Cliffe & Stuart Knechtle Heated Debate vs Rabbi Mizrachi

Hello everybody, welcome back to the podcast. For today's episode, we have a special one. It's going to be a debate, Christians versus Rabbis. Please welcome in the Rabbis, Rabbi Agadjani and Rabbi Mizrahi. Please welcome in. Thanks for having us, man. Thanks for coming. Please welcome in the Christians for today, which will be Cliff and Stuart Netschel. Please also welcome in the moderator, welcome in the moderator, Durden. And then today's co-host will be Mike, but he's peeing. Mike will be here in a second. Oh my God, where are you going to be? You want him on this side? Yeah, sit here. He'll sit there. The moderator will be there. All right, here we go. So what are you, Jesse? One of those guys is still smiling. Where are the boys from over here? I'm Connecticut. Connecticut. Yeah, Purple County. Oh, nice. It's about an hour from here. Nice. Are you in the city or? I'm in Queens. Oh, nice. Rigo Park. You got some good candy here. Feel free to eat as you like. Thank you. Thank you. Okay, great, so if we could, we could start with you, I guess. Could you guys just introduce yourselves to anybody who might not know you and all that one? Starting with Mizrahi. Starting with, yeah. Yeah, good afternoon. My name is Rabbi Yosef Mizrahi. I speak and teach Judaism for 32 years worldwide, and mainly in English, also in Hebrew. Made thousands of videos and clips. Made some debates, some podcasts that became famous and influenced the life of many people. This is in a brief description. Okay, Rabbi Gajani? I'm the jeweler from the Diamond District. And you're dressed up today as a jeweler, or are you a jeweler? No, I'm dressed up today as somebody who's going on a Bums podcast. A Bums podcast. Look at this. You know how much this outfit cost? At least $200. All right. And no more than that. Right. Okay, now you guys. My name's Cliff, and it's a privilege to be back with you. Thanks for coming back. Yeah, Stuart. Glad to be here. Now, last time they were debating black Israelites, who I think would have defeated them in a fight. I think they would defeat you guys, though. They're going to defeat us? I think they could. Are you guys going to fight? Can you guys do that now? Then everybody will be a little crazier for the debate. If they have a point to make, you know, I don't know what the discussion is, but you know. So, you know what? You want to fight just yet? No, I don't need to fight them. Okay. We'll start with this. We started in a similar direction last time. Right. Where does everybody believe Jesus is right now? Only God knows. It's a big mystery. First question you have to ask if he even existed. That's the first question. After you come to a final 100% proof that there was such a person, then you have to ask yourself where he is now. But I think it's not in our hand to know. And today we're going to discuss some of the things and some of the claims that we hear around. And we will clarify some of the things with some solid proofs. And is it true, we discussed this last time, but you never gave a clear answer, that either you or some other Jewish people believe, some other rabbis, that Jesus is boiling in excrement? I never heard about it. I never claimed it. Did you ever hear it from me? Last time you implied it. It would be true. You said, I don't know. Well, you have to understand. I told you last time, people that follow the laws of God, which is the book of the Torah, what the Christians call the Old Testament, they follow it, they are righteous, and they are being rewarded, and they go to heaven. People that contradict the laws of God and do the opposite of that, they have to deal with the consequences of their action. Some of those consequences are that they're going to hell after they die. And in hell, there are different places where the people are judged. So if he was righteous, he's in heaven. If he was wicked, he's in hell. But it's true that at least some Jews believe he's boiling in shit. I don't know. I hope that's not the case. That's a whole faith. It's not going to do anybody any good. I guess there's a story in the Talmud. Where do you believe Jesus is right now? That's not a question I can answer. You're here as a rabbi. Right. You know, according to, you know, Christian theology, he's one with the Father. According to you. Right. According to me, I don't know. You don't know. I'm a jeweler. Jewel. You know, not a priest. He came to hear the debate mainly and to, you know, to reach some conclusion. But the notion of this excrement business, you know what I'm saying, we've got to put an end to it. No, but he has to make it juicy. He's trying to make some flame. Well, no, that's what a lot of them believe. Before everything starts, he's trying to instigate. He's trying to instigate between two nice people on both sides of his shoulders. Right. He's trying to make, you know, for the raiding, for the raiding. It's like I have a devil on this shoulder and a devil on the other shoulder. Listen, it's not going to work for you. We're already friends. We met outside. We didn't come here to fight. We came to have polite. Well, I already asked about the fight. Polite argument. They make their claims. I'll make their claims. And the people will decide. That's it. Okay, fine. All right. So where do you guys believe Jesus is right now? Well, I'm convinced that Jesus is in heaven, which is life in a different dimension. I'm convinced that I can't prove that. So I don't have 100% certainty. In fact, I think if we're all going to be intellectually honest with each other, we're going to have to admit that none of us have 100% certainty. It's impossible to be 100% certain. There's always a possibility that I don't understand reality totally. We all have faith. And biblical faith is a response to evidence. And the evidence is Jesus lived a sinless life. He taught amazing teachings. He died on a cross, forgiving and loving his enemies. He rose from the dead. And based on that historical evidence, I put my faith in Christ. And he ascended to heaven. And he's coming back a second time. He promised. But that belief is based on the evidence that Jesus is reliable. What do you think, Stuart? Well, we worship a Jew, for sure, to begin with. Which is already a miracle. Yeah, yeah, there you go. Exactly. So he's ascended to the Father. But we don't know what ascended to the Father, sitting at the right hand of the Father, exactly looks like. Is that literal or does he actually on a chair? I doubt it. But he has ascended. And I take that because I honor the Old Testament as well as the New Testament. Nobody likes standing all the time. A chair would be more ideal. Facts, facts. He is God, though, at the same time. So he could sit, stand, whatever he wants to do. So for me, it comes down to the reliability of the Gospels. Do I find them reliable or not? And I think they are solid historically as well as the Old Testament. Okay, great. And what do you think is the, we'll start with you guys this time, is the biggest flaw in the other person's argument in their religion? The biggest flaw is answering the question, who is Jesus, by saying he was just a rabbi. He was just a good teacher or he was just a bad teacher. The reason I say that's a flaw is because he does not allow that due to the extreme nature of his claims. In John 8, 58, he says, before Abraham was born, I am. And John was a Jew. And Jesus was a Jew. And clearly, as Jewish men, they understood that God, Yahweh, is I am who I am. And Jesus took the name of the eternal, preexistent God, I am, and applied it to himself. And his listeners had no problem understanding. They picked up stones to stone him for blasphemy. Now, why would I believe that Jesus, a first century Jew, is more than a man? Because three days after he died on the cross, he physically, bodily rose from the dead. And over a period of 40 days, he appeared to over 500 people who saw him risen from the dead. According to a very fine Jewish man who was a Pharisee named Saul of Tarsus, who became the Apostle Paul. So we're talking about a very Jewish faith. And therefore, anti-Semitism in the name of Christianity is a total contradiction. It's hypocrisy. As a follower of Christ, I worship a Jew. But I'm convinced he's more than just a man. Because he claimed to be God in human form. And then he backed it up with a sinless life. Amazing ethical teachings. A death on a cross where he forgave his enemies. And then a resurrection. And then a resurrection from the dead. What about anti-Semitism in the name of saving the world? Is that okay? No. It wouldn't be okay to be anti-Semitic to save the world? Nope. Because that's a false understanding of saving the world. You don't save the world by hating people. What if somebody put me in a position where I had to be anti-Semitic or he would drop a nuclear bomb that would destroy the whole world? Well, then you better make a decision whether it's right to sacrifice your life for what is true. Is it right to sacrifice your life for human beings? Or is it right to save your life for human beings? You could be a little anti-Semitic so the bomb don't drop. Don't worry about it. Even he thinks it's okay. We give you permission. And to what they said about Jesus, he rose from the dead. What's your response, Trax? Well, listen. I mean, it's a matter of faith. It's an extraordinary miracle that a Jewish man was able to, you know, become the center of the entire European civilization. You go to Europe. You go to every single city. And the center is the biggest cathedral, the biggest church. And inside is. a crucified Jewish man. man you know on a cross that almost sounds like you're gloating well listen that's an extraordinary uh thing you know knowing the jewish people that that doesn't usually happen uh that that type of worship right so there's something obviously a spiritual connection to god that it's going to be hard to deny okay and your response okay so let's do it in the right order you have to focus on what i say so according to the christian belief is god gave the torah to the jewish people in a public event in mount sinai 3300 years ago muslims and christians do not deny it the whole religious people you know from all three religions admit that the jews received the torah directly from moses in front of the nation and with speaking with god everyone heard the voice of god and he gave them the torah now 1300 years later came the new testament which is part two of god's book right the same god same creator same author he gave book number one and now he's giving a continuation there's only one problem when you go to part two you see that it contradicts the torah in thousands of subjects dates names it does not make any sense give you just one simple example as the gentleman's claim that jesus is god and he's giving a continuation there's only one problem when you go to part two you see that god or god came into his body and all of that i'll just give you a quote from the book of matthew matthew 20 matthew 21 this is what's written over there and before before jesus died this is what he said eli eli lama zaptani god god why did you leave me you know so if he's god why he's asking god that he left him you know so if he's god why he's asking god that he left him you know so if he's If you're God, you're supposed to save yourself. If people come to kill you and you can't even protect yourself, how exactly are you going to protect billions of people in the world and save them? Well, you can't even help yourself. I'll give you one other example. In the book of Matthew, chapter 5, verse 17 to 19, he's giving a speech. Do you believe in the book of Matthew? I don't believe in any Christian book. For me, it's 1 billion percent clear. Just like we know it's day outside. It's clear 100 percent that these books had nothing to do with God. Well, you just went down a lot. You started at a billion, and within a couple seconds, you went to 100. Is there room for less than 100? Maybe we could get to 50. The chance that Christianity has anything to do with the creator of the world, it's 0 percent. There's not even 1 percent chance. I can prove it to you beyond. Again, you changed again. You said 0. You went from 0. Not beyond reasonable doubt. Beyond any doubt. You know, I already made one. But you went from 0. You went from 0 to less than 1, which could imply 0.99. Again, 0 percent chance. Now we're back to 0. That has anything to do with the creator of the world. I already made one famous debate with a Christian professor who teach Christianity for 30-something years at that time. Everybody can watch it and see that he did not have one answer to answer. But let me give you another example. Well, let them respond to that first. No, no, but it's the same answer. I didn't finish my answer. So in the book of Matthew. Matthew chapter 5 verse 17 to 19, Jesus come to his followers, to his students, and this is what he say. Do not think I came to contradict the Torah. I did not come to contradict the Torah. I only came to explain and fulfill. Anyone who will change one letter from the Torah or one of the commandments of the Torah, even the smallest one, and will instruct people otherwise than what's written will be cursed. will be cursed by the kingdom of heaven. Meaning God will curse him. And yet you see the Christians today that follow Christianity, now one of them keep one of the commandments of