Charlie Puth

Hi, my name is Charlie Pooth and I feel blank about being about being Conan O'Brien's friends. We're going to fill in that blank and by the end of this episode you're going to feel, I think the word's going to be ecstatic or filled. That makes me uncomfortable, Charlie. Hey there. Welcome to Conan O'Brien needs a friend. I'm Conan O'Brien, of course, and I'm joined by Sonoma of Cessia. Hello, Sonoma. Very good to be here. Thanks for having me. And David Hopping is, of course, filling in for Matt Gourley, whose um, I'm paternity leave forever. Listen, I respect a guy he takes fatherhood seriously. I did not. When Liza was giving birth to our first child, I left mid contraction to go back to work and I still haven't met my daughter, but I'm proud she's lovely. It's very sweet. He's spending a lot of time with his family. It's very nice. And that's a familial bond, which is very important early on. You've got to do it. But he'll return one day. Until that time, there's much to talk about. So I had a nice surprise, which is, I turn on the TV. The other morning, the TV's just on on the background and they go, and coming up, Sonoma of Cessia. And it was, was it, is it, what's it called? Good day, Liza. It's called Good Daily. It's on Fox 11 news. It's a local. Yeah. People from LA know Good Daily. Yeah. It's, it's the thing. And you know, I was just like, I've got to watch Fox right now. I was just like, I've got to see my Fox. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You love a local Fox affiliate. I love a Fox affiliate. And that's just the way I've always been. And then I hear, we'll be right back with Sonoma of Cessian. Yeah. Maybe. And you come on and you have a book that's coming out fairly soon at your first book, which was a smash hit world's worst assistant. I don't see why it was so popular because it's just a book about truth. It's my time being your assistant. Yes. The world's worst assistant. Yeah. I wrote the forward. And this is the world's worst mom. This one's called world's worst mom. It's all about your adventures raising your, your two lovely boys, AKA monsters. The lovely. They're lovely. I love those guys. And I'm always adorable. I love winding them up. When they come here to the office, I drop everything I'm doing. And I chase them around. Yeah. They get superhyper. So they're not going to go to sleep for six days. And then I say, gotta go. And I go into a recording session. And I always see your husband tack looking like a few, man. They are plutonium by the time I've done with them. They're psychotic. I chase them upstairs downstairs. They love it. They love it. So this is you on the news. Son of a session. And I was thinking, I just, I'm sorry, I had to look at that and think, look how far you've come. Amazing. I grew up watching Good Day LA. And then I was on it. I've, but I also, I've never done live television. And I had to be very aware of what I talked about. Right. You've done a lot of things with me, but those are on tape. Yeah. And there's time to pull things up a bit if you get salty with your language, because you did some time in the Navy. And you have a, you got a mouth on you sister, right? And so, um, I was amazed at how professional you were. Yeah. But almost like you took classes. What do you mean like media training classes? Yeah. Have you ever done that? Do you think I have it on that? I don't know. You have this ability, which you've always had to appear like a normal person when necessary. You know what I mean? Like you're very charming. And, you're not dropping f-boms. You're not telling raunchy stories. You are just this glowing. Sometimes when I was working for you, as your assistant, there were times when we had to interact with like actual real people. Yeah. Like professional decent people. Right. And so you have to, like you have to switch it up. We can't be like, "Who fuck you? Who fuck you?" In front of like, you know, Michelle Obama or like her people. I hope not. But we can't do that. So, you know, you have to be good. Yeah. And professional. Yeah. And so, yesterday I was on the news. I was on the news. And I was following Manny Pacquiao, which was crazy. Yeah. He was on before me. And yeah, I had so much fun. And those women I was on with, one of whom is my friend Aroxia. And then the other two anchors, everyone was so professional. They're so like cool. They're fun. They look great. I don't mean to insert myself in a situation, but don't you think in a way they had you on to kind of get to the big dog? Do you know what I mean? Like, was there anything like, "Oh, so you're here, son of that's great." Is he coming? Oh, they think like you come with me? Yeah. And then you would just replace me. No, not replace you. But you have to look, it's just got to be a thing in your life where you have to be a little suspicious that people maybe you're, if someone's being nice to you, oh, it's just to get to the guy. Okay. All right. Listen, you're doing bits about this, but you're also right. You're right. I'm not doing a bit. It comes to me to get to you. Okay. But you know that I'm going to get a call tomorrow from Good Day LA. And they're going to be like, well, I'm son of a son. So I guess now you're turn. Well, yeah. Right. Well, it's kind of like you're at a feast and there's like scraps falling. And I'm like, yay, I get to eat. You just liken yourself to an animal under the table. But I've always been a barnacle on your cruise ship. And I'm fine with that. And I love it. And I get to do things like go on Good Day LA. And that's what I'm saying. I don't know what I'm going to say barnacles are necessary. They serve a function. What? I don't know what it is. I know they have to be scraped off religiously. They do. But they must serve some function. No, they don't. That's the whole point. You have to scrape them off. Well, then you're a barnacle. Yeah, I'm a barnacle. Okay. And you know what? It's cool. I feel like I'm a con man. I have done the perfect grift. And I'm cool with it. I am perfectly happy with it. Well, I will say I've blown. I mean, every time I see it's sonar. Every time I see this sonar out in the world, I'm very impressed. You you you you you look great. You're very engaging. You're funny. And the thing I've always said about you is you don't change when the camera's on you. You don't change when you're in here being on the podcast. You don't change. I swear to God, if I made you come out with me at the top of the Oscars, you would be sonar. Yeah. I mean, I like to be so. That is a gift because most people I know hardly anyone. You might be the you're the most natural person in every situation. That's pretty cool. Thank you. And you know, a few weeks ago, I did a keynote speech at the writer's workshop in Dayton, the Irma Bombayg writer's workshop. I wrote a speech. And I remember I sent you a text because you're doing the Harvard commencement speech this year. And I was like, if you need help, I'm right here. I am a speech champion. You are a speech champion. And you bring that up a lot that your speech. I bring it up every almost every day. Yeah. Yeah. I know a huge impact on your life. Kind of. Yeah. I mean, I'm doing this for a living, which is just talking. This isn't couldn't be a living. This is my living. This is literally my life. You should get paid as my assistant. Do you still get paid as my assistant? Yes, I do. Oh my god. Oh my god. Oh my god. Oh my god. Back in October, I had to go to a wedding. She covered me for two days. I covered him for two days. Remember? Yeah. You went to the eye doctor. That's why you pay me. Why did they go to the eye doctor? Why did you go to the eye doctor? Your eyes were like watering. Oh, that's right. They were watering. Yeah. Then it turned out they