Chapter 7 | Messy

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They said he remained the person they continued to focus on This is Hunter Gilmourne, post of hunting for answers a true crime podcast Shedding light on the silent epidemic of missing and murdered black women and girls Bringing attention to stories that equally deserve to be told and to the questions that still remain Listen to hunting for answers a true crime podcast from the Black Effect podcast network on the iHeart radio app Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts In 1986 a man named Scott McLean was killed in broad daylight Police quickly found their suspect prosecutors convicted him but now almost 40 years later. I'm re-examining this case I really didn't believe any of it was real and I was like well, they're gonna figure out this is not me They're gonna do their police job as the wrong man been in prison this whole time Listen to examined the backfire effect on the iHeart radio app Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts Last time on ear witness We knew the reward was offered because it was all over the papers But we didn't know who got it or if I let Alison got it She was a very credible witness We believed her obviously we believed her because we convicted him and it was on her testimony When I showed up in her house, she said I didn't get a reward. I was like, oh, well, that's funny I was like, we have some paper here that says you got a reward We got an email that said we found these documents. They'd been misfiled and Here they are does that sound Strange to you or do you have any idea how that could have happened? The AG's office did they say they got misfiled and I guess it got misfiled human error. I guess I don't know Do you think that your impression of her would have been different? Had you known she was being paid $5,000? I definitely believe we would have as a jury talked about that like how credible is this Testimony she's being paid for it Like I had never been in trouble a day of my life ever before the end I'm going to jail I've never been a jail of them my life ever ever ever never had got any trouble anything I'm sitting on the couch in a tiny one-bedroom apartment in Birmingham It's warm outside the door is open to let in a breeze I'm talking with Marika Wilson who's telling me in my producer Mara about a defining experience of her life Being charged with attempted murder in 1997 when she was 20 years old a crime she did not commit The crime happened late at night when one woman and two men tried to rob a man in Birmingham They broke into his house and shot him. He almost died. Marika was accused of being the woman who participated in the crime But she says she wasn't there. It was someone else I'm gonna take no plea today over me 22 years of my life for something that I didn't even do and I said no, I fought to the bitter end A jury found a Marika not guilty, but the ordeal left lifelong scars It has still just bothered me all these years about what I went through. You know, I'm saying Every time I applied for a job Even though I was a quid I couldn't get a job a decent job to take care of my kids I lost my place. I didn't have a shirt to put on my back then. I lost custody of my kids behind that I was up against all type of odds in a situation something that I didn't even do but she She did that woman's ticket up there. She said she seemed me The woman Marika is referring to is the witness who testified against her a neighbor of the victim who said She'd seen the crime unfold from her living room window at 2 a.m She told the jury she saw Marika and two other people break down the victim's door and assault him the woman's name Violet Ellison So do you remember Violet Ellison? I remember her getting up there saying she seemed me through the window She was wrong. She was wrong. Yes, ma'am. She it wasn't me They just credit her at my trial. They made her look horrible. I have remember her like she just got up there and pointed at me Marika's attorneys showed the jury that Violet Ellison's view from her living room window was blocked by a tree There was no possible way she could have seen Marika or anyone else on her neighbor's porch So she was a big part of the case against you She lied on the old literally literally lied on the old Violet Ellison testified against Marika less than four months after she served as the star witness against To Forest Johnson Their trials happened in the same year in the same courthouse Prosecuted by the same DA's office In both cases Violet Ellison knew the victim spoke to detectives and became a lead witness Mara and I find ourselves in Marika Wilson's living room a few weeks after I made a lucky discovery and Alabama's database of online court records One afternoon, I'm sitting in my office poking around in the database It's a clunky website with all these different drop-down menus I'm running searches on Violet Ellison's name Trying her name in a bunch of different ways, getting the same results When all of a sudden I hit enter and Loop a new list pops up Criminal cases all naming Violet Ellison as a state's witness So in addition to to Forest's case, I discovered that Violet Ellison