Chasing Stars W/ Cascade Riot: Fresh Finds Podcast Season 4 Episode 5

Hello and welcome back to season 4 of the Fresh Fines Podcast, the show about discovering new music with good people. I'm Ryan and joining me this episode at the Nane Rouge Brewery in Detroit, Michigan are the guys from Detroit's very own Cascade, Ryan. How are you guys doing today? Doing swimmingly. Lovely. Do you guys want to go around and introduce yourselves, say what you do in the band, maybe give a little bit of background info? I am Ryan. I play guitar and sing in the Cascade Riot band. He's one of the soundbirds of our generation. As they some say, some have said, some have said, he's a songbird of our generation. That's really it. Let me pass it to you. How about a little history? I mean, what? Go around. I'm going to pass it to you. We're going into his story. I'm going to talk about him more. There's nothing to say. I sing. I play guitar. Where were you born? What's your zone? No. In the soul's key number. Yeah. I'm a big routing number. I play guitar. That's it. Hard stop. I like it. Adam. I'm the bass guy. Bass guy. Occasional vocals. But Nick's better at the vocals. So he's taking all my vocals sometimes. The bass guy. I like it. Humble. The beautiful backing vocals. Nick's at guitar, that's it. But he lies. He does a lot of vocals. So. So you guys actually started the band way back in like 2015 or something like that, right? I'll let you dig into this and then I'll interject. I was not part of that. OK. I got some stuff to say, but let him start. Yeah, we started Cascade Riot in 2015. But we've-- I mean, we've known each other since-- Me and Ryan, that is. Adam and I since sixth grade. And we actually played in a band together. Well, we played in bands together all through middle school and in a high school. We could just never get it to work. And Alex, our drummer who is not here, was also-- I mean, we-- the three of us played together when we were kids. But we just-- we were kids, man. We couldn't figure it out. It was high school. Yeah, totally fair. Most people's bands that they start in high school don't work out. So we went our separate ways. And we came back together in 2015. And we're like, all right, let's do this for real. And that's when we started Cascade Riot. That's when the name first appeared. That's when the first EP came out. That's when the EP came out. Code Riot came out in 2015. And so that's when we started it. We lasted for about a year at that point. Because of life. Because of life, as he says, before we went on, a little hiatus again. And you know, just-- I mean, he's true. Because of life, people had their jobs. And life got in the way for a while. And then in 2022, we decided to get back-- we were like, let's do this. Let's get back together. Let's do this. And we've been playing together consistently ever since. So it's a winding road. But it got us-- It's like an interject. Absolutely. He's going to whether I like it or not. So obviously, me and Alex are brothers. For those that don't know. Is that obvious? Well, we're brothers. But me and Nick have known each other for, I would say, probably 10 years. People usually think that me and Adam are brothers. Yeah, we're very similar. Sometimes they think we're the same person. Well, we'll get into the first time I came around. But yeah, me and Nick have kind of known each other for 10 years. And we've talked on and off. Me and him playing a band earlier. And we've always-- Right before cascade, right? Before cascade, right? Me and him have always stayed in communication because we've always wanted to do something together. And life is weird, and now he's here. So that's cool. That's nice. Yeah, and fast forward a few years when I came into the picture. These guys opened up for Billy Talent. Oh, I think I remember seeing that post on Instagram or something like that, yeah. And this guy, he contacts me. He's like, hey, would you be able to-- like, because he knows I do photography and video and stuff. He's like, would you be able to capture some shots at the show? And I'm like, yeah, of course. Like, I'll be there. So I showed up. And that, like I said, people thought I was him after they had already played. I was standing in line to get a dream talking to people. Yeah, and people were like, oh, like, man, you did great up there. And I'm like, I want to be a fan. Yeah, that was not me. I was taking photos. I didn't say that. I was like, yeah, thanks. And then they really let me buy you a drink. And I was like, OK. And I'll take it. Yeah. So that was the first time that they called me in. And we kind of, they were like, oh, there's chemistry here. Even though I was just taking photos. But they really all kind of knew at that point. Sure. So they had this feeling. And then maybe a few weeks later, I got a text message from this guy. And he's like, hey, do you still play guitar? And are you interested in joining and the rest? The rest is your dream. As they say, is history. So flash forward a little bit. We get to about a year ago now. You guys released PageNotFound, which was your first EP post-hiatus post getting back together. Like I said, almost a year of that project so far. That's true, isn't it? I didn't even realize that. Yeah, me neither. What year was that? It was last year. Last year. So how much do you think that has changed the trajectory of all of this for you over the last year? I mean, we needed something to-- we'd released a few singles before that after coming back. The EP was the first package release. Yeah, the first bigger project. The first bigger project. And we saw it as something we needed to do, because it's like, we're back. We got to get material out, and I think we got more show opportunities from just from releasing that thing. And it really did help get the name out. I don't think that we would have, like, the Billy Talent show, the Nick Mansion. I mean, we wouldn't have had that had we not released that EP. Yeah. So things like that. You know, you put material out and you hope it gets noticed, and the material is what opens the doors, you know? Just having stuff out. Yeah, totally. And the great thing about releasing it, too, is if people connect with it, like they clearly have, because I mean, you guys keep getting opportunities with this. Like, releasing more of the music, more people, know the stuff, the shows are just better because people have, like, a better vibe going in. They can sing along to all the songs and stuff. Yeah. And another cool thing is we got an email a few months after that EP came out saying, hey, it came across your EP on Bandcamp. We want you to come to Toronto, and we'll pay for you to come up and play a show here in Toronto. Like, just because they happen to come across that EP. Yeah. So it's just, you know, I mean, you put stuff out and you hope people notice it. And if they do, there it is. It opens doors. It's like a resume. It is like a resume. It's like a resume builder. And I think that EP, in particular, was kind of a continuation. At least that's how I see it. I'd be curious what you think of kind of like what we'd been doing before that. It was kind of like kind of bounce off of him, and I think, I would say the same. It's kind of just like what we were familiar with and what we're used to. So I'd say now that Nick's here. We're really changing the game. You people will see. We'll see. We'll knock it out of ourselves because we do have another release that came out after PageNapFile. I was going to say, that's what moving forward 2024 kind of feels like the year of Cascade Riot. Because I mean, the end of January, beginning of February, you guys really life on Venus, as well as like, like I said, you've been playing shows at least once a month, maybe even a little bit more around the Detroit area, getting some more opportunities like the Billy Talent gig. And as far as I understand, you guys are also currently writing or have written the first full length as well. Is that correct? Pretty much. There's about 10 songs that are there. I don't want to get too crazy with it. I'll let him go too, but we're trucking along. So we have the songs written. We are actively recording a full length album right now. That's true. Not only that too, you guys are working on that. You also got announced a couple of months ago that you guys are playing excellency up in Bay City as well, which is excellent, excellent, but honestly, as far as like, you know, like DIY kind of centric festivals in Michigan goes, like, that's one of the bigger ones. So like, big ups to you guys for getting on that too. That's another part of the reason why I think 2024 is just kind of like your guys year, you know? You're the man, right? Thank you. You're the man. Yeah. We were super excited to be a part of that. And I still don't even know, I still don't even know how that happened. We just got, we got an email asking us if we wanted to be a part of it. And you know, we were like, yeah, absolutely. We want to be a part of it. Oh, hell yeah. There's so many great bands on that line up too. Oh, yeah. Oh, the Troy. Troy. Excellency. That's the guy right there. Just saying. He's just saying. So the guy did an excellent job at the pipe room. That's why I want to say it. So. Yeah. For whoever was there, it was very fun. Thank you. So going back to life on Venus, that is your most recent release as of right now. I've been bumping it all week, getting ready for this. Listen to it. I like that someone's bumping it. Yeah. I got it crank loud, man. Besides me. Yeah. So like, what was kind of going into that, like you kind of mentioned that like you're progressing from your sound a little bit, like even just production wise, I know that the member that actually produces you guys is actually around right now. But like to me, listening to the two EPs back to back, life on Venus just sounds fuller. It sounds more complete to me, as well as like the songs just feel really good. Like it feels like you guys stepped up. Well, thank you. Yeah. As you, like you said, Alex, our drummer produces our stuff and he's just, he's a student of the game. Like, he's always just finding ways to improve the production. And I think that that's part of the difference between the two sound wise sonically anyway song wise I mean yeah, that's kind of what I meant earlier with page nap found I felt like we were just kind of continuing what we'd been doing years ago It's just a continuation sure and going into life on Venus We really wanted to expand on that like I mean I think we went into it. We talked about it at the time like let's let's like stay in this lane We're in but like let's expand on it, you know add some new textures and try some different things and all Ultimately, that's what led to Nick being in the band - because you know we tried some different guitar things and we realized at the time Like I don't want to fall asleep off of that EP. Yeah, at the end at the end There's this lead lake that I played on the recording, but we talked at the time It was like how are we gonna do this live like, you know, we want it to sound full Yeah, and so I think even even then like the seeds were planted of bringing this guy in but you know It's that kind of stuff. It's like yeah, let's let's expand on what we're doing here There was an effort to do that. It also feels like the lyrics are a little bit more a little bit more mature on this one A little bit more thought out not to say that the other ones weren't thought out But you know the the other ones were we're a lot more of like kind of your standard pop punk fair I feel like this project gets a little bit Existential a little bit like thinking back and like, you know, just kind of thinking about your life No, I think that's that's totally