Chasing The Devil - Franklin, Louisiana

This week, in Franklin, Louisiana, an awkward meeting between an ex-couple leads to chaos, carnage, cold-blooded murder, a 100-mile-an-hour chase, and a survivor who can only be described as a living miracle. Welcome to Small Town Murder. Hello everybody, and welcome back to Small Town Murder. Yay! Yeah, indeed, Jimmy. Yeah, indeed. My name is James Petrigallo. I'm here with my co-host. Now, I'm Jimmy Wittsman. Thank you, folks, so much for joining us this week, and another absolutely wild, crazy addition of Small Town Murder. This is one of those just crazy. It just keeps unraveling into more and more chaos. Crazy stuff can't wait to get to that. Whatever we do, head over to shut up and give me murder.com, get your tickets to live shows. Everybody, let's do this. Our next set of shows is October 16th in San Jose, and the 17th in Sacramento, get those. Got dammit right now. Fill them up. Fill them up. And by the way, they'll be different shows. 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Maybe we're not for you, but I give it a shot just in case. It may not be exactly what you think it is. So that said, I think it's time everybody to sit back. What do you say here? Clear the lungs. As I've been doing for two weeks since I've been sick. Clear the lungs here. What do you say? Arms to the sky. Let's all shout. Shut up and give me murder. Let's do this everybody. What do you say? Okay. Let's go on a trip, shall we? Where are we going? Louisiana, everybody. Yeah. We are going down the Franklin, Louisiana. That's Franklin with an eye, not a Y. Is it their Baton Rouge? It's Southern Louisiana. And we'll get to where it is here. But it's the actual little tiny nook of a place. Kind of inside Franklin that this takes places Verdunville. But it doesn't have its own stats or anything. Because it's kind of the addresses are all technically Franklin. So we just leave it as Franklin. This is in Southern Louisiana. It's about an hour 45 to New Orleans. So then you go kind of up. It's about two hours to Baton Rouge, something like that. About four hours to Houston in the other direction. Totally. Yeah. And an hour 45 to, was it Laplace? Is that how you set it? Where Laplace, yeah. Whatever it was. Episode 691, a big ball of death. So that's our last Louisiana one. This is in St. Mary parish. Remember there's parishes not counties down there. Area code 337. And a little bit of history. Franklin was named. Are words different from parishes? No idea. Parishes are counties. Words are sections of cities, I believe. Or sections of the county. Sections of something. Yeah, but the parish is the county. And then the wards are within that. Because New Orleans has like a bunch of different wards. So I think that's sections of a city. Yeah. I think I am not positive. I just make sense. I just listen to a lot of Master P. Yeah. It's all this. That's the ninth word. It was wards. Yeah. History here. Franklin was named for what Jimmy? Oil. Benjamin Franklin. Franklin. That's right. Founded in 1808 as Carlin's settlement. A French born pioneer named Joseph Carlin and his family were here. And it became the parish seat. It was incorporated in 1820. Basically, this was sugar cane plantations down here. So they still have plantation houses, which is creepy. I mean, pretty, but also like. They are really beautiful. They're nice, but I mean, not, I don't know, just creeps me out. Historically. Creeps me out of it. Stained. Yeah. Yeah. I guess steam boating became a thing. So this became an interior sugar port. And these were some of the wealthiest agriculture people in the south here from sugar by the way. I mean, it was huge. They had grand big mansions. They built in Franklin. It's wild here. Is it on the coast? Is that what this is? It goes inland the way the water goes there. There's no real hard coast. It's all kind of pieces. So it's all swampy marquee. It's an interior port, they call it. So it's not on the whatever, but you can get to the ocean from there. During the Civil War, the Battle of Irish Bend, which is also known as Nursons Woods, was fought near Franklin in 1863. Later, the railroad came in and it became a sawmill town. Turns out sugar is not as profitable when you have to pay people to pick it or cut it. There are a lot of trees down here. I don't know. There's trees somewhere and they're going to fucking saw them up over here either way. I mean, there's a lot of trees and like Mississippi and shit too. I assume northern Louisiana is probably the same. There are woods. Probably plenty of, I mean, not right by the coast, but you can truck them in a little bit probably. Reviews of this town has 3.1 stars on niche, by the way. That's not positive. That is not a good, that's Chinese food you devoid. Here's five stars. Franklin is a very smell family. Smell family. Smell family. Not small family. Smell family. It's a very smell family oriented town, everybody. Everyone really knows everyone in this town. So much that if visitors come over here, we do, we know who they are. That's disturbing. Yeah. I don't like that. Because you can't smell them. You can't smell them. He don't smell like a local. I can promise you, if you don't know them, then my mom and uncle or cousin knows the individual. So if you don't know them, someone in your family does, basically. Not the visitors, someone else. One of the main drawbacks of living in this town is there's not a lot of things for children to do. Every single one of these towns says that. Yeah. Yeah, stop. That's why they run away screaming as soon as they can leave. So put some shit in for kids. It's not fun for the youth. No. Three stars. Franklin is a place that is very homey. It's a city where everyone knows everyone. Franklin isn't the best place for a young teen like myself. So we got a team here. I am young and full of adventure. I love that line. But Franklin only offers grocery stores and fast food places. Sorry, huh, sorry, yeah. Get your fucking whitewash out for that fence and go help fucking go help your boy We don't even have places for little kids to enjoy. I would put some enjoyment in Franklin because it's because it is dry dry No fun to be had Three stars finally. There is little opportunity here. There are a few stores if you do not know someone in the system in Franklin Chances are you will not be able to find a gameful job. Many people leave here to branch out for a better life In the system in the system. Yeah, basically And we get a lot of this with these small towns too. It's like well if you have you're not cousins with the sheriff You don't get no job and this and that's but all these little town. They're all little boss hog fiefdoms all these weird towns Or the fucking sewer. Yeah, everybody knows everybody now people in this town 6,800 11 So not very many that's small whole area there Way more women than men 52.4 percent women, which is odd for a town with over you know a thousand people anything Yeah, 38 is the median age, which is the same in the rest of the country The marriage rate is super low here. Usually it's 50 50 here. It's 34 percent Single with children 35 percent which is normally about 10 percent Race in this town 35.4 percent white 56.8 percent black 0.7 percent Asian and 5.1 percent Hispanic Religion is thriving here 55.2 percent of the people here are religious. It's normally 50 50 and Here in Louisiana is the one place in the South that is flipped Southern Louisiana. It's Catholic is actually the highest. Wow. Yeah 33 percent of the people here are Catholic Whereas if you go outside of Southern Louisiana, it immediately drops to 0.3 percent everywhere down there So it's interest is voodoo. Yeah, everything else is yet in here. There is a or Baptist, which same thing whatever same same I mean, what's a difference makes it's all the same shit. Exactly. What's the difference 0.0 percent Jewish here 0.0 percent a lot of things median household income here $33,390 a year household that thing that's Something that is wow That's disturbing almost like how the fuck do you even how do you do that like I guess that's a lot of debt? I don't I don't know debt. That's just you're not making any money. I don't think there's any money That's what I mean. You gotta be you gotta be in debt to live. Yeah, well the cost of living actually not that bad here Cost of living 100 is regular average here. It's 78 which you go still, you know, it's got to be fucking 45 The median home cost is what makes this possible Yeah, median home cost here is like from the 70s. This is the early 80s 90,100 dollars is the median home cost So if you're making more than a third of your home cost most people don't make more than a third of their home cost so That's actually not bad that way. What does that entail? But I don't know how you eat grand, you know what I mean, I don't know how you eat I don't know how you pay for insurance in a hurricane area. I don't know how you do all that kind of thing Well, I've looked here and I found so many houses under $100,000. It's not even funny. They're not great places. Don't get me wrong Yeah, but I mean a hundred so well, tell you what if you are interested in this and you want to move to Franklin We have for you the Franklin Louisiana real estate report everybody All right, your first house here actually averaged two bedroom rentals $890 a month Which seems excessively high when you can get Houses for cheap like Andy Grant. Yeah, here is a three-bedroom two-bath. This is not a trailer. It's an actual house 2022 square foot house It's a little fucked up on the inside. I'm not gonna lie I mean on the outside it looks like a house. It doesn't look like it's gonna fall over on it's great Like all the kitchen tiles are all broken up and like smashed and like so it's half-started It has like real-old metal cabinets like you'd need to do a lot in there, but metal But it's on a half acre lot 44,700 dollars for that though That's crazy. You can't get a mid-range used pickup truck for $47,000 or $44,000 Sounds like I mean you could put 40 grand in that house and make it Liveable. It's incredible. So it's it just had a price cut of $4.3,000 to Here's a three-bedroom two-bath 1798 square foot move-in ready really nice wood floors and wood floors are really pretty actually It's a nice little house 17 not even little 1800 square feet But it looks like a box and I guess it goes back further Yeah, not bad at all 90,000 dollars Wow, and it just had a $7,000 reduction as well. Yeah, and then finally you're living it up. You have you have Planted all the sugar here. Yeah, you can have here four-bedroom three-bath 4,240 square foot house. Wow It's on 2.8 acres or 2.06 acres It's got a big yard and it's backed up to water. I don't know what the hell this water is But it's that extraordinary custom-built waterfront home except exceptional craft craftsmanship premium materials and modern amenities and It is $999,000 No, no, I don't think to get malaria. Yeah, to get that's what it looks like You can just see things breeding in that water. Yeah, all sorts of shit chiggers and better Mosquitoes off mister that you walk through constantly go outside things to do here The buy-you-tesh black bear festival Okay, that's like all right. I didn't know there was black bears. It's about not John right no T. E. S. C. H. E our C. H. E. T. E. C. H. E. Tesh. I looked up the how to pronounce that because I didn't all right Apparently the mission of the bear festivals to educate the citizens of St. Mary parish and the surrounding area about the Louisiana Black bear a species listed by the U. S. Fish and Wildlife Service as threatened Under the guidelines of the endangered species act. So the Louisiana black bears threatened. Yeah, like up here There's tons of black bears in New York tons of them. Yeah people There's only a black bears are brown bears. They're brown over there. There might be black bears. I'm not sure Here, they're very common to like pop up in people's yards. There's tons of videos of like hey, there's a bear in my yard Like when we first moved in the my neighbors thought our dog was a black bear Benny the big Connie Corso They got scared he didn't get shot, huh? They looked out were like oh shit And they were gonna tell us about it then they saw it coming in and us petting it. They were like okay, that's a dog It's not a black I thought it was like a small black bear The festival features all of the activities associated with a typical Louisiana festival. That scares me Music food and good company good company. I've never heard that advertised in a fucking festival before But also includes field trips educational exhibits and children's activities relating to bears As and the many other natural resources found in southern Louisiana named the number one best new event in 2006 Oh 20 years ago for 20 years. This has been the best new thing by the Louisiana Association of fairs and festivals Which I have no idea there was a governing body there none Oh Louisiana's got one so they are extremely excited it says here It says we are so excited to officially announce the live music lineup for this year's festival Then it says headliner alert Is it ludicrous is it ludicrous? I don't know a local favorite is back in all caps And getting the band back together just for you all caps Rick Buga B.U.GGA Buga Wayne Dacia and Brian Brian's even going to be back. Well that's gonna show me we're gonna fly it out there for this one because I think this is very important to Brian's there Are reuniting for a special performance and helping them out on stage will be chase Landry Okay This if you remember they when they used to play together you're already know this is going to be one you don't want to miss And if you've never seen them who the fuck are they who what's the band name they haven't mentioned that at all I know Brian's gonna be there I can't believe you don't remember oh you'll love the music leading up to the headliner all local favorites all Shit bands that are local bring the best fam or bringing the best family tunes all morning and in between sets is DJ Shannon Bork Okay next up chase Landry and Brittany pool is a duet is always a crowd favorite back again and bringing the great music set as they always do is Scott birdette and Brad Clements Oh my have you heard any of these people no okay, I was just checking because you never just Southern Louisiana people and I guess the big headliner we can finally find out only by looking at the schedule to see who the fuck those work Because they didn't tell us from five to seven p.m. Don't ask we'll be playing I guess that's don't don't you dare don't ask that's where you get Rick and Buga and you know Wayne and Brian and the rest of the crew are going Don't ask don't ask - Who we are. So yeah, that's what's going on in this town here. Downtown Franklin on Tesher Drive, live music all day. By the way, the live music starts at 9am. Jesus Christ, that's the coveted spot. - I need somebody's house. - That's the coveted spot right there, all the beds. They really wanna be out in the sun at 9am to play music. That's the spot that wakes up the neighbors. - Oh, that's fucked up. I think everyone's up down there probably. - The late sleepers, you know, there's somebody who sleeps till 10. - God, those poor bastards. Well, crime rate in this town, what we are interested in here, property crime almost double the national average. So that's not good, that seems like a lot. And then violent crime, murder, rape, robbery, and of course assault, the Mount Rushmore of crime is about one third high. It's a little bit high, not double, but it's getting there, not wonderful. Too high, too high, let's just say. That said, let's talk about, oh, fucking wild occurrence here, that took place. Just some, wow, this is crazy. I was reading this, the court document for this and I'm like, there's more, like more crazy shit just kept happening. I'm like, oh my God, this isn't sane. So, let's go back to 2001, okay? Not too far among, I mean a long time ago, 25 years ago, but not, you know, black and white times anyway. So, let's talk about Kimberly Zimmerman. Now Kimberly Zimmerman, she's about 30 years old here. She's married, she has three small kids at the time. And apparently in the beginning of the summer, she's pregnant by the way during this in 2001 time. She's pregnant by her husband. But there's about a three or four month period which she was separated from her husband during the summer of 2001, while she's pregnant. Okay. Now during that time, she gets involved in another relationship here. Maybe they're separated, whatever. The guy she chooses though, not a great choice. Let's just say, Donald Lee Lieger Jr. L-E-G-E-R is Lieger. He's 32 years old at the time and he has got quite the fucking background. Maybe I don't know if she was looking for some excitement or what, but he's a wild guy. First of all, a little bit about his past years. His father's completely alcoholic and abusive. Pretty much all the siblings besides one will be a fucking mess from his family. There's always one that figures it out. If there's a really good family, let's say there's like a doctor and they have five kids. One of them will be a complete fuckup. Oh for sure. And if you're a shit family and you have five kids, one of them will do good things. And the rest of the four will fall like the wild, wonderful whites. The one guy went to Minnesota. His kids had braces. Like he was changed, he was breaking the cycle, but everybody else was a fucking mess, you know? - Yeah, they had clothes that they bought. They had price tags on them. - Exactly, and in every rich, there's always a narrowed-to-well Kennedy kid and every one of their little families too out of all their kids. There's always one that's a piece of shit. And it's a rapist or a moron or a fucking, you know, worse when we're finding it. So anyway, they had the abusive alcoholic father. He's kicked out, Donald is, at the age of 16, which is, he had just completed the 10th grade, but then he drops out of school 'cause he's not living at home anymore. - Yeah, 'cause it's hard to get there. - Now several years later, he'll get a GED, actually. And he'll end up somehow, as we find out, what he's been, what he's gonna do for the next 10 years, somehow getting about two years of college in between a bunch of shit, Clay community college or whatever, but college, he went to school. That's good, more than I did. So good for him. He had several different jobs, but never anything steady. Never could find anything and stick with it. He was a welder's helper, an electrician's helper. These jobs that if you stick with it, you can apprentice and end up doing that. - Oh yeah. - Especially. Shit, you'll never be rich, but you'll never be hungry. - He'll always make your living, you'll always, that's the problem with those jobs though. You'll never be rich, you'll never be hungry, but you'll have to work till you're fucking 75 years old. You'll never stop working, which sucks. - You will be at work when, before the sun comes up and you'll be at work when the sun goes down. - And it's a physical job. We only know this 'cause our families are comfortable with that type of shit. You walked around with a fucking wand, you didn't do shit. We talking, you're out of my house half the time you were getting paid. Stop acting like you did hard work. You did not. - You thought I was the boy of all that. - The union work for hours and hours and hours on end. (laughing) - I did it. - Which was hanging out at my house. Sitting on the couch talking about comedy and writing jokes together. That's what we were doing. - Well Jimmy was getting paid. - But I was wearing FR clothes when I did it. - You did show up in your work truck in Parker room. People must have thought our electricity was a disaster at my house. Why is the electric company always at these people's houses? - Yes, it's always open. - Man, they must have problems and they're wiring. What the fuck happened? That's funny. But no, I'm joking, obviously, breaking your balls. But it's that environment though. - Yeah. - And that's different 'cause the electric company, those people could eventually retire. A lot of these people of a, you know, electricians retire eventually. They can usually make a good living. - You get a 401k and a pension. You do very well for a fixed income. There's not much that's better. - No, but you are in retirement. - It's still a job like most jobs where you're paid for your time. - Right. - You're paid for your time. So any job where you're paid for your time, you're never gonna get rich for that from that. - Right. - 'Cause the time is never gonna be there. So that's hard. But at least you could make a goddamn living, but he didn't, he chose not to. - He stops every time it starts to get good. - Well, welders, helper, electricians, helper, pipe fitter, and a plumber's helper. So he went to all the-- - He tried everything. - Every trade he went to. - Wow. - Got in and then they didn't work out for him 'cause he's a fuck up, that's why. - Yeah. - So it sounds like. - So it's not like, you know, we just didn't find the thing he wanted. He tried everything and none of it worked. And these are all very good jobs where he could have supported a family and made a good living for his whole life. - All of those things too, they're a skill, but it's not something that you're born with. It's not talent. - No, you have to learn. - You can learn. - Yeah. - And if you stick with it, you can get really good at it. - Absolutely. - And if you get really good at it, you can make a damn good living. - They can do just fucking fine for yourself. So problem is too, and this might have been an issue with these employment opportunities, is he's getting arrested and off a lot too, is a problem. - Oh. - That's an issue. Several different problems he had, disturbing the peace by fighting, burglary, forgery, battery, theft of over $500, attempted burglary, a lot of things. Here's just a few of his highlights here. Basically has 11 arrests total. Up until 2001 here. On October 30th, 1986, he was arrested and convicted for burglary, which he received three years of supervised probation for, 'cause it was his first offense or his first major offense. January 28th, 1988, I believe while still on probation, he gets arrested for forgery, which isn't good. He received three years prison suspended and three years of unsupervised probation. - It's getting real serious now. - Yeah, 1991 in April, three years over more than three years from that date, luckily for him, he was arrested for disturbing the peace by fighting. Then on October 31st, 1991, so just a few months later, Halloween night, he's arrested for simple battery. November 14th, 1994, he's arrested for theft over $500, to which he was sentenced to six years in prison for that. - Holy shit. - Yeah, now that same day, he also was arrested for simple battery. So simple battery and the theft of over $500. - It also sounds like the court might be tired of his fucking shit. - How would you not be? - You keep seeing this idiot here. Now, one of his arrests, and we're not sure which one, one of his arrests was for fighting his father as an adult. - Nice. - Which is, that's a touch of class right there. If you've ever fought your father, past with certain, really at all, you gotta check yourself. There's some white trash flowing through your goddamn veins and you need to figure that out. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Everything's giving though, I do search out that video of the guy that flips the table and everything on it. - Absolutely, for real. You usually let your dad have a meltdown at that point. You don't fight the guy. So I don't know who was right or anything like that, but he fought his dad and both of them were arrested. So that's pretty fun. - They both got arrested for fighting. - They rarely hitch up too, right? - Especially if their father and son, wouldn't you be like, "That's gay morons." You fucking idiots. - There's usually a victim and then somebody that defended themselves. Did they both throw the first fuck back? - They must have just fucking socked back and forth with rock 'em sock 'em robots beating each other's asses. - I bet it's a good story. - So this guy, as you might imagine, isn't the most stable guy to have a relationship with. It's a bit of a fucking mess. - Yeah. - And he hasn't been out of prison for very long, either in 2001. He was in prison, I think 'til '99 or 2000. So he's in there. Now, this affair goes on between Donald and Kimberly. [BLANK_AUDIO] - Yeah. - Well, and if you have a separation from your wife, you sure hope she doesn't have an affair with this fucking guy, but this is what happened. This affair ends in late November 2001, mainly because Kimberly has her baby. And so it's really hard to have an affair with a brand new mother. That's a tough one. - Yeah, the schedule is kind of tough. - They're a little tightly scheduled and they're at a commission for what, six weeks do they tell you, six to eight weeks? Not to fuck with it. So it's really the affairs, it's a while. Yeah, whatever the fucking case is. She's not in a fair tavern times right now or even relationship, haven't times. This is her fourth child too. And they're all pretty young. Now, so she, this seems reasonable. She's like, I'm gonna get back together with my husband since I just bit my fourth small child out. And they're all his and just seems logical that we try to be a family here. Again, that seems normal. And also, if you were him, expected. - She is a mother and a wife so. - She's not the fourth. - The free sex train might depart. - The free sex with a seven month pregnant woman train might depart also. That's, that's absurd. - That's so wild. And I'd say, if you're seven months pregnant nobody should fuck you but a stranger shouldn't want to fuck you. That's like a weird fetish at that point. - Right, free sex with seven month pregnant woman whose baby is not yours, that's fucking crazy. - You meet somebody, they're seven months pregnant and you're like, yeah, I'm gonna get me some of that. - Not in six months now. - Right. - That's a, in the last seven months she was in a very serious relationship. - The only guys I can think of that would do that, it's 'cause that's a fetish for them. That's a weird fetish, you know what I mean? So you should have your head on a swivel if you're pregnant much like Asian girls do about. (laughs) Asian chicks are very aware of like, you're not fetishized, you're not real into this. Are you like, you're not super in Asian stuff, are you? - Or 28 year olds that look 16. - That's, that's weird. - That's weird too. So he instead of being like, well, that had me fun. That ended, I'll go find some other pregnant woman to hump on. He instead gets real jealous and possessive over her. How dare you, how dare you nurse your child in your living room while your other three kids run around? - With your husband. - With your husband. So he began threatening and harassing Kimberly. Two different times the police were called, even. That's just how bad it is. It's he'll show up, he'll call constantly. He's off the deep end with this shit. - What does her husband do about this? - I don't know how not go kill him. (laughs) Or go punch him in the fucking mouth or something, but this keeps going on and on and on. It's wild. Then that's like late November. So we're talking like, you know, Thanksgiving-ish area around there, November 20-something. Then December 7th, 2001, Donald decides he's gonna buy a gun because he hasn't been quite threatening enough. I don't think that's the problem. He hasn't made his threats clear enough to where I believe is this shit. - Is he allowed to? - I don't know if any of those things were felony. - Okay. - So not positive. He hasn't buy a gun at a store. He buys a- - No, he's gonna buy it from a guy. - He buys a gun from a guy he knows, a coworker of his, a guy named Ricky. Ricky Adams. - Do that a lot. - Yeah, he bought a gun from a guy named Ricky, a grown man that goes by Ricky, who's not Henderson. That's wrong. (laughs) - Something wrong there. You ever met a grown man named Ricky? - Yes. - Yeah, that's what I mean. You know who they are. Well, what's he like? - He's dead. - There you go. - Exactly. - He bought it on a dirt bike when he was 32 because you can't live any longer and be named Ricky. It's just not possible. - Yeah. - There's no 80 year old man named Ricky. Anybody's grandfather named Ricky out there? - He can't, nobody has a grandfather. - No. - You can't be Ricky. It's just, I'm telling you. - Even Ricky Henderson is dead, is he? - He's fucking dead. He aged out. He couldn't do it anymore. (laughs) - He's aged out. - He's a 70. - No. I don't know anybody named Ricky. That's lives past a certain age. So. - My uncle literally went to a drag strip with us with his car and it was one of those run what you brung. That's what they call it. - Yeah. - You get to race whatever car you go. He had a 67-dart, there was a convertible mind. You saw if it rolls, you're in so much drunk. - Yeah, there's no roll bar in the car. - Parts flying around, metal drugs. - You're gonna die. - Yeah. - And they told him that he had to have a helmet if he wanted to race. And he looked at them baffled and he was like, what? - I didn't bring a helmet. And they're like, well then you don't race. He had to literally go buy a helmet off a guy in the pits. - Oh my God. - And he raced his fucking car. If he'd have rolled, then he's dead. - That's why Ricky's. - That's why Ricky's don't live past a certain age. - Yeah, Ricky was willing to do 120 on a quarter mile. - Yeah. - A helmet. (laughs) - That's Ricky behavior. That's the problem. We got Ricky behavior going on. You can't be Ricky, it'd be that old. - Yeah, me and all the trunk is full of course lines. Totally. He's like, oh shit, he hit my car's light stash back there. So he buys a nine millimeter beretta from his work friend here. While he's, this is in the midst of harassing Kimberly and just being a general menace to society. Basically, this guy brought the gun to work on December 7th, gave it to Donald in exchange for $140 in cash and quote, $60 later. - I'll get. - We'll agree on 200. - But it takes the gun. - Yeah, I like the credit. - I'm trying to harass a woman, but I can't afford it at the moment. Can you help me? Can you subsidize my harassment of the woman? - You can't be me for 60. - Trying to terrorize somebody here and it's really difficult with this measly bankroll that I got. Please help me. - Yeah. - So that's how it goes. He's got a gun. December 10th, 2001. It's morning. Now Ricky Adams talks to Donald and he said, "Donald's in a great mood that day." The Ricky's the guy who sold him the gun. He's in a great mood then in the days past 'cause it's been kind of dark since he broke up with Kimberly here. And Donald was telling Ricky that he was quote, gonna go get back together with his girlfriend today and he felt good about that. So he felt real, real good about it. Yeah. So now, by the way, the timing of the baby is I'm not sure about. This is the thing. I don't know if they broke up because she was having the baby or she had the baby before, like-- - At the time. - And they broke up because she was dealing with a newborn, I'm not sure. But either way, they've had sex since she's had the baby. That we know. Okay. We know that because this day, this is by the way, how he's gonna get together with her. She's at the Walmart. - All right. - Yeah. - Kimberly's at the Walmart where she's shopping with her infant daughter. Donald approaches her in the Walmart because I feel like in this area, if you wanna find somebody, start at the Walmart and go from there. - They're probably there, or if not. - If they're not home, check Walmart. - Check Walmart. There, Kimberly says to him that I think I might be pregnant with your child, which I mean, a fifth fucking kid now. - I might be pregnant again? - Again. I would, dude, reach up and tie your own tubes if you have to. This is crazy. You have four fucking kids. I guarantee you just by the measure of this story that no one here is wealthy enough to afford five kids or any of those shit. So anyway, she said, I think I might be pregnant. So they made plans to meet back at Walmart later that evening to purchase a home pregnancy test together. - Well, can we get that now? Why can't you just pick it up? Go home, pee on it. Let me know what's going on. Why do we have to do this? Why does this have to be some weird group activity? Okay. So they left the store, apparently, and drove to a nearby Catholic church parking lot to talk. - Yeah. - They talked for a little bit. Now, Donald was upset because he wanted this baby. - Yeah. - He said, well, if you're pregnant, I want this baby. And she said, I don't want a baby. I don't want to be pregnant. Again, I have four small kids. - And I'm married. - The last thing I need is a fifth kid from some outside source here. - It's certainly going to complicate and cause questions at my house. - It's going to be something. So they agreed to meet later that night at Donald's grandfather's house at 203 Neptune Street in Bayou, Vista, where he was staying. They're going to meet there, then go to the old Walmart together. - Yeah. - Or they're going to the other way around, whatever. So they end up meeting, they go get the pregnancy test, and then both of them come back to the right Bayou Vista here. They're waiting on the results of the pregnancy test, which by the way, do not take that long. They really don't. - Pretty quick usually. - Pretty quick. - Yeah. - You don't have a big window of time. It's not like, well, what are we going to do? All we wait. It's like four minutes, you're fine. - It tells you how long to wait. - It's always so much quicker. - Yeah. So while waiting on the results, he sees this as a perfect window to try to get back together with her and reconcile. - Yeah. - He's like, I got about, I got three minutes. I can close this deal. He tries to persuade Kimberly to reconcile with him and will raise this baby together, which her response is, what about the other four babies I have? Where, who's raising them? What are we talking about here? 'Cause she's not a dummy like he is this one. So. Anyway, Kimberly insisted, "No, I'm going back to my husband. I'm not having another baby." Doesn't matter what this test says, there's no one more babies coming out of me. And I already have four young kids and I'm going back to my husband and basically forgetting any of this shit ever happened with you. So I'm wiping it all clean here. So they had this, they basically, she went, peed on the thing, they left it in the bathroom, they went out and talked, he tried to convince her to get back together, she said no. So then Donald goes back into the bathroom and gets the test and brings it out for Ken. The test indicates that she is not pregnant. Wonderful. Thank God. She's not pregnant. Now we get to all walk away. Okay. He is super upset about this. He thought he had really ensnared her, got a touch in her, yeah, he's, he's like, I bought a crib already and I, you know, I figured yellow because, you know, and I don't want to do blue pink. We don't know the sex yet. So I just did a neutral, I did go ahead, diapers, pre me through three, two, so I mean, let's do it. No, the test indicates she's not pregnant. He says quote, I hope you're happy now. Okay. She was like ecstatic as a matter of fact. Yes. Yeah. Then Donald tries to persuade her to have sex with him. She's like, no, I just dodged that bullet. I'm not going to get back in this fucking circle with you. He was like, well, I didn't get it last time. Let me get it this time. Yeah. She said, no, I'm planning on reconciling with my husband. This is when he kept, okay, this is the weirdest part of this whole story for some reason. You got to remember the time it is. And if you're very young, we'll explain it to you in a moment of why this is significant and ridiculously fucking stupid and funny. He keeps pushing her. She keeps saying, no, I'm going to go back to my husband. He keeps saying this one phrase over and over again. Is that your final answer? Okay. Now, Jimmy Lavers is he registered. He registered. Now if you don't know why, if you're young or whatever, during this time, the biggest show on earth was who wants to be a millionaire. If you don't know what that is, it's a game show. That was a trivia show and Regis filled for some reason, people were obsessed with Regis from like 99 to 2002. So yeah, he would ask a question or before answers and there was different things. You could like take two of the answers away. That was one of the things. You could phone her. Four choices every time. Yeah. You could phone a friend. That was one of the options. You could only do that once. You could whatever. 50/50. Then you can pull the audience. You can pull the audience. That was the other one. So basically in the end, if you won and you won a million dollars, if you made it through the whole thing. That's the idea. Or you could get to a question. You don't know and leave with whatever you've won so far. That was the hook here on it. Now, the big thing was they'd say, I think it's C. I'm going to go with C and Regis will go. And does that your final answer meant that that was it? At that point, you've taken your hand off the chest piece. And if you're wrong, you lose all your fucking money. That was the point. So much so. Yeah. So much so that people would answer and say final answer, the very first answer. Yeah. Final answer. So he didn't have to go. And in society, the phrase is that your final answer was. It was like the 2001 version of like, yeah, baby, Shaggedellick, like fucking some sort of Austin Powers reference from years before that, like it was, it was huge. Was, is that your final answer before or after you are the weakest link before weakest link coming out after that? That's what I mean. So he's, I would love it if he then instead of, is that your final answer over and over. If he went to other game shows, he's like, survey says, and she's like, no, still no. Many calls are the weakest link and tells her goodbye and then we just go from that on. Yeah. I miss who wants to I miss Regis. Regis really. I don't miss Regis at all. At the end of his life was the most successful. He must have given a shitload of money to somebody. He did great from like, he was married for like 50 years the same way, the same woman, same woman, yeah, forever. But he, he was huge and like from like the mid 90s to like 2005, you could not get rid of fucking Regis. Couldn't shake him. Yeah. And I wanted to shake him. And he couldn't shake him. Yeah. Yeah. So Scotty fifth and defense. You couldn't shake him. Oh, you could not shake. Fucking on you, dude. Fucking on you. Like Randy Brown and fucking 95 just all over your shit. So yeah, Kimberly said she's, he's kept saying he wanted to get back, back together. And she said, I'm not having sex with you. I'm going back to my husband in Mississippi, not even in the state. Oh my God. He's so far away from home for this like two and a half hours away at the very least. Wow. Um, Kimberly said he kept saying, is that your final answer? And then I didn't want it to have to come to this. He kept saying. And then saying, what show is that? I didn't want it to have to come to this. Oh, we're very sorry. That's not the correct answer. So then out of nowhere, apparently he pulls out a nine millimeter handgun. I bet a barredo if I had to guess, uh, from the top drawer of his dresser. It's the one he had bought from the coworker there. And he said, I didn't want it to come to this pointed at that, at Kimberly and said, quote, I bet you'll make love to me now, won't you? Oh my God. I bet I bet I can rape you at gunpoint now, huh? And that's a crazy fucking statement. Okay. So shit is obviously getting very serious. Okay, um, basically Donald tells her, quote, I know exactly where I'm going to take you. Don't like that. I'm going to kill you. He tells her, I'm going to put you and your van in the water and nobody's ever going to find you. Oh my God. She has like a baby blue van that she has. He then ties one of her hands with a tie wrap. They said, I don't know what that is exactly. She started to struggle. So he threw her on the bed and put a knee in her back in order to bind her wrists together, which is brutal, um, absolutely brutal. Then he, I guess with tie straps, I think they're tie downs for like a car is what he's using, like a pickup truck tie downs or something. They keep calling tie straps in the paper. Those are, yeah, that's a tie down. That's not a zip tie. When he grabs, and this is a crazy thing also, quote a crown royal bag full of bullets. That's how he carries that's that's where he keeps them. Some people like a, you know, a Rambo thing across the chest, he says, crown royal bag. It's classy or that way that velvet sack, you know, like a college kid with his weed. Yeah. Exactly. Thinking it's classy to keep it in there. It's velvet. It's so fucking funny. If you know, ladies, if your man keeps anything in a crown royal bag, he's trash anything, anything. Get the fuck out of that. I don't care what it is. Get out now spare change is say no is a