Civilian Killed, 2 Cops SHOT IN Minneapolis, MOTIVE UNKNOWN w/ Kato Kaelin

At least one civilian has been killed, two cops have been injured. They've been shot. Six people have been shot. In Minneapolis, we don't yet know the motive, but we are getting details of story is breaking right now. We also had a shooting in Virginia during the reporting of this shooting in Minneapolis, some smiley guy walks up and throws up gang signs behind the camera, which has got some people tweeting to think it might have been gang related. But I don't, that could just be a guy, you know, going up to the camera. So we don't know for sure. We will be covering this. And of course, we will talk about what's going on with the war right now. We mentioned this last night. We never got into it, but is Vladimir Putin stating that they will be supplying the Iranians with weapons and supporting them while rallying other countries to stand up to the United States. The reason I bring this up now, even though it's kind of yesterday's news, is that the Washington Post published a story through their, their ripple, whatever that's called. I don't know, it's Washington Post calm, suggesting we bring back the military draft, saying we need it right at the time when there are questions about the US's ability to win this war in Iran. And of course, the Lindsey Clancy trial, the jury is deadlocked again. This is it. If it happens one more time, it is a mistrial. We don't know what's going to happen. But we do have new information on a woman named Don light. See, that's actually her name, if you believe it or not, being charged the felony because she was trying to secretly take photos and videos, I believe, of the jurors outside the court. This is how absolutely insane it is getting. We're going to talk about this and so much more joining us tonight. Do talk about this and so much more. It's Kato Kaelin. I can't believe I'm here. This is great. I know the intro. I have a question for you quick. Do you think Somalians are giving Somalye's a bad name? Yes. I always thought that. I don't want people. I don't want that. I want to Somalye pouring me the wine. Can you hear me better with these on or these, Tim? Same thing, right? Yeah. Okay. I'll put these on. Much smarter. Which everyone. I think everybody knows who you are. You know, do you need to introduce yourself? Oh, I'm Kato Kaelin. I guess. Yes. I am Kato and honestly, such. I've got to say, I was on fire in the green room. I have like 16 year olds watching to have no idea, but you were at OJ Simpson's house when literally when the murder took place, is that what or when the killer happened? There's a I'm in the guest house and back then it was in cell phones and phone records are the most important thing. The timeline. I'm probably the most important person because of a timeline of proving probably that OJ was at Nicole's great, uh, Bundy house. Now, that is a, we don't, that's we don't know every, well, so many theories are out there. It's even a new show coming out with a whole theory. Wow. Someone else coming out. Finally, this puts you on the map. What you do things, you're a, you're an actor, a personality. Tim, I am an actor. Thank you. I can do, I can do. I was thinking about that with Ian. I too can do a finger in a cow, mouth, mouth. You know what? Wisconsin's normal. Yes, I had, I, I've been around a, forever, I've had my screen actors guild after card for over 45 years. Wow. Wow. I've been around a long time. So I'm not even 45 years old. It's amazing. And it's exactly, but that's the reason it because there's so many different documentaries. So many things have been OJ that it's educated so many people. The, uh, Ryan Murphy show brought me back kind of like people, Billy Megs, and played me who also was, uh, in no time to die of the Bond film. So they keep, and it was like eight Emmys. So all of these things educate the younger people to know the OJ, one, the, uh, Oscar for best documentary. So I've, I read for Dumb and Dumber. That was the whole thing. I, the week before these murders happened, Aaron Myerson, friend of mine was the producer. He gave me the script for Dumb and Dumber. I read for this movie back in 1994, brought back in by Rick Montgomery, the director. He does all the, uh, casting, uh, for the fairly brothers. And, uh, my life stopped from that moment. That week, one week, and then the week, uh, the murders happened, and then I was in a preliminary trial in my life. Wow. You know, this is actually really good timing. Um, the Lindsey Clancy trial has been called by some, the OJ Simpson for women with the way it's divided. OJ. The what? OJ Simpson. OJ Simpson. OJ. Not all, not all women. Not all women too. No, but people are, there's a lot of commentary talking about how this case is, it's obviously not identical, but it is a, it is culturally significant in a way that it's divided people based on identity. But let's, let's, we'll get into it. So, Kato, it's, it's great to have you. Yeah. So good to be here. Thanks so much in meeting everybody here and, God, it's just so much, like, I live in LA, but my God, it's kind of, I think it's cooler here. Oh, yeah. I think it's cooler here. It's just hanging out. Libby Emmons is here. I love her. My goodness. I was just, it's so funny when she walked in the room. I just got on the Instagram and said, Oh, Libby fall as I was like, and she walked in, I was like, this is, I'm like, that just happened, am I right? That was like so very cool. That was the sequence of events. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's great to be here with all of you guys tonight. Really stoked to get into it. You got the boys hanging out. Kato, you look like 50, are you 60 something? I am. Nice. Yes, yes. Really? Yes. When I got married, my strippers from AARP. So, it's bad when the strippers got a 38-long draw size. That's a great one. Yeah. Man, it's a pleasure to have you, dude. Makes Carter. Very fun. Phil, what's up? I was thinking, I was thinking you were closer to my age. I'm in my 50s and you're a little bit older than I thought you were, and you look great, though. Oh, thanks a lot. Yeah. Yeah. The thing is, honestly, I've backed this up and I have nothing against drugs with people doing. I've never done a drug in my life and I rarely can say that I've been drunk. And I have a beer every now and then. I just never, and I'm from Wisconsin, you know, beer, capital, drink a lot of water, right? I just think now that I'm older, I was like, God, I'm kind of glad I didn't drink a lot. And so, I made a difference. Yeah. And I used to do one marathon, so I did the whole thing with health. Like Ian, I had the hair, by the way, thinks of the rental. I had hair like this. And people assume automatically when you have hair like that, I'm sure he goes, Hey, he's got drugs. Oh, yeah. And maybe you do. I don't know. Yeah. All the people in the room, I'd assume you, too. We're going to go to the news before we do with a great sponsor for you guys. It's AmericanFinancing.net. Go to AmericanFinancing.net/Tim. Everyday expenses keep climbing and high credit card interest isn't making life any easier. If your budget is feeling squeezed lately, there's a smarter way to take back control. If you're a homeowner, your home equity is your best financial tool. AmericanFinancing can help you consolidate high interest credit card debt, so you have some breathing room. Timing matters now more than ever. With a strong chance of an interest rate hike this September, much, it's now waiting could cost you thousands with rates in the five. 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But it's a straight up one-on-one interview, so we have a bunch of great ones. Our last episode with Matt Miller infiltrating the DSA has got 100,000 and it's doing pretty well. Our media bias debate slash discussion got 800,000, so it's really doing very, very well. Shout out to everybody who watched and subscribed to the new channel. We're nearing 100,000 subscribers on a new show, so we really do appreciate it. Matt Miller's great. He's fantastic. Well, let's jump into the news. We got this one from the Daily Mail, at least one civilian killed and six people injured. They say, "Many opposed police race to the scene of the shooting near 15 East Grant Street on Wednesday afternoon, where one officer was shot in the stomach and another was shot in the leg. Seven patients." So currently, this story is, it's currently breaking right now. We don't know the full details of what the motivation was. FBI Director Cash Patel, shared on social media that agents are responding to the scene, as he vowed to offer any and all resources necessary to assist local authorities. With FBI involvement, this is where things start getting interesting, so we don't know exactly again. But we have this video from the blaze, Somalian flashes gang signs in the background of a live TV, TV report on the Minneapolis mass shooting. Again, we don't know exactly what's going on, so we will be tracking the news right now. But obviously, there seems to be a perception that there's something bigger and political here. I'm going to stress again. I know that, but considering the story popped off to where we all discussed for the show, this seems to be, I mean, the FBI is showing up. We got this video. Could this be something politically motivated or at least a shooting that enters the realm of politics, such as if this was Somali gangs or if it was refugee-related, people are going to utilize this particularly just before the midterm election, which is two months out. Who is the shooter? We don't know. It was just a random, and they're still looking for them. I don't think we have any information on who the shooter is. It's just rumors. At this point. And we don't know if the shooter is alive or dead or. or what happened, but yeah, it's interesting to see the news coverage of a shooting before anyone knows how they can fit it into their narrative. Yeah, nice and plain. It's pretty plain. Yeah. Low sodium. And so the shooter, we don't know if the shot two cops, they had to shoot back, so we don't know. Sure. And that's what they're, I think you're right. They're waiting for the narrative. Yeah. And that's what people, yeah. That's what people want to know. Who hides that? The leftist perspective, you know, I mean, you probably have left us out there right now being like, God, I hope it's a white Christian guy who broke, you know, you have other people being like, I hope it's a trans killer, but you've got other people being like illegal alien. It's got to be illegal. You think that phone call comes in from like a wall saying, don't report on this, that he has so much power. He can't. I don't think he has that much power. So you're saying that the left media, the legacy media is probably saying, I'm saying we don't have the information yet, but they would, they could do that possibly. But I think there's enough people on the ground that would tell the truth. A group of thugs seem jumping out of a car before opening fire on people. Looks like we might have, is this, you have it now? No, no, no, no, I'm sorry. This is a different video. Wow. It's different. Right. I look up the shooting and I saw somebody post being like, here's the video. And this one's from Missouri. I'm so glad we have so many shootings on my day here. Right. Yeah. I mean, we're in America. Right. So how many shootings are there? A couple. Yeah, though. It's amazing. I do this thing murder in a minute show. I have so much content. I have so much and it's sickening that I have so much content because something happens probably every hour and stuff that will just blow your mind. Are you kidding me? This person was arrested 39 times and released. Everything seems to be released by, I hate to say, but woke left judges. And it's got to stop. The judges are crazy. It's amazing. They block everything. Yeah. They think that it's their determination as to who is allowed into the country and who gets to stay. And who doesn't? The judges think that's up to them. Not Congress. Not the president. Not state. Not to derail into a different topic, but there was a judge in Minnesota named Sarah West that threw it a $7 million unanimous, Somali fraud conviction today. The jury was unanimous. Screw it out. And she just threw it out. Yeah. CNN. It looks like it's now reporting that the one who is dead is the shooter. Or at least that's what my team is telling me, so I'm going to check that out. And again, this is the only thing that I'm seeing. I haven't found anything that's actually confirmed. But there's rumors of them having either actual machine guns or some kind of like something with a switch or something like that on it. With the story of the shooter right now. Yeah. And the judge also, I saw the picture of that judge. The one that was in Minnesota, she looks like she's 20s. Yeah. Yeah. Like what did this judge that threw out this conviction? So they're a young looking lady. Yeah. Yeah. The shooter was dead. Shooter was confirmed dead at the scene according to law enforcement officials that spoke with CNN. And at least seven people, including the two cops, were injured. So that is what is known so far. The two officers are in stable condition with that many, many people injured. It makes me think that there was a fully automatic gun. So whether it be, well, I mean, when you look at, let me, let me say if I can pull up some of the images because when you look at the images, I think I want to, I'm just trying to make sure I have these right just so you know, machine guns are illegal. This is a, this does not look like, I mean, I think this is why some, some, it may just be a lot of cops. It may be because, maybe because cops were shot, but I think the reason the story popped off is because there's something behind it. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, maybe full auto, maybe gang related, maybe a refugee, have you want to describe it related? Triple nine. Triple nine. Triple nine. Code for a cop shot. Oh, is that what it is? Oh, you learn something new every day. Yeah. I didn't know that. Yeah. You're doing a show on, on murders. Yeah. It's a, and I do, I tried to do them all in a minute, but some stories you've got to do the extra minute. But I would say that 90% of them have been in illegal aliens. Wasn't supposed to be here that already had crimes in the country they came from. I would say that it's people that had been in jail already and been tossed out by a left judge and put back on the streets, and we've had the, one of them, the most jarring one this recently, this last week was a seven year old, who was duct tape in a closet by three men that were women, this supposed to be the father, the mother's, the brutal story. Roodle water boarded everything and killed him, right? Killed him. And you know, in this tape, we were able to get all the tape of him with this grandparents and he'd said to them, I don't want to go back there. So all the signs are there and it was just, it's brutal of seven year old kid and there's stories like that concept that you can go online and just find them. So that's murder in a minute and you know, what I do is I kind of, I want to have a point of saying that the mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent. Yes. I put a face, a face on the innocent to these horrific crimes and I have a gentleman named Tom, maybe he's a exact producer, he's got five million followers and so, and he's genius with editing these things. And it's making a difference because a friend of yours who saw it and called me, in fact, can say his name, Jack Potsybick, and he said this show is amazing. So I'm just kind of getting the word up because it really does make a difference and showing so many, so many innocent lives are being killed by things that should never have happened. There was, well, obviously there's the Lindsay Clancy case, but this woman in Times Square with the knives. Yeah. And it's brutal to watch, especially, you know, being a new dad and this woman, she was a young woman, she's got married and she just had a baby, she's got back from maternity leave. The Bank of America. And yeah, exactly. And some, some deranged them with knives just murderous her for no reason in Times Square. Yeah. Murderous, murdered somebody else too. It was an interesting to, but actually kill, I thought the person was in critical condition. Yeah, critical condition. Did they survive her? Yeah. I do not know. Well, she killed that young woman, which is insane. And there are leftists that are saying that it's fine because she was a VIP at Bank of America. And there's other people that are saying, yeah, that she was a banker. And then there's other people who are saying the police shouldn't have shot the, oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, they're going off. They're going off on that. Yeah, they're going off on that. And the police tried to negotiate with her for almost five minutes. They used a taser on her, but she was too fast. It was going like this. She was doing the knife spin and it, she walked towards them with the knives. I mean, the pom-pom and do that. That's when the cops will. The taser didn't work because she was too fat. Yeah. Really? Yeah. Yeah. If it doesn't hit the muscle, then it's not going to work. Yes, that's true. Let me see. I know you said mercy to the guilty is what, like, yeah, mercy goes cruelty to the guilty to the innocent, but do you think that, like, how brutal should we be on the guilty? You mean in terms of punishment? Yeah. I for an eye. I've always said that. I'm all for the death penalty as long as it's not too severe. The reason I don't agree with eye for an eye is because sometimes it's too much and sometimes it's not enough. Yeah, like with the Charlie Kirk thing, it feels like it's not enough. Like I was watching the hearing yesterday and the judge did a judge grafted a really incredible job of going through the timeline, you know, everything that they said about the text messages and the surveillance cameras and cell phones and whatever else and all of the different things. He put it like in order. And so if you listen to him, like, go in order, I was listening to that and I was just getting more and more angry and he bound him over for trial on all seven counts. I went through, you know, how he was, how the prosecution had made their probable cause case on every single count. And I thought, you know, let's say this guy is found guilty. Let's say they, you know, go through several years of appeals and then they do put him to death. Like that's not, it's not enough for what was taken from us. Right. Okay. So you were saying is that so death penalty is not enough because it should be what's kept anything more severe. I'm not even pro death penalty, but I'm looking at this and I'm like, even if you erase this guy from from the world, like you, like it's, it's not enough for what. YouTube has, YouTube has guidelines that severely limit what we're allowed to say. No, no, no, I'm talking about, I'm talking about beyond the, the idea of going beyond, personally, I think that when it comes to things like, you know, child, if you're hurting children or, or what have you, I don't think that the death penalty is, is severe enough. I think that that I'm going to stop talking because YouTube says, you know, this is where like religion comes in pretty well, because you can imagine like you can imagine the kind of torture that would be medieval thing. Broken. Now by, by, by perhaps the one where they have the guy, they have like a metal spike and they grab his arms and legs and pull them down. Yeah. Oh my god. They did that. Yeah. And then there was medieval drawing medieval torture devices. There was this Romanian guy that had the right idea. So yes. You know, are you talking about the impaler? Yeah. Translating. Those things are not real. It's Romanians. Romanians. That's part of Romania. Oh, yeah. But I was glad was, do you guys think that we should implement racking? Oh, yeah. You know, you know what that is? What about the stock? You put it on the rack. Yeah. Yeah. You have a winch and you'll crank it. And it pulls their arms and legs and rips their joints. I would be through lesser. If we see the stocks, it's going to be because it's embarrassing. No one's embarrassed of their stupid behavior anymore. Well, that's, yeah. Everyone just owns it now. Everyone's like, what? I did it. I, I don't know. I can't even think of stupid things. Tim. People, people just like do dumb stuff. They go around stabbing people. They go around shooting. Well, okay. Stabbing and shooting. I did these things. no, but like Tim's idea of like the people that go in into like a Burger King and tear it all up. Those people, those people should be in stocks. But if that kind of behavior doesn't embarrass you, how would the stock go? No, because they get attention on the internet. But Tim's idea about like how to handle gang bangers in Chicago. And we're like, we're like, no, no, he was talking about, he was talking about like making them like crawl through Chicago, wearing a baby bonnets and diapers. Yeah, baby bonnets and diapers, that kind of stuff. That's, that's good for like small time stuff. Okay, you guys say, okay, this is a story that just happened I think last week, the 15-year-old kid in Detroit, you see him walking into the, going out of the side of the convenience store, and a African American woman walks in and a white woman comes behind her, he just takes the gun and shoots her in the head. Yeah. Have you seen? So that's going to be one of the shows where we're working, we're editing just to get it. And, and so 15 he's going to be tried as an adult, according to what I hear. But once again, why, why waste it? It's like, me person, I don't think this guy can't be saved. Well, I mean, who should you take, you take them off the streets, not to punish them, but to protect the rest of society. Just like you said, immersing to that guy is actually cruelty to the whole rest of society because all of the people that he may injure in the future, that he's actually likely to hit to injure in the future because recidivism is very, very high. If you're 15 years old and you do such a heinous act like that, get him off the streets forever. You know, how in the courtrooms, the prosecutors, the defense, they always try to paint a picture, they do a crime like the OG thing, they, they say, okay, at this, this night, he had the knife, and he did this. I just think they should just of a prosecution if they had a new division in courts, where they had a film division, where you make the actual, believe, a movie to see a jury. So they're being, you know, sometimes you have compassion from people online on Twitter or that, like, for the Clancy, they, Lindsey Clancy, I think so many things are said about people watching on Instagram or on X or Twitch, whatever it is, that they give her compassion. Yeah. If you re-enact something with an actual film crew, and you show, if they're allowed, you show it and go, this is what happened. And, you know, people cry at movies, you could, you could get the emotions from a jury. So you can use AI to build a hypothetical, this is what we think happened, and then maybe that'll happen. No, no, this is what we think happened, and they show another alternate possible thing. And it's like, which one's going to be more convincing? But the problem is you could, you could get people's emotions fired up right. Right. Well, let's jump to Lindsey Clancy's story, and then we'll, we'll keep going on the stuff. We got this from NBC News, Lindsey Clancy, jury, and it's fifth day of deliberation still deadlocked. Judge could declare a mistrile. So once again, there is no decision from the jury. I also want to stress that the reporting that two jurors were wearing pink is fake news. We actually said that on this show, that is not correct. Apparently one older lady was wearing pink, and some other one was wearing coral pants. And then someone said, the red pink that proves it. If they were wearing like the pink sweaters, maybe that would make sense. Not like a, you know, it's like a thin, you know, over, not like a thick sweater, like a thin one, maybe, but it's looking like this is going to be a hung jury, and this woman is going to be released. It is mind blowing. In my opinion, reading, if you just go to threads.com and read with these women are writing, they are insane people. So we are going to see a woman who admittedly murdered her kids likely get off. If there's a mistrile, they may not even try again. It's why I asked you in the earlier segment about the, like, what level of brutality should we exact on criminals is because like, what I really am concerned with when crime happens or when evil happens is how can we make the world better after the fact? And sometimes smashing the villain into paste isn't necessarily going to make the world a better place. Because you, it does make the world a better place because you take the dangerous individual out of society where they can go and hurt people. But the point is getting them, the point is whether it be, whether it be actual death penalty or just putting them away forever, the point is to get them out of normal society because they don't function in normal society the way that we expect people to function. And that is how you protect normal people. It's not about, it's not about, you know, the current criminal. I don't honestly, when I think of like punishment for crimes and stuff like that, I don't believe that there's a whole lot of, you know, if you're a repeat defender, if you got multiple crimes, put them away forever. Yeah, I was studying, watch this documentary on medieval life and what it would be like walking a road in medieval times and the people you might run into. Some of them were called outlaws. And that was a legal term that the judges would decide you've committed so many crimes, you didn't show up, we're now declaring you outlaw, you are outside the law, people can do whatever they want to you. You're like a wild animal now and they get. And so we, we stopped doing that to people, we stopped stripping them up there. So like, they don't, people don't get kicked and slaughtered on the street and out in the open because that doesn't make the world better. No, but taking them off the street and putting them in jail makes the world better. I mean, I think that it would make the world better for Lindsey Clancy to be locked up for the rest of her life, including in a perhaps psyche. And medieval times, I agree. I think she should, I think she should go to a psychiatric institution because those are worse than jails. And it's not, it's about making sure everyone knows we enforce our laws. If she's released, how many women are going to be like, well, now I know how to kill kids if I ever want to. And you already, you've already seen other circumstance, if you saw what was it like a, a woman who was saying, um, who shot her 11 month old just recently in the face and killed him to prevent the father from getting custody. Just today, there's a case in Ohio and the circumstances are not entirely clear, but two year old was found dead in a home where the mother was trying to kill herself at the same time and she was carted off. So we're going to see copycats if this kind of thing is permitted because you're going to have stupid idiot women who have absolutely no values or principles or moral foundation thinking that if they just go a little dotty from too much liquor and valium or whatever it is the kids are taking these days, then they're going to be able to get off and just do whatever and they're going to be freed from what they see as the miserable burden of raising their children. And I've never been in favor of like, you know, you need to prove that you can have a child, but like no one should impregnate women like. So if there's a mistrile, she just walks. Is that what's happening? The thing is, if there's a mistrile, if there's a hung jury. Yes. The prosecutors can say we want to retrial and they can perhaps keep holding her. That's what I would say. In a, in the hospital, like mental facility where she is. And if she were found not guilty by reason of insanity, that's where she would remain. It's basically in this mental hospital. But I'm saying if she was found not guilty by reason of sanity, she goes free. No, if she's found guilty, I believe what they said is that she stays in a mental hospital. That's if the, they determine she is still presently insane. And because the argument is post-partum psychosis, that would mean she is no longer post-partum air go. She was crazy, then she's not crazy now. I think I, I believe I heard the judge saying that she would be committed to a psychiatric facility. Then that's the judge's discretion to do. That's, that's the point. And I think he's basically saying like we're not gonna let her go. But when you, when you argue in sanity, the, what these people are trying to do is they're trying to say, I was crazy then, but I'm okay now. So therefore, that crime is excused. And you can't put me in a psych ward because I'm not crazy anymore. Well, it's Irene Zoruzka, the killer. They claim he's not going to trial because they said he's insane. It's not going to, if there's a, if it's a, they'll be a retrial, I think, I think they'll do it because I just think they're going to redo it. They did fill specter. And they did, they were trying, you got, was found guilty after that. I think they should, I think they should try. I don't move by the way. I know also Phil's factor film. Once again, don't hang around the cake. I think that first degree might have been the wrong charge because if she was truly out of commission, like hopped up on psychiatric at, at her doctor's discretion, like maybe it's a manslaughter. They did give a lesser charge for the jury to pick them. The judge said that they could, the judge said that the jury could consider manslaughter. But the prosecution also argued that it was first degree murder. And they made a rather compelling case about how she went about doing this thing, getting her husband out of the way, planning for the whole crime. She was googling stuff about murder. Yeah, I mean, they made a very compelling argument that she had planned in advance. The two men are culpable. Not just, yeah, not just to kill her children, but to kill herself. And then, you know, and in the arguments about how she didn't have help, she had a nanny. She had 18 months maternity leave. Her husband worked from home. Her in-laws were around and supportive. Her parents were around and supportive. They've been so supportive that they both quit their jobs and or whatever it was that they were doing. And they're up there in Massachusetts all the time supporting her. They've raised over a million dollars on a go fund me for their living expenses so they can keep supporting their child killer daughter, their daughter who killed their grandchildren. So when you look at how the prosecution laid out the case, I mean, I've heard people say, "Oh, they didn't do a great job," or whatever. But when I listen to it, because I watched a bunch of this case with Hannah Nightingale, actually, we were watching it, you know, at the Post-Moliniol every day, it looked pretty, it looked premeditated to me. All I can say, the only thing I want to hear where you guys are saying is that if those were somebody else's kids that she killed, she'd already be in prison. It would already be convicted and it would be over with. But for some reason, because they're her kids, it's a little bit less bad. Like, it should be, well, I agree with you, but I think the only, I think the only reason should be in prison is because you'd have an agreed, a separate agreed party. Yeah. So the other family would be lobbying, complaining and have supporters. Because it was her own kids, she's pulling the "Oh, but I was suffering as a woman." and she's getting women supporters. - Like the children have no champion to speak for them. It's horrifying. And obviously she should be in prison, the psycho. Like no offense lady, but-- - You read the transfer. - You did that to your son. - Island. - Yes, the island for Lindsay Clancy. And with no wheelchair. - Roll around. - Release him some time away from society with no drug system. - The