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Chael Sonnen Threatens To Beat The Sh*t Out Of Matan

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Chael Sonnen Threatens To Beat The Sh*t Out Of Matan

Chale Sonnen, a former mixed martial arts champion and self-identified gangster, opens up about a deeply personal incident where he felt publicly insulted by Tito, who said “I hate you” during a live event—something Sonnen finds deeply hurtful, especially given his upbringing where the word "hate" was considered taboo. He connects this moment to his own life story, explaining how growing up in poverty and experiencing systemic neglect—such as a broken air conditioner forcing his family to swim for cooling—shaped his path, including his involvement in gang life and bank robberies, which he defends as a reaction to financial exploitation and racism. Sonnen emphasizes his strong pro-life values, criticizing forced eugenics and questioning the contradictions in policies like bans on hunting and fishing, which he sees as conflicting with individual freedoms. He also shares insights on Brazilian culture, noting food like Koshina and the perceived laziness of some men, while reflecting on his time in Israel and a bomb shelter experience. He discusses his views on violence, humor, and the importance of personal agency, including a playful but serious debate over whether he’d be upset if turned into a burger. The conversation ends with Sonnen expressing interest in future collaboration and fighting challenges, highlighting his blend of toughness, humor, and deep personal conviction. The episode is rich with self-reflection, cultural commentary, and philosophical debate, reflecting on identity, justice, and the complexities of life in marginalized communities.

