Coach Jon Gruden | Son of a Boy Dad #415

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Six. Here, let's just get going. Let's just get going because the cruise talk is going to go the SAS, SAS watch that, that all plays all that plays, you know. When you start talking about cruises, I was like I wanted to save that too. Yeah, definitely. Yeah, I got to get ready for that tournament though. Better. He said he played 81 holes last weekend, last weekend, over two days. Well, you want to play? And you want it? I did. I didn't want it one last year, yeah. How much did you take home? 350 before taxes. How great is that? Yeah, it's pretty good. It's all a bit. Yeah. We opened up against the guy that was in the masters, me and Biz. Yeah, he was the my teammate that I won it with. How good was it? That Brad Dawg keep that player in the hole. He was in the masters. I hit a hybrid on the like the second or third holes along par three and I hit at about 12 feet from the hole. Me and Biz are high five and fucking hey, we're talking shit, you know, he knocks his four feet. We miss our buddy birdies and then he hits the next par four, he drives the green. Yeah, I know that. Four down after five holes. Yeah. And I'm like, what the fuck? We doing that. Yeah. Yeah. We don't belong there. I had to play my next match with Kwan. Oh, yeah. And overslept. Oh, yeah. But you gave a nice speech for that. I gave it. I hit a couple of good shots. Just bring that. Bring that Mike in close. I like what everything you're saying. That guy Kwan he overslept and but then what did Whitney say? He was like, give us like give us a little bit of speech and they put some like some music behind it. What did you say? What did you say to them? I don't know. What was he was pissed? Yeah, he's the first pick first round draft choice and hockey. Yeah. Is golf game struggling now? Is it? Oh, yeah. He just knocked one in. I played with the chicklets. He hold one out. That's all that. I'm real. He's hockey guys are slamming into each other. I had the duck. I'm like, I already had my hip replaced. I pretty soon I'm gonna get my neck replaced. My mom had her hip replaced a week ago. Really? Yeah. Stiller to do the rehab. I know. It's an unbelievable. Yeah. The progress they made improving that surgery. My god. Really? Yeah. What kind of progress? Because was it come from nerve pain? Like you have like you get arthritis in your hip and then that's what what causes a hip replacement? Well, it could be trauma. You got hurt on it. Yeah. It could be just a number of things really. I only ask because I got a I got a meniscus right now and they're saying we could either repair up the meniscus or there's a chance that we might have to take it out. But then in 30 years, you might need the replacement. Because it's going to be bone on bone and you'll get arthritis in the knee. And so that's but they're like, but in 30 years, there might be such good technology that, you know, get a whole new name. Yeah. It might be bionic. Yeah. My teeth. The picture from rookie of the years. Nice shoes again, man. What did you think about lukewarm sleeping in? What was your honest take on that? You know, after being in pro sports, you know, I can't say that I'm shocked. You know, a lot of these guys are flying in from all over the world. Sure. Not to make excuses, but they're at the party the night before they're on a different time zone. They're in a strange bed. Shit happens. I wasn't totally shocked. It's kind of surprised. He was the only one. Yeah. Well, that's a very generous attitude. Did you want to break his balls? Did you want to like get like lay into him like old coach? I was a basket case, really. I knew I was going to have to play against the guy that was into masters. And I'm like, holy shit. Why am I here at the point? I'm not even in the same league as these guys. Yeah. But you were in the same bunk as Francis, though, you guys as Francis won the whole damn thing. But did he snore when you guys were sharing call or like, you know, you guys were in the same. Didn't you guys live together? Oh, we were in a house that our our rooms were opposite ends of the house. Let me ask you this. Is that not one of the greatest places you've ever stayed in real life? Yeah. Me, can you imagine a better golf trip than that place? No. I can't. Well, of course, there's like four of them carved into the Appalachian Mountains. That's sick. That's pretty sick. And the lodges are like, you have to see it to believe it. But I would, I would go there every year if I had a chance. I remember waking up to the dulcet tones of you cranking out cameos. Yeah. Well, that's my time of year because it's August. Yeah. And everybody's doing their fantasy football drafts. Yeah. Yeah. And I take that shit serious. Oh, I believe it. 16 teams. They want me to randomly pull the names out of the hat. Yeah. And then some people send me statistics. They send me something to say, like tell Ron, he's a piece of shit. Yeah. I try to not, you know, swear and use a lot of profanity. But I have a lot of fun doing that. What, what, what's like the, it sounds like you get into it. I mean, what is the level of detail where the price isn't worth it for you? Like, do you mind if I ask what your rate is for those? My rate changes, really. The guy that manages my account, he just sees what's coming in. And if, you know, there's too many, he raises the price a little bit, but I've just enjoyed. I went dark for like two or three years after getting released by the NFL. And this guy Shane from Cameo kept calling me asking me to. They're persistent. I love to call. So I said, no, no, no, no. Finally says, just try it. So I tried it. But what it did was it let me know that people still don't all hate me. You know what I mean? People were actually, hey, grow, do this. Do that. Did you feel like people hated you? Well, you know, I was in a dark place for a while. Really? That must have sucked. That was tough placement. But anyways, this cameo, it kind of helped rehab me. My conscience a little bit. You're good at cameos, but there's one person at this company that's first team, all cameo. Absolute genius. Adam. You know who I'm talking about? He's your trivia team. Yes. Frank. Frank. Frank. Frank. Frank. Yeah. I might be, that's his full time job. Yeah. He'll do it. He'll do it. Like a thousand a year. Like he cranks out cameos. He'll just start screaming at his phone. You can't tell if the Metz lost or he's just doing a cameo. You know what? Him and Malasek. I'm the head coach of this Gruden Grindr fantasy that's tribute team. Yeah. It's kind of like managing LeBron and Michael Jordan, you know, these are the two stars. And they're fight over who has the right answer because, you know, they keep track of stats. Like how many points did you score? Yeah. They're both, I got that. You know. Yeah. They both wanted. There's only one ball. Who's, who's tougher to coach? What, what would it be like? Like a Charles Woodson or, and a Warren Sapp or Frank the tank and