island is a hypothetical prison camp where we just drop you off and leave. - It's okay. - I'll go, it's with DiCaprio, right? - No, no, no, there's facilities on that island. Our hypothetical half-joke is that for the most evil of individuals, we kick them off to an island and we just leave and say, you live. - No toilet paper. - No toilet paper. - There was a reference thing to the Gilligan. - No, no, thanks, you know. - When we say the island, we're saying drop them off somewhere and forget about it. - I think that's a great idea. - It's almost, I think there should be. - Oubliad. - Oubliad. - The banishment, the banishment. We're talking more banishment than Oubliad. Oubliad, Oubliad. - Okay, actually, actually, I, Lindsay Clancy Oubliad. - A double Oubliad. - I'm okay with it. - Just forget. - That's where they throw you in a hole. - Oh, no, Shia Memorial, yeah. - It's like a sewer, right? - How does a bar move from? You remember Susan Smith, drawn her kids? - Yeah. - And then there was a, there was a, like the bar, that was years ago, there was, I don't think there was so much sympathy. Before there, there was a, the woman was a song, hungry like the wolf that one who killed, there's Casey Anthony. When did the bar become acceptable? When did this happen? The bar became acceptable for someone to murder three kids and then it's to killing. - Men, men, men, men go to jail, men get the death penalty. This, and this is a point that I actually was, was hoping I could get to make. There's a lot of people, a lot of women that say, when you, when you say something about, people are commenting on this, they're like, oh, you know, well, men kill so many more Oubliad, and that's true. They're men are more violent than women. But men do not get in line to defend the man that killed a men, say, put him in jail forever, if they're kind, if they're gentle, if they're not, you know, saying, you know, off with his head or whatever, because most men are like, he did what? - Well, you'll have men that end up in jail for having sex with a woman who later says that he raped her even though it occurred consensual at the time. So I mean, there's not a lot of comparison, they're that insane. This whole thing though with Clancy, I think that there's a couple of things that happened between Susan Smith. And now social media is definitely part of it. You know, something Jack calls true crime brain or Instagram brain, I think is part of it. But you also had a feminist movement that simultaneously told women that they were equal under the law better than men and not responsible for their actions because everything was men's fault. It doesn't make any sense. And we also eliminated religion, which by eliminating religion from our society, we left morality in the hands of just law as opposed to something that has a higher power behind it. And I think that was a mistake. - This is the thing that Libby outlines is a real serious problem in society because women hate men now. Young, specifically younger women, have a really, really negative outlook on men, particularly women on the left, Democrats and stuff, have a very, very, very negative outlook on men. Men don't share those feelings. They have a general kind of, you know, well, you know, women are this way blah, blah, blah. Some men are, you know, I guess misogynistic. There are some men that actually hate women. Usually it's because of something that's happened to them. But women more broadly think that the reason they can't, they're not successful and they're not a CEO with babies and why they don't have, you know, all of the things that they're hard desires is because of some man somewhere. They hate men. But when they think of men, they're either thinking of like the president, and I'm not talking about Donald Trump, I'm just talking about like the president as a concept, or their dad. It's not men. It's people because women are subject oriented and men are object oriented. So men tend to see their obstacles as something, a thing to overcome, and women tend to see their obstacles as people. I was referencing a poll that I saw of women that were young, middle-aged, and older, and young women. I think the underlying issue is that in, so there's this chart that I posted where it shows various college courses by gender, computer science is 81% male, English lit is 80% female, showing that men and women have different motivations. Women are very motivated by the human experience, men very motivated by binary goals. In the middle is political science, which is 50/50. Now the funny thing is, a cursory glance, somebody of low-order thinking, or who's not thinking very deeply, you could be smart and just kind of not care. Make the assumption men and women are equally interested in political science. That's technically true, but there's an underlying facet to the male and female experience. Women are motivated by motivated towards political science because of the human element, men are motivated towards political science because of the structural element. Even when men and women are focused on the same subject, it's for completely different reasons. I think maybe that's why the United States government was formed by men and because of that, it's not about who's in charge, it's about how it runs. The revolution of the United States government's phenomenal, that you can revolve the system every four years and put new people in. It's like a trust-faith system built by men. Not that women didn't have anything to do with it, but it was specifically built by men. When it was not about the king, it was not about the individual man, even George Washington knew it was not about him. It was not about how you felt. It was about the function of the system, very cold. Well, the women who did have something to do with it were the wives of the men who were creating the system who served as sounding boards, like Abigail Adams. They were pretty bad-ass. I mean, but John Adams bounced ideas off Abigail. They had a great relationship. But these were primarily young men who were taking a big risk in creating a government. And I think it's unbelievable the amount of talent that was put in that room, do you know what I mean? And I don't think that it's any knock on women at large to say that men founded this country and they did a damn good job of it. Yeah, well, part of the problem is there are a lot of women nowadays that would say, well, look at all the negative things that have happened and they would focus on the fact that women-- Women got to raise those men. Women got to raise those boys into men who became good men who did an amazing thing. I mean, I feel like I like my career, whatever. You guys know, I'm such a dork. My favorite thing is raising my son. I look at him and I'm like, wow, I think I'm raising a good man. Like yay, you know, I mean, what is better than that? Yeah, you think many people, women think like you think? I have a bunch of friends that think that way. You're, yeah, and then you can't believe that there's so much I do. But I don't have that many friends either, so. Women are being lied to. What was it saying? Who about women are lied to, men are lied about? Man, it's been about 20 years. This fracturing of the sexism. I don't know what caused it to start it. Maybe internet video, maybe enthusiasm. What's that? The people who, the population bomb. The people who think that the earth is on track for overpopulation, so they just stop people from breeding. Funny though, they only stop people from breeding in western countries and high IQ countries in Asia. I remember in 2007 sitting out in this backyard with this girl that I loved and we were talking about having kids and I was like, I want to wait till I have money 'cause I want to be able to carry them around the world with me. She was like, okay, and we never just fell. A terrible idea. Don't wait till you have money, have kids. You'll figure it out. You can carry them around the world without any money. Yeah, like there have been populations. There's never been a population that's as wealthy and successful as the population of America. Poor people in America are fat. And people used to have tons of kids with far less means than we have today. Don't wait to have kids have kids now. Yes, that's always the, I remember very distinctly, I had a friend years ago. Hold that, hold on. And don't say, oh, Phil, you're 50 and you just had your first kid. Yeah, I know, but I was married before and she couldn't have kids, so like we tried. So go, anyway, go ahead. No, I had this friend and she was the first one of our group to have kids and it was in, we were in our early 20s or whatever and she got married and she was really happy and everything and she started having kids and we were like, aren't you a little young to have kids and she was like, there's never a right time to have kids. Just have a bunch of kids now. I feel like it has been baked into like a younger generation that you do have to be successful first and then have kids later. Which sort of tells people that having children is not a measure of success and I think having children is a measure of success. Agreed. Yeah, I come from family of seven. So also, it was really, so cool. In Wisconsin, family seven, my mom was a nurse, did that, made every one of our lunches and when you're a kid, you don't realize that's no big deal. Did the laundry, did everything and my dad worked too so it was like, oh my God, and he realized later in life you go, oh, how did we have, how did you do all this stuff? I was a bunk bed brother. That's the thing, kids don't know. You know, where are you at the line up? Yeah, second youngest. Second youngest, so my parents passed away, but my God, I just think about, my mom did all these things and she's gone now. I go, it's pretty incredible that I don't know of the generation now because I date younger, but they have no concept of that. It's just there's no concept of having to do all those things. My kids are most of the year old. He has no idea how much money I have or don't have. The kids don't care. When you're growing up, you don't notice that kind of stuff. If your parents are taking care of you, if your parents love you and your family's good. They're on the table, your clothes are clean. Yeah, you know, it's like, it's all good. You don't even start getting to the point where you're like, oh, Tommy has this and I don't until you're like, five, six, seven years old. And maybe when you're in your teens, you're like, ah, man, we're poor. You know, like me. Or like, I wish my parents got me a better car. I was a bad kid. I had a hard boy across my family. crib. So it was not always strange. Probably a good idea. You know, okay, it was the barb where probably when you're young, like, all I thought was this is all dads are like that and all moms are like that. When I see other kids, they'd be like, well, their mom and dad is like mine because that's what like you're saying, Phil, it was just this is what is normal. This is what is. But then now we have internet video and kids when they're eight can see other families before you're like in your family. And that's it. And you're only go out when you're let out. And then now you can watch TV and be like, hey, that's not like my dad, Al Bundy, is that what a dad supposed to be? And you see all this just manipulation through media. I remember I wanted my family to be like the Cosby show and then eventually they sent Bill Cosby to jail. Thank goodness. They weren't. Yeah. JLo. Yeah. My family is kind of like no, JLo movement. You guys watch home improvement. Yeah. In the two minutes, Tim, my mom is just like that mom in the in the show, three boys in the family, two last neighbor, Louie, spray us with the hose and shit. You ever see his face? Who's the two? Who was the two old time girl? Anyway, all the hot chick as my mom, that's my friend, a friend of my parents. Yeah. Friend of my parents. Shout out to Kim. I'm maybe you're listening right now. The baby said love you, Kim. Yeah, she was hot. So it really was just like home improvement. It was, it was a lot like that show. My mom actually sent the studio story about what happened with our family that we did something one time they wanted to make a show out in there like, well, thanks. But we're not, we don't accept solicitations. But thank you for that. Yeah. And then a year later, it was in the show. I wish I could remember an episode. It was from you. Yeah. That's what she says. So I kind of, but it was like I was wanted to become, I wanted it to be real. So I kind of acted towards that becoming a reality. So that's dangerous for kids. If they see shitty TV shows and they, they kind of forced their way like my brothers name is Max. And we used to get this book read to us called Where the Wild Things Are. Oh, yeah, book and they make it Max. And he's this little son of bitch that my son all the time. And then he, he tells his mom he's going to eat her up. And it's like she sends them to dinner without, or just bed without dinner. And then Max, my younger brother who was like three is being read this story night after night. She starts to become this character. And he becomes this wild man. And so all of my teen years, he was like, I'm not angry, but like wild dude. And I think it was because of the media, the book that in addition to other things, but that book, like gave him a story to tell himself that wasn't a good story. Mm-hmm. You really need to guard children's brains or guide their brains or something. You got to guide them. I think Dumber read that book. It's a guy eating one. Let's let's let's let's carry on this conversation. We'll jump to the story from this is K.R. CR TV. Massachusetts woman accused of photographing jurors in Lindsay Clancy trial. This is how insane people are getting a woman whose name is, and I kid you not. Don light. Is that a real name? Yeah, there was a charge with a dance when I was a kid and I grew up in there. She was charged with aggravated intimidation of a juror. Apparently, she went to where they were parking. She troopers of some surveillance security were alerted by a court officer. Someone may have been filming jurors and employee parking lot. Police prosecutor said lights vehicle was facing a restricted area where jurors could be seen. Now, there's a video of this woman running through a parking lot with the press surrounding her as she giggles and laughs. I'm sorry, these women are psychotic. There was too many of them. And this is why they had the Salem witch trials. So Don light 56 years old. Sutton mass. She's a retired nurse. I actually watched her entire arrangement today. So she was in this parking lot. She was accused of filming jurors. The Massachusetts staties came in and they looked at her phone. She handed it over willingly. They checked out her footage. She did have footage of jurors and she had been filming them in the parking lot where she was filming them behind the court is actually restricted to the public. It's where the jurors go in and out. It's where the lawyers go in and out and all like that. So she wasn't supposed to be there at all. No one's supposed to be back there. So that was already a red flag for the cops that showed up. And then during the arrangement, what was interesting, the prosecution asked for $50,000 bail and her defend her attorneys were like, she doesn't have it. She was on the first floor of the Plymouth County Courthouse. Clancy is being tried on the third floor. So she was it was interesting. She was in the building. But what her attorneys said was that she was not trying to photograph the jurors, but she was trying to get a photograph of Clancy. Yeah. It's an ironic that she's going to be a heavier penalty than Lindsey Clancy. That is crazy. Yeah. It might be a hung jury and this woman's going to get a $50,000 fine in possibly 20 years in prison. And that just shows you. I'm going to pull up threads.com. And to be fair, I understand how algorithms work. But this is what it's been recommending to me. Okay. I pulled it up. I did not search for anything. Here's we are 100% watching an innocent woman being framed. The only caveat I would add below is that it wasn't really