has been a witness for the state in four other criminal cases Marika Wilson was the first person that we tracked down who Violet Ellison had testified against When I first called Marika, I told her about the four other cases Violet was involved in as a witness Right, we know of five different criminal cases Is these both convicted because of her several of them, yeah Oh, man, y'all need to help them people because She's not credible. I said that to my husband about that woman. I said, babe He said his woman don't been involved in several cases like is she on a payroll or something I just sound like some crooked going on with me because how does she keep popping up in all these serious cases and being witnesses like this So that don't sound like I'm sorry. It doesn't Wow, a new boy on this world because of this lady. Oh wow Yes, I'm going on with that, y'all In order to believe and to forest Johnson's conviction you have to believe that Violet Ellison was truthful when she said that she overheard to forest Talk about killing deputy Hardy that she wasn't after the reward money because she didn't know about it You have to believe that Violet Ellison is credible So we need to know everything we can about Violet Ellison because without her Without her credibility There is no case against to forest Johnson I'm Beth Shelburn This is Ear Witness, Chapter 7, Messy. Shortly before 6 o'clock a.m. on November 13, 1991, Annette's mother and her two young sons found her unresponsive inside their apartment. Investigators ruled the case a homicide. Over the years, detectives continued searching for answers, but the case eventually went cold. This is Hunter Youngmore, host of Hunting for Answers, a true crime podcast, shedding light on the silent epidemic of missing and murdered black women and girls, bringing attention to stories that equally deserve to be told and to the questions that still remain. As the years passed, detectives continued working the case, but more than three decades after Annette's death, no one has been held accountable. Annette's mother, Freda Scott, spent years hoping to see her daughter's case song. She never saw that day come. Annette Jones' case remains unsolved. Listen to Hunting for Answers, a true crime podcast from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. My name is Josie Duffy Rice. I'm a journalist who covers the criminal legal system. In over my career, I've heard account after account of prosecutorial misconduct, story after story of injustice, but I've never heard a story quite like this. The more I kept reading that stuff, I thought, man, there's more red flags that just kept coming up over and over. We'll hypnotize them to strengthen that memory. So he went into a good brand. I really didn't believe any of it was real and I was like, well, they're going to figure out this is not me. They're going to do their police job. Listen to examined the Backfire Effect on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Dear Hunnies, this is goodbye. In February of 2024, celebrated illustrator and children's book author Patre Mathers and her husband, Michael, nailed letters to dozens of friends and family members to let them know that they had died by suicide. By the time you get to shredder both, Petra and I will be dead. Next stop, Wonderland. Patre and Michael were by all accounts healthy, happy, and in love. Why did they do it? And what did it do to the people they left behind? I would have given a million reasons to not leave this world had I known. I keep coming back to a truly hope that Patre was a thousand percent on board with the plan. Do you think of him as having killed her? Yes, I do. I hold Michael responsible for my mother's death. I'm Leon Nayvak. And I'm Alice Gregory. Together, we set out to interview everyone who got one of Patre and Michael's letters. As one married couple, trying to understand another. Listen to death of an artist on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. In January of 2022, Mara and I start trying to track down the other people while it elicentestified against. We spend a lot of time in my car, full days sometimes. I pack mom snacks, healthy stuff like hummus and baby carrots, raw almonds, maybe a diet doctor pepper on a hard day. Maria was the first person we were able to find. The second case that listed Violet Ellison as a witness was a second degree assault between two men who got in a fight. The case ended in a plea deal, so she never actually testified. We weren't able to figure out exactly why she was listed as a witness. We tried very hard to talk to the man charged in the case, but never could reach him. And then, there was the third case. It involved a local pastor named Bishop James Johnson, who was accused of inappropriately touching and kissing three teenage girls at his church run school in 1993. Violet Ellison was a school employee who testified about the alleged abuse, but Bishop Johnson maintained he was falsely accused and that Violet Ellison was lying. The charges against him were eventually dropped by the state. We talked to Bishop Johnson, who's now in his late 80s, at his house and a suburb of Birmingham, and he told us Violet Ellison made