CFP Is Looking to Expand, and Joel Defends His Performance

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We're very excited to be back. We had a special episode last week. We had Bob Chesney on the show. Great to have him. Also had some fun interviews. T.J. Husmanzada joined us on the sidelines. That was a lot of fun. Got some Nico clips out there. Also got some clips. Got some clips from the UCLA practice facility that we will discuss. But first and foremost, let's say what's up to our guys, Van Lathan in studio. What's up, Van? What's up? Raise it on up. And when I say the roof, Ring Your Tailgate is back. Three amigos ride again. Yeah, we're here. We're having a good time. We also got Joel Anderson rocking the UCLA gear. No TCU today. What's up, Joel? You know, you said no TCU gear, man. I went to the after we finished up at the UCLA practice field. I went back onto the campus, spent some time in the bookstore and got myself. Every time I go to UCLA or any college, I try to get myself a sort of weird shirt. So this is my UCLA Bruins rowing shirt. Only one time has anybody ever asked me if I rowed, which I feel like, oh, man, that person is really. That's a post-racial person right there. A person that was like, you know, maybe you could have been on rowing, but nobody else ever seems to ask me about that at all. So how is rowing the topic? Yeah. Wait, what? Like, why did you go with rowing? Oh, I just I just like I like to get a weird shirt, man. I had a Stanford fencing shirt a few years ago. You know, I like, you know, cross country volleyball. I just track. Yeah, track. Oh, that's a little bit more mainstream. But yeah, I try to I try to get one of those like, you know, sports that don't make any money and wear it around. And, you know, not that I want people to talk to me, but it's just something I do. So. We left the college. You went back on to the college and went into their bookstore. Yeah. You know what? You all left. That's right. You all drove off because we had had dinner plans. And of course, that didn't come to fruition. And so everybody left. And I was like, I have a few extra minutes. I said that I was going to get myself a shirt and I got my son and daughter a shirt. I got my wife some shorts and some other and some other things. And so, yeah, I always thought if I'm on a college campus, man, I'm always trying to stop by the bookstore. Man, are you trying to make it weird? Are you trying to say, oh, yeah, hold on. I'm not in any way making it weird. Okay. What I'm saying, okay, if I'm allowed to talk, what I'm saying is that we could have done this together. Yeah, we could have all done. We could have all done this. We could have done this together. You could have said, hey, before I leave, I always have this tradition of, you know, walking through the college, seeing the sites and going to the bookstore. But you chose to do it by yourself. That's all I'm saying. Well, you know, I was standing there by myself in the parking lot because actually when we walked away from each other, I realized I wasn't actually close to my car. So I was walking to my car and I was like, shit, I could go back to the library. As I've already paid for parking, like it was, you know, $17. I was like, so I don't have to keep paying for parking. I was like, let me go on and go on back in there. Maybe I should, if I called y'all back, would y'all have come? I mean, look, if you said, hey, I want to go to the bookstore, I probably would have gone to the bookstore. Like we had nothing else. But you wanted to go by yourself. I didn't want to go by myself. I wanted y'all to come. You wanted to go by yourself. We talked for a long time in the parking lot. You had ample opportunity to bring it up. We did, but I forgot about it until I was paying for parking. We were throwing the football with each other. That's right. I showed you the Joel award. You know, this was clearly something that you wanted to do. Do you all know? Do you know what happened? That day I'm standing in the parking lot disappointed. I'm like, oh, man, I thought we were all going to get dinner. And, you know, so I'm standing there and I'm like, well, I guess I got a lot of free time now. I got free. So y'all left. And I was like, oh, shit, I can't go back to the. Surely you all understand. I was prepared to go to dinner with y'all. I was excited. I was like, oh, you talked about going to someplace near campus and y'all drove off. And then it hit me that I could go back to the bookstore. And I did. And I went into the student center area. So to get myself something to drink. I didn't have any. I didn't have any. Of course you did. Of course you did. You went to the bookstore and then you went to the student center. All I'm saying is that no one even asked you to add that. All I am saying is that. Shout out Carl's Jr. Of course you did. Shout out to Carl's Jr. I've never eaten it before. I've never even known anyone who's eaten it, by the way. Really? I'm a Hardee's guy. I've never fucked with it before. Okay, cool. That was fun. It was a lot of fun. I got a little distracted because. Somebody. Put a video of Hillary Duff on my Twitter. Oh. Oh, on the Jay HUD show? Yeah, Hillary Duff doing her thing, bro. Yeah, shout out to Hillary Duff. Yeah, I saw her February 14th in Vegas for Valentine's Day. How did she do? Oh, she crushed. She crushed? She's a star. Always has been. Let me look up Hillary Duff, man. Hold on one second. Oh, I mean, she's only, you know, gotten better with time. Yeah, she's doing her thing. Really? Is Hillary Duff a white woman, a black guy? I feel like once upon a time, if you were a black man, you could not admit to liking no Hillary Duff in public because people would think something about you. You know what I'm saying? Like, I would never. I never subscribe to that. I think they would think you have good taste. I would never. There's a certain kind of white woman that was acceptable. Like, I don't know, Marissa Tomei or some shit like that. But Hillary Duff is like, man, you really, you really like Yakub. You know what I mean? Yeah, I never really subscribe to that. What I'm on, I'm on. That's it. Okay. She's got a little sauce to her, too. Like, Hillary Duff, for me, she's not black. A little sauce. This isn't a Taylor Swift situation. Like, she's got something to her. A little sauce. I mean, the reality is that, Joe, you don't really know about Hillary Duff. So before you get into the situation, why don't you do your due diligence on it? Do your Duff research and come back. I mean, I can see the appeal. Right. Okay. Yeah. I can see the appeal. I mean, I don't, you know, I really struggle when it comes to naming attractive people. But, you know, yeah. I mean, I'm going to leave it there. You did a good job with football coaches. You had a nice list. You did a great job. Oh, yeah, man. Look, our number one, Marcus Freeman. I thought it was important. Number two, Bob Chesney. Well, we told Chesney he was number one. I know. Yeah. We kind of fucked up on that. Yeah, we kind of sucked up in real. Like, once we got in front of him, we started giving him the number one ranking. We gave him the number one. But it's okay. Well, I actually truly forgot. We also forgot to give him the raise the roof. I forgot. Yeah, we forgot to give him the raise the roof. Like, Chesney, we should say, as we get into the podcast, very impressive head coach. Very impressive head coach. I think UCLA is in good hands. Yeah. Yeah. He also said we're welcome to go back to practice at any point. So, Van and I are going to go to practice. We might even bring our baseball gloves, throw around. Okay. Oh, man. Y'all not going to do that. Y'all not going to. Yeah, we are. Y'all talk so much shit about it. You know what you're going to say? I'm going to be like, did y'all ever go to that UCLA practice? Like, no, man. But you know what? One time we hung out with Tommy Alter and who was it? Cam Johnson. Y'all will bring that time. We've hung out. We've hung out. With some other girls. Yeah. Because we went to the game as well. So, me and Tate. USC. Jomie. Me and Tate have made plans twice. And me and Tate have hung out twice. Me and Tate. This is like two for two. Okay. We're 100%. Well, I haven't. I don't understand why haven't y'all made more plans. Y'all live right there. I mean, you know, Joel. We're on the other side of fucking town. Yeah, you understand LA now. Yeah. Yeah. It's like 30 towns. Not really one city. It's a lot of space in between. But we're going to hang out again. We're going to go to UCLA practice. And speaking of UCLA practice, let's talk about practice facility footage that was leaked this week. There was a lot of. Joel went viral, in case you missed it. If you're not on