown, right? I've been waiting on this moment my whole life. And as I run down that sideline, I throw my hand up. Oh, he Randy Boston. And that is called attacking the football. And that's called rap. With the filet at the end. It's incredible. It's incredible. Oh, my God. I was waiting for that moment. Hey, that was good eyes by that D lineman. He really was a linebacker, but he can't guard me. Nah, he can't tackle you either. Oh, man, that was fucking electric, man. I wish I was the commentator, the media person to ask, you know, the defensive coordinator about, you know, hey, coach, you know, what do you think when the New York football Giants did that wide receiver pass and went, well, you know, it doesn't matter what you think. Put a rock on them, you know what I'm saying? Just let them know it don't matter. Oh, my gosh, man. Did you know where the camera was? Did you feel the camera over there? It is pure cinema. It is one of my favorite clips of all time, man, because you definitely don't expect you to be able to make a play, come back to the ball. Then you give them the ha-ha in the field, shake them, get them off you, come into the end zone, finger roll, get excited with the teammates, and then just right into the camera. It is so epic every time I watch it. I got the confirmation from my boy in Detroit, Devin Funches. He's from Detroit. Shout out to Devin Funches. I said, hey, man, like when I scored a touchdown, like I really want to hit a dance. He said, you know, with a key of Detroit. He said, do the boss up on him. I said, all right. So in the night meal, I'm talking to, we got Nick Jones, who played for Kansas City, who's also from Detroit. Oh, yeah. He done brought everybody some wings, right, from Detroit, this wing spot. So I'm chewing on some wings, you know. I said, hey, Nick. He said, yeah. I said, man, what about this dance right here? When I score a touchdown tomorrow, I'm going to do this dance. So I show him the dance. He said, oh, yeah. He said, yeah, the city really going to love that. So I had to put on for the city, man. Did the boss up, man? I was grateful for that. God damn, dude. That shit was epic, man. I appreciate y'all. I got to ask you, as an Eagle, you played us twice this year. Season just ended. A lot of questions about the offense. I mean, I know you didn't probably watch a lot of Eagles offense. What did you see? Okay. All right. Well, the main thing that I saw was we can talk about simplicity in offense. We can talk about all that stuff. But Jalen Hurts, he finds a way to win games. And the running game wasn't as prolific as it was. Last year, right? Jalen didn't use his legs as much as he did, you know, in the years prior. You know, when you went deep into the playoffs. So it's that balance of, okay, we know Jalen, he likes space. He likes things being open. But how can we put him in the best position for him as well? Right. Like, how can we protect him? Right. Because you need your quarterback. But also use the gifts that he has. And one of those gifts is his legs. And I just don't think that that catered enough to him. Because I feel like that balance between having to stop Jalen Hurts and stop Saquon Barkley was, well, it was tough. Right. But I don't think defenses really feared that this year. They knew they were like, okay, they're going to try to protect Jalen. And I don't know. I haven't talked to Jalen. I don't know if he was dealing with an injury or anything. You know, but I just feel like y'all dominated the trenches. Really. Pass blocking-wise, y'all still, that offensive line still is among the top in terms of pass blocking. But in terms of running game, your running game was not as, as prominent as it has been in the past. And I think it starts, like, you know this, Travis, because Andy is adamant about establishing a running game. Yes, y'all do everything with quick games and stuff. You know it, man. Exactly. He depends on that running game because that's what takes the will of a defense. And I just think that offensively, the Eagles didn't have that, that factor where they are going to finish games with the running. They did it against us. Tank Bixby, he had a great day. But when crunch time came, when the Eagles are up, like, it should be a win, especially in the fourth quarter because they can run the football. Y'all weren't able to run the football as effectively. Yeah. And another thing, man, like, and I love AJ and I love Jalen, you know, but it is kind of, it's a beautiful thing to see Jalen, Devonta, what they do outside of the numbers because you know it's either a go or a stop. And if it's second and short, it's going to be a slant. Like, it's a three-route minimum, three-route minimum that they're doing. And the execution that they have in those crunch moments, it has to be above 90%. Like, I'm not throwing 50-50 balls to AJ Brown. I'm throwing 90-10 balls to AJ Brown. I'm not throwing 50-50 balls to Devonta Smith. I'm throwing 90-10. Like, you know, Travis, you know this. When it's crunch time, all of us together, no matter the angst that we have with each other, all of us have to produce when our team need us to produce. It ain't about who getting targets, but the defense know what we're going to do. We know what we're going to do. Oh, yeah. And last year, again, y'all executed it on those one-on-one opportunities on the outside, right? So I don't think it's rocket science, right? Like, one thing about Jalen, we talk about me and the amount of office coordinators. Like, Jalen hasn't had continuity, and I know it's part of the same scheme, but he hasn't had the same voice for a year, like, for multiple years. It's been a long time, and that's challenging as a quarterback, to get different coaching