27. Chat with Midwest Emma

Speaker 1 Welcome. All these. It's a sure here. Back at it with another episode. Today's episode is very special because it is both of our first-ever podcast collab. So I am speaking with Midwest Emma who runs the spicy accountant podcast, who is also a sex worker. We actually have very similar start times and very different Or he's so it's very long. So without further Ado, I'll go ahead and cut to that. I hope you guys Speaker 2 enjoy. Hello Speaker 1 guys? It's Ash tro Speaker 2 and Emma Speaker 1 Claire. And we are doing our first ever podcast collab together. Speaker 2 Yes, this is my first time using this app to try to do a little virtual interview collab. Speaker 1 Yeah. And I've done interviews before. Never a podcast collab. So I'm really excited to chat with you and answer some questions today that the people have. Speaker 2 Yeah, I asked my Instagram and you asked your Instagram, some questions that fellow creators had for us so I guess we can start with who we are and what we Speaker 1 do. Yeah. So I'm Astro and I started only fans and April of 20. So it's actually like my two year anniversary and like three days. So, it doesn't really feel like that to me though because I think the first like, four months, I genuinely had no idea what I was doing and then I slowly realized that I quite enjoyed the work in the job and that it could potentially be a way out of working the Minimum wage jobs. I was working before. Speaker 2 So, so when you started, or you still working another job, Speaker 1 yes, I was working. I started when I was in, when I was laid off because of the pandemic. And so, the first month, I wasn't working another job. But then, I went back to two jobs, actually, two other jobs and then Some stuff happened and I ended up working at a plant nursery, most of the rest of 2020 and doing only fans and then I got laid off for the winter for that which is just a pretty natural occurrence in a outside job world. And so I took that winter as an opportunity to really grow, my only fans and see See if I could make it work. I guess. And I didn't end up needing to go back this that spring. So that's when I kind of started. 0f Speaker 2 full-time. Okay. So you've been full time for a year now? Speaker 1 Yeah, I started completely full time, January of twenty, twenty one. So yeah. Just a little bit over a year where this is really been. The only thing that I've been doing Speaker 2 I'm pretty similar to you. When I started, I started after you. I started in June of 2020 and when I started, I also had a full-time job and I balance that until want to say March of twenty, twenty one. So we're pretty similar, we did only fans for like a whole year before we completely quit meeting like my full-time job as and I had set hours that I had to be Speaker 1 there. Yeah and that is something I do. do I'm thinking about Potentially changing now, I love only fans but I think I think I was, I felt very passionately about everything that I was doing last year and now I'm just finding that I need a little bit more fulfillment other areas. So I'm hoping to expand my my jobs upcoming but having that freedom, that only fan gives that Financial T to be able to, kind of try new things is really like comforting. I don't think I would have risked. Trying up the new things that I'm hoping to try later this year, without the security that only fans gives. So, Speaker 2 that is definitely a huge perk. I just recently went back to continue with some more college and I would have never gone back because I was planning on getting a job with my Current degree but now I completely switch career fields and kind of exploring more business and marketing. Yeah. And so to be yeah that you know, that safety, net of our only fans savings and all of that is definitely something that's Changed our future. Speaker 1 Yeah, speaking of savings one of the questions I did get was what percentage of your earnings do you normally put towards investing? Speaker 2 Yeah. So it's like really hard to keep track of all the fans money. It sounds weird to say, but because you're doing e regular withdrawals or at least I do any time that my account hits over $1000. And Penny mounts, I withdraw, it just out of the fear that, you know, all the fans could do some of the things they've done in the past to me. So, I always withdraw money immediately. So, my bank account gets multiple transactions a day, so it's hard to like sit down and be like, okay, this needs to go here, this needs to go there. So at the end of every month, I sit down with my financial advisor and we kind of have a game plan at the beginning of the year. And I think right now, I'm currently investing into the market like 85% of I earnings and then about 10% of my earnings is going to other Investments and business purchases like my farm and stuff like that. And then 5% of my earnings is like, I'm going to do whatever I want vacations and stuff. What about you? Speaker 1 So actually you inspired me heavily? I think it was around last summer, either you had just started tweeting about it. Where I noticed that you were tweeting a lot about Eating and stuff like that. And I think I had always been nervous about investing only because I didn't understand it and not that I 100% understand it now, but I definitely took that as like a nudge to start listening to a bunch of podcast and talking to financial advisers and meeting with a bunch of different Financial people. And so I started investing See her. So I don't really know how to put a percent on that because I have saved a lot. Like probably 85% of the last two years. So I don't yeah, it's hard to put a percent on what I'm actually investing but I'm making weekly payments now for it. So I feel like I'm slowly building and was He's able to start off with quite a big chunk from savings. So, I'm really excited to start that and see the growth there. And I'm glad you talked about it so much and inspired me last Speaker 2 year. Yeah, I definitely do have into investing as well. Last year, pretty heavily. Once my income increase, I was like, I got to do something with this money and I kind of just found a financial advisor online. That was Kind of near me. What did you do? Speaker 1 I yeah, I have one that I found in my city but it's a larger company. I think I'm just using Edward Speaker 2 Jones. That's what I use as well. Just like the independent advice, investor through them. Speaker 1 Yeah and it's a lady that's in my city and she's very sweet and yeah, it feels really good and I love conversations with her and She inspires me and so, yeah, it's been, it's been really good. I