Speaker 1Welcome to the Dr. Obedovinga Day Podcast. Dr. Obed is a thought leader and apologist who speaks to life's great existential questions of origin, purpose, faith, and destiny with fluency and grace. He is an author and the president of the Christ Cosmopolitan Incorporated, a vibrant apostolic commission that heralds the message of the fullness of Christ. Dr. Obed has seen his ministry soar to great heights over several years, touching the lives of many across the globe through his various ministry platforms. May you grow in grace and the knowledge of Christ as you listen to mind-renewing and heart-enlightening messages by Dr. Obed. Do enjoy this teaching. God bless you.
Speaker 2So, Fifi, the question is this. You are in the wilderness. Let's go inside. So, the church in the wilderness. The church in the wilderness, were they positioned according to tribes or they were scattered as a church? They were scattered as a church. I'll tell you again. The church in the wilderness, were they positioned according to tribes or they were scattered in the wilderness?
Speaker 3But in Jennings, when they came in together as a bulk, then you can refer to that as a scattering. But in pitching tents, they were pitched according to tribes.
Speaker 2And do you know that they also moved according to tribes?
Speaker 3That I didn't know.
Speaker 2Judah would lift first. Okay. The Bible talks about the motions in the wilderness. They were the ones that were to move first, the ones that were to follow. The Lord said, Judah shall go up first. Okay. Now, in all of these movements, as we have it, there was when the priests would move and when the tribes would move. So, even in Jennings, it was according to order. Okay. That is how it was. That is how Kambalam, when he was told to cast the nation of Israel, he saw the arrangement. And the arrangement of the church in the wilderness is according to denomination of tribes. Listen, there are tribes. The church can never exist without tribes. And there are 12 tribes in the church. Every church that you find. And there are four cardinals of the church in denomination. Three gates on each of the cardinal. 12 tribes altogether. In the church. And we saw that typology pertaining to the church in the wilderness. Read for me. Numbers, the chapter number one. Verse 52. Verse 52.
Speaker 4And the children of Israel shall pitch their tents every man by his own camp. And every man by his standard throughout their hosts. But the Levites shall pitch round about the tabernacle of testimony. That there be no wrath upon the congregation of the children of Israel. And the Levites shall keep the charge of the tabernacle. And the children of Israel did according to all that the Lord commanded Moses. So did they. Now in chapter two. And the Lord spake unto Moses and Aaron saying, Every man of the children of Israel shall pitch by his own standard with the ensign of their father's house. Far off about the tabernacle of the congregation shall they pitch. Now, hold on. And on the east side.
Speaker 2Okay, on the eastern side.
Speaker 4And on the east side toward the rising of the sun shall they pitch of their standard. Of the camp of Judah. Of the camp of Judah pitch throughout their armies. And Nashon the son of Aminadab shall be captain of the children of Judah.
Speaker 2Let me, let me. You've done that. So you can go to Numbers chapter two. Let me just teach us a quick one. How do you know your spiritual tribe? Who is your father? That tells you your spiritual tribe. Who is your father in the Lord? Once you don't know who your father in the Lord is. You would never know your spiritual tribe. Because you don't know your spiritual tribe. Because your father in the Lord carries the DNA. That is forming you into what you are supposed to be. Then finally. I want to ask you a question. This is Moses. Watch something. You've come to us from Egypt. We are going to the promised land. You see the way I'm going back. This is Egypt. You are Moses. Are you sure? If you are wise. This is the promised land. Which way should we go? Come. Be wise. For what's ever. You see these Czech people. They know how to be wise. But you see this guy is going without the cloud. We are following the cloud. The cloud says we should go back. We are going back. The guy is going. He doesn't have cloud. He would hit Jericho. And he would cut off his head. He doesn't have capacity. For where he is going. It was. It was not Moses that made the journey long ago. Who made it long?
Speaker 3The cloud. They were following the cloud. The pillar in the cloud.
Speaker 2Then who made the cloud go by that way? The character of the people. Yes. So it is we and God that has created this thing. Okay. The church as we have it. The gods are not to blame.
Speaker 5Alone. We are not to blame. We are not to blame. We are not to blame.
Speaker 2We are not to blame. God must take his blame. Everybody. So the spirit is a three day journey. But we have gone 40 years. Ah. So we wake up one day and say, ah, I wish I knew that it was a three day journey. No. You were not ready for the three days journey. It was to build capacity in you. And it is all working together for good. If we always would think of the end and how things should be.
Speaker 3It is all working together for good.