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Hello everybody, welcome back to the podcast for today's guest. We have Chale Sonnen. Welcome in Thanks for coming. Yeah, I want to miss it for today's cool host. We have our flooring my manager of our flooring. Welcome in our flooring. You can fit over there Yeah, well, just put it pull it close to your mouth like this and Then introduce yourself to anybody who might not know you and all that if you don't know you should know My name is Chale P Sonnen and the P stands for icon And what do you do? Maybe some people don't know your your previous career or something like that. Well, I am deeply immersed in gang activity I am a gangster by trade. I I'm an dancer. I used to be I Used to be with the mixed martial arts. I fought for six world championships And I you know, I feel like I'm kind of a mentor. You know, I get along with people really well I wanted to ask if you would like to use this opportunity to publicly apologize to Tito or tease now What is that you you you see yourself as a mangler a mender? Oh a mender. Yeah, that's very sweet of you No, Tito said something very hurtful to me Tito said and this is this is terrible like think about trash talk. Here's what he said to me He took a microphone. We were face-to-face. I don't know what's gonna happen He just we're at this event. He decides he wants a minute on the microphone So I give him the minute it takes a microphone and he looks at me and he pauses and then he goes I hate you and He what it wasn't like to sell a fight or something like this like he was just being sincere that he hated He sincerely hated you my mother didn't even let us use that word growing up like like she would say Don't say hate is such a bad word. Don't use the age word and he said I hate you and I remember standing there He didn't hate him. This is the whole thing. I'm giving you this airtime. I'm giving you this moment to tell me the the Minus thing that you can which is that you hate me No, I did not I did not hate him back now. Well think about this, you know, just from the videos I've seen I've never met him. He seems like he's not all there. Yeah, so maybe he didn't really mean it or maybe he did But he didn't know how hurtful that would be to you. Yeah, maybe that's right and you maybe I should share our backstory with you But we wrestled and call it. Yes, so like when we were kids that were aspiring to be in the UFC or something like this We knew each other and then the only thing you get from that sport is you get a camaraderie when it's done Yeah, like no matter how today's interview lead you and I will leave here as friends That's just the way that it works like you just you know, you spend this time with somebody and you get to know a lot of gun and shit myself Oh, please don't hurt yourself. I don't want to see her You thought I was gonna say you but if I get it to myself then it'd be more interesting. Well, you wouldn't hate me But we definitely wouldn't be friends. I wouldn't want you to hurt yourself. I'm very pro-life I don't want anybody to die. Okay pro-life like anti-borshin anti-borshin. Yep What if you know that it's not gonna survive anyways? Oh Boy, well, I mean I suppose that would be true. I don't mean to get philosophical I've never been asked that one but I suppose that's true for all of us, right? We're all ultimately not gonna No, I mean like in the wolf it's already like the crap it because the mother took like a hundred pills. Oh That mother No, I would not stop the life, but I didn't have that happen to a friend. They called it a stillborn. That was what I'm saying Yeah, it will be a still boy. That was tough. Yeah, well then if it's gonna happen anyway Then you let it happen and happen natural instead of speeding it up, but tough spot for sure What if it? We don't have to go down that path. And have you ever been accused of maligny? Maligny Lenny no, I didn't Lenny did he tell you that? That's what he said Lenny he didn't say to me personally. There's a minute we were wrestling. That was a I was teaching him a move It happened to be called a crotch lift. That's a very That's an except well, but I thought he could be I thought he showed you just trying to help him I was trying to help him. I am a wrestling coach and part of it is recruitment and Lenny was standing there Looking like a fool and I looked at I said you know you kind of look. Why are we? I think you have good flexibility You might have some strength. So I was starting to help with some I was encouraging Lenny That's a terrible rumor. Well, I didn't ask you if you am I asked if you were accused of No, that's what I thought I thought you were saying that he then said no, I was asking if you got accused of Lenny. Oh, I thought Lenny. Oh, he did it. Then I guess. I don't know. Well now it's a little confusing It's like a yes. Maybe when you Lenny in here on this. Can you call Lenny or you got a he got some sort of order on you? He didn't have an order on me. Okay And what are your top three things about Brazilian people my top three things? Well, jeez I will tell you this and I told other people this and they've laughed But I don't say this to be light-hearted. They have something over there called a Koshina You must try it if you go there. It's it's like this food. Yeah, it's awesome though It's deep fried. It's got like meats and cheeses inside It's then a deep fried like a corn dog except instead of just having a simple hot dog or saucers They put like meats and cheeses. Okay, fantastic Two more. Yep, that's one thing The women are very beautiful. I must say and the men are a little bit lazy Little bit only two so far. That was other ones in insult. Oh Did we say they had to be good things? Yeah, your top three things. Oh, I guess it was only two good things And that's the top of the bad in that country. You know, it was a it was a nice country, but Those men boy go around have babies with all sorts of people and then don't get up and go to work in the morning I don't understand a man like that. I don't think they're very pro life over there They might be actually their Catholic. I don't actually know. I mean, I don't know. I'm shooting and killing each other. Oh, okay Oh, I say a strong value on life. Yeah, that's that's true in some parts By the way What's the gimmick? He's got a plate. He pretends to have a meal is that Is that a part of the show he pretends to have a he's my manager. Okay, but did he have a meal? Did he finish it? He did he had he finished his steak. Okay, I think it a potato and some steak I think he had that Brazilian thing you were talking about where they put a piece of wood and then they put a bunch of cheese in it I'm telling you man. It's really good. It's called a Koshino. You had that in Brazil. Yeah, yeah Haven't Brazil some people will eat it like with with ketchup and mustard. I thought it'd probably be pretty dangerous for you over there Yeah, it probably was I hit good security when I went but uh It's beautiful man. I went to São Paulo the people in São Paulo But it's it's incredible city, but they will like apologize for they'll go. Oh, hey, if you're gonna be here You got to go to Rio Rio was so much better. I've been to Rio. I liked Rio. I like São Paulo better I think the Brazilian's have it wrong. I think São Paulo is a more fun place I wouldn't know. I will never go there really it seems like a very dangerous place They might sell you they might sell your fingers because over there that's worth a lot. Yeah, there is there is From a Brazilian when I went to Brazil the first time I was 23 and I went for Abu Dhabi Abu Dhabi was held in Brazil just except the story, but When we checked in the hotel the guy gave us warnings He said all right as soon as it gets dark out don't leave don't ever get in any car You know for it to unless I put you in unless somebody from this hotel was actually trying to make it so you didn't have fun He was trying to Yeah, it would have been a lot more fun if you hadn't listen. Oh, we had a good time man. We listen. We listen, but uh We we we we we appreciate