the Torah. None of it. they completely contradict the torah they eat pork they not do not observe the sabbath they do all kinds of things that the torah forbid the followers of god to do now i would like to read to you something from your book you tell me please how from yogurt tell me how do you explain that the people that made up the story about jesus they they were not knowledgeable in jewish law they say this is what's written over there that they brought jesus to a trial this was passed over eve they brought him to the house of the high priest the quen gadol and then they they ruled that he has to be executed the next day they crucified him they didn't know that the jewish law required the sanedrin the big court of 71 judges to announce 40 days before the execution for anyone who has something to say for the person's protection before they execute him to come and make their claim so it was impossible it's impossible that today they ruled that someone has to die and tomorrow it will already be executed that's a complete lie it never happened all right i'm going to jump in now you're going off the wall here you made a statement that you can prove that god spoke to moses on mount sinai yes now let's be intellectually honest yeah nobody can prove that god spoke to anybody you can't prove that so you cannot prove that god spoke to moses on mount sinai that is absolutely impossible maybe you'll put together some evidence but it's impossible to prove means to show that it cannot be another way secondly obviously jesus was nailed to a cross and obviously he was nailed to a cross because he claimed to be god in human form that's blasphemy now i can't prove to you that jesus rose from the dead but the historical evidence is he really died on the cross was buried and three days later he rose from the dead and over a period of 40 days he appeared over 500 people who saw him risen from the dead can you prove i can't prove that i'm not a bad dream you're having right now sir to prove means to show it cannot be another way i can't prove anything instead as a thinking human being i base my life on evidence evidence reliability you can't you can't prove to me that this gentleman doesn't have a knife he's going to stick in your back but the evidence is very likely this guy is a nice guy he's not going to stick a knife in your back therefore you didn't rifle through his pockets before you sat where you're sitting you don't base your life on proof that is so intellectually dishonest it's scary you base your life on evidence all right evidence is he's reliable that's why you trust him you don't rifle through his pockets to look for the gun or the knife okay because i'm because of the color of my skin. I was in the middle of proving something. You cut me off. No, you didn't prove anything, sir. No, no, I was in the middle of it. No, you're not in the middle of it. He's not proving anything. You haven't even started to prove it. He's about to prove the whole thing. Give him a second. He's about to shut down the whole debate for the rest of humanity. Give him a second here. So now, let's clarify one thing. Christians are admitting that the Torah is the Word of God. They never denied it. I can never show that any book is the Word of God. How on earth the intellectually honest person say, This book is the word of God. You can't do that. You have to make up your mind. If you are a Christian, the solid foundation of Christianity, that it came out of Judaism. The Christian never denied the Jews received the Torah from God in front of millions of witnesses. Actually, they discussed it in every church in the world. So you're trying now to rewrite history? It's not going to work for you. You have to stick to your own religion. I am listening to what you say, and I'm responding to what you say. I am not talking to the majority of Christians who live for the past 2,000 years. Do Christians deny the Jews got the Torah from God in Mount Sinai? Do they deny it? Yes or no? Many Christians today deny the Bible is the Word of God. They view it as an interesting book of literature. Their religion wasn't given today. I'm talking the first Christians. Get into the culture that you live in, sir. In the culture in America today, the majority of Christians don't believe the Bible is the Word of God. The majority of Jews that I talk to don't believe the Torah is the Word of God. They believe it's an interesting work of literature. Come on, guys, be honest. Orthodox, conservative, reformed. The majority of my friends who are Jewish are reformed. So think. Do you believe the Torah is the work of God or the word of God? Forget about what other people, you know, and the going on. Hold on for a second, Trax. I wanted to get back into the evidence. Can we go to the evidence real quick? Yes, please. All right, so, you know, the New Testament that called the Torah. I want to give the evidence, we can end the debate. The New Testament that called the Torah the Old Testament, meaning it's the word of God, right? It cannot contradict the first book of God if it's the same God, right? That's right. Okay, so now, according to their book, they executed Jesus on Passover. Now, it's against the Torah. Nobody was ever. The Jews did not execute Jesus, the Romans did. No, I know, but the execution was, the execution can never be on Yom Tov. If they claim in their book that Sanhedrin, the Jewish court, actually sentenced him to death, and the next day he was already executed, something like this could have never happened because nobody is executed on the Sabbath or on the holiday. The Romans executed people all days of the week. Hold on a second. And they hung on a cross, all right? There's no point you're making. This is valid. Can I say something? Can I ask a question? You can say whatever you want to. Okay. have you ever asked a goyim to do something for you on the sabbath no even that is not allowed have you ever done it have you ever had a goyim turn on the lights for you only you don't have a shabbos goyim only if it's only if it's for sick person there are rules about it but in general we're not asking gentles to do anything i thought a lot of the time the jews will hire black people They'll turn the lights on and off and open the refrigerator. No, that's only for the sake of the public and for the sake of the sick people. The sake of the public? That's a horrible look that they have people doing that. You should try to hide that as much as possible. All right, so again, we are not allowed to tell a Gentile to desecrate the Sabbath for us. Oh, I get it. They're allowed to do it for themselves. But you're allowed to go like this. You're allowed to go, woo-hoo. I didn't tell him anything. Refrigerator, please. You just have to keep it hidden or no? Is that allowed? You can, if you want a hint. I've seen it done. And they do it on their own. It's a different story. But to give a direct order. What a dumb trick. Why would, that's nonsense. That's the same thing. So maybe they did that with the Romans is all I'm trying to say. All right, now can I finish? I got you to concede there. I got you to concede. No. The debate is currently tied, but I got a point, actually. I'm the current leader. And by the way, I just want to mention real quick. Sorry to interrupt you. The winner of the debate will receive one $30 Fortnite gift card and two Among Us VR codes on MetaQuest. Can I? I got a question when we're ready for me over here. Just one second. In the book of Matthew, pages 16, Jesus said to his student, I'm telling you today, any one of you is standing here today will not die until they see my kingdom on humanity. He never been a kingdom on humanity. He was transfigured right after that point. The Messiah. Transfigured and they saw him in his glorified form. That's a simple one. Come on. Now let's get hard. According to the Messiah, according to the Torah, the Messiah has to gather all the Jews into Israel, build the temple, build the temple for God, and win the wars against all the enemies of Israel. So far, we have plenty of enemies. We didn't see that Jesus helped us in any way. He did not find any one of our enemies, and he did not gather any Jew to Israel, to the best of my knowledge. Jesus will express his power when he comes a second time. The first time he came to give his life. On the cross. And leave an illusion that he did what the Torah said that he has to do. So far, none of that had happened. But now I'm going to give you a killer proof that after that you probably won't know what to say. You're going to go back to prove? Yeah, with your book. No, no, no. There's no such thing as proof. From your own book. You're a killer, Ronnie. I can't prove anything. Start thinking with us. Evidence, sir. That proof. Evidence, yes. I can't prove it. Evidence. Evidence. All right, fine. He's about to prove it. Hold on. Evidence. Now, according to the Torah, believing means not knowing. Christianity is all based on faith. You want to believe, you believe. You don't want to believe. Nothing can be proven. The question is what? That's good. That's good. You're right. The question is what is faith? Biblical faith is a response to evidence. It's not proven. Biblical faith is not blind. The evidence is God exists. Therefore, we believe God exists. The evidence is Jesus lived a sinless life, taught amazing teachings, died unharmed. He died on a cross and rose from the dead. That's why I believe it. So remember, biblical faith is not proven, and biblical faith is not blind faith. All right. So now, in the Torah, which they admit is the book of God, it's written to the Jews. You have to know. Do you admit that? You have to know I'm your God. The whole nations of the world should know I'm God. You should know there's no other God but me. Above the heavens and under the earth, there's no other God but me. In the Ten Commandments, it says you should not have any other God but me. That's right. But it's talking about knowledge. Nowhere it says you have to believe I'm your God. You have to believe I will save you. You have to believe that I manage and run the world. There's no such thing. Abraham didn't have faith? Abraham had faith, but he had knowledge. Okay, thank you. Abraham had a bunch of faith. He had knowledge because God spoke to him. Yeah, he also had knowledge of God. When God speaks to you, you have knowledge. You don't depend on, you don't rely on faith. Oh, yes, you do. The only way you can have religion. The only way you can have a relationship is through faith. Again. You're going to trust a person. You don't. Believing means not knowing. You ask any scientist. Yes. No, that's what I believe. When a scientist says we believe that next month this and this is going to happen, that means there is a doubt if it will happen. If they know for sure it's going to happen, they say we know that's what's going to happen. When I say I believe next month something will happen in the stock market, everybody knows it's questionable. All your culture and faith. It is all fate. It's just an illusion. Someone told you a story and you based your entire life and future based on some fairy tale that someone said, but you don't have one proof or one piece of evidence. But I will bring you an evidence from your own book that your entire story, it's a made-up story. It never happened. You're assuming I have a view of the New Testament that I have not said I have. You are so prejudiced. You believe in the New Testament? You believe or you don't? No, I don't believe in the New Testament. I believe. I believe in Jesus Christ. What about the New Testament? The New Testament is an accurate historical record of how Jesus lived, taught, died, and rose from the dead. So if I want to find out about Jesus, yes, I've got to read the New Testament. Okay. And the New Testament, who wrote it? Many different people wrote the New Testament, and many people wrote the Old Testament as well. Many Jews. Many Jews. Okay. Did it come from God or people made it up? Neither. You're drawing a false distinction. It's not from God? It's an historical record, and once you begin to experience it, the trustworthiness of God, then you have a reason to trust the Torah, to trust the New Testament as the Word of God. But until you experience the trustworthiness of Christ in your life, you have no reason to believe that this book is the Word of God. Prove to me that any book, I don't care if it's the Torah, the New Testament, the Koran, is the Word of God. How are you going to prove that any book is the Word of God? It's impossible, guys. Nobody can do it. It's very possible. How do you prove any book is the Word of God? I'll tell you how how if the book is full of prophecies that each one of them is against all odds No person could predict such thing and then throughout history you see that all the prophecies of the Torah all of them happen When yet in Christianity, you don't have one prophecy Actually, they try Constantine 1800 years ago try to give one prophecy in Christianity that the Jews after they punished and the second temple was destroyed there will never go back to the Holy Land and when the Jews came back to The Holy Land and established themselves a country in a state. They asked the Christian Church What do you have to say about the mistake in your in your one prophecy that you try to give and their answer was the Vatican does not recognize the state of Israel. Did you ever hear