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And it is met with some fanfares, some controversy and a top five Alabama. So many different things to get into. For those who might have missed it, Miami is your one. Georgia is your two. Those are things that are pretty consistent with the other rankings we've been talking about. You saw at three Indiana up at four and yes, the Alabama Crimson Todd checking in at number five. Things that might be notable to those who are checking out or just joining us now. Notre Dame. Hello. You are down there at number 11. That is a bit lower than some of might have expected Ohio State down at number 12. Something that is very unfamiliar. Of the college football playoff era has included Ohio State as a top 10 team. Let's begin with the Alabama of it all Danny. We were just discussing it a little bit. The back end of the rankings and even some decisions throughout the top 25 suggests that we're looking for the quality wins is Alabama's win against Kentucky. The most important win in the eyes of the selection committee because right now it looks like it might be. Not in a close loss to Georgia, which is good, but it's hard to figure out what their valuing here. I'll tell you one thing they do value is SEC logos. It took three years of the SEC not even making the national championship games and there was a massive PR campaign to talk about strength of schedule and nine games in the conference. Oh my gosh. Even though the big 10's already been doing it, even though the big 12's already done it, just was going to be different, everybody gets an extra loss and clearly they don't care about losing because UCLA is undefeated in the big 10 and has two two loss SEC teams in front of it in Alabama and Texas. What's crazy. I mean, these are the first rankings. They're going to get completely shaken up on Saturday because all these teams are playing each other. But for me, like Alabama's in the top five, Alabama has played four ranked teams and it's only one half of those games. Yeah, two and two in those games. And it's like, I feel like if you're one of the five best teams in the country, you should be better than two and two against the top 25 teams in the country unless all your losses are two, you know, other top five, like the top four. If you went two and two against top four, okay, I just, yeah, I'm trying to find the through line because as we were, if you didn't join us and live before we went, you know, on this part of the show with the rankings fully out, like early on, we thought it was clearly all strength of schedule because we saw all the three lost teams and we thought they were valuing, you know, playing, playing good teams and the results are the results, but you tried. Damn it. That's what matters. Well, like South Carolina and Oregon are kind of the tells or Florida with the win against Texas. Like all those teams have multiple wins against other teams that the committee likes. But then as you get going, you see, like Notre Dame's at 11, BYU's at nine, UCLA's at eight, so you're saying, okay, they are clearly saying wins and losses are great, but you haven't really beaten anybody valuable yet. So you're getting punished for it. But then Miami's number one and Georgia is number two and I mean, it's like Miami's best win is Wake Forest. Who they clearly like, but they don't like that much because they got him at what, 16. Right next to Houston, who is Utah's win? Yeah, so I don't know what the hell they were doing. That's what I'm trying to figure out because typically I don't really care what the rankings are because they're going to change. I like the first rankings just because it gives us an idea of how they're thinking. I can't figure it out. Do the committee, do they think Sabin is still coaching at Alabama? No, because Gus Malzahn and Mark Dayton are in there and if anybody's going to be intimately aware of where does have an office there still, maybe that's what it is. Yeah, if anybody's going to be intimately aware of where Nick Sabin is at all times is Gus Malzahn. I think that we saw that with Florida State's win against Alabama last year. Gus Malzahn's Nick Sabin radar is perfectly dialed in, so I think that the Alabama ahead of Kentucky came down to a wonky result that came out of process. That the same kind of wonky results that we saw with the clustering last year out of the process that they used to rank these teams, that that must have happened because Alabama to be so far ahead of Tennessee when Alabama looked woeful and non-competitive at Tennessee recently, but then that win against Kentucky, which was a while ago, is still able to prop them up all the way until getting them up into the top five. They must have gotten caught in clusters in a way that just committee kept doing the head to head and kept bumping them up along the way, so I just, I would think that this is maybe a wonky result out of the process