said you're having an emotion. That's how repressed I am. I said, my eyes are watering and they went, anything happened? Well, you know, my parents died last year. And also this sad thing happened. And they said that's called crying. But I do think sometimes I don't. I actually don't. I don't do anything. That's incredible. And this is we have just we just I just saw this rock. I was walking through the forest and I saw this rock and I just lifted it up and I saw no scandal, depravity, injustice. And I quickly put the rock down. But if you think we're not revisiting this rock and lifting it up again, you're sorely mistaken because this is a scandal. And I want I want Suleyne in here. I want Cerefeta Rovich in here. I want to open the books on this thing because I think you're committing a crime. How dare you? How dare me? The fallout from being your assistant has been that I am attached to you for the rest of your life. So for the rest of your life, you're paying me to be your assistant. I'm going to I'm going to investigate this. I'm going to get into the weeds. This is a crime. This is a crime at every level. It is. And we're going to have to figure out. I mean, yeah, I mean, unbelievable, unbelievable. I still get notifications when it's someone's birthday. I don't do anything with the notifications, but I get them. Oh yeah. Did you get a notification about this Saturday? my fucking birthday. (laughing) Hey, I think that Barnaco should learn the birthday of the cruise ship it's been hanging out on. You had no idea. Oh, I get notifications about important birthdays. Oh, you have about this Saturday. (laughing) Whoa. Oh, oh, I mean, you don't need a notification. 'Cause it's just-- It's there, I always know it. Yeah, that's all that. I have a tattooed on my leg. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Heep early, team. Okay. It's thumbs up. All right, listen. Shut up, Blaze. (laughing) Wow, we've exposed so much crime. The rot goes deep. The rot goes deep. All right, my guest today is a singer, songwriter, whose fourth studio album, "Whatever's Clever" is out now very excited to chat with this gentleman. (upbeat music) Charlie Pooth, welcome. Is this a first? I think after 35 years of doing this podcast, for the first time, our guest, Charlie Pooth, has a keyboard in front of you, which is really cool and may become mandatory for everyone. I may just say, even if they, most people won't play the keyboard, but I will insist that it be there and that they take a few stabs at it. Yeah. It kind of colors my words a little bit more. Like if I'm, if I have like a really good idea. (laughing) It's from introspect. - Well, me, let me ask you something. What if I start to speak and things get menacing? - Well, I'm gonna switch it to the piano. - Yeah, let me tell you something, Charlie. - Oh, yay. - I don't like you and I don't like what you stand for. (laughing) I've never liked these musicians, these prodigies, and I'm gonna kill you. (laughing) Now let's have it get happy. - And then I don't give a minute. - Wait a second, I'm off in my meds, but now I'm back on my meds again, Charlie. - Because now we're in C Major, and you don't end up killing me. (laughing) - That's good, C, I'm in it now. - You're in it now. Lovely to have you here. There's so much to talk about. You're on fire at the moment. You've got this great album out, and I'm very excited to have you here, because I mean, just want to talk about something. It's called "Whatever's Clever." First of all, this is crazy, but one of your tracks is "Don't Meet Your Heroes," and yet here you are. (laughing) - I five son. - I don't know. - Holy shit. - I have to. - I love, I used to be cringe. I was listening to you. - That actually might be my favorite song on the album. It's a really good song, and you talk about how, is that this? - Wait, so I don't play more than six seconds of a song that I'll let you play. I'll give the rights to you or whatever the fuck it is. - No, you just, wait a minute. You just caved me the rights to a Charlie Poo song? - Yeah. - You idiot! And that's a verbal contract. That's what I got. My new scam is going to be getting, you know, Billy Eilish in here, getting Taylor Swift in here, getting Sabrina Carbon here, and then having them blur it out. Oh, okay, you can have the rights. And then overnight, I've got seven yachts strapped together. - I don't know if I used to be cringe or is going to give you seven yachts, but. - I really like it. I identify with the song. Mine would not be past tense. I remain cringe. - My mind isn't past tense either, it's still. - And then I love this. One of my favorite people was Jeff Goldblum. You have a collab with Jeff Goldblum on a song called Until It Happens To You. And I thought, oh, 'cause I know Jeff's a musician. This is going to be Jeff playing. When you get to his part, which would normally be like, rap or singing a solo part, it's him talking. And it's fantastic. It's a great 10CC shot of pure Goldblum in the song. - He's like, well, boys. If I were to tell you, that kind of sounds like how it's turned. - That's good, no, that's good. - Yeah, but it's a song about reacting to losing a loved one. And it's kind of like a disguise and like very happy. - Yes. - Oh, very happy chords, but it's just like, it's about death. It's about death and death. And Jeff Goldblum, he even made us all cry in the studio because he just started speaking to his kids who weren't there, but speaking to us, we were his kids. And it felt like the end of a movie where the credits kind of slowly trickle down and everyone's walking away to the sunset down the yellow brick road. - I liked, first of all, it's Goldblum who's got the most distinctive. And he's up there with Christopher Walken and a couple of other iconic people who have such a distinctive way of speaking. And it's almost the part of the song where someone would scat. And he is kind of scatting, but then I realized, that's just how Jeff Goldblum talks. It's like, the mate says, I'm, yeah. And he's doing that and you realize that, oh, this is a version of jazz. What is, and it's just the way Jeff Goldblum talks. - Absolutely it is. And I, you know, I striped to find the most melodic people on anything that I, any project that I make. - Yes, I'll do it. - Oh, I'm sorry, I thought that was my next question. - I thought that was an invite. I've got the rights to one song, and now I'm gonna be in another song. (laughing) You're, this is the worst day for your career ever, spending a lot of money. - I said you were on fire and you are, but it ends here. - I'm like negative like $26. (laughing) - I've got to mention, we'll talk more about the album in a second, but when I say a second, I mean, towards the end of the interview. But you killed a national anthem, and you must be getting at the Super Bowl. - Very hard song to sing. - It is. It's a very hard song, he said, being a comedian, not a musician, but I've always heard the trick is, and the rocket's red glare takes such a big leap. Who owns the national anthem? I'm sure Trump has it now, but. (laughing) - No, he bought the rights. Like six weeks in when no one was looking. But what, what, I've always heard the secret is to start low. Well, that's what I would do. I would be like, oh, say, can. I would start down there. - Well, you were doing it in C-Mage, oh, say, can you. - So then when I go up to have the rocket's red, I couldn't. - You'd have to go up from, oh, say. Actually, no, you're correct, oh, say. - Yeah, I have. - I was right, wasn't I? - Oh, say, can you see? (singing in foreign language) - It feels so patriotic. - Yeah. - In this moment. Well, I mean, visually, if I can represent, the reason why it's hard to sing is because, like, you start if you're gonna start here, and then you have to go here, and then you have to actually go up here at the middle end of, at the end of the song. So you don't get a break. - When I see someone start the national anthem too high, oh, say, I'm like, you're dead. You are dead. And I say that, I start screaming at the TV, you're dead. - Yeah. 