it. We appreciate the heads the heads up Do you think there is a single active UFC champion who would stand a chance against you right now? No, no, no Oh today's guys you gotta understand this But you now not you then you right now versus them. Oh, I'm way more dangerous now No, first off, I'll poke you now you come up to me now on my street clothes. I'll draw a 38 and put it in your face Uh, no, no, we think that would be a very well, but I'm just sharing if that's what you men and not to mention I mean, I was juiced up then but I'm way more juiced up now really and out here I thought they weren't allowed here everybody. I see here the mall is insane. Yeah, no, well you got some truth to that, but I've never seen so many gay people and I'm from LA more in Oregon. Yeah, oh really they do value gay now I'll tell you this I don't know if you're trying to make a joke, but I'm gonna walk around I'm not joking at all. I went to school at the University of Oregon. That's in Eugene about two hours that way, but it is the lesbian There is no Area stronger for lesbian per capita than Eugene Oregon. So yes, that would be true. Oregon may be in America, but there's no way it beats Tel Aviv Yeah, it's for America. It's an American state status Tel Aviv. I've been there. Oh really lesbians really shit really That surprises me. What now? Not just gay. You're saying lesbian specifically in Tel Aviv. I mean probably where else would they go? I don't I don't know. I was there. I was there in there. There was a bomb when I got there I had to go hide in between walls of a building. When was this bomb shelter? 2015 ish. It's where I met Hoy's Gracie. You know that name Hoy's Gracie. Yeah, you met Tel Aviv in a bomb shelter Wow, interesting. I was having breakfast and I go with my wife. We get rough as sirens start going We get rushed and like you secretly hoping that the bomb would hit somewhere in Tel Aviv You know, I was like I was hoping to see a little something about to be honest now the iron dome did didn't up striking it down And then the Israeli people dismissed it. They're like, oh this small bomb small group No, but maybe if you're truly a superhero, you would have dismantled the iron dome. I'd like to have known about it So the bomb could have actually hit yeah It was impressive the way that they organized and rushed us into this this bomb shelter though right in the middle of breakfast It was it was it was cool. Why were you there to begin with Scott Coker brought us over to do a bella tour Sold out huge event the Israelis were huge into that. Israelis are very tough action I come from a wrestling background and every Olympic cycle. They'll have somebody. I heard that if you go to Israel You have to do a post every day on social media saying I'll be able to find a true. No, that's That isn't true, but I will tell you this. The Mediterranean is what that sits on, and that is the nicest water, the nicest sand I have ever seen. Even in postcards. I have never seen anything as white, crystal, perfectly blue. See, right through the ocean all the way at the bottom, it was really amazing. Right. I don't think of Israel as a destination, largely because of all the fighting that goes on. But it is a destination. That is like where people should go on honeymoon or special events. It was beautiful. I definitely wouldn't agree, but have you been there? No, I haven't. Okay. You're Catholic. Catholic. Yeah. Yeah, he's changing, I guess, but I guess there's still a lot, because you're older. There's still a lot of older guys that really love Israel. Yeah. I'm going to Russia next week. Interesting. You just don't give a shit about nothing. No, I don't. I do want to be smart. I do want to be smart, but no, I'm getting brought over by Putin. I mean, the actual government is bringing us over, and we're going for a wrestling event. But wrestlers are treated very different in certain parts of the world. Iran is one of them. Russia is one of them. The government gets involved, so no, I think that we will be just fine. Why is the government so obsessed with stocking crazy people and messing with their heads? Wouldn't they be better off doing this to smart people? Yeah. Yeah, that's. Haha. Everything about that? Yeah. No, I have never thought about that. I know that I disagree with your point. I always see them on Instagram, and there's people following them, but they're clearly not all there. So I start to wonder, wouldn't they be better off stocking me, and then I begin to think maybe they are. Yeah, they could be. But maybe they're actually sending better resources to get a hold of me. Yeah. That's true. And I can find them like crazy people. That's true. Well, you're very accessible, though. They could probably just ask you to come sit down and visit with them, and you probably would. The crazy people. The crazy people of the people following them, and potentially me. Yeah. No, that could be. If you outsmart them, we'll see. But who would I sit down with? I certainly wouldn't sit down with the crazy people who think they're being followed. But if somebody was following me, I would sit down with them. Yeah. I saw you. You sat down with someone. I don't know how to say his last name. I hope you know what? But it's John. John, and then it's like Kirikaku. Yeah. John Kirikaku. Yeah, man. He got a bad deal. I'd like to be able to help him. I hope somebody does help him. He should have been pardoned by now. I think the only problem with him not being pardoned is of now is he doesn't get his money. I think he should get his money. But that money is not. Now, too, man. He's in his. I hear you on that. But he's free. I hear you on that. I'm just saying, well, he's not completely free of a felony falls you around. I have a felony. It follows you around. And he is a. You have a felony? Yeah. What did you do? I robbed some banks. You robbed banks? Yeah. Okay. I don't actively rob banks. But why did you do that? Oh, don't make it like. I'm. Wait a minute. You think I'm the bad guy in this narrow? For robbing a bank? Banks are racist. They are predatory. They pick people's houses. They take people's cars. Banks are terrible. I took from. I'm the hero of this story. You're saying they're racist because the black people are more likely to go bankrupt or some other group or what do you mean? More likely to not even get banked. No more likely to not even get. To get loans. That's just a smart decision. Wait a minute. That's just a. The bank told you I robbed bank. Did you think you were like looking down on me? Like I'm the jerk in the situation? Banks are terrible. I don't think there's anything. I took wrong. And morally wrong with robbing a bank. That's right. But the type of people who do it says something about this. Well, it's the most sophisticated thing. They tell you something that they say about me and they say I'm like Robin Hood. Robin Hood stole from the rich and gave to the poor. I stole from the rich. And then I kept it. But I'm a lot like Robin Hood. But you were poor. So you gave to the devil the hero. Why I kept it for myself? It's a brokerage fee. But you were poor at the time? I was poorer than than I am now. So you tell me. It turned out that it was very lucrative. Yeah. And relatively easy. I gotta tell you. Similarly on that, what was the toughest thing about growing up in a family that sometimes didn't make 100 grand or barely made 100 grand? It was tough. I remember one time that the air conditioner went out. We had to go outside and jump in the swimming pool just to cool off. Wow. It was horrible. It was tough. How long did you get that fixed? This is the plight though. You wonder why I turn out to choose gang life and to have felonies after rob banks. What choice did I have? I was coming up that way. How long did it take for the air conditioner to get fixed? Well, when my dad got home, he had a Makita drill. He fixed it. But there was a good three hours where we had to go float around the water. And he fixed it immediately. Yeah. I feel like that could happen to somebody with a billion dollars, right? Yeah. It