and like you said, maybe something that's going to get all played out anyway on the field in the next couple of weeks. I know we don't all look perfect on TV, but how does the committee somehow, every year, and it's the same. It's how do they find somebody who looks the most uncomfortable on TV talking about college football to be their spokesman? It always has, and it's happened from day one, like it's like, let's see who can fumble and bumble the most so we can really get irritated. I want to go, here's a, in the vibe check, I put my projection for what this week was going to be. So I had Miami one in Georgia, too, which they did, and again, I want to point out before Miami fans start yelling at me, I'm not saying you don't deserve to be number one, I'm saying the fact that your number one compared to the logic, the committee seem to be using with the rest of the ranking that they put out doesn't make any sense to me. Number three, I had Notre Dame, number four at Indiana, five I had Utah, six UCLA, BYU, Kentucky, Bama at nine, Texas at 10, I had Ohio State at 11, and it'll miss at 12. Just way off. But again, I was using the logic that I figured they'd been using forever. And new blood, you know, I mean, they start out every single committee member makes a top 25. They all get submitted into a big pool, like that makes up the word bubble, and then they start to go bit by bit, and I think that there just must have been something about the Alabama win against Kentucky that makes it the best win ever. Think about what you're saying. Yeah, Alabama's 45 to 17 win seems in the eyes of this selection committee to be the best win of the college football season. You know, sometimes you worry about losses, like, you know, I believe that, you know, it's hard to come and overcome a bad loss, and it wasn't close against Tennessee. They obviously don't have a problem with that loss. I mean, again, Tennessee is one of their top 15 teams, so it's not that bad. One and two in the last three weeks, too. So we're not taking recent form into consideration, really sending a message that every week counts. I mean, they told us an expanded playoff would dilute the regular season, but this committee is showing you what happens in week two, that can be the most significant thing that happens all year. Like, it's a 28 point home loss to Alabama, okay? And they had the 10 point road win. And again, I just, I'm not, I'm not insulting any of these teams. They're all good teams. I'm not bothered with them being ranked. I'm just trying to figure out the logic behind it because it's a 28 point home loss to Alabama. You had the win on the road against Texas and which at the time seemed like a big deal because even though we all thought Texas and M was overrated, we didn't think it was overrated to the point of losing a tent by tent at home to Kentucky. You have the South Carolina one point win on a two point conversion and over time. South Carolina, they have ranked to what 23rd, you have a one point win over LSU and then Oklahoma and Vanderbilt. So it's like the Texas and M win now really means nothing. So really, you've got a one point win over South Carolina, a one point win over LSU and a 28 point home loss to Alabama. That gets you 6th, but beating Kentucky by 28 with two losses gets you 5th. But I mean, if you do have the South Carolina's the top 25 win to their top 25, you start adding those surprise techs and M is a ranked. I'm not just throwing them in there too. (laughing) No, at least Oklahoma beat Texas. If you're gonna go find a team that you're gonna throw in irresponsibly, at least the sooners have that victory against the Longhorns. - Like Kentucky, if you look at strength of record from FPI or power metric, they're second. Okay, so I'm not judging that Kentucky's high. It's just Alabama's eighth, Georgia's sixth. You know, it's like what, I don't know what they're doing. I don't know what they're using. I don't know what their focal point is. If it's game control, Kentucky's 19th. Shhh. I'm looking at the FPI, they have Alabama six, but they also have LSU five. Kentucky's 26th at FPI. - Yeah, so I had coming into the day where was it? There were a couple of teams that I was thinking it'll be an interesting declaration of the way that they think about these teams. Kentucky top five strength of record, but top 30 power rating. UCLA top five strength of record, top 30 power rating. How did they declare that with their rankings right here? Well, they did. They told us that Kentucky's up there at number six. UCLA's up there at number eight. Kentucky's seven and one UCLA at eight and oh. Ohio State top 10 strength of record, top five power rating. They end up at 12 Notre Dame top 15 strength of record, top five power rating. They end up getting the the short straw there also at 11. I thought LSU was interesting. Top 20 strength of record, but top five on the power rating. LSU not getting the same