Twitter, you're not on X, not on any of these other platforms. The videos of Joel Anderson going head to head with myself, with Billy Gill. Van was playing all-time QB for us. There's been a lot of controversy, a lot of conversation. If you go to our YouTube, you can watch some of this stuff. We kind of basically did a vlog while we were at UCLA. Dominique Foxworth's show decided to give their takes on what happened with Joel Anderson. Van shared the video. I made Joel touch earth. And then there was a lot of reactions. Before we came on, Tate said, I'm going to defend you, Joel. I'm going to. As soon as the lights came on, you know what I'm saying, Tate switched up on me. That's fine. I'm here to defend Joel. Look, I brought my Joel water bottle today. So I'm going to take a sip because I got to support Joel. There was too much, too much hate that was coming at Joel's direction. It was. Joel said it was offensive pass. interference i think that was a little bit too far but again uh hips got turned things went sideways joel do you have a message to the haters because there were a lot of people that were coming at your neck and van and i actually talked independently we thought this was wrong so we wanted to defend you a little bit also wanted to give you your space to react you talked independently really yeah we talked independently we were like we got to defend joel's honor because joel okay we know you're a talent you know you guys talked about it on text bros or something okay all right text bros did a facetime together and we we said we had your okay all right well look here here's what i gotta say i think one thing that i don't get enough credit for in this whole ordeal is that i'm not afraid of the smoke or to look in bed you know to embarrass myself you know i mean y'all can laugh people can laugh at me but did you know the origin of 227 lore is that i wasn't afraid to wrestle even in the face of certain defeat i think i i think that count it wasn't even fat count i think the original story i told i told y'all about my tussle with quincy lunsford right uh go for it i don't think just regale us get quincy quincy was a uh he was in my class 96 he was a defensive end he was six foot five uh six foot four 230 from brazos port texas we watched walking off the practice field one day and you know man i guess maybe i did i just must talk a lot of shit back in the day i don't know what happened anyway i i was talking about some motherfuckers i had him back in the day yeah well i guess man i'll talk a little shit today and i was talking i was talking shit and i don't know what i felt like quincy got inordinately like like upset like i felt like like he was challenging me and i was just i was like i'm not afraid of you maybe you know i'm saying like what what you want to do and so we started wrestling we started wrestling in the locker room and the thing that was crazy about it and this has never happened before in my life so first of all quincy had me hemmed up in my locker dog like i was on the fucking like he had his you know forearm in my neck all this shit and then head coach pat sullivan emerges and i'd never even seen him in the locker room before like i was like i you don't even you don't even come in here and he was like cut it out you know and like felt like i was a fool like i was a child because i was wrestling but the point is is that i sized up quincy i mean the odds were not that i was gonna win but i was gonna get out there and do it and that's the same thing so like if y'all say hey look let's run some routes let's do whatever i'll i'll have on chucks i'll have on a pair of baggy jeans i just bought at the old navy in manhattan beach you know what i'm saying and i'll just i'll line up and i don't think a lot of people got that dog in them to do that i will line up you know and i mean shit man look i'm in the worst shape of my life y'all you know what i'm saying so like i mean all right so excuses so far baggy jeans yeah but then also takes the time to compliment himself that he will show up okay freeze all right there's no need to do that hey i'll be honest with you years old should should should roy wood go do a three cone drill everybody could see what that looks like so you're calling out you're calling out roy specifically is what you're saying i like i like roy roy i went some he performed at silver spring i saw him backstage and we dapped it up it's like i like roy man that's my dog whatever some of all the people who offered that that's what i'm about to ask you for all of the people who offered their criticisms and thoughts on the videos which ones were you particularly miffed about well i look i what are you doing we had a phone we had a whole phone conversation about this i'm asking i'm and i'm i'm saying we said this is a message to the haters yeah which haters you're you're talking which ones did you think i'm not i'm not i'm not gonna say everybody i'm not gonna say about but there were people like i mean there were people in the fucking mentions talking about oh man he uh he didn't even know how to catch the ball look at his hand placement on that i'm like what the you fucking idiot what are you talking about you don't know what you're talking about uh to criticize me like that and again people are like oh man fastest 10 year old do you know when i was 10 years old 1988 okay so i'm almost 48 years old okay so i dare any of you all to go outside not having worked out and just go start running and getting loose you know i'm saying like if you you all every mentally everybody on the fucking internet is aunt edwards so get your ass out there and go do it bring your ass or bring your ass to ucla at the end of the summer when i'm lining it up and i'll have shorts and cleats you know i'm saying we could do however you want this is the purpose of the tailgate field day right the purpose of the tailgate field day ringer field day sponsored by tailgate ringer tailgate field day whatever we want to fucking call it yeah it's because everybody feels like they run a four six they run a four five they can get out of a break get up the field we want to see in august this august we are inviting all of you how athletic you are if you think that tate could make you touch earth like he did to joe tate's a good athlete by the way like i don't understand what's going on it is a good athlete it is a very good athlete one of the best basketball players are you the best basketball player at the ringer well i'm van i don't know i was gonna say i think van van all right we'll do it we're gonna do a shootout but you know what don't sleep don't sleep on mahoney though because people say that mahoney mahoney got game as well so i don't know i don't say shit until i've been on the court that's right i don't say shit until i've been on the court that's right i don't say shit saying is this though like with that situation with joe joe did not just he lost that rep yes but he also won reps he caught the swing pass joe was out there putting his money where his mouth is that's right a lot you don't want to talk about who he had smoke with there was a lot of shit going on and i was in la your la cousin or different cousin no not my la cousin my cousin from san antonio and she came to visit for uh to she went to a wedding and a baby shower it was the same people had on the same weekend and so so she was up here for that and so i had a lot of shit going on but i also had a lot of shit going on and i was like oh my god i'm i mean to be honest i did not have a great week online last week because of the rewatchable shit too and so i was really like i really don't want to hear i really don't want to hear from no fucking body dog i don't want you know i'm saying i just was kind of like i'm kind of i got enough shit going on here so was the rewatchables was worse than the football video oh it's got to be i mean i don't i you know what i'll never know i'll never look it up i'll never look it up i gotta you also asked to be on the rewatchables i well i said that i could show up at the live show i said that you know if if you all came to dc and you you could have a segment with me on there it could be like a ringer you know review or some shit like that that's fine uh i and i enjoyed being on the rewatchables it was you know it was fun it was fun but i mean i knew to expect that people were going to yell at me and bill even told me that bill was like yo man like you know this is how it is and so i knew to expect it so i was trying to stay away from the motherfuckers man i don't want to hear people tagging me on instagram i'm like what's what's wrong with you niggas man leave me alone i don't want to talk about well so i appreciate the rewatchables fans they care a