Patrick at CVS. It was his doppelganger. It was some guy that looked just like him. Who was it on the 911? They're posting AI images as it's it's wild. Oh, look, another one trending Lindsey Clancy. I've threads is dominated by Lindsey Clancy trend. Well, mine was Neil Patrick Harris said that Ben Stiller helped to realize he was gay. That's what came up in my threads. That's a better thread. The Commonwealth actually proved, down to raisin well, that that Lindsey physically killed all three children. She said she did. She discussed it for years with a, I believe a psychologist or psychiatrist. So that's not really in dispute. Yeah. And if you look at the, there's a transcript of the 911 call that Patrick made going around. And it is absolutely brutal. It's really, really. I just read it. First he runs, first he runs to the aid of his wife. And then he realizes what happens. I mean, obviously like I think it like he's like my body. And I'm like, so I called, you know, my kid body all the time. And I'm just like, I'm going to play. They're not really handle it. Let's play this clip. I want to talk about the presumption of innocence and the burden of proof. Once again, the indictments against this Clancy are only an accusation. They're not evidence that defendant has denied that she's guilty of the crimes charged in these indictments. The law presumes the defendant to be innocent of the charges against her. This presumption of innocence is a rule of law. So what they've done basically is because she's claiming she's not guilty because she's nuts. They are taking this. And it says to anyone saying she admitted to committing the crimes, here's proof straight from the judge. No, he's saying she's claiming because she's crazy. She's not guilty. But of course, this is what these people do. Oh, man. Oh, what is this? Not guilty of the way they're classifying what she did. She's not saying she didn't do it. Look at this stuff that they're making. Is this real? This is China. It's got to be China. I don't believe from it. You know what it is. They're trying to get us to hate women. Okay. I really believe everything in me that Lindsey is innocent, the timeline, the DNA, nothing makes sense. And look at what they made. Dude, if there's a. Oh, these beautiful ages are watching over their mama. This is rage bait from China. I don't believe it anymore. I'm done. That's really bizarre that they did that and got the pictures of the kids with that. What's the other one? Is it different? Yeah. How did she justice for Corridor Sonny and Lindsay? Oh my God. She did what she. She. She. She took the rage bait. She took them each into the basement one by one. She started with the middle child. She strangled him to death with an exercise band. And he was the child who in Facebook post, she said was the most difficult child that she had the most trouble with. And then she killed the older one, her daughter, and then she killed the baby with all with. She strangled them with exercise bands. And one thing that is also crazy, she took a phone call while she was strangling them from her husband who said he thought that the kids that she was just giving them a bath and that that's what he heard on the phone. She took a call. God. Yeah. Where he was confirming with her which medication to get at CVS. The middle one was the most difficult. This goes to another common topic is like males are definitely different than females, men are different than even a boy. It's just that she was used to a daughter and she had a son. He was man poor little guy. Just say the mind of killing one. And then and she's got a she's strangers of the person saying to himself, I have a goal. I've got to do it all. I know it's going to be I just it's just like you are to fathom that you did it to her. Yeah. That came out of her womb. And she's the next size band killing three. And he how does how do you block that out? To go on to the next one. I so yeah, how does anybody have compassion for her? I'm sorry. I have no idea. I don't shocking. You know, hearing it from you just to save the exercise band and how she did how does the jury not. Well, it's just like Chris Watts, but it seems like it's kind of worse. What's this Watts? He killed his two daughters. And then he like stuffed them in an oil pipe. Try to get away with it. Oh, yeah. I remember that. Oh, she didn't try to she turn herself in. No, she tried to get away with it by killing herself. And then when she, but it was superficial wounds with a knife. They found the knife on her bedside table next to a wine tumbler that said because kids on it. If she had been and then she tried to throw herself out the window and she ended up paralyzed. And it was a butter night. So you realize right? Yes, it was really. Oh, man. It was like it was like a, you know, it was like a nonions kind of knife. And she probably gave that I'm Google where to hit certain parts of your body. They won't. Who knows? But because you were mentioning there was stuff on the computer. She Googled Google things like, you know, I don't remember specifically, but they were related to murder related to psychosis. Like if she had been ordered to do this under director. rest because I've been listening to Vietnam vets come back and talk about the massacres they they implemented while they were there under orders. And I could that's a good one. I could understand like in a more time you're commanded to do something. You think it's the enemy. You do it. You carry it out. You finish the job. You you kill everything that moves. It's a horrible lifestyle. You want to raid that one, so did this of our own free will. We're supposed to believe all women when they claim they were raped or sexually harassed, but not when they admit to murdering their children. I mean, look, this is this really has produced a lot. First of all, it's produced a lot of really, really, I don't want to say funny, but good memes. And it does a terrible disservice to women in general. Oh, it's terrible. Yeah. It's terrible. It's okay. So the me to movement, I thought was absolutely terrible because it was infantilizing women. It was like saying, oh, you sleep with somebody. And then the next day you decide you didn't want to. You can say that you were raped. And I watched people that I knew who had told me stories about relationships they had or whatever. I watched them change their stories in real time to say that they were coerced or whatever. And I was like, look, you know, he took you to dinner. You got the lobster. You went home with them. You thought that that was a fine trade. Now you don't. That's not rape. You moron. Like you ate the lobster. Like you made a deal. That's it's you can make deals. You're a grown up. You get to do that. It's fine. Like maybe you wish you hadn't, but wishing that you hadn't done something that now goes again, that like goes against your moral code means, you know, assess yourself. Don't start lashing out at other people. And there's this thing too that I think we don't talk about, which I was actually talking to Jack about the other day, like the the feminine heroine's journey, right versus the masculine heroes journey. And, you know, we had similar but different perspectives on it. But he was saying that one thing that is sort of a constant in the female heroes journey is to is the maintenance of the feminine virtue, right? Maintenance of the feminine virtue. So you have a situation where you have women who want to be perceived in a virtuous way, who act in non-virtuous ways. And then in order to in an attempt to maintain other people perceiving them as virtuous, they make up lies about men. Like that's why there was a case. What was it? Like the junior hockey players in Canada and this woman like banged all the hockey players and then it was found out that she banged all the hockey players. Is it bum or banged? I don't know. I don't know. I'm not, you know, I'm not Canadian. I don't know. I don't count on the speed Canadian. But anyway, she like banged all the hockey players. They had her on video consenting to it because they were like, this is crazy. Is she really into it? And she was like, yeah, I'm totally going to bang all hockey players. And then she said that they raped her because people found out about it. And she didn't like that her dad and other people saw her as non-virtuous. Basically is the story. And I think that that happened with me too, right? Like you had all of these cases. There was like a foreign correspondence in Italy and they were all hanging out. And whatever. Like there's so many of these cases and you look at it and you're like, girl, like get right with yourself. You made some decisions. You wish you hadn't. You know, with a cure for that is make different decisions next time. That's what you can do. And when I say, you know, don't infantilize all women because you're an idiot. When I say women are ridiculous, generally women are ridiculous and silly. I'm the bad guy. Like I never said you were the bad guy. No, I'm not saying, no, no. I'm not, I'm not talking about you personally because you're not generally silly. That's crazy. Like own yourself people. That's what equality means. There's nothing with a speaking of mothers and their love for sons. This just happened also with the the kid who killed his girlfriend said the demons made him do it. Do it. Knife it and the mother cleans up the. What was that story? That was that's thick. It's I'm going to do a story on that one for murder. Maybe demons didn't make him do it. Well, maybe maybe, it doesn't mean he's right, but it doesn't go to jail. The mom's the one that helped him clean up the way with the rubber. Here's a question for you. Libby, if your kid killed somebody, would you help them cover it up and try and keep out of jail? You know, I don't know. I know that's tough question, right? The tough question because also I am like a quarter Sicilian. So we have that. I'm going to get a little racism in here, Libby. Just a little. You never got against Sicilian when death is on the line. That should be in a movie. That is in it. It is literally the princess right. Oh, that's right. No, I know that. I think that question is it depends on what was done. Yeah. What was the kill? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like there are certain things that I think I would probably protect my child over. And there are certain things that I absolutely would not. It's like it's not such a fascinating case when you look at Robinson, right? Because Robinson's parents saw him on their surveillance footage and they were like, Oh, no, that's our son. Yeah. And they reached out to him and they encouraged him to turn himself in. And I think they did the right thing. So here's a question for you. But that's not, you know, here's a question for you. Do you have any kids? Yeah. So there's a question. My god, she's in the car. I'll bring it back. It's a question for the parents on the room. I think Ian, that's just you. Oh, yeah. All right. Outside perspective. If your kid went to the mall with some friends, meaning it was meaning up with some friends. And then when they were leaving backed up and hit a vehicle, panicked and that like damaged it, panicked and drove home, parked the car on the driveway, ran in the house and went in their room. And you heard knock on the door. It's the police. You answer the door and they say, sir, is that your vehicle driver say yes? They say, well, that vehicle's on camera in a hit and run. And you knew it was your kid. Would you say that was me? 100%. I would turn. Of course I would. I because first I'm Catholic guilt. Immediately. I'd say, yeah, that's that's our. No, no, no, would you say you did it? Oh, if I did it, would you would you say no, my kid did it? No, I would say the kid did it. I would say the kid did it. Yeah. 24. Does it matter? No, but they can't see how the camera was. They just know. I would say that would you take the fall? No. What about you, Lily? No. I don't answer the door. I was going to say come back with a warrant. Okay. The cops show with a warrant. Okay. Come on with the warrant. And they say we have a warrant as a rule. I know when I turn my door. And so they kick the door in. So they kick the door in. Would I take the fall for the kid? Was anybody hurt? No, then no. It's just a hit and run. The kid's going to learn. If the kid's going to learn, then I think I would, I think I think I would, I think I would work with them. And you know, the kid would pay for it. Yeah. Yeah. Hit and run can be serious charges. Well, if you're backing up into somebody's car, like it was an accident, but instead of staying to figure out they panicked and flood. I guess I was like, it was hurt. You know, $1,000 of the damages, but hit and runs it and run. If nobody's hurt, then I, I think I, I think I. You guys are like sitting here talking about the letter of the law and like punishing criminals and like even the, the, the idea that you might protect your kid if he's a criminal is complete insanity. I literally, I literally said that kid's going to learn. I'm like boy, get out here. Yeah. And like the, the, the nepotistic will to cover up crimes of your family is insane to me. No, I think it's going to be violent. It's made violent crimes one thing. I don't care about a lot of white collar crime. If you cover up, you're also part of the crime. Yeah. You can, you're going to risk yourself going, but that's not the hypothetical we're asking. So we don't need to play semantic games. The point is, would you take the fall for your kid if you could on a, a relatively minor, minor crime. Oh, that kid's going to learn. Not it, not for a minor crime. I mean, I'd be more like, I'd be more like, so it's up, it's a minor crime. So I might, it depends on the circumstances, but I might, because I don't want my kid to go to jail for a year, which would destroy their life. I'm old. I can handle a year in jail. You're sending your kids a year, depending on their teenager to Juvie could destroy their lives. And if they're 18 or 19, it could seriously destroy their lives. Would it make a difference if you had a son versus a daughter? Because Phil and I both have sons. I wouldn't know, but I would presume it wouldn't matter one way of the other. I think if I had a daughter, I would definitely take the fall. So if the damage, so here, here, here, here in, I'm using Virginia as an example, because that's like, we, I can choose Maryland Virginia. With, with no real damage, it's a ticket. So if you like, scrape the car, and it's like, there's no dent or anything, that is a $250 fine. If the damage is 250 to 1,000, this is a class one misdemeanor, where you can receive up to a year in jail and $2,500 fine. And if the damage is over 1,000, it's a felony, which is one to 10 years in prison. So if your kid damaged the side of the car, causing a $1,000 in damage, panicked, nobody's hurt, flees, the police show up and say, this is serious. It's over 1,000 hours worth of damage. Your kid committed a, whoever was driving committed a felony. Who did it? Now, I guess to be fair, you could just be like, the car must have been driving itself to Tesla. I don't know. Because I can't really prove who did it at that point. So it may just fall on you unless you write your kid out. So it's your car. They say your car did it. I guess technically, I would say that they would compel you to say who was driving the car. You know, I guess put it like this way. If your kid's facing 1 to 10 years in prison, you going to take the fall form or not. I don't think so. I don't think so. If it's a crime like that, nonviolent crime, I don't think so. And I use this example because this happens a lot actually. I don't think it happens like every day. But 16 year old kid backs into a car, doesn't know what to do. Panics, things are going to get in trouble. So inside [BLANK_AUDIO] stopping and calling it in or waiting for the owner, they leave. And then actually, I used to example because a similar story happened to a friend of mine who was at a mall back into a car when he was like, he was like 17, drove home, was caught on camera, the cops got the license plate, got to the address