kind of SEC respect that some of the other SEC teams are getting. That feels inconsistent. - Yeah, I mean, if you look at LSU's resume, they have a 41 point win over Clemson, which, you know. - They don't care about the AC. - They don't care about that. They lost at eight to Ole Miss. They lost to Kentucky. I think, you know what this is, it's the fact that they don't have a really good win. Now, they're playing number five Alabama this week. - But Tennessee's got to win against Alabama. That didn't help Tennessee. - I know, but what's wrong with Tennessee? Well, Tennessee's problem is that it has a terrible three point loss to Texas and a terrible three point loss to South Carolina. Oh, wait, no, both of those teams are ranked and they're close losses. - It's not like they have a 28 point loss on their resume. - Alabama Tennessee is the Miami Notre Dame of 2026. - They must not be in the same quadrant. - Yeah, the cluster. They're not in the same cluster. And just wait, we'll get down to the last week of the regular season. And it's gonna be Alabama and Tennessee. We're gonna do it again. I mean, was it the last year the 14 playoff was the Florida State snub, the last year of a four, but last year of the last year of the BCS was pretty clean though it required the kick six to be able to provide Auburn, you know, as the representative there before the Tigers lost the Florida State. But I wouldn't be surprised if we've got another strange where they were on the first committee rankings versus where they are at the end. This year's version of Miami Notre Dame very well could be Alabama, Tennessee. - This committee sucks. I think it might be the worst one I've seen. Like I'm not joking. - I've come to that conclusion, they suck. Chip, you can sit there, you can defend them, all you want, you can talk about their integrity, you can talk about them putting their hat at the door, you can talk about Mark Dantonio and Gus Mills on and how you know that they have got their eyes straight and all that kind of stuff. But this committee sucks. - And you might only have to use the Alabama, Tennessee argument. 'Cause there is no logical consistency to this. You can't have Alabama where it is and then Tennessee where it is. - Carla Williams has done too much for college athletics, you know, to have her name drug through the mud like this. And Wesley Walsh, do I think Wesley Walsh might be leaning a little SEC? Absolutely, you know, we are all our biases and as a standout for Ole Miss and certainly a treasured piece of Carolina Panther's history in the Carolinas. Like maybe South Carolina's gonna get a little bit more love there, but yeah, when I, I mean, can we show them putting their hats on at the door? Like can we show them leaving their hats at the door? I mean, this kind of, you know, commitment to the process. We'll lead to some wonky results. But you know what the good news guys is? This isn't the final one, right? We're just getting more done. - I don't think this group of people deserves to get a second chance. I think we need to overhaul the entire committee this week. I think we need to bring in 12 new people. - Listen, no one judges a golfer by the first couple of range balls, all right? You know, you still gotta get out there and do the ones that count. - You know, I don't even, I don't want new people. Just give me 12 computers. Give me 12 computers. - Oh, here we go. - The computer will tell you and then the computer, at least the computer will follow a formula. At least there will be a logic. You know what you're doing. Look at the NCAA tournament. Every team goes into the season knowing what they have to do to get into the field. - But it's still humans who make the selections. - Yes, but there's also a quad one. There's a formula. All the coaches know what they schedule to it. How do the best way to give your team a chance? You still have to win the games, but the way to get your team the best chance of getting into the field, they know how to do it. The coaches these days have no idea. Wanna talk about scheduling? Wanna talk about getting these teams to play these big games? Put together a format that tells these coaches, you schedule these games and increases your odds of getting in. - Chat CFP. - That's what we need to do, chat CFP, that's good. - That's all, that's all. - Can we learn anything definitively from this, meaning Notre Dame is out at 10 and two. UCLA is out at 10 and two with where they are. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - Well, UCLA could. - No, how about this, I'm not ready to do the UCLA thing because UCLA has not lost yet. - Right, but they're down pretty low. - But there will be a new judgment if UCLA loses on where they fall after that one loss. I think Notre Dame is a far more easy prediction to call because they've already got one loss and they're playing Miami this weekend. It feels like the easiest either or out of this particular rankings. - I don't think it's a guarantee that Notre Dame is out if they lose this. - I would agree. I mean, the thing about a 12 team playoff has got to find 12 teams. - And there's four weeks of games left, so a lot of teams will lose. - And a lot of these teams are still going to be playing each other. And I think you could see a scenario where there are so many nine and three and eight and four teams just from beating the hell out of each other that Notre Dame slips in at 10 and two. - I don't have audio on. - Are you all ready to hear this one? - Oh boy. - Restavist asked Hunter Yurichek, the college football playoff committee chair. What's the deal with Indiana at number four in Ohio State at number 12 in Ohio State at one? Quote, we never got to a point when we were comparing Indiana and Ohio State. - It's the clusters. - The clusters. This is a stupid process. - That's fair. Hey, hey, look. That you get, Tom, do you know what else is? - What? - No, excuse me, not stupid. But it's like, it's bureaucracy, right? And what a knight to talk about bureaucracy, right? It is just, they built a system and the difference is it wasn't the system established by the Constitution. It was the system established by conference commissioners in 2013 for a system that just went into place in 2014, which is why it's been so easy to undo and reboot the college football playoff in the postseason in general. It's 'cause none of it has permanence. None of it has been established with any kind of foresight. Everything has been reactionary and everything has been whatever would fit in the box in the moment. And the second that the sport changes, do you know what's not ready to keep up the system? So they built the box, they're rolling through with it. And if this cluster's leads to another disaster, all they're gonna say is like, oh, well, it doesn't matter because guess what? Well, it's 24. And then it just becomes arguments about seating. - Then they're gonna use the clusters for that too. Like the point of these rankings is to figure out the 12 best teams and put them into a field. But you don't even compare the teams that you have in that 12 team field to one another because they're not close enough. Because you're too lazy to look at more than, 'cause your screen not fit more than four teams at a time. So that way we can only do clusters of four. Should we not be comparing every single team in the country to every other single team in the country to figure out which one's better? This is a dumb process. It's a stupid process. And it is a faulty process. So again, fire the committee, spring in the computers. We don't need the stupid TV show every week. - How many games? I'm trying to think of the different theories we could have come up with because just to kind of echo what Kirk Farrant said today is press conference. See what Kirk Farrant said today? I mean Miami was on national television a lot. Wake Forest was not. How many games do you think the committee has seen of Wake Forest? Maybe the Miami game? Yeah, none of the four of the Miami game. No. - What week was the Miami game? - It was a Friday night. they weren't watching. Oh, they weren't watching that they were busy doing their thing before their teams were playing. They were like at their, you know, their booster meetings or at their whatever. Yeah. Utah we just saw they weren't what was time was that Houston game? That was late. So I'm not seeing that once that goes that theory, but they've seen a lot of these other teams littered throughout the top 12 on national television. Got Kirk was great. That was awesome. And he's not wrong. I mean, what's the world's here? He's still going on. I mean, come on. He's I didn't know Gert was such a big one world majorly baseball fan. Yeah. I mean, he's in the right demographic. Yeah. Tom, he crushed it. He goes, I'm just figuring I'm not going to keep doing like a Kirk face, but like he said, I'm just figuring this out. ESPN only promotes the sports it has. I'm sitting here and I'm watching. And I'm like, isn't the world series still going on? I'm looking for the world series. I can't find it anywhere. And he's like, Oh, the world sees on Fox and we like Fox, right? And he looks around and he almost like checks the room real quick, make sure there's like no one who's going to push the button on him. Yeah. And he's like, no, we're good with Fox, you know, but yeah. Seems like they're only talking about the teams and the sports that they have. Wow. I mean, what was I texting you last night, chip? That's what I thought about that floor to Miami game. Yeah. You know, it's college basketball season when you're watching a game on ESPN and they talk about the SEC team like it's a home game and they they casually mentioned the other team in passing from time to time. To be fair, Florida is one is one of the teams of this season. Miami was ranked two. Yeah, but by anything about that team, they