points, to get a different word. Like, when you don't have that discipline, when you are a disciplined quarterback, Jalen's very disciplined. He's straight and narrow. Oh, he is. For you to have different voices every year when you're trying to lead a team to the promised land, it's challenging, man. It is. It's so challenging. I think you hit it on the head, man, because I remember last year, and the run game with Saquon, obviously, 2,000-yard rusher. I mean, you can't. You can't substitute that. But teams are going to adjust. Teams are going to adjust to how you're playing them or how effective you are with it. But I remember in the Super Bowl, man, even when we were trying to claw back and have any chance there in the second quarters, the third quarters, man, we'd get it in a third and medium, third and long, and he would use his legs. And it wouldn't just be for a first down. It'd be for a huge gain, and all of a sudden, they're in an opportunity to kick a field goal, and we just had him on a third. Third and manageable in their own territory. So it's just being able to, I don't know, just him being able to use his legs is night and day, man. It's a happy balance, right? Like, there are calls where the quarterback moves. Patrick has a lot of those. A lot of them, yeah. Where he's moving the pocket, right? Where he's putting the defense. Because if you pressure him, you got a risk that we're moving the pocket and you're pressing in the area that's vacated. Yeah. Right? If we play zone, now it's the two-edged sword. Now he can beat us with our legs. And God forbid you play man, now our back is turned against him, right? I believe it's some creativity that can help Jalen perfect his craft, man, because he is an elite talent. Like, you see the accuracy. You see the ability to win the tough game and the big game. But now he needs continuity for once. Like, every great quarterback done had continuity. Like, you can't tell me a quarterback that's been freaking, you know, flipping OCs. That's what he's doing. He's flipping OCs like real estate properties. Like, it has to be important for the organization and for him to have a similar voice, man. I don't think it's fair for him, you know, Jalen, in terms of his quarterback. And I know he's okay with it. Nothing fazes him. You know, he's a very disciplined and structured guy. But from an outside looking in, you know, I told you this, Jace. You know, I grew up an Eagles fan. So, I'm rooting for Jalen. I'm rooting for the city of brother love to win. And not when they play against us, you know, with the Giants. But outside of that, to win, right? And for their quarterback, for this to be their franchise guy, you have to make an effort into at least catering to his needs. And I think one thing that's required is for him to have a consistent voice that he wants, that he loves, that allows him to be in his element. I love everything you're saying right there, man. I really do. And I agree with it. I really do. The one thing you brought up, man, like the – it's not even just like the new play caller and getting a feel for that. It's just the verbiage too. Like I was so lucky to have Stout for a long time. I would like – like we're on like our third different head coach and I'd be calling a blitz what we called it with Chip Kelly. But because we knew what it was, like I'd be on the – hey, they're bringing a wasp, right? Yeah. And the other coach is like, what the hell are you talking about? And Stout's like, oh, he's talking about the free safety. A lot of that gets – it gets like homogenized in your brain. And for a guy like Jalen, like in the moment, like even just communicating with guys, communicating with your teammates, that's hard when the verbiage is changing constantly. I haven't ever thought about that. But it was hard for me. So I know it's hard for him. He's been through it a lot. One thing I wanted to ask you because I think that's a great point because obviously, Travis, like you reached that pinnacle and you're still going as crazy how you freaking still turning up. My verbiage has been the same since I've been in Kansas City. I don't know what you guys are talking about. I experienced it one time in one of the Pro Bowls I played in. I had to go in there and learn a whole new offense. I'm like, bro, I'm not running any of these routes. I'm just going to see whatever covers there. Mack Jones was throwing me daggers that I was supposed to be running. I'm running go routes. But to that point, Jason, you've experienced three – like you had three different head coaches? Four. Four different head coaches. So you know what a head coach looks like. Yeah. And for us, for the Giants, us being in this position that we in, like some people aren't – blessed with having a head coach for the majority of their career you know some people have different regime changes but you've won two super bowls with two different head coaches yeah what are those key qualities of a leader in a head coach that teams should be looking for to win football games because that's what we all after yeah we are because i this is my perspective my perspective is like hey like we're all self-policing like it's our team right like no no crap we are we the one out there doing it sure right but like what does these men or what does your team have that that kind of makes up for a head coach or what does that head coach have that allows a veteran guy a veteran uh person to your status that is that is has a foundation that is established in his role what makes him want to follow a new coach coming in that's a good question man i think i was in philadelphia although we had a lot of coaching changes we had a great locker room and a great building and jeffrey lurry howie