'Cause then you act to awkwardly change keys. Nobody comes to mind because everybody nails the national anthem, obviously. But, oh, I bet you have some, (laughing) no, everyone seems like too nice a guy, but you know, I know in your head right now, there are some names of people. - We're all thinking of. - But you're correct. When you start to die. - What's that specific one? - Yeah, it's on it, what's that? - Fergie. - I'm trying to get off the exit here. (laughing) - You didn't say anything, Charlie, and I didn't say anything. What are you saying, Sona? - Fergie, she famously went crazy. She went buck wild with the Star Spangled Banner. - Did she start too high? - I don't know. - Thomas, me, man. - You don't ask me, I don't know, I'm, I think I'm told that. - This is Sarah Ferguson, the Duchess of yours. - Yes, Sarah Ferguson. - Okay, well, she had no business singing the national anthem. - I know, I agree. - London Bridge is fantastic. (laughing) - And again, not, it stays in a restrained range. If I'm ever asked to sing the national anthem, and I know it's, it hasn't happened yet, but I'm still very young in my career. - It's coming. - It's coming, thanks, Charlie. I will start low, I will start low. - Yeah, but you are correcting your assessment. You don't want to start like, oh, oh, say, because then you have to go, I wonder how high I could start and still hit it. ♪ Oh, say, can you see by the dawn truly light ♪ ♪ What so hardly we hailed the night as a tinning ♪ ♪ No, sorry, it's not, it's not, it's not about today ♪ ♪ Ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah ♪ ♪ It's a bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad ♪ - Here we go. ♪ Ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah ♪ (laughing) ♪ Ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah ♪ ♪ Hey, whoo ♪ - A modern day mini-ripper tin. (laughing) ♪ Ah, ah, ah, ah ♪ - You know what, you ran out of keyboard. And I saw you pull some extra white keys out of your pocket, and blew them. - I had to really drive the shit up. I thought you got really loud there for a second. - Yeah, it's insane. It's insane. - It's kind of like a cross between Tiny Tim and, like, Freddie Mercury. (laughing) - How dare you. - Yeah, it was. It's a very good musical analysis. I had my testicles removed six weeks ago. In preparation for this interview. And I'm told they might be able to reattach them. Might, if they can find them. So you don't get stuff like this in Santa Barbara. (laughing) Where I live. - You got to come to Hollywood for this shit. You know what I love? - Charlie, there's a, you perform a great service. Which is, I'm just wanting to make sure I get the title right. - Yeah. - Professor Pooth TikTok series. You have this TikTok series that-- I enjoy because I'm an amateur musician and I like to play around with guitar and I like to try and make music with other musicians in my way. A lot of qualifiers there. You're a musician. You're downplaying it. Well, I love doing it. It's a big part of my like private hobby life, but I've always been phobic about theory. I was phobic about math when I was a kid and when people would bring up math, I would think, "I'm not smart. I can't do this," and I would shut down about math. I'm the same way when people bring up theory. I love to mess around on the guitar and then when someone says, "Well, that's interesting. That's the relative minor." So you can take the relative minor, but remember, if you play the flat, remember there are three flats? I just blackout. I do too. You do, really? Absolutely, I do. I'm not just saying that to make you feel better. I remember there's a soul-fetched, "Doh, Remy, falsetto, yeah." That is put in place so you can know it's built as a reference for singers. So like, "Doh." Now it's a toy piano sound. Good job, Schroeder. This is C's Doh and then F's F, but I don't need Doh Fod. It's an extra F for me to remember that. I just know it's C and F, so I would go to my teacher and be like, "I don't know how to read soul-fetch." She was like, "Well, you have to know how to read soul-fetch. You're in fucking soul-fetched class." I don't like the way this teacher talked to you. And I was like, "If you don't know how to read it properly, you have to go to soul-fetched three, but I would hold up the piece of paper, but I can sing and play back every note perfectly, because I don't need the reference I have in my head." She said, "It doesn't matter. You have to go back to three." So I share that with you where I would get nervous. You have this great, you know, I use the term "Origin Story" a lot on the podcast, but you have this moment you're interested in music clearly, and you know you have a facility with music. I made it clear. There's a keyboard in front of you, which Al Pacino did not have, but you went to Catholic school. I did, yeah. You had a moment in Catholic school when, is this correct? An organist, someone who played the organ for you guys at a mass or something, wasn't present. Do we have an organ sound? I don't think we do. But did we get you this? Or did you bring it? I brought it, just because it has my initial CP on it. It's not my piano. It's tiny enough, it's not super easy. That's self-involved that you need your name on everything. Very narcissistic, okay. I saw your license plate on your car when you drove this poof rules. Yes, poofs in here. But yes, the church organist didn't show up, and they were going to play it. It was the time of a life where they would play things on tape. Yeah, I don't know if that exists anymore, but they were going to play the whole mass on tape and awkwardly pause it, and sometimes they wouldn't pause it correctly. I know the whole mass from memory. I've heard the songs so many times, because I thought it was like if you look at a cup with a deer on it, you're going to remember what the deer looks like. If you have a bit that you have to memorize, if you read it enough, you're going to remember eventually. If you read it enough times, I thought that was the same thing for everybody to just sound, and apparently it wasn't difficult, and that's how I discovered it. It's funny that you thought, well, wait a minute, okay, the organist isn't here. The person was supposed to play, but how can I make this about me? Well, I would do that, but then have nothing to back it up. But you thought to yourself, oh, I've heard these a bunch of times, so I'll just go up and play them, and you didn't know that was unusual. No, I didn't, because again, I thought it was just like if you study for a vocabulary test, if you need to memorize the definition of whatever, and not the word, whatever, I know what it actually is. What is the definition of any who? You read a bunch of definitions. You're going to memorize them because you read it so many times. I attribute it the same feeling with sound. If I hear a James Taylor song 10 times, I'm going to know it right away. Right. It endlessly fascinates me. That's why I- That fascinates me too. I love your TikToks. I really love your TikToks because, and this is where it all started, I love when you explain something that I've been hearing, and it's around, but now you're explaining why so many songs sound like this. I remember watching one, I forget what it's called, but that whole trend in music where there's a soft and allowed, a soft and allowed, a soft and allowed oscillating, and it's become such a- The side-chain compression. Side-chain