lot about their podcast they love the podcast yeah it's a it's a you know i have a sort of a contentious relationship with all these different reddits and stuff like that yeah you do but yeah you do i do but like i i appreciate that was funny though i was like how is joel going to take being tossed into the fire of that and joel said i had a tough week a lot because of the rewatchables that's funny it is funny i mean i just the thing is i from what the the little bit that broke through i was like oh i don't want to know no more so this was one of those times that i exercised a lot of discipline and i was like i don't want to i don't want to i don't want to i don't want to know i don't want to know what people said you know what i'm saying what i mean like the only people that matter were the people in the room or the people in the production room internally you got rave reviews everybody i talked to said joel was great they had a fun time the one knock was that you said you didn't like the movie i think that was i appreciate it i mean i don't want to talk about how that ended up happening i don't want to talk about how that ended up happening but that's not my fault not my fault not my fault they were outside influences there were outside influences i had nothing to do with it they were out of your control so uh i think it was good though i think it was good i think it was good i think it was good though the ucla practice footage the fact that you had you know big name people commenting joel that were you know you had bomani came and defended your honor dominic foxworth defended your honor so like you know we can look at the haters but also there were a lot of people that were appreciators you know i think people people understand man it's hard to just get up off the couch and go start running routes dog it is tough i mean look take you know i know you i mean you know when you say touch earth that's kind of some but that's fine uh but you know it happened but i'm gonna be back and you know the one thing i just got to say to add on to this and you all didn't accept it as well i'm about to i'm about to i'm about to retweet this right now what are you about to retweet i'm about to retweet the rep between you and tay right now Okay, come on, bro. What are you doing? Van, I thought you were here to defend me. What happened? So you all got over being concerned about me. Well, first of all, I think – Well, now we know you're good now. I think everything that you said is true. Number one, you were down to run the swing pass. You were down to run – Billy's not here. Billy lost the rep to me. I blame – Yeah. I think you should have got your head around, but I think you could have been a better pass. I take responsibility. You were there, and you were really on one the entire time we were at UCLA. You were just going crazy. I was in bliss. I was having a lot of fun, dog. UCLA just – They were so great to us. They really were, man. It was amazing. We didn't get a chance to witness you in the bookstore, in the student section with 21-year-old people. I mean, let's not talk about – There was a girl that was passing by that thought you were hollering at her, Van. Do you remember this? That's not true. First of all, that's not true. That is true. That is true. You were kind of like – And I was trying to throw the football to them, and there was a group of people. It was just – I was doing it to everyone. It was one girl. It was one girl and a dude. That's not true, Joel. And he stood by, and he was just like, you know, she's down with it. She's down with it. But we didn't run that. We got – It's on tape. That was one knock, though, that nobody wanted to catch the football. I was trying to throw the football. It ain't really that kind of a swing around. If that would have been – If that would have been on Southern's campus or LSU's campus, I'd hold the football up like, yeah, I want to throw the football. Somebody would have wanted to catch the football. Nobody wanted to play catch at UCLA with the creepy old 46-year-old guy. UCLA students go to school for school. They're there for school. Yeah. Sports is sort of ancillary, which is a – that is a whole California thing. I mean, there are some people that are obviously very passionate, and there's some passionate fan bases there. But, like, man, California, you know, football is like – maybe if you had a Frisbee. If you had a Frisbee, maybe they would have caught it. Yeah, they would have loved a Frisbee. A beaker of some sort. Yeah. Yeah. Do some chemistry. Do some chemistry. Yeah, something like that. Joel, last thing on this. What do we change before we get to the field day in August? Like, what are you expecting to do before you race Billy? That's the big part of the field day. You're racing Billy. So you saw Billy on the ground. Do you feel good about your chances to get ready for that race? I mean – Yeah, I mean, I feel pretty good about that part of it now. The other part – but I kind of want us to all line it back up and do one-on-ones now. Because now I'm like – I feel – so this is what I was going to say. You all didn't accept this as an excuse, but I jammed you out of the play. And football, my football mind was like, Tate's no longer a threat. He's already out of bounds. The quarterback has to go to his second or third option. But this was just some – you know, one-on-one shit, and you were just able to come from way out of bounds behind the bench and run that little – Tate was in the slot? I was in the slot. No, I – You forced me outside. Maybe you thought you had some outside – you thought you had outside help, but you didn't. If you look at – by the way, Joel, just to let you know, talking about football, I'm looking at it right now. Frizz, bring it back up. No, we ain't got – why are we – No, no, no, no, no. Hold on. No, no, no, because you talking shit. Look, there you go. Thank you, Frizz. Look at where Tate is in relation to the ball. Frizz, you'd never do shit for me. Tate is clearly – like, Tate is clearly inside. Frizz, you can run it now, and when you – when we look at this, you see Tate – Look at that, Joel. Look at Joel. Look how far he's way out there. Joel, you are looking at the sideline. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Okay, all right. All right. Maybe I'll need to run it again. That's fine. So we got to – we'll run this play back. Okay. Frizz, that's enough. Okay. Plenty. Well, anyway. Fun times. I thought – I thought the jam was effective. In any way, yeah, man. Some of y'all whole-ass niggas that had a lot to say, please line up and show up. I'm going to be – man, the thing is, if I had six months, I would really fuck y'all up, man. I would be like – I would eat y'all for lunch. I'm not going to have that amount of time. Maybe we'll do – maybe we'll make the field day an annual thing, but it is – I needed – I needed this. I needed to wake up. I looked at myself – You needed the motivation. I looked at myself, and I was like, oh, man, I look like one of them goofy-ass, suburban dads on an America's Funniest Home video. Falling down. I was like, that was the check I needed. So I got my water here. I'm starting, you know, protein shakes. I'm eating grapes right now. I'm ready, dog. Okay. So August, you'll be prepared. I'll be as prepared. Are we going to have other ringer people involved in this field day? We'll figure it out. We're going to work out some of this stuff. But maybe Joel can go one-on-one with everybody. See, that's – I don't want to be out there all day. I'm not – who was the homeboy? Colton Hood? They were talking about him during the draft. It was like one day no other defensive back showed up and he did all the reps and that showed how much of a dog he was. I ain't doing that shit. I mean, you know what I'm saying? I'll take – I'll pick a few people out of the crowd or maybe we could do something to configure who wants to do the route. But I'm not going to be up there all day on y'all. Yeah. Well, I'm proud of you for not calling people specifically hoes. Only one diss during that whole segment. So, you know, this is growth. We'd love to see it from Joel Anderson. I'm a big – Roy Wood fan. Big Roy Wood fan. Don't – I appreciate that we had high-level people like that. Yeah, man. He's a celebrity. That's right. Yeah. Shout out to all the celebs that were watching, tuning in. UCLA, shout out to those guys for taking care of us and we'll be back. At least Van and I will be back at practice and then when Joel comes back in August, maybe we can do our field day at UCLA. I mean, we'll see if we can figure it out. I think they will probably be into that. I think they will too. I can guarantee that you all will never – you all will not be back over at