Malasek. Malasek missed his flight yesterday. Oh no. So he's becoming a little bit of high maintenance full, full of himself. That's brutal. Mississippi. A little lukewarm. A little lukewarm in him. I mean, quan and Malasek. There you go. They should be here for your next episode. How the hell do you oversleep? I don't know. Would you, would you, would you break his balls if you oversleep? Would you like, ream him out? Would you like, what was the last time you yelled at somebody like, what Jake specifically? Yeah. I try not to do that. These guys, you know, they, they've come through. They've really been clutch. So Jake had a moment a long time ago that reverberated through the interwebs of bar stool where they were asking him about whether or not he wanted to hang out with women socially. And he said, not really, you know, I don't really see the point of talking to women at bars or whatever. I'd much rather just be home by myself. I think you want, he wants to hang out the boys. You want to hang out with his boys? Is that what it was? I think that's what it was. Okay. So he was not using soap. I heard that as well. I think that's why Dave sent Malice that down with me. Yeah. Let's send that guy to Truby. Yeah. He wasn't using soap. Yeah. He's anti-soap in the shower. Like not like, I don't shampoo, like not, he doesn't use any soap. So he's just, he's just going pure water? I guess. I haven't asked that. I mean, I haven't gone that close to it, but I do have a very keen sense of smelling. You would think you would smell, you know, body odor if the guy wasn't. Yeah, yeah, I've been. I mean, he must be showering in like, boiling hot water. (laughing) You kinda know that. I mean, it's actually clean. Why do they call you the Sasquatch? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's in the damn question. What is Sasquatch? I mean, I gave it to myself when I was in like middle school. It was my gamer tag on PlayStation. Oh, really? Yeah, yeah. And then I didn't want to, when I was in high school, I was doing a lot of like internet stuff. And I didn't want to like hurt my chances of like going to college. So I made that my name. I didn't use my real name. But then I didn't end up really going to college. So it didn't matter. And then he started doing stand-up comedy. And then for the first couple years of stand-up comedy, he would go on stage and they'd have to be like, come into the stage next, little Sasquatch. I love it. And he would, we did a thing called the Pink Pony Club. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, of course. He was sitting there in that chair. I didn't do anything. They had you do the heavy lifting on that one. We're going to need you to sing, dance, ask. You guys are great, man. That was you were a professional. We were like, this is going to take a couple of hours. He did the entire thing in like 10 minutes. Memorized every line. Yeah, it was impressive. That's sick. That was, you've probably done some commercials and stuff, though acting wise. A few things, I mean. But these guys were fun to be around. I got to meet the girls too. I got to meet Moody. Yeah. Hannah Montoya is my favorite. Yeah. We were on that trivia game. And you know how you're allowed to call a friend. You called her up? I said, let's just call Hannah Montoya. I don't want to talk to Hannah. I just want to chat and care if she do the answer. Yeah, I think she's probably like a baseball question. She's my favorite, my school. There's no one to think about. She's got a good podcast. Yeah. Does she? Micro the micropods. She's just like a short podcast. I've seen that. Yeah. You know, coach, I appreciate your positivity. But I just want you to know that this is a safe space. And we like to just chum it up, talk some shit, whatever. You can absolutely feel free to not be happy about people or things. I'm, I'm really good at that. Experiences. You can cut to the core, you know? You don't have to like, like we asked you about Luke Kwan, you're like, well, you know, I get it. It's hard. You don't have to qualify anything. Just let it fly. Okay. For example, for example, the hotel that you're staying in, how is it? It's different. Everything about that hotel is different. Where are you at? But the Moxie. Oh, yeah. Tyler's there. You check in and it's like you check into a bar. Like, where's, where do you check in? A guy goes right here. He gives you a poker chip. That's for a free drink. Oh, yeah, I hate that. I've never checked in. I got a free drink. Yeah. I guess so. But I never really, I don't know if I've ever cashed it in. I don't know if they're just trying to woo you to the bar just to get the, the good energy going. But I also saw some still images of the rooms and it looks like the showers in the middle of the bed. It is. It really is. I mean, I'm showering overlooking the streets of Chicago. This could be interesting. Yeah. Yeah. I had to make the moxie the exact opposite of every hotel I've ever been at. That's all I would explain it. Yeah. It's different than the four seasons in Greece that you're telling us about. Yeah. Much got back from a cruise in Greece. Took the four seasons cruise. I mean, I want to hear, I want to hear about the most luxurious aspect of that. Yeah. Me and him are like luxury travel like we're obsessed with that kind of shit. You don't want, I don't want to leave the boat. That's all luxurious. The boat was. Yeah. Yeah. And you wake up and you're in the middle of the LGNC and then the boat stops in the morning and you're in this beautiful Greek island. And I still don't want to leave the boat because the pool, the service, the room, the weight room, everything on the boat was better than anything I've ever been to. That's so safe. Wow. You know, it was that nice. Mm-hmm. Now, it's. It's quite expensive. And I'm not really a world traveler. I mean, if I had it to do again, I would have just stayed at Clearwater Beach. I don't like to travel. I don't like flying up 15 freaking hours on a plane with some guy who won't lower his windows. Yeah. Yeah. We've got two guys yakking for nice driving out. Oh, boy. And it's tough, man. It is. Because I'm irritable. I don't sleep that much. No. I'm winter. Why not? You know, I'm in the conversation. Yeah. Disagreeing with somebody. Yeah. It's claustrophobia. Yeah. Yeah, I hated the overseas NFL games. Hey, did you guys play England? I hate those still, huh? So I hate them still. Yeah, London played in Tokyo. Whoa, I It's pretty cool. Game in Tokyo. Are you when you're flying over to Greece? What airline are you flying? Loose loose loose loose left hands Lafayette Lafayette. That's the Germans and you got you got a nice business class seat for that I hope yeah, I got a nice cloud. We went all out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're a we want we we let's do it Do you know about the do you did you happen to catch wind at all of the first class scandal at barstals to sports? So I'll give you the quick Breakdown. There there was a list created of employees