didn't know anything. Miami, they could tell you what the guy at Florida was majoring in and what his sister's name was. They didn't know the names of the Miami players. Miami is at the top of a pile to be up at 14. Florida is along with Duke and you're fighting a line. I as one of the teams of the season. So happy college basketball. Happy Thanksgiving. All right, Pete, check them out. Is there any chance? Hold on, hold on. I'm going to a little loopy. So let's do this. Is there any chance? Undertaker me that Oregon's playoff hopes just came back alive. Check it into 23 something we kind of joked about in the group chat. I mean, they do like the big brands if they went out. They're going to come close. Miami, I just looked it up. Miami was 18th in the first to play off rankings at this time last year. 23 18 is the low mark. 23 and 18. Ain't that ain't that big of a gap. Oregon wins out. They're going to be right back in this thing. Very, very over over over 11 and one wake. Yeah. Well, coming up on the other side, I look ahead to week 10. Now that we know these college football playoff rankings and stakes and more next. Hi, I'm Tony DeCouple and as anchor of the CBS evening news, I'm filled with endless curiosity about our world and our society. Maybe you are too. My new podcast is called Great Question. It's an effort to capture that curiosity and to answer the question, you haven't heard a satisfying answer to or maybe haven't even heard asked. Follow and listen to Great Question with Tony DeCouple. Wherever you get your podcasts. Back here on the cover three podcast as we look ahead to week 10 with these new college football playoff rankings in mind. We already discussed the Notre Dame side of this. What about Georgia and Ole Miss two teams. So I think they're landing spot inside the college football playoff rankings didn't draw a lot of alarm. Georgia checking in at number two with their 71 record Ole Miss at number 10 at six and two. Ole Miss is one of the teams. If you were to make a list of five teams who you could say might be able to make the college football playoff at nine and three. But Tom, I think that that nine and three might require a winning its Georgia. What's the outlook for the rebels and the dogs from a CFP perspective? I mean, I. As long as it's not more than a 28 point loss, I think Ole Miss will be fine because of the Kentucky Alabama theorem. Yeah. I mean, I don't know. It really depends. Chip, you know what? It's hard for me to answer that without knowing what cluster Ole Miss will be put in if they win or lose because again, it depends what cluster you're in. Like if Ole Miss loses, maybe they get ranked below Missouri because that cluster Missouri wins the cluster. If they win, maybe they're better than Utah. I don't know. I thought that these two, I thought that these two were pretty, we had a couple teams we grabbed. We've, Danny, we sort of skipped over those because those two made sense in terms of their overall placement, right? You talk about the six and two. Yeah. I'm talking about Ole Miss at 10 and Georgia at two. Yeah. I don't think we had, I don't think all of us probably pegged them for exactly where they would be right there. Yeah. That was everything that you thought going into the night in terms of what it would be. BYU in Utah, Utah at eight, no, BYU. I mean, Utah at three, BYU at eight. I thought that BYU was one of the most interesting ones, Danny. You could have constructed an argument for BYU as high as four. You could have had BYU down at nine. I thought it was maybe the low point and that is where they land. So for the coolers, does that make this win? Does that make this game against Utah kind of a must win type territory? Yeah. I think if you're in the ACC or big 12, even I mean, ACC, it's very clearly looks like a one big lead barring and upset. But the big 12, I'd be worried if I was BYU. Yeah. If you go to two losses, I think your entrance would only be through a big 12 title. Yeah. I think you're a serious trouble. I mean, absolute based on what we saw from week one and trying to take it seriously for the sake of the question. If BYU loses to Utah and Notre Dame loses to Miami, BYU is done. If you're a BYU fan, obviously you want to root for your team to win. But if you lose on Saturday morning early, because it is the early game, you need to root like hell for Notre Dame to beat Miami. This weekend, we also get Texas at Missouri, Missouri, down at number 18. That was another one that we, you know, we saw Missouri, we saw Iowa, those those ones seem to make sense checking in at 18 and 19. If the Tigers are able to get a win against Texas, are they still still fair game still alive? Yeah. Anybody who wins alive. LSU, if they lose against BAMMA, but then is that what you asked? But still be Texas. Because they have Texas, Tennessee and Arkansas. I think, I think LSU is very much still alive at nine and three. Yeah. I