did try to talk with a few other male, I guess, financial advisors. And I have always just had a really difficult time talking about money with emails, I guess. I don't know why. Or I feel like I just don't understand it and I feel really dumb. But with her, she lays it out in a way that I just understood a lot better. So that's Speaker 2 kind of funny because mine's also a female. Speaker 1 Yeah, Speaker 2 so I guess my advice to people who are listening to this podcast is to just meet with people and talk to them. Because usually that initial consultation is free before you invest any money with them, you kind of get to know them, ask them questions. So it's not like you have to show up and pay them for their time or at least that's how it was. Or me. I met with a couple people as well. Speaker 1 Yeah, same. And the the lady I work with our first, like two meetings were free and the second one was like an hour and a half long of just information about investing. So and I could have walked away from that and decided against and that meeting wasn't charged at all. So that yeah a lot of people will. A lot of those consultations can be free for you and it's just information which is really nice. Yeah, I'm speaking of finances that's kind of the same with taxes. You can typically meet with a CPA and not be charged that initial kind of get to know you asking them questions and that's a really good resource my Tax Advisor. My CPA even told me he's like, if you have any friends who are trying to file taxes on their own or through TurboTax, Speaker 2 Asks, just tell them to consult with a CPA before they make any decisions. So I don't know if you get a lot of questions about taxes but I do and people want to know do we file our own taxes? Speaker 1 Yeah, I definitely don't. I would be so scared to do that. Honestly I did try, I think my first year but I also had several I didn't make as much that first year and I had several W-2s from other jobs, so, and that was a really confusing year with just like the stimulus has and different things like that. So I did that year on Turbo Tax, but the CPA I have now is like double-checking that year for me to make sure that everything was accurate. So I don't know, I don't know if I would try to ever do them myself at this point, but I think in certain, depending on how much you make, I might still feel comfortable doing that. But after a certain amount of money, I don't think I would. Yeah, once I broke 50k, I was especially thinking, okay, this is a little overwhelming and then once I broke 100K, I would, I was started making calls because I was paying Speaker 2 Okay. Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. And having a good CPA is everything to like I worked with one that helped me set up my LLC and stuff like that earlier last year, but then throughout the year I just really didn't like the way they worked and the speed at which they worked or like the way they explained things to me. And again, it was a male and I ended up switching at the end of last year, so if you don't like your CPA, it is okay. To if you can afford it to switch because the CPA I have now I just absolutely we get along really well. And I feel really confident and comfortable with them, and that makes me feel so much better than like a constant anxiety that I have with the other one. So Speaker 2 I feel like we're twins Speaker 1 And Speaker 2 Z because I started with a different CPA last year and they helped me get all my ducks in a row with my LLC and then they actually fired me because of they found out. I did Sex work even though I was clear. Yeah. I was clear that I did content. Yeah, I told him, I did content creation and then once they started researching, I said, only fans. But the guy was kind of older. And he didn't know what that Matt, and then as he did more research. Ouch. He ended up you know firing me because him and his wife weren't comfortable doing my stuff and so I moved to a different guy who is super like, oh yeah, you do sex work? Great, I'm all for it. I'm here to help you. I think what you do is super great power to you. And so, yeah. We're pretty similar in the fact that we've kind of jumped around and kind of chosen what works best for us. I think I'm not a really confrontational person. I don't really get the vibe that you are, but it's good that we've kind of Up for ourselves and done what is best for our businesses and moved to who is going to do the work, the best for Speaker 1 us. Yeah and yeah that can be really hard especially with an area of your job that you don't know a lot about like you're hiring these people because you know, you can't do it 100%. So to even have any sort of thought that they might be slacking on their job Job and you're paying them a lot of money to do it. Like you almost doubt yourself of like, am I just going crazy? Is this how it works? But whenever you have that match and you find the right person that's like, does the work that feels like how you think it should feel in conversation with you? Like, there's nothing that compares to it. So it is hard to stand up for yourself when you don't know what's actually involved in the job that they're doing. Yeah. But especially yeah, the business professionals are working with, they have degrees their lawyers, they're all these things. So it's a little intimidating. But yeah, it's it's important to stand up for yourself and know that they work for you at the end of the day. Exactly. Yeah. Speaker 2 Okay. Did you want to move on? Yeah, that was enough business chat, I guess we can move into kind of content because I got a lot of questions about how we take content, edit price, it all that stuff. So I guess we can start with how to both of us. Take our content for me, it's a tripod self-timer and my iPhone 13. What about you? Yeah Speaker 1 I do that. Probably about 40% of the time and then 60% is with a Canon 90d camera and I have a little remote control timer that has like a two second thing. So click the remote, Chuck it somewhere and then pose and pretty much take All my content that way, and then I use an app called Lightroom to edit and Watermark everything. And I think I'm still using it for free. I'm sure there is a paid option, but I've found the free option works really well, and it's really easy to Watermark a chunk of photos at once. And use similar presets and stuff like that if you know what a preset is. So, yeah, I would suggest that app to anyone who's kind of lost on that end. Speaker 2 I definitely think I take the easier route because all of that sounds like a lot of technology and learning new things and kind of for me, once