that were the travel Yeah, yeah, yeah, that were meant to when they traveled for barstals work were allocated just to fly Business class first class whatever and then many people who were not and I was on that list so I've run by virtue of having been put on there by the golf group because I travel with them and they travel first class and our one of our C-suite guys. I think it was our C our chief revenue officer something like that wrote in a slack group that He thought it was total bullshit that I would be on the first class list when you were flying southwest And that was the straw that broke the camels back and got me removed from the first class list and all of this of course started because he was He said he's like how do I get on the list? He's like I he demanded to be on the list and Francis and I were like hey like you don't want to go down this you're gonna It's a house of cards and you're gonna knock a lot of people off of the first class list if you start like pulling cards out so he started yanking out cards and Now Francis is in C-44b. But I guess the question is You know people cited that you John Groot and you know multi-billionaire Decorated NFL coach Super Bowl winner was humble enough to fly southwest When you fly from Tampa to Chicago and that's pretty much When I use the bar stool Yes, I'm flying from Tampa to Chicago. I would rather fly anywhere I would rather go anywhere than do her airport. Yeah, so you go to the other one Midway yeah, and that's gotta be southwest direct flight on southwest. Yeah, I would much rather fly well What's wrong with oh hair? Oh hair socks just getting Kitten from oh her to here. I got with an uber guy. He went on the median. Did you ever see that? Yeah, I saw that that drove me crazy. I'm scared to death, but I was happy. Did it? I have to drive sometime. Yeah, yeah, the traffic is brutal I'll take I take the the the light rail the bar the whatever it's called the Just the train in because I like to save the company money That's not true. I can't enjoy if I've never seen that. I've never heard of it with you Well, when I have another person, I think that okay now we can justify the uber if at least there's two of us splitting it The train goes to the loop Yeah, that's usually where I'm staying. Oh, I guess that makes sense. Yeah, it's come straight to the office Um, but I I do so I guess my point is that you go to Midway and people thought this was John Grooton humble Southwest humble turns out it's more for efficiency sick Yeah, I really don't care how I fly honestly. I'm low maintenance well, that's no maintenance Yeah, honestly, I've coach guys with low maintenance some maintenance and high maintenance and it's a tough It's hard really. I don't want to be any maintenance. Yeah, whatever you think. I'll stay wherever you say you know what I mean Yeah, I I work with people that don't like this hotel They don't like the food here. They don't like the car service. Yeah, and just shut up Did you ever experience did you ever like dip your toe into being high maintenance? Where you ever like for like let me see how it feels to like really like demand this like nice thing this like car service first class Rich car. I mean, I started drinking cabernets, you know, and I started looking at the bottle and saying that's That's kind of lackluster Give me one of those camuses, you know, okay, the selfish indulgences wherever you're once in a while But for the most part, I'm easy is that your main indulgence a wine because I remember we did that NFL draft show together, which was an absolute blast Just the highlight career moment for me to be able to sit there and do that with you But afterwards you got you guys sat down cracked a little bit of a bottle of wine, you know The special occasions, you know, we bring a couple of good bottles in yeah, and after the show is over we Celebrate a good night's hard work. Do you remember why not? Do you remember what you're drinking that night? What will calm us it was a cave is that night? but this guy is a absolute wine genius over here. - No, I'm just a snob, I'm just a snob. But I'll bring us some nice bottles to the internet evitational if you would indulge with me. - Talk to him about some of those wines you were showing us at your house upstate. You were showing us some absolute evidence. - Yeah, I've got some special occasion wines, some nice Bordeaux, some first growths. And then also you sounds like you like California cabs. - Well, when I was with the Raiders, we had training camp in Napa. I swear to God, so on the players day off, every once in a while, my wife would come up and we'd go to the chemist vineyard or we'd go over here to Silver One. - Yeah, I mean, they're all there. You know, and then I started thinking, maybe I'll get four or five bottles of that and I got a nice little closet full of nice cabs. That's nice. - There you go. - That's great. - You ever duck out there with any of the players, you ever take Rich Ganon out there while you're up there? Was it a coaches-only or? - You're pretty much coaches, pretty much my wife, you know? - When you're in that business, there's not a lot of fraternizing, socializing. You're working all the time. And when you do get one night off, I would usually have a hot date or something with my wife, we'd do something. - Sounds like a really nice love that. - It's also like, I feel like coaches, nobody has a tougher schedule than coaches. I feel like the Eagles just hired a guy Sean Manion to be their offensive coordinator. And since it's his first year being the offensive coordinator, he's working from 5 a.m. to like 11 p.m. So he's just not seeing his family at all. And I feel like that's like a common refrain for coaches. Did you feel like you saw a lot of that? Like the guys are just in the building exclusively? - Yeah, all the time. - And where's the family time get carved out in that? - There's this hard, man, you have a great wife. The wife's got to raise the kids quite a bit. My dad was a coach. My mom has a big say in who we are, you know? But I had to philosophy, you know, when you're home, when you're there with your kids, be there when you're there. I mean, don't be elsewhere. But it does make it hard to have a good golf game. (laughing) That's the one thing about golf. I don't know about you, but it takes a lot of time. - It's a very frustrating. How much you need to play in order to maintain a decent level. - Yeah, like you said, you played 80 holes in one weekend? - Yeah. - Well, I'm divorced. (laughing) - That explains why you're able to do what you do. - Exactly. - My wife would look at me like, "Are you out of your group in my 80 holes?" - Yeah. - You know, but it's so many shots. Then you go play in a pressure tournament. We're a lot of money. They're talking four million bucks on a money, you know? And you're hitting an alternate shot tournament. And if you hit a bad shot, you're letting everybody down. - Oh, yeah. - And I worry about that more than I do when in the damn tournament. - Oh, sure. - Totally. - Absolutely. - I want to fuck up. - Yeah. 