mean, I think you look at their schedule. They're going to have one of the stronger SOSs. And they play Tennessee's in front of them. I mean, the BAMA win would be huge, but especially because BAMMA is a top five team. Would they drop them? Well, here's the question. If LSU beats BAMMA does BAMMA fall into the Tennessee cluster? Yes. Yes. That could be a precipitous drop. Alabama is actually double must win because the last thing you want to do is get too close to Tennessee. Is it is a double must win? Is that like the double secret probation? Yeah. Yeah. Alabama's got a double must win because the last thing you want is to get into Tennessee's cluster, which honestly, if you think about it socially, there were some clusters I never wanted to be a part of. You know, I didn't want to stay too close to them because I don't want to get in their cluster. Is Kentucky, Tennessee a double must win or a triple can't lose? All right. Hold on. I'm going to answer your question seriously. Alright, Tennessee down at 13, a double must win. For the Kentucky Wildcats, a triple must triple can't lose for Tennessee a double must win. Got it. Got it. That makes sense. Okay. Cool. Tom, you've asked for some rankings. I think we might have them. All right. I just had a question for you. If the striker, if you could put the rankings up, it'd be easier for the boys to answer. Let's just call our shots. All right. Great job, striker putting this together, by the way. This is constructed literally on the fly. So thank you for this. We talked last year or we talked earlier like Miami at 18 in the original ranking last year is the lowest ranked non G 16 to make the field. So if we go from 17 to 24 on that graphic, all right. So not including boys, which one of those teams is the most likely to make the field in your eyes. USC. Yeah. If USC wins in Bloomington, where are the cover three podcasts will be? If USC wins that game, especially where Indiana is locked in as a top five team being off this weekend, then you will see them soar up in the rankings. And I think that that's probably more of an instant boost from where they are to where they could be than anybody else on that far right column. Let me go. Oregon. Oregon beat Ohio State. And then they finish with Michigan, Michigan state in Washington. They're nine >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. they would have five quote-unquote quality wins. I don't know how Michigan would rank in the end, but I think Oregon's the most likely. But that's more of my belief that I don't think USC's going to be into you. Right, that's fair. But I mean the Oregon would be the biggest surprise, the biggest story to go from, you know, preseason top four seemingly done for the year, lose your quarterback, roar back and even show up in the playoff. I think would be a remarkable story, but yeah, sure I could see it because I can also see a scenario where Oregon finishes hot and we have seen the committee does kind of value how you finish. You know, like if you're hot late and you had it with slow starters, they'll they'll bump you up for it. Like the UCLA law or the UCLA law state would be like they didn't have their starting quarterback. The Illinois law, they didn't have their starting quarterback, but then they found their rhythm and they got hot. And you know, we just really valued the way that they've been playing over this last five, six weeks and we think they deserve a shot in the field compared to the other teams in their cluster. We'll see. Danny, what was your answer to the question? How low would you go for a team to make the 12 team? Yep. This ranking right now, where would you say this is the lowest ranked team that I could still see making it? I mean, we were kind of joking about Oregon. I don't think it's crazy, but I probably wouldn't bet it. I mean, South Carolina's getting hot. They could finish out. I could see South Carolina making it. They ain't going to lose something dumb. They're going to lose something. I know, but I'm saying if they won out, I mean, if we're going in that world where South Carolina wins out there at 21, they would play Georgia. It would be the big signature win. I don't know if Texas A&M Arkansas Clemson are enough to jump, but those teams in front of them, you know, I definitely think Iowa can get it. Well, can I would get an attend to? It's a little dicey. I thought it was, I mean, we talked about that game today on the big game. That feels like a playoff. It definitely is a playoff elimination game. The problem for Iowa is they have the lost to Ohio State. They have the lost to Minnesota. Right now their best win is either Wisconsin or Michigan and committee clearly has no respect for either of those teams. Nor should they. And they're the last four games are North Western Purdue, Illinois and Nebraska. Like they need to win out and they probably need a lot of carnage everywhere else. But the carnage is