I learned how to use my iPhone and get some good natural lighting, And then I just throw a simple filter on it on Vizquel and then I just posted. So I feel like I the Simplicity of mine is a really key for me just because I feel like I don't enjoy the photography and editing, but I feel like you do. Speaker 1 Yeah. It is something. It is something that I kind of found my way to because I definitely only use my phone probably until Like July and August of 2021. So, about half of my career was just the phone and very simplistic. And there's also I learned from a mentor about blank wall photography when I first got into like really growing my account and that's pretty much just where you don't really do much with a background if Backgrounds and decor and stuff like that. Stress you out. You can just do a blank wall or a blank sheet, something really, really simple and still be very effective with that. And I did have my first 10K a month with like only blank wall photography. So it is really about how how you feel and doing photos with a camera and Fancy editing is definitely not necessary, but if that's something you find you like it can be really fun but you can still be 100% obviously very successful with just the phone and stuff. Speaker 2 Yeah, I think it definitely prefer, it just depends on people's preference. So once you have your content taken, do you like to like mask schedule, your content, like you bulk photo, shoot a bunch of it one day and then schedule it for several days. Or do you like to put Take photos and post it that very Speaker 1 same day. Yeah. So it's funny because I actually always get really nervous about talking about scheduling for some reason because in my head you are selling the illusion of yourself as a daily sexy worker. And the idea that someone would schedule out months or weeks or even days in advance can sometimes break that illusion for someone listening. That might be a subscriber. Brr sometimes. I've noticed if a certain model doesn't know how to do it, right? Or if they schedule, so far out that their caption start becoming poor and like, it doesn't feel authentic or like some people just can't write that many captions in a day if you're trying to schedule out a whole month, it can actually be kind of detrimental to your success because it can break that illusion that you, you know, are this, like daily whimsical. Cool goddess. That's just naked all day. Like, so I have gone through phases where I schedule out really far, and then I've noticed that I hate my captions or I hate how it sounds or the way I've put my photos together in a way that maybe doesn't always look like a story that I want it to. So sometimes I can do that and still like my highest month, last year, I scheduled out completely before the month even started. So there is something to scheduling out certain content because then you have time to Other things like Tick Tock and it's like, you're always doing all those things. But if you have scheduled out a lot of your content, sometimes you have more room for marketing. So it really just depends. Sometimes now I'll be scheduling out the day of or a few days in advance and sometimes I'll do A few weeks, but it honestly just changes with every photo shoot and every every day. So it's hard. It's a pretty Speaker 2 similar. I don't know if that makes any sense. Yeah, no. I'm definitely a similar, I typically will just take photos that day and post it, but for specific things, scheduling is kind of necessary. So if I'm going on a trip, and a lot of the trips I go on, or it's like national parks, or I went on a cruise and my Wi-Fi. He has not been reliable. I think scheduling is really important, so that way my subscribers get content every day while I'm on those trips. And when I do collabs obviously, I'm only with those girls were a short amount of time, but we want to take a lot of photo shoots. I mean, we have lots of lingerie, lots of outfits. So we'll do a bunch of photo shoots, I'm not going to post them all at once, so I'll schedule them out over a couple days. And I think that mix really helps, I totally agree with you that if you schedule your content out, you might lack in either caption quality or content quality because you're just so focused on getting quantity, not quality. So I, yeah. I think those like raw photos even if they're like, not your best work, if they know it was taken that very day. And it's hot. They really enjoy it like the other day. I didn't have any photos to post on all the fans because I was busy driving, the semi truck around and Hauling grain for our farm. And so I quickly just, you know, lifted up my shirt and flashed. While I was unloading grain at the grain elevator. And the guys, on my page, went crazy over it because it was so so crazy because there's so many people at the elevator and then it was also just in that moment, while I was doing stuff at work. So I yeah, I think doing professional looking photo. Shoot is important, but also those quick good morning nudes and stuff. Like that is also kind of the way you build your brand and let people actually relate to your life because if it's just professional photo shoots, It's kind of impersonal if that makes sense. Yeah, I did notice Speaker 1 that pretty early on, in my career actually, I had a friend that lived in my city that was doing only fans around the same time and she was really into doing professional shoots. And so I joined her on a few and was like, oh yeah, this will be great. And I immediately noticed that those like didn't do very well for me. No one really like people liked them, but they didn't go as crazy for them. As I thought they might, because I was like, these are so good and then so I only did like two or three professional shoots at the beginning. And then I just realized like people just like my morning selfies more than like, I'm getting more likes on that. So, and that's easier than Darling up for, you know, five hours and driving somewheres. And Speaker 2 that's the appeal to only fans is real amateur, personalized content. I mean, they can go on the internet and look up hot models with professional photo shoots by the dozens, they could get a Playboy magazine. Yeah. That's but only fans is where they can get those real raw, nudes and pornographic. Videos. Yeah, so I guess we could. I will say you continue Speaker 1 just one more thing to the scheduling. I will say if you are traveling and maybe as a no-face Creator like I mean there is still always the idea of safety with location and stuff like that but as a face creator whenever I'm traveling like you said with any time you're going on a trip