'Cause no one's gonna tell you they're mad, but everyone's mad. - Yeah. - Yeah. - I think so. - Yes. - Like when Frankie missed that shot and everybody had to be like, "All right, Frankie, don't worry about it, Frankie." - Nobody said a word at that point. - You made a lot of my respect when you won that. - Thank you. - Two notes and shots. And that, look, that's pressure. And a lot of people, I feel pressure on the golf course. - Yeah. - A lot of people apply pressure. You know, they make shots. They make the other team make a shot. When you're out there and I'm not good enough to really walk up there confidently, looking at that trap, looking at this green, confidently making a shot of that pressure. - That's tough. - Tough man. - Does it, like, how high does the nerves get in comparison to before an NFL game? Obviously you're gonna have nerves even as a coach. But how does it simulate that for you and your brain or is it a completely different beast way lower pressure because of the stakes being lower? - Yeah, this is a good question, but I think it's all relative. It's all similar, you know? - Yeah. - I mean, you run out there on the field and you see the Ravens coming out of the tunnel and the crowd's booing, you get all of a sudden you're out there and freaking somewhere with some Appalachian mountain and you got to make a three-foot putt. - Yeah. - I mean-- - With Dave Porton, I'm talking to you. - You can't blame the quarterback, you can't blame anybody. - You tell me, dude, you got to do it yourself. - That's right. - And that's the thing. - That's what's so great about that sport, you know? - I was rewatching the couple super bowls ago. It was Eagles' chiefs, Eagles lost that game. And I was rewatching the National Anthem this weekend. Chris Tableton's sung a beautiful National Anthem. But during the National Anthem, they do a close-up of Nick Sierriani. - Oh, yeah. - And he feels the full pressure of the moment and he's got tears, both simultaneously streaking from both eyes. And I was just thinking about like what kind of like, what's making him cry in that moment? Is it like a combination of the pressure or the culmination of like all of his wants through his entire life? What do you think it was for him in that moment and did you ever break down and crack a tear out of your eye before a game or in a big moment? - When you're getting a game like that, you're probably, you know, thanking the man upstairs for, you know, what a journey. - Yeah. - You look at Sierriani, where he started as a player. You know, the ambition, the effort that he's put in to his coaching career. And to be able to say, you're in there in a Super Bowl, and you're listening to Chris Tableton say, I had to, we had Celine Dion, we had a sting, Bon Jovi was at our game. I'm walking out there for the coin toss and Don Shula, Larry Zaka, the 17 and O Dolphins are behind me. - Holy shit. - And then Larry Zaka says, go get him, coach. I get on the headset, I go, hey Jay, Larry Zaka knows my name, but it was, it's overwhelming, you know, the stage. You know, you say, I'm a part of this? - Yeah, it's crazy. - You know, a slapy like me from Dayton. You know, I'm sure Sierriani probably felt, you know, humbled that this is really the culmination of a lot of hard work. And if we could just win this some pitch, you know what I mean? But it's a great thing. - I distinctly remember watching the Super Bowl you won with the Bucks, Rich Gannon, had those ridiculous brown ear pads in his helmet. - Vity, I can't remember. - Quarterback for the Raiders. - Yes, St. Joe's Prep Guy, great guy. - I think he won NFL MVP that year, right? And, but it was your defensive, like, backs and really. - That Tampa too. - You like Baker? - You a big Baker guy? - I did. I am Baker, man. I got to play golf here. - Baker and the Pro Am for the Valspar tournament. It was Governor DeSantis, Ronde Barber, George Spief, and Baker Mayfield. - What a group. - It was a five. And he made us play our own ball. And it was the longest round of golf. (laughing) - I quit after 13. I had to go back or film in our quarterback shows. Really? - We got a guy flying in. I'm like, how long are we gonna wait to hit? - You know, because all these amateurs, they wanna see what they can score on the course that's really made up for these tour players. - Yeah. - And some of us take it way too serious, man. - Yeah. - How are they? How was DeSantis? How was Baker? What were their games? - I was like, yeah. - Speed was awesome. - Yeah. - He's a cool guy too. - Really? - Yeah. Not a real big guy, you know, but he could thunder it. He could still hit it, man. - Oh, yeah. - But Baker's a good player, little wild at times. - That makes sense. - DeSantis is good. He's okay. He brought his little kid with him. So we really had a six-am. But Ronde is a real good player. - That's it. - That was good. - That's awesome. - What do you think of. It's gonna be a little bit of curveball. What do you think of Mac Jones? You Mac Jones guy? - Mac Jones. - 49er guy, you're talking about it. - Oh yeah. - He's got to meet Mac. He's in the right spot. - Yeah. - That's what I thought. - Sam Darnold went to San Francisco. Parked his bus there for a year and came out a better quarterback. - Yeah. - I think Mac Jones proven what he did last year, coming in for Perty. - Yeah, yeah. - He'll get another shot. He'll be a starter again. - Yeah, I think so. I got to Mac Jones Patriots jersey that I'm holding on to. - Win for that price to increase. - Are you the Patriots fan? - Yeah, yeah. We all got serious problems. (laughing) - Tell him because he's trying to rub this AJ Brown trade in my face. He's trying to take a victory lap on AJ Brown getting traded up there. I think that's a win-win trade. The Eagles get a first and get off of that big salary. And then the Patriots get a number one wide receiver for Drake May. - A deep on thrust. - That's all I see it too. You know, when I was coaching, I took a lot of pride in helping veteran receivers kind of reinvent themselves. We got Irving Fryer and Philly. - Yeah. - And he was 33, came over from Miami, played great. We got Joey Galloway from Dallas. He played great in Tampa. - Yeah. - We got Jerry Rice to come to the Raiders when he was 38, played great. Keen and McCartle helped us win a Super Bowl. We got him from Jacksonville. But I think AJ, he needed to get out of Philly. - Why? - I just think that the karma of that team, they didn't look like they really even cried each other. - Agreed. - There wasn't something right going on there. - They're reading. I think they're reading. - But I think that was the answer. Run first offense. I think they're going to go through Jaylin and go through Safequan. - That make sense. - They got to tight end. They got Devonte Smith, right? - Yeah. - And AJ, he was standing over there as the extra receiver on the backside of trips. McDaniel's is going to put him in motion. He'll put him all over the field. - Oh