fair Yeah, because we just the first one like I said we had the songs on page not found And we kind of banged it out and then for the second one life on Venus It was like let's let's take our time and really dig in at things a little more and lyrically It requires a vulnerability to kind of 100% yeah kind of stuff out there So I mean that was an effort, you know, because I I write the lyrics and it was like I'm gonna let myself say some of these things Well, and it's kind of weird too like especially like you know You're you're not making music specifically for these people, but it's like, you know You're relatives your parents like people like that hear this music and it's like kind of things that maybe you wouldn't have even brought up With them regularly and and they're hearing it almost from like a third source Yeah, and so like it's a weird vulnerability there that you have to be okay with you have to be okay with it And there's there's really you're right you're exactly right you just have to like I'm just doing this It is what it's it's going out there I'm sending it out in the world. I I don't really care. It's out there. Let's go. And that's that's what we did with this one And you know again not to get ahead of ourselves, but I think we dig into that even more on this new stuff We're working on I like it. I'd like to add if I could no No, I just think I think we finally realized and I'm speaking for Nick now - that he's in the band Oh for it that we all bring something different to the table instead of locking ourselves into that one thing like we all learn stuff about each other every single day Like oh you like that, but and you like that. Well, what you know what I mean like we all drive from different places We also disappoint each other every single day But you know we all come from different backgrounds We all like to listen to different shit, and it's kind of the point where we just trust each other now to where like even him or me Or Ryan or Al whatever part they're bringing to the band like we know it's nine times out of ten It's gonna work and it's gonna sound fucking cool. It's gonna sound like us. Yeah, I like that So that's where I'm at with it. I'm glad we finally got to that point because like he said We were kind of just continuing on the same path, but especially with the new stuff I feel like we've there's the fork in the road We took the way we're not supposed to and it's sound really cool Sure, and you know it's talking about the new stuff. It always feels weird talking about stuff that nobody's heard yet You know, but like even just life on Venus. You know, I'll focus on that. Yeah, more of the differences It was like god even like so Al our drummer is also a guitar player and so he'll come up with ideas sometimes and actually cobwebs off that EP Musically was an idea they they came from him. Okay, and I worked with him to finish that we should play him more. Yeah I like we worked together to help finish that and that's the first time that we'd ever done anything like that because it's usually me Just bringing in the songs and so that was that was something new You know, we start off that EP with a PNC which I think is the probably the most similar to the older stuff that we that we've done I would agree with that and there was that was kind of the reason we started with that song too because it was like Okay, here's kind of what we were and now here's where we're going or what we are now You're like dipping your toes in the water. Yeah, and then now we're gonna fully jump in exactly Yeah, and I think the biggest departure on that EP was probably chasing stars I think that's probably the most different from what we'd been done and that's my favorite song on the project Yeah, it feels the most unique the most interesting to me for sure Yeah, I mean it was we hadn't done anything like that up until that point and it's definitely it definitely stands out for that reason to me It's a little more that's another one. I'll grab by the balls. How so remember he like flipped it on a teals My only were sitting there and he's like I have this shit for it take a listen. We're just like whoa He brings Al brings a production element to it, you know So you have the song and then he kind of a lot of times he can see the the final vision for it. He thinks like a producer Yeah, yeah, I totally get that for sure so for that one. It was I feel like we're just doing an Al plug If you're in a Detroit area band contact L. I won't list his phone number big L's toy burn The guy's got an ear for music contact. I'm thank you. I like it. Yes So like that song was a little more atmospheric. There was a little more texture to it and that's actually one of the songs that because we had finished We were almost finished recording that EP when Nick joined the band technically So Nick came in at the tail end of that and Nick. I actually played some acoustic guitar on that song So there's there's another fact because by then we had asked him to join the band and he was kind of hanging around for the final sessions And it was like let's get this guy on here. Yeah, so I remember I we shouldn't want to impose but like because I was like the thoughts Everything kind of already thought out in I was already digging everything I was hearing and I'm like, yeah, I'm on board But I'm they talked me into it. It's interesting. This is the second episode in a row Where one of the members of the band wasn't actually in the band for most of the writing of the most recent project And so it's interesting kind of hearing that perspective where you are kind of seeing it from like the outside But are still able to have like a little bit of like creative input one way or the other and like how you choose to like Use that, you know and he did I mean like what when we were recording I mean you you had input on what we were doing. Yeah, what's weird to say but I feel like the songs are still evolving Oh, they are I He comes up with shit all the time Like I'm gonna do this live because yeah, I mean there's the way we did it in the studio But you go see it live with this other guitar player who wasn't in the band at the time He adds something to it and now if I like hear one of the songs without like the part that I play live It kind of bumps me out Not to my own horn or anything, but like that's the interesting thing about music though is the fact that even after it's recorded and put out It continues to evolve when you play it live or when somebody does a cover of it or remix or you know any of these ways Um, I forget where I first heard the term but the act of doing music or music Actively changes the way that a song exists and I think that that's really interesting Yeah, because there's songs we play live and it's like the more we play it the song just it feels different each time You play it and you find new ways of playing it different thing different interpretations sure Well like live now our live wall has that solo now that I just threw that's what I was thinking about And like anytime that song like anytime I play it on the recording I'm I'm just kind of like oh like I can hear the solo, but it's not actually there. I see what you're saying though I get off on that shit when I go see my favorite bands live and like the library versions different a little bit different Yeah, it's like it's better. I wish I had the live version I mean there are there are things I'll do just in the moment when we're playing live It's like I'm gonna do this little lick here Yeah, it wasn't on the recording, but what's what I'm feeling right now and just throw it in there Yeah, maybe maybe it becomes a you know each time you play it Maybe you want that like to be there. Maybe you don't but you try things and see how it feels in the moment Yeah, so preparing for this episode I listened to your guys episode of 5 at the door with Christy shout out my guy Fantastic, you know, there's been all of the All of the people picking out like oh, yeah, huge green day influence huge food fighters influence You know all of that kind of like classic stuff from that era What some stuff that influenced this music that people might not pick up on right away some stuff that people Might not think about let me jump in there. All right. Yeah, I like that something just went straight to the dome Listen, so I'll speak for all four of us Nick. I don't know where he really stands But he can jump in if he wants we're huge kiss guys. Okay, I'm definitely huge in the kids For huge kiss guys grew up with it me and Ryan were classic rock snob's growing up L was a classic classic rock snob girl. Yep. That's what he was learning it hard. Led Zeppelin taught me everything I need to know anything you see. Yeah, I don't know you people may not hear it But sometimes I feel like that like nostalgic like over the top classic rock sound comes through in some of his like vocal melodies or Sometimes of riffs because we're inspired by all that shit sometimes when we cover lick it up live No for real what One of the things that I kind of just thought of as far as like, you know, the, the kind of like more theatrical, kind of like classic rock type stuff that you were talking about. And this isn't even on the new EP, but destination nowhere off of a page not found. The way that there's like that very dramatic tempo, like downward tempo shift at the very end. Like I kind of pick up on that there where it's like there's that big like, it just makes it very theatrical, very over the top in that moment. I mean, that's a story. I mean, it's kind of embarrassing, but I mean, like, whoa, I'll watch it. I'm just saying that's like like, when we were kids, it's all we did, classic rock. We looked up to these guys. Oh, yeah. So, you know, you know how it is, man, you're a guitar player. You're gonna get a guitar. There's those riffs, there's those songs. You're like, I'm gonna learn Iron Man, and I'm gonna learn Smoke on the Water. And yeah, I mean, me and him were just sit there and when CDs burning was a thing, we would just burn CDs like all day long. Like, this is shot out to my boy Keith Richards. Rolling stone. My boy. It's interesting to me actually thinking about this because it's like, I think that you guys are some of the first people that I've interviewed that actually like, as far as influences are very close to like what I pull on like when I write music and stuff like that because it is kind of like, I don't know, I didn't get into like modern rock and like, you know, the modern emo or pop punk scenes or anything like that until I got older. Like, you know, I originally am from the upper peninsula way up north. And so, like, you know, a Sustant Maria area. Yeah. And so, like, you know, around there, people just listen to classic rock. You know, it's all around. It's what plays in the bars. It's what plays on the radios. You know, all that stuff. And so, I think that that's interesting that, you know, that's just kind of an influence for certain people who maybe didn't get into like the modern, like, trendy rock music. Quotan Quote is as far as saying, like, the classic rock bands, the classic punk bands, you know, the food fires, the green days, the bad religions, the kiss, all that. That's probably the foundation. I like it. And then, you know, you build it from there. This guy's chomping at the bed. I mean, I'm enjoying the answer. Same work. Same work now. Go for it. No, I mean, it's true. It is the foundation. And it was a gateway. Those bands were a gateway because now you're interested in rock music. Yeah. And now it's like, so what does this lead to? And, you know, you mentioned green day. Yeah. We're all big green day fans. And like, for me, green day was a gateway to other punk bands. Yeah. More alternative music. And so, everything just kind of leads to another. And, you know, yeah, more recently, what really, what's interesting to me is really getting this band going again. That's when I got exposed to a lot of what's going on now. Yeah. You know, and it's like, if you're in the, you know, on the Twitter sphere, you're exposed to it all the time. Yeah. I mean, you're full blown meltdowns of the world. Yeah, of course. Shout out. Shout out to Will. What's interesting to me is these, these bands that are taking the sound that we grew up listening to, and they're using it as like the, the nostalgia factor. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. For sure. Makes me feel old. It makes me feel old there. Also, I was telling him the other day, Ryan, I was like, it actually kind of inspires me. So it's like, that's what I like to do. It's nice that it's still there. Oh, yeah. I like that there's newer bands out there. They're like, fuck, man. Food fires are fucking cool. Green days, fucking cool. Like, it's interesting. I feel like with a lot of those bands, there's kind of like, you know, they're really popular for a while. And then everybody just kind of turns on them. Like, they got too popular. Like, like, Green Day was kind of a prime example of that. Like, you know, they, they, they, they were, they got massive up until like American idiot. And then like, after that, like, it became cool to hate Green Day. And then, and then now it's, it's kind of like coming back again, where people are like, no, yeah, green, green days, like, I think that's kind of the way that, I mean, whenever a band gets really successful, which is kind of what happened with Green Day around American, you know, they became mega. They'd been big, but now they sell out sell out international super hits. And yeah. And everybody wants to hate on the sell out or the perceived sell outs and the, the, the people that have the mega success. It's like, they're, you know, they're not, they lose some of that cool factor, I think, in a lot of people's eyes. It's really interesting that that happens though. Like, like, this band that you like so much, like, become successful and big and brings in this new audiences. And suddenly, everybody like, hates on them or hates on the, like, fans that came in later. Yeah. It's, it's just, it's kind of stupid. But like, I've been on both sides of that. I try to check myself sometimes because like, I know that there have been bands that I really like that they've released a new album that's been bigger than anything else. And I'm like, I don't think it's as good as the other stuff. And I'm like, am I just being a hater because they're like getting popular? Or is it actually like, do I not really fuck with it as much as the older stuff? I've done the same thing. And, you know, sometimes I feel like I need to check myself when it comes to that type of thing. The problem I have it with is like, what do you want these bands to, what do you want them to do? Do you just want them to stay at that? Toilet obscurity forever. Do you want them to die at the below sea level? Or do you want them to succeed so they live on forever? Yeah, exactly. I mean, too, there's bands that like will release like the same album almost again and again and again and again. And you just kind of lose interest. And you don't know. But kind of like, harceting back to what you say and kind of what he says, kind of just like, can a band, if you're a band, do you really want to stay DIY forever? Like, just be honest with yourself. Well, and that's the thing because if you're staying DIY, then you're very much limiting your how successful you can be, how much money you can make. It like even whether you can, you know, be able to do it full time or not. I'm not saying it's about the money, but it's all about bringing it to the mat to me and spring it to the masses. I think it's about like, who doesn't want to play for 50,000 people? I think it's what your goals are because I do think that there are some bands that are totally content saying DIY. Oh, yeah. And I think that's valid if that's, if that's what you want to do. I know speaking for us though, we want it, we want to get this music out to as many people as possible. And I mean, that's it. You know, I don't think we think about it. It's just, we want as many people to hear this as possible. I think I speak for everyone in the band. It is our life. And we want it to be our lives. So. Oh, 100%. I like that a lot. So that's the only thing I could say. Like, you know, there is people out there where they're like, I don't, I don't have enough time to devote to this. And then like they won't take it as seriously as other people. If you love it, you can make it work. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, yeah. What is it? You'll make time for the things that matter to you. Yeah. So we're doing exactly. And that's kind of what like the whole DIY thing is about is doesn't really matter if it's successful or not. It's kind of, you're just doing it. Yeah. Doing it to do it because you like to do it. Yeah. We would be doing it no matter what at this point. Yeah. Especially going so long, having not done it. You know, so to come back together, it was like, wow, not only did we miss this, we love this. And we're just going to keep doing this no matter what. We want people to hear it. Like I said, as many people as possible. But even if there's only 10 people that hear it, that's still people we're going to do. That's a big part real fonder. I feel like it. And that's kind of like what you guys were, you know, feeling when you weren't doing this for, you know, however many years brings pressure. And like if we had people that are diehard fans of us, we will keep playing just for those. I like it. Just to make them happy. I like it. I agree. So one of the things that I'm kind of interested in, this was another thing that on the five at the door episode kind of got hit on a little bit, but then it didn't go as far as I wanted it to. And so I want to bring it back up again, which is kind of like the city of Detroit, the Detroit music scene because like I said, I'm not from here originally. You guys are all from the area, right? Yes. Yep. Yeah. So it seems interesting to me. Detroit has a weird scene right now. I feel like because there are a ton of bands, a ton of venues, but it feels like everybody who is active, nobody's talking about the same bands. There's not one band is kind of like rising up and like championing Detroit as being there, the Detroit band that's going to put Detroit back on the map. There's a ton of bands that are doing great stuff and kind of like, you know, just bubbling under the surface. But and I'm just kind of curious if you guys have any insight onto has it kind of always been that way. My theory, having been here only a couple of years, is that part of it is that the Detroit Metro area is so damn spread out. Let me take this one for a minute. Yeah, take this one. So like I've been in band, obviously I've been in bands for a while, whatever. I feel like here, it's more pleased that everyone could just strike me down if I'm wrong. Oh, and I will. I feel like there's a lot of hardcore. There is. Yeah. Which is fine. It's totally fine because Detroit, I guess, is the hard city, whatever. But there's a lot of hardcore and there's good bands in the hard course in here. You know, a bad beat. They just put it on L.P. today and it's actually fucking sweet. So listen to it. I'm going to check that out later. 16 songs in the albums only like 13 minutes. It's badass. But yeah, I just feel like I feel like it leans towards more one thing and people just aren't catching on and I mean that in the nicest way possible that they're just not venturing out. Interesting. And my take is that there's so much different stuff. See, that was kind of what I was thinking because I was like, everything's so spread out. It's spread out, but there's also so much different stuff going on that it's hard for everything to coalesce into. Yeah. And back to the hardcore thing. Like there's a lot of people are doing. - All awesome things with hardcore, but that's not the only thing we have to offer here. - Yeah, I mean, there's great blues rock bands. - There's blues, there's hip hop, there's rock bands. - There's great hip hop everywhere. Garage bands, you know, like all that kind of stuff. - So yeah, we're a music city, we are. - Exactly, and I think-- - We're the motor city, but we're also the music city. - And that's the thing is I think that it doesn't really cater to one style, which is kind of it's undoing in a way. - That's what I'm saying. Because how does one thing rise to the top when you have so many things competing? - Yeah. - It's weird, I hate to say like this, but over here, I feel like it's a mixed bag, but when you go west, it's more of like that new modern email stuff. - Yeah. - So it's weird, when you take the state and split in half, it's just like, that's just kind of how it is. - You know, 'cause when you go the further out west, you get now you're headed towards Chicago and Wisconsin, and there's like so many bands out there that are just killing it right now. Like he said, even in the email scene, and you're right, I think in Detroit, Metro Detroit, there's just so much going on, and I think that is probably it's undoing. - But there's been, me and him talk about all the time, kickstand production, they're bringing some of the weird, like I mean this in a good way. They're bringing shit I haven't even heard of before, and the shows are packed in the Detroit area, just like funk bands, pop bands, like synth pop, all this crap, it's like, and people are showing up, so it's like, it's just weird, man. - Yeah, I feel like people, people in and around Detroit, how do you guys feel if I like say that? I feel like people in and around Detroit aren't like, into just one genre, because we are exposed to all these different things, we kind of find a love in all of them. I don't know, maybe that's just some BS that I'm in. - I'm sure you guys are probably familiar with like Dalley and the Alley, and like that kind of stuff, is it's like on one stage, you'll have like a hip hop act followed by like a psychedelic blues rock act, followed by like some weird like art pop stuff, and it's like everybody's just kind of into all of it. And people will sit there and watch everyone. - Yeah, exactly. - 'Cause we played Taco Fest last year, and we were probably there. - Yeah, that was the first time we met. - It's weird, 'cause we were probably the harder band at Taco Fest, but if you look at Detroit, we're probably one of the softer bands in the scene, so it's like, we were like the hard shell taco. (laughing) - Normally we're soft. - Well, maybe you are. - Whatever. - You're the softest guy now. - You do the double-decker thing, you put the hard shell inside the soft shell. - We're the cheesy gordita crunch of rock 'n' roll, baby. (laughing) - You heard it here first. - There you go. (laughing) - Although I am a little, if I'm shaking a little bit, it's 'cause I'm cold. - It's chilly here. - It's a little chilly where we're at. - Ryan, Ryan's not just nervous and knowing I'm not shaking for the nervous. - He hasn't had enough. - Szechuan beer yet. - It's not as cold as when we filmed the Chasing Stars video, though. - Oh! You have no idea. - Oh boy, tell me about it. - That video, hey, why don't you, you talk about that one. - I wasn't there. - Ryan met up to shoot the video for Chasing Stars. We went to this pier over on the east side. - Okay. - And it was like 20 degrees outside, but because of the wind chill, especially being on the water, like St. Clair just made it like negative 10 or something. We were. - And when