UCLA together. Not before I get back there. Well, we might go to multiple practices. Well, we're going to throw the baseball for sure. I'll put some – I'm almost willing to put money on it, Doc. There's no way y'all are going to go over there. If we don't throw the baseball, it'll be Tate's fault because I definitely want to get out there and throw the baseball. Why don't you stop hating? Yeah, y'all got to go do it, Doc. I already know. But, man, we went out with Cam Johnson and Tommy Alter and who else? We went to the USC game, man. Van, we got to go to another dinner so we can change up the group. We do. We got to call Tom. Yeah. Tommy in town this week. We're going to go again. Oh, shit. I'm coming for free, Doc. It's going to be Tommy, Van, me, Alex Caruso. Alex Caruso, yeah, man. Look, man. That's what's up. Alex Caruso got bigger problems. Yeah, a 7'7 problem. That fucking Avatar nigga looked like he's not taking no motherfucking shorts and no losses in this motherfucker. Like, God damn. That was crazy. That was one of the craziest things I've seen in a while. It's kind of like when you're watching a movie and you're like, hey, is this a movie? Hey, is this a movie? That was very a decade ago. It's not the make. It's the take. I firmly believe this. So on that logo three for Wimby, it's not the fact that it went in. It's the fact that Wimby said, I am about to shoot this basketball. We are going to win or lose this game based on whether or not I can make that shot and then took that shot. If I'm scared of something when it comes to Victor Wimbinyama right now, I'm scared not of the seven foot five frame of the arms or any of that. I'm scared of the belief that he has in himself because that is the one thing that has dogged guys that wanted to take over this league or the NBA for a long time is that they didn't really feel like they could do it. And Wimby was like, fuck it. It goes in. We win or we're back in this game. If I break it, we probably lose. And he took that shot. That to me, I was like, wow, that type of shot to take that. I'm like, that's phenomenal. Phenomenal. And it did go in. The interesting thing about that too is that like the Thunder are exactly the worst team for him to play in terms of motivation because he is insulted by the idea of Shea and the way he plays and, you know, and Chet too. So the thing about He hates Chet. The thing about Chet that is crazy, man, I feel like Chet is like, man, I hope this settles down soon. Like, he's just like, I don't know why he mad, but I hope he stopped being mad. Chet, it's not, bro, you gonna, you gonna have to do something about it, man. Wimby is not gonna lit up over you on this, over the, I mean, under 19 FIBA World Cup game. Did y'all see that? I watched that game live. Yeah, I remember watching that game too. Jay Noddy was incredible in that game. Kenny Lofton was, I thought Kenny Lofton, I was shocked that Chet won MVP because I thought he was the best most reliable player. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But yeah, man, Chet, man, you don't have to, you don't have to tap in, bro, because Wimby's not lit up on your ass, dog. Also, game one against the Timberwolves when they lost, Wimby gave up the ball late in that game and he got a lot of pushback from people saying he didn't want the ball at the end. Like, they ended up getting a good shot with Champagny, but it doesn't go in. They lose game one. So the fact that he's course corrected just from the last series to this series says that, you know what I mean? He's working at a different level. So, shout out to him. Really cool. He took the shot. It's the take. He has belief in himself. Tell it. Yeah. Champagny! Oh, man. I just, that's, I was wondering, okay, Julian Champagny, that's how you pronounce his last name? That's crazy. Yeah. What were you calling him? Champagny? I thought his whole, I thought his whole name was Champagny. Oh, like his first name was Sham, his last name was Penny? I mean, not really. You don't be watching the game? Yeah, I would say. Yeah, not really. I mean, I catch up when, you know, I need to, like, in the playoffs or whatever, but it's kind of, you know, I have not really reached a point in my life where I can watch a lot of late-night basketball, especially here on the East Coast, man. That's right. You're on the East Coast. Yeah, East Coast hurts. It makes it more difficult. so it's just like I'm late and trying to all the games are happening during bath and bedtime in this house so I would say now's the time to tap in conference finals two great matchups Cavs I watched I watched both those games I've watched you said fantastic basketball fantastic basketball so yeah I mean it's fun yeah it's a good matchup first time both games with the OT in the conference finals in NBA history so a lot of good stuff there uh let's get back to college football story of the week this story just won't go away the 2014 college football playoff if you are out here in Los Angeles you got the Big Ten having their big meeting at Terranea down in Palos Verdes right now and they are pushing for a 2014 college football playoff Bill Connolly wrote a piece on this for ESPN and the synopsis of the whole piece was this bigger isn't always better but these conference uh commissioners really especially the SEC and the Big Ten and the Big 12 and I guess the ACC by proxy seem to want a 2014 college football playoff Joe I'll go to you first when you see this do you feel like it's inevitable or do you think this is uh just them trying to control the narrative I think it's inevitable uh and it's mostly being set up for whatever new version of college football is here right like you know whenever they they they eliminate the Wake Forest or whatever and they're like you know y'all can't play with us no more um but that's at the Demon Deacons yeah man well look I mean we know what it is that's one of the smallest schools in FBS man you know and at a certain point they won the ACC they had some good players yeah I mean look man my homeboy one of my best homeboy two of my best homeboys went to Wake Forest man and uh I like that campus have fun there but I just you know that's gonna be one of the school TCU there's no guarantee that we make it into the next round of realignment like it we're on the bubble um and I think that part makes it inevitable but anyway I have a reason why it won't work and a reason why it's actually bad okay I'll start with the reason it's bad because the more games the players play the more likely it is that injuries will impact the results okay Oregon was down like it lost its running back uh Jordan Davison against Texas Tech Ole Miss Kiwan Lacey he hurt his shoulder in one game and wasn't 100 for the game against Miami and then in the Miami game because I'm assuming he had limited practice time he tweaked his right hamstring so if Ole Miss had won that game and had to play against Indiana I mean he would have been beat up and Notre Dame was beat up as hell going into the 2024 final uh Jeremiah Love was hurting that game in Georgia Carson Beck he wasn't even around for that playoff run they had to play with Gunnar Stockton so I understand injuries are part of the game but the more games that these teams play against better team better teams that can hit back the more likely injuries are going to play an outsized role and who's left standing at the end I just don't think we need we expose these really good teams to the 23rd ranked team and the second thing about why this won't work is you can't fool the fans man Alabama made the playoffs their fans seem happy do you think Oklahoma's fans are fooled by making the playoffs last year of course not they know that they're not really national championship contenders right now and so they can try to have all these extra games or whatever and oh man you're a playoff contender but people know better people know better now fans understand that if just because Iowa or USC gets into there if they got in there last year I don't think their fans would be like well they lost in the first round of the playoffs this was a pretty good game for them I don't think they would be like well they lost in the first round of the playoffs this was a pretty good game for them season the the their fans are savvier than that and coaches and programs are still going to face the same sort of pressure you can't game the system I think those are two fantastic points I agree with both of them obviously we know this is going to happen and one of the reasons why it's going to happen is because obviously there's huge money in it um huge money being the thing that matters more than anything else but also because the players are now looked at as professionals and you've seen other