golden pouch, no, a golden rope pouch. Get the fuck out. We know that guy is why we're warning you. He is fresh and he'll pull a gun out and say, I bet you'll have sex with me now. That's that guy. He has ammo in the crown royal bag. Just a sack of it, a sack full of bullets, loose bullets just to, why do you think the box was a bad idea? I'm going to carry in this. The box is perfect for it. What are you doing? Inside the box, there's a plastic rack that they put perfectly, perfectly how they're supposed to be. This guy went, not just dump them in a crown royal sack because I'm classy. What an asshole. So then on the way, they're in their kitchen, on the way out to the van. He then tapes or mouth closed, which terrifying again. Then he starts saying, quote, all I have to do is aim and shoot. I can't go back to prison. Oh my God. So I'm going to kill you. I'm going to put you in the water. No one's going to find you. All I have to do is shoot you. This is, you're terrified if you're this Kimberly at this point. Then he grabbed a pair of white cotton gloves with black dots on them, you know, gardening gloves. Oh, that like your mom would wear, you know what I'm saying? I was seeing no four fingered Mickey Mouse gloves. These are literally gardening gloves from just the gardening section at Walmart that you get. But the black dots on the top to get grip. That's what he grabs. That's his crime gloves. Okay. Then he seat belts her into the van's front passenger seat, which I assume anybody driving would see a handcuffed woman with her mouth taped shot in the front seat of a van. And that's scary, right? So he, wow, I don't even know what's going on here. He, wow, I can't believe, oh, by the way, he also, before they got out there, he did cut the tape off. He grabbed a knife to cut a piece of duct tape. Oh, no, he put it on. That's what he grabbed the knife. She thought she was getting stabbed instead. He cut a piece of duct tape. And that's when he duct taped her mouth because she was, quote, screaming and crying. Oh boy. You know, like you, how dare she'd be scared and he told you you're going to murder her in the woods after you rape her, probably. So with the knife and gun in his hand here, they're in the van. Here we go. It's a Ford minivan. they drive a store, one of those. Yeah, four did the wind star and the aero star was the aero star. Yeah, the Astro was the Astro van was just shove. Yeah, so they drive a short distance and then he removes the duct tape. Okay, takes a duct tape off and tells her, quote, you have 20 minutes to talk to me. Oh, he really is in the game shows and then he started a big clock in there and it was ticking down really in the game shows. He don't run the light. Yeah, don't do that. You don't want to do that. That's a comic line for you there. So the he then tells her that he's going to kill her or now there's an or or maybe I'll just kill myself. I haven't decided. You got 20 minutes. In the next 20 minutes. You got 20 minutes to decide to talk me into killing myself rather than you essentially. That's that's what he tells her. And again, he said, because I am not going back to prison. That ain't happening. Can't do it. I'm already kidnapped. So she's pleading for her life, obviously. She's telling him anything that he wants to hear. He's telling her, I'll stay with you. Don't worry. Yeah, you're right. I don't know what I was thinking. Yeah, no, me and you will be together. We'll have a family. We'll have a family. Yeah, I want to get pregnant. I can't wait. I'm not going to tell the police. Why would I tell the police about the man I love? Right. So she's telling him everything he wants to hear. He's not buying it though. Oh, no. The first non dumb thing he's done this whole fucking thing is not believe this. You're going to you're going to turn me in. So as Kimberly notices that they're approaching the water. She knows she's fuck now because he said I'm going to leave you in the water. Somehow she manages to get her hands free. Apparently, he didn't tie them very well. He has a fuck up in all of his job. So apparently tying. Maybe that's why he got fired for one of his jobs. Bad time. Perhaps a bungee bungee cords. Not sure exactly what it is, but yeah, basically they're they're near a neighborhood where there's a handful of homes with lights on. She sees this as last fucking chance. Chance to go. Yeah. So she jumps out of the moving van. She pretends like her hands are still behind her back. And then just in one motion opens a door, leaps out of the fucking van. Tom makes the whole deal. Incredible, right? So he snatches at her as she's diving out of the van and grabs her sweater pulling it off. So now she's just in a bra. Now she's in a bra running around crazy in a neighborhood screaming for help in her life. Basically it's just point. So he slams on the brakes. Rather than get out of his side, he climbs over the seat and follows her out the passenger side, which seems like it would take longer. He's not very bright this guy. Until he realizes at that point, the van is rolling forward. Oh, he did not put it in so he reentered the van to stop it. She runs screaming saying, God, please, somebody help me, somebody help me help. He's going to kill me running around. If you're looking for attention, having no shirt on is a great way to get it while screaming at the top of your lungs here. Not that you should do that to get attention, but that'll get people going. There's a shirtless woman screaming in the street. Not help me. She gets to the home of a guy named Steven Andrade, which is about the third home down from where she jumped out of the van. So she screamed for two houses, went up to the door. He's chasing behind her. Apparently he stopped the van and then didn't see where she went. The van was rolling. He got in stopped. It gets out. Now she's already in somebody's house. She's gone. Yeah. He just assumes what what trailer she's in. Oh, because he just goes to the closest one thinking she must have ran there. That is 896 Verdenville Road. Okay, this place. Just before midnight, we are at now. Inside that trailer is a married couple and some kids too. Or one kid. There's two kids that live there, but only one kid is home. First of all, there's Troy, Solone, S-A-L-O-N-E. Troy is 35 years old. He was born December 30th, 1966. He's there with his wife Evelyn Solone. They have four children. They have an older daughter who is the older kids are out of the house, the older too. There's Brandy who is Troy's daughter. There is Heather and Zeb, which are Evelyn's kids from a previous relationship. Heather and Brandy don't live in the house. Zeb lives in the house. Then I think Zeb is 14 at this time. Then they have Mary, who's their only kid together. Little Mary is seven at this point in time. That's who lives in this trailer. Zeb said that Troy came into their lives when Zeb was eight and he said at first it was strange to have another male in the house, but then they got really close and they bond and he said it was the first time I had a father and it was the first time he had a son. So they got very close and had a great relationship. They have something in common. They have something in common, absolutely. Now, just before midnight, Evelyn's about to fall asleep when she hears a woman screaming outside and trailers have very poor sound. Oh, you're talking about it. There's no insulation. And she hears, "Help, he's going to kill me." Which seems like something you should look into. So she believed that Troy, her husband's already asleep, so she went to see what all the commotion was about. Troy had been went to bed about a half hour earlier. Zeb, who's 15 at the time, Zeb Leblanc is his name, by the way, which is a cool name. His whole name is Zeb Leblanc, a fucking cool name, right? It's just like a rock star. Zeb Leblanc sounds like a cool rock star. Anyways, Zeb was also asleep. The seven-year-old Mary was spending the night next door at Troy's mother's house, not the house Kimberly ran to. She's at the third house. That's the second house. Now, she said she woke up Troy to tell him she'd heard the scream. Then she went outside and saw a van with its passenger door open, passing by slowly. Now, she saw him, Evelyn sees Donald and tells him, "Hey, your van's still rolling." You should probably. It's about to roll into that ditch. So that's when he jumped back in the van. That's how he knew it was still rolling away. He didn't notice a bystander told him, "Hey, dumb dumb." "Hey, stupid, your van's rolling." Because she didn't know what the hell's going on. She was just like, "Hey, your van's rolling, dude. You should probably grab that. It's midnight. You just get out of bed." So, Donald is looking for Kimberly, sees Evelyn there at this address and he thinks that Kimberly's inside. So, he starts yelling at Evelyn, "Where is she? Where is she?" Evelyn has no idea. She just heard a woman screaming and came outside, so she has no fucking clue where the hell he is. Is she your arrow star? It's right there. Yeah, where is she? Yeah, you must mean, she must mean your van, I guess. Is there a ship somewhere by the water? Do you have a ship somewhere? So, she doesn't know what the hell he's talking about. So, he said, "Who are you looking for? I don't know who you're talking about." And then, you know, he then pops up at the trailer door and, you know, our Troy comes to the trailer door and says, "What the hell's going on out here? Because he's here, so I'll start to scream." So, then, Donald turns to Troy and says, "Where is she? Where is she?" Now, at this point, he's got his gun out. Donald does. And Troy says, "Put the gun away. There's no need for a gun. Put the gun away. What the hell are we doing here? You know, I don't even know who you are." So, he then points the gun at Evelyn. So, Evelyn, then, wow, Evelyn said, by the way, he could have been talking about a dog for all I knew. I didn't know. She didn't even know he was talking about a person. He said, "Where is she? Could be anything." So, then they said that he reached into the front of his waistband, pulled out the gun and pointed it right at me. Evelyn then assures Troy and says, "He's not going to shoot. It'll be okay." At that point, he fires the gun at Evelyn at point blank range. "Oh, my God." Just very contrary, I'm apparently. He's not going to shoot me, sure I am, pal. She falls to the ground, this poor woman. Yeah, and she said that, you know, I was surprised because I thought surely he was not going to shoot. And then the gun went off. The bullet went through her right forearm and into the right side of her abdomen and exited from her left hip. So, it went all the way through her. Oh, Jesus, it crossed her body all the way through her, which is tore a lot of shit apart, as we'll talk about. She's so lucky to be alive. If she's alive. Well, we'll talk about it. And they said, she said, "I told Troy that I was hit and to go for help." So, Troy turned and to go to the trailer to call for help. Yeah, here comes the run. Fortunately, Donald follows Troy into the trailer. Oh, shit. As Troy reaches for the telephone, Donald shot him one time in the head, drops dead instantly. Oh, no. One shot in the head dead on the floor. Now, during all this, the 15-year-old Zeble Blanc wakes up because he heard Troy screaming something about a gun. That's all he knew. But so he hears a gunshot four or five seconds later. Now by the way, when they went in the house, when Troy went in to get the house to get help, he fired a shot at Troy as he entered the house, they're into the trailers. So he fired a shot and missed him. And then when he got close to him, that's when he shot him. Shot in there. Yeah. And Evelyn said, I could see him going after Troy. And he said, I could hear their feet running through the trailer. And then I heard the gun again. So you know what a running in a trailer also sounds loud. So Zebb in his bed jumps out of bed. He's got a shock on in his room. He gets up and he can't load it because his hands are shaking because he woke up to gunplay basically. So his hands are shaking. He can't load the gun. So he peeks out his bedroom window and tries to see anything he can. He can't really see much, but then he sees Troy lying next to the sofa with blood coming out of his head. Obviously not in good shape. So this is fucking crazy. The shot from the inside, Evelyn said it was, she heard basically everybody uses the back door and the front door makes a terrible scraping noise and they don't use it. Then she heard the unmistakable metal scraping of the front door opening and then a short time later it was closed. She said within seconds, I heard Zebb call out, oh no, Troy. And I heard the fear in his voice and called to him to come outside so he could help. So Troy gets outside or Zebb gets outside, sorry, and she's yelling Troy, Troy, call 9-1-1. He shot me. That's what she's yelling. Zebb attends to his mother, kneels down beside her and asks her what's going on. It's at this point Zebb stood up and here comes Donald towards Zebb and asks Zebb, where is she? Now we know this is a question you have to answer a certain way or else he's going to react. Final answer. Is that your final fucking answer? Yeah, you are the weakest link. So Zebb tells him, quote, just go away, leave us alone. He's 15. He doesn't know. What are you going to say to us? Not your dad and his whole begun on you and your mom's bleeding on the ground. He was still saying, where is she, where is she over and over again? When the man saw Zebb, Evelyn said, he motioned to him with the gun and told him to go back where you came from if you know what's good for you. So he said, go back inside, leave your mother alone. That's when he said, why don't you just leave us alone, leave us alone. Then he started walking away from the property to the van. And he shouts out to the whole neighborhood, quote, Kimberly, I'll be waiting for you at home. And if you know what's good for you, you better come over there and then gets in the van and drives away or tries to drive away, I should say starts to drive away. So yeah, I'll be waiting for you at home and the whole neighborhood heard this by the way. I'll be waiting for you at home. You better fucking come home. I don't know what he thinks is this is how this is unraveling. But now, meanwhile at a neighbor's trailer where Kimberly actually went, she said she heard the gunshots and thought that he killed himself because he said he was going to kill himself if he didn't kill her. So she figured, oh, okay, probably killed himself. So she calls 911 to report that Donald had kidnapped her at gunpoint and is possibly dead now. So she told the dispatcher she believed he'd been shooting at her when she heard gunshots. By this time there'd been not, she's not the only 911 call coming in. Let's put it that way. I imagine. There's screaming gunplay, more screaming, you know, there's plenty of gunshots and gunshots going on with pauses between them. Yeah. There's a 45 minute tape later with calls from her calls from Zeb calls from several other residents, all the 911 calls later on. Now back to April, supercut is 45 minutes long, 45 minutes long of 911 calls from the neighborhood. That is, that's something. So back to Evelyn Shroy and Zeb, he called 911 emergency medical personnel and police are dispatched to the area. This is when it gets real crazy as if it hasn't been crazy enough already. Okay, the police are on the way. Now they've been told there's wounded people. There's dead people, gunplay, all this shit, all we have is a description of a blue van. It left the neighborhood that is carrying the assailant, okay? Now this guy is on his way to this area when he passes a blue van speeding the other direction. One of the cops. So he says, fuck this, makes a U-turn, said let the emergency medical personnel go to those people. On the cops, I'm going for this guy. He turned this. He turns around, starts chasing the van. He is joined by every other officer that has ever wanted to be in a car chase, basically. Yeah. They're chasing a minivan, by the way, and it's the minivan is getting away. They haul ass. This chase lasts for 30 miles. Wow. That is so long for a chase. That's far, yeah. Through cane fields, back roads, I mean, he's not even sticking to roads, man. We're going on. He's going to chase them. Oh, yeah, it's forever. He would also, it's pitch black in the middle of nowhere. He would turn his lights off for a while periodically, hoping maybe that would get them to lose him even though they have spotlights and helicopters and everything else. Several points in it, he's driving 100 miles an hour in a van for 30 miles. So this is a crazy fucking chase. He even, the vehicle got on the US 90 and they put a spike strip down and he avoided that. Got it. Missed it. So he's, this is crazy, okay? He's winning. He's winning. At one point, the cop says here, this is one cop officer, Bodie Barrelu with a, a UX on the end of it there. Oh boy. That is some Louisiana shit. He said that at one point in the shady side area, he was in the left lane, closely behind the van, which was in the right lane when he saw the driver's hand come out of the window and throw something out. Police searched the area most of the next day and didn't find a gun, but they did find a pair of polka dot light gloves. He threw his gardening gloves out. So we're talking St. Mary's Paris Sheriff's Department, the Franklin Police Department, the Morgan City Police Department, everybody's in on this chase. We're all going. Everybody. Hell yeah. So eventually he goes through all this, alluding all these people going through fields, wearing his lights off, all this shit, then he passes, gets up to the Morgan City Police Department, where he pulls into the parking lot, gets out and is arrested without incident. And I've seen people do this before. It makes no sense to me. You know that guy in upstate New York that did that? Yeah. Number of that guy. Yeah. That I showed you the interrogation. I think he ran out of gas. I don't know. I don't know. Like close, he was just like, fucking, I'm going to go to the station. Yeah. I think he was just like, well, I'm not losing these guys. They're just on me. I'm in a minivan. This is, I'm not getting away. But I see the, in the, and it was the exact type of thing too. When this rampage seems like people get in this rampage mode. And then when they cool off, they're like, well, I guess I'll just call into the police station. I mean, that's where they're taking me. Yeah. That there's one in upstate New York where there's this interrogation. The guy's name is Cliff something. I can't fucking remember what his name is. He's a gigantic asshole just a, everything that's wrong with like, uh, divorced men over 50. He's, he's the guy like, he's angry, he's pissed off. He hates everybody. He talks about like, he's a tree tremor, which again, thief in the fucking night number one. But he talks about how, yeah, you know, I see people. He's getting, I got like a nice card. I got all this fucking charge them double, fuck those people. I'm a little lazy. One of those people, guys, just a fucking asshole. I know a bunch of those guys are just dicks. And he's talking about, it was wife and she's a pain in the ass and she's a fucking piece of shit and she divorced him and she blah, blah, blah, blah. So he went over, kicked in her fucking door, shot her, shot her, his stepdaughter, shot a bunch of people as many people as he can, then got in the car and led police on a huge chase where he eventually just pulled into the police department parking lot and gave up. So this is the exact same thing pretty much exact same guy, exact same type of guy mindset every time. Looking for publicity, right? He wants people to see this shocking shit. I don't even sure. I'm not even sure. And then in the interrogation room, that guy is a fucking nut. He keeps threatening the cops. So you let me off of here, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. It's like, okay, tough guy, whatever. Fight. Yeah. You're 55. This guy is a 30 year old guy. He's going to kick the shit out of you in this fucking interrogation. Yeah, maybe. But if I win, do I get to go home? Then I get to go home. Yeah. See, he's just a real asshole, then he's just, he's a fucking racist too. He talks about all sorts. He's just a, he's the exact, he's the exact ass hole you'd want. Not this to put them in. I mean, it's the same guy, basically, angry because he got rejected and he's going to go do all this shit. Now I'll show him. Well, who's in prison stupid? So he's arrested there at 12.50 a.m. Sure. Okay. He