could. Unless her dad has a Makita drill. Unless he does or doesn't. Well, if he doesn't, he's going to be in a lot of trouble. He's going to have to go borrow one from a neighbor. Think of how embarrassing that would be. Yeah. I guess. That makes sense. He manages you. What was this guy manage? Fire flooring. If you need some new rugs, he can help. He makes floors go viral. I don't have time to show on YouTube. He can make it go viral. I gotta tell you. I don't want to stare at you and make you uncomfortable. But you're a handsome guy with kind of a weird look. Okay. I hope that is a compliment. I think when I saw you outside, I go, "Oh, that's the guy. That's who I'm coming to see." No, I appreciate it. But yeah, you got something going interesting with the hair. Man, I asked, "How old are you?" I'm 19. Oh, are you? Okay, I told my body. I said, "Hey, I think he's 19." I knew you were 19 when you talked with dominant crews. But I felt like that was a year ago. So I thought maybe you were 20. Then I think I was. I think I was 17 then. But yeah, people tell me I have an interesting look. I look like a real tough fighter. Yeah. It's what people tell me. Somebody not to be messed with. What do you think of dominant? He's smart, isn't he? He's a smart guy. Yeah, he's smart. Yeah. Dominic smart. Dominic smart. Dominic is not socially equipped enough to not call certain things out. So I enjoyed your guys' interview. I thought that he went after you just as much as you went after him, though. I thought you guys were very good together. And following up on the last question, you've made millions of dollars, but you still live in Wesley and Oregon. Yeah. I'm living such a horrible, dangerous place. A top guy is likely to beat him. I think you came out because you were insulting him. Why would you attack somebody asking you that question? Cosmetics. Yeah, I didn't know that. Oh, you did did you find that out yourself? Let me ask you one of the videos. Let me ask you a question. Okay The four of you If this goes bad you Understand I will dismantle all four of you Did you want to try to offend you with the cops? I'm just curious if you knew that sometimes guys don't know that Sometimes guys don't know that they get a little bit froggy and you can get froggy You just can't do it in Oregon. I will take a lot of thing, but I can't take it You would fight us yourself one on four. I would call mantle. No, no, I will I will take the four of you I think that you know that but you know this guy's Are you mad? Are you mad about Kaleeb's behavior? Are you mad about the cost of the conference? This is a this is a disclosure much like I gave to the banks before I had to rob 12 of them. Okay, you Eventually, well, that's probably why you got caught You should be a looser to the big right like there's some people you offer a fight to okay? There's other guys don't offer them a fight because they'll take it But he seems ready to take it. I understand that but I'm just sharing like you're somebody who doesn't really know if The group of you is aware That if I engage him, I'm just gonna assume you're involved I'm not this guy's getting a sidekick. This guy's getting a plate over said. He seems like a nice guy's in ear rings He doesn't have you, okay, right? I just wonder if you knew that Is he okay this guy with the what Kaleeb? Yeah, no, it's a good performance. It just is he all right I think you wanted to fight you does he feel like a fool. Why would he feel like a fool? He just he just challenged you to a fight kind of undefeated hump the carpet for a while and kept saying something that we couldn't Understand I understood it. Well, I understood what he was getting towards That way like like I could go into a club if I wanted to and they go hey your chair like does anyone walk up to him and go You're that guy. They got to say hey your child. No, you know, you're the guy that helped the ground and said one now like Want to hang out probably not probably like a really autistic white dude would recognize him It's like a weird convention and ask for a photo. That's but probably not any women. That's a very that's a very realistic Answer about you. Do you think famous people should paint themselves green when they're in public so nobody notices them? Yeah, that's what I keep saying. I keep trying to say that. Yes, you're not like the most famous person in the world But you're pretty famous for Oregon in Oregon standards, but no, I hear what you're saying Yes, I keep saying they should have to paint themselves green. They shouldn't have to but it seems like a good idea No, they say it should be for yes But then if they have to then it won't work as a trick anymore, right? Well, I know I think it should be mandated if you don't do it and you pass them we should be able to go right up to them And you're saying them if you're not one of them. Yeah, you would have to be green too. Yeah, that's right That just even things out man. I used to go out. I'd have like ripped T shirts on and things like this That was your sportsmanship that was sportsmanship to give the other guys a chance Hey guys, sorry for the eruption have to let you know that today's episode is sponsored by rumble wallers What would you do if your bank told you know the late transfers unexpected limits and frozen accounts? That's where rumble wallah comes in. 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He said the guy is okay to bring as long as it's under 700 Cal Wow. Oh, I see Hmm, I would not suggest you try that It's a lot of the airport, but you just got to check it. You got to check the that's if it's over 700 calories if it's over 700 calories That's right. Yes, or has more than 11. The airplane actually be much safer It's kind of like the school argument with the teachers if everybody had a guy. Yeah, then if there's one terrorist and everybody just starts shooting Shooting fire at each other Everybody will end up safe in the house besides the terrorist. That's exactly how it would go It would be a guess. I mean it would be a get we wouldn't actually know I mean that would be an experiment But in in theory it would seem that if if more people had guns than the guy with the gun definitely loses power I wouldn't understand that but on an airplane. Yeah On an airplane specifically. Yeah, no, I hear you. I don't really get the airplane thing. I got to tell you I If I was on one of those planes, you know, I was a terrible spot But me and my buddy would have taken control back of that plane. You would have stopped 9/11. Yeah, I don't I don't get it You got some poor guys with a box cutter So you all sit down you call home. You know this is the isn't he not have a gun? Did they not have a gun? They just had a box cutter four or five box cutters. Oh, I thought that was just poor guys yelling in a language that wasn't told their They made them pick up a phone and call him. Hey, we're gonna die. We're gonna die. Here's what's gonna happen They knew they were gonna die, but they would rather die in a fiery crash than maybe everybody was just an operative Yeah, they knew that it had to go down Man, there's times you got a man of Not everybody has that in them. No, everybody's very sad. I Know it was a national tragedy for sure for sure By the way, the could be does he come back in at some point in Apologizing Colleib? Yeah, I know Time you were talking shit about his cousin. You say okay, look at his cousin. He got knocked out But you said would you like to enter his guard? I was at a guard? What made that a guard because he was on his back He would have submitted you. I think I understand that but I'm just saying if he had a guard What made it a guy does Sambo I think right? Don't be funnier than me. He does Sambo. I think comma, right? That's good work. That's funny. Three protect you the rest hunt you down Darth Vader terminator. Okay, Punisher Deadpool 10 crocodiles red power engine. Oh Michael Jackson. Very lobster. Well easily Deadpool is the leader of of that bunch to protect you Just he used the top was so what were the three categories? No, the rest