yeah. - Because New England is going to want to prove that they did the right thing. - Yeah. - They're going to go all out to get him a ton of catches, I think. - I mean, digs had it. Bigs head of thousands. the yards last year. So in that offense, you can get a lot of targets. You can manufacture some stuff for them. Got a great quarterback. Yeah. He's good. He's got a stud, man. Yeah. What do you think they're going to be good this year? I think they're going to be worse this year than they were last year, but I think they're going to be good still. We're going to have a tougher schedule. They're schedules crazy. A lot tougher. Yeah, like a week like nine through 13, I think, or 15. It's like really, really hard. Why do we always see a regression from teams that lose the Super Bowl? Why are those the most likely team or like a pretty consistent that they're regressing? It's not like they make it back. You're right there at the precipice, and then you get back. It's usually like a step backwards. Let's think it's a long season. Yeah. You know, yeah, less time to recover. And usually the teams that are in the Super Bowl, they get, they lose coaches, they lose players. They got guys that want new contracts. So they got a part with some players, but the turnover on the NFL rosters these days is unbelievable. I'm going through each division right now. We're getting ready to release our divisional forecasts, you know, hell yeah. But we're doing the AFC West right now. It's unbelievable how many new coaches and new players are on all these teams. Who do you like? You said about the chargers adding McDaniel to that offense. That's a nice. Yeah, I don't know him. No, I don't recognize his offense. He does some weird things in a good way or what do you mean in a good way? I think they got to get Herbert. Yeah. They got to get Herbert protected. They did get the center from the commanders. That's going to help him. The audition. Yeah, I get in the two tackles back later in all healthy. If they can protect Herbert, better look out, man. But they got a new defensive coordinator, a new offense coordinator. They are still the chargers. It's a hard team for me to like. I hope they lose everything. I hate it. Really grew up hating them. Yeah. Everybody in the West, he just oh god. So was your team now like would you say you root the most for the the bucks? Bucks and Raiders. Nice. My son is still strength coach with the Raiders. So I root for them. We're heading out there to Vegas next week to see my son and see Kenny Chesney at the sphere. Cool. Yeah. I love that. My wife's brother went to college with Kenny. At East Tennessee State. So we've known Kenny before he was Kenny, you know what I mean? That's crazy. He's pretty cool. Yeah, that's it. He got great tailgates for it. Like everybody like I remember right out of college, everybody would just go to the Kenny Chesney tailgate just for like just for the vibes of everybody being outside the vibrum. Yeah. And he comes into that vibrum right before he hits the stage. And I swear they want guys in there that have positivity. And it's and they try to get the vibe. The energy right. Yeah. It's like being in a locker room before the game. Everybody up. You know, it's it's it's cool. They got to used to have the Corona light people in there and we'd pop a couple Corona's and get the vibe. Get the energy right for the concert. So you feel the pressure in that situation? Be like, hey, let me get some vibes. Like let me make sure I'm bringing the juice for these guys. Yeah, I got to. Yeah, really. This one's brought to you by Tick Pick ever actually read a ticket receipt service fee, processing fee, convenience fee, convenient for who? That's an extra 30 bucks a ticket. Tick Pick doesn't do that. Never has never will. No fees means the exact same seat, same section, same row, cost less on Tick Pick. Fans trust Tick Pick for all their live events. Check the reviews yourself. So why overpay for the exact same seat, download the Tick Pick app and never pay another service fee again. And for new Tick Pick customers, take $20 off your first order with promo code PMT20 in the Tick Pick app. Terms apply. That's PMT 20 at checkout for $20 off your first order. Dude, his son. I don't know if you know his son as a stud power lift. Well, I know that and I know that he was also a UFC fighter or a youngest son. Oh, okay. I remember that from a hard knock season. Yeah. So your other son, yeah, he's in a like Olympic lifting. He's got some. Well, you won the world powerlifting championship in Belarus. Yes. That's fucking sick. That's where you go. 80 pound guy. He broke the national record for the bench press just recently in Las Vegas, like 495. Jesus Christ with a pause. Yeah. You know, he says he's a momentum. I remember he was growing up. He was like 17 years old and I would hear the weights in the house. And I call him and I said, "Duce, what do you want to be?" He said, "I want to be a freak." And when he won that thing in Belarus, I said, "Congratulations, man. You are a freak, man." But it was one of the coolest things I've ever seen because we fly all the way to Belarus. And that's communism over there. I mean, I'm not really, it's not like I'm not a basket case, but they got guy 180 pound guys from almost every country. Yeah. And they're singlets and they're all fucking more, you know, jack. Yeah. And they're doing the bench press, the squat. And that's like the cradle of powerlifting over there. Like the Belarusians, like those guys and they don't have football and basketball over there. They got powerlifting. So for him to go over there and beat him at their own game, they keep announcing how many kilo grams. And I'm like, how many pounds is it? How much weight is it? How much a kilogram is? 2.2 pounds. That's, yeah, 2.2. Yeah, good to know. French is a bit of a, but he's more of like a calisthenics and like kettlebell. Functional functional mobility body overall strength. Just trying to look good naked. That's a good way to look at it. Yeah. And you get older like me. I've had two elbow surgeries and I had my hip per place. Yeah. So certain ranges of motion really bother the elbow. You know, like I can still do the bench press for some reason, but I can't go above the head and do, you know, these tries, some of these things, skull crushers, some of them are tough, man. Yeah. But yeah, good for you. You look like you've been pumping a lot. Yeah. I've been in there. Yeah. You got some new material. Like you come up with new material for your comedian comedian. Yeah. Yeah. Me and France is both through stand up. They tore. They're like, they like sell out places. Like they're studs at comedy. It's amazing. I know. I would like to, I would like to just know what do you do to come up with new content? Just right. Like sit down and write. I mean, a lot of the best jokes just come to your head naturally, but like sometimes you got to actually sit down and write shit out, which sucks. My process is bad. I like to go out and live and