exits the blue van, hands in the air, placed under arrest, handcuffed, given his rights. Yaryana. So, um, I guess by a two sergeants of the St. Mary, uh, St. Mary Parashariff's office testified that he twice interrupted the sergeant's recitation of rights to inform the other sergeant that he both knew and understand his rights. So he's like, I get it. No. And they're like, well, we still have to finish. Tell him to stop reading those. You can't just say, I know my rights in the middle of it. Like, we still have the words. Yeah. So he said he understood his rights and then he didn't make any statements at that time. Uh, he did not speak at all as they transported him to the jail. Now, um, when the medical or personnel arrived to Troy and Evelyn, Evelyn immediately gave them a description of Donald as the shooter and his name and she doesn't know his name. Oh yeah, Evelyn doesn't, right, right. Yeah, she just knows his description. So she's describing this, uh, the doctor and an EMT said she would describe the gunman to anyone who would listen. This is the guy who did it. This is a guy who did it. He was wearing blue jeans, a white T-shirt, a light colored baseball cap and a bright yellow windbreaker. What is it with people committing crazy crimes where they want to keep low key while wearing fucking hunter yellow? Well, well, wearing safety colors. What the fuck are you doing? Well, wearing, uh, TJ Maxx Carl can I color? What is happening? Yeah, why are you doing that? So, uh, in the same description, that's the same description that a Robin Raphael said that's a neighbor who said that the man pulled into her driveway at 902 for Dunville Road in a van just minutes after she heard the gunshots. She said she initially thought it was her brother shooting at coyotes. Wow, which is just normal there. Is that what they do? Apparently, no, they shoot at those nutria down there. That's a big deal. I do hate a coyote, but that is just like the scumbag. I'm not shooting a dog. Yeah, I'm not shooting the dog happening. So, down there, they shoot anything, I guess. Well, like I said, those nutria, like they give money for those things. I don't know if they still do, but for years, they would give you like, you know, four bucks a head or something for those nutria things. So, um, anyway, they said this person said his hand was shaking. He had a gun. And he was looking for a girl then drove away toward the centerville bridge. Now, Evelyn is going to survive her injuries. Wow. But the amount of surgeries and rehab. Oh, the quality of life is fucked. Yeah. She basically damaged everything. Basically, uh, Troy, he died immediately after the bullet entered his left cheek on his face and severed his spinal cord as it made its way out of the back of his neck. At least it was fast. That's terrible. Um, Evelyn rushed to the hospital where an ambulance helicopter was waiting to transfer her elsewhere. She went to Franklin Foundation Hospital. She said, but I stayed at Franklin Foundation because I was too unstable to leave. If I had been put on that helicopter, I probably would have died there. Right. So her injuries were extensive. She required seven major surgeries. Five of which were performed in the first four days in the hospital. Um, she had to undergo a complete hysterectomy as well. She's only like 34 years old. So, um, she also lost part of her large intestine. She said, uh, the doctor said every major organ in the body was injured, went through everything. Um, after a while, she no longer had to depend on a colostomy bag anymore. That's nice. Jesus. And, um, basically they said, though, her, her doctors cannot ensure her that she will continue to have normal bowel function for the rest of her life. What a terrible thing to say out loud. Destroyed this woman's life. I mean, killed her husband, fucking, made her physically, uh, you know, had seven surgeries about it. This is fucking horrible. So anyway, um, immediately after his arrest, the police filled out an affidavit for a search warrant, for his residence and his vehicle, as well as a separate affidavit for the clothing and property that he has. Okay. Now, the affidavit supporting the warrant, seeking his clothes, described the requested clothing as a white t-shirt type shirt, white insulated shirt, and a yellow windbreaker, jeans and boots. It was noted the yellow windbreaker white t-shirt white insulated shirt were taken at the time of his booking. So the affidavit notes that the jean and boots were placed in a property locker at the Franklin Police Department. Oddly enough, this is important later. So the search warrant, which was issued, authorizing the search of his residence and any vehicles on the property identified the following items, which were, they were authorized to seize. Weapons, ammunition, receipts for ammunition or weapons, documents on weapons, evidence of a pregnancy test, and any tape they could find. Relevant shit. So the search warrant was issued to search for his clothing, authorize the search of the Franklin Police Department locker to a. In addition, he signed a consent form for the search for the morning of December 12th, authorizing the police department to search his home in truck. Now, the yellow windbreaker jacket was removed from him at the St. Mary's Parish jail, not the Franklin Police Department jail. So he's going to try to challenge he was aware. Yeah, they gave him the, they let him wear the windbreaker and then they took it off him later, because it was cold at the time. So in the, in the, in the thing or whatever. So he's saying, well, you said that that it was in the, in the locker, whereas it was actually on me, so that does that shouldn't count. Yeah, it's crazy. The seizure of the jacket in the parish jail and the police's retrieval of that jacket without a warrant was valid. They said, though. So anyway, he makes several statements and there's some other stuff here. Things that they seized from his residence in Van include a used pregnancy test from his house. Nice. A glove seized from the rear of his truck, a black sweater from Kim Kim sweater, Kimberly sweater and a picture of Kimberly's children recovered from Troy and Evelyn's yard. Oh, I don't know where that came from. Now no gun is ever recovered. They never get the fucking gun. And he had a few minutes between when he left the neighborhood and went to police encountered him to dump the gun. So the, they saw him throw something out the window. They said during this something else that they didn't find they said which caused sparks on the road. So that might have been the gun. That's probably the gun. So he's transported to the jail. He's placed in an interview room detective with the St. Mary parish sheriff's office accompanied by another detective brings a copy of the rights form in the room. They sit down, they go over the form. With him, he says, I got nothing to say. So the detective did not question him immediately just left the room. Got nothing to say. Fine. Goodbye. The other detective who was keeping an eye on Donald in the interview room watched as Donald got out of his chair and started running. Okay. Where to? He's in an interrogation room. Yeah. That's the question. In a lot of room to run. No, no, no. He starts running. The detective thought he was trying to escape. He was not trying to escape. He was starting at his chair and running as hard as he could into the wall with his head. That's what he did. This is his attempt to kill himself as to run into a wall as hard as he can with his head, which is a little weak as far as suicide attempts go. No. I don't know if it's weak or not, but I do know that's never worked in the history of anything. It's not going to work. Yeah. Not at all. So according to the detective, the impact caused him to leave his feet and land on his stomach. He hit him so hard that his feet came out from under him and he fell on his face. Which you just laugh and let him keep doing that, right? I mean, fuck this guy at this point. At best, it's going to give him a concussion or knock him out. Whatever. Just let him keep going. Right? It's never going to kill him. No, he does all day. It's not going to kill him. So the detective goes in there. Jesus Christ checks him for vital signs and notes that he lost consciousness for a bit as might happen upon regaining consciousness. He looked at the detective and said, quote, she killed my baby, which no, she never had your baby. First of all, in her, the detective said, well, I'll stay with you to the ambulance arrives. They get the ambulance going. His vital signs are taken at two 15 a.m. They assess a slight redness to his forehead, but no swelling. What a fucking idiot. After being examined and offered treatment and transport, he adamantly refused to go to the hospital. Yeah. So four a.m. He's transferred to the jail at the police department. This guy's a moron. He's just didn't even, didn't even break the drywall. Just swelled as, didn't even swell his face. Just, just pink and dead. I wonder if it was one of those block of all rooms to allow those interrogation rooms or block a wall. Oh, that would hurt. Well, send her block. Oh, man. So Lieutenant Gillery of the Franklin Police Department who oversees the jail said that he was closely monitored on suicide watch due to his action of ramming his head into the wall. That'll happen. So Yeah. Subsequently, now that he's in jail, he's going to make five different statements. Oh. Okay. Over the next day and a half, by the way, all inculpatory statements, none of them are good for him. And one of the statements is a recorded telephone call, which counts as a statement. So first statement is 13 hours after his arrest. So we're talking about two in the afternoon the next day. He's interrogated by the Franklin Police Department, Lieutenant, Lieutenant Gillerie and Agent Rupert are the ones here. That is the defendant's parole officer. That's Donald's parole officer is Agent Rupert. Nice. I don't know. I've never heard of a parole officer participating in a murder interrogation, but hey, what the hell? Maybe he was there to discuss his, it's a parole from before, obviously, right? He's on parole. He just got out of prison a couple of years ago. He's on parole. But I don't violate him based on whatever information we get, but like homicide interrogations of very specific skill, you know, that's when they don't let the homicide guys do it. This they got women, whatever, but here they have the lieutenant who runs the jail and his probation officer or parole officer in there. This lasted two hours, the, the whole questioning, the final 28 minutes from 1245 to 113 PM will be recorded on video. I don't know why the whole thing wasn't recorded. That's stupid, but anyway, now Agent Rupert said that he advised him of his constitutional rights in the presence of the lieutenant, the lieutenant said that Agent Rupert reminded him of his constitutional rights and that Donald acknowledged that he understood his rights. I know my rights. I know my rights. Now the videotape shows Agent Rupert asking him whether he'd been advised of his rights. The video shows him nodding his head slightly and saying yes, then Donald told the lieutenant and the agent that he and his girlfriend had purchased a pregnancy test based on her statement to him that she might be pregnant, that he did not know whether or not she was pregnant and that she had just told him that she did not want the baby. So he said that he just lost it at that point. Lost it. For what? His mind. I don't know. Not pregnant had explodes. It's not like he thinks she's lying to him. He had the pregnancy test in his goddamn hand. Is there fucking two lines or not stupid, like if there isn't, then she ain't pregnant. I don't know what you are from her. So it's more than that, though, right? Yeah. It has to be. It has to be the whole on rejecting you completely and moving back to Mississippi with my husband. But I think he figures if he leans on the baby angle, maybe they'll understand, it's not just him being a jealous guy, you know, she killed my baby. That's what she's telling. He's telling them. He killed it. So he indicates to the officers that he didn't understand what happened or why he did what he did. I don't know what happened. So they press him for further details and he says, "No, I don't want to talk about it." Yeah. So they continue to question him, though, because he didn't ask for a lawyer. He just said, "I don't want to talk about it," which is not, "I want a lawyer." So he subsequently stated that his life was over and that he, "new where he was going." At one point, he said, "I just want to die." And he said, "Somebody just kill me. Is that possible?" Which, I also see that a lot in interrogation rooms. Some of these interrogations are like, "Just kill me, dude." The cops are like, "It's on video. I can't just do that." That's great. I saw one recently where he said that. He's like, "Just shoot me. Just fucking shoot me." And they're like, "No, we need to talk about this." He kept saying it over and over. That's all, yeah. Just shoot me. I know where I'm going. Yup. So the lieutenant and the agent sought details and he reiterated several times. He did not want to talk about it. Yeah. Fair enough, right? You know what I'm talking about. So anyway, the videotape shows that throughout the interview, he gave unresponsive answers to questioning, placed his head down on the desk or in his hands and cried intermittently. Oh. It's a bad showing for Donnie Boyd. Yeah. I do love a good cry fest during an interrogation. That's that. I like that too. I like that a lot too. They just crumble. Oh, man. Yeah. I just saw recently the beginning of the Sarah Boone one again. Oh, God. The amount of times that she just like, imposes her own sentence upon herself. Yeah, yeah. I am. It's so amazing. Tell you what, I'm not. I'm not going to be drinking anymore. That I'll tell you right now. I'll never drinking. She acts like she's a teenager who had a party and broke a vase. And through love on the carpet. Never drink again. I'll never have my friends over like, I'll and put, I'm grounded for two weeks. At least somebody put ever clear on the cool aid. Yeah. And now the new carpet stained for it. Right. And I am so sorry. I'll never do it again. You murdered a dude. Yeah. Holy shit. Ah, anyway, no waiver of rights form was generated during this interview. So they didn't have him sign anything, didn't have him do anything. They just came in and said, you know your rights, right? And he said, yeah, and they went, okay, go ahead and make up talking. So after about 28 minutes, when he finally became totally unresponsive during this interview on video, they left and turned the interrogation over to chief Maguire of the Franklin Police Department and detective Sonnier of the St. Mary Sheriff's Office. Are there any homicide detectives here? Well, are there anybody from Laplace available? Yeah. Well, they act like this, they act like that is not a specialty thing. Yeah. I mean, you're selling a product, yeah, you're selling a product nobody wants to buy. And that's life in prison at the very least. So you got to be real good at selling that fucking product. Yeah. Yeah. It is not something they want. Right. And you still have to get them to give it to you. That's a lot. It's worse than selling you because this is literally nobody wants, nobody wants this, nobody wants life in prison. So new interrogators enter the room. He initially, you know, ignores them too is like, I'm not interested. So during the next portion of the videotape interview, lasting from approximately one thirteen to one forty PM, no sign waiver of rights form was obtained again. Eventually, he answered the officer's questions regarding his relationship with Kimberly, the suspected pregnancy, and his bewilderment at why he did the things that he did. He can't believe it. He reiterated over and over his belief that his life is over. He kept saying, yeah, you got that right. So throughout this portion of the interview, he again stated multiple times that he quote, did not want to talk about it and did not want to talk anymore. And finally, he said, I want to go back to myself, I'm through answering questions, can I leave? At this point, the cops finally terminated the interview and said, well, he's not answering any more questions. So fuck it. Now this interview lasted about two hours, only twenty eight minutes was on videotape. And basically, they said, he may, like the cops say they merandized him before they started the videotape going. So there is no proof that they did or proof that they didn't merandize him in the hour and a half that was not on tape while this was going on. But on tape, they asked, you know, you still understand your rights that you've been read and he said, yes, so that's all they have. So then he goes back to a cell for a few hours, all right, take a little nap. December 11th, 2001, it's eight thirty p.m. so same day, eight thirty few hours later. He is formally booked in the Franklin Police Department booking room by the lieutenant who was questioning him. And a videotape is made during that encounter. Apparently, the reason for the booking delay was his action of, once he got to jail, he was continued to ram his head into the wall at the St. Mary parish jail and kept complaining that his head hurt, yeah, that's what happened, yeah. So the lieutenant said the jail nurse attended to Donald, cleaning some cuts on his face and ear and giving him liquid Tylenol, which will do nothing, I'm sure, unless it's a good store. See the benefit. Yeah. In addition, Donald's subsequent statements that he did not, that he wanted to die and that his life was over, caused the police to put him on monitored suicide watch, making his sleeping, eating, and drinking routines, you know, something they have to stare at basically. Right. And on the videotape of him being booked, the lieutenant said stating that he didn't, that he had not wanted to wake up, wake him up earlier. Apparently, he went in a cell and went to sleep. So lieutenant was like, hey, I didn't want to wake you up earlier to talk to you. I look like you need it a little rest. During the booking procedure, lieutenant presented him with a waiver form of rights and had him read it to himself, lieutenant specifically informed him that he did not intend to obtain a statement from him at that time, but wanted to ensure that he knew and understood his rights. He read aloud the rights, everything, blah, blah, blah, willing to make a statement, willing to answer questions. After reading the waiver portion of the form, he responded, Donald says, yeah, I'm going to need a lawyer though, which is the opposite of that. That means I'm not talking to you. The lieutenant then explained to him that basically you could obtain a court appointed counsel if you're indigent or if you got the cash, fucking go ahead and call a lawyer, enjoy, yeah, get the best one you can get. So then these lieutenant concluded the explanation by stating something similar to quote, there's nobody that can say, there's no Nobody that says you can't call a lawyer or something. So, Donald did not continue the discussion regarding counsel, nor did he request counsel at that time. During the remainder of the booking procedure, there was no more questioning about the crime. Instead, regular booking proceedings mugshot fingerprints, all that shit. He was also offered a shower, shave, and food as well. Clean up. He wanted to know if anyone, this is Donald. Do you want to know if anyone had called for him? What do we take in messages? There is no service here. What the fuck? Yeah. There's no voicemail for you here. The lieutenant said, "The fuck should I know if someone called for you? I don't know." Can I check my voicemail? Yeah. Then out of nowhere, there's a pause and some time. And Donald just asked, "Did anybody die?" And the lieutenant says, "Yeah, lieutenant then told Donald that he would not speak to any of the defendant's family members who may have called until the defendant said that he could." Basically. So he said, "Hey, listen. You tell me, and I'll talk to them." So the videotape shows him, Donald, musing that he would get life maybe worse. And the lieutenant again offered him food or asked if he would like to speak with a priest or someone else and he said he just wanted to lie down, just wanted to lie down. So the next morning, December 12th, 2001, he's still there, obviously. Captain Broussard of the Franklin Police Department arrived at work at the jail at 730 A.M. So this Captain Broussard on his way to check the video monitor that had been