three protect you the rest hunt you down Okay, so three to protect me. I definitely want Deadpool protecting me 10 crocodiles. I don't want the crocodiles. I don't like their former communication Ten of them. Yeah, I feel that Darth Vader though would do better with with communication. They'll outnumber him Yeah, I understand that but I just I got to tell you I'm not you know And then I got to be in the water and they sleep a lot and you know they hump their sister I'm not into a crocodile. I don't really want them on my team. You know there's an easy way to defeat them You throw sand into their mouth have you ever seen those videos? No, they can't stand it No, they can't what you take a shovel and you smashed them on the head so they open their mouth Yeah, and you throw sand in their mouth and then they get upset because they know you I want to see a video kind of insulted them Okay, but then what happens like like they're doing one of these thing Like they're trying to get the sand out of their mouth or at poisons and like why does that stop them? It's disrespectful. Then they leave. Yeah, it's disrespectful as hell to throw sand and allocator's mouth I shovel worth a sand. Yeah, two pounds of sand Can I tell you something that happened to me last night and I am so disappointed? I'm going to send in your mouth worse much worse shit The lion is not the king of the jungle as a matter of fact it is believed in arguments that a tiger would kill a lion How disappointed is that it's argued that a pack of wolves would kill a lion? I think you're trying to just insult Tito because didn't he say that whole thing where he's the king of the jungle He's like a lion or something. Yeah, man. I'm a really trying to sneak it in there. I know what you're doing No, but I'm in it. I'm from Westland. Hi, he's the king of the jungle Well, but I'm just sharing he can be the king of the jungle But I am not disrespecting a lion. I thought the lion was king. I truly am. We are the lions But yeah found out all sorts of things could be a lion. It's very disappointing. He's a racist to not have a black mother That's brilliant. Did John get it? Did Kiriako get asked these things much worse? We had him we had him hurt somebody Did he really you asked him these things? Yes, you don't respect him because he was in the CIA you asked him these things This isn't disrespectful. This is very interesting questions that you wouldn't be asked anywhere else. Yeah, okay All right, you're giving him much more interesting thought provoking experience. Okay, but hold on as opposed to like talking to I don't know Ariel Halloween or something you really did ask Kiriako that kind of a question. I thought you said you watched it I watched some of the video. I didn't see the entire the entire piece I watched one minute you would know that I asked him stuff just as Okay, is it racist to not have a block my black mother? I'm gonna say no But if she's made of blocks like you just said blocks to have a block mother. Yeah, uh, no I'm gonna say no and can I tell you why that would be pretty cool though. Yeah, I'm gonna assemble her like a Lego. Yeah That'd be nice to be a mortal take her down. Yeah, be helping. He's not really succeeding It's kind of taking him a long time. Oh, are you working on a block mother? If you're doing good, what's this? Can I see this? I don't want to break it. Is that a spider one two three four five six I think that's his mother. I think it's a spider. No, I believe that's his mother. What's got eyes in a mouth and an eight Legs arms finish what you're saying No, I will tell you why that though, I will justify this particular argument. I will justify it because when I was growing up, now you're too young for this, but when I was growing up, it was never racist. There was an option. You were racist or ignorant, but they would always put them together. Never ever ever would you go. He's a racist. They would say he's a racist or his ignorant because a lot of times it was just a guy that was ignorant where the guy goes, oh, I hadn't thought about it like that. Okay. I don't have that stance. I don't know what it was, but both of those were tied in to another word, which was prejudice. I would grift his ignorant, which was to mint pre-judge. So you were not, when I was growing up, you were not called a racist unless the way out was ignorance, but it all was to lead to prejudice, which is to pre-judge. So if you did not pre-judge somebody, which I don't think you would pre-judge your mother, whether or not she was black. So I'm going to say no. Well, we're not asking, we're not asking, what a brilliant answer. We're not asking if your mother would be racist for not being black. Right. Would you be racist? If she's not black. Yeah. That was the question. And I'm saying no, the answer is no, because I would not have pre-judged that. I give a very sophisticated answer. That was pretty good answer. That wasn't bad. You know, it wasn't bad. I should have saved that for somebody else. I'm trolling a troll. Like, this is a hard role that I'm in, right? This is a hard. Well, no. I feel like I'm doing the dance. Yeah. I don't want you to come out here for nothing. We're doing the dance. Yes. A powerful set. This is like the set that a poor man would have. Are these sheets? Like from your poor man? A poor man? Yeah, like a poor man? A poor man? Is this cause to get up? No. I had to get the biggest piece of shit building to fit this inside of everyone. People think this is a low quality thing. I had to make sure there's like how long, all the white lights. All right. How long do they stay? Do you make good money doing this? He makes good money from me doing this. He's rich. All right. Would you be upset if you turn into a burger? Yeah, I'd be furious. No, you wouldn't. Yes, I would. It's a trick question. Somebody would eat me. You wouldn't be upset. You know what happens after they eat you? Like, you know, ultimately you're asking me if I turn into somebody's, no, I don't want to be a burger. You're wrong, though. I'm a gangster. No. Yeah, I would be upset. No, you wouldn't. Why? How would you be upset? You're a burger. It's a trick. Yeah. I guess there's no brain. So I wouldn't know you're saying. All right. Fine. But why wouldn't you know? If you turn into a burger, I'm assuming you say that's some sort of conscious thing. So you would be upset then probably. I would be upset if I knew I was going to turn into a burger. Yes. I would say I don't want to turn into a burger. No, you turned into one. I didn't ask if you knew you were going to. That makes it easier to know you'd be upset. Yes. And I wouldn't have the ability to be upset fine. Fine. But because I'm asking, obviously, assuming, I mean, it's a stupid question. Otherwise, it would be a trick to ask it the other way. Yeah. Yeah. I'm still going with no. All right. I'm still going with yes. Yes, I would be upset. But you wouldn't be because you wouldn't tell me. How would you know what old chair would be? Wouldn't I be the final saying this? I say I would be upset. That's it. Oh, that's not how that works at all. Why? You could have a say. It would just be wrong because you would be a burger. By the way, you wouldn't have a say at that point. Otherwise, I'm sure you'd be upset. Maybe you'd be happy. I don't want to make a thing about this. But I came in and I asked for something to drink. Yeah. Do you not have Coke? Is there no Coca-Cola back here? You don't have Mountain Dew? We're healthy. You went to the store and you bought water. But the water is in a faucet. You don't have to buy water. That's a professional fighter. But they-- It is physique. But a bottle of water. Yeah. Just get a cup and get it out of the sink. Why would you buy water? It'll make you gay to drink it out of the sink. A plastic bottle. No, that'll change from-- That'll change from-- That'll change from-- That'll change from-- That'll change from-- All right. How would you know? It happened before. They did test on it. No, because it happened before. That's good. All right. Professor Alex. You familiar with