did you put this out like March? - This was like February, I think. - February, yeah. - When did we shoot that video in January? - I think we shot it in January and released it early February. (laughing) - So it must have been really cold. - I was at cold snap, too. It was like, you know, negative 20. - And I'm like very just cold in general, like not like personality wise, but well, maybe, but, but like-- - I won't say anything. - Yeah, like we were out there and it was just free. Like there was a few times, and I'm like, I think my fingers are gonna fall off. I can't hit the buttons on my camera anymore. - Yeah, because I think it's, if we said that yet, that Nick, he filmed that video. - Oh yeah, I do that. - Nice. - He's our guy. Oh, yeah, I don't wanna fall asleep video. Nick shot that also. - Okay. - Most of it, if I was in the shot, I wasn't filming it. - That is true. - That is true. (laughing) - You can't reveal all our secrets. Sometimes it's a tripod, sometimes it's somebody who gets really into the band on camera immediately. - It's in your clone that's just got like a number two - I will. - I would be nice. - No, he's the honorary fifth member. - There you go. - Yes. - Shot out to Uncle Kong. (laughing) - So is there anything else that you guys specifically wanna touch on with new music that's yet to be released? Life on Venus, any of the upcoming shows that you guys have coming up that you wanna specifically touch on before we move on to the next part of the episode? - Yeah, I'll start. I think life on Venus is just a tip of the iceberg in my opinion. These guys can interject their own thoughts and feelings, but I think the new stuff is gonna definitely take people by surprise, I would say. - Okay. - I wanna say too much, but it's definitely, it's definitely in a different direction. So let's go there, but it's familiar at the same time. But yeah, shows, Detroit, June 29th will be at the logger house, we're going back to Toronto, which we can't fucking wait because Canada is incredible. July 6th at the Bovine Sex Club, Bovine, if you live in Canada, I think that's how they say it. And, excellency, obviously. - Excellence is gonna be crazy. I'm gonna be there. - Yeah, I'm gonna be there, right? - Yes, yes sir. And then keep a lookout for fall, because we're not stopping. - If you see me at excellency, I'll have stickers. Come say hi. - We really hope to have the album out by the end of the year. So. - That would be killer. - Well, he said 2024 is our year, so I think we have the pressure now to get out before the end of the year. - No promises, but that's the goal. - Sorry, yeah. - I'm gonna hold you to it. (laughing) - No, Al's got it. The guy's the fucking man. So, if he's at work and he's getting his ass kicked right now, but we love him. - Al is coated. (laughing) - Goated with the sauce. - Nicholas, I'll pass it to you brother. - I don't even remember what. - He wants to know what you're looking forward to. - Oh, I really wanna get this new music out there. - Hell yeah. - We've started two tracking two songs that's kind of all, all I can really say right now. - At the time of recording. - Yeah, we're in the process right now. - Let's just say this. You're most likely getting one this summer. - Yeah, well definitely release something as soon as possible. - This summer, one of these come out. - It's gonna be the song of the summer. - That's how you've been referring to it. - Did I just write the song of the summer? - Somebody did, somebody did. - Go ahead, were you gonna say more? - I, go for it. - All right. - If I have more to say, I'll stop you. - I was gonna say kind of what I was saying before is that I think Page Not Found, the first EP, was kind of us coming back. Life on Venus was really, I look at it as our first real effort as Cascade Riot, like this version of the band. - Sure, Cascade Riot 2.0. - Exactly. And now this album is like Adam was saying, it kind of takes things in a different direction. - I would say yeah, there's some stylistic things that people might not be expecting. - And trying to say, I don't wanna give too much away. - I would say that I feel like, leave 'em wanting more. - This, the new stuff we're working on. I mean, correct me if I'm wrong. I feel like we keep saying correct me if I'm wrong, but we're out there no one's been expecting so far. But I feel like the new stuff that we're demoing and working on, it just feels like what we're supposed to do. - I like that. - I feel like even though if you don't know all of us individually, you'll hear all of us individually and you'll understand. - Okay, and I'm excited personally, with Nick coming in at the tail end of the last one, to actually have him, to have you on this one, because he all over it. - It was like we released the last EP and then we went out and started playing these shows, but he wasn't really on the EP. So there was this weird element to it. So now this is the first thing we're doing with Nick, kind of from the ground up. - Yeah, and you know what, he makes us sound and he makes us look like a real band. (laughing) I'm a performer. - True. - I just act like an idiot on stage and-- - I was a little disappointed the last time I saw you guys that I couldn't hear your leads better from where I was. - I was kind of like right up front. So I couldn't hear the PA quite as much. - We had harsh words with the sound guy. - No, unfortunately. - And after we had the playroom sound guy, you were fantastic thing. - The playroom was amazing. - Yeah. - We won't speak about anything else. - Shout out to the playroom, shout out to Crowfoot, generally, for everything to think about last two shows was the most I ever heard myself. - The last two shows have been the best, honestly. - We're just gonna keep getting better. - That's the hope, right? If you start getting worse, just hang it up. (laughing) - That's always in the cards, no, I'm still. (laughing) - So moving on to the next part of the episode, we're gonna share some tunes that we've been listening to, some fresh finds, if you will. - I'm fresh, do they have to be? - I mean, they can be new, they can be new to you. It doesn't really matter. As long as they'll be new to somebody, then I think that you're good. So I'm gonna start, we're gonna go around in a circle, and then I believe that you guys chose the last two all together, right? - We have two picked out, yeah. - Okay, awesome. So my first song that I'm gonna play is by an artist called Alexi Shishkin, somebody that I follow on Twitter and has been sending me their stuff before it's been released for quite a while. They released a project, it's crazy. This dude is just a recording artist, doesn't play live. This is their second full length project of the year that's coming out. I had one back in January, and then this one is gonna come out in June. - Before we start this segment, can we do one of those things where you cut to an intermission screen so I can take a piss? - Sure, actually, let me just introduce this and then we'll stop, it'll take a couple more minutes. - Yeah, we good. - Cut it, cut it. (laughing) But anyway, so this is their second full length project of the year. I'm actually gonna be debuting this song on the episode about a week and a half before the song actually comes out. It'll be available exclusively through the Fresh Finds podcast. This song is called Rose Gold. (upbeat music) (upbeat music) ♪ Rose Gold on the kitchen floor ♪ ♪ Who knows when you walk through the door ♪ ♪ Rose came in and went ♪ ♪ Rose Gold got you feeling here for us ♪ (upbeat music) (upbeat music) ♪ Rose Gold on the kitchen sink ♪ ♪ Who knows what you had to drink last night ♪ ♪ Rose Gold on has to be wide ♪ ♪ Rose Gold fights here and tries ♪ (upbeat music) (upbeat music) (upbeat music) (upbeat music) (upbeat music) (upbeat music) ♪ Rose Gold cover in the walls ♪ (upbeat music) ♪ Rose Gold's further thrill is at all ♪ ♪ Rose Gold got you feeling good ♪ ♪ More expensive than you thought you were ♪ (upbeat music) (upbeat music) ♪ Rose Gold in the balcony ♪ ♪ Rose Gold got you more than you didn't need ♪ (upbeat music) ♪ Rose Gold is the guy you just say ♪ ♪ Rose Gold in this unique ♪ (upbeat music) (upbeat music) (upbeat music) (upbeat music) - Again, that was Rose Gold by Alexi Shishkin. I really hope I'm saying that name right. It's very possible I'm butchering it. I'm sorry. - Sounds right to me. - Yeah, I think it's right. - Having not seen it at all or anything. But yeah, man, I just love the vibe of that one, man. - Well, much like we were saying before, it's not bro country, but it's good country. - Yeah, it's kind of got the country vibe, but it's not a country song. And all of his stuff is kind of like this where it doesn't fit neatly into a box. It's kind of got like all sorts of, you know, different influences to it. - I enjoyed it. - You hear it. - And like in the guitars where the country influence comes in. - Yeah. - Just the country rock licks. (singing) - But there's so much going on, like the horns, that's like an almost a soul influence. - Yeah. - I mean, so yeah, that song is sweet. - And it's got a killer bass line too. It's like kind of funky, but like understated. - Yes. - It's not like, you know, flea going fucking nuts. - And it's the song alone. - Yeah, exactly. It's like, it's just enough to kind of keep the momentum there, you know. - And it's definitely got like that 70s feel to it. - Yeah. You were specifically mentioning kind of like the drum tone, how it's like a very natural kind of like-- - Like dry. - Yeah, dry kind of studio sound, you know, kind of like a, maybe like a, how first are you guys in like drum recording techniques? - I'm pretty good with it, not particularly good, but I used to do some producing. - Okay, cool. - But now I just let Al do it. - I was gonna say, it kind of sounds like a Glen Johns type of thing to me. - Who worked with the stones, we were talking about the stones a little bit. - Yeah, exactly. - So it has that 70s, ends up one. So yeah, it has that 70s kind of natural room kind of sound. - Yeah, which I think is great for this style, this kind of like laid back, slacker kind of like, you know, vibe. - I think it's a great, he's releasing it late spring, early summer. I think that this is the perfect time to be releasing this type of music. - Oh yeah. - It's great to just like bake in the sun and like-- - It's a moon shine, the sun. - I'm gonna bake in the sun and listen to this. And you should too. - Yes. - But then also get baked in the sun. - Shishkin. - Shishkin. - Shishkin. - Yes, the other thing too is like, like I was saying, I'm not really, like the only genre of music I can't really get into is country. But it's because of like the put on like fake twang voice that they'll do. And then they'll like stop singing. And suddenly their voice is just, they have no accent at all. But it's like put on. - Glenn Everyman. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. So like, the thing is, is there's so many country songs out there where the instrumental is like, you know, immaculate. Like it's great, like there's great musicians on the recording. But like this like, twangy voice. I mean, if it's natural and that's your real voice, then awesome. - I personally really like, as far as like country music goes, I really like bluegrass a lot. - Yeah, I feel that. - And part of the reason why is because people who play bluegrass can fucking shred on their engines. - Yeah, it's a true country. - The biggest shredders are bluegrass musicians and chicken pickers. - Yeah, exactly. - And like, and like all the people doing it though. And like, and like all the people who do that stuff are like, you know, the most genuine motherfuckers ever because like, bluegrass doesn't have mainstream appeal. So there's not like the financial incentive to become a bluegrass artist, you know? - That is true. - I think that that's really interesting. Like the music that has less mass appeal quality, that's where you're gonna get more of the people that are just genuinely just into it, you know? - Well, I mean, I think because there's no tide of formula here. - Yeah, and I think that's the key. Like what Nick is referring to, the bro country, if you will. There's a formula there. There's literally writing it for an audience. - Yeah, and that's one of the things that I love, 'cause like, like I said, I've gotten to listen to this entire project and that's one of the things that I love about it is that it doesn't stick to a formula. Everything is very like outside of the box. There's a lot of different styles that it kind of hits on. They've all got a similar vibe, so it feels cohesive, but none of it feels samey, which I really like. - Yes, very good. - So what do we have up next? What's gonna be your first pick? - My first pick is gonna be Lurk, and the song is C-thru, like a garage rock, melodic hard core band, and they're based out of Chicago. - Sounds sick. - Kicks, dicks. - Oh, here we go. - Nick, I just fell out of his chair. - He's still falling. - Oh my God. - Somebody has still fallen. - You can't see me. - But, like I just took about, like the longest fall I've ever seen. - I'm not sure if I was going down. - All right, but yeah, Lurk, they're from Chicago, the song's C-thru, C-2. - All right. - Kicks, S. - Kicks, S. (upbeat rock music) (Music) (Music) (Music) (Music) (Music) (Music) (Music) (Music) (Music) ♪ That the courage across the line ♪ ♪ Play to your voice ♪ ♪ The one that yelled at desperation ♪ ♪ The ones they threw it at the time ♪ ♪ We're desperate for love ♪ ♪ You're ever with time ♪ ♪ But then we have to accept our fate ♪ ♪ And short till you're proud ♪ ♪ You need a larger reason to live ♪ ♪ When others have done ♪ ♪ It's just a little pushback ♪ ♪ On time in your life ♪ ♪ And when you see it, yeah ♪ ♪ The burning begins ♪ ♪ There's a need for it ♪ ♪ There's nothing for us ♪ ♪ And there's no way we'll share ♪ ♪ We're watching the feelings in love ♪ ♪ But can't you have ♪ ♪ There's no real love to go through ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ These are careers ♪ ♪ The ones that hurt the devastation ♪ ♪ It makes us perilous inside ♪ ♪ When they took your hands ♪ ♪ The ones that hold the disappointment ♪ ♪ Are steady grip to make you blind ♪ ♪ We're desperate for love ♪ ♪ You're ever with time ♪ ♪ But then we have to accept our fate ♪ ♪ And short till you're proud ♪ ♪ You need a larger reason to live ♪ ♪ When others have done ♪ ♪ It's just a little pushback ♪ ♪ On time in your life ♪ ♪ And when you see it, yeah ♪ ♪ The burning begins ♪ ♪ There's a need for it ♪ ♪ There's nothing for us and the volition ♪ ♪ With desperate to hold on ♪ ♪ It's bad ♪ ♪ This time ♪ ♪ It's totality ♪ ♪ Compromising it seems there's no chance to free ♪ ♪ Explosive of the corporate entities ♪ ♪ And watching the feelings in love ♪ ♪ But can't you have ♪ ♪ There's no real love to go through ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ It feels very much like a wall ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ It feels very much like a spear ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ It feels very much like a tree ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ It feels very much like a door ♪ ♪ And when you see it, yeah ♪ ♪ The burning begins ♪ ♪ There's a need for it ♪ ♪ There's nothing for us and the volition ♪ ♪ With desperate to hold on ♪ ♪ It's bad ♪ ♪ This time ♪ ♪ It's totality ♪ ♪ Compromising it seems there's no chance to free ♪ ♪ Explosive of the corporate entities ♪ ♪ And watching the feelings in love ♪ ♪ But can't you have ♪ ♪ There's no real love to go through ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ - I lose my shit every time I hear that. And I've heard it. It's probably one of my top played songs of last year. - Yeah. I mean, you saw my face like the minute it turned on, I was like, this is so fucking sad. - Just within three seconds. - So like, what? - Yeah. - I watched it like how Nick's reacting. I think I speak for me, Alex and Ryan. When they started playing during soundtrack, we were like, why the fuck are we even here? - Yeah. - Oh my god. - So, I like what you said. They're like the rush of punk rock. - Yeah. - They are very progressive punk. - Not only are they talented, but I only really talk to Steve from the band. - Steve. - They're fucking Steve. - Let me tell you something. - Tell us. - Very. - Extremely nice, down-earth people. That's all I'm gonna say. So, that's the way it should be. - Yeah. - I think that this is rad as hell, 'cause like it's funky, it's punky, but also like it's got some like cool, Matthew kind of shit, where it's got like some weird rhythms. You pointed out the part that was in five. - Yep. - You know, there's like all these like little things. Like there's the vibe switch in the bridge too. That's really cool. - Yep. - Like this whole thing is so rad. - These guys showed up the Detroit and put on a fucking clinic. - Where was that show? - At Smalls and Hamtraumic. - Okay. - Well, this is legit. - You know, of course, they're like, this is just practice for us. And meanwhile, I'm thinking, well, they're just pass through. - They hadn't played in the States in how long? - 'Cause they're from Canada. - Yeah, they told us they hadn't played in the States for 20 years. They all live in different parts of Canada. So they hadn't practiced. Meanwhile, they're embarrassing all of us. You know, I'm thinking to myself, we've been practicing for the last two months, so we don't look like jackasses. - Yeah. - Yeah. - You know what I think is really interesting about Canadian music in the North American culture, is that it really is. Like, you were talking about like, yeah, they barely even pulled like a crowd playing in Detroit. But you were like, oh, they'd probably pull a crazy crowd if they were playing in Canada. - Yeah. - One of the things that I think is interesting that I found out recently is that Canada actually has a law where, at least for radio, I think it might be for all media. - I heard that. - This is true. These 500 people have to show up to every concert. - No. - They have to play like that. - It's like 30 or 35% of all the media that's played on a Canadian stage. - Has to be Canadian. - Has to be Canadian in origin. - Yeah. - That's wild. - Yeah, so bands like Pop or The Dirty Nill are like way, way bigger. Like, those are fairly big bands. - That's what helps Sloan out. - Even here in the States. - Yeah. - But yeah, like those bands are way huge in Canada. When we Billy Talents and other one that's from Canada. - Yeah. - And when I'm just gonna say, when we played that show, 'cause I was clearly there too. - Yeah. - When we played that show. - You played the camera. - Yeah. I remember talking to people that drove from Montreal. - Really? - Like all the way down to Verndale. - To see. - To see Cascade Riot. (laughing) - Well, let's be honest. (laughing) - But you know what I mean? Like, they showed that Netflix was packed. - Yeah. - I think that that's cool as hell, honestly. Because like, you know-- - A majority of the people there, I think, were from Canada. - I believe it. - I believe it. - Well, I remember I did a jacket one point. I was like, how many people are from Canada? And the place just erupted. (laughing) So that was crazy. - We love Canada. - Puccino. - We'll be there soon. - Be right there. - Shadow Canada. We are actually north of you right now, despite being in the United States. - That's true. - And in the place. - I guess you're right. (laughing) - But you guys also mentioned, they've been active for how long? - Probably since about, I would say 95. Correct me if I'm wrong. - Nice. - This to Steve, but-- - I think that's right. - I think 95 96. - So they've been active for nearly 30 years. - I mean, they're a Tony Hawk band. - Yeah, this record came out in 2021. So like, after, you know, 25 years, we'll say, 26 years, they're still putting out heat. Like, this is phenomenal. - Honestly, it's probably their most heat. - And I don't think I discovered them until like, maybe 2013 or 2014. - Okay. - And I went through all their stuff. And I'm like, this is like, so interesting, like, the way that they write, the way that the guitar parts and the bay, like, just everything's kind of just-- - The way it comes. - Going handswines together, yeah. - Everything is going hand, but at the same time, they're still playing together. - Yeah. - Much to what Nick said, it's their scorpion pepper of albums. - They're bringing the heat. (laughing) - I like it. Like that, I can throw that shit on and just lose my shit to it every time. - Yeah, I need to check out this whole record, because like, just that sample there. - Do it. - I just fucking blew away. - I can listen to that album, like, on a flight. Like, just letting it play over and over and over again. And it was fine. I was just like, I'm just gonna keep listening to this. - Just do it there. - Just do it there. - If you're watching this and you have the opportunity, go see them. I promise you, you'll be-- - You, you watch this right now. - If you know anything about a guitar, drums, bass, a microphone, anything, if you have ears. - What are you doing? Stop wasting them. - Yeah. - No, for real. - Good guys, good music, they work hard. - And I'd love to play with them. Now that I'm in this band. - Yeah, do you hear that? - Steve. - Oh, well, I play with them. - Just rub it in my face. - Belvedere, take this guy on tour. - I'm gonna fanboy if we ever play with them. - Take this guy on tour around Canada and play Northern US. - Let's tour Canada. I don't know how many states you have, but let's do all of them. - I think there's like seven. - Yeah, let's do it. - And they're not conscious about my choices. - Probably. - So what do we have up next, Ryan? - I would like to go with a band called Extra Arms and a song called Everything Disappears. They're actually a local Detroit band. - Okay. - And this song is fairly new. I think it came out last month. And it's a little interesting to kind of piggyback off of our conversation earlier. The song is, well, this band is kind of a classic power pop kind of band. - Okay. - And it kind of speaks to my sensibilities because I appreciate melody. - Yeah. - And so let's get into it. (rock music) ♪ It's on me that you could give a shit about the song set ♪ ♪ The song set I think is this too much distraction ♪ ♪ I need a little bit of feedback ♪ ♪ Don't tell me to turn it down ♪ ♪ I've been doing this a long time and I know ♪ ♪ I know how it is ♪ ♪ That you're down, and it's too much distraction ♪ ♪ And now I'm a piece of the action ♪ ♪ To pull my heart into ♪ ♪ Let go of all my fears ♪ ♪ But no matter what I do, everything disappears ♪ ♪ I want a piece of your mind, or at least a dozen views ♪ ♪ Help me, stay relevant, and I'm for it be ♪ ♪ Let's do this, to fit too much distraction ♪ ♪ And now I'm a piece of the action ♪ ♪ To pull my heart into ♪ ♪ Let go of all my fears ♪ ♪ But no matter what I do, everything disappears ♪ ♪ Everything disappears ♪ ♪ Everything disappears ♪ ♪ Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah ♪ - Dude, that is so classic. Like, just the classic, you know, powerpop sound. - It's just classic powerpop and very melody driven. And that's, I mean, that's always what stands out to me in a song. - Yeah. - You know, the hook, the melody. - And it's like, Adam and I were actually talking about this earlier. It's like a song can be. You can have the heaviest, most dissonant song in the