set up to record his activities while he's in the cell because he's on suicide watch, he sees Donald sitting on the floor of his cell by the door. So he goes over casually converses with him, the captain observes that he was making little statements about what he was going on and I asked him if he was willing to make any statements on the record. Like, he's kind of open to talking. He indicated that he was ready to do that, Donald now makes statements on the record. So he contacted Chief McGuire, who accompanied Captain Broussard to the defendant's cell. The chief entered Donald's cell, brought him coffee, sat on the bed next to the defendant and gets a statement. Neither officer recites Miranda warnings nor was a waiver form signed at this time again. They figured that one must still hold for yesterday, but somebody else must have done it. Unbelievable. So the audio recording of this interview is mostly inaudible. This fucking police department is a random audible. They don't even know how to tape something. The fuck is wrong with these people. Damn it. They show the encounter with the defendant. They said that the interview concluded at about 9.19 a.m. So over an hour, it's a good long talk. The conversation with Broussard and the questioning by Chief McGuire lasted less than two hours. And basically, this is how the chief sums up the statement that they received from Donald. But like I said, this is on video, but inaudible, okay, quote, he told me that he found out Kimberly was possibly pregnant and that he had left a note wanting to speak with her the day before the incident on the van at Walmart. You just go. You know she'll be there. You just go look for her, man. Later on, her and him, her and her and Kim, okay, this is the exact quote. Later on, her and him, her and Kim, him and Kim, he couldn't get that right. Went and retrieved a pregnancy kit from Walmart. He pregnancy test kit is what he should. That sounds like to get you pregnant. It's a pregnancy kit. It comes with a viral sperm, a baster and yeah, some good sperm, a frothing machine. Oh, you got to have that. It's like a, it's like you're making a cappuccino. You need something. It makes it much more, more body. You can just use a cappuccino maker though for the same thing like where you steam the bill. It's the same thing. It works. He said he didn't know what kind to pick up and actually picked up the wrong thing so she had to pick it up. Does anybody want to statter some shit? He doesn't even know how to buy a fucking pregnancy test. This goddamn asshole. He brought tampons and was like, stick these in you. They'll tell you. They don't tell you what's in there. He said, this is the, again, the cop and I asked him how much it cost and he said approximately $10. They retrieved the pregnancy test and went to his house. He said that after the pregnancy test was conducted, she didn't tell him or show him whether it was positive or negative. She wanted to leave. He got angry. That's when he had some tie wraps in his bedroom. He secured her with the tie wraps. He said there was a roll of tape at the top of his refrigerator that was used for packing. He took a knife from the kitchen sink, cut the tape, put a piece of tape on her mouth because she was yelling and screaming and he didn't want anyone to hear. So he taped her mouth, put her in the van and went to drive away so they could find a quiet place to talk. I asked him where he retrieved the gun from and he said the gun belonged to Kimberly. Oh, that's Kim's gun. It's Kim's gun. I just took it from her. And that when he was putting her in the van, pushing her across to the passenger side that she had a purse in between the two seats and that it was tied with a string and then it had fallen open and the gun had fallen on the floor. How lucky. How lucky. She's got a loose purse pistol. How lucky are you? You go to kidnap some of you don't have any weapons and a fucking gun falls out on the floor from the victim that you can use. But they didn't take the car too fast and whoops the daisy if I'm not armed now. Wow. Super weird. So he took the gun. He put it in his pants, drove to the centerville area, which he was familiar with because he had been fishing in that area. So okay. When he drove to that area, he said that Kimberly didn't want to talk to him and that he kept wanting to and that he kept wanting to talk to her. It's clear she doesn't want to talk. He removes the tape from her mouth. He said he balled it up. He didn't remember if he had thrown it on the floor of the van or out the window. He said that somewhere in the centerville area, after they had crossed the bayou, there was a pumping station near the area where he was going. The van had slowed down and she opened the door of the van and she had gotten loose from her tire apps and jumped out of the van. He said that while the van was still moving, he jumped out of the same door she did in the van, continued rolling and hit a mailbox. I just think it's, by the way, this is information we know, but it's very interesting to hear his point of view of how this went down. It's like there was a gun and just fell on the floor and I picked it up, didn't have a gun before that. I jumped out the same door she got out and the car was going to hit a mailbox. The mailbox. No, and it's funny because like she says, he pulled the gun out from the house and he's like, I didn't get the gun until it fell out of her purse in the car. You know how it is? He said he jumped in the van, stopped the van and then started looking for her. He said there was all kinds of people and people were yelling and screaming and then he thought he heard Kimberly. A lady was standing there and he was asking where was Kim? Where was Kim? And she wouldn't answer and the gun went off. That doesn't happen. It goes off. He said he then saw a mail subject come to the door of that house and he thought he heard something in the house that he thought was Kim. So that's why he went into the house. He said that the mail subject reached over, uh, reached over towards over a table toward the sofa and at that point, he fell on the sofa. He didn't say I shot the guy and he died. He just said he fell on the sofa and a hole towards the sofa then fell on it. A lot of times when I lay down on my sofa, it's severed my spinal cord. So I totally get that. It's very normal. It's real tired. They do say it will be gentle. Don't fall into the couch. You'll absolutely sever your spinal cord. He said he thought the back door was, he saw the back door was open and thought it was Kim. So he proceeded out the back looking for Kim. I asked him what he had done with the gun and he told me that he threw it in the wooded area behind that home that he heard sirens. So he jumped into the, uh, into the back of the van, back into the van and took off. And he had some work gloves on some black dot work gloves and he threw the black dot work gloves and the knife out somewhere near Calumet. So they think maybe that caused the spark the knife, um, ran from police and pulled into the Morgan City Police Department. That's where he was apprehended. And the chief said that, um, you know, what, what, uh, Donald told, told the chief here was consistent with other information received by the police except for a few, you know, particulars like shooting the guy, um, and they said also the gun obviously didn't belong to Kimberly because they already talked to the guy who sold it to him. They already talked to Ricky. Yeah. Ricky already came forward here. Ricky's like, I'm Ricky. They'll, they'll blame me. I got to, I got to go out from under this and get out ahead of this and let you all know. I am a Ricky. That part is true. All right. I am Ricky. Hear me roar. So after the conversation in the holding cell, the chief asked, Donald, if you would like to make a recording. statement and he agreed. After taking a 40-minute break so that the interrogation room could be set up, I assume the camera and everything like that. So during which time that Donald was allowed to take a shower, spend some time outside, and then he gave a videotaped confession at 10 a.m. in the presence of the chief, the captain and the lieutenant. Okay, now the chief says that Miranda warnings were given prior to obtaining the recorded statement. Also, the chief testifies that the defendant signed a consent to search during the taking of the statement. The captain testifies the lieutenant advised Donald of his rights, the lieutenant testifies that he advised him of his constitutional rights and another rights form was filled out along with the consent to search. So that should be taken care of now. The videotape shows that he initially, Donald initially expressed that he did not want to talk anymore and that he wanted to quote, "rest his mind." This is the type of guy who needs to rest his mind, I feel like. Isn't that called sleeping? He needs to build up his thinking power though. It's like, "I can't think right now. I'm going to need to think later." So I got to save up all my thinking for later. I'm going to need to recharge the batteries to minoodle. He's a little low here. So the chief stressed the need to get his statement on the record so that the police could check the information that he gave them. You want us to believe you? I need something to go on. Lieutenant reprimanded or reminded, I'm sorry, Donald about the rights that they had discussed the night before and specifically informed him of his right to remain silent. The captain put a cassette tape in the recorder and Donald informed them that he did not feel comfortable. In talking? With the camera on, it's usually my dicks out when the camera's like, "I take my dick out. Would that make anyone else feel uncomfortable?" Because I'd feel better if I could. Have you all got two ring lights? That's usually not. I don't shoot with just the one. I need it because otherwise there's going to be shadows really. I need this thing to look. I don't want to look like a villain now. If you could lie to me even and honestly, if I'm being realistic, put that bouncer on the bottom. Give me an up light if I got one on top because I like I'm going to meet in the middle and just make my face like a shine and star diamond type of thing. One angle of light casts a shadow on my thigh and it looks small. I'm going to be honest. We have two, though. It's like an X marks the spot. You're like a celestial at that point. It's like a star. Gives it a halo. It gives it something there like a planet's the head reflect. It's glow and see. So anyway, he said that, obviously, you don't have to talk if you don't want to, but whatever. Now, the cops tried to ascertain what aspect of the interview made him feel uncomfortable, specifically questioning his feelings about the audio tape. He responded that he just didn't know what to do. He said, "I just don't know what to do." What makes you uncomfortable? He goes, "I just don't know what I'm doing." So they reiterated they loved to get a statement on record and urged him to read over the rights form. He stated he did not want to spend the rest of his life in prison and indicated that he knew that was going to happen. He then asked the officers to confirm that the woman he shot was okay and asked if the man he shot had been her husband. He was told that the man was the woman's husband. Then, I don't know where he began to sob and cry and stated that he didn't even know the man he shot. I didn't even know the man. Well, why the fuck do you shoot him then, Yamora? How are you doing? He was again urged to read over his rights form so that they could search for the evidence that would support his story. At this point, the videotape reflects that he agreed to give a written consent to search for the officers could search his house. When asked specifically if he was refusing to sign the waiver of rights form, he said that he did not want to talk. They told him that in order to obtain written consent, he would have to "do his rights to do his rights." Then he appeared to want the officers to search his house to find the evidence that would corroborate the information he was telling them so that they could see he was telling the truth. So the rights form was presented to him and he was asked by Captain Bursard whether he wanted a lawyer. With him right this second and he said, quote, I know I need to see one, which is not an answer. No. He then went on to say that he just didn't know what was going to happen to his life. Well, I got a pretty good idea at this point. Let's go. I don't know how you don't know. Yeah. He's got a good idea here. So the captain tells him that the judge would appoint a lawyer for him. He doesn't raise the issue of counsel again, but answers the officer's questions, implicating himself in aggravated kidnapping and the shootings of evil and intra. When the officers conclude the interrogation, they again attempted to have him sign the waiver of rights form and he told him that the rights on the form were the same ones that were read to him by the lieutenant. He said, okay, and then sign the waiver of rights, which usually comes before you make a statement. By the way, the entire interview lasted about 35 minutes. So this is not long at all. Click. So yeah. And then he also made an unrecorded statement to chief McGuire and Captain Bruce Arne. In the interim, he was allowed to refresh himself, take a shower and go outside again. He was reminded of the Miranda provisions, which had been thoroughly discussed, obviously. When he expressed, yeah, it just keeps going on with this, you know, what do we do here? So then he makes a fifth statement, sort of, okay, this is a call with his brother, Mark. Nice. And basically he calls, he talks to his brother, Mark, from jail. And then his mad, it's recorded. Well, they're all recorded. That's it. You're using their phone, man. Yeah. The only person you can talk to without any sort of supervision is going to be a lawyer. That's it. Nobody else. Maybe a priest, but definitely a lawyer. But if you're using somebody else's phone, assume that whatever you're saying is being heard by everybody on the planet, everybody completely. So apparently, the police said that he was invoking his right to counsel and that further questioning of the police was prohibited. That's what he said. I don't want to talk to anymore. I want to talk to a lawyer and I want to go to bed or whatever. So then his brother, Mark, returned a phone call, which the lieutenant had placed at the request of the defendant. Basically, he said, can you call my brother? They said, we'll call your brother. They call his brother. They left a message and then his brother called back. Okay. So this obviously is all recorded. And the lieutenant asked his brother, Mark, whether he wanted to speak to Donald by telephone or if he would prefer to come down to the police station. Mark said, I'll talk to him on the phone. Lieutenant advised Mark that the telephone call would have to be on speaker phone. So not only is it recorded, we're all going to listen to it. We're going to be actively listening and recording and recording. Certainly right here. So yeah, Mark said that's that would be all right. And however he wanted to do it, that's fine. So I don't care. The lieutenant also said he informed Mark that the telephone conversation would be heard and recorded. They said normally under circumstances, we don't let anybody talk to inmates, but I figured that he, the defendant needed to talk to a family member. So I went to my office, opened my office up, got him, brought him into my office, explained to his brother that it would be on speaker phone, and it's all recorded. They let him talk to his brother and the lieutenant said, I stepped out of my office and left a crack in the door about like that, you know, that far open to let him talk to his brother. Here's what they got on tape. Quote, she was going to kill the baby. I just lost it, man. Okay. So Mark says, is everything they're telling me true, bro? And he says, yes, Mark, it's true. Okay. Mark then says, do you know what the sentence for murder is? Donald said, I never meant to hurt nobody. I've got to pay for what I've done. My life's over with, I made a bad decision and wasn't thinking. I was trying to find her and they were hiding her. I didn't mean to hurt nobody. It just drove me crazy. Oh boy. He then gave Mark's phone number, or he gave Mark Zimmerman's phone number to and said, call her and ask her why that's the husband of her. Call her and ask her why she done this to me, why she pushed me to the edge like this. You call my harasser more. Call her old man and ask him why she done this to me, to me. I couldn't get answers for questions at gunpoint, but you call her and see if she'll answer your questions. Yeah, call her old man and that ought to do it. This is not good. Basically, he expressed sorrow and despair and he instructed his brother to sell his truck in whatever other possessions he owned in order to provide him with any kind of money here. Oh, so my truck or sell your truck? My truck. Okay. You know where my truck is. Sell it. Are you the titles in here and blah, blah, blah. So Evelyn, recovering in the hospital sums everything up. She says you could see in his eye. that there was evil present, that night was evil. - Oh, all right. - The whole, the witch-an-hour. - It was the witch-an-hour, it was midnight. Well, midnight, the witch-an-hour. - Oh, damn night, yeah. - But Evelyn said she knew beforehand that she was gonna live, thanks to what she described as a spiritual experience she had while lying on the ground waiting for help to arrive. Also, you lose blood, you start to see things. - So just, you get what I edit. - Yeah, she said, "I prayed and said, "God, please don't let me die." I knew Troy was dead. When he was shot, I felt something moved through me and lift me up. I said, "God, please don't let my kids find me dead." And then a voice told me that I wasn't going to die. It wasn't my time. So, who knows? So, whatever she lived. Now, plea offers, they offer Donald plea deals. Why deals? 