you? Stepping into a horrible hole of pit Yeah The Bible never says in the Old Testament or the New Testament That the Jews are going to come back to the promised land in 1940s never says that and that's not the claim First of all, he does say no it does where in the Bible doesn't say the come back to the promised land in the 1940s Come on. No, I did. I didn't say 1940s It says that I will gather you from all the nation and bring you back to the land of your pet of your father's Abraham Isaac and Jacob I will gather you from all the exiles and I'll bring you into Israel And it's called the boots Galio historical facts. I left bed. That's the first step that everybody knows I mean you're the first time that I hear somebody Christian that claims that God never promised to the Jews that he collect them from all the nations and bring them into the Promised land now in the 1940s. Yes To be in the promised land where did you when did you hear me say 1940s? I said you never said the 1940s Okay, so you're talking about the Jews coming back to the promised land and that's obviously happened in the 1940s But that was not predicted by the Bible, but the Jews now live in Israel. Yes or no some Jews Oh a fraction of the one prophecy you don't live in Israel according to the one According to the one prophecy that your made-up religion tries a house in the West Bank one prophecy You try to be expanding and that's probably you have to be complete false Now if the one prophecy the one prophecy that Constantine eighteen hundred years ago to be kidding me What does Constantine have to do? To do with the New Testament was the poor dude lived over three years after the fact Let me ask you a question. Come on. I think how many years after Jesus Christianity started, do you know? Yeah, it started right with Jesus a Christian is a follower of Jesus Christ the evangelist that started to write book and Luke Matthew John was marching What how many years what is Luke's Matthew died? They started to tell the fairy tales about his life. Do you know oral tradition? We are not right after the resurrection of Christ Absolutely not absolutely first Corinthians Philippians chapter 2 no and then Galatians 2 Oh, by the way You have Peter who's falling into all kinds of Jewish customs and then Paul had to go talk him out and show him what the true Gospel is and then Paul himself asked her the road to Damascus Got the messaging when he met Christ from the disciples what occurred at the resurrection you can five hundred plus in first Corinthians 15 You know all the eyewitnesses many have fallen asleep. So don't go check with the dead ones That's what that means you and then a bunch are named Simon of Cyrene father of Alexander and Rufus Footnotes sources go talk to those who are in the community. So when you keep saying this is the problem I have with you Nobody ever saw honest debate. It started seven years after he died You're not seven years after he died you telling me stories about the grand grandfather written as fairytale. You could say it's not true But it's written as historical documentation. That's the problem any good look any literally I mean CS Lewis, for example any good literary critic will say It's not written as fairytale. You can't say it's fairytale. You could say it did not happen. It's fiction. Yeah, or it's nonfiction I got a lot are you just stepping right in just saying that just shows that you haven't done your work. Okay? All right, historically, guys, we could go back and forth a day and night here. But here's the good news, okay? Let's say there was no Jesus Christ. Here's the good news. My gold is 20% off for Halloween. That's right, on TracksMySea.com. But let's say this. If there was no Jesus Christ, what do you think would be going on with these two goyim right now? Would it be bad or would it be good? I'm asking you, Rabbi. First of all, this question was asked to the greatest rabbi ever lived in America. And now I'm asking you. Rabbi Avigdor Miller, what's better for America, to be a country of atheists or to be a country of Christians? What's the question? The question is that according to the Torah, the Christians are idol worshipers. They worship being a human being. What are you talking about? They have Abraham. They have Isaac. They have Jacob. Let me finish. I'll explain. Then you won't have a question. Okay. So according to the Torah, anyone worship anyone but God is an idol worshiper. Jews and Gentiles. Jews and Gentiles who worship anyone but God. Before we get into the idol worshiping, I have a quick question for you. Because I wanted to ask this for a couple of minutes. I'm answering his question. I know, but we. Then you can ask your question right after. Okay, fine. All right. So according to the Torah, Jews and Gentiles, no difference, they worship anyone but the creator of the world, God himself. And it's in the second commandment of the Ten Commandments. It's subject to a death penalty and eternal cut for their soul in the afterlife. So any kind of worship. You guys are screwed. worshiping someone besides God, claiming he has a son, claiming there is another God, claiming this Buddha is the God, or anything like that, let's consider idol worshiping. Now, they ask Rabbi Avigdor Miller, what's worse, to live in a country that people have ethics, they follow some of the ethics of the Torah, many of the laws that the Torah has Christians adopted, right? So to live in society when there are idol worshipers, but at the same time, there are more ethical people. There are atheists and criminals. Or should we live in a country that nobody believes in any fake religion, but they don't believe in God? What on earth does this have to do with anything? Should we live in a country? I'm answering him. So the answer of the big rabbi was, better that we live among the Christians, even though they worship someone else but God. All right, good. It's better to live among them because at least they have more ethics. What's your point? I'm answering him. He's giving you guys a compliment. I'm getting lost. Just answer it clearly. You lose. Short term. You've got to be concise and clear. I'm meaning as horrible as it is that you guys are idol worshipers. All right, fine. We got it. That's all I wanted. We got it. We got your point. And according to God, every Jew and a Gentile that is an idol worshiper is subject to the worst punishment that God has to offer. All right, why do you believe that? Because there's no evidence to support that, but it's an interesting blind belief. It's written in the Torah, you should not have any other gods but me, and right next to it, it says that it's an eternal cut. Who do you listen to? What? It's the evidence that they're reliable. Better to live among idol worshipers that have manners and they will form society. So you can be an atheist and be a Jew. Again. You can be a Jew and be an atheist. He asked me where would we be without Christianity. Where would we be? You can be a Jew and be an atheist, sir. You can go to places, liberal places. Jews have beliefs that are all over the world. Liberal places. I respect Jews. I'm listening to you. When you think poorly, you've got to be honest. They don't believe. I was going to say, I don't understand. Liberal Jews and liberal Gentiles, they don't believe in God. They want to form a country of Sodom and Gomorrah. When you don't believe in God, you have no fear from God. Right. So if we live in a country of atheists and infidels and heretics who don't believe in God and they just think that they are one more species in nature and live like animals, that's worse than living with Muslims who believe in God or Christians that believe in God. I don't believe in God, but the Christians believe in another God. All right. Thank you for your answer. We're in. We're in. We got you. Hey, guys. Sorry for the interruption. 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That's Sheath.com, S-H-E-A-T-H.com, and use my code MATAN. Thank you to the dumb people at Sheath for sponsoring today's episode. And this is a question for you. Yes. Will Hashem give me a double-penetrating unkempt herald if I place a note asking for it in the Wailing Wall? Skip to the next question and grow up already. What's the problem with that question? Come on. He said that if you place a note there, maybe you'll get something good. What is it relevant now to speaking if Christianity is real or not? Tell me, how is it connected? Stick to the topic. You want me to answer the question? How is it relevant? To put a note in the Western Wall. Listen, you want to know how it's relevant? You can put. Listen. Hussein Obama put a note in the Western Wall. You can ask him if it helped him. I like how you introduced him as Hussein Obama. I agree. But listen. Because I facilitated this debate, and I want to facilitate more debates in the future. But if I have to be farming all day. For the double penetrating unkempt herald. I'll have less time. And I don't have enough self-control to get off the game before I get the weapon. Well, that's too bad for you. So if I get the weapon sooner with the note, then I can do more of these. And we can have more Christian discussions. That's the relevance. I have a very important question to these gentlemen. As they are teachers of Christianity. If they can answer this question that bothers me for 30 years. Do you mind? But focus, please. In your book, you are describing right in the beginning. The genealogy of Jesus. You are trying to link. You are trying to link Joseph, the carpenter to King David. The reason you are doing it is because in the Torah, it's a Messiah, son of David. The Messiah not only has to be a righteous Jew, he has to come from the family of King David. If he links to the family of King David, there is a chance he is the Messiah. If he does not, it doesn't matter how righteous he is. He can never be the Messiah. So you describe. You describe about 30 generations more or less from Joseph, the carpenter, from King David, all the way to Joseph, the carpenter. And right after that, you tell a story that Joseph and Mary got married and Joseph went out of town. And he came back a few months later and he saw that his wife, she's pregnant. And he asked her, what did you do? I never had intimacy with you. What does this have to do with Don Quimtero? And she said, God came to me in a dream and made me. I don't see the relation. Made me pregnant. God came to me in a dream and made me pregnant. And I never cheated. I did not do anything unethical. OK, so now in one book, you describe certain genealogy and another book in the same evangelist. You describe a complete different genealogy with 22 mistakes. So now you don't even know the genealogy of your hero. You don't know who was his parents and grandparents. And you want to claim to the. All right, you made your point. Wait, wait, I didn't even start to make my point. Wait a minute. Oh, my God. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Oh, my God. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. I'm ready. Wait a minute. No, yeah. We've. The point can't be three hours long. Wait, wait, wait a minute. Now, if your religion came from God. I need to build one later. They're paying me like four grand. All right, now I'm going to answer your question. Matthew gives the genealogy of Joseph. You will have all the time to answer. No, you're not asking a question. You can ask that for an hour. Rubble, rubble, rubble, rubble, rubble. You're making your point. You're not asking a question. You see, he knows that I'm putting him in a hole that he won't be able to come out of it. So you're cutting me out. Matthew's genealogy is the genealogy of Joseph. That's your manipulation. Luke's genealogy, because he says Jesus was the son of Joseph, so it was thought, is the genealogy of Peter. What are you afraid of? Moderator. You can answer right now. No, you're just a talk. That's all you're here. You're not here to really. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Discuss. You're just a talk. Right. So if you want to just talk. I want to know what the question is. Come on. I want the question. Let me finish the question, and then you take all the time to answer. What's the question? Don't be afraid. Genealogies are followed. We're going to come to the right conclusion today. Genealogies. Relax. You were good. You were good. You were good for the first time. You're making him wait so long. First time he says something. I'm telling you to keep it quick. What's the question? You finally woke him up. He's been sleeping for years. If God has anything to do with Jesus, and you're calling him his son, how can he doesn't know who is his father, grandfather, and all the way to King David? In one book, in Christianity, it describes one genealogy. All right. We got it. Okay. Now, the second question. Now, can we answer you? No, no. One at a time. Oh, no. Okay, fine. It's the same question. So don't call yourself an open-minded thinker. You're not an open-minded thinker. You just like to gain your points. That's all you're doing. Why would God come to a married woman after he warned in the Torah that anyone who will have a relationship with a married woman will get the death penalty and have no. no share to the world to come. After he teaches humanity how horrible it is to go with a married woman of another man, there are millions of single women. He can come to any single woman and make her pregnant. But from all the single women out there, he decided to go to a married woman of another man and make her pregnant, which according to the Torah, it's going to be an illegitimate son. Illegitimate son. A son that was married to a married woman that cheated is not a legitimate son. Now you tell me now, how can God not know the genealogy and why would he go to a married woman? Boy and boys, now it's time for you to answer. Even he wants to chime in. Why would you describe the genealogy? Of Joseph the carpenter, when right after that you said that he's not the biological father of J.C. Why would you make a joke out of yourself? If you try to link J.C. to talking. You're the one who's making a joke out of things. No, let's hear you answer. You're not giving a fair discussion. Let's hear you answer. Hold on, hold on, hold on. We have to be fair here. Usually he shows up with many more people than the other debater. Today it's two on two, so to make it fair, you guys will get one minute to respond and he'll get 15 minutes to make a point. I don't mind, I can speak 40 minutes. That's never going to end, we don't have unlimited time. No, we cannot speak 40 minutes, that's not fair. No. That is not respecting somebody else. They've just done more podcasts, they know that there's a limited amount of time. All the time you need to answer me why God would come to a married woman, why he doesn't know the genealogy of J.C. Just answer that question and we'll move on. And why did you waste a whole page to describe that J.C. linked to King David. That was four questions. And he wasn't. Actually the son of Joseph. You have to ask one question at a time. Please explain, I want to hear the answer, let's go. That was four, the answer to which one of them? It's all one question. Go ahead, I want to hear. All right, Matthew's genealogy is probably the genealogy of Joseph. Probably? You have to know your details. You have to listen. Enough, I'm tired of your assumptions. There we go. You gave him four seconds. Probably, probably, probably, five million probably. He's nervous. Don't be nervous, he's scared. And you want to fool the whole world with your nonsense. No, no, go ahead. Enough with the probably. Give details. No, why don't you just talk some more. Probably. You just want to talk. That's what you've done. Not to listen. The entire religion is on probably. He doesn't want to answer that one. That's a tough one. I don't want probably. I want details. No, sorry. I'm going to answer it the way I desire to, the same way you answer the way you desire to. All right, go ahead. Go ahead. So don't tell me how I'm going to answer you, okay? Take your time. Take your time. That's not fair intellectually. Go ahead. Take your time. Take your time, Cliff. All right. Take your time. Go ahead. So Joseph's genealogy is in Matthew. Mary's genealogy is in Luke. That's the first point. So they're two different genealogies because the main point of the book of Luke for chapters one and two is Jesus was not the son of Joseph. Jesus was born of a virgin, Mary. The second point is the Hebrew word for son of, ben, can mean descendant of. And when you notice how Matthew groups together the genealogy in his genealogy. Early chapters there, it is clear he means descendant of, not literally son of. This has to do with the unkempt herald, man. So that's the answer to the genealogy issue. Okay? Okay. So what's the next issue? All right. Wait, wait. That wasn't. No, no, no. I'm going to go. I'm going to go. No, no, wait, wait. No, no, no. Give me a chance. Give me a chance. Give him a chance. Give him a chance. Give him 40 minutes, bud. We'll hear you. But what you just. You have such two ears God gave you. No, respond after. Respond after. That's the most deceiving I ever seen. Mary has nothing to do with that genealogy goes based on a father. I'm speaking Jewish right now. Okay. Okay. Do you know what a Toledot is? Out of the birth narrative. Generations are skipped in Toledot's genealogies. So in Matthew and Luke, you have from a Gentile perspective in Luke, and then you have from a Jewish perspective in Matthew. The reason why you're not going to see the direct one generation, two generation, three generations, because Toledot's were written in such a way where there was skipping of generations. So when you see the skipping of generations doesn't mean that they don't line up. Doesn't mean that there's a contradiction. That's how Toledot's were written back then. I'm sorry. Another scam. You are very good with publishing scams because. You're very good. You don't want to listen. I don't want to listen. You don't want to have an honest dialogue. You just want to pontificate. Listen. You realize that every time I say something, they begin to cut. They begin to scream. Why they begin to scream? Because they know what's coming for them. And you like to make false accusations. That's scary. That's why. So don't fool your audience. There are 22 different names. Jesus Christ is reliable in a way. There are not names. All of this stuff you're pontificating on is not reliable. Again, again. They don't let me speak. You see, every time. Oh, you've spoken more than we have. Don't tell us we don't allow you to speak. That's why. I'm replying to you. I'm replying to you. No, you're not. I'm replying. You're not replying. I am. You're pontificating. No. You're lecturing. You're monologuing. He said that the genealogy, they skip generations. If they skip generation, at least the names that appear would be similar. But there are 22 names completely different. So please save this lie and give some more respect to the audience. From a Gentile perspective, including people who are not true, like Rahab, for example. There are different names. She's included in the Gentile genealogy written by Luke. That makes total sense. The doctor. He's not the Jew. But the names are complete. Matthew is the Jew. So he is focusing on the Jewish genealogy. It makes total sense. What you say will only be true if all the names that appear will be similar. Jesus Christ rose from the dead. But in this case, they are completely different names. He's alive today. And he loves you. And I pray that you come to know him. Because he's the one who loves you. And he died for you on a cross. And he rose from the dead. I manage pretty well without his love. So you need to -- I manage pretty good without his love. Oh, yeah. Well, you have a date with death, as we all do. Are you threatening him? Are you threatening to kill him? And Jesus promises eternal life to all who trust in him. And you have no eternal life through Moses. You have no eternal life through Abraham. You have no eternal life through Isaiah, Jeremiah, Habakkuk. But Jesus Christ promises eternal life to all who trust in him. That's why you need Jesus. Hey, listen. Hold on. Hold on. I got to call something. Hold on. Hold on a second. another language yelling notes at you the whole time why you would still what do you mean what do you mean why that doesn't seem obvious i'm going to repeat what i say in english anyway he's not in the debate he's sitting over there how's that allowed tell me when you're taking a test in school do you get to have a guy on a phone over there looking stuff up for you let me ask you a question you is god is a grandson of king david who gave birth to to god king david are you asking this to me i'm asking it to you as a as a secular person tell me is it possible that king david brought god to the world i don't think that's what they believe either you're asking me a rhetorical question this isn't a serious question that's why they're trying to prove they're trying to prove that their god is a grandson okay so let me ask king david i asked hold on hold on god needs okay okay king david to bring him to the world all right all right do you guys believe that king david gave birth to god no okay so the answer is no so why ask me because that's what the book is trying to describe that jesus linked to king david king david gave birth to jesus but then they said that he's going crazy the father is actually it has nothing to do with his biological birth he's not really the father i like his version no but i don't like it but i don't know this is a really fun i understand if i'm wrong if i'm writing a holy book he's starting to win and i'm trying to describe that joseph the carpenter is linking to king okay one point from and right after that i said that's the funny part of jc i make myself a complete fool everyone would laugh at me got him got him yeah all right now i would like to ask king david to bring king david to the world i want to ask you a question can god be hungry if god doesn't have what to eat can he survive or he needs really food like me and you what do you think that's a serious question asking them i'm asking them i'm talking about himself and becoming a human being yeah so jesus was hungry jesus sweat he was a human being yeah and jesus physically died on the cross that's your jesus was god he was humbling himself limiting himself and becoming a human being okay so so is he can he be hungry if god is in here you're not listening i said not only can he become hungry he sweat and he died on a cross physically okay so let's okay so god limited himself became a human being in jesus of nazareth and the reason that i believe that is because three days after he died he rose from the dead it's that historical resurrection that sets christ apart as unique all right the grave of moses is full the grave of abraham is full the grave of isaiah and jeremiah are full but the grave of jesus christ is empty it is that historical resurrection that sets christ apart as totally unique different and that's why when christ claims to be god in human form i trust him because he was dead and rose from the dead rabbi if you die and rise from the dead sir i promise to listen very carefully to everything you have to say because the evidence is you're in touch with reality you died and you rose from the dead all right so just to clarify were you threatening to kill him earlier when you said he's gonna die soon no all right that sounded like a vicious threat which i thought was pretty cool so i'll give you a point all right so now we're tied and we're gonna die so now again it sounds like the statistics on maybe i should have checked you for the weapon one out of one die every every single one of us in this room is going to die everything they claim and all their knowledge come from the new testament now when you review their books when you review the books they are full of sounds like that knowledge is coming from his brain human errors now god doesn't come to kill you that's full of human errors i give you an example it say that jacob went to egypt with 70 people but in their books it became 75 god forgot how many people went with jacob to egypt how can he forget and make such a silly mistake that every little jew in a yeshiva knows h5 already know that jacob went to egypt with 70 people as it described in the book of exodus and all of a sudden in the new testament it said that he went to egypt with 75 where does it say that i can show you the source 100 percent all right yeah but let's get back to jesus stuart why is jesus so reliable jesus is so reliable because what is this source this is just a bunch of hebrew it's highlighted he's got the hebrew gospel but i don't know what's written on here i don't know if this is the gospel or his notes it kind of looks like it's not because it's all highlighted uh he's highlighted debates from uh previous rabbis against christianity oh this is the talmud right here we're looking out no that's that's actually a book that was written by written by a former pastor from this is a former pastor bishop it was a pastor whatever and he after he realized that christianity is all fairy tales and it's full of human arrows he left it and converted to judaism and he wrote this book showing all their mistakes and all their schemes so we live in so this is the gospel how they choose how they train him after a family how they try to want to sell how they train christ how they train him as a christian missionary people how they train them that's intellectually dishonest he's actually describing it's not a fairy tale he was an historical person in the year 2026 okay that's 2026 years just after the birth that's because he only played it five times that's what it is how is it because you interrupt me doesn't mean you're speaking how has the jew convinced it certainly means he's speaking almost 34 of the world that he's the son of god how did the jew do it all right who's the most successful rabbi in history let me ask why would you ask him a question worded like that you're gonna make him super that he's gonna go on for 10 minutes i want to who's the more successful rabbi you or jc let me ask you a question what do you have more in the world diamonds your jeweler diamonds or sand what do you have more uh sand okay so what's more precious diamond or sand based on your theory and your assumption sand is better than diamond because there's more of it in the world there is much more garbage in the world than diamonds because there is more garbage it doesn't make it more important than diamonds so this is a stupid claim to sand is probably far more important than diamonds in the grand scheme of things let me ask you a question hundreds of millions of people smoke