world, but, you know, where's the tune behind it? - Sure. - And that's what sticks with me. And that's what this song has. - Oh yeah, it's so catchy, so, so hooky. Like, I was saying, it kind of reminds me of Super Crush who are kind of like a more modern. I think they're from like Seattle. I think, like, powerpop band. You guys were bringing up, like, cheap trick a little bit. - Yeah. - So. - The other thing about it too, is there was almost, like, something about it that it sounds like, I don't know if this is the right word, but, like, effortless. - Yeah. - Like, where they're just kind of doing, like, nobody's, like, really, you know, there's no, like, belting, and there's nothing that's, like, crazy. But it's just this catchy, like, hook that kind of just sits in your head. - It feels like you could walk up, and, like, these guys would just be jamming this shit. - Yeah. - And it would just feel, like, like, the chillest thing, you know? - It goes against everything I said about the scene. It's good Detroit rock and roll. - I mean, but that's honestly. - I retract that comment. - That's one of the reasons I picked that song, is it's because it's just an example of, like, there's just so much going on in Detroit, 'cause this is a local Detroit band. - Extra arms, let's hook 'em up, let's play it. - And that kind of, like, the thing, too, is, like, I like to think that I try to stay, like, fairly involved with, like, you know, the local Detroit scene. - You're better than I. - I go to shows, like, every other weekend, something like that. - Yeah. - And, like, I'm still every day discovering new bands from around here that are still active, still writing, releasing music, still playing shows that I've never heard of, and they're all phenomenal. - There's so much, and you can't keep up with all of it. - No, and that's the thing, is, like, I want to keep up with all of it. - I know, I feel like it's futile. - That's the thing about, like, the whole DIY thing, is that, like, because the time that we're living in, where everything is kinda, like, we have social media and everything is very, like, accessible. Whereas, like, back in the day, DIY was like, "Oh, we're gonna go to the store. "We're gonna buy sure to make them ourselves." - Yeah. - And we're gonna do that. But nowadays, 'cause we have social media, where we can push things out. Everything is out there, and it's almost overwhelming. - Nowadays, I feel like with technology, you could probably write, record, and put a song out. On Bandcamp, camp was probably in eight hours. - And that's what people are doing. - Yeah. - And it's incredible. I mean, it's cool, but for, like, people like us, like, just looking for new music and wanting to listen to it, this market is so saturated that it's almost overwhelming. And it's kinda like, it's a good thing. - Yeah. - But also, it's a bad thing as well. - It's a bad thing. - How do you stand out? It's a double-edged sword. - When I do this show, especially Ryan knows this being on Twitter, there's, you know, there's the bands that everybody talks about. And, you know, especially, like, you know, you think of, like, red sun, bandquad. You know, like that type of shit. - Yeah. - And it's like, I love to talk about them, like, on social media, and that sort of thing. But because they're already getting so much press in that space, I don't cover those types of bands as much. I tend to cover bands that I don't see anybody else talking about. Because there is such a wide breadth of stuff. I'm like, if everybody else is kinda talking about this, I wanna talk about this, because then it helps shine a light on that as well. So, you know, people. - Well, and that's the thing too, is a band-like bandquad. - By the way. - Yeah. - Did you see the wax bow digger tour when they came through? - I did not see that show. - Oh, it was so good. - I know you were there. - Yes, I was. - But there's so many people that wouldn't even know about bandquad, like, unless you're plugged into that scene. And that's the point being that it goes even beneath that. There's so much more below them. - Yeah. Well, I mean, again, shout out to other DIY podcasts and stuff like that. Like, they were on beers with bands forever ago. And now they're touring with Hot Mulligan for sure. - They're massive. - Yeah, exactly. - That's why we need more people like you, Ryan. - I appreciate it. I try to do what I can. - God! Why do you keep pulling the windscreen off, dude? - Don't play with the head. - It's my trick. I can play with the head. You know, that's not the first time he's told me that. - Oh, boy. - It's very sensitive. - Or that. - Ryan's always pulling one off. - So, my next song, actually, the bandquad was a great segue because they put out their first album on Thumbs Up Records, which are based in Wisconsin. I believe Milwaukee. And the next band that I want to feature is a band called Garden Home. They, yeah, they're a, like, post-hardcore scream-o band from Milwaukee, Wisconsin. This song is called Grim. It's off of their most recent self-titled album that came out on April 12th. Let's give it a listen. This thing fucking rips. - Rock and roll. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ Love you, God! ♪ Before as you can go! ♪ For as you can! ♪ Still fighting, don't be lost! ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ - It's Klauson. I've got news to share. And I'm hoping you're doing well. I love you. I miss you. Call me. - And we're rolling again. Just got a couple more beers, went to the bathroom, had a nice little potty break. - Yep. All together. All four of us. - Yes. - We were all, all eminute the same bowl at the same time. - Two hours later. We all went to the bathroom and talked about guys together. [laughs] But yeah dude like that that song I think like it hits so hard right you've listened to the entire album Yes, yeah, like to me that song is a highlight from it like the entire thing just just goes like it's I think I mean in general They go hard, but it's not monotonous I mean there's a lot of music how they going on. Yeah, it's all and it's all really like concise Yes, too. They they know how to like keep it just long enough that it doesn't like overstay. It's welcome So for me, I'm gonna date myself here sure very high school. I'm 34 now. So do the math But it's very my space high school. Oh, yeah for sure that early I put that on my front page Yeah, it's got that post hardcore very thricey Yeah, yeah, they mentioned I think like sayosin sayosin all type sound I think we should mention that is not meant as an insult either. Oh no, no, no No, it's like it's like To a better time people. Yeah, thank you. What's it a better time? Where did you just not have as many responsibilities? Probably true But I'm just going to straight up steal content from another podcast here a little bit But I just recently was on like a eight hour drive or something like that And I was catching up on podcasts including beers with bands. This is their second shout out on this episode Anyway, one of the things that I think also makes this hit so hard is the lyrics if you weren't quite able to make them out because you know They're screamed pretty crazy. The main lyric that comes back that's kind of like the hook is the Reaper The Reaper is coming to keep you but not as a foe as a friend to guide you peacefully to the end and this song is About like a loved one Somebody who's close to you committing suicide But it's very much like it's not in a negative way like like you're you're remembering this person and hoping that because they were Troubled that they were able to find peace and I it's it's it's a I think it's a beautiful like Memorial to to the person at the very end. There's a like voicemail that that person had left to somebody else at that was that sample at the end there I think it's a beautiful tribute to to that. It's a cool tune. Yeah, but like I said this was Released about a month ago at this point. I've been jamming it like crazy. Came out on thumbs up records They're doing the thing man. Yeah, crazy Wisconsin, but I think it's interesting seeing especially through thumbs up records Seeing kind of like the Wisconsin scene with you know tiny voices and garden home and like a bunch of those guys Kind of like seeing what Wisconsin has to offer because normally It's not like a place that I would think of as being like a hotbed for like heavy alternative music But I don't know if anybody out of Wisconsin. No, I mean, there's a lot going on and that's kind of what I meant earlier when I was like When Adam was talking about how Michigan is almost divided into two different things Yeah, you have what's going on to Metro Detroit and then you have this west side of the state that kind of extends into Wisconsin almost. Yeah, you know, um, yeah, killing it. Good. Sure. So what is our next tune gonna be my next pick is I think they should be have more notability than they have but it's one step closer And the song is leap years and it's gonna be on their upcoming album, which I can't wait for So there's must be like one of the singles. Yep. All right, honestly out of the three singles I've heard all three are fucking fantastic and it's probably gonna be my album the year. So let's just get into it I'm gonna die if I'm gonna die if you're gonna run it high The time has come until the profit, but I hope that you'll be some clarity When I take what's left to seriously, I'm just gonna find a plan So let's don't fall on promises, you just need to die I heard a joy game, and it's nothing but a dream again I'm just gonna find a plan, did you go away because I do see me broken So let's don't fall on promises, you just need to die I heard a joy game, and it's nothing but a dream again Yeah, exactly. Yeah, and like the vocal harmonies on this. Oh, the vocal harmonies are great. Word. Yeah, big boy. What do we got? Let's go with exploding head syndrome by one hidden frame. All right. You got any background on this or you just want to go straight into it. Let's just dial it in. All right. It's just good. Nick likes diving right in. [Music] [Music] [Music] ♪ A much more can I tell Lots and lots and clothes to cover That my head is full ♪ This game's gonna come what they feel ♪ Lord, I was destined to oppress you Dance that we watch ♪ The trucks approach the border ♪ ♪ The oven walks to the fire ♪ The dance they got on our sweet home They just selfish to make Just to remind them Get you in between ♪ ♪ Hey Ryan Hey! He's spinning that wheel for the big money brother I'd love to I'd love to win big That was what I was talking about That was not what he wanted to eat Luckily he writes good songs I think they wanted you to say the thing about This is very NIC It's very NIC but it's very grabbing a skateboard And evading a cop Which is specifically Kevin James Mahal That's all we do really Hopefully they're on a segway This sounds so fucking scripted It was way better like 20 seconds ago I'm a sucker for the skate punk There was even a time at One of our practices where you just looked at me And I was playing some riff and you were just like You're so fucking skate punk NICs skate punk I was just playing something stupid No I love this though It's just like it's got that energy man And the vocalist I would say It kind of reminds me of like kill switch in an interesting way And it sounded fucking sick What do you think Adam? I think that what he says right now And NICs very skate punk And if I had to say anything about Ryan, he's a skater Ryan's a clean guitar So what's your pick, bud? Hold on, hold on I still want to hear about my pick here Yeah man It's a good tune, what else do you want me to say? How long has this band been around? Who gives a shit, they're good I don't even know, I can't