leagues like the NFL despite the rejections rebuttals concerns of their workforce go hey we're going to add another game because that makes us more money in this type of situation where the players are getting paid now it looks like for everyone that whatever would happen to them from an injury standpoint or a scholastic standpoint matters less than the NIL that they're getting so in this situation the owners who I guess are school presidents right they are going to add as many football games to entice as much TV participation increased revenue as they possibly can and they're not really going to consider the lives of their workforce and the health of their workforce because they look at their workforce now as professional athletes hundred percent and also we saw this in college basketball they kept floating hey we're going to expand the tournament everyone's like please God don't do it please don't do it please don't do it and then all of a sudden they announced hey it's done we've expanded the tournament we got to 76 teams and then when they asked why they did it they said the conference commissioners really wanted them to because the Big 12 the Big Ten the SEC the ACC the power four that is they're saying to themselves we need more teams to make the tournament so that we can make everybody happy in these bloated conferences and it's the exact same thing with the 2014 playoff they can float this as much as they want people can push back as much as they want but as you said Van it's gonna happen like they're gonna make it happen because they want to make all those members schools happy and think they have an outside shot to make the playoff and if they make the playoff everybody's happy apparently at least that's what they're saying yeah I just I mean we just have come so far man I mean we used to just pick two teams for the national championship game which I didn't I've never liked I thought that didn't make a lot of sense I don't like the idea of picking your champions I want to see two teams see teams win it on the field even though this is still an Invitational at the end of the day like there's sometimes there's teams to get automatic qualifiers but we're picking the teams but you have a I thought the goal of this was to make it more fair and pick a team make sure that we don't leave out teams at the end of the year that maybe have a real shot at making the national championship game and again I maybe that's naive I always know money is at play here but I just it doesn't even 24 that's a fifth of college football man well maybe a little less than maybe six I'm doing bad math five you know but anyway it's just it sounds better it sounds better yeah I think that'll be 120 teams that's a lot of things bro yeah do you do y'all really want to see like Iowa in the in the playoff game like here's the problem um I don't want to see it but I'll watch it that's right yeah that is the problem that's true that is the problem with everything the problem with everything now is I don't want to see it but I'll watch it right like I don't want to see Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather fight again both of them 45 plus on Netflix this fall I wouldn't have asked to see that I don't want to see that but I'll watch it yeah they know that you'll watch it there's a lot of things out there they know that you'll watch it so they'll put it on and as far as the teams there's probably a competitive argument here that you're going to get situations I'll throw this to Tate I asked Tate about this like you get in in the NCAA tournament which the the best parts of the NCAA tournament for me are the first couple of days that's right the tournament as it goes on it becomes more about you know the blue bloods of the sport and this against that and who's going to be able to make adjustments but those first couple of games are this weird and awkward sports experiment where you have four 23 year old guys that have been playing at Weber State since they were freshmen against a bunch of one and dones from somewhere who can get hot who can win how players respond when they are blitzed by some five foot now white dude who just decided today that he's not gonna miss right right so and that's that's the drama in the tournament and it kind of sets the palette for the entire tournament is that possible in football the answer is probably not lucky you know what I mean probably not but who knows who knows Tate do you think that it's possible in football I don't think it's possible in football I think it's an unfair fight and you just look at the trenches and you can see why it's an unfair fight especially now the transfer portal with everybody kind of moving up even in college basketball it's the same thing like those four guys or five guys who would be at Weber State like you said now that they're now all five of them are different schools one's at Oklahoma State one's at Texas Tech one's at Vanderbilt one's a villain you know what I mean so like that team that would have stayed together is now all broken up and then for the college basketball tournament the interesting part now is Thursday was so important and so fun and it's like okay here we go the tournament starts we had the first four but now we really go now we have 24 teams involved on Tuesday and Wednesday so the time by the time we get to Thursday you've already watched a lot of basketball so we don't even know if the majesty the pageantry whatever you want to call it is going to be there on that Thursday like it has in the past and that's the real test for them and again the more that you kind of draw it out and make it bigger than bloated the concern is there that you lose some of that magic and also to Joel's original point a war of attrition is not what we want we want to see the best team win and if and if it's just a war of attrition to see who can survive then there's a lot of luck that's involved and I don't think we feel like we get the actual champion which is really tough yeah I mean that's I mean look oh go ahead go ahead that's my big thing the entry thing you know yeah yeah I agree with that I mean look that kind of exists in most areas of football like even in pro football you get to a point it's like who's going to be healthy who's going to go next for me all that stuff right yeah in college football There's so many things in college football used to be different between what was going on in NCAA, what was going on in the pros. And it's kind of what made the sport special, right? And there's something else about this. Now that we're talking about this age of transfer portal and NIL, a lot of these teams don't have the same type of depth that they used to have. Some of them do. You could probably go up and down the list of players that have Buckeyes on their helmets right now and get to the third guy and still get yourself a nice established four-star for as long as he'll stay there at Ohio State. But most of the time, the depth that existed for teams in 2014, 2015 is just not there anymore. So if you start to really get a school that's ravaged by injuries, a program that's ravaged by injuries, you are not going to be able to go from Derrick Henry to T.J. Yeldon or whatever the fuck was going on. In Alabama, that's fucking nuts. You're not going to be able to go do that nowadays. There's going to be a drop-off, and that's going to affect the competition of the games. 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Or even in the NFL, like when Bo Nix isn't playing in the AFC championship game. It's just kind of a bummer. Like, I want to see teams at their best. And I know that that's not always possible in football. Indiana played and won a national championship without their best defensive lineman last year. Steven Daly got injured, I think, in the Big Ten championship game or something like that. And they managed to replace him and win. But, like, that's, again. Indiana was a rare team. And if that happens to teams further down the line, they're not going to be able to overcome it. So, I just don't want to see more playoff games. I mean, look how mad y'all got at James Madison. People were so pissed that James Madison got invited to the dance. And so, I was like, why are we pretending that we really want to see more teams than we really do? And James Madison showed up. I mean, they did okay. Yeah, they did better than people suspected. Yeah, shout out to Bob Chesney. He did a good job. But, yeah, it is fascinating to see. 24 teams thrown out when it's basically already been decided. There's also been a lot of talk this week about the deficits for all these programs and the money that is being lost. And I just want to circle back to the fact that the Big Ten is meeting at Terranea in Palos Verdes. Is that nice? They're doing all right. Very, very nice. Not too long ago. It's very nice. Well, actually, it was a very long time ago when we went there. But it's like it's one of the only resorts. It actually might be the only resort that's like in this. It's like right off the is like not a great beach area or anything like that. Not like a huge beach situation, but it's like on the rocks. So they're Palos Verdes right past Palos Verdes. Very nice. I'm going to try to I'm going to try to book a room. Yeah. That's where Lincoln Riley lives down in Palos Verdes. Get the fuck out of here. Are you serious? Yeah, it's a nice area. Okay. Really nice. All right. Let's just see. I don't really like it too much. A lot of cliff sides for me. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's right. Tate is fucked up with the Palos Verdes is very nice. Actually. You know, I asked Chesney if he lived in Palos Verdes because that's where a lot of the coaches and people go. And he's like, no, he wanted to be closer to the to the to the actual campus. But Palos Verdes is I think the view from Palos Verdes out over the water is breathtaking. It's probably one of the single most amazing natural wonders that like Los Angeles, the area has. Wow. They got their own little community up there. There's actually some lore behind Palos Verdes because there was a rich young man. Out there that ended up becoming a Crip. What? And he was from Palos Verdes and he joined the Crips. He joined the Crips and he was going on drills with them, doing all kinds of crazy shit. And then people were like, there's a Palos Verdes Crip. He was a Crip. He joined the Crips. Wow. He went down the hill and became a Crip. And everybody was like, how could that happen when you come from a place as beautiful as Palos Verdes? You know, why are you fucking around? But he was fucking around. He wanted to be down with them. He's a Crip. He wanted to be down. Man, look, man. He's like Malibu's most wanted. Crips will find you, man. My cousin moved from. Texas to Kansas, Solana, Kansas, and became a Crip up there, man. You can be a Crip. I guess you can, you know, join anywhere, bro. Eldon Campbell. Oh, he lives in Palos Verdes Estates. Oh, shit. Bill Lambert attended Palos Verdes High School. Did you know that? A lot of people, as far as athletes are concerned, live in that Palos Verdes kind of Manhattan Beach extended area. This is really. I should have gone up. So can you go up there? Like, if you're going on a drive for a night and just be like, I just want to go have a little dinner over there. You can do that. Yep. You can do that. You can go up there. They got a movie theater up there. They got the whole thing. Palos Verdes is gorgeous. It's beautiful. I don't know how we spent this much time on it, but it's true. That's true. I got to go check it out. Also, shout out to Chesney. He said he could not be more than 15 minutes away from campus. That's one of his rules. So that's why he could not be in Palos Verdes. But it's a really nice place. And, you know, I want to give a shout out there. Let's do some headlines. Hold on. Hold on before you go on. You can book a room, a hotel guest, a Hotel King guest room at the Terranea for $525. That's not bad. What day? I just looked up if I wanted to check in tonight. You know? Yeah, you did. This is a Wednesday. Look up a weekend rate. Oh, man. You think I need to? You're telling me. I mean, Terranea is not that expensive. Your broke ass ain't going to be able to do it. That's what you're saying, Tate. I'm just saying it is expensive. Okay, hold on. So I'm going to. I'm going to check in on a Friday and check out on a Sunday. Let's see what that is. Oh, goes up to the sunrise, sunset, 685. Goes up to 685. That's still not bad. I thought it would be. Terranea is not that expensive. Okay. I'll fuck with it, man. All right. There you go. Good times. Glad we got to talk about it. 2014 playoff seems inevitable, so we'll get there eventually. But hopefully, not in the near future. But it seems like it's on the verge. Let's get the top five headlines of the week, and let's start with number one. This happened last week. It was a big story, a lot of memes. And of course, it's about LSU head coach Lane Kiffin, Lane Kiffin. And explaining his decision to leave Ole Miss for LSU said that he was trying to distance himself from symbols like the Confederate flag, Colonel Rebel, and the nickname Ole Miss itself when he was coaching there. Kiffin says top recruits would tell him, quote, Hey, coach, we really like you, but my grandparents aren't. Letting me move to Oxford, Mississippi, in quote, that doesn't come up when you go to Baton Rouge, Louisiana, is what he said. Parents were sitting here this weekend and saying the campus's diversity feels so great. It feels like there's no segregation, in quote. So this is Lane Kiffin explaining his decision. And now he is basically trying to pull a Nick Saban down there at LSU in Joel's terms. Van, when you saw this story, did you like it? Did you buy it? And what were your thoughts on Kiffin? I knew this. I knew this was about to stir up some shit. So did Lane Kiffin. And I'm like, you know, I personally would have rather Lane Kiffin not, like, jump into this entire hornet's nest. You guys, I am a Louisiana man through and through. I love Louisiana. I love the state. I love the people. I love everything about my home state. I don't think that. I don't think that it makes a lot of sense to compare the history of racism between Louisiana and Mississippi. Now, I will say this. Mississippi's special now. I will say this. Mississippi's special. Mississippi is special. And there is no comparison between Baton Rouge and Oxford, because Baton Rouge is a black city, and Oxford is not, okay? But if we're going to do a deep historical analysis of racist history. Between Mississippi and Louisiana, or even between Ole Miss and LSU. you there's just not gonna be enough daylight to really stand up and like look down your nose at another school and that's just the way that it is i yeah man i agree and when i saw this uh i was kind of surprised because you know lane kiffin if you were there and you had a problem with the confederate iconography few people were better positioned he had the opportunity you had old by the balls for a number for a number of years like nobody nobody could have done more to improve the condition and the culture around that campus than you like that was right in your hands and evidently it didn't come up that them black people them black people came up and said man my grandparents i let me move to oxford and you're like man all right i understand like yes he was just like okay i get it i get it but he was right about that though we had talked about like that's the reason that we brought that up in the fall yeah we brought that up in the fall that the footprint from the sec footprint if you just go along texas you know texas to florida like the itn corridor old miss his old missus and in mississippi state they're the only schools that have not won national championships and the reason is because it's been hard to convince athletes to go play there if you're not already from there there was a cat from my hometown and sue c say he was the best uh basketball player on texas as a legendary state champion amazing basketball player you remember answer you know and sue c said i do yeah yeah a great basketball player yeah yeah he's from my hood he's from he went to willow rich high school which is also where tj ford went to high school and they won a state championship and then he signed with old miss and everybody was like what the like what are you doing bro like why are you going to old miss that's crazy and that's just kind of the perception that old miss had to deal with uh but yeah i mean the one thing i would say about lsu and van you probably uh well you certainly are much more qualified to speak on it the way black people felt about lsu has evolved a lot since uh martin luther saban has showed up but there were people like i would say wouldn't you say the black people when they talked about baton rouge they're thinking of the southern baton rouge and not necessarily the lsu baton rouge is that fair to say i think i think that in the early 90s uh in the early 90s essentially coming up because remember i had a mother that went to lsu and a father that went to southern that's right so so so for me i think it's always been kind of divided lsu to to your point for a lot of people in baton rouge has always kind of been a hallmark of sort of resource hoarding uh things that were nice things that were geared towards white people and white people who were not white people who were not white people who