roseman it all started with andy reed really and i learned from you know brent selick all these players before me and there's a sense of unity and like a honestly because i was drafted to philly an unrealistic like idea of uh loyalty from the organization i never got cut i never went to another organization i was only in this one and i think between me lane johnson was that way fletcher cox was that way brandon graham was that way philadelphia even through the changes they did a great job of retaining pieces like jeff stoutland we i i had four different head coaches i only had two offensive line coaches that's rare that offensive line coach stays through head coaches it's rare that du staley stays i think the organization does a great job of retaining pieces and i think that's a great job of retaining pieces so philadelphia has always had this like tight like mindset and like the locker room and that has always been well established and then when a coach comes in with some fresh ideas a lot of energy um a moxie to him and he's surrounded with other great coaches and you already know how he's going to build like i mean what allows us to win super bowls we had some pretty damn good players like that's the reality of it and the coaches doug was a player so he knew how to navigate especially like older players who knew what they were doing he was great in top of building that energy and that motivation uh infusing belief um and then on with nick it's the same way we didn't win one with nick we went to one with nick he won one last year nick is very good one of the best at coaching in the team meeting a lot of times i get into the team meeting i'm like man what are we going to talk about today what's going to happen nick is so good at maximizing and communicating to the team situational ball uh little stories that i feel like sometimes are made up probably a lot of times are made up but they need those but they get you going they get the juices going they set your mindset right at the end of the day you still need the players you need great coordinators you need a great quarterback but i think that between nick and doug both of those guys were really really good at talking to the team at spreading the message at communicating with players right doug used to have the the player council meeting so all the leaders would go and talk to the head coach like i think you get a good pulse for the team because really as a head coach what i want to see is a guy that is just i want to see a guy that he wants the best for me and the best for us and he's maximizing everything he can to get the best out of me and that could come away like whether you're a player's coach whether you're you're mf and me i don't care if you're mf and me if you got my best interest at heart like you want the best for me i get it i'm right here but if i feel like you're mf and me because there's some ulterior motive for you selfishly fuck me no fuck you let's go that that that is so important right yeah like what what you just stated right there and i and i think we sense that like we know we know when a message is from another human or with another human or with another human or with another human or with another human or if it's from a higher up like man don't feed me no what you heard from somebody else do you tell me what you think what's in here what's in here what are you looking for the giant's new coach man man i'm looking for a stern leader uh i believe that we got a great young room but i believe like you said that that that energy man that understanding like what it takes to be a player is required especially with this new generation man we need we need discipline yep because well you got to be a player you got to be a player you got to be a player you got to be a young guys we need somebody that know how to steer that ship to where we're going right we got one mission and that's win games and win the super bowl right we need consistency we don't we need someone that's going to be who they are every single day right the emotions as a head coach like it's a dirt cutter my first oc he always shared you know passion versus emotion we don't need emotions man because games games are gonna have ebbs and flows we need passion we need to know that you love us we need to know that you're for us we need to know that you're gonna make business decisions during the business decision time like during the course of a season we need you believing in what you presented us at the beginning of the season and not going back to to to to your uh your b plan yeah you know what i'm saying and i and i feel like the third thing man we need someone that is gonna give us a complete paradigm shift man because when you have an opportunity to win over the past a few years that hasn't been accustomed to winning you have to bring in a winner yes you can't bring in somebody that uh over the over the course of the past few years hasn't won because that's sticking that's that's doing the same thing that you've been doing you have to bring in somebody that is a winner through and through and if you look at his pedigree he's won everywhere he's been or you bring in a new guy and you start to slate clean right and and you use the culture like you said what how how roseman you used the the byron burns and the dexter lawrence's and and myself and the andrew thomas's and you use those guys build around those guys and you cater to that and you see these are my leadership roles this is my council like what is going to make this team the best team possible i think you just hit it on the head you really it's like how are you conducting you you got their leaders you got your guys that have experience that know how to do it you got your guys that know