'Cause it's just messy. The whole thing's messy and expensive in Louisiana. I don't know if you've seen the state of the economy down there. - Oh, that infrastructure. - Not a lot of extra cash flying around Louisiana. Let's just say. So if you can get somebody to just go to prison forever and shut the fuck up, I guess you do it. - I guess you've also got a lady who's got seven fucking surgeries she's gotta deal with. - She's got that. Who knows? So, he turns down two plea offers that would have given him life in prison. - Oh. - Okay, he wants to go to trial, dammit. - He really wants to. I don't know what he's gonna prove. If he's convicted of murder, the minimum is life in prison. - Right. - So, what did he think he's gonna get? Less than that, I don't know what, they're gonna find him not guilty. Like, I don't know what he's thinking here. - Yeah, and if he gets a dickhead judge that really wants to prove a point, he could give him life without and then consecutive whatever the fuck for attempted murder. - Who knows, yeah. So, June of 2003, while he's awaiting trial, he sends a letter to Kimberly from prison as fucking lunatic, okay? Wow, she receives a letter and she is just horrified by, I mean, traumatized. She said, "Dearest Kim." He said, I'm sorry, he said, "Dearest Kim, hello, my love." Hello, my love. The fuck are we talking about? He said, "Well, how are you?" Well, I'm just fine. Just fine, fine, just fine. Except for this mess you caused. - She, so she's the problem. - You caused this. - Yeah. - Yep, he said, quote, "Someone else shot those people while I was looking for you. Probably drugs had to do with it." - Oh boy. - He's now telling her, "I didn't shoot those people while I was looking for you. There was some other madman running around with a God and shooting people." - Probably on drugs. - Yeah, you know how it is around here, lots of people on drugs. - Wow. - So you ran me into a goddamn, you did this to me. - Yeah, in a trailer park, how am I supposed to know? There's not some drug man out there just killing folks and I know how people are. - I got sewn up on it. - Couldn't help it. So one month before trial, trials coming, it's one month away. He's decided he wants to represent himself. - Oh yeah. - Because from everything we've seen from him so far, he clearly has the intellect to defend himself in a death penalty case, for sure. So the self-representation was first raised by him on December 10, 2003, less than a month before trial. After discussing his pro-say, the motions he filled out, which duplicated defense motions already acted upon, he just copied the ones his lawyers did, defense counsel indicated the defendant had more than he wanted to discuss at the hearing. His attorney said, year on or earlier this afternoon, Ms. Rousard, who's the co-counsel, I don't know if it's related to the captain or not, but and myself, talk to Mr. Legler about his motions that you just denied and the subject matter came up about him possibly representing himself. I want to put it on the record right now because he's expressed an interest of a possibility of representing himself and I just want to clarify, if he does want to do that and if so, you need to take the proper steps in determining whether he could be allowed to represent himself or not. And he said, and then the judge said, all right, and Donald said, your honor, between choosing bad counsel and representing myself, I would have no choice other than but to represent myself. Yeah, it's either me or bad counsel or worse, wake, not a lawyer or bad lawyer, which one would you rather have? Bad counsel or worse counsel, I'll say bad all day. Maybe bad. He said, because Mr. CalWart, that's the lawyer's name, has failed numerous times to file motions to protect my rights. This is the reason why I've had to file these motions on my own and being a layman in court proceedings, a lack of knowledge of applying the proper court procedures and articles and therefore that's the reasons and causes why I have brought these motions to the court's attention. Well, as soon as he took non-dummy pills for five minutes, he sounds half intelligent. He said, and they were denied based upon the defendant didn't allow the counsel to file them and that was one of my arguments in one of the motions I had. And Mr. CalWart has waited 15 days before trial to start preparing a defense. And I believe it's been prejudiced, it's been prejudiced. It's prejudiced me. The time has been two years tomorrow since this occurrence. And now he chooses to put forth an effort to defend me. At no time has he come and seen me since I've been housed at the Department of Corrections at Angola, not once, who that's wrong. And maybe a half dozen times he visited me in New Iberia, but not very briefly. They're putting him in the worst place. Yeah, but how do they call it New Iberia? Like, what the fuck does that have to do with Portugal and Spain? Is that-- That's Iberia. Iberian Peninsula is Portugal and Spain. This couldn't think of anything less. It might be an island area. It's by water. I mean, I'll give it that, but-- It's swampy. You are pushing it, people. This is moisture. There's bugs. I'll tell you that much. He said, and then in the time we spoke on certain things, we have a total conflict of interest between me and Mr. CalWart. We're not on the same page. That's not a conflict of interest. By the way, that just means-- We're not on the same page. That conflicts with my interest. That's yeah, I don't like that. In the little time I've talked with Ms. Bursard, I've only met her one time for 45 minutes, and it seems that we have a better communication between the both of us. And state law says the defense lawyers must work with a defendant and give notice. State law. State law. And Mr. CalWart has failed to do that. I can't even make a collect phone call to his office because they won't accept it. Now, a lot of times, by the way, people don't realize is that these people from prison will try to call their lawyer collect like 10 times a day. They're like, I don't need to talk to this guy 10 times a day. I need to talk to him when I need to talk to him, and I'll get with him. I don't need to get 10 different collect phone calls a day from this idiot. I don't need to talk to him every time he thinks of something. That's the thing. I think I've cracked the case. Stop calling me. They act like that's the only case they're working on or the only thing going on. He said, Mr. CalWart and Mr. I can't even make a collect phone call to his office because he won't accept it. I wrote letters. He hasn't replied back. I had done that with Mr. Gary Lagras too, and they failed to do that as well. So that's why I filed these motions. Your Honor, on two separate occasions, asking for Mr. Craig to be dismissed on a point in other counsel. The judge says, all right, but that doesn't speak to most of what you said, doesn't speak to the desire to represent yourself. It speaks to the desire to be represented by other counsel. Is that what you're telling me? And he says, well, you're Honor. I'd like to participate in trial if that's allowed. But the judge says, well, well, I mean, just over the course of the last 10 or 15 minutes that we've been in court, I've witnessed your participation with counsel and instructing your counsel as to what you would have them to present with respect to motions in court. There's nothing I can see that your counsel has done or this court has done to prevent you from participating in your defense. When it comes to representing yourself, your last comment was that you were not a person trained in law. You're a lay person. And it appears to me that you were pointing up, pointing up your inadequacy to represent yourself in these proceedings. So more and more, I'm hearing, or what you just told me is that nice sense, Mr. Colwart was pointing out, there's not a desire on your part to represent yourself without in front of the jury or present your case. The question is, you want someone else rather than Mr. Colwart, is that what I'm saying? Is that what I'm hearing? He says, yes, Your Honor, you're saying it right, with me choosing between bad counsel in which he has demonstrated that. Today, at the last two years, Your Honor is the only time he's done anything where he's talked to me. We've been arguing for the past two years. And we've been bumping heads. And like I've said, we haven't been on the same page. I would feel more comfortable if Ms. Brussard would be lead counsel. And I would ask the court and his lawyer, Colwart says, that's something we could probably work out. I don't want to fucking deal with this idiot. Then Brussard said, I'm not certified to be lead counsel. It's a capital case. You have to be a cap, a death penalty certified. There's a certain requirements to be a death penalty qualified lawyer. You can't just give any lawyer to fucking do that shit. No. the court said no, and he said Mr. Calward, you brought up the same, the issue of Mr. Legler wanting to represent himself. I don't think that's what he intended. And his lawyer said one of the specific things he requested your honor was to be allowed to question the jurors and the witnesses himself. And I told him that wouldn't be allowed unless he was counsel unless he was representing himself. I'm telling you, no, let me handle it. Let me talk to him and see what they say. Well, get him up on this. I'll talk. I'll get her to admit it's all her fault. That's what he's thinking in his head too. It's exactly why does he think he's going to do a better job? Because he's a fucking idiot. Dumb people don't realize how dumb they are. That's one of the, I think the keys of being smart is knowing when you don't know something. Right. And just going, well, I don't know how to do that. I should get someone where as dumb people are like, I could probably fix that myself. And then next thing you know understanding and need deep water. Yeah, I don't think that he understands. I think his lawyers trying to tell him, look, the only way to do that is to be counsel, meaning you're not counsel. I am. I'll take care of that. And he's going, well, then I'll just do that. And one breath he's saying, I want to represent myself. And then he's saying, I don't want to represent myself. I just want a different lead counsel. And then he's saying, but I want to question people and they're going, but you have to be the, you have to represent yourself to do that. And he's like, well, I just want to question him without representing myself though. He just wants to, when he feels like it, he wants to be able to go up. Basically, he wants to yell at Kim in court and have it be allowed. Oh, yeah. That's what I think it is. He wants to confront Kim. Absolutely. And let her know what she's done wrong and how she caused all this shit. And it's all her fault. And I think he thinks, yeah. If I can get her on the stand and tell her how she caused all this and how wrong she is, then the jury will understand it. And then I'll get to go home. And then maybe they'll put Kim in prison, which would be great for everybody, right? Excellent. I think that's what he's thinking. It's the strategy that people go into couples counseling, not realizing that the counselor is not judge and jury of your fucking relationship. They're here to point out how you both can heal. That's it. And then one person is going to inevitably come in going, see aside with me and they don't do that. And that's what he wants. Yeah. He wants the judge to go. Oh, well, he doesn't want, he just wants to. We've gotten it all wrong. This is, yeah. This is the dream of every crazy person who's been dumped in a relationship is I'd like to get that person on the stand under oath so I could find out exactly what the fuck why they did what they did. This is just crazy jealous possessive. That's why I'd want to question people in this room. Yeah. Yeah, I'll show the world. What happened? That's right. So yeah, he goes on this, the motion to represent himself is denied. The most motion to participate with counsel in the examination of witnesses or to present argument is also denied. Yeah. So he said you can't do that tonight. He said if that was the request. So you can't represent yourself. And if you were asking for the thing, I think you're asking for you can't have that either. No, in case this is a dream. And I believe, yeah, no ice cream or candy either. I believe you ask for candy also. In case you were asking first frinkles or butter fingers, no, that happened. Plank home is what you're getting. Cherry dip. I don't think so. No, no, no. Plank home. Okay, so the trial comes up and there's some some pre-trial shit here. He wants the identifications from lineups thrown out. Oh, he says they lined up a six pack of pictures as they do, but I had cuts on my face. So they knew that I had been through some shit where the other guys didn't. So they very apparently I've had a night. It's been it's been a long evening. So this is the ID's made by Evelyn and Zeb. He contends that he sustained the cuts to his face in his ear. And that would be shown. He says that out of the six person lineup, he's the only one with facial injuries and argued that the photo array shown to the witnesses was unduly suggestive tainting the identifications. Oh, that's funny. The defense council asked a detective as well as Evelyn Sloan and Zeb Leblanc, whether they noticed that the only person in the six person photographic array who had cuts on his face was the defendant. None of the three witnesses indicated that they had noticed cuts on the face of the defendant in the pictures. Apparently the distinction had minor if any impact on the eyewitnesses. So they said that you're looking at the photographic array. The cuts are indeed minor and not such as would be duly suggestive. It doesn't have like a big band to drop around his head or anything like that. They said clearly the cuts did not focus any undue attention on the defendant. They said even assuming the lineup was suggestive, the defendant fails to demonstrate that Evelyn or Zeb misidentified him. Evelyn was unwavering in her positive identification of him. Zeb was tentative but correct on the characteristics he remembered. Based on the totality of circumstances, we find substantial, no substantial likelihood of misidentification. No, she's looked in this guy's eyes several times. She knows. Also the yellow jacket taken at a different place than where the warrant stated. He wants that thrown out, but it's not. So he also wants all his statements thrown out. Oh, and this is the legal shit here. He said the voluntaryness of these statements was affected by physical and mental conditions that he was suffering from. He said the police coercively questioned him repeatedly over a day and a half in effect, wore down his resistance under duress, which you have to say I want a lawyer and will not talk to you or else they will keep wearing you down. That's how it works. They said that they had they find nothing to suggest the duration of various interviews police had with him were too long. The longest interview he had was two hours. Yeah. That is nothing in an interrogation. That takes two hours to get rapport going sometimes. The one that he blabbed everything was 45 minutes long. That's what I mean. 35 I think or something. 30, right? Let's sub 45. That's wild. Man, it's less than a law and order episode. Half a feature film. You don't even get to the part where the it shows you why we watched this. You're mid-second act. You don't even there's a big surprise still coming. You don't even know it's part of the plot yet. So the record supports the finding that all of the interrogation sessions were short of short duration did not last the entirety of the day and a half has maintained by the council. All of the officers connected with the questioning of him affirmed that he was never threatened and intimidated, made promises or inducements in order to obtain a statement. The defendants encounter with Sergeant Driscoll in the early morning hours of December 11th when he was first arrested and rights lasted mere minutes. Similarly, his encounter with Sergeant Smith and Sergeant Rivera lasted only a few minutes. He invoked his right to silence and questioning never occurred. The other instances of questioning were not coercively lengthy. The agent testify agent Rupert, the parole officer, testified the entire interview with him and lasted approximately two hours and the videotape portion, including the additional questioning lasted only an hour. His booking lasted less than a half an hour. He said, we don't know what you're talking about basically. The other conversation was from 7 30 p.m. till 9 19 a.m. less than two hours. Then there's a 35 minute fucking one that we were just talking about. Based on these numbers, the entire police interrogation of the defendant appears to have consumed less than six hours out of a period of 36 hours. So not much. Clearly, the length of time that he was questioned while in custody was not so coercive as to lead to involuntary statements or confessions. This is not Brendan Dassy sitting there for 15 hours going, I get to watch WrestleMania if I get to go home like none of that. This is six over a day and a half. Yeah, exactly 32 year old man who's been in the system before knows how this shit works is the other thing. He's been in prison for Christ's sake. He also complains that the police assaulted him upon his arrest rendering his subsequent statements involuntary. They assaulted him. Oh, okay. They said the record is unclear as to how the slight scratches on his face in a year occurred. So they don't know here. During a videotape statement taken on December 11, Donald told the agent Rupert and Lieutenant Gillery that the police inflicted the scratches during the arrest procedure. But to the chief and captain Broussard, there's an indication that he stated that during his unrequited statement with them that he scratched that the defendant scratched his ear while running through the woods behind the salone trailer looking for Zimmerman and discarding the gun, which makes sense. That makes the most sense. We find however that the cut occurred, however the cut occurred, the mug shot photograph only shows a slight injury and not the result of a police beating a confession out of him. He's pretty, he's a pussy. If that's all it takes, slight scrupter. Push over. That's for sure. Super easy. The trial court did not abuse its discretion in failing to find his statements in voluntary. He also argues he was suffering from a head injury with suicide and had been suffering from depression and sleep deprivation in the weeks preceding his arrest due to his breakup with Kim, which rendered his confessions involuntary. He points out to the record, his custodial statements that claimed, "I just want to die, my life is over, I have nothing to live for, I just don't want to live no more." Yeah, and also they rely on the fact that his self-inflicted head injury after the arrest caused this also. Which I'd hope in his eggs. Yeah, and finally, also they said the defendant complained during some interviews, his head hurt and that he was dizzy and that he wanted to lie down and they let him. They also reflect that the police immediately sought medical attention for him after he ran his head into the wall. They said he wasn't that big of a deal, he had slight redness. We even offered him to go to the hospital, he said he was fine. Instead they let a man with a head injury lay down. They let him lay down for a while, yeah, just go lay down, have a good, I mean, what's the worst that could happen, honestly? Fuck this guy. Save the world a bunch of money. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what he did, everybody knows what he did. There's no mystery here. So, I mean, we're not going to kill him, but if he wants to fucking just go to sleep and not wake up, that's fine on our part. So, he then argues the police manipulated his need for medical treatment to secure his statement, which is kind of a silly thing, because the chief indicated that she would have told the district attorney's office about how he felt that he thought he needed some medication or to talk to a psychiatrist or something. The following day, just prior to obtaining the recorded statement, the chief observed that they could get the defendant's statement on the record while the defendant waited to see the doctor. Okay. So, he's saying that was like, if you say what I want, then you get to see the doctor and if you don't, you don't. So, anyway, trial comes up. He is not his own attorney. No, the defense, this prussard that he likes so much, touted the fact that the police never found the weapon. No. And that gunpowder residue tests on his hands and clothing were not conducted. So, we don't even know if he did that. Innocent. Yeah. Innocent. Yeah. Clearly. Yeah. Clearly, if that worked, that Caleb Flynn would be going home right now because that don't work, my friend. There's plenty other evidence here in deep shit. Yeah. So, the prosecution here, they respond that he had ample time and more than one body of water to get rid of the gun during his flight from police. We could have thrown it in any of these places and reminded jurors that a cellmate of Leglar, Wesley Green, is going to testify that the gun was thrown in the water because Leglar told him that. Is it legal or Leglar? Leglar. Okay. Oh, the newspaper misspelled at L.E.G.E.R. here. It's Leglar. Okay. Okay. Man, they really fuck it all up. Why is that all fucked up? Because it's not on those on those. It's not legal at the beginning. We say legal. I thought it was Leglar. I said, right? No, I thought it was Leglar. Wow, maybe not. I just said Donald. Yeah. It was Donald in junior. Oh, shit. Maybe it is legal. And I'd been calling Leglar. Isn't there a basketball player named Leglar? Yeah. It's not a problem. Sean. Tim. Tim. Yeah. Yeah. I think it was a single. Okay. Single silver. We're going Donald here. Yeah. So Donald had more than ample time and to get thrown in the water and that while admitting to the Franklin police chief that his guilt, he still tried to put himself in a good light claiming that the gun he used that night was actually Kim's gun. So he didn't even bring it up. During the confession, they said that Donald told them that while in the salooned front yard, quote, the gun just went off and that he went inside the trailer and the man had, quote, just fallen over. Oh, he said, I, he wasn't shot. No, the hole in his head is completely irrelevant to the situation. Don't know how that happened, but sometimes when your neck fractures, breaks, pops, yeah, shit just flies out of your neck. You know how it goes pop, pop, your spine. Of course, not a bullet hole in your cheek. Yeah. They also said that not only that, he was on parole and early release from two prior felony convictions when he kidnapped his girlfriend at gunpoint and then raided the home of Evelyn and Troy. He said, this was a home invasion that resulted in the slaughter of a husband and father, but for the grace of God, the slaughter of a wife and mother. So the state presents a shitload of evidence that he