compression, which we- Yeah, and it's- That was so cool. I'm sorry. Do you want me to do it again? Oh, you mean what Charlie did? Charlie was doing- I don't know. What Charlie was doing musically was the one you were interested in. That's what I like. Were you trying to beatbox? What were you doing? I was choking on a chicken bone. Okay, that makes sense. But so, no, but what you were doing was you started explaining what that is, and I realized I have heard that a million times. Right. And it's always associated with like a club. It's in like every, you know, episode of Euphoria. There's people crying, crying with lots of makeup, and it's like, whatever you do, please, I don't want to do it again. Like a point, point, point, point, sounds like a chicken distress or something. So, no, I don't understand what you really love, it's what you want to do. That's exactly what Charlie was trying to do. Please Charlie, I beg you. So, everybody on just like, if you went up to someone on large mount right now, it was like, what is dance music sound like? They would go, they would put their hands if you're in New Jersey, they would put their hands on the other, they'd be like, mm, mm, mm, mm. But my goal is to- So everyone knows that that's like, you know, the broad terminology of like what dance music sounds like, but my goal is to like take it one step further for people for them to understand that all that is is just volume automation, you know, like, right, that's just me playing. Rising falling, rising falling. It's just volume down, volume up, volume down, volume up. And then what's cool is you talk about how a lot of people would think, okay, that's in club music now. Yes, it is, but you'll say, well, they were doing it in the 70s with- Yeah. In the 60s with this, then the 70s, they took, you know, Donna Summer. Donna Summer. It wasn't as obvious though. It was just more of like a way to- it was more of like a really secret engineering trick. Right, a little spice that they're putting in and not telling anybody. And then everyone exaggerates it more and more and more. It's like in so many other things in music, you can hear something's going on in- Sun Session records in the 19, in 1954, 55. And it's now we can say, well, it kind of just sounds kind of very much country, but at the time, it sounded very different to people because- and then people just kept tweaking it and tweaking it and it became, you know. I mean, everybody wants more of what they like. When I first heard the black album, Metallica, like Sad but True, the really bright 90s lures, like a motorcycle fucking metal kind of sound, then I started here. That came from- or might have been inspired by like living on a prayer, Bon Jovi, or like another what-lang record where they were experimenting with- but where did what came before living on a prayer. I'm generalizing. Like in the air tonight, Phil Collins, Big Peter Gabriel, Phil Collins, Gated Drum Sounds. Yeah, everything you can trace, the thing, cool thing about music is that you can trace everything back to something. Yes. And that's the thing that's true of my business has been comedy and it is so important for people to know no one's coming along with a fresh slate. Everybody is coming to their- call it a craft, call it a pastime, call it a career, whatever. They're all coming to it with this gumbo that they grew up eating. You know, that was just a mix of so many other influences and everybody's starting with that. So you could, you know, you could say, "Oh my god, I like the most hardcore, thrash metal." Yeah. But those guys will tell you, "Well, actually, I was listening to, you know, Aureo Speedwagon in high school and you'd be like, "Wait a minute, Aureo Speedwagon, and I'm making this up because I don't think that's possible." No, but I do like- But do you know what I mean? They heard something in that that then they extrapolated and pulled out and got to where they wanted to go. Like do you remember the first time you ever saw, I guess, the video of, like, Kinnison at Danger Fields, when he just got up there and started yelling. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Had anybody done that in comedy before where they just, like, I just got back from a seven- I was seeing more, bro. Like, like, I- Dice had his, like, you know, a cigarette behind the ear, kind of like sticking everything like that. But like, where did that come from, the Netty Murphy thing that that come from a, like, they're Brian Regan not cursing at all in his bits. I don't know if you're enemies of these people or- No. I hope you're friendly with all of them. You have not named an enemy yet. But if you keep going, no, I don't have enemies. I would listen to, like, 2005 Dane Cook where he's cursing all over the place, but then I'd hear, like, a couple of years prior, Brian Regan where he wasn't. And it was like, maybe he was listening to that, but just, just like added in the curses for like extra effect. Like I think a lot of comedians are also musicians too because I think that there's a lot of parallels. What we talk about this a lot, I bring it up a lot because it fascinates me. Everyone in comedy envies musicians, I believe, whether they consciously or unconsciously do it. I very consciously envy musicians because I. I was looking at a musician as someone who's not judged moment to moment and I envy that. But meaning. No, but what I'm saying moment to moment, I mean, when you start and you play one of your songs, people aren't blowing, "I like this part." Oh, no, no, I don't like that part. Oh, but I like this part again. Oh, but I don't like this part now. That's not how they think about music and that is very much comedy as moment to moment. You get a laugh and then you do another thing and like less of a laugh and then sometimes I go, "Ooh." And then like, "Oh, yeah." And I don't think that happens in music and I think I've always envied if you go out and play your hits, everyone's going to be so happy the whole time. Springsteens back out there now with the East Street band and I think. I got to go to that show. Yeah, yeah, it's going to be amazing. But no one's. No one's saying, "Okay, I like this part of this song." Oh, I don't like this part as much. But no comic ever gets to the point where they're not judged, I think, moment to moment, in my opinion. I'm sure Bruce's had fans who are like, "Do we have to hear the fucking rising one more time? Do we have to. Let's get to glory days. Let's get to. Yeah. I've. I just put out an album and of course I'm like. Any artist that says that they're not reading reviews or scouring the internet is lying. I am like. I look at this. I look at these reviews as much as my child. I'm. And you nurture them. You nurture them. I take them too seriously. Sometimes my wife tells me to stop looking at them. I saw this one and everyone's entitled to their opinion. I saw this one review saying that Charlie just put out an album and it is just another soulless attempt at trying to be an artist and that really hurt my feelings because I actually did. Of course it did. I put my heart and soul in this and I didn't make this album to make a bunch of hit songs I wanted to actually talk about, you know, a fatherhood, my family and like, and other things like that. And they're like, "Boo, doesn't have a catch you hook." It's like, "I've had. " You know, I had my song "Attention." You just want to. I had that song out. It was a number one record and we couldn't sell 3,000 tickets in, I think it was Chicago. It was like 2,000 tickets. 