up the accusations in an effort to get rid of him because she wanted to run the school. We talked to one other school employee who corroborated what Bishop Johnson told us. That Violet Ellison made up the allegations. I tried to find some of the alleged victims in this case, but I wasn't able to track them down. Bishop Johnson said he's forgiven Violet Ellison. That's over, thank God. I have nothing in my heart against her. I forgave her. Every life I was told, I'm free. But he said she is not a trustworthy person. I don't trust her. She's not a person I trust. George Holloway is the next person on our list of people that Violet Ellison testified against. What we know from court records is this. Between 2008 and 2016, George Holloway was charged in several domestic violence incidents involving his girlfriend. But unlike Marika Wilson and Bishop James Johnson, George Holloway pleaded guilty to his charges which included violating a protective order twice. He was sentenced to three years in prison. The documents don't show why Violet Ellison was a witness against George Holloway. So Mara and I get in the car and drive around for hours, knocking on doors with the list of possible home addresses with no luck. Finally, we pull up to the last address on our list around sunset, a small brick house in Bessemer. We're here. You know, it's always a gamble, but I'm just giving it a whirl. At the same time, a truck stops at the top of the house's driveway. Can you, are we blocking you? An outhops a man wearing grass-stained work clothes and a neon green shirt. Are you going to this house? We're looking for Mr. George Holloway. Is that you? That's okay. George, I'm sorry to show up here like this. We are journalists and we are working on a story about a case and the lease. I launch into a spiel about what we're up to and George Holloway listens quietly as we stand next to his mailbox. We're trying to get information on her. Her name's Violet Ellison. Do you know her? Do you have an opinion about her or have any any information that you could give us about her? I know she's very predicted. She's like to be involved in a lot of stuff that doesn't involve her. She's very, she's a very messy lady. Very messy. George Holloway invites us into his living room to talk more about his relationship with Violet Ellison. She's not a reliable person that you would trust, that you would put your faith in and I would tell anybody whatever you have to say, do not say it in front of her because it's going to get turned totally backwards. It's not going to be said the way that you said. My opinion, stay away from that woman because she's trouble. He tells us that he met Violet Ellison through his ex-girlfriend. It gets a little complicated but it's like this. George Holloway used to date a woman we'll call Sharon. Before she was with George, Sharon dated Violet Ellison's son, Reginald Smith, who's known as red. George tells us that when Sharon broke up with red, she remained friends with Violet Ellison. But he tells us Violet Ellison wanted Sharon and her son red to get back together, and she thought George was in the way. Reginald admits that he and Sharon had a volatile relationship, and because of that, Sharon had a protective order against him. He says that one night, he and Sharon had an argument in person violating the protective order. George says he left after the argument and Sharon called police, but Violet Ellison later testified that she heard and saw the whole thing firsthand. She had said that she was there, she witnessed it, but she was not there. She showed up after everything had happened, and the police was there on the scene. George tells us he decided to plead guilty to breaking Sharon's protective order to wash his hands of the whole situation. He says he hasn't seen Sharon, Violet Ellison, or her son red in years. George admits to physical fights with Sharon, but it seems like his descriptions of these fights minimize the violence. We know there is another side to the story, but Sharon doesn't respond to our interview requests. I tell George about Violet Ellison's involvement into forced Johnson's conviction, and the $5,000 reward she was paid in secret. She'll do anything possible that she can, if money is involved, even go through this thing to lie. But he says Violet Ellison has an even stronger motivation than money, her son red. She would do anything possible, anything. And go to any extent to keep her son out of trouble. Multiple sources tell me that red is a long-time drug user, and court records show that he's been in and out of jail. George says that Violet Ellison enabled her son. She would cover up for him whether he was right or whether he was wrong. She knew he was doing things out there in the street. But after police come, she would lie and say he's not there. She would give polices of information, leading to drug buses. After that done dead robberies and favor for them to drop charges against red, get the charges downgraded to keep him from going to jail. I leave the interview with George Holloway wondering, could reds legal issues have motivated Violet Ellison to get involved with police? Was she after leniency for her son? A search