and stuff you like to schedule out, I do too. You for traveling specifically because I wouldn't want anyone to maybe guess where I'm at, on a trip until after I've left. Like I think that would really invoke a lot of fear, if someone on the internet was like, oh yeah. That's at the Key West or whatever. And I just feel like so vulnerable. So if you are traveling and stuff as a model, it is smart not to ever really. Share your location or if you do share your location just make sure it's like after you've left. I Speaker 2 first definitely have a kind of wild scary story, that happened with that. It was pretty early on it was earlier this summer and I thought it was kind of a harmless post. I was talking about this concert. I was going to I didn't even say what concert I was going to and I was talking about it on my Snapchat and then when I got to the concert, I posted some photos of my outfit and you could kind of see the background. You couldn't see what concert I was necessarily at. Well, someone noticed the cups I was holding and they knew what concert I was at and then I had like three or four guys saying hey I'm at this concert I'm looking for you and I ended up leaving early because I was so paranoid about the outfit. I was wearing because no other girls wearing that outfit. It's so I learned quickly that like no matter what, like I enjoy posting on my Snapchat, like what I am doing right now because guys love that. That's What my Snapchats for to share my dad. I've, but in that instance, it kind of put me in a really could be unsafe situation. I was with a lot of men so like all of my friends and boyfriends were with me, so I wasn't super scared that I was going to be harmed. But obviously though, I don't want someone to like snap a photo of my face or I was just it ruined the whole experience for me, honestly. So I learned quickly that like if I'm at an event I am extra extra careful that I don't catch anything in the background. Or I just wait till the next day. So yes, scheduling content for your safety. Could be key. Speaker 1 Yeah, and I am currently working on scheduling a lot of content because I will actually be traveling for three months this summer. So I obviously I'm scheduling a little bit in advance so that I'm not sharing photos. While I'm at certain places until after I've left those places. So I'm really excited for that but it won't be till the end of summer that everyone gets Speaker 2 there was this trip like a Content trip. Like you're just traveling to get content in new places or is it a personal trip? Speaker 1 I'm still going to be working, probably not part-time, not full-time. Like, right in between what part in full time would be, for me, it is personal but I am hoping to And already planning to meet up with several other models during my trip, and I've never traveled this way. I'm pretty much going to be staying in airbnb's and driving across the u.s. So I'm really excited. I'll have my animals with me which is one thing that I always miss when I'm traveling, I have a dog and a cat so they'll be with me and And yeah, I'm really excited. It will be a good slow travel in terms of the length of time I'll be staying at places but it'll it's a few places that I've never been before. So, yeah, I think it will be a good. Speaker 2 Well, it's definitely one of the perks of only fans for you. You can just take your work with you Speaker 1 essentially. Exactly. Yeah, I kind of realized this like all of last year, I was like, I'm working from home, obviously last year was a little bit harder to travel depending on what was going on, but I feel a little bit safer about traveling this year and yeah, I'm I've always wanted this. So I'm very excited to kind of be able to live out my dream for a summer. I think still only thing. Speaker 2 Awesome. You are. Talking about you're traveling. You might stop and meet with some other creators. Do you want to talk about collabing? Because I had a couple questions about collabs. All right, one question I got was is it possible to be successful without boy-girl content? And for me I guess I'll answer first. I did only solo content for the first four months as a only fans Creator. And I was making what I thought was good money. I was able to pay my rent with my only fans income. Which was the goal of me having only fans but then as soon as I got a lot of really big number request for guy-girl Content, I decided to try it and the rest was history. So I don't really know if it's possible to be successful without boy, girl for me because I just did it so early on So it's just yeah and kind of been a part of my journey. So I it's hard to tell like had I not done boy, girl. Could I have still grown? What about you? Yeah. So I Speaker 1 am, I actually did my very first sex tape in January of this year. So I've 2022. So I did a whole year without I had a few blowjob videos that I sold a bit last. Steer. But I will say, I did go through several months in and out that I would not sell them and stuff and I've had really still I guess I'll be open and honest I've had like 30 to 40 K months with how boy-girl content which I think is very successful. Oh hell yeah. So I definitely think it's possible and feel like it's possible and we'll say that like, obviously, the sex tape is like my highest selling video this year and will probably stay that way, but because I have so few and far between I also make my boy girl content. It cost quite a bit. Whereas, if I knew if that it was more frequent, I probably We would lower the price but I don't know. I really like having my page mostly solo. So Speaker 2 well, that definitely answered Speaker 1 suggestion. Yeah, you can be very successful without it. But is there always going to be more money with it? I think so. But it doesn't mean that you can't break those limits that. You think you might have without it. Oh, Speaker 2 so what do you think the key is to doing solo content and being successful? Do you think it's worth promoting content quality or kind of both? And I think Speaker 1 marketing is the biggest way to be successful. I think, I mean, the months that I've dipped in and out of like those higher months have been, when my marketing has been bad because my only fans content never changes really like, it's very set of, you know, four to five photos a day 122 photo, or 122 explicit videos a week and now I have started streaming a bit more but like nothing about my only fans really has changed all that much, besides the new content that is brought there but my marketing strategies are what I'm constantly editing and revising and figuring out what's the next best thing