2,000 people is a lot, but it was a tour meant for 5,000, 6,000 people. I've had hit songs out. People knew the hits more than they knew me. My goal on this album was for people to know me. And sometimes I get jealous of comedians because you know their personality. Like, the first time I saw a Ralphie May, it's like I became obsessed with Greg Geraldo and like, I just. I felt like I knew their personality. Yeah. They both passed haven't they. Yeah. That's okay. I just named 2 people at past. It happens. People die. I feel like I know you, because I've obviously grown up watching you and you're delivery. It's like you are who you portray yourself to be, and whereas a musician, it takes a couple of years for people to get to know you, unless you just nail it right out of the park. That's interesting to me that you have worked so many great artists and then yourself have had so many hits. People know your name and now you're saying, yeah, I really want to get into the autobiographical part of songwriting and have people connect to you that way. That makes perfect sense to me. As far as critics go, there's no escaping criticism and I got to a point in my career where I don't look for it. Sometimes you are just confronted whether you want to know it or not with the good and the bad, but usually people tell you if there's something really mean about you out there, you'll find out because your garbage man will say, hey, did you see that? And I'll say, well, I didn't, but thank you. I don't think you're the worst fuckhead in the world. Well, I appreciate that. Are you doing so much dairy? Yeah, well. Now the dairy is another issue. We'll talk about the dairy. It's coding your stomach for the morning. But I would agree with your wife that you don't, I don't think it's necessary to seek it out because you know when you're doing work that you like that's important to you. And so that's why I would agree with her that you going on the internet and looking for what do people think about Charlie Puth is unnecessary. Everybody knows it though. I mean, and I totally agree with you. It is completely unnecessary, but like it's almost like it's almost like high school. You just like want validation. Sometimes you poured your heart and soul into this and you just want people to at least like take a listen to it and understand, but and there are so many millions of people that already haven't. Listen, I'm coming across as if I'm scolding you or telling you this is ridiculous. I completely understand what you're saying, but I've spent a lifetime around people that are looking for validation. And then they're like, well, first I got to do this sold out series of concerts at Madison Square Garden. And then I'm getting knighted in England. And then I have to go to Spain where they're actually making me a member of the royal family. And it's just one of these funny things about human beings. And trust me, anytime I do anything, I think this is the test of whether I'm any good or not. And I recalibrate every time I set all the clickers back to zero. I think you guys could agree that all the clickers go back to zero. And it's like, you're giving a small toast. At a Christmas party. Yes, I know. But these are good friends of mine. And this has to be the greatest toast of all time. And if it isn't, I'm nothing. So I'm telling you that yes, we're all ridiculous people. But at the same time, because I'm not you, I can say you do not need to be hunting on the internet. And reading, oh, good, someone wrote something nasty. I need to read every single word of it because I don't think it serves you. It doesn't serve your creativity. I don't think it's doing anything. No, it doesn't. And you don't know what that person's going through, which is they were, you know, they made it. They wanted to do what you're doing possibly or they have biases. Of course they do. I've had interactions like that before. There was this bartender who was very rude to me. And then I was, I was, I'm never rude to people because I always have that like mentality of like they might be going through something. And it turns out that like he didn't get into the school that I went to and like it seems very well aware that I went to that school. It all had to do very little with the fame aspect, with the school aspect. And then I ended up having a great conversation with him about music. Right. Was this Berkeley? This was somewhere in Woodstock Vermont, but it was the school Berkeley. Oh, the school was Berkeley. Yeah. It would have been a Woodstock Vermont. Yes, I have. Gorgeous. Yeah. Beautiful. New England. And yet this person's living in beautiful Woodstock Vermont and they're bitter and angry, you know. Maybe not anymore. No, I think after they already had a resentment towards you, then they met you and you were really nice. Yeah. He's twice as bitter now. And he's nice. Yeah. You should have been a dick is what you're saying. If you had been a dick, then this guy would have been so happy right now. I'm glad I'm not him. I did not be a sick. But now he's I mean, he's probably not alive anymore. I'm just going to put it out. God. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I think it's a good chance that person no longer walks the earth and it's your fault. But anyway, let's move on. I've got to get into music because I can't be a comedian anymore. I'm just a broken man. He's so sick. But it's going to be fine. It's like when you watch the sitcom and you hear like, you know, they're there. Everything's gonna be okay. And then and then you hear the audience clapping and like, yeah, and then you have to have and then like cousin Uncle Jesse comes in and you have to sum some sort of like comedic break. I'm like, anybody want to go get tacos? And then the credits fucking roll going on tour going on tour. And this is a big tour. Big tour. What's the name of it? Is it named after your album? It is the whatever's clever world tour. And I will be on stage with my band. And they're the best band in the music industry. They make me sound so good. And it's just a joy to share the stage with them every single night. You have to come to a show. I would love to come to a show. You come to the form show. And maybe if you want me to come out sing a song. I know this is coming. So I want to save you the embarrassment. No, I'm serious. And you just you throw out a key because I also have perfect pitch. I feel like you actually might. Comedically, I have perfect pitch. I never, oh wait, I just did that thing about a guy killing himself. What's another song that we might all know that you like like, you know, something in the way she moves. James Taylor, sweet Caroline, Neil Diamond. What's it? I was mocking him with I was doing a pit bull thing but earlier I wrote a pit bull song. Which one? It didn't do very well but I wrote one. It was called, oh god, it was part of a movie. This was back in 2014. - Was it Men in Black? - It was Men in Black. It was, you know, it was called Celebrate. And it was, I just want to celebrate. And then he did his thing. And we've been around the world same song. - Yeah. - I am fit, boom. - Yeah, yeah. - I'm fit, boom. And I'm here to say, I'm gonna rock the USA. (laughing) Oh my God. - I was driving in to work today and I was flipping around FM Radio, which I never do, just randomly. And I heard this song. And I'm like, what is that? And they were, whoever the rapper was, I found out later on, it's Pitbull was sampling. Baby, whoo, whoo, you're the one down. This 19, late '50s or '60s hit. And I. - What is that song called? Because what I was gonna ask you is if you can sing a song that you like and see if it's actually in the key of what the song is. - Right, I'm gonna sing, has runaway. And we're gonna get in trouble 'cause we can't do these songs, but I'm gonna keep it quick. - It's gonna be a very expensive guest that I am. - Well, don't even sing, don't even sing the first song too. - Sing the first note of a song that you