how to do it you got your guys that you're just doing that man you're you're being accountable when you mess up you're showing up and you're putting the work in you're showing up and you're competing with maniacal relentless energy like no it ain't acceptable it's not acceptable to lose here that's not like i i know it's just a thursday but i take this personal the passion yeah all of that stuff rubs off and that you're 100 right that's exactly where you're at if you're the new york giants you sign guys you bring guys in like yourself guys that have that have had success guys that are relentlessly passionate about playing the game and then that rubs off on everybody that passion just gotta lose out of you man before we get to this last segment i gotta ask you one more thing about the playoffs man who do you think who do you think is gonna take it who does jamis think is gonna be uh hosting that party this year man i i really i really think that uh that the seahawks i think they're gonna come out the nfc side man and i'm kind of i'm kind of in between on uh the like josh you know i'm a big fan of josh oh yeah and i think like what what better year than this year uh for him to do it right you know no pat no joe no lamar you know like he he's he's the head guy on that side right uh but when you look at denver when you look at new england and you look at the houston texans i don't see buffalo being them i just i just don't like the afc is really a toss-up and i want to say i just i really want to say i want to say it's going between the rams and the seahawks on the nfc i want to but man when i when i see that seahawks defense run around energy man it's about that yes and you see that in them the whole team you know and and i'm not saying that the rams don't have that right i believe they do but you see it like you can sense it i feel like the best two teams the i i feel like it's three great teams great teams i feel like the seahawks the freaking new england patriots and the houston texans are great teams i believe the denver broncos they have the chance to win it all right i do because of their head coach and sean payton but i want to see a afc matchup between the denver broncos and the houston texans and i believe whoever whoever wins out of that is gonna win a super bowl this year okay i really i really believe but i go back to because i've been talking in circles i go back to josh allen josh allen can find a way to beat the denver broncos this week yeah i don't see nobody stop i think that's the confidence that he feels like the the bills have the trump card man it really does man but i'm excited for this next week of football man because it's it's whoever yeah it's gonna be so much fun seeing how all this shit plays out man exactly it's it's gonna be a fucking blast man but let's get into this last segment we always end uh in these uh conversations with a little bit of we got it gotta ask you can tell us to fuck off and you don't have to answer but we gotta ask man have you been working on the hard count i have i have i eliminated the jump somebody jumped offside you know what i'm saying i did i did that though yeah yeah what i need what's that somebody jump off sides damn it was a leech you know but when you think about it if it wasn't cold i would have got somebody when you playing in cold weather it's very tough to get somebody you know what i'm saying you're just like i'm i'm froze so that's why i just loved it because there's a point where you're doing the dummy count where you know nobody nobody jumping on this i don't want anything to do with it i fucking hate the whole dummy count like let's have a play ready to run let's try and get them off sides first but let's just run a fucking play man i think it has it has its time right like when the clock about to run out like when you're just trying to get a free five yards when you got like a second and short what's your favorite hard count to try and get some a team off sides my favorite hard count is a team off sides i think it's a team off sides i think it's a team off sides i think it's a they call it like the green bay cadence is when you have a cadence and you're just going through the cadence and as soon as somebody jumps we locked in they snap the ball we go forwards right that's my favorite you get a free play you know i i like i i argue so much with our staff this year about like why is it not in you got a smart center you got guys that can run like that that plate like you saw and rogers did the last game the only completion he had over freaking 30 yards was when he got up on the center got the guy on the center and he was like oh my god i'm his whole career man he'd been doing his whole life and they try to call it the green bay cadence it's not it's just if a guy jump off sides i got a smart center every time snap it let's go let's get a free play i don't disagree i think sometimes in the past where we've had issues with it is like is it a run play is the tackle blocking are we always just going to do a vertical if we get them off sides so you kind of got to differentiate it's just really if it's a pass play dude if somebody jumps off sides just take a shot that's what it should be right but but look at this if you got a smart center you got to do it every time you got to do it every time you got to do it if you got regular one word football plays which we had if you got one word football plays with alerts with motions with freaking uh uh protection adjustments you should be able to have a single cadence and then that single cadence this cadence right here we're gonna call this the jason kelsey cadence and then this cadence is one protection yeah and it's one concept yeah you can do this yeah i gotta get