were not white students and when you go to the north side of town where southern is it doesn't seem as if they give a fuck about how things are going up on the bluff about how fuck the football about how to the structures and whether or not there's air conditioning all kinds of stuff like that how that goes up on the bluff so if you are the southern knight and if southern has your heart then there probably is some resentment towards lsu but when lsu would win the entire town all of baton rouge would at least from what i know from what i understood growing up it was a source of pride because it was really the only thing in baton rouge at that particular time that had any type of national identity so it would be very difficult to not be proud of lsu or care about the way lsu represented for louisiana if you were specifically from baton rouge because that at that point was what people knew baton rouge for more than anything what no booze for baton rouge for baton rouge for yet what no kevin gates yet baton rouge is kind of like a little renaissance now um like like all of that stuff none of that stuff was kind of around right like no young boy baton rouge didn't really have a national identity in any way but lsu was like we're at tiger stadium in baton rouge these players that come from it that was kind of a thing so there was always to me at least from black people that i knew a sense of pride but the connection culturally to the university didn't really start until we started getting the players back to go there that represented these different spots in louisiana and in the 90s that had stopped in the 80s it was a little bit more prevalent but in the 90s that had definitely stopped those guys were at florida state those guys were at texas those guys were at florida those guys were at colorado if you're talking about cordell stewart and all of that stuff those guys were leaving louisiana and is i'm going to get this wrong is war done from baton rouge is that right he is catholic high catholic high yeah like so i remember thinking man how did that ed reed uh well is ed reed from he's from new orleans neil smith is like like like neil smith like cordell stewart travis minor major applewhite marshall falk who actually didn't get recruited the way that he should have been that really kind of starts with like a big time prep like a big national prep um from from that area staying home it actually starts with kevin falk it actually starts with kevin falk deciding that he was not gonna he's from karen crowe that he was going to come to to lsu uh but then up to your point the guy who really put the fence around baton rouge and louisiana for a little while at least was nick saban and and and that definitely changed things because then you had a national brand that you didn't have to kind of pull people to be proud of i do have to ask like what do you think lane kiffin thought this would do you think this he thought that like this would be that's a great question you know like this would be like a big pr win for him to be like actually i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know lane left because he didn't like you know the the iconography of old miss and that's yeah he's such a good guy for doing that like it just seems very strange to me that he waited this many months to then make this spin on the story when we kind of all know why he went to lsu um it just seems strange i just don't know what the end game was there i don't know what kiffin thinks about i don't clearly i don't think he runs everything by an assistant or a pickup i mean he tweeted out that cap the rumor that make baton rouge it again taps then he had to take it down like he's clearly not so is this do you think like a reaction to that like he got such bad feedback on that thing that then he's like i gotta make sure people know where i stand i think what happened is that he is very conscious of the fact that a lot of people think he's a turncoat man that he abandoned his team in the middle of a playoff run at this school they gave him a chance they gave him the best year they ever had and in the middle of it he abandoned them and there are a lot of people for a lot of people they will always hold that against him you know like even like kevin durant when people be talking about it instead of where he had to go cheat you know he he went and got his rings on the back of the warriors or whatever it's kind of like that it's like for lane kiffin that may always be part of his coaching epitaph assuming he doesn't go on to wild success at lsu so i think this was a part of trying to explain and clear up his reputation but i just don't think he's good at talking uh uh i don't think he's as good at talking as um you know his reputation would suggest well he's going on pardon my take this week so uh you know belichick just went on pardon my take he's got man why that's a that's a paid interview why hadn't josh pate got him yet what i will say is this though as i don't actually i think what joel is saying is true but i don't actually think it's that at all okay um when i was on the yard at southern's campus i had gone to louisiana tech for a little while then i came came back home to go to school and i'm talking to one of my homeboys and my homeboy goes because my my high school girlfriend was up on the yard right and you know someone would say they was up on the yard going crazy but like my high school wow that was like was up on the yard was this your dog ryan oh no it's not my homeboy ryan if i don't name names then you probably shouldn't name them but okay all right somebody put me on the ryan this week and i was like okay what's up dude okay so my um my my uh high school girlfriend was up there and so i'm coming back i'm like you know i'm talking about boy i'm like yo i've been away because i'm one of my high school my other high school girlfriend we had gone to tech together so i'm leaving louisiana tech coming back to southern and one of my other high school girlfriends is gonna be up there right whatever okay so i'm like yeah i'm gonna see you whatever whatever tap back in and he's like and i remember my homeboy says i mean you gonna see her he was like uh shit you might see her on a bad day and feel good about yourself bad day meaning that he thinks that it would be good for me to see her looking bad right and he was joking it was a funny joke like hey you might see her on a bad day like hey i didn't miss nothing right yeah i think that that mentality is playing into what lane kiffin said i think lane kiffin is simply trying to make his ex have a bad day i don't know that it has very much to do with lane kiffin feeling like people are judging him because he left old miss that certainly could be a part of this calculus but i just think that lane kiffin is the type of petty to where when he leaves a place he actually doesn't want to leave it in a better situation than he found it right he doesn't want to leave a place in a better situation especially if the breakup is contentious what he wants to do and i know a lot of people like this is be like I'm in a better situation with this new girl than I ever was with my ex. I didn't move. She finer. She look better. Here, check out her Instagram. Look at who her friends are. All of this stuff. I think that's what he's trying to do. And I think he's trying to force the public to kind of look at it that way by saying, yeah, I didn't forget what Ole Miss is, right? Yeah, right. So I think that really it's even pettier than that. I'm not saying that what Joel is saying is not a calculus in this because I definitely think that it is. But I think Lane Kiffin is legitimately just bad-mouthing Ole Miss because he wants to make his ass look bad in front of his new group of people. It's a reminder. It's a reminder. And that scares me a little bit. That scares me a little bit, honestly, as an LSU fan. I don't know right now if we could interview Lane Kiffin. I would ask him, as an LSU fan, what is going to make us different? Because it seems like if we're talking about the Raiders, if we're talking about Tennessee, if we're talking about SC, if we're talking about Ole Miss, even if we're talking about Alabama, it seems as if you got this whole, you're not doing the Derrick Jeter thing where people leave and they get a gift box and all of that shit. It seems like you're on the other shit. So what are we going to get out of what's coming, which is a fiery blast? A breakup and an embarrassment of some sort. That's what it kind of seems like we're on that trajectory. That's crazy because you're right. I mean, Nick Saban sent his ass home before a national championship game. Yes! He was like, I've had enough. Get out of here. The only school that