Speaker 2We will always regret. But me in life, I have realized that whether it is good, whether it is bad, it is fine. How I am looking now, I like it. If I went through the bad to become like this. If I went through the good to become like this. Am I happy with what I have now? And the way I am looking before God. If that is it, it is all good. So don't hold yourself terribly and say, we have to go by this way. We all know, the nation of Israel knew the way to Egypt. But they were following the cloud. If you like, tell an Israelite, meet me in Egypt. Or meet me in Jericho. In three days you will be there. But do you have capacity to wipe the people where you are going? So pastors will come and say, I prayed this and I realized I am wrong. I prayed this. I think that now the ways that I was preaching, my friend, all the ways was good. It was part of your building process. That is how come you have to be sure that you are following a man who is following Christ. That is your security. If a man is following Christ. But if you are following a man who is after his own gains. That is another matter. I am not talking about that kind of a man. So your spiritual tribe can be found. By who your father is. He said everyone shall be paid by the tenth of his father. So when you know your father. You now understand. That is Judah. That is how come there are pastors who are into warfare and praise. When you go to some church. It is warfare, praise, warfare, praise. That is a Judah church. They are always into praise, warfare. They are always into fighting something. They are always lion like. Judah. Then you have those who are into the wisdom preaching. Your pastor is always preaching wisdom. It is a charism church. That is their tribe. They emphasize wisdom, wisdom, wisdom. Then you have a church. Asher. Prosperity. Plenty. The church as far as denominations. You see oil is under our feet. Dip your feet in oil. Directions. You see it. When I take you through various spiritual tribes. And how to know it. How to look at various things. How to even be able to diagnose. Where you fit in that spiritual tribe. Otherwise you will never find enough fulfillment within yourself. And they are all good. They are all in the design scheme. Of the church. But please never forget. Whenever you look at the church. Don't look at church history only. Look from apostolic succession. And church history. And the true history of the church. Is not Catholicism. And its war. With protestant reformation. The true history of the church. Is Jesus and Paul.
Speaker 3God bless you so much. Amen. I have two questions online. Shalom Pastor Obed. I salute Master Rabbi. Please can we also say Jesus. The foundational apostles and Paul. Is what we have to follow. Yes. Though I have learned that Jesus and the foundational apostles. And Paul is the master builder. I am asking because I heard you say. Only Jesus and Paul. Is it wrong to also mention the foundational apostles. Please help my understanding.
Speaker 2Alright. Now. When I am talking about the foundational apostles. According to Jesus. Then they have the party. Because they were the ones that were with Jesus. Bodily. So they have the story of the bodily Jesus. But. It is Paul. That has the story. Of the glorified Christ. And the mystery of the church. It only takes John. does not even tell us what it was and what is he tells us what is to come i don't know if you're getting me so when you take the apostles you have john singled out and you have the rest of the apostles touching on the bodily jesus and the glorified jesus jesus of the flesh and jesus of glory and that is where paul and jesus comes into being and when we're talking about jesus we're actually talking about jesus and the twelve apostles it's all in one and all of these are load bearers i hope i'm clear yes papa all right um i think
Speaker 3you've answered this already but let me still ask from melda edem he says as believers do we need to pursue all that is being taught in all denominations to fully attain to the christ or do we have to take comfort in the room of the building that we are in focusing on the denomination we find ourselves in as believers we have to focus on the denomination we find ourselves in as believers we have to focus on the denomination
Speaker 2christ and then allow our spiritual dna to manifest that's all we can be everything
Speaker 3so this from brother freeman bitch shalom pastor shalom church when jesus said greater works than this shall ye do does this greater define a work more than christ or it defines the scope or reach an extent of this work and so when do we attain unto the unity of the feet oh okay
Speaker 2two questions in one first of all can i ask you people a question have you seen the stones that have been packed outside there and mr buama sitting in the office as a project manager the guys who are going to wheel this to the top fourth floor which of them is doing the greater work phoebe papa which of them is a greater work papa none is
Speaker 3greater because it is the function of the work to the ultimate purpose of the building does that make does
Speaker 2that the the amount and volume of work you do does it define rank no papa that's it so greater works and these shall you do he's talking about the works he said these greater works and these shall you do and he said these greater works and these shall you do i go to my father it does not define rank so whatever he's giving you to do just do it he's the one who knows how great it is he's the one that's giving you the work i don't even want to concern myself with all of that me i see jesus doing size and oneness i apply myself i see jesus doing this i just do it and i want to do more by way of volume if volume is the greater work so be it if my works at the end of the day positions me through fire to a place of great rank so be it all of them is greater works so the greater works that's how come we know that there is a project manager and there is a labor by volume the labor may do more than the project manager but the project manager by mental assertion may do more than the labor but in at the end of the day it is the owner that decides where everybody should be ranked greater works so the greater works could be by rank or by volume and all of them is applicable because jesus is going to the father okay