and what feels good for me and what I can keep up with. And the months that I've been a little bit lower have been because my marketing was King and not because any things been different about my only fans. So if anything I would I would just say to focus on the marketing part and still obviously focused on your only fans. It did take me a while to get my stride there to what felt comfortable felt like enough and stuff like that. But At the end of the day, if you're not marketing or not bringing people in, so Speaker 2 do you want to dive into promoting marketing? Because I know that's something a lot of people enjoy hearing about. Yeah one lets you get any questions. I got a couple Speaker 1 em. I don't think I got any about my one that I saw was Speaker 2 interesting was, do we use a promoting agency or a print or a paid platform to promote for us or is it self-promoting? And Speaker 1 I've only been 100% self-promoting. Besides I have paid for promotional posts on other models pages, but that's the only paid promotion that I've done in the past and It does work but I don't know. It goes, It's always a hit or miss so never Put all of your promotion into just within only fans promotion or other model promotion, because it is 100% of Hit or Miss. Like, you can think you find the flow of it. And then only fans is also always changing their terms of service with promotional posts and stuff like that. And I personally have noticed since they've added the hashtag ad that's required in the post. Since December, it's been way more misses than hits because I think people can opt to not see hashtag add post, so it can be really frustrating. But that's why I think focusing on your own Marketing. In terms of social media, is way more important than throwing all your money yet model made Speaker 2 promotion. Yeah, I also only self-promote, I've never hired an agency or any And to do the social media management and all that for me. So, I guess you want to break down your current promoting what platforms, you use? What you think is successful? What you think has been a waste of time? Yeah, I Speaker 1 am kind of in the a transitional phase of permission right now. I used to do Instagram and Tick Tock pretty hard. I never got a super great. Swing of tick-tock, but I did notice it the days I didn't do it. I would probably have on a good day, 20 to 30 subscribers, and the days I did, it was like 50 to 60. So even, if you're not blowing up on Tick-Tock, you're still putting yourself in front of new faces every single day. So, I do think tick-tock. Is all it. I mean it's a love-hate relationship with every model in terms of banning and deleted accounts and change of the terms of service and stuff but at the end of the day it's the best platform in terms of social media, just to put you in front of new people. And I know you've experienced the algorithm of tick-tock. Honestly can't be beat on any other platform even though they have definitely been too. Speaker 2 Game their terms and services and their algorithm to not promote sex workers. It's still, in my opinion, not the easiest per se, but it's definitely the most. I don't know prolific. I don't know if that's the right word but it's, Speaker 1 yeah, lucrative. If I think, like It does take time and effort and frustration. But so does Twitter and Instagram and those don't bring you as many subscribers as Tick-Tock can sew each social media. App is going to have that frustration and potential band and stuff like that, but Tick Tock is the easiest to start over from to. Like, if I had to start over on Twitter, honestly, I don't know if I would, because it takes so long to grow, Twitter and Instagram, but Tick Tock is so easy to initially grow on that when you lose accounts like it sucks. But You know, you're not going to be lost forever or like have to take another year and a half to go. Exactly. Speaker 2 Yeah, I can get it. Count on Tick, Tock to 200,000 followers, and two months, but Twitter, it took me two years. so, it's definitely a crazy difference in the The rate that you gain new eyes, and new attention. One thing I will say about your Tik toks, I know you don't do them as much anymore, but when you were doing them you definitely had a different approach than I think a lot of sex workers have and you kind of would show more of your daily life. Like oh my morning coffee and all of that sort of stuff. You kind of would build a brand and not take it too sexy to get deleted but just sexy enough to make guys carry This to go find your Instagram and Twitter and for me that doesn't always work. Definitely the videos where I purse The Edge push it to right where that guideline is and talk about stuff. That is not necessarily allowed on social media. Those are the videos that gained media attention. But for you it seemed to have worked more like of an organic growth of moving people from Tick-Tock to Instagram out of curiosity. Yeah, Speaker 1 I also will say that having a random Tick-Tock about once a week that literally just says, or jokes about people, finding your Twitter as if it's like something funny or even like embarrassed like, oh no, they found my Twitter or whatever. Every time I did that, I would have a very big influx of Twitter subscribers. And so I I started doing that about once a week when I was a bit more active. So that's something I would suggest to people who feel like they're not converting Tick-Tock to the other platforms. Like I try to do Twitter most because that's where I have. My only offense link, where's Instagram doesn't specifically have that. I don't mind people to go over to my Instagram but I know that that's not where I'm going to be making that link to To a sale or a subscriber. So, I really try to push my Twitter on Tick, Tock the most, and I wish they had a little button. They could click because that would make it easier, but they haven't come up with that feature Speaker 2 yet. Yeah, for sure. Another thing people were asking me was basically what do I do? At the very beginning, I just started. My only fans today. What platforms? Which ways do you think I should get my First few subscribers. And normally what? I tell people who come to me for promoting is get on Tick, Tock, get your Twitter and Instagram going. But those aren't necessarily going to flow you in subscribers at the very beginning because you kind of have to start building a brand for me, getting those onesies and twosies subscribers. At the beginning was really important because you know, your girls got bills to pay. And so for the beginning for My only fans. Those first 10 subscribers came from Reddit and tender. Yeah, I've