committed the murder, obviously. During the preparation of an aggravated kidnapped or perpetration of the aggravated kidnapping and an aggravated burglary and that he had specific intent to kill her and flick great bodily harm upon more than one person. Kim positively identifies him as her ex-boyfriend and the person who bound her hands with wraps and kidnapped her at gunpoint and drove her to did everything here. Evelyn positively identifies him as the person who shot her in the abdomen at close range before murdering her husband. Zab makes a tentative identification as the armed gunman who invaded their home, but the his clothing description of the gunman matched precisely the articles of clothing seized from him. So you couldn't really remember the face, but you remembered everything he was wearing, which some people remember different things, just how your brain works. Sometimes you look at the chest instead of the face. You never know. Yeah. Well, if you got a dick you do sometimes. Yeah. After the shooting, the defendant here led the police on a high-speed chase. Officers never lost sight of the blue van in which he attempted his gotaway, even though he periodically shut off his headlights and drove through fields. They show the pregnancy test, the wraps, the everything corroborating, Tim's shit. They also talk about the gloves he threw out the window. And yeah, they said the prosecuting attorney, the defense says there's no evidence that linked those to him. Like, well, he threw him out the window and we watched him do it and then we went back and picked him up. I mean, how many times have you watched him like cops or something or live PD when somebody throws a goddamn drugs out the window. They go back and get it and they don't go, well, you can't prove that's mine. It's 10 feet away from me. They go, no, I saw you throw it out. That's you are under arrest. That's it. The whole front of that car has cameras on it. I watched it half the way we watched it. Plus there's a camera crew in my car. There's a guy with a boom mic for Christ's sake. We all saw him. It's not guys that went back to get it. So many. All his statements are played for the jury. Okay. And at trial, the lieutenant testifies that he told the brother, Mark, that the line was recorded and it would be on speaker phone and that officers would be able to hear on cross examination, though, the lieutenant conceded. He did not tell Donald the line was recorded. However, he stated the telephone itself is marked as a recorded line. It's a sign they're saying this is recorded. It's a bug. It's not even on the phone. It's like you're looking at it while you talk. Well, this is the office phone. This wasn't his like the prisoner phone. This was the lieutenant's office phone, but it's still recorded. I guess every phone in the station is recorded all the time. And it says it on every phone. So now Mark testified. He heard a tone on the line that he assumed was the telephone being taken off the speaker phone and the lieutenant disputed that fact, saying that the receiver of the phone was never picked up because it had to be on speaker. When asked whether he thought the defendant had an exception, an expectation of privacy in the conversation, the lieutenant questioned how the defendant could have thought he was having a private conversation with the conversation being on speaker phone and a lieutenant's office with me standing four feet away looking at him through the door and hearing the whole conversation. There's no expectation of privacy there. You're not in your room at night with the door closed. This is crazy. Like in your home, Kimberly also said she gets up there and gives her harrowing tail, which is enough between her and Evelyn. It's pretty amazing. Jerry's going to hate him. Hate him. And Zeb said, going to put Zeb up there because he's got the best story. And Zeb gets up there and said, that was again, I finally had a dad. Now I have no one to go for advice. This poor woman saying he's threatening to kill me and fucking tied my hands up. Evelyn, he shot this poor woman. She can't shit right for the rest of her fucking life or husband's dead. Yeah. Her kids are fucking traumatized. Seven surgeries every organ affected. That's unreal. Unreal. And she talks about how he said, you've got 20 minutes to talk to me. And you know, I'm going to put you in the water where no one will ever find you. Kim said, I was begging him not to do it. And I knew I was going to jump out. She said, by the time they crossed a bridge and she saw a buy you, she had her left hand free and managed to release the seatbelt without him knowing. So she got the little little seatbelt. So it was loose. And that way she could just boom, burst out in one shot. She just let go of the seatbelt. It slaps as she hits the door. That's it. Fascinating. When they reached the buy you, Tesh Bridge in centerville, that's when Legler told her we're almost there, which then she knew it was time to get the fuck out of there. There is a defense witness here. Okay. The state rests its case. The defense here, the lawyer Broussard accuses Lieutenant Gillerie of having intimidated Legler into a confession. Leager. God damn it. They said, did you say to him, I killed a nom, I can kill again. And this Gillerie denied that as well as another accusation by Broussard that Donald was threatened with being shot in a staged escape attempt. We'll pretend like you're escaping and shoot you. Oh, we didn't say that. So in closing, the price is. execution here, um, said if he couldn't have her, no one else would. He wanted sex and she refused him. There you go. Um, and also the fact that she was going back to her husband, he couldn't take it anymore. Right. Uh, Kimberly, I told the 911 operator, she thought that the gunshots meant that Donald had killed himself, but that turned out not to be the case. Quote, that's when the defendant rated a man's castle shot him in his own house and brought terror to an entire neighborhood. Uh, Troy was hit in the face and died instantly when his spinal cord was severed and he says, why? Because because Donald convinced that that was convinced that the salons were hiding Zimmerman and that he was going to find her evidence by his own words to his brother in a tape phone conversation after his arrest. He said they were hiding her. Then they go on to say he turned his lights off while fleeing from police with over a hundred miles an hour. Why would you engage in that type of flight if you didn't do this? Said the person who brought Zimmerman to that neighborhood was the same person who was, uh, who was arrested at the police station. Uh, it's Donald over here. Uh, he also reminded the jury that the spent slug that was taken from the door was determined to be a nine millimeter bullet and testimony had been heard that leger had bought a nine millimeter burretta from a coworker at day off shore just days before the shootings. Also, ballistic, uh, ballistic testing on the slug indicated the bullet could only have been fired from one of six types of guns, including a nine millimeter burretta is one is one of the one that he has and be the one he has the old nine millimeter burretta and, uh, the lawyer said, and there's more after his arrest, the defendant slowly and surely admits his guilt, but it's a classical criminal response to put the blame on someone else. He was recorded telling investigators that I messed up. I lost it. My life is over. Something's wrong with me. I'm going to spend the rest of my life in prison or worse. He said his phone call at the department to his brother where he admits his guilt was not privileged as they tried to claim, but even in that conversation, he slanted the truth to put himself in a better light. He said that he lost it because Zimmerman was going to have an abortion. Meanwhile, she wasn't even wasn't even fucking pregnant. So the defense, um, here, Broussard ends the closing statements by saying, if you don't find that Donald statements to the interrogators were given freely and voluntarily, then you can just discount them. Okay. Yeah. You discount them. Just don't mind. Yeah. Then you only have the evidence of several eyewitnesses who watched him do that. We're shot by him. So you throw them out. I would say, if you're the prosecution, you can almost say fine. They throw them out. I don't think about them. I'll put Evelyn on the stand. That's all I really that little kid. Yeah. You can have everybody, anything else you want. We will put Evelyn and Kimberly and Zeb on the stand and that's our whole fucking case. And you can, so we need you can cash it in. I'll be in a hamburger while you're doing your thing. I won't even worry about your door. We're going to ask him questions. Do you cross them, by the way? Say whatever and enjoy it. Just bring lots of extra barbecue because the prize in barbecue is delicious. Do cross on a woman who doesn't shit right and whose husband's dead and she's upset about do cross on her while I eat America's favorite fries. We'll do that. Yeah. Well, she changes her fucking bag out. I'll eat the fries. So the verdict comes in here. He has found this, by the way, jury deliberates for an hour and a half. Oh, that's fast. That's real fast. He has found guilty of first degree murder. Now the same jury will be decided. It will be deciding whether it's death row or life sentence without problem. So during sentencing, the prosecution presents the testimony of Evelyn, obviously, Zeb. Also the, the stepson, another different stepson here. The victim's mother, Danette Boykin, Troy's sister-in-law, also Ricky Cook, who by the way, not as, as not a co-worker, is apparently his boss, Donald boss. His boss sold him a gun sold him a gun. Wow. They got him. Oh, no, yes. And then there's also a Troy's employer who testified to individual characteristics of Troy and the impact of his death on their lives and the lives of the family members. And finally, they put up Kim Zimmerman, who said that basically he's, she's been terrified. He got a letter. She got a letter basically that she felt was threatening, urging her not to testify against him and all that kind of shit. So yeah, the victim impact they bring, they talk about a lot about Troy's kids, all these kids are going to miss him. They said none were considered stepchildren by Troy. They were all his equally. They said it's going to be hardest on poor little seven-year-old Mary. Said Mary was his shadow, whether he was garden planting, chasing chickens or putting out lines in the boat. She was with him. There's a big void in her life that as a mother, I can't fill. And Evelyn, I also said that the oldest daughter, Brandy, is due to deliver Troy's grandchild next month. And he'll never get to see his grandchild. And Zeb has lost the only father figure he's ever had. She says he's had to grow up to fill Troy's shoes and be the man of the house. She said she constantly relives this night. She said that she was not able to be there for her children in their time of grief when she was recovering from her wounds. She couldn't go to a funeral. She was not hospital for so long. She couldn't even go to her husband's funeral. Not only was she separated from her children while she was in the hospital, but also during extensive after care at her brother and sister-in-laws' house as well. The salon home on Verdunville Lane where the murder took place had been damaged and is not livable. She said my kids couldn't live in a home where their father had been murdered. Fair. Great point. Yeah. They said since the boinkins live in Bob, that's the in-laws she's staying with. Live in Baldwin, Zeb and Mary stayed with other relatives in centerville until school started. So she was separated from her children now too. The sister said we took care of Evelyn for three months treating her wounds, helping her through her anger and her anxiety. Okay, then Zeb, talk about Mary too. Zeb said she's a little tomboy. I guess she was a son to him too. She kissed the ground that he walked on and he felt the same about her. Troy's mother also said she's not the same child as before. Her dad was her life. She added that Troy's absence is also hard on Brandy who's about to have a baby. She said he would have been a grandfather next month. He was taken away from all of us. So the defense, okay, how do you do this? Well, they put up T.A. Messina, who testified to the character of Donald as a trustee when he was previously incarcerated years ago before he was a murder. Employee of the jail? Yeah. No, an employee of the jail testified that. Kenneth Leblanc and Kenneth Backie, Backway, B-A-Q-U-E testified about a prison ministry group to which they belong and how they met Donald through that group during his previous incarcerations. By the way, talking about how great he was during his previous incarcerations, it's not a good argument because he got out and murdered somebody kept going. Yeah, kept going. That shows he's fine in jail, but then when he gets out, he can't handle that. It's the worst. They testified to their knowledge of his strong faith and desire to have a wife and children. He said, "All you ever talked about is he wants to get married and have a family and have faith." He didn't do any of those things, but he really wanted to. He really wanted to have faith and go to church and get married. He's fucking somebody else's wife and thinks he got her pregnant. Wow. This Leblanc also testified about the lack of parental support that he received. And finally, his brother Mark testified about the family not life, the abusive alcoholic father, him being kicked out at 16. Now, Mark went on to be a sergeant in the US Army. He said that the four children that had the alcoholic father, who was also abusive to their mother, Mark is the only one who's done well for himself. He said, "Everybody else is a fucking mess." He said, "I had a high school coach that put me on the right track that resulted in me being the only kid to succeed out of our family." Wow. He said, "Donald never had that. He never had anybody guiding him." And he said, "Also, his sister was pregnant at 16 and by the age of 24 had five kids." Oh, Jesus. Good. We need more of these genetics flooding the fucking space here. In nine years, she had five kids, meaning every other year she's throwing out another kid. Eight years. Yeah, that's crazy. 16 to 24. And 16, that's crazy right there. That's right. Well, she might have been here. He was probably 16, too, or who knows? Down there, who knows? Their parents who moved from Patterson to Hackbury almost 20 years ago have never been there for any of us. He said they didn't even come to my wedding 14 years ago. And that's my whole life story in Donald's, too. He said, "But Donald never had the support I had." He said, "Donald looks at things differently than I do. He's always been held down and seen as an underachiever, a troublemaker. I'm the only one who saw his potential." He said he saw a dramatic and Donald, while he was in prison. He had matured and earned his welding certificate and been employed in the profession when he got out. But then he got fired and ended up somewhere else. So Mark told the jury that he did not have the parental support but he does have strong faith, a strong faith and he wants to, he wants to live a productive life. - Okay. - And yeah, he also talked about fighting his father when he had to fight his father and all that. They also, he just talks about, also, they bring up prison ministers that have come to know him while he's at the correctional facility as well. The Catholic prison ministers here told the jury that they saw a maturing process in Donald after he'd come back to his faith. One said he loved his church. He also added credence to Mark's testimony on the black of support from the parents. He said there were two times when he went to visit the family to try to get them to attend Donald's parole hearings later on and although they were offered a ride, they would not go. This was earlier. So this was when he was trying to get out of prison the first time, he said, I'll give you a ride. He just needs to have people there. They're like, fuck him. So yeah, he said he found his God in prison but he lost him when he got out. - Shit. - And considering the death penalty, he told the jury they had already cited three aggravating circumstances when they found him guilty of first degree murder, aggravated kidnapping and aggravated burglary and causing the risk of great bodily harm or death to more than one person. - Yeah. - He said no remorse has been shown by the defendant. He's only been worried about himself. They also argued, the defense argued that they had no way to know the jury had no way to know that Donald was gonna kill Zimmerman and that the death was not premeditated. He said, the prosecution said, or I'm sorry, the defense said that his crimes are not the worst type of first degree murder. - No. - These are okay murders. Yeah, they're not the worst. - They're not the road. - He said, did he have a right to do it? - No. - Does he deserve to be punished? - Yes. - But you should also look at his other character traits. - Yeah. - He said, quote, he's not the worst type of offender. If you give him the chance to go back to his faith, he can be redeemed. - He went, he was gonna go door to door to find her. - He's horrible. - Until he gave up. - Or ran out of bullets. - He just gave up after the first one. - Yeah, he had already killed the guy. I was like, shit, I better get out of here. They're calling the one's calling 911. The prosecution rebuttal said, did his Catholic faith affect his decisions when he tried to kill Zimmerman and shot the salons. Donald has earned a sentence of death, as what they said. So, let's find out what the jury finds. Under two hours of deliberation, they find he was one engaged in the perpetration or attempted perpetration of an aggravated kidnapping or second degree kidnapping. These are the aggravators. Engaged in the perpetration or attempted perpetration of an aggravated burglary, knowingly created a risk of death or great bodily harm to more than one person. They don't really find any statutory mitigators, just really isn't any in the case. And they say, you so, they fuck off death penalty for you, Donald. - You will die about that in Louisiana. - Kind of earned that one, I gotta say. He did went about everything. I just mean, like, in court, he had to expect to be that's what he's gonna get when he went about what he did, the way he did it and the way he wouldn't admit to it and chose a remorse. - He's a dangerous, dangerous man. He shot a woman in the gut, probably expecting that she would die. - Oh yeah, I'm sure, close range. Power right here. - Yeah, all the way through. - Same way, Lee Harvey Oswald got shot. That's exactly the way she got shot. Like, Jack Ruby came up and plugged her. Like, that's what happened here. - God damn. - So Evelyn, right after this decision, she puts a thing in the papers, an editorial sends out to all the newspapers here, saying thank you for each act of kindness and comfort. Saying thank you for each act of kindness and comfort, just doesn't seem to be enough to express my feelings. I found no word to truly express my gratitude to each of you. Life has moved on fairly steadily for many of you, but there are those of you who understand that each day will always be a challenge in many lives to put things together. One stepping stone on this path in life was the time of the trial. Many of you were there in person for us. Many more of you were there spiritually for us. I can't imagine not having all of you there in each way. Those of you who each played a role from the legal standpoint were there to play a role of comfort as well, maybe without even knowing it. But more importantly, my heart goes out to the 14 of you who are jurors and alternate jurors. You heard and saw firsthand all of the details of the night that changed so many of our lives forever. As a jury, you were asked to put your feelings aside and make choices accordingly to the law of Louisiana. I saw the looks of pain in many of your faces and felt it in your hearts. Probably especially when they said death and then Donald snapped at them and said, is that your final answer? And they were like, oh, yeah, I guess I've rattled them a little bit, you know what I mean? And they said, no, you're the weakest link goodbye. And then he was sent away. Oh, I guess you could say it's survey says with the jury that's sort of a survey. That'd be fun. That'd be fun. Yeah, I felt compelled to tell you now this. Many months ago, I had the let go and let God. All that was