his work? No. He's down in Austin, I believe. Truly? Yes. What's his last name? Jones. Is it true that you don't have to pay your lawyer if they go missing? Well, I will tell you this, and you might find this funny. You do not ever have to pay a lawyer. You don't have to ever pay anybody. I'm sure a lawyer would be really excited to hear that. A lawyer is the one that told my friend this. Now, this is disappointing. I looked down on my friend. My friend is totally wrong. But my friend was in this thing. It was in dispute with his manager, MMA fighter. Very famous MMA fighter. Keep his name out of it. So he goes for the lawyer. Initial letter and the last initial letter. And the ones in between. You'll want this point. Okay. The lawyer tells my friend, because my friend owes the money. He's like, look, we got to kind of trade. You got to deal. You shook his hand. Your words good or not. And my friend goes, but what if? What if I just don't pay him? And so the lawyer's going, okay, so you're going to be wrong. You're willing to be wrong. My friend goes, yeah, but what if? What happens? The lawyer goes, well, you don't have to pay your bills in America. It is not a crime anywhere to not pay a bill. My friend, because of that speech, didn't pay the lawyer. Step the lawyer. When the lawyer came after the money, he goes, hey, you told me yourself, I don't have to pay bills. Did he end up having to pay him? No, he stiffed him. He stiffed him. And then the lawyer lived in some other state. So and my friend had learned like about putting leans and property leans, and so the lawyer wasn't qualified to do it. No, he stiffed him. He said him a bill. I didn't. I didn't spend my time getting a loan from the bank. Hey. But the bank doesn't have any money anymore. He told me this story, and then a couple of years later, tried to borrow money from me. He's like, I can't borrow money to a guy that bragged about not paying money back. Why didn't the lawyer just ask to borrow money from him and then do the same-- Sure. Sure. Maybe that was a little too obvious. Yeah. How many dogs do you think you would be able to defeat at once? Oh. Assuming, obviously, this is like a fight, like a sanctioned fight. Yeah. Yeah, I understand that. They used to do this with guerrillas. This came out like a year ago, a person versus a hundred guerrillas or somebody-- No, it was a hundred people versus a guerrilla. But I think the number was more like, you only need like, I think, between 10 and 30 people to defeat a guerrilla. I'd want to be first. All these guys said they'd sit and they'd lay back and wait till the guerrilla was tired. I'd jump on that guerrilla, man. I'd jump up his ass. He would have done a damn thing. I think actually, even if you had 40 people and you only need a 30, if somebody like you immediately jumped at the guerrilla, that would probably completely destroy the odds that would be in the favor of the humans versus the guerrilla, because the guerrilla would rip you in half and then everybody would be horrified. I watched the guerrilla fight a wolf yesterday, a pack of wolves, and the guerrilla had a very hard time. Ultimately, he got tired, but the fight got called off, but he had a hold of a wolf like they say that a guerrilla grabbed him and he'll just pull you apart and say, well, he was pulling on this wolf and nothing happened. I can tell you that. Then he started bashing him on the ground and the wolf jumped up and ran away repeatedly. It was like five different times, this guerrilla, and he was, I don't know, man. I don't know. I got a tell with that guerrilla's ass. Do you remember when this was going around? I'm sure you're famous enough as a fighter to get that to happen somewhere in the world if you really want to try it out. I'll fight the guerrilla. They used to have this thing called bingo, the wrestling bear. It was at a bar and it's still water, Oklahoma, and $500 to pin bingo the wrestling bear. My coach, Mark Schultz, not only pinned the bear, he choked the bear out. Mark Schultz choked that bear out and the bear let out a grown on the mark, turned him over and pinned him and they refused to pay him. The bar owner didn't have the money. He didn't think anyone was going to pay him. What was the IMDB rating? They went videoed. This was like in-house only, but there was enough people to spread the radio. I thought you meant this was like an episode of the show. Bingo, the wrestling bear. He was a real bear. They brought him in. They put like a muzzle on him and they like covered his hands. Then you could go out there and wrestle him. Mark Schultz was the Olympic champion. If you're lying and you're making this up on the spot, this is actually very impressive. I could not make stuff like this. No, this is real. This is real. Mark Schultz is one of these guys that I look up to. He was the Olympic champion. His brother is very famous. His name was Dave Schultz. He got killed by the billionaire John Dupont. I don't know if you remember that. John Dupont murdered a guy and then went and hit in his house. But John Dupont had a tank and he had trained the snipers for the very pleased department that's like trying to get him. So they were all scared. They all stayed outside the house. They thought like Dupont was going to pick him off. It turned out Dupont was crazy and had no idea they were even out there. But anyway, this is all Schultz and he pinned Bingo the wrestling baron. I'm only share with you. If Mark Schultz can choke a bear out, me and 100 of my friends will whip that gorilla's ass. Yeah, but you said the bear had a muzzle on anything. It changes the story a little bit, right? Yeah. Because it was not a fight to the death. But either way, if there was a position, because everybody just argues it's the strength, the strength of the gorilla. St. Pierre went out and saw these things and the swordback gorilla. I kicked that silverback gorilla right in his nuts, I'll poke his eyes out. I would kill that gorilla. I would kill the gorilla. I would, if I can get 1% of the money, this generates unlike, yeah, whatever the, I don't know what the website's called, where they show horrible videos. Sure. I will help set this up. And you could definitely do this somewhere in Russia or like China, something like that. What is that? What is that? Oh, **** is a ****. All right, so again, this is, this came out about two years before you were born. It was just actual where people run around and had videos of people to **** and then they put it together into a, a movie, but it was real like a guy stepped in front of a train and this guy got hit by a bus, you know, security cameras picked it up. It was, it was real. It was actual **** and they filmed it and put it, I never would have watched, had I known what I was getting into, I mean, it warped me for life and this is well over 30 years ago, right at 30 years ago, uh, ****s of **** and they put out like three of them and then the government even came in and banned them. You can't find this movie anymore. There used to be movie stores. You're also too young to know that, but they pulled them off the shelf. It was, it was, they put these physical discs like blockbusters, yeah, that's exactly what I was going to say blockbuster. I didn't know if you would remember. Yes, 100%. I think that was around, right around when I was born, probably for a couple of years later. And this is before Netflix. This is before streaming. This is before no matter what you hit you. Well, now you can for sure, I'm sure all of those compilations are just online. They're probably on Twitter right now. Yeah. You're probably right. You know, I'm probably pay you to watch it. Yeah, it's hard to hide that stuff. Have you met him? You don't know But uh, I respect him, you know for somebody so I believe it's very impressive how good he is at playing video games It's unbelievable. It's unbelievable. That man is a lot of time in terms of And by the way, who thought that he would be a culture warrior for the U.S. You've got a guy from South Africa You actually are being serious. Oh, I've been blown