experience. And then those funny things happens, whereas he's takes more of a sort of stay inside approach. Yeah. Frank Calliand is my friend. Yeah. He does an amazing impression of you. He does. He's great. We saw him in Tampa and it was cool. I got to come on stage like I was doing Monday night football. Instead of Mike Toreco, he was Mike Toreco. Yeah. So I would make a comment like, I wanted him to be John Madden. He was John Madden and he could do Pat Summeral, but he could do. It was a machine. He could go one voice to another. It's insane. That's crazy. I don't even know how that that you got to be like somewhat born with the ability to do that. But he's very study. He talks about like studying the mouth and stuff like that. That's crazy. It all comes from like the shape of the mouth. But he's insane. He also would talk about with comedy. He would say he doesn't watch any other comedians because he doesn't want to be influenced at all by anybody. He doesn't like study comedy. He doesn't study other people's or watch other people's act because he doesn't want to like, dribble into his perspective. I mean, I see this look as like one of the pre what's it called the warm up comedy comedy? Yeah, I opened up. I didn't even get me to crack his. I really don't want to laugh like Jolly John Gruden at everything he says. But if you ever had a time where you bought up there, it's like, oh god. Yeah, yeah, it's off. I thought this would come off. Yeah, yeah. I mean, you have jokes that you do that work and that they they consistent because you do a lot of the same jokes like you're continuously like building them up. And you have jokes that like you'll do for like a year straight and every time you do it, it crushes. And then I didn't know where that joke just doesn't work anymore. And you're like, I don't know what happened. It's usually you're doing it too much to robotic, you know? Like I was coaching for the Eagles. I was offense coordinator. And we're in pre game warm up. This is the old veteran stadium. And they had some rough fans. Oh yeah, it's like we're playing in Rams. It's windy and cold. We're out there. Me and Randall Cunningham and Rodney Pete and Jayfield were warming up. And there's some guy in the stands. He's going, hey, Gruden. And the the voice was loud. You could not help but hear it. All the players. Hey, Gruden. He's over there. Gruden. Finally, I turned around. You suck. And all the players are laughing, not any. And then two weeks later, we go out and there's that guy again. Hey, Gruden. So I'm like, okay, you suck. But anyway, that comedy guy that night, I was, I felt like, well, hey, oh, yeah. So you get it. You do have to have some mental toughness. And you also, I feel like just like, you're like an athlete and you're like, like athlete, humor is like that. You like you and your locker room would be the most terrified. I could possibly be to perform just a bunch of guys who are like, they're all funny in their own way. And then you bring you're pre-written jokes and you're like, I fucking suck. That's a way to make a living. It's tough. Yeah, yeah. Is veteran stadium where Penn now plays their games? No, that got torn up. It's destroyed. Veteran stadiums down. Penn is Franklin Field. Yeah, well they, I remember we played Penn in a football stadium that used to be the Eagle Stadium. That's like in the 1950, like Chuck Bednarek played there. Okay. I mean humongous. Yeah, yeah. Veteran stadium, they blew it up. Yeah, they blew it up. They demolished it. I mean, it was a concrete field with like a carpet thinner than this one. That was just bad. Painted like turf and they had a jail underneath the stadium because the fans were, like you said, such assholes. You talking about going to this, going early, right? As a coach. Yeah. I'd go in there four o'clock in the morning. Cheese and pitch black. You go into veteran stadium. Our offices were underground. That's where I worked for three years. So there's a security guy out there. And it's right down on Paterson, Broad is four o'clock in the morning. There's some guys walking around, you know. Seedy. So I walk in and I see a cat that's got to be as big as Sasquatch. Then I see two or three others walking around veteran stadiums. So finally, I see this security guy go, hey, what's with all these cats, man? The guys, he goes, the cats eat the rats. You want rats or cats? Everything and Philly, man, it was, it was like a dream, you know? And that was a wild time for Philly fans. Like there's like books written about how crazy the Philly fans were. There was like a story like of like a really cold day at veteran stadium. And this guy was telling the story like his wife was there. And like it was like a day where you couldn't feel your fingers, you couldn't feel your toes. It was just like a disgusting, awesome football day. But they're up in the 700 level of veteran stadium. And they said that at one point, they look down and like everything's numb. You can't feel anything. They look down. The sky looked down and his wife's shoe was off. The guy in front of him had taken his wife's shoe off and was just sucking on her toes. And this stadium was like, what, what kind of fucking Philly fans? Like what are we even like warming them up? That was the last thing I thought you were going to say. I mean, dude, I know. I know. Sucking on this woman's head. Was that sure was that like a sexual thing? I don't know. I have no idea. All I know is safety for college. Is the boy? Yeah. That's warmer up. She looks a little bit. But it's just there's just like a million, a million like insane stories about like like crazy brawls that happen and bad people. And you're talking about this guy giving you a hard time like telling you you suck. He's there a week after week. And that's the Eagles fan. That's that's your fan. That's the guy who's like cheering for you. Remember WIP, right? Of course, of course. It was brutal, man. Yeah, there it was. You know, if you listen to that, you'd go home crying. We lost to the 49ers. I think we got shut out. Yeah. In the playoffs. And uh, caller calls in. He's like John Grootin. John Grootin. If his IQ was one point less, he'd be a plant. The guy's a fucking idiot. And I'm sitting there listening to this. You know, but I'll tell you what, man, I never forget this. We go 4-0 on the preseason my first year. We look good, man. We're bringing a West Coast offense. Randall looked great. And they call me boy wonder in the newspaper. I still picture a Johnny G here. That boy wonder is here. First game we played Tampa Bay. They come in and kick our ass. 21 to 6. Next day it was boy blunder. No, I really, I said, I'm not good enough. I'm, I don't belong in this chair. I shouldn't be calling plays. And I'm walking to the old bubble. I remember that little bubble they had where we got the practice facility. There's a white Cadillac. And guy rolls his window down. He goes, hey, Johnny, get in. Who was? Oh, it's Dick Vermeel. That's sick. He called, he, he drove me over there. He