supposed to happen with the outcome of the trial was out of my hands and given to God. I believe that you would be a voice of God's will, whatever the verdict and sentence would be, not mine or anyone else's. To ask what I wanted never was important. I have always felt there's a reason for all things and a time for it. I want to let each of you know that I'm sure it was hard for each of you and no matter what the choice was, it was what God, the one God wanted. You will each, you will each one always be in my prayers. May you feel God's blessing and always have peace and Evelyn. So, this poor woman here, that's fucking horrible. By the way, the whole thing is terrifying. Horrible recovery, everything else here. She ended up, this is pretty cool. There's a Dr. Donna Tessie that took care of her at Franklin foundational hospital. Apparently Evelyn now works for Dr. Tessie, not a bed and breakfast that she owns. Oh, Jesus, that's weird. That's real weird, yeah. The first time she saw Donald again was at his grand jury hearing where he was indicted. She said he would never face me, not even at trial. He didn't come from a very good family, but he wasn't stupid. None of what he did was illegal act of insanity. Didn't even look at her. No, she said she's conflicted at times about the death penalty. She said, but she's decided that it's believing in God's hands. She said, if I thought, I thought if God moves one juror to be against the death penalty, then it won't be. I believe in fate. You have to go through this. Staying involved in the legal aspect was important, so I could be the voice of Troy, my children and Troy's family. She said her children will always be credited with giving her the will to survive. Yeah, the district attorney, one of the people of victim's advocate person said, Evelyn was a very strong person she had to be. She managed to pull through. She was a true innocent victim. You can't get anymore innocent. She never saw this guy before in her fucking life. They said that one way or the other I wish that closure in it would all come faster, Evelyn said, being in limbo while he sits on death row and gets a peel after a peel is hell. But when people ask how we do it, I say I don't know, you just do it, you just have to deal with it. Now he appeals in 2006, and this is kind of the big appeal here. It includes 32 assignments of error, including violations of Miranda rights and effective assistance of council. There's all sorts of shit he's claiming now. Yeah, I said he made statements without a lawyer. So that's one thing. The court, now the state actually conceives here that in brief that only the first part of the interview is admissible up to the point where he stated that he didn't want to talk anymore. The state agrees that the defendant's right to remain silent under Miranda was violated at some point and that the police response of substituting interrogation teams to continue the questioning did not scrupulously honor his invocation of his right to cut off questioning. So he'd say, I don't want to talk anymore. They would leave and be like, he doesn't want to talk to us. Maybe he wants to talk to you too and send two more people in there. Maybe we'll have better luck. He didn't say I want a lawyer. He just said I don't want to talk anymore. So he never said I want a fuck. If he said I want a lawyer, so the court says we agree with the state's concession. We find that the lieutenant and agent Rupert failed to honor his invocation of his right to remain silent and that his statements during the portion of the interview after he first invoked the right to remain silent should not have been admitted into evidence. We also find that continued interrogation by Chief McGuire and Detective Sonnier did not scrupulously honor the defendant's invocation of his constitutional right to remain silent. The police practices on display here are specifically prescribed in Mosley quote, where the police failed to honor a decision of a person in custody to cut off questioning either by refusing to discontinue the interrogation upon making or upon request or persisting in repeated efforts to wear down his resistance and make him change his mind. It is hilarious, but yeah, but we can't be doing this. You can't be doing it. I mean, that's fun! don't get me wrong. It's very funny. They said that we hold the trial court abused its discretion and failing to suppress the portion of the first videotape statement after the point where he said that he want to cut off questioning. So one finding of error doesn't finish all this, so the court must determine whether the error was harmless and that's what they're going to discuss. Also about the second statement, they said they have to assess whether it was obtained in violation of his right to remain silent or whether the interrogation resulting in the first statement tainted the second one. They said there's a time delay between the first statement and the booking procedure was almost six and a half hours after he had rested plus the booking procedures and administrative interview unavoidable to all inmates. These are asking where would your address last known this is relative shit like that. This was not state-initiated contact meant to interrogate the defendant about the facts of the crime. Indeed, they said even the lieutenant specifically informed him he was not there to obtain a statement. The videotape shows him sitting on a bench shackled but later unshackled to effectuate the picture taking and fingerprinting and basically the lieutenant is sitting nearby at a computer dressed in casual clothes while whistling or humming. So it's not an oppressive environment is what they're saying. He's not wearing a fucking SS outfit while, you know, slamming a riding crop down next to him on the bench and yelling at him is just stepping around his chair. Yeah, he's just whistling fucking Dixie over here jerk it up. So the Miranda morning, we're again discussed with the defendant who signed the waiver rights form. We also note that lieutenant did not follow the defendant's lead and begin interrogating him. The lieutenant merely answered the questions asked independently by the defendant. They said, quote, police are not a blige to ignore spontaneous and unsolicited statements by someone in custody as long as those statements do not result from police initiated custodial interrogation or questioning reasonably likely to elicit an incriminating response. So you can say, I want to talk to a lawyer and that's fine. They can't ask you questions, but if you say I want to talk to a lawyer, then five minutes later, you're like, it felt really good to cut that bitch's head off. That can still be used. That's usable. Yeah, they didn't get, they didn't interrogate that out of you who volunteered that. It's not everything after that. Yeah, it doesn't just end the world when you do that. You got to just fuck up at the same time. Yeah. The third statement, unrecorded statement, they said they're talking about whether that one is a violation. And they said there was no evidence indicates he received a new set of Miranda warnings. However, the defendant, a veteran of the criminal justice system had received a full set of warnings from the lieutenant at booking in the previous evening, and the advice was presumably fresh on his mind a few hours later when he agreed that he would talk to the captain. He said he basically, he should know that shit. The fourth statement, he offered to sign a consent to search his house because he appeared eager for the police to collect the evidence which he said would free him. The police told him that a waiver of rights had to be done at the same time as his voluntary consent to search. He now complains that this trickery coerced him into making a recorded statement. They said employees to mislead a suspect that do not rise to the level of compulsion or coercion to speak are not within Miranda concerns. You can trick people. That's allowed. Right. Perfectly allowed for the cops to lie to you, trick you, do all that shit that you say. He's got kinds of weird tactics. All kinds of shit here. So they go really into detail about that whole thing. They said the videotape of the booking reveals that he immediately responded, yeah, I'm going to need a lawyer though. And lieutenant explaining the procedure about appointing obtaining appointed counsel as opposed to hiring one. Was he subject to interrogation at the time of his booking? And they say that the lieutenant's words and actions at that time were not the functional equivalent of questioning, but rather words or actions part of the normal police attendant thing that they do with arrest and custody. Okay. And they also talk about his phone call with his brother, which they're like, it says it's recorded. Everybody knows it's recorded. Sorry. Then there's juror issues. And these are the ones I kind of have a problem with here. Here's three different jurors. Here's Stephen Demungu, I guess. They asked, do you think it's proper function? The state should have a death penalty for certain types of cases. This is the initial questioning of jurors to pick them. He said, yes, sir. They said, do you have a problem with the state seeking the death penalty in this type of case? The guy said, no, I do not. They said, do you understand the procedure? Yes. They said, could you weigh all the factors and be fair? Yes, I could. And all that kind of shit. Now the defense questions. And the defense said, everybody's entitled to their opinion on this. You favor given them what they deserve. He's talking about what he put on his juror on the show. He wrote what they deserve. Yeah. You also put something about they asked you a question about the defense attorney, what you think about the defense attorney. And you put, why do they need them? If arrested, he must be guilty. What? It's never put that person on a jury. Oh, this is the prosecution's rules over what? That's right. They don't want it to be fair. They want to win. That's what's crazy. The prosecution doesn't, they're not being paid to win. They're being paid for justice. So they should be, they should try to be a thousand percent fair. I get then they can't run for office and say they have a 99% conviction rate. But that guy. Stop with this shit. That guy's a problem on a jury, though. Fuck, yes. Then they said, he said, okay, is that how you feel if they're arrested? And this guy said, well, I feel if he's caught with his hand in the cookie jerry's guilty. Okay. Okay. The, the facts to know that. By the way, we both said, okay, the defense counsel said, okay, it's exactly what they said, too. At this point, life is, is life an option or the only, and this guy said, well, I mean, now that I understand the proceedings, I can keep an open mind. And they said, okay, you put down, give them what they deserve. You favor the death penalty. And he said, give them life or death. Okay. So they said, they go back and forth. And they say, so you did do that, but you're backing off of this a little now. And he says, yes. And they said, after you've heard what the procedures are, you're backing off. And he said, yes. Don't put that guy in the jury. By the way, he was a jur. He was. Absolutely. Another jur, Ginny Raymond. They said, do you think it's proper for them to push to the death penalty? She said, yes. Do you have a problem with them seeking the death penalty? No. Yada Yada, because you consider, then they said, Ms. Raymond, I'll ask you the same question. If they prove beyond a reasonable doubt, my client was guilty of first degree murder and an aggravating circumstance exists, would you automatically vote for the death penalty? And she said, yes, I would. Anthony Parker, one more. They said they ask him again. Do you think it's the proper function of the state to be able to have a death penalty? And he said, yes, because if you say, no, then you're not qualified for the jury. If you said there shouldn't be a death penalty, which is the dumbest fucking thing in the world. So they said, now you indicate on your death penalty question on your form, I think the question that's posed to you in your form is, do you generally favor or oppose? And I think you answered, yes, which kind of leaves a bunch of us lawyers reading this, we don't really know what you mean. Could you explain your position? You're given two options and you chose a third. You chose a third. I came to the fork in the road and went straight, my friend. That's not part of it. Fuck is wrong with you. Idiot. So they said on a scale of one to ten, ten being the strongest one being the weakest, what is your position in regards to the death penalty? And he said, ten, love it. Love it. Can't wait. Yes, I love my tax dollars being wasted. Yeah, you know, how there's nothing for kids to do around here? Good. Because all my money's going into this. And that's what I want. So fucking goddamn ignorance. So they said, anyway, the defense counsel posed only one question. And Mr. Parker, would you automatically vote for the death penalty? And he's responded, yes. And I have no other questions. And they went, he's on the jury. Affirmed. Affirmed. Oh my God. Then there's another one here, a lady who doesn't like the death penalty. She says it's fine and proper for the state to have a death penalty into try to impose it. But she said that she said it's a hard decision to make and I would rather not make it. I don't want any part of this. She said, I would rather see the person go to life in prison than death. And she didn't say it for like even mushy. She said, I would rather them sit there and think about what they did rather than just be gone. And there was that helping. And there's a lot of appeals and all that. And they said, so would you vote automatically for a life sentence? Because of your views. And she said, I would not vote for death. So she struck from the jury. She's not allowed to be on the jury. The other three, you can only be enthusiastic about the death penalty. You can't be against it. So they got to get 12 people who love the death penalty. There are 10, all 12 of those people or whatever, just some of those people to say they don't want you to have the death penalty, which is why there's so many times that the death penalty gets gone. Get people that are saying life or death. Yeah. And I'd prefer the one that the one that's cheaper death. What? It's fucking crazy. He also tries to argue an act of passion. This was an act of passion. Oh, so you bought a gun three days ago, tanked her up, drove. That's a lot of passion. You're very passionate man, sir. You're passionate. Less hours. Quite a lot of passion you have there, sir. Crime of passion. I hunted a woman down. And then after didn't kill her. No. After buying a gun partially on fucking on a partially lay away to God through a friend. This is crazy. Then there's the craziest one. He tries to say, bring up a racial issue. Oh, he's white. He's Troy and Evelyn are black. Oh, he's white. He ran into black man's house and shot him. And they're like, there's a racial. No, there's no racial issue here because also that was never brought up in trial at all. That was never brought up. It didn't matter. Like it wasn't even a factor. They were just people in their trailer. But the victim and the perpetrator are opposite colors. Therefore, there's a race issue. Yeah. And it's like, that's not the issue though here. You're not getting that most of the jurors are white too. So you're not going to get extra stank from them over that. So anyway, the Louisiana Supreme Court found no reversible error. They did find a bunch of errors they made because it seems to kind of fly by the sea of their ass down there, even in 2001. No reversible error in the arguments and affirm both the conviction and the death sentence. Now, there is a really, really hefty descent in this one from one of the giants. I mean, it is long detail. And they are like, no, no, no, no, everything they did is wrong. Like you can't, you can't put people to death if this is the way you're investigating shit. Like it's crazy to do that. Which I kind of agree with that. You have to be perfect today. Perfect. 2009, he sues because he claims he's not, he can't effectively practice Catholicism in prison. Oh, I need to do the stations of the cross, James. I need to do stuff. Well, they said the prison officials unfairly limited Sunday television services on death row to Baptist or Pentecostal services. Yeah, there's nothing in Latin. This is bullshit. You can't do it. So he complained he was unable to participate in Catholic mass because that's the only way they could do it from TV. So the ACLU and him come together to make an agreement. By the way, religious people hate the ACLU. They get, they fight for religious rights more than anybody, which is hilarious. So, uh, but all these, if you tell somebody in Louisiana, what do you think of the ACLU? Yeah. Sit back and get ready for your hair to blow back. Is they're going to tell you how much them liberal low sons of bitches and his, up, up, up, up, up, up, up. That's for anybody. So they, they fucking defend Nazis all the time. It doesn't matter. It's a free speech issue. So anyway, they filed a settlement securing the right of Donald to practice Catholic faith by participating in Catholic mass and confession. So apparently, uh, he sued them after being unable to do that. Now, they'll, they, he is, he is able to do that. Um, since the ACLU filed the suit on his behalf, officials at, at Angola have given him the ability to regularly view Catholic mass. The ACLU of Louisiana executive director said we're glad that since we filed suit, Angola now regularly includes Catholic and Muslim services. So we don't need Jewish because we got none of them down here, especially not in the prison. We got a few, but they ain't in prison. Tell you that. So they've popped in from time to time. I mean, when they're visiting clients, they're here, but the main case and shit, they don't stay over is the thing. They, they, they, they will walk out there. Um, the Catholic church will have the same opportunity to hold mass that other denominations enjoy on death row. And he will be allowed to fully, uh, allowed fully private confessional visits with a priest. Wow. And also the argument, the agreement also ensures, and this would be important for me, that prisoners on death row will not be compelled to listen to religious problems. You don't have to. I would be begging for the needle. If you fucking put that on every week, begging please, God, fucking inject me. I swear to God, put Windex in my fucking neck. I don't want to want to get to walked. Um, they said the ACLU has long stood for the religious rights of everyone. Donald league or simply wanted to practice his Catholic faith, those on death row, like anyone else should have the opportunity. July 2023, uh, there are 56 requests for clemency from the Louisiana pardon board, as Louisiana resumes executions and, um, including Donald and, um, the governor wrote a letter to the pardon board asking for hearings to be set in the cases. And, um, the pardon board began to comply, but opposition erupted from the district attorney. So they accused the governor of misusing the rules of governing pardons and clemency, uh, the governor countered by accusing the DA of not known what the fuck they were talking about and being ignorant of the rules that they follow. Um, Evelyn's opposed to the clemency request too. She said, this is kind of, I don't like this, the governor is stepping over things that are already in place, which should be criminal also. If I had my way and I could, I charge him for breaking the law for trying to break the law, that's just me. I charge him for making sure people's civil liberties are protected. What are you talking about? That's love you, Evelyn, but that's a little much. But James, there's, it's already been set in stone. So we can't, you can't walk over those stones. No, they're set. Um, as of now, he's still on death row. Uh-huh. And, uh, the property that the murder trailer was on is, uh, valued at a $4,000. Wow. There's something that's a pretty nice one. I guess so. It has to be, I think there's a lot of decent amount of land to it. I think it's a little bit nicer than that, uh, than that first house. I would hope so. Shit. The first house is unlivable. So there you go, everybody. There is Franklin, Louisiana. Hope you enjoyed that very quickly here. Uh, if you did, get on whatever app you're on and give us five stars and help so much double thumbs up on Netflix. That is also extremely helpful. 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