and take drugs that's missing the whole doesn't make it right oh come on yeah you gotta listen come on does it make it right yeah yeah this is not a fair it helps me sleep yeah totally erroneous all right you were saying something over there what were you saying over there who's a more successful rabbi you or jc first of all the biggest first of all he was a rabbi that was just a student in yeshiva that was kicked out of the yeshiva because he was looking at the ladies and his rabbi threw him out of yeshiva then he started to collect all the homeless people on the streets and preach to them but you know what what he told them i never came to dare to contradict one of the commandments of the torah right everybody must follow the torah and the rabbis that's in the new testament the rabbis are sitting on the chair of moses anyone who will modify the torah and teach people to do otherwise than the two commandments of god will be cursed by god and they are contradicting the torah completely in their lifestyle right they don't follow the instruction of their god their god to say you have to observe the sabbath you have to follow the oral torah the rabbis that sits on the chair of moses but they come here for an hour and totally contradict everything that is in the torah and the rabbis jesus order his students no i don't understand they are confused oh you're not jc if jc is your hero the first thing you have to do is to listen to what he says right if he says where's the story that he got kicked out of yeshiva i'm certainly pretty confused right now you're just making this stuff up yeah yeah yeah you're making this stuff up your own teammate is he's a traitor now he's in exile i'm just curious i'm a curious person tell me tell me they they say i have a feeling they're not really looking for me to tell you very much who came before the sages the jewish prophets or christianity christianity is 2 000 years old the rabbis of the talmud some of them lived before jc was even born right so in the talmud it appears that there was a student named yeshua that was living by rabbi yeshua ben farhiya and he walked with him on the street and he made comments about some ladies that were standing there and he asked him to leave the yeshiva he understands so this is before christianity even started it just started they just started to tell stories seven years after he died right they started to tell all kinds of fairy tales about his life homeless people yeah you're saying that how did he collect that jesus who else will teach any jew would accept him did he put them do you know any normal jew that will accept him but did he put them in those in those little pokeballs or how did he did he bring them around that's news to me i didn't know that jesus okay so now do you mind if i read some more questions no we all are you giving us enough we all mind if you read more argentinian things yeah all right big mind all right so so you know so okay don't do it okay i'm not gonna i'm not okay i'm waiting for you i'm waiting for you to respond to what i just said i'll ask you a new question we'll move on right okay go ahead and even know what we're talking about at this point go ahead okay here do you ask for the source no hey hey we just said we're moving on go ahead go ahead on a scale of one through ten how likely do you think it is your opponent will go to hell we'll start with you guys depends what they do with christ at the end of their age let's assume life was to end right now i should have made that clear hey you have to be quiet okay you can't have your goobers yelling talking points at everybody the whole time seeing that the thief on the cross who could have been a jew had a deathbed conversion last second and jesus said today you'll be with me in paradise anybody could turn at any point it all depends on your heart but no let's say he died like everybody was to die this instant like there's not a last day possible if our buddies down here decided that they did not want to spend eternity with jesus christ then he's not going to force them into heaven with him he's not going to play the jealous boyfriend type so then a 10 out of 10 level friend type will end up in hell yeah 10 out of 10 well if they reject christ christ will just say sure well it doesn't look like he's accepting him right now so that would be 10. if they don't accept him right now then they want to spend eternity separate from him which would be hell okay what do you think what do you think the odds are all right so judy judy's no no it's a one through ten question okay judaism does not tell the gentiles you must be a jew to go to heaven you can be a righteous gentile and go to heaven that's not conditional if you be jewish you're going to heaven but but christians and muslims they say to the other people if you want to go to heaven you must accept a religion you must accept jc and the muslims say you must accept the quran and muhammad why because all missionary religions that based on lies this is how they force the people you they would fear you're not going to accept us you don't go to heaven judaism is not a missionary religion you can go to heaven if you keep the seven laws of noah that god commanded all gentiles i don't imagine you think you don't have to be a jew i'm not here today to make any christian become jewish the other way stay a gentile just be a righteous gentile do not be an idol worshiper be a decent person don't be a racist and you go to heaven there's heaven for gentiles so if i'm talking about that if they'll continue to be idol worshipers they can dream about going to heaven but no the question was how likely they are to go to hell i just explained based on what they claim here tonight they have zero chance to go to heaven where will they go they'll find out when they get to heaven they'll go to heaven they'll go to hell they'll go to hell they'll go to hell that's not bad for them you guys said the same thing but he put it in a much more vicious way which i respect let's make it clear i don't wish anything bad to them i want to make it okay okay don't try to twist the things here i didn't say that i say these are you've been twisting things right and left now so don't talk to him about no i'm not all right you're going to go for the first thing in the morning i'm going to ask you not one answer you've twisted i asked you about the january i started answering and you interrupt me about mary mary is not genealogy because genealogy go by who wrote lou i asked you who wrote luke i asked you who wrote luke i asked was he a jew luke he was a gentile he wasn't a jew so he didn't hold to your jewish understanding of genealogies but if it's the book of god how can people that write it make so many mistakes in it in a divine book you cannot have one mistake if you have one mistake it means it's not from god you know when you say that jacob went to egypt with 75 people that's a human error let me ask you a question abraham isaac and jacob you believe in them right abraham isaac can you ask a question and we'll answer it all right good so i i well that was the question do you know where isaac and jacob where are Where Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are buried, do you know? No, I don't know. Okay, so everybody knows that you go to the city of Hebron and you have the cave of the Machpelah. Even the Arabs made a mosque next to it and they all come to pray there in the grave of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. But somehow in Christianity, they made another very ridiculous human error. And it's written there that it's in the city of Shechem. This is a question, remember? It's a nobless question. What the hell are you talking about? No, it's not a question. Explain to me how a book from God. You make points. Exactly. Thank you. Thank you for your honesty, finally. How a book from God does not know where Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob is buried. What kind of a God it is that in part one of his Torah, he described where they're buried in Hebron. Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are dead. And in part two, he forgot where they're buried. Jesus Christ is alive. God forgot. That's the difference. Very interesting. What does it have to do with what I say? Do you want to follow a dead person, or do you want to follow a risen Lord? Every time you look at Christ, you see evidence of reliability. Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob were dirty, rotten sinners the same way I am a dirty, rotten sinner. Jesus Christ never sinned, he lived a sinless life, taught amazing ethical teachings, you read the Sermon on the Mount, that's ethical genius. But what does it have to do with my question? I ask you where they're buried, and in Christianity, they say they're buried in a different place. Why don't you listen? Why are you giving me this speech about sinners or not? How is it relevant? Because I'm going to speak the same way you speak. But how is it relevant? Put it out there. I'm sorry. Put it out there. I'm tired of just listening to you speak. Once you address the fact of the burial. Address the question. No, you asked 25 different questions. It's impossible to talk with you because you jump all over the place. If I come and I say I'm a messenger of God, and I give a book, and I say God gave me this book, and it's written over there that the Twin Towers collapsed in Miami, I'm claiming that I'm the son of God or I'm the Messiah, I come to my students, I give them books. Just read the New Testament. There are no contradictions. They open the book, and it's written that the Twin Towers collapsed in Miami. No, sir. No, sir. False. Anybody normal would follow my book. The Bible never says the Twin Towers collapsed in Miami. Okay. No, sir. Okay. The New Testament never makes a historical point. Are you creating the pencil? Why are you going to get sick? In Christianity. He's eating the pencil. In Christianity. You're going to get lead poisoning. Take a look at your friend. In Christianity. Be careful with your sword. You do a great job attacking Constantine. In Christianity. We don't worship Constantine. Okay, wait. In Christianity. He was a Roman emperor who converted to put his faith in Christ. You don't follow Constantine. You follow Jesus Christ. In Christianity, it's written that the cave of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob is in Nablus. Who gives a lift? And every fool knows. Where's the table? Where's the table? It's in Hebron. Tell me what happened to God. Let's calm down. Let's calm down. What happened to God? He doesn't know where the greatest people are buried. He's talking. You know what I'm saying? Where in the Gospels does it say that they're buried somewhere other than Hebron? Act 7. Act 7? It's not a Gospel. That's a book of Acts. It's a part of Christianity. You believe in it. It's in the New Testament. But the Acts. Are you saying the Acts are not. The New Testament. The New Testament. But the Acts. The New Testament. The New Testament. The New Testament. The New Testament. The Acts. Are you saying the Acts are not reliable? There are all types of horrible things that are part of Christianity. The Acts are not reliable? Sure. They're reliable or not? There are a lot of horrible things that Jews have done. There are a lot of horrible things that Christians have done. Not relevant. There are a lot of horrible things that Atheists have done. Not relevant to my question. That jewelers have done. That ministers have done. That priests have done. That rabbis have done. It's not relevant. It's not the issue. We're not talking about it. Act 7 is after Jesus, though. The issue is, is Jesus Christ a reliable source of information about God? The evidence of the way Jesus lived, taught, died, and rose from the dead. Is you can trust Jesus to be an accurate source of information about God. How do you know? It's credible. How do you know? Prove it. Because he's reliable. Just look at his life, teachings, death, and resurrection. How do you know? How do you know? I've gone over and over it. Life. Teachings. Death. Resurrection. Life. Teachings. Death. Resurrection. Life. Teachings. Death. And resurrection. Do you get it? Every guy in Yeshiva has that. So every one of them is a son of God? Yeah, none of them have risen from the dead. How do you know? How do you know? How do you know? How do you know the Moses book? You read it in a book. Yeah, books can be reliable. And books can be unreliable. Your religion claimed that Moses existed and he got the Torah from God. Oh, no, no, no, no. According to your religion. Go back to worshiping Zeus and Thor. There you go. You don't need any Jewish theology. You guys can't keep up. Is he on Instagram Live? He asked me how do I know Moses exists. If Christians admit that Moses existed and they admire him and now they come and say how do you know Moses exists, I think this debate is over. Good. It's over then. These people completely lost it. So we'll talk to somebody else. It's over. Completely lost it. Okay, relax. Relax. No, he just said that he doesn't believe Moses exists. Aren't you happy that the Goyim boys are following you? The Goyim boys are following Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. They don't. They don't follow. What do you mean they don't follow? They contradict the whole Torah. They wouldn't even know who Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are. They