heard people using Tinder. Speaker 1 I don't, I never had used it because maybe maybe I had tried it and then got banned or something. I got banned pretty quickly from to Tender and so, and it was a while before I got a different number to potentially use it again. But, yeah, I've heard people now use tender a lot. So I've always been curious. Yeah, basically what I did was I made Speaker 2 a Tinder account. I don't show my face so I would use photos. That were, you know, just me riding my horse, shoot him, a gun stuff that didn't show my face, but kind of showed who I was and then the bio I would put my Instagram handle and then I would put like, a Cheesy little and, or a little bio, but the thing was people would swipe on me. And if I wouldn't reply to them on Tinder, they would go to my Instagram and try to message me. And then that's where they find my only fan sleek. And when I was in the beginning, you know, gaining one, or two subscribers, a day from tender was Awesome. Like that. That was that beginning? Snowball Effect. And then, while I was gaining subscribers from tender, I was also diving into Reddit, hardcore. And I know you used read it because I think that's where we found each other. Yeah. Speaker 1 I think so too. Yeah, I think I first saw you on read it and then quickly like found your Twitter and started to I think in Speaker 2 the fall of 2020, we were pretty similar percentages and we were posting on the same subreddits and I think we followed each other on Twitter and we did a shout out way back when Speaker 1 yeah? Like literally December of 2020. Speaker 2 Yeah, it was a long time ago but yeah, right. It was really big for me in the beginning. I don't know. Do you use still use Reddit? It. I don't I still have my Speaker 1 account up and occasionally. I will post like a new podcast episode as out but that is the extent of it and mostly I'll do that and then people will be like why aren't you on read it anymore and then I just roll my eyes and I'm like, never mind. Yeah I don't lie is so it was good at the beginning but I think it's changed a lot since we Speaker 2 started Definitely Speaker 1 has just the vibe of it. Yeah. So I don't know if I would suggest it but I don't know that I wouldn't suggest it either just because I really don't understand the community on there anymore. And for me it didn't work out but that doesn't mean it wouldn't work for someone who's just starting because. Yeah I think I think those first 100 Scott subscribers are just so like you know, special and like Like you're, you know, you're starting to grow and stuff. So wherever you get them from Speaker 2 is, yeah, that the first and I always say the hardest to get and hitting. That first hundred is like the biggest Milestone. I remember like, I mean, when I hit 100 subscribers. Speaker 1 Yeah. Same. I got like butterflies in my stomach every subscriber that first 100. And then Speaker 2 and then you're just like dumped Elena now, what's next? Yeah, I think Read it and tender. There is potential I guess you and I probably don't know much about it. Now that we've been building our brands for two years because I recently talked about it on my Instagram story and basically I was like read it sucks. And then I had so many girls being like read, it doesn't suck iron ten thousand dollars and I only use Reddit this month. So there are people successful on Reddit. I just think it might require more research that I'm willing to put into it just because I enjoy Tick-Tock and I have I've seen the benefits of tick-tock so much more than when I was using, read it. Speaker 1 Yeah, well, I guess that kind of wraps up Speaker 2 all the questions I had about. Promoting one question that I got was, what are your goals in life? And what about life after only fans? Speaker 1 Yeah. And well, I've always wanted to travel more full-time /, more part, time in my life. And so, I'm kind of Getting the chance to do that this summer. Another thing I've always wanted to do more of is like perform poetry, which I used to do quite a bit before the pandemic. So that's something I definitely want to get back into and I'm hoping to honestly be able to do that on my travels. So I guess there's that and I guess if I were to do anything in this moment after only fan fans, it would probably be some sort of like life mentoring or life coaching because I just get really excited like talking to people about things that they want to do in their life. And I think with the right certification and potentially going back, maybe not to college school but there's other certification courses that you can take with that. After I got that under my belt, I think that would be something I would really enjoy and would really fulfill me. So in this moment I think that's what I would do. But that's even something I could do alongside only fans but I'm not, I've never really thought about an after yet. Speaker 2 So I think it's I think it's crazy that people always asking. I mean I think it's fascinating that people always asking what about after only fans, what are you going to do when the money stops and And people are generally curious, and I think for both of us, we've kind of set ourselves up to be prepared for the future. I'm constantly prepared for only fans to end today, like I'm prepared to get on my phone. Yeah, you see? That only fans either band my account or band sex workers. So, at all times, I'm prepared to no longer have This stream of income or this, you know, online presence. So for me, I do have a lot of goals outside of only fans. I have I always say I have like two full-time jobs because I also run a farm on top of only fans. And so I do enjoy that a lot. And I plan on growing and expanding my agriculture business is much as I possibly can just because it brings me so much. Story. And then I have other goals of like, starting a non-profit and that's part of why I've gone back to school for public budgeting and strategic planning. So that way, someday I have the education knowledge and now the income to be able to support a non-profit and it's definitely scary to think of life after only fans just because it is such a huge part of our Lives now, but it's fun. It's mmm, Speaker 1 100%. Yeah, there are so many things, I think I've put so much into it last year. And I think I've gotten to the point the past few months, I've just been, like, rethinking a bunch of things and like, not that there will be an after soon. But I'm thinking more and more about what I can do outside of only fans lately. And it is Really exciting because like I think when you're focusing solely on only fans you're almost in this really big bubble of all that it is. So then when you take a step back and you have all this income that you've worked so hard for and you realize that there's so much more you can do like the nonprofit like following your art passions or just whatever. I think it's it's amazing that only And has given so many people that opportunity to be able to you know, work hard while they can while it's still here while it's still accepts us and then but also be working towards a different future that would not have been possible without us for sure. It's Speaker 2 definitely one of the perks is being able to plan your future while you're still working. Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. This is actually a question from me to you. So, I've experienced a little bit of a dip in my income, since January nothing, terrible. But at first, when it first started happening, I felt very anxious because I felt like I needed to be making and hitting these numbers that I was hitting at the end of 2021 to even Continue like making my podcast or networking with other models or feeling like I was still at the top of my game and then I realized mentally that that was just really unhealthy for me. And having that feeling that I was like, only worth listening to, if I was like, overly succeeding with those numbers and then taking a step back, you know, to realize that I wouldn't even want to network with. People that only valued me because I was super successful and of course I still want to be successful but I guess your definition of success changes over the course of time. And but do you find yourself feeling any sort of pressure to stay at the top of your game? Bring in the income that you do? Start the trends that you do even if you don't want them to actually turn into Trends? They just seem too. But do you ever feel that pressure to continue doing it? The way you have been either from yourself or even other models, since you have such a large following that looks up to you Speaker 2 so heavily. Yeah, I think it's definitely fun to talk about your highs and talk about. Oh I hit this brand new Milestone or I'm so successful. Things are going really great, but a lot of us shy away from talking about the downsides and most of my conversations about income or subscriber, count or my happiness are on. Twitter and I don't want to talk about the Downs on my social media platform that I'm using to promote. Because if I'm saying, oh my subscriber count drop today, people might not subscribe because they can be like, well, man, does her stuff sack? Why are people leaving when really an up and down in subscriber, count is totally normal, small creators experience, it large craters experience. It and it typically has to do with the fact people are subscribed for 31 days and if you were really We popular on Tick, Tock say you had a million views on one video, 31 days ago and you gained a bunch of subscribers. You're going to see a drop when that 31 days hits and for some people that can be a mentally alarming. And I know for me my first big drop was oh, what was it last summer? I hit 20,000 followers on my paid only fans last summer and I was so excited. I was tweeting about it, I literally could not believe it and then One days. After that, huge growth, my subscriber count started dropping by like 500 a day, which, you know, a lot of those people were re subscribing, but some were not, and I went from 20,000 to down to, like 15,000 within one or two weeks. And I was like, dang near in tears. I don't think I actually cried, but I was definitely like, oh my gosh, it's all family and I work so hard and now I can't make Maintain it was a fluke. Basically I just thought like I had hit my Pinnacle and I was on the downhill slide and I listen to a podcast at that time and it was a guy who did Real Estate and he was talking about the real estate market and how he makes this podcast because he makes all this money. But lately he hasn't been making money. So he doesn't feel like he should be talking about real estate because he's no longer at the top of his game and he decided screw that ups and downs happens. I'm going to talk about how I'm going to start. The bottom again and work way, way back up top. And I found that podcast really interesting because he was so vulnerable with the downside of his business and I was kind of inspired to, you know, what, screw this. I'm going to make 5 more Tick-Tock accounts. I'm going to start posting three times a day on every single one of those Tick-Tock accounts. So that way I have no excuse and I was able to break past that 20,000 and hit 40,000 subscribers, which I never even imagined would be possible. And then obviously now my Subscriber count, dips below. Forty thousand all the time because I'm constantly bouncing up and down on my tic toc videos. And for some people, I think the emotions of only fans can really affect your daily life. And for me, I really try not to let it affect my daily life, but there are funks that people can get into. And there are definitely times, especially around my time of the month. This sounds so weird, but my EMS is not like rage. It is depression about three days before my period, I will go into an extreme low. And I know it's because of, you know, my hormones but every month three days before my period. I will have three days of extremely lows and then as soon as my period starts, I'm going to great mood and I'm every time, I'm like, oh my God, you're so dramatic and my why did why did you let it affect you like that but that's, you know, it's okay to acknowledge your emotions and Definitely, there is a pressure, mostly. I think we all put a pressure on ourselves, but there is a slight pressure for me as a creator app or influencer. As I like to call myself, there is a little bit of pressure from outside sources, just because I have a lot of people ask me questions or looking up to me and not that I want to like, you know, disappoint people. But I definitely want to just constantly be encouraging to people, so I don't like to talk about. The downsides as much on my social media, but yeah, it definitely exists there, our highs, and our lows and having your subscriber count drop or your income significantly, lower is not fun and it's not something we like to talk about in the industry because talking about the negatives doesn't gain you new subscribers. I guess so. Speaker 1 I'll be back going. Yeah there is a big like don't complain on Twitter because people don't like people who complain like they're not going to see a tweet that you complained about something and then go subscribe to you. But if you know they see a