gave me about a 15 minute pep talk about how you're going to be great. Everything's going to be just keep doing it. But he was that was a turning point. So nice. Yeah. Where was he at the time? He was doing college football. Broadcast, you know, because that was before he signed or before he was with the chiefs, right? Yeah. Yeah, amazing. It was really cool. Philadelphia was was a great. I can't believe you listen to the sports talk radio. I love it. Do you know that? Did you that throughout like your whole career? Like right after the game? I like to hear what the fans are saying. Yeah. You know, I like to hear what the players are saying on the radio shows. Were you hoping for praise or were you hoping that if there was criticism somehow by hearing it, you would be better prepared for it? Yeah, just a little bit of everything. Just to have an idea what the what the temp temperature was. Yeah, yeah. I like, I like knowing what the furnace is like. How hard it is. Yeah. Because your players listen to it, you see? I see. And all your coaches listen to it. So you can't be naive to it. Plus, I had quite a commute from New Jersey over to Philly every morning. Yeah, that's a long one. Especially for getting in at 4 a.m. What do you leave it at night? That is because you don't really think you almost assume that the players are not listening. When I'm like, has somebody who's calling into the station, you're not like, hey, Donovan McNabb is going to hear what I'm saying, bitching about him. You're really just saying it to get it off your chest. But then you work at someplace like this. It's like the human condition. Like you're going to read some comments about yourself if people are talking about you. You want to know what they're saying about you, right? Yeah, it's just being a human. That's nice, so. Yeah, I do think it is. It is important to have an idea. Like I get people that are like, don't read anything, don't listen to anything. But it's like, I agree with what you said. Like, well, you know, there's an article. If you go down and read what's it called? The blogs. Everybody's negative. You know, you're pummeling you on the bar stool website. No, I'm not going to say that day when they're being articles. Exactly. That's as negative as it'll get. Bar stool, bar stool blog. But now if you're a coach, like going on Twitter, we're going on Instagram. Yeah, it's not smart. But what's the difference between that and listen to the radio? Oh, you're just driving to work. I just, I'd rather listen to that than almost anything, really. From Yacht Rock. Yeah. Plus, you know, you can disguise your voice and call in. Oh, this is little Sasquatch. Oh, Sasquatch here. This is a Tom Broodin. They coach Groodin's great. So sick that you've got to coach with your brother too. That's that's a just an amazing wife. Or you coached your brother and your son. We had a really cool group, you know. We had McVeigh, Shanahan, Tomlin, my brother. All these young guys were on my staff in Tampa. And we had a lot of fun. We talked a lot of trash and it was competitive. McVeigh and Shanahan were down there. They were down there, yeah. It's crazy. Oh my god. We had a lot of fun. So people give all give them credit for like McVeigh concepts, La Flour concept, Shanahan concepts. Like it's part of their coach entry. They should be kicking up credit to you. No, yeah. That's part of your coach entry. Well, they were there. We had we had a lot of great people come through that building. And that's what makes you want to come back someday and coach again. I was just going to ask, I mean, you get a call tomorrow. Hey coach, we want you to come be the head coach of the Bengals. Are you taking it? Hey, it's PFT. Look, we all know NFL Sundays are sacred. And so we found the perfect way to make sure we don't miss a single snap of NFL action. We're fully dialed into NFL Sunday ticket and YouTube TV. When you bundle NFL Sunday ticket and YouTube TV, you get every game every Sunday period. 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I like living in Tampa. I like clear water beach. I like working with you guys. This has really been one of the cooler things I've done. I didn't even have a Twitter account or a, uh, I didn't know anything about Instagram or nothing. And now you get a chance to go do some things. Hell, I'm even playing lacrosse now with Jake. Shit, I'm playing. I was on the field last Wednesday with four national champion lacrosse players and the head coach. They're feeding me passes off of the pick and I'm shooting on gold. I think I pulled like a muscle back in my butt. That's why you're giving a speech to a lacrosse. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Where's that? What team is that? Tampa, the Spartans are the club, club lacrosse? What is it to division two? Yeah, they want it all. But you know, when you meet these guys, these are bad asses, man. Oh, yeah. These are athletic guys. They're physical, they'll knock the shit out of you. And they are quick and twitchy, man. And if I had lacrosse in high school, I would have played that sport instead of based. baseball. We didn't have the sport. You know, I encourage teams to schools to get a lacrosse team and let your football players play lacrosse in spring, hand-eye coordination, just physical training, changing directions. I mean, you got to real stop and start. You really work on your quickness, your conditioning. It's hell of a sport, man. These guys run all over the place. It's crazy how Jake is playing on like an Olympic level team. Do you ever think that like if you had if it was like you're getting out of college and you could have traced some lineage back to a country that doesn't have that much of a lacrosse presence like that you you could have. You know, they didn't have lacrosse in the Olympics when I was in college and they do do have the world games and I remember guys would go play for Italy and Wales and Israel and they would have no legitimate kind of claim to go do that. It was just kind of a joke. But I always thought the helmets and the jerseys were really cool and it would have been fun to have done. Why would you have played what what why wouldn't have been good enough to play for the American team because that was actually the best players. So I would have tried to play for probably England. Six. Yeah. That would have been so sick. Yeah. It would have been cool. Yeah. That's awesome. Yeah. I mean, lacrosse is a there's a great one. What is Jake doing? He's played for the Czech team, right? He's like goalie for their Czech Olympic team. Oh, wow. It was like but I think it was like some weird thing where it was like it was only he was only doing it if this young kid didn't, right? Something like that. Yeah. Yeah. Whoa. So they have an age cap. I just think of better young players coming. Oh, I see. So wait, wait, did he play goal goalie in college? Yeah. I think so club. Oh, he went to UVA, right? He's a Virginia guy. Yep. That's a great game. They have a very good division one