don't follow one commandment of the Torah. They don't keep the Sabbath. They eat not kosher. You know, the Torah says. You woke him up. I'm sorry. My language. So, listen. Did you say that to the rabbi? They worship an idol. Listen. No, we worship Jesus Christ. They desecrate the Sabbath. We worship God. They desecrate. We worship literally the historical Bible. We worship the historical character who has the most profanity out of any other and anybody, any historian would admit that. It's not all perfect. Jesus, number one. Buddha would be number two. I understand. They eat a ham and cheese sandwich. I understand that. No, but J.C. The spirit of God. How about the spirit of God, Rabbi? All right. J.C. observed the Sabbath, but they don't. But he said to all his followers, no one should move even an inch from the truth of the Torah. He gave them the God of Abraham. I don't understand. It's better than nothing. Tell me. Tell me. A Muslim should do what Muhammad commanded him if he wants to be a faithful Muslim? The Muslims believe in the Koran, not in Muhammad. Yes, yes. They believe in Muhammad. They believe in the Koran. They gave them the Koran. So they claim Muhammad is their prophet. If a Muslim will eat pork, even though according to the Koran you're not allowed to eat pork, can he be called a faithful Muslim? Yes or no? We cannot have everything perfect. No, no. But can he be a faithful Muslim? He doesn't want to insult anybody directly because he'll lose a ton of clients. All right. No. He will not talk badly about Muslims and Christians and Jews. A Muslim woman comes dressed completely not modest, and she claims she's a faithful Muslim. No one will take her seriously. These guys claiming they are followers of JC, and they do the exact opposite of what he told them to do. They don't do one thing of what he used to do. The laws of Moses are fulfilled in Christian theology, then they go on to the next. But JC said this Torah will never ever change. It's written in the Old Testament. No one is allowed to change one letter from the Torah. The Torah is eternal. God said to the Jewish people, "My covenant with you is eternal. Although I punished you and scattered you among the nations, I will never get sick and tired and disgusted by you to abandon you. I will never replace you with any other nation. You are the chosen people. You are holy because I'm holy, and I don't give you permission to be like Christ. All right. We've got to move on. What's happening right now? He's not even talking to you guys. We can't have a conversation between you and your guy here. He's sitting at his feet right now. He's also human being. He's sitting at his feet. I know, but he's on your team. You can't be arguing with your own guy. But he's asking a valid question. Dude, there's another time for that. I don't want to have them going back and forth, back and forth, doing nothing, man. He's just. Yeah, there's no back and forth. That's the problem. They have a messianic figure. That's also a good point. What is the messianic figure? We're doing something. No, let's move on. Let's move on. What are you guys talking about? Okay, don't worry about it. Go to your next question. Let's see it. Go to the next question. Let's go. Hey, guys. Have to let you know that today's episode is sponsored by Kalshi. Kalshi is the best prediction market in the US. For example, if you're interested in who's going to win the midterms, Kalshi has odds on that. My buddy Mike has a pretty interesting strategy where he's going to put $5,000 on the Republicans and $5,000 on the Democrats. So no matter what happens, he ends up a winner. 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No. No. I don't think so. No? Don't kiss up. He says not to kiss up to the wicked. They get a point. Don't be a hypocrite. They get a point. They get a point. You lose a point, it's actually a two-point swing. Don't kiss up to him, just because he's trying to act nice today, more than usual. Me? He's still a sinner. He goes against God. Every second of his life, he lives in sin, and he's going to be punished severely for that sin. Interesting how often you talk about hell in light of the fact that the Old Testament does not talk about hell. Sure it does. No, it doesn't. The Torah was given written in the Torah to get it. So you're talking hell. You heard about your punishment and you're already losing it. Old Testament talks about Sheol. I can't get to the next question. My hands have turned into scissors. Sheol is one of the seven places in hell. I thought this would be funny. This isn't funny anymore. Ge'enom has seven different sections. Sheol is one of the seven. Well, I don't know what you guys believe it says, but when I had him on last time, he does believe in hell. He told me I have an unbelievable punishment waiting for me. It's still the same case now. What do you think is the best option for me, though? To repent, to stop observing the Sabbath, to stop being a clown, get more serious with your life. You can still make money, don't worry. The money comes from God, not from your heart. I'll do anything for money. We've agreed on a few points there. Here you go. God gave us the ability to make money by working honestly. Work is a gift from God. When we work, we're joining God in the creative process. Absolutely. Not like a goyim farm animal. Unfortunately, I guess for some people, not me in this case, because I'm the one with it. We also have the ability to make big-time money from stealing and stuff, which is not the route that I've necessarily gone down as much as this guy. However. Why? You're calling him a thief? Yeah. Why? He's a jeweler. He likes to say the opposite of what is true. Does anyone force you to buy his jewelry? He offers you what he has. That's a bad representation of what a thief is. He's not a thief. That's fantastic. If someone wants to pay for his merchandise, any amount he has the right is an artist. I didn't mean he necessarily stole things. That's more of a metaphor, but you get what I mean. Ah, okay, I got it. All right. I just wanted to clarify. Look, this isn't an argument against Judaism. Are you Orthodox, by the way? Orthodox. Messianic? Not Messianic. I'm just kidding. You cannot fight Judaism because that's the foundation of your religion. Yes, exactly. You're shooting yourself in the leg. I think the. No, that was a joke. That was a total joke. I think the fundamental difference is in the two, and this is not a point for Christianity, is Judaism is working towards God. It's striving. You've got to do. You've got to do X, Y, and Z in order to get to God. So fulfill the Sabbath, 613 commandments. The Christian faith is God has worked towards us. And so Jesus has worked towards us saying, you can't do it on your own. So I think the emotional fulfillment is what I find beautiful in the Christian faith. Again, not a point towards Christianity, but I think the emotional fulfillment of like, we have shame, we have guilt, we have pain, we have always this meritocracy that we're living into where we have to do better, better, better. But Jesus said, no, you can find absolute rest in what I've done, for you. So I think every other religion, whether it's Judaism. He's not even listening to you, by the way. I know he's not. That's why I'm just giving it to the people right now. I'm listening actually to every word he's saying. I just. So from a macro perspective, it's an interesting dichotomy between a more of relational nature of the Christian faith based off of grace versus every other religion. So you keep saying religion, religion, religion. I just want to get. He's figuring out how to open a portal right now. I want us to get this right. Christianity is one of the major world religions, but it's primarily completely about a relationship. It's about a relationship with Christ because he's worked towards us through his cross. Good. Can I respond to that? So completely radically different. Yeah. Okay, good. I heard what you say, but it's contradicting what JC said. So you have to decide. Are you a faithful student of him or you go the opposite of what he said? I want to show it to the camera. Wait, wait, wait. Can I show it? So let me read to you what JC said. Even your friend down here said fulfillment. You've got to learn from your friend. He's got to stop learning from you. You've got to learn from him. Matthew 23. Matthew 23. I did not come to change the Torah. Heaven and earth will be destroyed and one thing from the Torah will be destroyed. It will never change. The rabbis that follow the Torah and sit on the chair of Moses, everything they'll tell you, you must observe. Now comes Judaism and the Talmud, which is the words of the biggest rabbis in history. And it's in the Old Testament written hundreds of times. No one is allowed to change one of the things the Torah says. Now you come and make up a new thing that contradicts completely the Torah and JC. So something here has to be clarified. If you follow him as your leader, as your role model, as your God, as your Messiah, you have to stick carefully and faithfully to everything he wrote in the New Testament or was written in his name. You cannot come and redesign Judaism completely 180 degrees different after your own God, JC, said not to do such thing. Why can you be an atheist and be a Jew? You assume. He's not a Jew who's an atheist contradicting Torah. Of course not. Well, then why is a Jew. You are trying to point out contradictions within Christianity. We agree there are all types of contradictions within Christianity. Okay. But there are all types of contradictions in Judaism also. My devout Jewish friends who are Orthodox are not atheists. They believe in God seriously. I have many Jewish friends who are atheists. So they have both, all right? Now, when you read the Gospels. Even the Reform. And when you start to follow Jesus Christ, then he calls you to accept his grace, his forgiveness, his love, to rest in him, to receive from him the gift of eternal life. And then because you're so grateful to him for life, you then want to live a life of honoring him and obeying him. And that's what a follower of Christ is. And remember, the first century followers of Christ mainly were Jews. So we're talking about Jewish people who saw Jesus is the truth. They put their faith in him. The majority of the New Testament was written by Jewish people. So we're not talking about anti-Jew. We're talking about this amazing claim that this first century Jew, Yeshua, Jesus of Nazareth, was more than a man. He was actually God revealing himself in a way that you and I with our finite minds can begin to understand. That's exciting. That's fulfilling. You gave a beautiful speech, but none of it is relevant to what I said. Completely. I speak about day, and you speak about night. You're just shooting off all over the place. Trox, what do you think? I ask you, why don't you follow the instructions of Jesus? I'm trying to get a good answer. And you're giving me a whole speech how great Jesus was. I'm asking you, if you are a faithful follower of Jesus, you have to observe all the commandments of the Torah. And I disagree with your interpretation And you cannot change the ideology of Judaism because he died as a Jew. You're calling for self-mutilation. You're calling for self-mortification. I don't know. I want to just get a word in. I mean, listen. These guys are having a theological conversation. He's trying to give them. What are you, like a summary? I didn't ask you to summarize. Well, that's the word that I'm giving him. What are you, like an AI? He's trying to pin them down on the laws. He's saying, oh, you know, the laws are this. You don't follow that, so you're obviously wrong. Or this or that. And he's saying. Okay, okay. from a spiritual perspective and they're not listening to one another. Can I ask you. So Matthew 517, though, your friend said, Tracks said, when Christ says, Sermon on the Mount, probably the most famous sermon ever given by any religious. Well, it was a Harvard professor who recently said this. By any religious rabbi, when he says, I did not come to abolish the law, but I came to fulfill it, what did he mean? Because that, to me, sounds like it's contradicting everything that you just stated that supposedly we are contradicting about what Christ said. I'll tell you very simply what it means. What is so. He said, anyone is coming to change one of the commandments of the Torah or one letter from the Torah. He said, fulfill, though. Listen, but he said, anyone who will change one letter from the Torah or one of the commandments, even the smallest one, and will teach people differently than what's written, will be cursed by God. End of story. So what's the fulfill word? Okay, listen, let me help these Christians because I don't even know how to. What's the fulfill word? Fulfill means to explain to the student how to keep the commandments. No, he's got to think himself that he came to fulfill. He said he came. Let me help the Christians. They don't even know their own religion. Okay? Jesus says, in the Torah it says, thou shall not commit adultery, correct? Right. Then he says, what I say is, anyone who even desires has already committed adultery in their heart. So he's doing it a level above the law. They can't understand. They can't even explain that themselves. Yeah, it's Matthew 19. Yeah, it's right out of Matthew. He came to tighten