Speaker 3but those are the questions
Speaker 2thank you thank you amen amen from today when you meet somebody who says holy spirit is enough just smile and tell the person there is no place where we see solar spiritus solar sanctus spiritus let's concern ourselves with the work of the church and let's finish the work that was given to us in building after the design of jesus and paul may god give you understanding may your heart be driven into the realms of god's visions for his church i pray that in apostolic succession you will find your place what your contribution is in apostolic succession may you be divinely located by god
Speaker 5jesus name those
Speaker 2of you that must go out stepping out in this apostolic mandate may your hearts be knit together in
Speaker 5the name of jesus may
Speaker 2you be driven by the passion of jesus in the name of jesus may you be driven by the passion of paul the name of jesus i pray in the name of jesus that as this service has been held many warriors are emerging in the name of jesus in the mighty name of jesus amen both in this room in all of our networks online and in tv well i pray for you i pray for you yes i pray for you yes i pray for you yes i pray for you again you will not lose
Speaker 5fire jesus name you will not cave in jesus name the
Speaker 2grace of god and the glory of god will be your rear guard in jesus precious name we call it then amen
Speaker 6give me a microphone
Speaker 2solar christus what of angels speaking about only
Speaker 7christ solar christ is speaking about only christ and we understand that that speaks of or that relates in only solteria we are talking about salvific work of christ in the angelic work wouldn't come under it so with reference to solteria all the christus works but with reference to the ecclesia and solteria the angelic work wouldn't come under it so with reference to solteria all the christians works but with reference to the ecclesia and solteria then the angelic work will also have to come into play
Speaker 2i see you're smoking well pass the mic let me hear what somebody else who has to say celebrate him
Speaker 8okay so papa from the understanding i got from the message that was preached and when we talk of solar christus talking of only christ we are speaking in reference of salvation so when we speaking specifically with regards to salvation but when we decide to expand it to church life then in that case we cannot only look at solar christ that is only christ we have to bring in the embodiment i have said the same thing that you have said that's the same understanding i got okay all right next there's something i'm looking for
Speaker 9shalom that is shalom church shalom please it's the same thing
Speaker 2all right sharif take it gideon sharif say something
Speaker 9so shalom papa shalom church so firstly i want to say that the soulless has to do with salvation alone but however when when you look at the soulless uh in just just position two the ecclesia that is the church then the soulless is not alone it's not enough that's the same thing that you have said yeah so now when you look at solar scriptus then you are looking at solar christus solar christus that is christ alone you are looking at justification that in the salvific work we are looking at christ as the solar entity that is the salvation of the earth and that is the solar entity for justification all right so now when we bring in the ecclesia uh with the solar then we are looking at uh solar christus not enough because now in the church work or the progress or the journeys of the church you need other messengers just as christ what is it called what
Speaker 2is it called no what is it called i'm suggesting in the apostolic section brought this one yes in apostolic succession angels what is it called where do they fall under the it means that you really really got the introduction and everything you are still in the introduction theosis okay yeah yeah the divine participation and everything that includes so it is not just the work of jesus but it is god and his workers together that's where angels come in that's where the saints come in those who are dead and alive all of us pastors coming because it is only in theosis that we have synergy are you are you getting it yes please all right so sharif say something say what you wanted to say theosis yes so i wanted
Speaker 10to go on the same trajectory in that the apart from the catholic and then the the protestants we touched on the eastern orthodoxy good and they they are the ones that believed in the theosis in that they believed in they were mystics that's
Speaker 2it celebrated that ends the whole thing i was waiting for that because angelic ministration comes under the subject of the mystics and it is under this that we are able to talk about what theosis what that divine participation that inclusion that creates synergy so that's where the mystical the mystical realm opens so you'll now begin to understand why especially protestants they don't want to have anything to do with mysticism nothing mystical everything must be as you can see judgments plan you see it it must appeal to their senses and it's more gratian in that So my final question I just want to be sure that You got that last part Okay I won't give it to Pastor Reginald If I do he will just end it for me Okay The traditions of the church Feet washing Communion They are not important Anointing with oil They are not important Communion Anointing with oil Feet washing Baptism They are not important Christ alone Once Christ is in you Faith alone You will be saved Grace alone Talk to me On the traditions And the sacraments