like. - Well, I'm gonna see, wow, this is incredible. Like, do you know "Sweet Carol" or "Sweet Carol" or "Sweet Carol"? - Yeah, not so, I mean, I hear the way that Boston Red Sox crowd sings it. - And we know they've been drinking. And they've got 40 days, you sing a lot. - I'm gonna give you 40 days. That's Ronnie Hawkins on the Hawks, 40 days. - How about a Jack White song? - When he's Jack White song. - You're gonna be friends. - Ideally a song, no, so I can see if he's correct. - You know, we are gonna be friends. Fall is here, here, there's your stump back. - I usually know every song. - Okay, it's a very famous song, and I ashamed of you. (all laughing) - We can get off it if you want, but like, I just know. - I feel like, I wanna hear this. - I wanna hear this. - "Cupid" draw back your boots. - What the fuck is wrong with you? - I don't know that song. - I don't know. - I'm sorry that you could live. (all laughing) - I mean, we gotta bring it up in the night for a time. - What about a Beatles song? - Yeah, a Beatles song. - Of course, we all know those. ♪ Help and need somebody, help ♪ I think that B minor starts off in. - Yes, it is. - Help. - I need some, is that, did I just sing in B minor? - What you're doing in D minor? - Yeah. - Yeah, well, I fixed it. (all laughing) I often fix Beatles songs. - You know the first chords of B minor, so you definitely have some extra recollection. - I do, I remember that. - Yeah, that's fascinating. - Okay. (upbeat music) - Okay, I'll admit something, you talk about this song where you make fun of your prior self or talk about how I used to be cringe. And I think one of the reasons I identify with that song is that I always want on this podcast to underscore that that is the human condition. It's not the Conan O'Brien condition, it's not the Charlie Pooh's condition. It is the human condition that we are very self-critical. And we think the former selves were illegitimate and then we've slowly worked our way to legitimacy or we're not quite there yet, but we will be someday. And I think that's just a fallacy. I think we, so your song was about how I used to do this. I used to wear my hair differently. I used to try and throw out these words to seem cool. And I think, yeah, this song is special, was resonated with me just because I think, I do that about musicians. I think they're real, you know, they're real because you can sit here and you can make magic with this keyboard and you can write these songs that two billion people will listen to. And I think, oh, that's many, many levels above what a comedian does. And I think a lot of comedians do that. I think a lot of us lower ourselves around musicians. 'Cause I just, I think we put musicians on a pedestal and maybe rightfully so. - I think you lower yourself. You're just saying the fucking national anthem, right, Tilly? But I understand it as high as I think I could sing it. - But this is very, I didn't know that this is going to be so introspective. This is very continued. - Oh, sorry, I won't, I won't, no, I like it. - Every now and then, some real stuff breaks out here. And we try to clean it up and editing and add fart sounds. - Why do you think comedians will lower themselves when they're on music? - Well, I think comedians are all about, they're well defended. You know, they're, it's all about, keep the conversation moving. - Keep the conversation moving. Slip and move and make fun of yourself before someone else can make fun of you. There's a lot of tricks that we all employ because really we're just protecting ourselves. A lot of, a lot of really funny comedians grew up not being able to fight and this is what we could do. And so it literally is kind of a weapon. It's a survival mechanism. And these aren't new observations. This is as old as time. But I do think that a lot of comedians can grow up thinking, yeah, I do this because I literally had to make my mark or survive in some way, not literally survive, but survive these social situations. And then music just feels so instantly, like, oh my God, that's great. Do more of that. When you come across someone who's playing the piano really well, you just think instantly, oh my God, that's like God is speaking through them. And I don't think we think that way about comedy. God is not speaking through me. And if he was, God should be sued. (laughing) But you know what I mean? And so I'm not, this isn't false modesty. This is what I really believe is that when someone is playing with these sounds and manipulating them in a way and creating these patterns seemingly without effort, I know there's a lot of practice involved and there's a lot of work. But when they sit down and they're just messing around and you see the film get back, the recut version of Let It Be. When you see that and you see Paul McCartney sitting with his bass and he's frustrated 'cause they need a song and he just starts over and over again, banging and then you see it become the song get back through sheer force of will and creativity and he does it in real time. And it's this song that again is in my head and I could make noises to simulate it. - I know the senior talking about. - Yeah, and he's just there with his, and they're like they need something and he just keeps with a bass, which I did not think of as a songwriter's instrument. I think it's guitar or it's often keyboard or piano. But he's there with a bass and he's just and he's like, "Okay, yeah, yeah, I see what it is now." He's just gotta, don't sing too much, you'll have to pay. McCartney isn't cheap. And McCartney will, he's monitoring this stuff right now himself. He listens to this podcast 'cause he knows. - Right. - A culture, I gotcha, see what you're done. - 'Cause he's the master of, none of this is like, all of this is not even about me. It's not for, if a musician, the reason, well not the reason, this is how I'll say it. Musicians that make it all about themselves are the first to fall, in my opinion, because I didn't invent this chord. This is some god-particle thing. And then we apply our human experience. - Right, chords, like that sounds ugly. But when you put, it starts to resolve. Like that does something, that can make anybody, if there were a hundred people in here, and I played like a fire alarm, everybody would like, you know, wins in the cover of their ears, but you can, they're not gonna do that if I do. - They're gonna be like, they're not gonna (blows raspberry) there's a difference, like you can do that. That's a very primitive example, but like you can do that through intervals and chords, and then it's our goal as humans, and job as humans to put our experience in what was made for us already. - Yeah, the stage was set. - You know what, it's interesting, the parallel that I always find is, 'cause there are certain rules that exist, obviously in Greek tragedy. I mean, the Greeks invented so much, great salad, by the way. - Oh jeez. - But I just looked at Sona, 'cause she's park Greek. - Like I invented the salad? - No, your people did, and I'm proud of you. - You're welcome, man. - My God, who feels amazing every time I eat what you've made. - Welcome, welcome. - But you know, there's dramatic structure, there's dramatic structure, and if you look, you know, plays, novels, any story has a dramatic structure, sitcoms have a structure, you know, and then you look at a lot of it is creating tension, and then resolving tension. And that's what so much of music is, is you know, you, and then you're on the E, you're on the, you know, and then you get back to the A, and you're just like there's this feeling of, - Yeah. - Happy, happy, sad, happy, tension resolved. - Yeah, and it's just, I think it's the soundtrack for those mood stabilizer commercials is, you know, someone's, I