coming. A lot of these teams play. It's just a matter of are they just going to tiny bump down for losing to another SEC opponent? Sherry does have a good point. If Iowa wins out, they're probably going to need an applespring championship. So they would have another chance to get a big data point. And if I still think it would be very, very hard after the Alabama example from last year for a team that plays in the SEC or a big 10 championship game to be left out. It just doesn't feel like something that's that it is the last. It is the last year. It is the last year of conference championships. And we saw like when they 2023 when it was the last year, the four team field they kind of didn't worry about those kind of precedence much. Yeah, but there's still the units that give it are given out for the teams that are there. You wouldn't want an SEC or big 10 to say we lost a team because we played the extra game, right? But it's fine. It won't happen again, but going to 24 next year. I mean, again, they'd left out a undefeated power conference champion in 2023, right? Because they were going to 12 anyway. Wouldn't wouldn't happen next year. Do you think next year when we have a 2014 field, they're going to release a top 50? They have to do 30, right? I don't know. And I don't wonder if they start because I think this is a better idea. Like I was looking at Coli Matrix. They do top 25 wins, top 50 wins. Like I do wonder if they start referencing top 40 wins. Do they move it out? Do they start using something a little bit, you know, which I think is a better metric. That's a good point. Top 40 wins. Yep. I mean, they have to go to 30, right on this show. Well, I mean, we started top 25 in 1936 when the number of teams that were competing was nothing close to the 138 that it is now. You know, the idea of a top 25 in terms of what it represents for all the teams that are competing at the same level is not the same numbers. I mean, it's one of the arguments, honestly, for college football playoff expansion. Just in terms of the number of teams that are, I mean, I know the number of teams that are big air quotes in the mix versus the number of teams that make it. But anyway, what about these? Let's stay in the present. All right, here we go. Tom Franelli, Danny Cannell, one winner, one loser from the first college football playoff rankings. Tom, why don't you go first? One winner and one loser. That's easy. The winner is Alabama. The 100%. The loser is Notre Dame. A 100%. Yeah. I do think, I mean, I think UCLA is a close second to the loser because I think most people, I mean, McKenzie was probably right on this. She was like, I don't think UCLA isn't a 10 and two. I agreed with her. But all the metrics, some of the stuff they were looking into for both Notre Dame and UCLA said 10 and two. They were most likely in. I think UCLA has to go 11 and 1 to be in. I think UCLA was a loser. I think BYU was a loser. I mentioned this earlier. Nine really felt like about as low as you were going to go and there was a lot of room to be able to go up. I think Utah is a winner. I think that being at number three with that eight, no record, even if Houston is the best win that you have this season, that says that the committee likes you a lot. BYU, a loser, Utah, a winner heading into that rivalry game. I think that's a little bit interesting. A hundred percent agree with you. No other way to put it. Indiana, massive winner. Notre Dame, a massive loser. And then also from the Ohio state side of this 12 can't be good, right? Was it too expected? I mean, we lose a bit, lose are the opening rankings. You've got a win over Indiana. And yet it's not really represented here when you check in as the one, two, three, fourth two loss team, even with a win over Indiana. I'm fair to ask it of you saying is how you're currently hosting a live show. But do we know if anybody asked you to check if Luke Fahey played a role in Ohio State's ranking? The injury to saying. Don't know. Did anybody in the chat see it? I hope our chat's smart enough not to watch Hunter, you're a check, answer these questions. Is it too early to ask that? The news, the news, the newsroom has been derailed at reports of one of our CBS colleagues reportedly interviewing for his alma mater. New NFL colleague, Super Bowl winning quarterback, played baseball too. Got it. Yeah. Trying to try to verify. I think another reporter's put that out. So Kenny, we, I was getting play by play in the newsroom of Hunter, you're a check. But now they're distracted by the shiny object. So it's down to rivers and Russ. Let's go. Up for all of that. Either way, I'll take it. Not the show for it, I guess. But I will say, at a time where things could be changing drastically as far as conference alignment and all that kind of stuff, really risky move by NC State to go with Philip Rivers or Wilson apparently. Do you think Colorado was, wait, I just missed something. Is