of public court records shows that red has a lengthy list of misdemeanor and felony convictions on his record, going back to 1980. But I checked with the Alabama Department of Corrections, and they have no record of him ever serving time in prison. These tracks with what one of Violet Ellison's neighbors told me, that red is often in trouble, but he's like Teflon, nothing sticks. For example, in 1997, red was charged with robbery and theft when he stole five watches from a department store. He pleaded guilty and was sentenced to 15 years in prison. Then the judge amended red sentence and granted him probation instead of prison time. But there's no information about why his sentence was downgraded, and this happened less than a month before the start of Teflon's second trial. That timing gets my attention. I wonder if it's possible that Violet Ellison testified into Forest's case in exchange for preferential treatment for her son. But on further examination, that seems like a long shot. The charges against red in 1997 were in Bessamer, not Jefferson County, where Teflon was tried, with different prosecutors and judges. But I do know that Violet Ellison was involved in her son's criminal defense. In a 2007 burglary case, records show that red's attorney met with the defendant and his mother for three hours in two separate meetings. Red pleaded guilty in that case and got probation. Is red getting preferential treatment because his mother has been a witness for the state in multiple cases? I find no documentation to support this. But then again, are deals like that ever spelled out in court records? Shortly before 6 o'clock AM on November 13, 1991, a net's mother and her two young sons found her unresponsive inside their apartment, investigators ruled the case a homicide. Over the years, detectives continued searching for answers. But the case eventually went cold. This is Hunter Youngworm, host of Hunting for Answers, a two crime podcast, shedding light on the silent epidemic of missing and murdered black women and girls, bringing attention to stories that equally deserve to be told, and to the questions that still remain. As the years passed, detectives continued working the case. But more than three decades after a net's death, no one has been held accountable. And that's mother, Freda Scott, spent years hoping to see her daughter's case song. A net Jones's case remains unsolved. In over my career, I've heard a count after a count of prosecutorial misconduct, story after story of injustice. But I've never heard a story quite like this. So he went into a good France. I really didn't believe any of it was real, and I was like, well, they're going to figure out this is not me. According to examined, the backfire effect on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. In February of 2024, celebrated illustrator and children's book author, Patre Mathers, and her husband, Michael, nailed letters to dozens of friends and family members to let them know that they had died by suicide. By the time you get this letter, both Petra and I will be dead. Wonderland and Michael were by all accounts healthy, happy, and in love. Why did they do it? Yes, I do. I'm Leon Nayfak. Together we set out to interview everyone who got one of Patre and Michael's letters. Listen to death of an artist on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. While looking through Red's files, I noticed an especially violent assault and battery from 1994. He was sentenced to supervised probation. I was able to dig up a report of the incident in which police say, "Red spits on a woman, grabs her by the neck and hair and pulls her around a room." A child is listed as a witness. The victim's name is Anita Davis and her most likely addresses are all in central Georgia. So Mara and I get back in the car and make the four-hour drive to try to find her. Hi. We're looking for Anita Davis. Oh, she passed away. Oh, I'm so sorry. Are you her daughter? Uh-huh. My name is Beth. This is Mara. We are writers and we're working on a story about a wrongful conviction and we're reaching out to people that may know the right witness. Her name is Violet Ellison. Oh, I know. Yeah. That's my grandma. Oh, okay. So Violet Ellison is your grandmother. Okay. Unexpectedly, we find ourselves talking to Violet Ellison's granddaughter. Tyse Davis is in her 50s but doesn't look a day over 40. When I mention her grandmother, Violet Ellison, Tyse comes out from behind the screen door. She keeps her earbuds in while we stand on the porch and talk. What kind of grandmother was she was she involved in your life? No. No. She told my dad, your kids ain't gonna never amount in it. But then we're the kids that's been successful. And now she's trying, she's trying to come back around. Yeah. So there's not like warm feelings. Yeah. So far, most of the people I've contacted about Violet Ellison had good reason to say negative things about her. Those were people who she testified against. But this feels different. We're hearing from a blood relative, a person connected to Violet Ellison through family. Tyse tells us she's retired from the Air Force. She moved to Georgia with her mom and Anita Davis and her two