tweet that you just had a great orgasm, they're exactly subscribing. So Yeah. Yeah, it is and but I think platforms like this on a podcast and that's one of the happier Reasons. I'm glad I ended up doing a podcast is because I feel like I had a space to be able to be a little bit more vulnerable without thinking like this is going to be detrimental to my income or something. So if you are feeling that way at least like talking to some other models and And I've found that really helpful to like talking to other people who I mean, not everyone's also going to be having a lower month, but if you're talking to someone and they're like, oh yeah, my subscriber count dropped a little too, or whatever. It does feel a little better. When you know, you're not alone in it or you're not doing something wrong, it's just maybe a weird time of the month or weird. Things are happening in the world or glitches are happening on only fans. Like, there's just so many Things that can go into it and yes you do need to take responsibility if you are lacking and stuff too. But you don't need to take all of the responsibility because that's just yeah an accurate to how business works and it can be really hard to get over that but Speaker 2 yeah there's highs and every business not just only fans, every industry has highs and lows so I think it's important to think of your own The fans as a business. So they're a good quarters or bad quarters. Good days, bad days. Just keep moving forward and think about what you can change to improve your situation. Whether it's mentally doing therapy or the whether it's business-wise promoting differently. There's always a way you can make a change internally or externally. Speaker 1 Yeah. And sometimes taking a step back is like what you need like, I Did intentionally take a step back in March. And I realized I needed to change some things up and I started streaming and I actually really love streaming and have found it to be really fun and I never would have thought that I would have liked that. So sometimes when those things are nudging at you, it can mean that maybe you need to change something up for the better eventually. But we've been talking so Speaker 2 long. Yeah. Do you want to just give any final advice? Yeah, I think at the end of the day Speaker 1 pic like, Three to four topics of your life that you might be pretty passionate about or something. You maybe want to get into more. It's gardening. If it's poetry, if it's like Three or four different topics and then highlight them somehow in all of your content and it'll make you really unique. It'll make you stand out, it'll help you dive deeper into things. You're interested in and find other subscribers and people that you can have ongoing conversations with about things, you're interested in and you won't seem like a copycat, you won't be Feeling like you almost have a certain amount of things that inspire you, and I think that's what's really worked for me is pretty much every season. I kind of re-evaluate my like hit topics for That season and those are things. I'll be focusing on just to see if there's other people out there interested in them and if I can, maybe make content with them and in different ways and it keeps you need. Eek, it keeps you authentic to yourself and keeps you from accidentally coughing a bunch of people because it can be accidentally easy. Some people do it intentionally and that's just wrong. But I think constantly kind of like focusing on your own interests and passions and incorporating them into your brand. Are what helps you stand out and Speaker 2 makes That's definitely something. I just want to reiterate from my final advice is do what is natural to you. If you are making content throughout your daily life, that is not forced. That is natural. It's what you actually enjoy doing. You're not only going to find it easier to maintain and be able to post consistently. You're actually going to find it more enjoyable for me that's doing outdoor content. I didn't take that content right away. A lot of my photo shoots in the beginning were forced out. I would put on lingerie, I would set up a tripod in my bedroom and I would get frustrated because I didn't think I was as sexy as some of these girls and it's because I was trying to be these other girls. And then on Reddit, I started posting in the subreddit, our country girls and I noticed just taking simple sexy photos while I was at work. While I was horseback riding those were the ones that were getting me the most success. Not only because I enjoyed taking them but because it's spotlighted and My true life and who I actually was and that's something that anyone could emulate their life and I know some people are like, my life is boring, there's nothing I do, that's fun, then sweetheart, get a hobby. Yeah, yeah. I mean, Speaker 1 I've actually, I kind of want to get into a YouTube soon. So I've been like watching a bunch of like how to do a YouTube. Channel and stuff. And that has been brought up a lot that, like, a lot of vloggers will be like everyone says, they're so boring. And I'm literally over here, just opening up my water bottle, like just incorporate your day. Like, for some reason, the boring things seem really interesting to other people like stop like having a crisis about, you know, not doing the biggest grandest things all the time, just do you and put it online and that's That people are interested in their interests, one Speaker 2 girl that itty-bitty. So back was like all I do is stay at home with my kids and order stuff on Amazon. And I was like, great do a video of you fucking the Amazon driver. I mean, obviously it was her husband dressed up in an Amazon uniform but it went viral on Tick Tock. So I mean, take anything in your life and yeah get sexy and then you don't have to force it. So I guess that's my final advice. I'm so glad that I got to collaborate and Answer some of these questions. I think we both have two different views on the industry. We definitely have kind of even though we've kind of started at similar times and we've both been very successful. I think we both have taken different things away from only fans, and I think it's important for people to realize that it's not a linear Journey. Everyone's journey is different and it's about finding what makes each of us happy for you. That's traveling for me, it's getting to experience more of my life farming and growing that Avenue of life. So I think I hope people take that away from this little podcast. Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, I'm really glad we got to chat today and I alrighty, thank you, see you soon?