and then knocked on the door. In this instance though, they said, don't worry, there's no crime. They just want you to give the insurance information, we understand the kid freaked out, we're not really worried about it. And everyone was like, oh, very cool, like thank you. But using that as a hypothetical, would you take the fall on a felony charge or have your kid, hey, you did it? If you protect him once, he's going to do it. If it's a felony, that kid very likely going to do that again. No. You don't think so? We're talking about an accident and a panic. Yeah. Okay. We're not talking about someone who's like, I'm going to ran his car. I'm not a violent felony because non-violent is really work. If it's a violent thing, the kid's going away. If that thing became violent, it's up to that thing to deal with it. That child, that person is like, so what about you, Carter? You wouldn't. You let your son go to prison. It's a minimum of one year in prison. Yeah. I mean, going like, honestly, I'm doing that thing where you're going through all the different possibilities, come back with a warrant, we're going to ask for a lawyer. For the sake of the hypothetical, we know that doesn't matter. The question is, would you take the fall or send your, or let your kid take the felony? I would not, I would not take the fall for that. I think it also matters if you have more than one kid, because like, if you go to jail, but I do everything I could to get it off. The other ones. Yeah. I'm curious what the, what the viewers think, too, though, because I don't, I don't, I don't know if there's a real, a real answer there. I think, I think the moral and honest answer is the kid take responsibility for what the kid did, whatever it may have been. But I do know there's a lot of people who are like, don't know, don't care my kids, you know, not going to jail. It does depend on the crime, because not all crime is evil, to be honest, most of it is hypothetical. He gave the specifics of the hypothetical, so property damage. The purpose of it was to say it's an accident with no malice, but it is a, but it is a felony. But it is a felony. So what if the kid was walking down the street and vandalizing fences? Yeah, absolutely not. That's, that's malicious. That's you go to jail for, my, my point is, when you cover for the kid, I wouldn't, no, absolutely not. You turn it. Would you turn the kid in? Yeah, maybe depending on, depending on the circumstances, there is degree, it is a gradient. Depending on the severity of the crime, yes. If it's like, I don't know, spray paint. It's like, are we going to really, you know, it's a couple of hundred bucks to fix. It's bad. I don't know. I'm going to go, I'm going to be like, well, I know my kid did, I'm going to the police and go say, hey, there was vandalism somewhere. You mentioned earlier, a lot of times, it's easier to rectify the situation without getting the law involved if you can, like if you can really teach the kid a lesson, and I'm not talking about spiking them, I'm saying legitimately teach them a lesson somehow through it without it getting any involved in the circumstance of malice, they pay the penalty, meaning if, if my kid intentionally committed a crime to destroy or harm others, yes, they're, they're getting locked up. No question. What if they like, we're lighting fires in the backyard and it caught fire and started burn some of the time? Yeah. Yep. Yeah. You're, that's an intentional action. Well, if they were just playing with gas. Yeah, that's an intentional action. We took negligence is also your responsibility. My point about the accidental hit was that there was no intention to do it and panic resulted in them committing a crime. They, they didn't, wouldn't have otherwise committed committed and now they might go to prison for a year and your kid who otherwise is good and just had one accident, now could go to prison and I think they could destroy their life. I mean, look, look, I know, I know more than enough people from the South Side of Chicago who got like two years in Juvie and then when they got in, they got added charges which and then extended and it made everything substantially worse. You get in and then a gang comes and they threaten you into a fight, now they add charges. That's what happens in prison. This is why when I think of crime and rectifying crime, it's less about how hard can we punish the criminal and more about how can we make the world a better place after this happened? Because not always throwing the kid, throwing the criminal in jail is not always the way to make the world a better place. The circumstances that Tim lays out for the hypothetical and the discussion that we're having earlier are just worlds different, like night and day different. We're talking about like earlier, we were talking about like murder and he's talking about an accident. Sure. Accidental, say like a no accident, don't be a murder of vehicular homicide accident. Okay. Now you want to change this. Let's modify the equation now. So potentially still an accident, no malicious intent, but someone died as a result. Does that kid now deserve 30 years in prison or do you do you figure out a way to make this the world a better place somehow? Well, you're not going to be able to skirt a situation where there was a person that died involved. It's like he's talking, like the conditions, the situation are so different. So if you want to talk about like if your kid goes out and gets into a car accident and it's a, you know, possible manslaughter because he was driving recklessly and he hits someone else. And my first thought is well, my kid's probably in the hospital too because he hit someone's car hard enough for someone to die. So there's, it's just very, very different. Let me ask you this question. Let's say that you have a kid, your hypothetical son, discovers that the private corporation researchers have invented a device that can cure all diseases and the government sees it saying this is disruptive to the economy and no one can know about it. But your son, having learned about these classified files through hacking, breaks into the facility to steal the Genesis device, brings it to the public and then he's in the house holding the device and there's a knock on the door. Would you take the fall form in that, in that scenario? Do you have any Jews in the house? I might be willing to lie to the authorities for certain, certain crimes that I don't think are ethical. Now, that was the purpose of the question to translate to E&E's. If there was something that you thought the government was doing maliciously and it was for evil, would you take the fall to pet your kid and what they're doing is that the Nazis come to your house and ask if you're hiding Jews and you'd lie to them and save the Jewish person. Would you commit a crime for something you thought was morally good? Would you take the fall for a family member who committed a crime if you thought that crime was morally justified? That's a tough question. Well, we're also talking about something else. We're not just talking about would you take the fall for your kid? We're talking about do you trust the society that we live in and do you trust that we have fair and equitable laws or not? Do you trust our representative democracy? Do you believe that we have a just and fair system of government and jurisprudence? Clearly, not anymore. And this is— You know, and this is a question that the answer changes everything. You know? I mean, I used to think that we had that. I think things lately have proven that our judiciary is completely corrupt and backwards. Of course, it's all because of that. You know? And that's an issue. I got a blonde hair blue-eyed boy. No, I do not trust the court system at all. Not one bit. They're going to throw the book at him. But, you know, and that's the real question, I think, that this hypothetical speaks to. Well, even with the just system, some like J-walking when there's no cars around, some flock camera picks it up, and then the kid goes to like, what? That's not a crime, even though it's a crime on paper. There's no cars around. No one was in danger. Well, actually, J-walking isn't a crime in every jurisdiction. In some circumstances, J-walking becomes a crime only if you're obstructing the road. Yeah. But in some places like in Ferguson, J-walking is a petty offense where you get a ticket when you do it. I know. And there's no sidewalks or crosswalks in that place, which is what led to a lot of the contention. You got real mad. I think of myself today as thinking, I'm neutral good. If I was a D&D character, I'm like 65% on the order and chaos scale. I don't know how, what do you think, Phil? You think, I don't think neutral good. Ian? Yeah. Uh, he's chaotic neutral. I was thinking chaotic neutral, actually. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's giving me his chaotic. You got it. Yes. You said, "Annex, I was dying." You understand. Real like chaotic people are like, though, I'm not chaotic. I'm not chaotic changing the subject, not chaotic, and there's no way I tend towards you. You argued to Annex Gaza. Well, I brought it up as an inoculation tactic, so I can control the narrative because I'm a genius. So, so, I'm neutral. I know like chaos, I don't want people think that we get mad at Ian when we have these conversations. Guys, we're laughing. This is the funniest stuff. I'm having a time, I like it. I feel bad sometimes because I laugh at you, but I'm laughing with you. I can tell that laugh because it's high pitch, you're like, it's not laughing, you're laughing. I think I'm neutral good, because I think I tend towards. You're chaotic neutral. I don't think chaos. Real chaotic people are very dangerous. You've argued in favor of the US military doctrine around the world. I'd probably, in favor of it, yeah, that's an orderly thing to do. Right. Sometimes, you're orally, sometimes you're not. That's why you're chaotic. Neutral. Neutral. No, no, no, there's lawful, neutral and chaos. Yes. I tend neutral there, and then there's good, neutral and evil, and I tend good there. So I'm neutral good. I'm not lawful or chaotic. I'm neutral with the law. Neutral chaotic. Neutral good. You're arguing good with morality. I just keep looking at Carter. I think of Christopher walking in the deer hunter. I just don't know like the nomenclature of this. Now, he's catacneutral scale. You catacneutral. So I'm trying to pull. I'm trying to piece it together. You can't trust them. They'll break the law at will. They serve themselves. They're not. They're not good people in your case. I really don't think so yeah, let's pull this up so people know it's a D and D alignment So let's let's let's give people a general understanding of what this means and it doesn't really matter if it's it's the D&D alignment But don't ignore D&D. This is an interesting way to take a look at at how you view people lawful good Means you're like a white knight you obey the law and you do your best to help people lawful evil is your a tyrannical dictator The law is on your side, but you do it to selfish evil ends chaotic good as Robinhood He steals from the government to give back to the taxpayer. Are we gonna chaotic evil is like a supervillain Who is just destructive and outside the law but for own for their personal gain? Ian's Catech neutral You're absolutely Catech neutral and earlier you like you tried to switch it like trying to like act act like We don't know what lawful and chaotic in the D and D terms. He was thinking everybody. I want to know what everybody is on the panel What's Phil? Neutral good neutral good. What about what about Carter dude? I have no card neutral I think I think we'd all probably fall in neutral good. I don't know Phil lately has been making me think he's lawful neutral Or maybe new harder new no Phil is true neutral because the way he says round them up round them all up Like he's willing to use the law to just smash it up. That makes that's why I say I'm neutral good. I don't think that's good It is I think that's a willingness to do evil to get the job. No Phil's motivation is so evil as a reference to selfishness and sacrifice of others Utilitarianism for instance is this type of evil so so no no no no no You James I think you're missing I still a thousand to save a million understanding what this alignment is Oh, he's doing a purpose. I don't understand right now. I'm on the brought it up. I I know this so well I can why are you he has a reference to helping everyone evil is a reference to helping yourself Well, it's a lot of its perspective, but you know a lot of yes But we're talking about an alignment chart not a perspective on alignment. We're talking about what it's meant to be what the words mean So chaotic evil like a lich, right? Yeah, you don't see a lot of chaotic people in the world. They're usually in prison or dead Indeed, chaotic evil is a lich. They are stealing power outside the system and raising the dead to their own ends Chaotic good is Robin Hoodies outside the system. He defies the system But he's doing it to help everyone around him. Perhaps John McAfee some might argue or maybe he's a more chaotic neutral I don't know how good he was because he'd wave guns around at people and then down there you have lawful You have Hitler in the bottom left. Yes, Hitler's a lot of what is the best lawful good is the best to be or is it? No, no, no, no. The problem with lawful good is that you will have a dictator tyrant saying For the better of the people we're gonna take all their money and the lawful good guy says like I'm gonna try and keep order and So neutral good is probably the best to be Um, it depends. I think neutral good is fairly. Can't a good could could be considered some of the best Just because chaotic good. You're like I'm going to do good. It doesn't matter that this is illegal. What I'm doing I know that at the the government is good Robin Hood robbed from the government to give to this expert or John Brown and they and you know what they did The propaganda where they say robin had stole from the rest to give the poor that is communist propaganda He he was stealing the the the government coffers from the government coffers from the sheriff to give back to the people The government had stolen the money from like from overtaxing or something The sheriff was going around demanding Texas repeat. Yeah, that's right So robin Hood would loot the cards and give the money back that is not stealing from the rich to give to the poor That's communist propaganda not again hills The man robin Hood was stealing from the government the problem with chaos and why I tend towards neutrality with the law is because People that are chaotic truly they really will say like the law doesn't suit me right now therefore like Like John Brown, you know, the guy the slave rebellion guy He felt so many people. Yeah, and he thought of himself as a good guy. Yeah, he was too many. Yeah, so did Hitler and he was chaotic He was but he was he was definitely not good. I don't know if Hitler thought he was a good guy But Stalin I think no hit no Hitler thought he wouldn't and Lenin and Marks thought they were good guys Yeah, Hitler thought that he was a good and I'm sure I bet he's probably yeah But like John Brown only history can say like after the fact was he a good guy? I mean he killed people killed a lot of people You know sons died because of him to free the slaves though, so it's like is it like a robin Hood style thing? Yeah, but he I mean he was he was against slavery But he didn't kill people to free slaves. He wasn't going and freeing slaves He was killing people because there was slavery. He wasn't like black guy first One of his first kills was a black. Is it I think yeah, I think so too. So so like he was he was Historically you I don't I'm not super familiar with his story But he seemed like he was kind of a crazy person. So chaotic. I agree with I wouldn't say that he was a good maybe chaotic neutral See, I'm not like John Brown. I'm not like that. I value the law I work on this show on purpose to help the legal system. I want to improve it. I care a lot about the law