the noose, obviously. Early on in the Old Testament, you could offer a certificate of divorce. You're not allowed to want to commit adultery. Divorce any old time. Oh, my God. But now he's saying, you cannot divorce unless there's three ways, three things that happen. One is adultery, an affair. The second is somebody just takes off. And the third is abuse. So you're exactly right. Jesus tightens the noose completely to change matters. It's Judaism 2.0. That's all of it. Everything he said, it's written over. is written before he was born. It's an update. Upgraded and updated. I want to remind you that everything that Jesus said came from the Torah. No, Jesus said a lot of things that did not come from the Torah. I just read to you Matthew 5 verse 17 to 19 that everything he's teaching is from the Torah and no one is allowed to change one letter of the Torah. And you completely ignore it. That's right. Totally false. I'm not ignoring it. I'm telling you you're wrong. You're wrong in your interpretation. In the book of Matthew 15 verse 22 to 26 there is a story. In your book, there's a non-Jewish woman, a Gentile. She's coming to JC and she asked him to cure her daughter that she has a demon that penetrated her body. And he answered to her I only came from the nation of Israel not for the Gentiles, she continued to to beg and he and he say to her i cannot replace the jews between i cannot ask you a question i cannot replace the jews with dogs i cannot replace the jews there's not that many words on there what are you reading i cannot there's like 40 words i cannot replace the jews with dogs and she answered him she answered him even the dogs even the master of there's like 20 words even the master of the dogs give them the crown picking it up as he goes i write it brief to myself but i know the whole story i'm not gonna read the whole page now i make myself notes so now i repeat because you interrupted me so the woman a woman a non-jew a non-jewish woman come to jc she tells him please cure my daughter she has a demon in her he say to her i did not come for the gentiles i came only for the jews she say to him okay we also people help me out he say i cannot repeat replace the jews with dogs she say to him even the owner of the dog give him some crumbs and in the end he went and helped her out this is so this is in your book he's calling both of you dogs very tough your hero is calling you dogs you tell me please how can god call human being dogs please tell me i do that all the time you guys can handle that question let's see oh sure yeah good one all right so it gets to the very heart of judaism you're exactly right where jesus came for the jews and you rewind it all the way back into the old testament obviously the promise to abraham is ultimately the israelites to get to the promised land and now what are they doing they can't intermarry obviously right and these wars that go on god is saying there's immorality going on with other nations as well so they're fighting through not intermarrying with other nations so it's still the chosen people and they're not going to marry them they're not going to marry people and they are judging other people groups as well but don't forget god judges the jews too because they're just as bad fast forward to the new testament this passage what you have here is jesus saying there are still chosen people but the crumbs go to the dogs and what he's having her do in that specific context is she starts to think wow so even we get the crumbs but then how does he further tease that out obviously he teases it out by saying that all are created in his image and all are chosen people that's right the israelites are a chosen people but a light to all nations over and over again in the old testament and you have it further are we talking about these type of israelites or the black ones yeah this came up with them yeah good memory but which one are you talking about i'm talking about these ones oh yeah yeah the black ones are funnier though and they have a lot more swag would you agree with that so that's the whole point the jews are the chosen have more they have more swag he tried his best they're funny but it's ultimately to all nations that's why paul goes on in galatians 28 and says that there's neither jew nor greek okay do you see what's going on here ultimately it is the jews that are chosen but they're a light to all nations and jesus is just giving a simple parable here showing yes you answered correctly even the dogs get the crumbs in the sense of they are considered dogs at the time but they are the gentiles and they're saved as well and paul fleshes that out i'd rather be in the sides of the holy chosen children of god than the sides of the dogs and that sounds very arrogant it's up to you i wish i was chosen that was almost racist yeah that was racist everything oh man how does god have children jews are not superior to gentiles gentiles are not superior to jews we're all human beings created in the image of god i i don't understand when the bible says every church in every church in the world how jews cannot be superior you know what i just realized today both of you can predict christianity completely you did the job for me i didn't even need to debate you because in every church and in every christian book they call the jews the chosen people the children of god and you come and say there's no difference between i don't know sir so you can predict the old testament you don't believe in the torah oh i sure do so make up your mind do you make up your mind do you believe that god created me do you believe that the jews are superior to the gentiles it doesn't matter what i believe yes it does matter what you believe that's the whole that's exactly how my personal do you believe that i'm reading i'm reading to you what's written in the torah in the torah you are my children i chose you from all the nations what does that mean to be mine they keep getting judged i mean do not judge do not imitate the gentiles into captivity by first the assyrians yeah you guys got judged i don't understand you don't let me finish the sentence don't let me finish a sentence i've spoken more than anybody here i'm answering you i'm answering your car no you're not you're not answering us sure i am you're raising others i'm giving you the call no you're not jews are sinners just like everybody else god say to the jews you ask me you skirt the issues and then go off your engines like it's going out of style you ask me this and then you just keep on talking actually about black israelites being having swag do you ask me the souls he asked you about about the chosen people do they have swag that's why i asked you that you know the black israeli it's like me claiming i'm elon musk yeah you were pretty you want to take me serious be a code the lines are not superior i am the last person if you listen to my lecture you know that are jews superior to complete opposite of races complete or anti-gentile is a sin also i'm not anti-gentile i never you never palestine you never heard yeah anti-semitism is a sin but when did you hear me that i say that i'm anti-gentile i don't even know what's being well i don't understand what is this speech for did you hear me that i'm anti-gentile you didn't say anti-gentile but you believe that i told you what's written in your book why are you getting upset what do you think interpretation who's superior oh yeah the black people jc called the woman that's my fault now you're blaming me for jc calling you a dog you're blaming me the blacks are the real jews the blacks are the real jews am i elon musk the blacks are the jews you're not elon musk but the blacks are the jews you can say for sure the same answer to this is no the black the blacks are the real jews absolutely absolutely absolutely absolutely absolutely i have evidence of it absolutely i have everything so it's written i have everything that the blacks are the real it's in the written it's what captain tazari actually written in the torah that the christian teach for two thousand years in every one of their churches but they refuse to admit for some reason that the jewish people are the children of god they are the chosen people god shows them and made an eternal covenant with them he gave them the holy land he gave them the torah and even our leader is a jew so now you're asking me are the jews superior depend if there are righteous jews they are superior if they are wicked jews they are inferior and who defines who's righteous and who's yeah that's god the torah the torah oh okay fine so the torrent says you're right so a righteous gentile a righteous gentile is better than a wicked jew wake up smell the coffee the torah doesn't say yeah i just gave you the call obama's a bad i just gave you the call say that oh yeah so we're making some so so so so that so the books of god is not relevant nobody can very relevant nobody can decide who's right okay all right all right all right you interpret the word of god let's go to the next point i don't even know they don't believe not only they don't believe in the torah they don't they don't believe in the new testament which i say today they deny everything i say they denied and they want to teach about christianity unbelievable teachers they don't believe one word of what's written i'm surprised you didn't sacrifice you how much longer do you guys want to go for as little as possible okay what about you you want to go for longer we should make a final point final point closing statements let's go okay okay well i want to do one more question before closing statements i want to get everybody can i start with the closing statement no you cannot yet be quiet because this isn't the closing statements yet okay i don't know if you guys will disagree on this i'm honestly not too sure i'd like to get an opinion around the table from each different person their thoughts currently on the war in israel and gaza we'll start with we'll start with tracks actually right you wanted the statement on it first yeah so i mean you know israel is a very very small country that's been harassed and attacked for a very long time and uh now they got a prime minister that is not playing around and he's willing to go to war with iran so you support turkey and uh whoever else and he's brutal and he doesn't care who dies that's horrible well you know that's what they get after being uh uh what does turkey have to do with this i don't know you gotta start killing that's what you get and you don't get upset so it's a horrible situation for those people that are being destroyed but that's what's going to happen after uh 60 or 80 years or something like that but that's what's going to happen after uh 60 or 80 years or 70 years of constant war you know what i'm saying that's it so pro-israel obviously pro-israel to a point i've never even heard before he wants to start killing people in turkey that's the most absurd thing i've ever heard are you now you're turkey turkey where did you get that from he just said uh then y'all was gonna start killing people he's even ready to go to war with turkey and he supports that i don't even this guy's lost his mind i lost my mind nobody goes to war that fast you know when you go to war that means he had no other choice so october 7th come on answer the question he answered it now you know thoughts on the war october 7 was forced on the people of Israel. They didn't start this war. They came and they massacred almost 1,500 people and put them in dungeons. All right, fine. And as a result of that, that's what happened. If they wouldn't do that, none of that would have happened. So pro-Israel? What is the claim? You know, soon it's going to happen by the way here. It's happening now in Europe. What's going to happen? You see what happened in France and in Belgium and soon in Europe. Israel is going to start killing people here? No, no, no. The Muslim, radical Muslim, will take over all over Europe, will slaughter all the Christians one by one. It's going to be a civil war in every country. All right? I say that 10 years ago. Between everyone and Muslims? What's happening now in France? I already said 10 years ago. You can go to my website on 10 years. Absolutely. And soon it's going to happen here in New York, New York City. Little by little, through politics, they're occupying more and more cities and at the same time, from the other hand, with violence, intimidating the people. Jews and Christians are in huge danger to their safety. Understand? So before you worry about the children of Gaza and the ******, you should worry about yourself and your own people of your own country because it's a matter of a few years until we're going to have to face the same thing the Israelis are facing with these ******. Okay. So two unbelievably extreme perspectives. You guys. We'll start with you. I'm right down the middle. I think this gets into the whole chosenness. There's always wars when one group thinks that they are chosen and they're the better superior group. And so obviously there's going to be violence and mistakes on both sides. The problem has to be mediated by the Christian faith which says all are created in God. Well, I would say actually in the war over there, it's not even that the Arabs think they're better and the Jews think they're better. The Jews think they're better and the Arabs want to get them. But the point I'm making is that