away I've blown away by him and one thing about him when he breaks things down and he was doing this with rockets many years ago But he was beating NASA and he was beating NASA badly and it was just the way that he broke it down Like what some of those metals and things cost? We're so high that if you didn't have government funding you're just gonna do it and Elon cut all those prices by a third And they're saying how how are you getting people to sell to you and Elon goes who's gonna buy from them? These guys don't control the market. I don't know if I even good this is more impressive than Becoming the greatest player at Diablo. Do you know how hard that is to do? Yeah A lot of time I mentioned a video game to you you started threatening to hurt everybody in the building for whatever reason I was just sharing by which we become the greatest player in the world things about each other I thought you should know I have a 38 in my boot that's the whole reason I wear a boot I thought you should know that I have a switch But I just thought that you should know this. I wasn't threatening you with it. I was letting you know Why would you need a switchblade to deal with with us? I feel like you don't need that really that's exactly right That's exactly right and see that's where things get ugly That's the problem when somebody makes that reach right is like my father told me you don't ever pull it Unless you're ready to kill a guy and I've never been ready. I don't want it. I don't want to hurt anybody Right This guy's got some silverware and this guy's playing like he's got you know, it's a thing I just I didn't know what I was walking into him just letting you know you're in the presence of a gangster. You should know that You don't have to deal with where you should know that with your hands Hey, hey, hold on you got to hear this. You know arm-on-siruchin. Yeah. Okay. Do you know Sneako? Yeah, you do I got both on my show. Okay. I don't know how this came about somewhere Arm-on just starts giving advice to Sneako about getting girls And Arm-on tells them because they read like a Starbucks and Sneako got like you know something with with apple cider and matcha And then he was like sprinkles on top with some whipped whatever was and Arm-on told him if you ever with a girl You get coffee black or you get two shots of espresso black no matcha no no sprinkles like he says it like this like he's just no Matcha and then he tells him when it's time to order you order meat No sides when the meat comes Medium rare and when it comes you eat with hands and Sneako. I just want to say real quick I like how you're confusing Sneako for another guy because they're both brown and you probably don't even know The other guy is cuz this wasn't just Sneako. I had the foggest idea. Yeah. I'm pretty sure it neon his name's neon. Okay. I like how you confused Yeah easily confused one word. Okay, so neon then says, you know like I can do it like hey Thanks for the vice arm and I can do I'd get the steak medium well And Arm-on says no meet him rare and Sneako's well But I like it medium well and Arm-on slams his hand down and goes it does not matter what you like This is to impress girl or you're never gonna get girl It was one of the great things that has ever been picked up on a live stream And if Arm-on-Sirukian would just please please Do a little segment each week of giving guys advice on how to get a girl I'm telling it was one of the great things I've seen if you were to fight long neck Why would be the most effective move considering he's a black belt in boxing yeah I saw him yeah Consider that well, it's a long neck, but he it's a muscular neck by the way. No, it's not I thought man, I felt like he has absolutely no muscle let a load on his neck on his whole body a little bit of traps right here I thought he looked like he had it. I thought like he looked like he secretly had a strong neck I really I really didn't think that but what would the best way to beat him be probably just get a hold of him Get a hold of him when he's a black belt in boxing. Yes. Well, that's what I'm saying. Let him use a little of his energy squirm around Um, those boxers they they they tend to think twice. Yeah, you know Sometimes you got it you got to do something to give a guy a little motivation to see your way. Just grab a hold of him Don't need to worry. Well, that's it. We have to By the way, were you nervous? Are you gonna edit that out? You know the pro life? Yeah No, I said that I'm very scared to put that out. I'm pro uh I've talked about it actually a bunch. I'm pro eugenics. Sure We had this which is sort of pro life if you think about it But like not not pro eugenics in the way that less people choose it like pro like government forced you Forcing I guess people like your wife to have children All right, all right. I get it. I get it I I will tell you this We just had right here in Oregon and we have some things that are just confusing where you'll hear somebody's politics And you know, just turn your head to the side and think what like it'll be it'll be so out there It's hard to respond to but we just had a thing in Oregon. I mean we j- j- j- three weeks ago And they were gonna ban all hunting and fishing and one thing that we're we're very proud of in the northwest is Our ability to hunt and fish, right? I mean we've got the oceans. We've got the forest We got another few mountains that you can go ski on we have a little bit of everything gate great campgrounds and hiking very low crime Like there's things that we're proud of sounds like a horrible dangerous place. Yeah, but that's one of our our things though Like you know if you're in the northwest, you know that that's one of the things you can go out and catch your own Supper that night at any rate. Okay, so they they try to pass this thing to where you couldn't do that anymore It's just bad for the fish. I hate this poor fish has to die or this this deer has to die And but we are one of the most pro-choice states in America and I've never understood how you reconciled that how do you Save the fish and justify killing the baby if I was to play the contrarian I feel like there's a really easy answer. Please tell me I would genuinely like to hear and I'm not afraid to be wrong Tell me something because they're transgender Keep going help me out. That's the answer About it. I'm trying. I'm trying. I can't tell if you because I I would I've asked them on the streets They were taking petitions and I stopped and excuse me. I'm not trying to start an argument How do you reconcile these two things and it was stunning to me now you'll get a guy like me that's extremely pro-life But for the death penalty so I get that there's sometimes there's contrarian views But that one is that one is always stumped me. Okay. Well, that's it. We have to film with Lognec now He's the next guest. Is he here today? Yeah, I'd love to meet long now. I'm out to Wesleyan. I mean after the show You can show him around maybe give him some training. How are we gonna do was the show good? I want to do big numbers I'm senior I think that was a billion. Are we gonna do a million a billion? Do we have enough hot spots? Do we get enough stuff in here? I mean, I'll fight could be but if it helps if it helps with the radius Can bring you back out if you'll fight. Yeah, I will fight him if it helps with the ratings if it's good for ratings Me it could be forget. Please bring out Khalib Mananov You're saying his name wrong What is it Khalib Mananov or something? We're saying the same thing. No You said Khalib and I'm saying Khalib it's basically the same thing I think you're getting it wrong. All right. Can we get out Khalib, please? Khalib, we got to make sure that we get enough ratings here because we're in competition with perhaps Alex Jones So if you could just go down All right, you asked me do I want to know the answers? Yes, I want to know I was thinking okay, that's good. That's good. Yes Yes, no, what do we do? What do we do if we get the submission to like do you know enough about this to To to town