brothers when they were kids. Tyse says it was to get away from the chaos surrounding her father's side of the family. We ask her about red. What's the deal with red, her son? Uh, so that's my dad. Okay. I really don't have anything to do with him because he's been on drugs since I was nine, eight or nine. Okay. He stayed with her. So, you know, you had a parents where, you know, you know, you know, your child doing stuff, but you uphold it versus letting them know you wrong. Yeah. She upholds everything. That's exact. Tyse corroborates the picture already painted by George Holloway and a neighbor of Violet Ellison telling us that she readily involves herself and other people's criminal issues, but does whatever she can to protect her son red when he gets into trouble. You don't need neighborhood watch for her, but she only, she only noticed what she want to know is because if her son was breaking into somebody's house, mistakes, she didn't see that, but anything else she would see. So, yeah, that type of stuff. We explain why we're interested in Violet Ellison and her son. And Tyse tells us she had recently heard about her grandmother's involvement in Taforis Johnson's case. So, I wasn't surprised when I heard it because if it involved money, I wouldn't be surprised. Well, and it did. I mean, she was paid $5,000. Yeah. So, I wouldn't be surprised. Like, when I heard the story, I was like, yeah, I'm not surprised at all. She's money hungry. So, that's the issue. Well, like I said, we'll say anything to get money. Why is she like that? Any idea? No, even like I said growing up, I had nothing to do with them. Like, for instance, I'm going to give you an example. Tyse tells us that Violet Ellison was distant when she was a child. But then, right after Tyse joined the Air Force, she got a call from her grandmother. Having done nothing for me, her right now, having done nothing for me, when I joined the military, she said, hey, I need your social care to them. So, I can get insurance while it's on you. Just in case, you know, something happens to you, we can bear you. I'm fine with the military. I'm covered and there's nothing to go to my mom. So, why do you need my social? But you ain't never decided to do that before. So, it's stuff like that. But, I'm not surprised with the money thing. And I hate that this man could be innocent and for $5,000. He's gonna do her $5,000. But she testified under oath that she did not know about the reward. She didn't know that any money was involved. Exactly. My brother said she ain't testified against the list as money involved. All of a sudden, we realize that Tyse has earbuds in because she's on the phone with someone. It's her brother, Tony. Okay. Is he here? Yeah. Do you think he would talk to us? Would it be possible for us to come see him, too? You're fine with that, Tony. It's probably like I was. Yeah, okay. You would just have to get some. Violet Ellison's grandson, Tony, lives about 10 minutes away from his sister, Tyse. We get to his house and the front yard is filled with cars and various states of repair. He's waiting for us on the porch. Hello. Hi, how are you? Are you Tony? After he finishes extracting an old bird's nest from the rafters, Tony talks to us for 40 minutes. I can tell you one thing about my grandma, she is a true scam artist. That's the truth. I hate to see it. I know it's my grandma, but that's a true scam artist. In a way, she can get a dollar telling she ain't that tight. They're just going to help somebody just to help them. It got to have money. It got it got it got to have money involved. Wow. It just had it. It got to have it. Ain't got money involved. She ain't with it. She won't have it. Tony says his grandmother tried to scam him out of $500 by claiming that he owed her for alone. Mara tells Tony about how the state presented Violet Ellison at To Force Johnson's trial and that she says she didn't know about the reward when she testified. He doesn't believe that. Getting your bed and trying to act like she concerned about stuff, but really she needs to sign. She just trying to get your bed and trying to see a way she can get some money. Oh, reward for this. I'll find her believe it, but she lied too much. She's like my dad had lied too much. She lied about anything to get away with anything. So he goes on to describe the relationship Violet Ellison has with her son Red, who is also Tony's father. They like bunting Clyde. I should arrive on the whole time. She can see with her own eyes with this man, the, and she'll be like, "No, you can't see that." She out doing like this. She'll be like this and we'll live. Tony then tells us the story about the assault and battery case that led us here, filling in details that are missing from the court files. He says when he was little, Red was on drugs and would hit Tony's mom. One night Tony, wanting to protect her, stabbed Red. I really did. I stabbed him. I stabbed him in his cab, most of his stuff in Ohio. And you know who the first person that pulled up, right? The first person pulled up and then he didn't. They told the police a lie. They tried to put a lie to somebody that he got in the fight with somebody and all this stuff. But