Yeah, but you all you're always bringing up how somehow the law can do bad thing. That's why I'm neutral That's will know. That's why you're not lawful correct. I'm neutral. Okay. There's lawful neutral and chaotic I'm not chaotic. I'm not lawful. You're absolutely chaotic. I John Brown is chaotic. I'm not willing to throw it What do you think Ben Franklin was chaotic then maybe it was maybe true neutral Hmm, babies. It's more likely that than chaotic maybe I don't know but like maybe maybe maybe But the the there's so many times where you said the law is bad or the law can do bad and etc etc And that makes me think that you're you're generally saying that the win the law is bad ignore the law There was that one time where we got here early and the lights were off and Ian was wearing a black cloak with a pentagram on the ground He was trying to summon the dead. It wasn't a fool. It was mostly pentagram. But yeah, yeah, it wasn't there wasn't the fifth It didn't work final answer didn't I know what about you Kale? I noticed uh two sixes and a nine on your head So I think just looking at it upside down. It was you right up cork up. Very devil. So where are you on this alignment scale? I always think that's why I said Tim if lawful good was it because I always like uh, I always like to do good Well, I would never do that. All of the goods are good and have their arguments the neutrals like the evil is bad That's just it. Yeah, neutral is kind of fine and good is fine. A lawful good is fine. Kato if it's two in the morning And you're sitting at a red light and there's no other cars not in LA because there's always cars But if you're in the middle say you're in Wisconsin right no cars around and it's a red light And I go through you you go through not lawful. Yeah, you're not lawful. Yeah, so neutral neutral good neutral good that for sure The the red light test is a good to find out if someone is actually law. Now here's here's the important question. I sit there Do you return the shopping cart to the cart corral 100% okay, and I can't say people that don't. Yeah, I do it I always paid my motto is paid forward. I always I uh I went shopping with Libby and after words. She took the cart and she just ran it off and threw it into the street When she took the cart out of the return and You can shop with 9.50 in LA in your rest. So okay, Libby. What's your alignment? My alignment? I don't know How would you see yourself got a evil maybe I don't think I'm chaotic I'm kidding. I don't know the thing is like I know you blah red lights What not went it's two in the morning. No one's around. It's a red light. I'm gonna go through it No, but I've also only had my license for five years and you both like you were you were less lawful when you were younger as well Oh for sure. Yeah, but I mean Nothing I've ever got arrested for. Well, that doesn't matter. You know, we've got caught regarding this scale I think I've got caught for shit a lot of times people in power forced to make a decision of using chaos to produce good And using evil to produce law in order and like Trump with all the crackdowns It's like people are like it's evil, but it's producing lawful not none of it's evil Well, some people see it as evil because it's violent and regressive and then sometimes people will do chaotic things like break Break up a wall or go after a CEO because they think it's the right it will produce more good in society and there's a balancing act between the two Because a lot of times it's it is about perspective It's about history writes the the tales of who was the good guy and who was the bad guy in the story and it's usually the winner that gets to be the good guy And it meant I constantly think when I talk about see chaos on the streets I'm like at what point is this chaos valuable like because We if the system is too orderly and it's very evil We need to break it up. It's Kate like chaos Is never valuable. I don't think or is It's it's exceedingly rare for chaos to be valuable You have a Jew I think the Jews in the ancient text didn't even have good evil It was only order in chaos is any very organic red or seen one flu over the kukus nest. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Okay Kate a good is Jack Nicholson taking care of patients doing The opposite of the dominant nurse ratchet. Yeah, it's the evil emperor the Whatever she easy laws. It wasn't good in jack. So that's a great example of chaotic good and always you know looking out for someone that doesn't Let's uh, let's talk about this story. Oh, this one burned me up Virginia mom gets six months suspended jail sentence for letting her five-year-old walk to the pond You heard it. They're in a gated community They she has a five-year-old. He walked on the sidewalk There's a pond which you'd have to cross a street and like 10 feet of grass to get to Someone saw him by himself walking. What is it like a half mile not even not even What's the distance they said? It's like a few blocks or whatever They someone saw him stopped him escorted him back y'all that are called the cops She got arrested criminally charged and she got a six month six months suspended sentence. I just want to stress When I was was seven, you know, I was, when I was six, I was not allowed to cross the street, but I was allowed to go around the block and go to my friend's house on the other block. When I was seven, I was riding my bike miles from home. - Yeah. - There's a bag. - And my parents were like, when the street lights come on, you know, you have to be back before the street lights are on. - Right. - And so I remember when I was like, I think I was probably 12. My, like, I think the rule was, for every minute you're late, you're grounded one day. - Oh, nice. - And so I'd be at the card shop, collect the card in comics with my friends, and I'd have rollerbladed there. And then I'd just be playing Pokemon 'til the very last minute looking at the clock. And I'm like, I can make it back in five minutes if I go as fast as I can, you know. - That's, I, funsville. - And there was, I'm like, I. - There was always the trick to where, like, if you were late, you would get home and then just go in the backyard and take the blades and socks and shoes off and then sit on the back porch. And then if I was like, no, I was, it was just in the backyard. - It all depends on the area too. Growing up, if you were in a safe area, yeah, we trusted-- - It was safe. - We had all the neighbors trusted, like I said, a large family. So that, we always did this kind of stuff. - The reason why, I don't wanna talk about flock cameras, but this is why I despise government surveillance. - This is why no flock cameras. - I know, because if you see a little kid exploring the world at his parent, I don't know, man. - I need kids. - It makes a difference, too. - I had it. - I had it. - Being by water sources there. - It wasn't a flock camera. It was a caron. - Sounds like a car. - The rule that we had was, it was just me. I just set the table by six. And if I didn't set the table by six, then I didn't get any dinner. - Roodle. - It was actually brutal. I had food in my closet. (laughing) - Oh, nice. - Yeah. - This kind of stuff, I mean, this kind of stuff is, it's really, really, really bad for society, right? Like being like, yeah, that you can't let your kids go out and explore a half mile from your house. The idea that your neighbors will, you know, yell at you for doing something that they wouldn't do for their children behind that, too, with pasta with the neighbor. Call the cops, you know, calling child protective services or whatever, because you choose to parent a different way than they approve of. And, you know, to Tim's point, like, I'm, you know, I'm an old guy and when I was a kid, it was a very similar thing, you know, be back by time streetlights are on or you're in trouble. We live in a much safer world today than we did 50 years ago or 40 years ago when I was hauling ass around on a bike. - We had a bell. - Well, a bell, a bell rang, we heard it in the neighborhood. - Yeah, you know, inner. So, and this, this kind of stuff, it degrades trust in your neighbors. It degrades trust in society overall. - It degrades trust in us. - It degrades trust for everyone. - It degrades trust in institutions because you're like, oh, cool. The state's just gonna step in and give me a criminal charge because I'm parenting my kid in a way that actually helps. - I always said, there was a guy, I'm sorry. - That actually helps my kid grow and mature. Kids need to be alone. They need to have, they need to solve problems on their own. That kind of, that's part of it. - Here's the crazy thing. Why wasn't the dead charged? They were both home at the same time. She said she went to the father and she was like, can you believe this? She says that, she needs to take risks so he can grow up to be non-anxious. - Yeah. - That's a really smart thing to say. Kids do need to take risks. - Absolutely do. That's 100% true. That's part of the reason why, you know, nowadays, you hear stories about kids going to interviews with their parents, when their parents. - I would never hire a kid that would-- - Wait, what? - That happens. - This is why, like, you don't live in these communities or with HOAs or whatever it may be. You think you're safe, but you are not. It's, if you move into a bad area, you're in a bad area. And you think you're moving into a gated community or an HOA because they're gonna have special protections or rules, and then this happens. A neighbor says, I don't like the way your kid walks to the store by himself, you're under arrest. - Do you have something to do with the kid being near a water source? - He wasn't near the water source. - He didn't get to it. - No. - 'Cause he was going there up there. - It's falling into the water can be a really, really bad thing. You gotta be careful. - Indeed. - Run open water. - They bring up three-range kids, which is a great, so, oh, she got a-- - Lenorks, Skinesi. - Yeah, an ex. - Lenorks, Skinesi, yeah. - An ex-page. - And it's, the point of it is like, let your kids get time alone, let them solve problems on their own. They're probably more mature than you realize. They probably can solve problems better. And if they get in trouble, they learn. Right, obviously there's the possibility of something bad happening, but that's part of our existence. - Is there? - You can't totally escape that. And this whole, like, snowplough parenting where you just make everything as safe as you possibly can. Like, kids don't mature when that happens. - Is there like a legal definition of when you're legally allowed to let a kid be alone by it? - No. - I mean, some places do have laws about that. Like, you're not allowed to let your kid be alone in your house, and if they're, you know, a certain age, there are places where the police will get called in for stuff like that. You know, but I really think that it depends on the kid and the parent, and you know your kid well enough to know. You know, like I always thought kind of like at 10, I'd let the kids stay home for like an hour. You know, by 12, I'd let them stay home for maybe like two hours on his own, you know? And like just, but that's if you trust your kid. If I'm running out to the market, do you have to come? If you're sitting there doing your homework or whatever, like do you really have to like get dragged to the market if you don't want to? I don't think so. - I was 10 years old. My parents made a big mistake. I was 10 years old, and they put a pocket knife, a Swiss Army knife in my stocking, and they're like, oh, you know, you can get your stockings before we get up. You couldn't open any presents, but you could go get the stocking. So like three in the morning, I woke up, or whatever, and I go and I grab my stocking, and there's a pocket knife in there. For some reason, I'm trying to open a thing of caps, which if I, if I'd use the caps like cap guns, if I'd use the caps, it would have woken everybody up or at least woke my sister up, and I got in trouble. For some reason, I was trying to open them, and I'd have cut in my hand. And so I'm in the hospital getting stitches, like seven stitches across my fingers. They were like, well, that was a bad idea. Stupid at trust. - We're on with a knife. - Well, brothers, that's my parents, that my dad switched with my knee. We all got knives, Swiss Army knives in our stocking. Christmas, and the big part we love was the toothpick. - Yep, yep, yep. - And they'll try them in the tooth. - My sister was stuck there for like six hours waiting for us, because she couldn't open any presents. She's in there looking at the Christmas tree, waiting for us to get back 12, 13 years old. - I'm a new torture. - She was pissed. (laughing) Opening the box and it's like, oh my god, I got another air guitar. (laughing) I'm awesome. - Yeah, but I mean, yeah, this whole, like the free range kids thing is good, you have to be able to let your kids go out and you know, explore the world and learn on their own. And you know, I was fortunate that I grew up, and there was like woods around where we could go and play in the woods and stuff. But the idea that, oh, you can't go and do anything because the government's watching you, big brother's watching you, your neighbors are gonna call the cops. That's bad for society. - Yeah. - At the change in name, the free range kid, though, it sounds too much like. - You know, we're being domesticated. The more I watch, a lot of like, these Democrat, affluent, white female, liberal women, it's just humans are being domesticated the way dogs are domesticated. Dogs, I was thinking about this because I'm like, most dogs don't have babies. Most dogs are kept in the house away from each other, controlled, told what to do when to do it, and they're happy. They own nothing and they're happy. Wolves don't a lot. They don't territory. They keep predators out. That whole swath of land is theirs. And so I'm just looking at what's happening with a lot of people and their permanent adolescence, the way a dog is to a wolf. They're working towards owning nothing. They want to own nothing. They don't want to have kids. They want to be effectively like a pet. - Yeah, if they think that the extent of their frustration is finding money, they're pretty much domesticated like a neutered dog, 'cause like combat is a horrifying part of reality that they don't even seem to have. - They don't, it not just combat, but like not wanting to challenge themselves at any level. - This is, so I said it's parenting. - Everything's parenting. I mean, I'm sure a parent that has the kid that's gonna be, you know, introverted the entire life is not gonna be like a dad who was a Navy SEAL. I'm married to some because he's gonna have a tougher kid. So it's all parenting with anything. And anything in crime, it's all education. If you're not educated, you're gonna commit crime. If you didn't, if it's, I mean, most of the people committing crimes are not really educated. - I don't think it's education that's the issue. - I think it's culture. - I think it, well, culture, but culture makes you drop out of school too. Culture makes you. - Yes, and no, the issue is, so here's a good example. College dropout billionaires tend to have three times the money of college graduate billionaires or PhD billionaires. The issue is that because there's a correlation between criminal culture and lack of education, the presumption most people make is because they're not educated, they commit crimes, which is, I think when you look deeper than numbers, it's just actually not true. Because you can see that there are many people who don't adopt the culture of those areas move out and are fine. There are tons of people that are uneducated that don't go on to commit crimes. And there are people who grew up in areas, like working class areas, white working class areas, don't have the same level of crime. And the culture is different. So for example, this is my experience in Chicago. You've got two deeply impoverished areas. In one, the culture is be hard and have guns and shoot. and kill people. And the other is do drugs. Well, both of them don't