answer that question Let's see, I have the GD research Why do you research here we come? I don't know, like the other band I picked Belvedere Like third in my top five Easily Yeah They live there This band was just kind of like It was one of those things where it just came on after I was listening to something else Okay, sure And I was like, shit, I dig this I'm gonna check out some of their other stuff Interestingly, another Belvedere song started auto playing after that song And on the show I was probably listening to Belvedere when I discovered these things It would make sense These guys have been around since 2009, so they've been around for a minute too This song was from a 2017 album Yeah, sorry it's a little old and outdated Well, no, it's not the newest model Like I said, it's not something that I've ever heard of, so I think that that's actually sick That's all I'm trying to do here Yeah, they've got a bunch of stuff from 2022 as well So it looks like they're still active, which is cool Good, should be Where are they from? I'm just gonna like. That one just stuck out to me Just gonna leave their fucking Spotify bio here It just made me want to drive fast, you know Belvedere's bio up Oh yeah, you're right Sorry bud No, you're These guys Straight up will come We're all here at Main Rouge We're getting to the time of the night when people are having trouble focusing Because they've had a couple beers Who me? Speak for yourselves I just said people, I didn't call you out Not ours I'm locked in Or rational Time to get through these truths Right, what do you have up next? I'm gonna go with Palette Knife Alright Avatar, the last cake vendor Did you just make that up? Did you just make that up? No How you found them or anything? Well, I mean big on Twitter, I found them on Twitter And that song in particular is a song that. Well, do you want to discuss it now or after? I guess it doesn't really matter Let's switch it up Let's switch it up You want to switch it up? Let's get the facts from Ryan Sonsi Let's get the facts from Ryan Sonsi We can see if it adds up after The facts from Ryan and Ryan Because we're both the two of them We're both Ryan Ryan Squared I just love. Well, I mean, it's a very hokey song And I love the guitar on it And it's the kind of guitar that like I would never play Lots of pull-offs And whatnot And it's the first song I ever heard from them So it stands out to me And I thought it was worth raising it up And if I'm not mistaken, correct me if I'm wrong But they're an excellency, babe We can't hear you I know you're talking to the mic I'm talking to you I want to hear what you're saying Catch 'em in excellency 2024 They are gonna be an excellency I'm really looking forward to seeing them I saw them at the Logger House in January for. I think it was like 0.5 Fest or something like that I respect you for going to the Logger House in January That whole album though is so good Yeah, it came out last year I think for a lot of people that are really into the kind of DIY emo stuff It was their album of the year for a lot of people Yeah, and this is. And this is the first song I ever heard from them So that's part of the reason I picked this one I'm excited I could have picked any of them, honestly I like it Can't wait to hear it One, three, four, one, circle She wasn't down for an ever-made convention There is nothing convention All about this behavior She wants me to come over and watch Avatar For my anxiety, since I was still in the moment Take myself from the kitchen to get us I just don't do that anymore A little time, a fishman, off a shower floor 'Cause I've seen ways to clean your hair out of my drain So much add-on to it's fine I used to wipe myself only some times Stop telling children they're fucking gifted Please construct additional firewalls And my expectations don't think you said All I would ever need is over sometimes I called you on the phone Said I was got to use a line To cut her flesh and bone Get yourself 14 motion Where the fuck's the serenade told it had I'mma tell you God for now Please just say you'll take it slow Get yourself 14 motion Where the fuck's the serenade told it had I'mma tell me God for now Please just say you will Just say you will In the morning we can hash out the details Say you will and I'll come over And watch how it's hard Say you will In the morning we can hash out the details Say you will and I'll come over And watch how it's hard The line's hard He's just waterbending He's cold for some room Else we're both dissenting adults I just don't do that anymore A little time, a fishman, off a shower floor 'Cause I'm too lazy to clean your hair out of my drain Break away, go on, I need another season Go on, go on, I need another season Go on, go on, I'll come over And watch how it's hard to get Go on, go on, I need another season Yes! Yes! Oh man, dude! Alright, so. We're all just so fucking into this man I'm gonna go see these guys I'm gonna get some heat for this But this is what makes this shit interesting I don't get the whole new emo thing But that was good Okay, alright That was good You can get shit That was good That's fine Yeah, these guys are super cool This was like. Like I said, a lot of people is probably like album of the year I think it's crazy 'Cause they're playing all these like emo, tapy, pull off, type riffs and shit But they don't play in like open tunings or anything Like they're playing in. I think standard or like D standard That's what I meant It's like I listen to that and it's like I don't play that way at all And so like to hear them, it's like what are you doing? It's not like open C or open after whatever it is It's really interesting when you hear somebody, especially when it's in the same tuning too because you just got the exact same layout on the fretboard Somebody who just approaches it so differently than you do. I think it's super cool. It's also hooky as hell I think that's probably the reason why I say what I said it stood out. Yeah, for sure. It's hooky as hell I'm definitely gonna go back and listen to it because I mean, obviously we're listening to it on your like a MacBook speakers Which are fantastic speakers? You hear that Apple Steve, no, Steve Jobs money, money, please No, but they do this thing where they go to this like in between note like an accidental I think is the I'm not like musically trained so I don't know, but you swine there's There's this bass player He's like arguably like one of the best bass players ever his name's Adam. No, I'm joking No, I don't know it's this guy homocard. He's like a jazz dude, and he talks about how Jack open story is it's not Mark and me. I'm gonna get all kinds of heat because I can't remember his name right now But I've had a few but it's fine and I'm brave. Nope. Nope. You're not helping But he he talks about like it's not about it's not about I don't remember cut that cut that. No, I lost it. Oh No, what you were gonna say though it was fuck. I can't I can't remember who said it But you're only ever one note away from the right note. No, no, it wasn't even that but that's cool too I like that. I got right that one. I got idea. Did you make that up? No, I got an idea. I will take credit for it though It's a good song. It's a good song. There we go. No that doesn't that for a good. He does cast though. He does these things I heard they're doing these things where they hit this note. That's a climbing note It's like an in between and it like goes up and it's like not actually in the in the key that they're playing in yeah But because of that it makes you feel something there's like a little bit of tension there that you wait and that it makes So long for that next note. Yeah, I'm a sucker for that shit. Somebody that like gets me a drink. It makes me name Rouge so So Ryan's gonna love this because this is a song that I wrote that he that he really likes Yeah, but in my song drifted. Oh, so good. There's a there's something that I kind of do with that where there's like a little guitar Solo over the or under the last chorus and there's a note there where I was like I was playing it and there was the note That was in the key and I decided that that didn't sound right and I wanted to use the one that was like I think it was the The sharp of whatever note it would have been and it's like it just adds that kind of like tension that little bit of like Blue Z flair that makes the next note feel so sad Yeah, I mean, I think there's something to be said for feel like something might not technically be correct But yeah, you play what feels good and what what moves the song along and the way that you want it to And and that's kind of the thing is like some people will say like oh knowing music theory Ruins creativity or whatever or like or like self-top people are you know better at writing music because they don't know the rules And so they're not restricted by them or whatever. Yeah, I don't think that that's entirely true But I think there is some truth to it because I'm with you man breaking the break in the rules and doing these things that aren't quite You know quote-unquote right. Yeah, it's kind of something that like it adds intrigue It adds interest that like a lot of people might not think about you know I don't remember the quote, but I remember the guy it's Victor Wooten. Amazing Crazy is one of the craziest bass players, but and I don't remember what the quote is But it's something about like about they're not really being any wrong notes It's like something about the way you that like or it's like the wrong note is the one Are the ones that you feel or something? I don't know something deep in like poetic like that and I'm not deep in poetic The wrong note at the right time. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. It's really it's a great I can't get it if you find it throw it in there. It's whatever works It's what I put a screen right now not well and and and that's the thing I mean you're you're totally right though like if it sounds good. It is good if it sounds good It doesn't fucking matter that like look at the four of us right now We're geeking out about that one little fucking thing, so there you go I mean and that can be attributed to like production. It can be attributed to you know songwriting It can be attributed to things that aren't even a part of music and I'd like to say shout out to Al He would probably whatever that is in there. He'd leave it. There's another quote by Miles Davis Okay, and he says something about like I'm gonna butcher it again, but that's fine I'll correct you in the edit. It's something about like It's not the road. It's not the note that you play it's wrong. That is wrong It's like the note that you play after that note that makes that previous note right or wrong. Yes No, I know that I know that corrected in post just use AI to fix my speech and you make everything good Zuckerberg's man, I would like to give his quote to a stitch in time saves nine. Okay We're off the rails here The brews are flowing here at name Rouge Brewery now We're gonna be the highest rated podcasts of our time. I've said this before and I'll say it again It's gonna be like whatever episode is the biggest shit show is gonna be the one You're gonna have to start doing them here. I hope you get a check from Spotify for one million dollars and you can get a house I'll be lucky if I get a check from Spotify for one dollar. Whatever. Who you a million? All right, so we we've gotten past everybody's individual. Yes, we've gotten a little bit off the rails a little bit loose Which is cool? What are the songs that you get? What's the first of the two songs that you guys can Well, I will tell you the first song we'd like to pick is a song by a band called wasting time