in the hole and call all right you know uh fake 37 wide zone right boot right z post x cross and say on the jk yeah everybody know what the freaking do oh yeah yeah on the jk if somebody jump on sides yes yes you know i'm saying we're in that white cross i know that you're going down you might score a touchdown you know what's up baby you're not oh man you played with one of the greatest ever in drew breeze man what was what was it like playing uh being in uh in the locker room with him man he's uh he's obviously you know one of the best players in the world he's one of the best players in the world he's one of the best that is that has ever done it walter payton man of the year the guy just seems like this character and his his realness oozes out of him man what was the what was the best thing you learned from drew what was it like playing with him the best thing i learned from him uh was and it helped me so much with my game is focusing on the process and not the outcome like he was so process oriented man like just his details with his footwork with his footwork to different concepts man and it all stemmed from again what we talked about earlier the continuity that he and sean had in that offense he mastered everything that that offense had to give and at the quarterback position doing that for a very long time at a high level uh it just speaks in values of his work ethic and just the love that he had for his teammates man so i'm so grateful uh for drew and uh when he helped me man because you know that one year with him that that helped elevate me to have one of the best years of my career it got it got uh shortly it was shortly lived because i got hurt but like he helped me just with my process of you know what first and second down really is first second down like we playing canadian football right like we we like what how do you play you know what the the the term behind canadian football is hey let's get first downs on first and second down let's eliminate third down right let's eliminate canadian game you only get three downs in canadian yeah you only get three downs and with him just his approach to everything one of the greatest stories i had man we were down like two scores and uh drew uh he had a good game but like we were coming back and like we had some shots down the field that were like open to me that was open like the office line was at great protection and uh and i was like i asked him on the side i'm like drew like hey man like like we down two scores like you ain't trying to push the ball he was like man i i never let a mistake that i made earlier in the game hunt me through the remainder of the game right because he i think he threw an interception earlier game and he was just like i'm not gonna let him do that i'm not gonna let him do that i'm gonna stick with my process right i'm not gonna allow just the the greed of wanting to get something right then impact with my process that i have for this two minute drive for this drive to help us get back in the game right and then the next week we went and played freaking uh the la chargers and he was in that same position and he went down dink dunk dink dunk dink and ended up winning the game for us by just staying on his process another thing that i learned from man like on saturdays when everybody's gone out the building you're gonna be like oh my god i'm gonna be like oh my god i'm gonna be like oh my god i'm gonna be i would just sit i would take a chair and i would just sit on a chair and drew will go through two minute on air by himself calling the calls champagne uh blessed us like he allowed us to call the calls during two minutes so he would go down the field up and down the field at least three or four times calling his place like really visualizing that moment so i practiced that in my training as well man so just to see the attention to detail that he had even when i was only with him on his last year and i was like oh my god i'm gonna be like oh my god i'm gonna be like oh my year still man and to see what he went through you saw the full product that's that's what that's what the cool part of it is that you saw the accumulation of all those years into one and you have to see what the finished product looked like yeah I did man and just to see what he was overcoming that last year with injury and all this and that man it just was it was really a sight to see man I'm very grateful for Drew Brees how about it man I gotta ask this one man your Florida State days you were known for to be on the football field and the diamond yeah has it ever crossed your mind to just you know pick up the old wooden bat and go out there and see to see if you still got it man i actually cross trained like two years ago i started back swinging a bat man because i realized that i lost i lost all of my torque and my rotation man because every single every single year like growing up like when i stopped football i went straight into baseball right i did my shoulder care i did my my ground my fielding work i did my my t work i did everything that i would do for baseball because i actually trained harder at baseball than i did football and once i get to the league you know hey let's work on this and i'm just like man my first five years in league i lost all my wiggle like i came to lead like freaking limber i was able to take stuff to the house i was like i gotta give back to building the athlete because you see that's what the game is it ain't no more just standing in a pocket look around all you have to be able to extend plays at the quarterback position to win in this football you have to and i think that cross training with baseball has actually elevated me gave me a few more extra years on my play because of the