I don't think it's about who thinks they're better over there. I don't know if that's why. Going on. Yeah. No, there's some truth to that. I just think you would see evil on both sides. And like Solzhenitsyn talked about, I mean, Christ diagnosed it better than anybody. It's a heart issue. It's not about who can do better things or worse things. It's the heart issue. The line of good and evil goes through every single human heart. So you don't want to pick a side. The question is I really don't. Okay. According to the Quran, Israel belonged to the Jews. Oh, wow. Wonderful. It's not your turn. Wonderful. Well, he just wanted to hit everybody watching with a quick fact that according to the Quran, Israel belongs to the Jews, which I'm sure all of the Arabs believe that. Every knowledgeable Muslim will tell you that. I can show you thousands of emails I got from Muslims. Well, you're unwilling. I've asked you to debate a Muslim and you won't do it. If you'll come back and debate a Muslim, I'm sure they're. I did. I debated Sneaker, the Muslim. I did. I debated Sneaker. You forgot. But you wouldn't do it here. I wanted to bring him to debate you. You want to steal the rating based on my debate with the Muslim? No, no, no. I'll bring a different Muslim. You already told me once to debate these two gentlemen. I won't let you fool me again. Gentlemen? I'm surprised you're giving them a nice word after. I give them full respect. Like I said, I don't wish you any bad. And we don't wish you any bad. Thank you. Put your faith in Christ and receive him. I also pray for you to repent and stop worshiping your idol. You made that very clear. The seven laws of Noah that you should go to heaven. Idolatrous as well. Whether it's black or white Hebrew. Well, they have a very similar view of black Hebrew Israelites. Yes, a lot of similarities. He wants your opinion on the war. I love Jews. I love Arabs. I am abhorred by the hatred that has existed. I am in shock over Arab people who want to kick the Jews into the Mediterranean. That is embarrassing. That is wrong. But I've got to remember, a Jewish thug is a Jewish thug. An American thug is an American thug. A h*** thug is an h*** thug. We all are broken, sinful human beings and that's why we need a savior. And that's what Jesus Christ comes to do for every Gentile, every Arab, every Jew, every Caucasian, every African American. We all are sinners and we are in desperate need of God's forgiveness and God's grace. And that's what Jesus Christ offers us. That seemed you were trying to do the middle thing but slightly pro-Israel. So unfortunately, an extremely pro-Israel table. I will say that you win the most pro-Israel. I've never heard anybody any Jew or Israeli until you want to go into war with Turkey but that would be pretty interesting. It might not be a bad idea at this point. Okay, alright, well that's it. We have to film with long neck now. Alright, closing statements. Closing statements, yeah. We'll do closing statements and then we'll film with long neck. He's in the lobby. I'll start with the closing statements. Listen, the closer you are to God, the better you are. The farther you are from God, the worse you are. The farther you are from Him, the better you are. If you are closer to God with Jesus, then be closer to God with Jesus, okay? No one's here to change your mind or to tell you this, tell you that. Just be close to God, be a good person and it's all going to work out. Okay. What he said is completely incorrect. Why? Because you can never be close to God. You cannot go to God through an idol, through a middle man. It's a violation of the Ten Commandments. It's subject to. So he's going to hell too then? It's subject. He doesn't believe in J.C. It's subject to a death. Do you believe in J.C.? Let him talk. It's subject to a death penalty and a permanent cut for the soul to anyone who follow anyone but God. So therefore, I'm sure that's not what he meant. He said if it makes you feel good, that you feel that you're closer to God. He just wants to sell jewelry, man. through Christianity, do that. Yeah, but if you're not Jewish and you're out there. You have to be a righteous Gentile. in Northern Europe and you're worshiping stones that are flying through the sky. No, no. and then someone tells you about a Jewish man named Jesus Christ and it helps you come closer to God, I think it's not bad. No, but all Gentiles have to keep the seven laws of Noah. You can Google them. Right. And they have to believe one of the seven laws to believe in only one God. They wouldn't even know who Noah was if it wasn't for the spread of Christianity. No, Judaism already explained that 1,300 years before. To who? To you and me? To the whole world. Okay. To the whole world. Yes. People knew about Noah before Christianity started. To the 10 billion Africans who don't know a single thing about Judaism. I want to remind you Judaism started 3,300 years ago in Mount Sinai. It didn't get very far for a very long time. They came 1,300 years later and started their religion. And a very successful one. And a Muslim came 2,000 years later. Another very successful one. Okay, now I want to conclude. Way more successful. I want to conclude my closing statement. The main difference between Judaism to all the thousands of fake religions and cults that came after is as follows. The Jewish people are the only ones who received the Torah in a public event and they're not going based on a story that someone told them. It's not Mary who came and claimed she had a dream. Right away it starts with 50% doubt. Or Muhammad that came and said. Let's keep the closing statements under three hours. It says. It's not Muhammad that claimed that Angel Gabriel gave him the Quran when he was alone in a desert. It's not Buddha that claimed that he was alone and he saw the light and you want to either believe him or don't. It starts right the way with 50% doubt. Judaism started in a public event in front of millions of witnesses. All of them it's written in a book and they all got the book and they all confirmed that what's written in the book actually happened to them. The book referred to the people that accept the Torah. All of you saw that I took you out of Egypt. I split the sea for you. You heard me speaking to God in front of your eyes. If one of the things that's written in the Torah was not correct nobody would accept Moses. No one would change their lifestyle. Just as we look a quick snappy. No one would keep a kosher food. You can check me out on Instagram. Yo, I'm dropping a new album next week. All right. So good. You gave me a good idea. You're going to release an album? Since I'm limited in time I encourage every one of you to watch my film Torah and Science and you get all the proofs. I thought you were going to say I get all the profit. I was about to get really excited. They wanted to get the proofs. How do you know that the book is for sure from God and how do you know for sure it's not from God? Put Rabbi Mizrahi Torah and Science and if you want to watch my debate with a Christian professor which was three hours with details and that professor unlike them he was knowledgeable and was actually believing in Christianity and he didn't have one answer. And he claimed in the end he said I don't have one answer. Until today I'm waiting for him to give one answer. So you have anyone who's searching for the truth Rabbi Mizrahi Torah and Science and the debate. That's it. That's my closing statement. Point two percent of the world Search Google for Rabbi Mizrahi don't forget that. Point two percent of the world is Jewish. Sounds like a conspiracy theory in some ways to me the number is so small. Obviously it's not. I worship a Jew. I take the Old Testament very seriously. But to say that all of these other religions are just bunk and don't take them seriously and they're all fairy tales when your religion is point two percent or less of the world I think you gotta be a little more honest and do a little bit more digging and take them a little bit more seriously. Historically you took it like theologically today you literally just took the whole thing theologically. I wouldn't do that. I'd do a little bit more historical research on Islam or Christianity or any of them. So that's that's the one that I struggle with. If everybody has to become a Jew while there's less than point two percent of the world Jews got some serious work to do. Well you want You want to take us to the light. Nobody has to be. Trax doesn't. But you clearly do want to at least show us some serious type of light. You've been arguing very seriously today. Seven laws of Noah. Yeah, come on. We've heard you many times. Listen, if you want to go to heaven, you have to open his refrigerator on the Shabbos and turn on the stove and turn it off. So I'm just still confused for my Jewish friends to answer. It's what I started with. Why do I stand over at the Roman Colosseum and 380,000 predominantly Jewish Jews were butchered to death for their claim that Jesus Christ, who is a Jew, rose from the dead as the Son of God? They changed their minds overnight. You have to come up with a theory to debunk that if you are a Jew and don't believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. Otherwise, you have to say, wow, why in the world? 380,000 died. Why are they lying in the one Roman Colosseum? Why would they do that? Was there some kind of crazy lie that spread? Was there some type of crazy drug that was in the water? What was the deal? And so for me, when I'm standing there and I'm seeing the impact of the Christian faith overnight, I just start to say, wow, I have no alternate theory that can say why did so many thousands overnight, based off this resurrection claim, all of a sudden start believing that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. Go ahead. All right. Solomon slaughtered thousands of lambs, goats, bulls. Hezekiah slaughtered thousands of lambs, bulls, and goats. Josiah, another Jewish king, slaughtered thousands of lambs, goats, and bulls. Why? They understood that the wages of sin is death. They understood. They understood that a sacrifice had to be made in order for atonement to occur. Jesus Christ claimed to be the Lamb of God who laid down his life to make atonement for sin, a fulfillment of all the whole sacrificial system throughout the law, the prophets, and the writings. Why would I ever believe that Jesus was the Lamb of God who laid down his life to make atonement for sin? Why? Because the quality of his ethical teachings, the Sermon on the Mount, because of the quality of his life living up to those teachings, I've tried to live up to those teachings, I have failed miserably. Thirdly, the quality of his death, as he's nailed to a wooden cross beam, instead of cursing his enemies, he prays, Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do. But fourthly, and most importantly, the quality of his resurrection from the dead convinces me that, indeed, Jesus is the Lamb of God who laid down his life to make atonement for sin. But fourthly, and most importantly, the quality of his death, as he's nailed to a wooden cross beam, instead of cursing his enemies, he prays, Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do. But fifthly, and most importantly, the quality of his death, as he's nailed to a wooden cross beam, instead of cursing his enemies, he prays, Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do. But sixthly, and most importantly, the quality of his death, as he's nailed to a wooden cross beam, instead of cursing his enemies, he prays, Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do. But seventhly, and most importantly, the quality of his death, as he's nailed to a wooden cross beam, instead of cursing his enemies, he prays, Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do. Hold on a second. We'll give you $30 on Fortnite. Nice. And what does the great rabbi get? The great rabbi gets to also play Among Us with them on VR. That's amazing. What's that? It's a video game, so you can play it with them if you want to have a further discussion. You can keep it for yourself. Really? I have no time for video games. I stole it from Target. The code doesn't even work. My friend over there. All right. You're a gamer. He'll get it. He'll get it. Toss it to him. Come. Toss it like a Frisbee. You guys wanted to talk a lot out there. Maybe you guys should have some closing statements as well. Do you want to have a closing statement? Are we done here? Well, come. Say it to the mic at least. Here. All right. I did it. All right. We can't hear you. You have to come to the mic. I'll tell you what he said. He said that if you listen to my lecture in the last 32 years. He wants you to listen to the Christian lecture where he defeated him over the course of three hours. You see how much I've done for Gentiles and how much I helped them. And how much I helped them with all the problems day and night. We're going to help all the Gentiles. To come and hint. You don't get two closing statements. To come and hint. Everybody gets one closing statement. To come and hint and claim that I'm a racist. That's completely off. I just caught what JC say about the Gentiles. Not me. That's not my opinion. Okay. Okay. I'm not the founder of Christianity. I'm just speaking in the name of their God. That's all. Thank you so much. Wonderful. That's it. All right. Wonderful. We did it.