Podcast Summary

Key Points:

  1. Chale Sonnen, a former MMA fighter and gangster, shares a personal story of being deeply hurt by a public insult from Tito, who said "I hate you," a moment he found extremely offensive despite believing Tito may have been joking.
  2. Sonnen reflects on his upbringing, family struggles, and the influence of his background in shaping his life choices, including his path into gang activity and bank robbery, which he frames as a response to systemic racism and economic hardship.
  3. He expresses strong pro-life beliefs, criticizes the idea of forced eugenics, and discusses contradictions in public policy—such as hunting and fishing bans—while advocating for a balance between life preservation and personal freedom.

Summary:

Chale Sonnen, a former mixed martial arts champion and self-identified gangster, opens up about a deeply personal incident where he felt publicly insulted by Tito, who said “I hate you” during a live event—something Sonnen finds deeply hurtful, especially given his upbringing where the word "hate" was considered taboo. He connects this moment to his own life story, explaining how growing up in poverty and experiencing systemic neglect—such as a broken air conditioner forcing his family to swim for cooling—shaped his path, including his involvement in gang life and bank robberies, which he defends as a reaction to financial exploitation and racism. Sonnen emphasizes his strong pro-life values, criticizing forced eugenics and questioning the contradictions in policies like bans on hunting and fishing, which he sees as conflicting with individual freedoms.

He also shares insights on Brazilian culture, noting food like Koshina and the perceived laziness of some men, while reflecting on his time in Israel and a bomb shelter experience. He discusses his views on violence, humor, and the importance of personal agency, including a playful but serious debate over whether he’d be upset if turned into a burger. The conversation ends with Sonnen expressing interest in future collaboration and fighting challenges, highlighting his blend of toughness, humor, and deep personal conviction.

The episode is rich with self-reflection, cultural commentary, and philosophical debate, reflecting on identity, justice, and the complexities of life in marginalized communities.

FAQs

Chale Sonnen recalled that Tito said 'I hate you' during a live event, which deeply hurt him. He emphasized that the comment was not just trash talk but a sincere statement, and he believes it may have been unintentionally offensive, especially given how sensitive the word 'hate' is in his upbringing.

No, Chale Sonnen has not been formally accused of malice. However, he was briefly accused of a 'crotch lift' move during a wrestling session with Lenny, which he defended as a training technique meant to help Lenny improve, not to harm.

He highlights the delicious deep-fried food called Koshina, the beauty of Brazilian women, and the perceived laziness of some men who have babies and don't go to work. He also notes the country's strong value on life in some areas, though he finds the behavior of some men troubling.

Chale Sonnen believes he is far more dangerous now than current UFC fighters due to his improved physical condition and experience. He says he would draw a gun and threaten them on the street, making it clear he would not back down.

Yes, he believes banks are predatory and racist, especially toward Black communities, as they often deny loans or take loans from poorer individuals. He claims that he robbed banks not as a criminal act, but as a form of protest against financial injustice.

He is pro-life and believes in the value of human life, but acknowledges the difficulty in reconciling this with practices like hunting or fishing, which involve the death of animals. He sees these as separate from the moral issue of human life and values.

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