different movements and different actions that i do when i'm taking fly balls when i'm fielding ground balls when i'm swinging the baseball bat being in different planes man it goes and and i and i try to tell young kids like guys do not try to become a guru at one sport man get on get on the basketball court get play some lacrosse man play some baseball play some football man like don't do not do not just be focused on one little thing like oh my baby gonna be you know the number one pick at a quarterback i promise you your baby is gonna be looking like that number one pick from age eight to age 18 just just like he is you gotta you gotta get some variety man i'm with you man we played all of them we played absolutely all of them man that shit was the best yes y'all are athletes man y'all really are not even just physically i feel like you start to mentally take things over like you you you spacing that you see on the basketball court you take it what do you know about spacing on the basketball court well i know that you do it i took i took i took spacing from uh from the hockey ring there you go there you go angles and leverage yeah i still remember i started playing lacrosse and i was i was playing football first i started playing lacrosse because my buddy's man on the fucking lacrosse field i can't imagine insane but but they got all these moves they got like a face dodge you got a roll dodge where you're doing a spin move all these things and i'm like playing d line i'm grabbing the stick i'm like i'm taller than this dude i swim them like this yeah just pull a swim move out and my coach is like what are you doing that ain't gonna work bro i nobody could stop my swim move it was like i'm over here swimming everybody and now there's guys doing individual lacrosse you see guys doing it and uh coach like every time i see it i think of you and i'm like yeah that's because it's a good move coach if you ain't seen it what makes you think that they saw it you know what i'm saying like they don't think about that yeah oh that ain't never gonna work well coach you ain't never seen it before how you think do you think they ever seen it so i know it's gonna work all right last question do you have a welcome to the nfl moment well yes i have a iconic welcome to the nfl moment i got two i got two for you well my very first pass in the nfl was a touchdown and a lot of people a lot of people can't never say that yes it was it was a cody senson ball on a pick six so my very first pass that was that was a welcome today so you got my so look this is this is This is the craziest thing, right? We both threw a pick on our first. Man, that's why I knew you were my brother, man. Both of our first NFL passes were interceptions, man. Let's go. Listen, though, bro. I'm going to tell you about this. So I'm with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, and, you know, we got Lovey Smith. Lovey Smith is our cunny. He come from the Tony Dungy tree. It's going to be two Tampa, spot drop three, or a man, right? And he'll probably bring a five-man rush pressure, you know what I'm saying, play zone, five zone, and back in. Man, our first game was the great Dick LeBeau. All that defense, all the different looks, all that fronts, pressures. Man, the first third down was 36. Man, they ran two-man. I'm coming from college. Man, I ain't seen two-man all year. Man, I set it up. Man, I threw a little trush route, outbreak, man, cold assessment box, jump that thing, undercut. I was like, oh, my God. I had no idea. I had to hop on my horse. I was like, well, it was a touchdown. No. But at first, I was pissed. I was like, man, I wasn't prepared for this. I didn't think they was going to play no two-man. I was like, what is two-man? That's too funny. You know? First third down, he played two-man. Like, welcome to the NFL. Like, I thought I was an athletic quarterback. You played me two-man? Yeah. Like, now, and then, look, nowadays, you're watching film. You're like, oh, yeah. Oh, they play two-man. Some people say cover five. Nobody's got me. You hear the quarterback. Coach, man, look, it's embarrassing if they play two-man against you. Look at them. And I'm just like, oh, man. Like, damn. So it was embarrassing? It was embarrassing that they played two-man against me? And it worked? I'm like, golly. And I'm like, and it worked. I should have ran. Nobody's got you. That's too fucking good, man. Well, Jameis, man, appreciate the time. Appreciate the stories. Appreciate the wisdom. Best of luck with you over there in New York in the future, man. Always, always a huge fan of you. As a person, man. And I can't thank you enough for jumping on with us, brother. Man, I'll retweet that to both of y'all, man. You know how much respect I have for you, Jason, man, for what you just done for this game, man. And Travis, as you continue to just inspire a whole generation of OGs, bro, the way that you kill it, the way that you dominate, bro. Thank you so much for the passion and the energy. Because like you always say, what you always say, you got to fight. No, y'all don't say that. So come home, bro, and you be fighting. You're the best, dog. You be fighting. I appreciate that. And that's the energy that we have, the fact that you know where I was going with this. I knew it. You already know, baby. It's that passion, baby. You already know. So thank y'all, man. Love you, brother. You already know, man. All love. All right, that wraps up another episode of New Heights. Thank you to Jameis Winston. Famous Jameis, baby. He did not disappoint. He never does. 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I'm inside. I'm inside. He's outside, but he's inside. All is true. All right. I have no conflicting remarks.