Speaker 11Shalom church Shalom
Speaker 2There is only one verse you can use To give me an answer to this one I want to help you It's Paul So
Speaker 11Paul said that Concerning the ordinances Good We are supposed to keep them
Speaker 2Uh huh You are doing well Celebrate him now Say good man there Please celebrate him Let him fill his hand More people You've done too well
Speaker 11So Paul said that we should Remember him in all things
Speaker 2That's the first one Celebrate him again The guy got it The guy got it Charlie move from there Come and stand here So that the camera can capture you well Come come You are on spot Charlie The way you are handling the thing No intimidation This is apostolic succession I'm listening Too good I thank God for your life
Speaker 11Amen I want
Speaker 2to feel this Carry on So if
Speaker 11we are making reference to Only Paul and Jesus And if Paul said that These ordinances are supposed to be kept And We are following Paul and Jesus Then keeping them As our reference point We also have to keep Um Sorry pastor Carry
Speaker 2on So Paul
Speaker 11said that he praises them Please the scripture He said that we should remember him In all things And keep the ordinances So if we are supposed to Make reference to feet washing And keep the ordinances Anointing oil The question we are asking is Did Paul do those things Did he keep those ordinances Since he has become The master builder And the architect That has given us a blueprint Of the plan of God Or the dream of God Then we cannot set aside These ordinances Since Paul kept them
Speaker 2You know what If you get this one Me pastor Obed Me pastor Obed I'll give you two thousand And I'll see this Very simple question In the bible Only two people Requested that they should be remembered Who and who And tell me where Be quick You will get it Relax You will get it Only two people Two people Said that they should be remembered Tell me where So Paul Paul He said what
Speaker 11He said in the scripture First Corinthians chapter 11 verse 2
Speaker 2Good That's what
Speaker 11Remember me in all
Speaker 2Remember me in all things Second one Jesus Jesus He said where
Speaker 11Where did he say that At the church At the last The Lord suffered
Speaker 2Come on Come on celebrating people What did he say What did he say Brother I am worrying Thousand galaxies to you first What did he say So that you can get
Speaker 11Your two thousand
Speaker 2He said what
Speaker 11So he said that He took the bread And then he broke it And said This is my body Which has been broken for you Do this in remembrance of me Come on Please celebrate him
Speaker 2Who are you How long have you been in church
Speaker 11Seven years Since 2023
Speaker 2Wow You know I don't know you I'm seeing you for the first time What's your name
Speaker 11Richard Adair Oh
Speaker 2Richard Adair Yes pastor My name's Ake Wow Charlie celebrating man Let me bless you Let me bless you But let me send you a message Let me send you the money I promise to do so Pastor David says that His momo line An apostle should be free Type in your number Come on celebrate God for his life Celebrate God Celebrate God for his life God. Awesome. Awesome.
Speaker 6Awesome. Awesome. Do you have your phone here?
Speaker 2Go and get it.
Speaker 5You will never know.
Speaker 2You have seen it to Richard at death. Okay, check. God bless you. God bless you. Celebrate God for his life.
Speaker 8You want to fall under their power.
Speaker 2I don't know what that money means to you, but the Lord is telling me it means so much to you. So much. You need to clear some things and you have to be free. True, Pastor.
Speaker 11Remember you owe me.
Speaker 2and out of obedience let me do something, come I just had it, I would be obedient come the Lord just told me and I'm not joking about this he said give him 10,000 ganasiris it has to hit your accounts I want him to get it I'm sending it I'm sending it from here he's saying that transaction failed I don't know why and why you can't receive that capacity Charlie they said your data is what your daily transaction has been has been exceeded everybody's limit is 50,000 they said what
Speaker 11you have exceeded your daily transaction limit
Speaker 2do you have a friend who can receive the money for you in church in church in church okay so go and get your friend's number and let me send the 8,000 to you please be quick Okay. Try them in. Only two people said remember me in all things. Jesus said do this in remembrance of me. It was all concerning traditions. Ordinances. God is faithful. You see the way when I came to you were shaking. And you were wondering why, why, why? Why me? Should we have asked someone else this question? Yes. He said not at all, pastor. That's it. This is Obed Jemfi. Ah, you are Obed? You people, why? All right. Check. He said it. Keep it. Keep it. We don't do stupid here. I don't even know him as my member. He said he's been in church for all this while. Go. Take care of all your debts. All the issues that has to do with gadgets that you need to get, go and get all of them for your course work. You've been talking about it for very long and it's been like mayor, mayor and it's, it's always, I need this mama. I need this mommy. I need this. You have it. Go and get it. God bless you. God bless you. Give Jesus a hand. He's faithful. Hey man. Listen, I must hear from God. I won't give you 10,000 ganas. It is no, I must hear from God. And the moment I hear from God, I will give you 10,000 ganas. I will give you 10,000 ganas. I will give you 10,000 ganas.
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