that serious for you guys? We're joking. I don't know if the report, serious chips saying it's being talked about in the newsroom. Adam Schaefter says former Super Bowl champion, quarterback, Russ. So this is like another Condoleezer Rice situation where Condoleezer Rice was interviewing to be the Browns general manager. Yeah. Adam Schaefter. Yeah. And Russ was probably like, wait a second. They're going to take little rivers. Why don't I throw my name in the mix? No, I just, I mean, the difference to me between Deon and Philip is Deon had college coaching experience. Right. Before he took the Colorado job, Philip doesn't. He's a high school coach. I mean, but let's shoot. Shoot. I mean, I'm just trying to finish hard with these guys. You know, I mean, I just just trying to stay in the moment right now. I'm shoot. Shoot. You know, like that place right there. He's so much to me. Shoot. I shoot now. But the I've never listened to a bit of a high school post game press conference. Tom and Danny, I was listening to an Alabama high school playoff press conference. Why? Why? The Philip everyone's feels real. The Russell Wilson feels like somebody's agent said, hey, if RG3 put his name out for bail or why we put up Russell Wilson for this one. Yeah. Why not? See if we can get somebody to buy it. If you are an NFL reporter or college football reporter watching or listening to this show, throw my name out there for the four state connection. I'm interested. I'll take the job. Maybe Russ. That's a go. And maybe Russ is just floating it so that Wisconsin comes open. Tag full of badgers. Then he can play for that. What? You know what? I'm hearing new number one CBS NFL analyst, JJ what? Interested in the Wisconsin job should have come open. I don't know if Hunter York check was asked about. I don't. We'll find out. We also have a teleconference with Hunter that it's going to be coming up in a little bit that we'll have a we'll be able to pick that apart as we will in conversations moving forward. Our conversations So at the conclusion of this, just go right back to the thing we do the best. And that is breaking down these games. That is telling you the things that we think are gonna happen and how excited we are for everything the college football has to offer. We are gonna be back with you on Thursday, 11 a.m. Eastern time for the locks edition for this loaded week 10 and another reminder. In case you missed our announcement earlier today, we are going to be live in Bloomington, Indiana. Next week for USC at Indiana. What does that mean? Means we're gonna be in town on Friday. We'll let you know where we wanna hang out 'cause we do wanna see everybody in the cup of three tailgate. Then on Saturday, we are going to be just outside of the stadium. Hold on, I had this right in front of the spirit of Indiana statue, okay? This is my first time to Bloomington, like hands up. I'm not coming in as the expert, but we are gonna be in front of the spirit of Indiana statue and we wanna have you come and hang out with us before the game starts. So, 2 p.m. Eastern time, we are gonna be going live on CBS Sports HQ from outside the stadium and we want you to come and hang out with us. We'd honestly love to talk to you. And so please come be a part of the tailgate. Come and hang out. We'll also be live at 11 a.m. if you wanna come out early, but that 2 p.m. That's gonna be cover three pre-game, getting you set for USC at Indiana. All of that coming up next weekend in Bloomington, lots more details to come along the way. We're fired up. We hope that you were gonna be able to get there. (laughs) Chip doesn't know those roads. - Chip doesn't know those roads. - I don't know those roads. - That's why I got a listen. Real, real ones though, I respect knowing the roads, which is why I come in not trying to be cocky about this one, fired up to be there. Here the foliage is amazing. Hopefully we'll get lots of opportunities to be able to be gone. - They might be on the ground by the time. - Yeah, by then. We also need a recommendation for somewhere Friday night too because there's a couple bangers like must see games Friday night that we have to be in attendance for somewhere watching Florida State against Pat and Arduzze and Pitt and Illinois in LA against UCLA. - Might be knocking the Bruins out of the playoff in that night. (laughs) - Do you want to hang out? - I have to emergency pod. - Do you want to hang out with Tom Fernelli as the Fighting Alina and not QCLA out of the playoff picture? Come and hang out with us. Be sure to be a part of the fun as the Cover 3 podcast, heads to Bloomington and you can follow him on Twitter at Tom Fernelli. You can follow him @DanieKinnell. Follow me @Chip_Patterson. Gentlemen, thank you very much. - Thank you. - See ya. (upbeat music) - One of America's top true crime podcast, 48 Hours is back with a new season. 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