team. He didn't play on that team. I thought he did. Make it dead. Yeah. Yeah. The varsity team. Yeah. That's bad. That's amazing. Yeah. I can't imagine he's in the Olympics, but couldn't make the varsity team. That's so sick. I'm like, he asked me to coach the Czech. Oh, you should. The games are in Tokyo. But I told him, I said, I don't know about that flight. I can't do the flight. I'm going for four days in September to Tokyo. Yeah. When you when you had your preseason game in Japan, did you like spend any time? Did you do any Japanese shit? Yeah. We took, I took my coaches out to the steakhouse. We had this high roller guy. He was my assistant. My agent found him. He was one of the casino hosts in Reno, Nevada. He goes, you got to hire this guy. So I hire him. I said, hey, Ray, get me a reservation. I'd like to take my coaches out to dinner. We go into this steakhouse, man. And there are the biggest fish tanks I've ever seen. There's girls swimming in them. The steak, the lobster, every drink, it was like $14,000. This is like $2,000 and three. I spent $14,000 on this meal. I remember my offense, the line coach, Bill Muir, the waitress comes by. Would you like another alive? He goes, I'll have another lobster. I said, no more food for these guys. No more. I look at the bill. I go, God damn it, Ray. I'm going to kill you. They've probably never seen people eat like offense, like like the coaching staff of an NFL team. I mean, ordering a second lobster. You see? No, I think these guys are taking advantage of the situation. Yeah. Yeah. But the the greatest thing about Tokyo, I could not believe how clean it was. And there's no, you know, we have all these billboards. Oh, yeah. In America, like big signs, like see this lawyer. If you fall off a chair, see this lawyer. If you head underground, see this lawyer. There are none of that. Yeah. No nothing. But it's just, it's incredible. It's orderly too. Like nobody's crossing the road when it's not the walk sign. If you're going up an escalator, everybody single file on the right hand line. No one's telling people that they have to follow the rules. They just naturally the society promotes following the rules, which is interesting. Yeah. The problem is when you get into these lay flat beds, our coaches, the team doctor, we give you an ambient, ambient, ambient. And these guys go out and they are snoring and they are really sleeping. And I take the ambient and I'm like, listen to you. And I'm listening to this. I can't sleep. Coach, you got to get some noise canceling headphones. That's a good thing. And what I do is I do the air pods. I put white noise in playing on my air pods. And then I do the over ear noise canceling headphones over the air pods. Wow. I got layers to this shit going down. Oh, yeah. I got I can't hear a thing. I got to learn that. Yeah. So nice. I'd be working for the Raiders and Al Davis would be sitting in the front left. And I'm in row two to the right. And I can hear everything he's saying. So we lose to the chiefs. Derek Thomas just destroys us. And I can hear him going, is the guy a fucking idiot? Why do we hire the guy? I'm sitting right here. You know, I just jump out the plane. You know, there's a movie coming about out about Al Davis. Yeah, it'll change in it. Oh, yeah. That one. Yeah. It's about John Madden too, right? It's about John Madden. Excuse me. Yeah. I think Al Davis is in it. Is Shane played John Madden. He plays his friend, but I think actually I don't want to fucking I don't I mean, well, I'm only going off of the photos. Yeah, very public. Yeah. So you might have an actor playing you in this movie or something like that. I doubt it. You know, I'm pretty cool though. And I first got the Raider job. I think I was 34 years old. And we go play the Dallas Cowboys in our first preseason game. And Al Davis would fly all the alumni, the real alumni with us. So I'm on the sideline. And on there is Jack Tatum, you know, Ted Hendrix, Cliff Branch, all these great Raider players, Snake, Kenny Stabler, Fred Belitnikoff, Willie Brown, we're on my staff. Sick. You know, that's so cool. And then, you know, we go to practice and training camp in John Madden, which show up. You know, I'm sitting there looking up there. Like, Holy shit. One of what he thinks. I'm done. Frank Caliendo must have been licking his chop, seeing both you and Madden out there. He's like, those are my muses. We went to Italy about four years ago. My wife and I with a couple. And we were over in Italy looking at the Coliseum and seeing the Ruins. And out of nowhere, I get a call from Frank. He's in Italy. He's in the exact place we are. So we had dinner together in Rome. That's great. It's a weird deal. Yeah, but that's so it's quite a show you guys got, man. Yeah, it's a fun time. Thank you for coming on. I think this has been an absolute pleasure. I was going to say one more thing. Do you know, Jake used to be one of the producers on this show? So I heard what did he produce? He didn't do much. Now, if you get hired on it, if you get hired to like a new coaching job, but I know that's not what you're chasing. Is Jake coming with you? Oh, yeah. Jake's going to be in the what kind of position like is Jake like quality control? Like is he, you know, personal assistant? Is he has a photographic memory? The guy is really sharp. Yeah, he is. That's why we're here for trivia. He's good at it. I mean, he's, he's got a worldliness about him. He can relate to, you know, TV shows. He can relate to a lot of different things. I'm amazed at his vast and then we put in plays during quarterback school with these quarterbacks. He's going, hey, that's snug right short. He said 82 cowboy, isn't it? He, he, he, he remembered. I think, but I, I love people that are sharp. Yeah, so, so he's coming. So Jake's coming when you, when you get a job, who out, anybody else from Barstool coming? That's why I'm here. I'm scouting it out a little bit. I'll probably take sask watch. By me. Jay, even Jay, I'm sure he wants to get that scouted department. You know, he loves it. You'd be great at it. Let me, let me get a, let me get my, like just wet my beak a little bit. You know, my cold green and green bay when he hired all of us. This is 1992, the year we got Brett Farff. Yeah, he hired Andy Reed, Mary Uchi, me. We were all young guys and they all coming out of college, you know, just getting our career started. And he knew we would work hard. He knew we were loyal. We could learn what he wanted us to teach. That's it. That's, that's kind of the, the makeup of today's coaches. You know, a lot of these guys are getting younger and younger and younger every year, man. So, hey, just keep working hard, sask watch. You might be the next head coach of the Falcon. I'm done. Thank you so much. That was such a blast. Appreciate it. And yeah, just, I know it's something different, but you crushed it. That was awesome. Yeah, thank you guys, man. You guys enjoy. I've got to work on my golf game, man. - Yeah. - That was so funny. (upbeat music)