don't feel good, I don't feel good, but then you tried Miliastra, you know, and then, hmm, yeah, yeah. - Yeah. - So in the courts, that's usually a ukulele or something. - Yeah, yeah, and then, and then all the side effects. - Yeah, yeah, side effects include massive diarrhea, more diarrhea, your diarrhea will have diarrhea. And people near you will have diarrhea. That's called sympathetic diarrhea. They changed the key. They changed the key up in. Also, diarrhea in a higher key. But you know, that, I remember, there's a, I'm trying to think, what should, there's a let's up. Diary in a higher key is what the twerks should be called. Yeah, going on the twerks. Or just open with that song. Yeah. I think it's cashmere, you know, denin' it, denin' it. Yeah, we really got to be careful 'cause Jimmy Page, Jimmy Page is on the same, he's watching on the same Zoom with Sir Paul. Oh, there he goes. That's a song that stays forever. And then it's, I mean, these are very simple, elemental changes, you know. And I don't know, I don't know that song that well. It's not in my head, but, you know, it's like it's in, it's almost like it's in E for a long time. And then it goes to E7. And so you can sort of see like the ice is starting to break. And it's agonizingly long. And then suddenly it goes to like A. And every time that happens, every time I hear it in any context, I think I've just seen the face of God. And it's the simplest move in the world. But that is, I think what a lot of people in comedy do as well, which is you create this tension of what this person is saying is completely outrageous. And then laughter is the resolution. Yeah. People laugh and it's like, oh good. We're out of that long sustained E7 and now we're into an AMA. And it's like, oh yeah. Yes, this person just saved the day. And what it is is creating this unbearable tension and then breaking it. You know what I'm saying? I've just ruined everything by trying to explain. No, it's people hate this. I knew walking in here that I was, they were, you know, your staff is wonderful. They were like, it's gonna, you're gonna be fun. It's like, yeah, I know it's gonna be fun. But what you're not telling me is that it's gonna be thought provoking. I always have really interesting, awesome conversations with Dave Chappelle, yourself Will Farrell. It's never, I feel like the common misconception when you have a sit down with a comedian or a actor is that they're going to be 100% that person that you're thinking of, right? It's, there's so much more to that. Every time I, it will's a really good friend of mine. I'm sure you know him as well. He's an enemy. Oh, okay, he's an enemy. And so Chappelle, you just named my two arch enemies. I hate those guys. And they have no talent. None, none. None, sad would happen to them. Anyway, continue. My media training is. Whatever you do, don't mention Will Farrell. Or Dave Chappelle, the criminal Brian. 'Cause he hates them. No, they're two. I just have, they are two spectacular geniuses. I'm not thinking it's slapping my knee, laughing, like. Yeah, talking to them, like, kind of like really intrigued what they have to say 'cause there's a lot of parallels drawn. Well, it's the same thing that happens to me. If I'm talking to, you know, the times that I've had a chance to have a conversation with, say, a Paul McCartney, I don't walk away thinking, what the hell was that? He made no music while we spoke, you know? And it's the same thing because the first time I met Steve Martin, years and years and years ago, and I was a writer on Saturday Night Live, I went into the meeting to pitch him ideas, thinking he's gonna have an arrow through his head, by 1978, 1979. Yeah, he's gonna, you know, there's part of you that thinks that you're gonna be talking to. And what? Yeah, exactly, that it would be that arrow. That's the arrow that I first, that's how I first experienced Steve Martin, and then you walk in and it's this very, very serious, serious as a heart attack guy who's trying to figure out what he's gonna do that week, talking in a very soft spoken voice, and he can access that, but he's not gonna do that right now. So that's fascinating, yeah. Yeah, so I am me all the time. I guess I, if you see me at Chipotle, I'm not gonna be how you see me on the internet, but so I guess it's the same thing. It's, I have, you know, days where I'm super quiet, and I don't wanna be like a music, music, music. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And there are days where it's the last thing you probably, I don't wanna do that today, I don't mean, I just wanna watch, here we've seen Doug Demiro on cars, carsandbids.com. I don't think I know that, I don't know that. I don't know that. It's just this super niche community of car lovers of the modern era, like if I can tell you all you need to know about the Saturn view. Oh wow, I just, I love cars of the modern era. Cars of the modern era, anything below 70s, like I don't know what a fucking 79 Corvette is supposed to look like, right? But I can tell you everything about the the the the Sion XB, the leaf, do you know anything about the leaf on leaf? (laughing) Like air, I love, even phones, I like that. I love that, I love that. The guy just walks in and on about, okay, I got this nice on leaf. (laughing) And you know, it runs at 40 watts. I bumped it up to 41. This sucker will do, out of the gate, it'll do 35 miles per hour at top speed. I do know the statistics, if you're, there's a straight four cylinder, but it's, are you got a four into that hood? (laughing) In that leaf. What do you got in that leaf? You got a four? Like do you know what I said about, I think about when my wife's trying to watch her, heated rivalry and whatever. I, I lay, I lay down and think, why did the Yukon Denali in 2002? I'm serious, why did GMC have this beautiful insignia in this chrome door handle on the Yukon Denali in 2002? And then in the 2003 model year, they got rid of it. (laughing) This is crazy, you're gonna say I'm making this up. I have my notes here for the conversation. Denali, right here, why did they lose it on the door? Right here. So do believe me. (laughing) So do believe, did you believe me? That's insane, I know, I'm very going into an interview with Charlie Pooz to talk about the Denali. I just brought it up. I didn't know, I thought they'd be mentioned it. I don't know. It's a fool to be fair, I thought he was serious too. Thank you Charlie, thank you. I have a way of committing. Yes. I'm gonna say something, 'cause we ran out of time a while ago and I've been keeping it going because I sound too much fun. I was having so much fun, I'm shocked you haven't been here before and our booker, Paula Davis, I went to her a while ago and I said, let's get Charlie Pooz on. I love him, I'll watch his TikToks and she said, no, I'm not gonna do it, I'm not gonna do it. And I kept pushing her and she's like, no, no, no. She was like, no, we're not gonna do it. And I said, why, why can't we have Charlie on the show? And she said, 'cause you can't handle the booth. Oh. I gotta go. I gotta go. I can't do this anymore, I gotta go. Oh, yeah, I gotta go. What do you think? Is it the end of the podcast? It's done. We was good working with you, that was awful. Jesus Christ. You can't handle the booth. Listen, I am so mad. I thought it was just because I was just recently taken seriously, like a year ago. I feel like people are finally like actually taking me. No, it's because it lines up so perfectly with you can't handle the truth. And when I took, let me explain, let me explain, let me explain. And then your last name's Pooz. And so I took this iconic, what's this? Oh, you can't give me thumbs down on this. You're explaining it, that's the problem. Is that now