they. Wait, so Violet lied to the police? She always lied for the police to try to get him out of the truck. But she tried to put a lie. I was gonna get in trouble for stabbing him. I didn't kill. I don't live. I didn't kill. I was just checking my mom. According to Tony, even when he was little, he saw Violet Ellison lie to police to protect her son, Red. But Red was arrested for this incident and sentenced to 60 days probation. And it was after this. Tais and Tony's mother Anita decided to move the family to Georgia. Like his sister, Tais, Tony was also troubled to recently hear about his grandmother's involvement into Forest Johnson's conviction and death sentence. I'm not typically comfortable reporting negative opinions about a private citizen. But Violet Ellison's word is the case against to Forest Johnson. In order to figure out how an innocent person ended up on death row, there was no way around investigating the star witness and whether or not she's credible. I had that conversation with Violet Ellison on her front porch. A year before, I talked with Tais and Tony. But after hearing from her grandchildren, I went back and knocked on Violet Ellison's door again. Multiple times. Hi, we're looking for Miss Violet Ellison. I wanted to learn more about her relationship with her son Red and her involvement in other cases. Each time I knocked, the woman inside claimed Violet Ellison wasn't at home. I even left a note in her mailbox along with my business card. but Violet Ellison never responded. Miss Ellison, is that you? (upbeat music) I wasn't able to find documented proof of all of the allegations that sources made against Violet Ellison. For example, there's no paper trail that shows she lied to protect her son, Red. But there's also no ironclad proof that Violet Ellison heard to Forest Johnson talk about killing Deputy Hardy in 1995. The state presented her testimony with no verification of what she claimed, no recording of the calls she eavesdropped on. Nothing outside her word and the notes she turned over to police that connected to Forest Johnson to a murder, he maintains to this day that he did not commit. Prosecutors presented Violet Ellison as a concerned mother, troubled by her conscience, and she was adamant that she didn't know about the reward when she testified. But through my reporting, consistent negative descriptions kept coming up about her, even from her own grandchildren. One former coworker called her Sneaky, a relative referred to her as a peacebreaker. Almost every person we talked to said Violet Ellison should not be trusted. We spoke to over a dozen different people about Violet Ellison. The consistent portrait that emerged from these conversations is diametrically opposed to the characterization presented by prosecutors at trial and what judges still believe as to Forest tries to undo his conviction. I also learned that Violet Ellison was in a precarious financial position burdened by medical debt. She lives in a community plagued by violence and poverty. Her son suffers from addiction. She's estranged from some of her immediate family. She seems to seize opportunities where she can. One of those was created by the state when they offered money for information about a police officer's murder. (gentle music) (gentle music) 15 years before I began looking into Violet Ellison, there was someone else who had questions about her credibility. Jeff Wallace, the prosecutor who stood in front of a jury and threw Deputy Hardy's hat onto the courtroom floor. Jeff Wallace spent four years of his life prosecuting this case, trying to put our dragons forward into Forest Johnson on death row. He successfully put to Forest Johnson on death row. I mean, four years of his professional life, he devoted to this. Jeff Wallace reached out to Ty Alper and the rest of DeForest's legal team to share what was on his mind. And today, he says that DeForest Johnson deserves a new trial. 20 years later, he's saying I think it should be undone. I mean, that to me, it takes courage that most lawyers don't have. - That's next time. (gentle music) Ear Witness is a production of Lobba for Good Podcasts in association with Signal Company number one. Executive producers are Jason Flom, Jeff Kimpler, Kevin Wardis, and me, Beth Shelburn. The investigative reporting for this series was done by me and Mara McNamara. Producers are Mara McNamara, Hannah Biel, and Jackie Polly. Kara Cornhaber is our senior producer. Britt Spangler is our sound designer. Additional story editing from Marie Sutton. Fact check help from Catherine Newhand. And special thanks to Ty Alper Johnson's legal defense team. You can follow the show on Instagram, TikTok, Facebook, and Twitter at Lobba for Good. To see behind-the-scenes content from our investigation, visit lavaforgood.com/ear-witness. (gentle music) You know that moment when everything lines up. When life gives you the green light and you just go, that's the 2026 Toyota Camry. No hesitation, no friction, just a car that's right there with you. Ready, responsive, in control, the whole way through. Because when it's your moment, you shouldn't have to think twice. 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