go to school. And the kids who grow up in this one area start doing a bunch of drugs and die. The kids who grow up in this area start buying guns and shooting people because they're surrounded by people who do. - Okay, but do you think that if you're educated, you value human life more? - No. - You don't think so? - I think the opposite is true. I think people who are educated tend to value human life less. - Well, I think when you take a look and shoot someone, the example of the guy with 15 year old kid shooting the woman going to convenience store. - Or this is a cultural issue. And I'll give you an example. How many college educated, what is the percentage of college educated individuals who skew to the far left? Of the far left, what is their view on mass genocide from the communist countries? They have substantially less, I suppose, love for human life. - Are you talking about education or are you talking about? - Yeah, the super pro abortion. - Yeah, well, I think you have to be intelligent. - I just think when someone does have a value of human life, there's something on that went at home. - That's on education. It's culture. - Yeah, I could see that as being culture, but I think also, it's a fine line because I think what yours also saying is the college, certain colleges now. - Well, the professors will, you see people falling more to the left because. - And they support what China did, they celebrate it. - It's like guidance. - But let me put it this way. I guarantee you, you take a gang banger from Chicago and put him in Harvard, he ain't changing. He's killing people. - I think the criminal mind is less likely to be able to be able to be able to do that. - No, I agree with that. - Like a child that-- - Education is not gonna change that kid. - Like if the kid from the young age doesn't know it right and wrong, he's gonna be less able to educate himself 'cause he's not gonna think the schooling system has much value. He's not gonna realize the value of learning as well because his parents didn't, and so he emulates that. So there's a correlation between lack of education and crime, but I think it's the people with the criminal mindset just aren't able to learn as well. Maybe, I mean, it's a weird way to think that you have to violate society to get ahead. That's not common, it's not normal. You're supposed to be able to build society up to get ahead. And people will lift you up as you do it. But if you don't know that as a kid, because a lack of cultural education perhaps, which then the word education is a little semantic, but like learning from your community, if they didn't teach you, if they just kinda left you off into the woods to go do your thing. - Yeah, I think if you have your family-- - Personers in people in prison, I wonder if, I think, you know, I think that's why there's different groups in prison from blacks to a white, to a, you know, getting into a gang and you're in a prison too, because I don't think they value any life. That's why they're in prison. That's why they'll even kill in prison. So I don't know if that's, you know, a lot of people that in prison want to get educated. They want to read, they want to, I think they want to go to a library. So it's a real fine line of the culture and education. I don't, you know, if-- - We'll put it like this. Like institutionalized education is, I think what a lot of people would presume when you say education. I would just say that education in its raw definition, for a lot of these kids in these areas, if they learned about the world and philosophies, then they would not be engaging the things that they're doing. If they knew what the light is at the end of the tunnel. However, that being said, you have to ask yourself, what is the motivator of a young man in one of these areas? And it's recognition among their peers. Well, in the South Side of Chicago, how do you get recognition? You ain't getting it by going to school. And even if you get a good job and make money, you're not getting recognition for that. You're getting mocked for it. No, to get recognition down there, you walk around with the GAT. You walk around with a switch. So you take that kid out and you say, we're sending you to Harvard. You're getting a free education. He's gonna be like, but none of my friends are praising me. They're mocking me. I mean, made fun of now. And they're gonna go back and they're gonna say, I don't want that. Yeah, it's hard to, you know, if a person really wants to, I think why so many people in prison say they found Jesus because they're in prison. They're gonna, I mean, that's an easy out also. Do they really find Jesus? So if they're let out, they're gonna. Actually, I think if you can bring, if you brought Christianity to a lot of these neighborhoods, like actual Christianity, then that would probably stop a lot of the killing, for sure. You know, notice lately is that some people that get, hit with a hard hammer of the law, it's a wake up call for them and they realize what they've done, and they don't want to do it again. And then they decide to educate themselves and get out of it. It's not, I don't know how often it is, I don't know where the numbers are. Some people just don't care. They just, it's just part of the game. For some. - Residivism is really, really high. So there are some, but most people that go to jail, go on to commit more crimes afterwards. It's not a, that's why. - Not really a rehab facility. - What? Jail isn't really rehabbed. - That's why I say, you know, that's why I said, like, you know, the point of putting people in jail isn't so much to punish the people as it is to take them out of society because they're a danger to society. - This is one goes out to all the parents that are letting their kids go outside to play. - Another reason why these flock cameras are ridiculous is that, people have been saying that they just relicense place, but flock has multiple types of cameras. They have the falcon, which does read only license place, it does a still photography. Then they have the condor, which is a video camera. And those are implemented around the United States and they are taking video of you and your car as you drive by. They have AI systems that can check out what you're wearing and cross that with other databases. They can find out who you're related to just by seeing you drive. It's very rare. - Actually, I'm pro flock camera now. - Really? I finally sold you on it. - No, no, no, it's that after seeing the insipid arguments that made no sense about the first amendment, I realized that there was a lot of money to be made by promoting it. And so, reached out to one of these guys and said, "Hey, just pay me double and I'll do way better propaganda." - Is it true that flock's doing a propaganda campaign right now, paying people to talk about it? - So I'll just say this, the Tim Kess team had someone reach out to them saying that they had been offered money to promote flock and they turned it down. And there's also a lot of reporting that people are being paid to attack flock. And the presumption is the first was competitors of flock were paying people to complain about it. I don't know if that's true. I've seen the message where someone said that they were offered money, they turned it down. But I will say that we talked about Cam Higmy the other day. I do not believe for a second that is fake reframing, childish reframing of an argument, which is like, guys, when you go to college and you're looking up marketing, the first page you read is like reframing. So when you try to use a reframing technique, just stop, bro, just literally stop. When we say the issue with flock cameras is the database of mass surveillance, tracking you all the time, not filming in public. And then you respond with, but the first amendment says again, film in public, okay, now you're lying because we're not talking about that. The subject has already changed. Why are you going back? You are, so it's like someone's constantly trying to pull you back and that's what Cam was doing and what many of these people are doing. Trying to create a first amendment argument like, but we need to be able to film in public for journalism. No one's complaining, no one said ban all of the red light cameras, even though we don't like them. There are a lot of things we've said, we know there are cameras everywhere. The issue is that these are AI scanning license plates to create a real time tracking for you and everyone else where they are and what they're doing. So to then try and drag the conversation, constantly back to somewhere that no one cares about, you're doing that on purpose and for some weird reason. No, I can't imagine you do that on accident and I can't imagine you do it for nothing. So, maybe Will Chamberlain will come back on again soon because he's been very proactive about implementing clock and I'm not sure why I want to talk to him face-to-face about it because he said they were just license plate readers or intimated that they were licensed still photography only. I don't think he understood the Condor camera. I don't think he knew it existed. I responded to Will on Twitter, welcome to respond to me and let me know if you knew that was a real thing before today. Also, the CFO of flock might come on. He's been doing rounds on shows. So I'd love to have you on and to defend your position if you think there's actual value to setting up a centralized database of people's actions and behaviors and locations right now, especially with the way that people were locked up, I can convince you when you get here in England. I'm saying during the COVID pandemic, if that's what you want to call it, where people would get arrested for setting foot outside their house or detained their own house, their own neighborhood out into the bright light where the vitamin D was healing them, it's crazy. It's just so damn, it's so obvious that they get you to want it. And they've been saying it for a decade. The way that the technology is they scare you and then they try and sell you a product that you're begging for for protection, for safety, and then they turn it on you. So this is the step where they're trying to sell you the product. You got to know that ahead of time, shut it down. Yeah, I mean, I'm not pro-flot camera at all. The AI behind them is the actual big problem, the constant monitoring. There's plenty of cameras everywhere, as it is, but having cameras on the side of the road everywhere and monitoring where people are driving to. And what it's becoming to do now, it's too much. The problem is then it becomes police body cams, which I generally like if that's feeding data to an AI database, it's doing all the same back end tracking. If there's satellites that are watching you, that are giving you the same AI, it's really about the AI tracking that is in the centralized database. It's owned by more people. I don't have a problem with police body cams. They typically only turn them on when they arrive at a scene, too, at least the audio, from what I noticed. The body cams were interesting, too, because during the BLM era, you had left us demanding more body cams, and now there's more body cams, and it shows a distinct lack of police brutality. Yeah. That's why I like them. Yeah. And they used to think all so-- But I think body cams are different. like once you're once you're in a situation where you're interacting with law enforcement I think it sort of protects everybody involved to have the bodycaps. I don't think it's super protective for everyone involved to be tracked everywhere they go. It's funny when the metro cards replaced tokens in New York City in what was it like like a 90s 97 I think was really when they like started they were like replaced and I remember thinking like oh now we have a metro card I'm going to buy it and then it's going to track me all around the city. I'd rather have a pocket full of tokens and I would still rather have a pocket full of tokens. Yeah really yeah using my credit card when I travel around I know they're I mean yeah and the thing is yes they get you because it's way more convenient to have a metro card than a pocket full of tokens and I have the easy pass and whatever and like I'm definitely being tracked all over the place but I'd rather not have that option. I'd rather not have the option you know I went hard on on body cams with soldiers in like 2007 when I was young and naive and I used to talk a lot about I want a camera on every soldier so every child they kill you get to watch everybody gets to see it and that will end war because when you realize what they're really doing you're going to want it to stop you know I don't know so much no well first of all I won't end war like they're not going to be like oh well we can't you know engage in military action because there have been you know people that broke international law or committed war crimes. What about having like should be on my good side. Yeah right. You know what I meant but you know yeah you can use the Juno filter. Totally totally unrelated we're going to go to the chat in a second but have you guys heard about that game which is like I don't think it's like a fortnight but it's a dollar per entry and the winner takes the pot. I heard about it. I don't know much about it but it's like a new video game where it's I think it's like fortnight it's like a battle royale shooter but it's a dollar to enter a game and then the winner takes all the money. That's pretty cool. And that's not gambling. How many can play? I don't know but it's a brilliant idea to insanely good idea. It's like a sports tournament. Right. It's it's low stakes e-sports. It's not gambling. It's 100% skill based. Interesting. 100% skill based. If you can guarantee there's no one's using like a map hack or anything that's legit. And if and if the if like if the guns are all static everyone uses the same guns. If they allow for random drops then it becomes a little bit more gambling. I think if they allow random gun drops like it was fortnight ask then they're it's pure gambling and pre what are they called randomly generated maps so no one knows the map. What about games like chess and checkers and like monopoly me and a friend had this idea to make like a gambling. It was going to be called game stakes city. That's not gambling. No. Those are skill games. We're going to do that like 15 years ago. We just couldn't figure out how to make it. We should build that. Yeah. Literally. It's like chess checkers backgammon and it's a dollar per play and the winner takes two dollars. I would do that. That's like the one game I've heard you guys talk about where it'd be like yeah. It's just online tournaments. It's not gambling. It's all skill games. But you're going to play the whole night to win two dollars or can you win more. Well, you could put in a bunch of money. It depends because I it you know if you're playing chess. It's also just fun. You could stake each other. I think it's fine to say custom stakes. It's it's it's skill based not gambling. If you want to play a tournament like if you entered a chess tournament paid a hundred bucks to play to win 100 to win a prize. Same thing. So it's just online single stakes. You know what it is? It's it's it's it's sit and go esports. Yeah. I could see a kid who like gets his allowance money is for a dollar for the week and he spends it and he loses in six seconds. Any cries. Any cries. Any cry. He remembers it for the rest of his life. And then the other guy said they're like, I'm farming noobs. He just keeps winning. Well, no, it's just you choose what you want to do. Man, it's up to you if you're bigger pots than that too. Well, I'd be 18 to play. Yeah, maybe you could make it if if Ian wanted to play a thousand dollar game of chess. That's his choice. And that means he's likely to go up against some guy who's like a master grand master because ain't nobody risking that money. I don't know how to play. Also the server preventing cheating would be a challenge. Yeah, I'm games like chess. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Madness and poker problem. And also if the company is taking a cut of the gambling or of the of the money, we had planted out was like you would put in money to get tokens. And then we would take like 3% when you cashed out. As long as the games are skill games that are legally determined to be skill games. Yeah, interesting. Meaning no chance. It's like chess. Right. No random challenge though is people are going to sit there playing chess on their phone having a cheating app. Yeah, man, it's tough. Yep, when real money comes into gaming online. Yep, but you'll also have like sports teams will build up around it. People will fund the they'll be like we're we're betting 10,000 a night for our six guys. And if any one of you win, we're all splitting the I guess you couldn't really do any dice games unless you're chaotic good. And yeah, then all bets are all the rules are off. And if you're a chaotic how chaotic are you? I'd give my winnings to someone that needed it more than me. When you sat, when you were at the, oh, that's nice of you. When you're at that OJ trial where you're just like, I love the law or you're like, I can't believe I'm here or or some other. I became friends with the detectives through the process of being interviewed so many times. So I think they work their butts off to make things better. And I think no way that they were anything was planted. I'm sorry, there's just no possible because that's a theory that's been going around theory. That theory then. Yeah. Having gone through what your version of it, did it make you more or less lawful? Yeah, I've always kind of been in straight and narrow. So it didn't make me any different. Just I respected what they did. And whatever they needed for being questioned all that. So it was just many, many hours down. You know, the first day I was down there at police station at least for eight hours of them because they didn't know who I was. Rough. And you were there basically at the dawn of the Kardashians. Well, I lived a great and green the Kardashians. I met the Kardashians there, many, many. Yeah. Yeah. I mentioned before in the other show that I knew Kim when she was only that big and that was just her ass. I didn't say that. So cute. Yeah. I said, yeah, like, do you haul ass? She has to make two trips. Okay. We did that for the show. We did that for Tim Kast. Jim did that. All right. We're going to go to your rumble rants and super chats to smash the like button. Share the show with everyone you've ever met. The uncensored portion is coming up at 10 p.m. You don't want to miss it in the meantime. What do y'all have to say? It just disturbs us. You can't claim insanity unless you admit to the act. Maybe the men on the Clancy jury should keep mentioning how they think she, how hot they think she is in order to reverse psychology, the female jurors into hating her. I also wanted to read what Lisa wrote. She doesn't lie. She said if she's found guilty, not guilty by reason of insanity, she has to go to a facility for six months after which they'll determine whether or not she can go free. That is so stupid. Yep. That's impossible. Sorry. Phalanx says people are saying this case is the OJ case of our generation proves these people know she is guilty but want her to be innocent because they feel guilty over something. Yeah, there was a crazy thing during the OJ case. All the kids in my dorm were watching it because it was like the fall of 95 and it was like all the black kids in my dorm were so excited when OJ was found not guilty and all the white kids were like why are you glad him killer got off like you know like why are you glad about that? The way that it turned into a race thing was so creepy and weird split screen kind of like and like that's kind of now it's like the agenda thing. Yeah, it's weird. They split the screen mixed views. Johnny Cochran, right guy? Johnny Cochran. It was like a circus orchestrator. He was really because he knew what to talk to a jury. It was the jury was on his side and that's what he he spoke in poetry the you know if the club don't fit you must acquit and he he spoke because if it rhymes it must be true. Yeah, he did. That didn't rhyme. No, but if it rhymes it must be true. No, exactly. But the whole thing was smart that he did it that way. If the words flow you got to let them go. There you go. You could have been a lawyer, Tim. Good have been. Yep, just say third grade reading level rhymes and when ever done is PN. I love that scene and have you guys ever watched Better Call Saul? Yes. Where his client has accused of ramen liquor store, whatever and he's like can you point to the person and you know who committed the crime is like it's him right there's like and you're sure it's like that's right. Would it be some would you be surprised if I told you that's actually not the defendant. The defendant's actually sitting in the back and then the actual defendant stands up and he's like and actually this guy's got a great alibi. So that was funny. That is funny. All right. Keek says that I say that. I don't know. Charlotte North Carolina has to be one of the worst places for releasing repeat offenders. The 16 year old reactable for 250 charges and under a year. Met Van Swole has been great about calling it out so often. Yeah, it has been good. That I kept. That's a good account. 250 charges in a year. Follow Matt. Joey Giggle says what if this Lindsay Clancy case is another side up to create more division between men and women 10 foil hat time. That's what I'm saying. Like who makes a flyer that says like like justice for the kids and Lindsay. Look what crazy people. Maybe maybe the the deep states like you know this Israel stuff's got a little too far. Can we make them talk about something else? Yeah, where's all the antifa chicks outside the courthouse they should get there with Greta Thunberg. You know, tech Bruce says like justice without letting out Lizzy Clancy. In fashion time when I was in grade school, only the cool kids were ever in possession of the library's copy of where the wild things are. It took me years to get hold of it so I stole it. Good job. Stealing library books. I've done that. You know what I'll be a great thing to do is to go down to the corridors and actually interview these women that think she's innocent. People have been doing that. I'd like to hear it. Just what's the reasoning? I just want to know some of them show up with their kids. Imagine being that kid and you're like, can I go to grandma's? Dad help. All right. C.E. Gansberg says, how did you book Kato Kaelin to appear during the most heinous instance of jury nullification since? Oh, you know, who are you a wizard? I was saying it's perfect timing for you to be here. Yeah, I'm glad to be here. I'll follow that person now. C.E. Gansberg on rumble. There you go. All right. Jordan, Joe Dex says I'm a 27-year-old PNW. Oh, in PNW. With third kid on the way, single-income wife of nine years is stay at home. All right. For you. Mason says Ian, "Catic neutral has done illegal drugs," which is a neutral act of chaos, "would be evil of given power. Libby, "Catic evil defends women voting just because despite the evident evil of it." Actually, yeah, Ian's done illegal drugs. You're not lawful. You're certainly not lawful. Not lawful. I think I'm more neutral. Maybe a little lawful. I'm more lawful than lawful. I'm more lawful than chaotic, I think. I tend more because I know the danger of chaos is unpronounced. You can't even begin. I was just thinking about people eating children and raping. The amount of cannibalism and child rape that happened in chaotic societies. It was for good and evil. It was only ordering chaos. You're changing the context of good and evil and changing the meaning. At least for the purposes of this discussion, we're talking about alignments in D&D. When you change it to like, oh, back in the day before D&D, chaos and law were the only thing it was as opposed to good and evil. Like at the context, the context matters. Well, I think chaos is worse than evil. Chaos is the most dangerous thing we could ever experience. It's where your neighbor will try and eat you. It's crazy. But chaos in the context of D&D, chaos does not equate to evil. It means your outlook on the law, whether the law is right or wrong. So for the context, saying you're chaotic does not mean that you're bad. That's why they have chaotic good. Chaos is your outlook on the law. So when we say you're chaotic neutral, that's saying that sometimes you'll do good or bad things, but the chaotic part is you don't really concern yourself with the law. Yeah, that would be chaotic neutral. Yeah, they kind of work outside the law or they use the law if it suits them only really. Well, chaotic people tend to. Indeed, let's grab some more. Let's see. N-Cari says the average IQ of the prison population is way lower than the average. That is correct. Yeah, what is it like if we permanently jailed for life, like 3% of criminals, there'd be no crime? Yep. What was that? Let's do it. I don't know. It's most crime is committed by the same people. Oh, yeah, that's the thing. It's like the same people over and over again. There's the people that are responsible, the individuals, or it's just that's a percentage of society that will always do crime. There's always a percentage of society that does crime, but it's strongly correlated with lower IQs. Like the Jordan Peterson made a point. If you have an 85 or lower IQ, you can't get in the military because there's nothing that you can functionally do in the military. There's nothing that you won't just make worse. And there's like a sweet spot for IQ where like, and when I say sweet spot, it's not a good thing, but the vast majority of crime is committed by people with like an 85 or 90 IQ or something like an 85 IQ. Just smart enough to know they want something exactly, but they're not. Then you have like the unibomber. Yeah, well, he committed crimes because he was way too smart. Yeah, he's probably like I don't crazy smart, but the but the thing is like if you didn't have people that were at that sweet spot, if you just put them all in jail, crime drops to almost nothing. My dad said, if my IQ hit 60 cell. I'm trying. I'm trying. You're backing me up. I love it. But it's true. Like the, you know, IQ was large, strongly correlated with criminality. I wonder if it's like, because poverty is a lot of its just perception to whatever relative wealth of life. We're all rich right now, even the people living on the street are like in a richer place than people 500 years ago. There have been, you know, there have been plenty of societies that were dirt poor that didn't have a large criminal element. I have an idea. Tomorrow on the show, we should set a super chat goal. And if we raise $20,000, we give it to Ian and he shapes his head. I won't be here tomorrow. So I'll be able to, you see my head. How would you do it? Would you do it? Would you do it? Yeah, I would. 50 grand. Thank you. Do it. I don't. 50,000 dollars. 50K right now. I wouldn't suggest you. I don't need the 50 grand. It's just money, dude. Yeah. I'll show you an electric magnetism. How much would you do? I'll do it on the show. If you give me 10 million, I feel like a salad. I don't want it. I don't, I don't just want to keep my hair right now. Okay, wait, wait, hold on. How much to make you wear a suit and put your hair up? I do that for free. Just supply the suit. I'm in. All right. So we got to raise money to buy you a suit. How much of those costs? We'll let's super chat. If we can get 10K and super chats tomorrow night, what's the reason? Well, 20K, you said. To wear a suit. That's a ridiculous suit. You name the number. Whatever you say. No, no, no, like what? How would I play the monkey? I'll be the goose. It should be something you don't want to do, though. Get it free at the salvation or money. But is that how much is like a men's warehouse? How suit costs a couple hundred bucks? A couple hundred bucks. I think so. All right. We'll do a, we'll do a, we'll do a goal to get you in a suit. Good suit. I mean, like it should be like a real like, our money, my hair. I'll split it. The proper suit. You just spoke suit. Maybe. However you want to speak. Sure. Send them to Tyler. Yeah, but look at the hair. Taylor. What? How about a full makeover? Yeah, I'm makeover. Like a full, you know, Ian makeover. We got like one of those gay guys from the TV should have like fixed you up. Oh, Jonathan Van Ness. You got a document. That would be amazing. And no, you got to cut your hair. No, no, no, you have to. I don't want to. Well, then they're going to, they're going to have to like do like, it'd be a little trim. You could like, no, but they're going to get rid of the split ends. They're going to straighten it and they're going to style it. Ian, you remember you said that you were like interested in meeting women. Cut your hair. It's a, it's a good, it's because there's not a lot of, there's not a lot of women that will. Oh, are you seeing something? Okay, I imagine we like get a makeover this year that she's like, she can't stand stand it. She's like, oh, I took her to my mom's place. My parents tell us that my mom was like, cut your hair. She says it to me whenever she sees me. But the your mom does. Yeah, she wants me to cut my hair. I'm like, that's what mom said. She's saying that to me. Something I'm like, you don't know what's hot. You know, my mom, my girlfriend loves me. Yeah, you look like like, you look like every member of Blind Mellon. Yeah, you you have your goal is not hot. No, my goal is smart. I want to learn how to tell people the story of from gluons and quarks all the way up to proteins and how, how reality, did you know that from orcs to proxies to our physics just proved, has proven that the human mind can process faster with shorter hair. I don't believe it. Look at me and Phil, we're real smart. Give me a while to figure out if you were telling the truth though. Hold on a second. Let me give that off. Let's grab a couple more of these chats. Can I play with your wow cube? Yeah. I've been staring at it the whole time. Do you not use it? Not really. You shake it to go to the menu and you you smack the side twice to pick stuff to like to select. All right, Rocky says if Lindsey, if the is the Lindsey Clancy trial more evidence that feminism has failed and with the consequence of its failure result in innocent women getting possibly hurt in the future. No, it's evidence that it succeeded. Yeah. She's she's probably going to get off and it's a nine women jury. It's not evidence that it failed. It's evidence that it succeeded. It might be evidence that it's detrimental to society, but it's definitely succeeded. It is not failed. The nine women are all them mothers. I don't know. We don't know anything about the jury. Oh, it's right. Of course. They have a photograph the jury or anything. Oh, okay. All three men and nine, nine, 12, three men, three men, and nine women. I mean, I think that's a that's a family. I don't know what do you call it? Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Why would you let you know, but on the other hand, if you're the prosecution, you'd be like, no, mother would would let a woman walk free for killing her children. That's true. And they didn't realize that if you're if they're all psychotic, if you're amazing, probably taking SSRIs. I wonder I really would be interested interested to find out like what the actual voting was. Is it like two holds out old doubts or is like all nine of them are just like, no, she didn't do it. Yeah. I mean, the men are trying to convince the women like, no, this isn't right. That's my opinion. I think that's men are going, no, she murdered love to know. Yeah, we'll never. Well, maybe someone will have a book. Yeah, it's not over yet. They might come back with a guilty verdict for all we know. No, but fortunately, a hunter is not the same as I was worried they're going to come back with a not guilty, just to spite the judge for making them go back in there. Oh, no, the three dudes are like hell, no, three. All right. No, we're going to go to the uncensored portion of the show. So smash that like button, share the show. 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