we're going into it? Imagine I'm Jack Nicholson. Yeah, it's bad enough. No, that's a great-- Bad enough you did it. That's a great, great bit. Did it end? I don't understand. Yeah, I think we're done. No, no, no, no, okay. This is how I wish we had started. (laughing) And I wish this had happened in the middle and then at the end as the resolution. I see. (laughing) Charlie, that cup has been empty for a while. You're just looking for a way out. This is Luke Worm, Air One Bone Broth. (laughing) No, what are you talking about? You are a phenomenally talented young fellow. And I just knew because I also, I see your sense of humor too when I watch your videos. I'm like, okay, this guy does what I wish I could do and he's funny and you're a massive success. So I was really happy-- You have tripped to me because you are such a massive success and I haven't grown up watching you. And it's like now, it's just so full circle. But none of us, none of that stuff, I don't know. I don't think of myself that like, this is me being as honest as I think I can be, which is I have been incredibly lucky and I love getting to do this thing whatever it is, I won't put a name to it. But what I love about these conversations is trying to get to something that I don't think I'm ever gonna crack, which is there's this thing we're all trying to figure out. And now you're gonna go off and I know exactly what you're talking about. You're gonna go off and play these amazing shows for sold out massive venues. And, but you're still trying to see-- Portland's not sold out. Oh, Portland is always tricky. Yeah, but there you know. They're drinking. Come, come, Bucha. Yeah, exactly. We don't talk anymore, some do. Yeah, listen, first of all, you've now, we're not gonna get Portland sold out by alienating Portland. So I'm just gonna say, I can't imagine a better place for you to play than Portland. I bet it's gonna sound amazing. I mean, great doughnuts, great people. (laughing) They can't handle the booth. Maybe that's it, maybe they can't handle the booth. We don't have to go back to that well. We just went back to a quip that was cancerous. Yes, it was. I mean, it's toxic. It was. It was. You should apologize. - I don't know. - Is there any other musician you look up to, other than me, of course. (laughing) - I look up to anyone that can make a living doing it. I think that's absolutely stunning. And that sounds, but I'm just amazed when, and my goal getting into this was if I can pay my rent, thinking of funny little things or being weird. Wouldn't that be the most amazing thing in the world? That was my idea in 1985, and it's still my idea, you know? It's still like, that is, it's not gonna get better than that. Scale of things can change, but the actual mission doesn't change. So I'm just blown away when, I mean, I like to sit and talk to people, if I walk into a hotel lobby and someone's playing the piano there, I think that was just be amazing to be able to sit and play the piano. And you've got a standing gig and people come and they listen to you and you get some free drinks, that's the part I would want. - Yeah. - But you can, and I used to, that used to be one of my odd jobs as I would go, well, not odd. I would play the piano at bars. You can change the room with, you know, when you start playing piano, man. (dinging) - Yeah. - I won't play any more of it, but yeah. - God, these, these laws are destroying, they're destroying podcasts, they are. - Well, Billy Joel needs that 35 bucks? - No. - But anyway, you would hear Rodney Dangerfield sit down with Johnny Carson and he would just like, the audience would change just based on the, the diction and like his delivery. - Yes, and the expectation. - And the expectation. - So like Buddy Hadgid or Rodney Dangerfield or any of these amazing comedians would sit down with Johnny Carson when I was a kid and my father and I and anyone else in the room would just be like, oh, this is gonna be good. And that's what happens when you start to hear some of these iconic songs, when anyone's playing their hit, you, there's the, oh my God. May everyone knows what's coming and they're also delighted and excited for it. - Which is great. - Except if you completely change the arrangement and make it a, not what it's supposed to sound like. - Right. - The bossa nova version of piano man. (laughing) - That's great. - Artistic selfishness, but even Billy Joel, he says he's, and I've opened up from a couple times. One show got rained out, but he's, I asked him, do you have-- - Really guess. Portland. (laughing) - No, Pittsburgh. - Oh, damn it. - He even said, he'd like, I asked him, do you get tired of playing piano man? And he was like, I do, but the crowd's reaction is worth everything. - Wow, that's, you don't quote me exactly, but that's what I, remember him saying to me and-- - Did he say you now, get out there and open this show. I'm not paying you to talk to me. - Well, the show got rained out, and the show got rained out, and I was all bummed out. He came in, they were like, Mr. Joel wants to, Billy wants to come in and offer his apologies, and he came in and he shrugged his shoulders. He was like, what do you want me to do? (laughing) And we took a picture. - I love a guy that thinks he needs to apologize for the weather. I'm gonna start doing that. Sorry guys, eclipse. What can I do? - He didn't have to do that. It was nice. - No, he's nice, he's very nice. - Listen, an absolute delight. Congratulations, you are a new dad, which is the best thing you'll ever do. - Shout out to Jude Pooth. - Jude, what a cool name. - Hey Jude, that's what I played during his birth. - That's during the birth? - Yeah, that's a long and a song. So, he's a geologist, all the doctors were saying, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. That's so cool. - Yeah, and now every time I sing it to him, he goes, (laughing) That and sing by the carpenters. He loves when the kids come in on the second verse. That's so cool. - No, no, no, no. - My daughter's name is Sandman, 'cause we were listening to Metallica. (laughing) And that was fucked up. But you know what, it turns out I can't man O'Brien. (laughing) Just be careful, this is a public service. Be careful what you're listening to when a child is born, 'cause it can go any different way, you know? Delight having you here, Charlie, really, and best of luck on this tour, you're gonna kill it. - Thank you. - No more diving through the internet, not necessary, you don't need it, you're way past that long time ago. - I agree. - All right, my first interview with my permanent retainer, I just got it, you just got a permanent retainer, is it behind your teeth? - It's behind my teeth, no, I was right behind the forefront teeth here. - Okay. - I don't know why. - Why would you tell me that at all? (laughing) - Because it's a personal victory for me, I was kind of nervous that I was gonna talk weird, but it was perfect. - Yeah, I do. - Now, this is my first interview with an empty colon, just there's nothing completely cleaned down there, completely empty colon. Is that something that we should be sharing? I mean, completely, completely, have a need in six days. - Okay, we got it. - Just and then right before the podcast, that Shabadou, my God. - Okay, I'm an awful person, Charlie, I apologize to you, to your teeth. (laughing) Thank you so much for being here, this was so cool. - Really, thank you for having me. Thank you, everybody. Conan O'Brien needs a friend with Conan O'Brien, Sonom of Cessian, and Mack Gourley, produced by me, Mack Gourley, executive produced by Adam Sachs, Jeff Ross, and Nick Leo, theme song by The White Stripes, incidental music by Jimmy Vivino. Take it away, Jimmy. 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