Fantastic it's called what you know and the reason what we first became aware of wasting time is that story I told earlier about when page not found came out and we were asked to come to Toronto and play a show Yeah, the show we played was with wasting time. Okay, and so that was our exposure to them and they're great I don't even know how to describe them like we were talking about this in the car on the way I compare them to us kind of they They're trying to do their thing now, but they're harken back to that old chick. Yeah, so man props I mean, there's a very nostalgic 90s early 2000 throwback element to them. I would say the pop punk. Yeah, sort of thing But this is off of their newest album that just came out last month. I believe okay, and yeah, it's called what do you know? So let's get into it Ryan Let's check it out Ryan wasting time back to you Ryan What do you say what do you know? Was it all just for the show or not? They let some children fall on time What do you do? What do you know? We could fall you to the bone I don't mind if you don't mind forever and safe All in all, it's not so bad All in all, it's not so bad This is the time, oh it's blue, ready to keep my loving youth I said, "For what's taking over, fallin' round?" Broke the mind, look at the dress So be well, it's been a joy, fascination with this function of our kind All in all, it's not so bad All in all, it's not so bad It's not so bad It's not so bad It feels like we're shorting out It's simplistic with a trigger by the time Can you hear the screaming sound? Come on baby, can we do it one more time? What do you say? What do you know? Send lips of children for all (Music) (upbeat music) Okay, so I feel like I've been starting all of these by just being like, that was cool as hell. But like, especially at the dynamics of it, which is the first thing that you pointed out. - Yeah, I mean, the way it goes from that, the punky versus into the quiet choruses with that. I mean, is there an acoustic in there? Is that-- - I couldn't quite tell on like the way that we're listening. I couldn't quite tell if it was an acoustic in like-- - These Apple MacBook speakers. But the dynamics are present. And no, the mapple. No, just a great song, great arrangement. Catchy's hell, nostalgic, but fresh. - Yeah, I think that it's really cool too. Like you were talking about the dynamics. Like there's those like, we're like, not quite major or minor, but some sort of like slightly like spicy chords. And then like the bit where I think it would technically be the bridge of the song, where it just goes to that like muted kind of bit. - Yeah. - I think that like the way that they do all of that makes for such a unique song. And then the slow down, dude, the slow down. Is that like fill the way that like, it's like a fill and it slows down in that fill? - Yeah, I wasn't talking to the mic. I was air drumming so I wasn't talking to the mic. - He's so into it. - But it's the way that it slows down like during that fill. - Yeah. - And it makes it like just-- - I feel like doing the slow down mid-bar like that. - Exactly. - With like, like there's something that's kind of difficult about that. You have to be a tight band in order to pull that off. Because like you have to all slow down at the exact amount. Like if a drummer starts a song, you could all kind of pick up the tempo. But when you all have to slow down to another tempo over the course of a bar without getting a count in, like that's some next level like you gotta be tight. - All I have to say is shout out to Canada. - No, we, this guy loves Canada. We played with wasting time last year and they were just as tight of a live band as you hear here. - See soon. - And that's what I love to hear. I love to see the bands that are just as tight. If not tighter alive, then they were on the album. - Amazing. - Like I went to a couple of months ago and I talked about this on the Manner Gates episode last month. But I went to Snoop Fest in Lansing. - Yes. - I love Snoopy. - Yes, no, it was literally a Snoopy themed festival. - It says Snoop Dogg and he says Snoopy. - I thought I was being the joke. - Clipboards who are a Lansing band. - Clip, yes. - Everybody's been going crazy for recently. They are another band that are just so fucking tight live. Like they have two guitarists and there's a couple of times that they'll be playing like Harmony Leads. And it legitimately just sounds like one guitar because they're so tight in the way that they play. And I think that that's so rad when people are able to pull that shit off. - Next pick. - All right. - You look like you're going to say this. - I'm just gonna say shout out to Cana. - Shout out to Santa. - And I'll be there another shout out to Cana. - Toronto, baby. - Wait. - Wait. - Get your fucking ass down. That's right, let's do this thing. - Fresh Fines podcasting casket, right? Biggest Canada fans. - I honestly am. - Great country. - Beautiful. - Our next pick is by a band called Potion Cellar. - Final Solid. - Final Solid. - I think it evening by a band called Potion Cellar. And we're gonna pick Luzonet. - They're from Grand Rapids, right? - They're from Grand Rapids. - Yep. - And last year we wanted to get out to Grand Rapids and play a show somewhere. And so we looked up Grand Rapids bands and we came across Potion Cellar. And we're like, these guys are sick. - Yeah. - And this song was actually, they filmed a music video for this song at the show we played with them. - Oh, that's sick as hell. - Oh, it's named up L. - And well, actually I'm in there too. - Nice. - So a couple of us are in the music video. They shot for this song and it's called Luzonet. And it's a great song. And here it is. - Here it is. (upbeat music) ♪ Never really know what's going on ♪ ♪ Everyone else, my age ♪ ♪ Doesn't have much trouble moving along ♪ ♪ Never quite sure what I'm doing here ♪ ♪ As soon as a problem solved ♪ ♪ Another one appeared ♪ ♪ What would you say to me ♪ ♪ If you found out I was fake ♪ ♪ In this whole time ♪ ♪ So what would you say to me ♪ ♪ If you found out I was actually losing my mind ♪ ♪ Never understand what you say to me ♪ ♪ The conversation carries on while I watch quietly ♪ ♪ Never read the room quite properly ♪ ♪ Mm-hmm ♪ ♪ I'll be at home asleep before I believe ♪ ♪ What would you say to me ♪ ♪ If you found out I was fake in this whole time ♪ ♪ So what would you say to me ♪ ♪ If you found out I was actually losing my mind ♪ ♪ Never really know what's going on ♪ ♪ Never really know what's going on ♪ ♪ What would you say to me ♪ ♪ If you found out I was fake in this whole time ♪ ♪ So what would you say to me ♪ ♪ If you found out I was actually losing my mind ♪ (upbeat music) - Nice. - There's so many things I love about that. And like, I liked that we kinda ended it on a slow jam, brought it down a little bit there at the end. - It was premeditated. I just wanna say like, I have had the pleasure of seeing them live, but like, they're doing the stay proud. So, that's good tunes right there, bro. - So, when we played with them in Grand Rapids, so what happened there? I broke a string on my guitar and I didn't have a backup. And their guitar player let me use his guitar for the rest of the show. - So shout out. - Shout out, but. - Just one of the realist guys. - One of the realist guys, I've ever met my life. - Good guys, good music, so. - Well, do you want? - I think that it's really cool, like, the articulation on that bass is awesome. Like the-- - Don't get me started. - I want you to, I want you to get started. - Good started. - That's what I'm fuckin' like. - I don't know, I appreciate it. - My man's feeling a certain kind of way over here. - A fuckin' fire out, brother. - But like, that's one of the things that I love is, I love being able to hear the pluck in the articulation. I love being able to hear the fingers on the strings on the bass. - Yeah, if your face doesn't have a good rhythm section, you don't got shit. - So. - Especially when you lock in with the drummer, with that kind of crazy articulation. - Like, it really, it kind of is like a progression element almost. - Exactly. I think bass and drums are, I mean, if you look at every genre of music, almost all of them have bass and drums in them. - Not all of them have guitar. We're not important. We're just the, like, I need something to know it. - We're just the prettiness on top. - But see, like, if you are very pretty. - The best way to put it, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. The best way to put it. - The bass and the drums are the cake. These two guys right here. - We're the frosting, baby. - They're the frosting. - Yeah. - We're not the frosting. - Oh, for sure. - You don't got shit. - But you know what? - With the sweetness. - The chorus just has such a big hook too. - Yeah. - Da-na-na-na. - Less the sprinkles. - It's like some stadium rock type shit. - Yes, sprinkles. - Like, they're playing, you know, - The writing on top. - Some stuff right now. But they belong to beyond the stadium tours. - Exactly. - Exactly. - Like, I also just love the twins. wangie little leads at the end. Yes, like there's something that I love about like the the little like bend up to a note And then have another note that complements it So you're like bending into the harmony or like bending into the unison because that's that's something that I just learned Learning a different song recently was this little like unison bend thing Where you you like play one note and then you bend up to that same note on the next string up? Yes, and I can't stop doing it because it just sounds so cool It's just so satisfying. Yeah, you do that little unison bend, and it just feels so right. I love it And they're that just like brought me to another thing all right about like I mean, it's completely unrelated sort of go off I think the Beatles do it a few times and some other songs. Okay, so does Brian May of Queen. Yeah, they'll like bend the string and then Plug it and then like release the bend so it goes down into it and that's like such a unique sound that I feel like Does not use enough in music. It's cool. I hear it's a little chilly Well, it's about time to wrap up. So unless anybody has anything else to say about to hold each other tight We're about to go to barcade maybe barcade say play some pinball. Thanks Ryan. Yeah, thanks for having us. Yeah, thanks Ryan great Thank you, Ryan Anything else that you guys want to mention as far as shows or upcoming music to look out for June 29th, the loggerhouse Loggerhouse their next one July 6th if you have a passport or a hands ID in Michigan cross the border and go to the bovine Both be sure to Toronto for the weekend. We'll be there. Come in. Let us know if you're there. We'll meet up hang out and Buy some merch. We support these guys. I speak for all of us. I speak for all of us The new shit we can't wait. Yeah, we're working our asses off trying to get this new shit together and We want to release it as soon as possible. Obviously we will when it's ready. Hopefully by the end of the year Keep your eyes and your eyes on the whole new stuff coming and I would say it's a safe bet We will have a new single out at some point during the summer coming months. Yeah, all right coming months This has been the fresh fines podcast the show about discovering new music with good people Fresh I'm on your mind to me away to somewhere new is a better deal I know I'm alone inside my bed I'm looking for a way outside my head Cause I'd better be with you instead And one of these days I'm gonna find a way I'll use it to start on cause I really need you now And if you help me out I'll never let you down I'll start on cause I really need you now And if you help me out I'll never let you down [BLANK_AUDIO]