he's not had this beef with is Florida Atlantic, right? And I guess like maybe- And that's because they were just happy to have him. They both got what they needed out of it, right? Right. Yeah, it was just like, I was never going to stay. You knew you would never go hold on to me, but we had a good time together. And I moved on to my new thing, Ole Miss. What? What I want to know is like, what happened to your girl, dog? She's on a bad day. Like, is this like, this doesn't sound like freshman 15 shit. This is like she got cracked out or something. Nah, she's beautiful. She's still beautiful. Okay. All right. He just said, might see you on a bad day. Joel's trying to poke and prod. Like, my man was talking about maybe you catch her on an off day where she don't look good on that day. But she's fine. Shout out to her. She married. You know all about G. Yeah, she married, all of that stuff. Yeah, raise the roof for that. Does she look like, oh, girl, you showed us who looks like somebody else? Raise the roof on you. You're bullshitting now. Now you're bullshitting. We can do this. Hey, Joel, whenever you want to do this. Don't want to name any names earlier when he was on the hot seat. Joel, whenever you want to do this, we can do this. Because I'm telling you, you're going to have another bad week. Because we also know why you had a bad week while you was in L.A. too. Hold on, hold on. Okay, you said enough. You said enough. You said enough. Everything's fine. But anyway. Hey, before we go to the next headline, Billy, are you here? Is Billy Gill finally in the building? Man, what the fuck? Let's go. Okay, Billy, what the cap? What cap is that? Hey, what's up? What's up, guys? How's it going? I just wanted to know if you had anything to add to the Joel UCLA practice footage. Joel did a good job breaking down him. What went wrong on his end. Old Navy baggy jeans. I was out of bounds. What? You know, there's a lot. Yeah, a lot of breakdowns from Joel. I just wondered if you had any thoughts. Tate didn't do a fair breakdown. Just listen to the clip in context. Okay. I'll go back and listen to it and report back to you next week, I guess. Yeah, thanks. Okay. Perfect. All right. Well, we'll. I got to ask Billy something. Billy, do you feel like you lost the rep that you had against him? Against Joel? Where Joel seemingly got behind you and it could have been an errant pass by me. I didn't feel that way at the time. If I'm going to be honest with you, I thought I gave him some room. The last thing that I wanted was Joel to be in front of me and complete the pass. So I figured, you know, I could make up for it there. Now, watching it back now, I'm not happy with the shape that I'm in. And I don't think I looked athletic in any way either. So I think I don't think I don't think anyone looked good. In any of these clips, if I'm going to be honest with you. Yeah, same. Well, I mean, I think Van came off pretty well. Did they show that jumper, too? Didn't they? Did they show you a jumper? I don't think they showed it. I felt fine. I tell you what, though. I just be honest with y'all. I'm old, bro. Fuck it. I'm old. Tate is the only one on here. I mean, I guess Billy not 40 yet either. But but but Tate is the only one in here that could legitimately legitimately still make an argument. For actual youth. We're all relatively young. Billy's relatively young. But Tate could say, well, you 32. Yeah. Yeah. You could actually say I'm actually young. Like you're in your NBA prime. Like that's fucking Giannis. So like you could you could legitimately say that you're young. But me, nigga, I was born 1980, dog. There was there was no Internet. There was like there's a lot of shit that exists. Rotary phones. The rotary phones, bro. We was going crazy. We was going to Pizza Hut, sitting in a restaurant, eating at the restaurant in the Pizza Hut. Oh, bro. Phone booth. Remember, you need a dime to make a call. Bro, the like I remember my dad. Maps in the car. Bro, my dad actually said I remember him saying I'm old enough to remember my dad saying we need to get to the bank before it closes because the bank wasn't open on the weekend and what no ATMs around like talking about like they had that they had ATMs, but it was hard. Like, I'm telling you, it's different, though, it's like because I was telling this, I was explaining this to my son the other day because his grandmother tried to give him popcorn. And the rules have changed around kids. They treat them like, you know, hoes now. Basically, you can't, you can't, you can't eat popcorn until you're like five years old. OK, because, you know. So anyway, I said, you know, Desmond, our daddy is so old. I remember we I remember when we got our first microwave and before then we literally used to heat up popcorn on the stove. Like, that's how you had to have popcorn. You pop it over the stove, pop it on stove, man. And I was like, but that was better of the stove. Yeah, maybe. I mean, yeah, but that's that sounds like coke, but whatever. But yeah, but but you get it. Yeah, we were we had some old motherfuckers, man. I dare any of y'all approaching 50. To get your ass up and race against me, dog. Mm hmm. Why challenging more people? I did that already. You weren't here for that. He challenged everybody for the field day in August. And he said he's been drinking protein powder, water, protein shake, muscle milk. You got a deal we don't know about that. You need to mention the name and hold it up in front of the camera. Were you proud of your performance? No. Oh, OK. OK. No, I mean, I wasn't. I told you I felt like a goofy ass dad in an America's Funniest Home Videos clip. Like I was like, oh, man, that looks bad. I you don't nobody when you grow up, you don't ever think of being an embarrassing old man. You know, I mean, like I remember one of my football coaches tried to show me how to do a cut. And that motherfucker fell down out there. I remember it, you know, 35 years later because I was like, man, he looked old and goofy, man. And I was like, I'm that I'm that nigga now, man. Shout out Coach Galladay, man. R.I.P. I love him to death, man. Coach Galladay, man. Let me tell you something right now. If you a coach and it is a fine line between looking like a god in front of your youngsters and losing them forever. Like it's a fine line. You're out there with these old coaches. They want to get the ball. I'm not even going to make fun of this guy because he's not going to take the joke well. That's my homeboy's father. But, you know, if you don't take the bat and teach us how to hit the ball, if you fucking swing through seven pitches in a row when a 12-year-old is throwing it, we don't respect you again. We might have to take this out. But it has happened before. You lose the team. You lose the team. Let me show you guys how to make contact. You got to make contact. Yeah. You do that. Okay. It's funny. 1992. That happened in 1992. It was a long time ago. I watched this dude on the internet named 300, and he has all the running backs. Like he had Caden Durham working with him the other day, man. And he has them going through cones and all this other shit. And I noticed he doesn't do any of it now. I think he was like a college running back. And he still looks like he's in really good shape. But, you know, I don't see clips of him breaking his ass out there, going around those bags and jumping over shit because it's like, yo, man, like I don't want, I don't want to give y'all tape. I don't want to show it to y'all. And that's really, that was the thing that I was saying. I was like, I don't remember who this listener is or reader, whatever. He said, Joel's down with the smoke, man. Joel's up good with any smoke. And that's true. And I don't feel like enough people appreciate it. I was like, fuck it. I'll go out there. I don't care. I'm down for any competition. That's how I live. Well, somebody just weighed in and his name is, this person's name is Hilda Broom 7. Come on, man. Boundaries. They are the founder of Hilda Broom Management. This is some bullshit. And what I'm just saying, and Hilda Studios. And they say that they don't believe. They say, okay, I take it back. I no longer believe Joel ran a 4-3. They don't believe he ran a 4-3 no more. I never said I ran a 4-3. Joel, be careful because we can pull clips. I'm 47 years old. I'll be 48 next week, okay? Like, get out of here. Yeah, I know. I've been around. I'm not going to get another 48. I'm past mid-age, right? Middle-age. So, I don't know what people expected. They really thought that a nigga was going to get out there and be like I was when I was 18 years old and I was rocked up and fast and ready to do shit. But you did say in two months. I don't know. I was praising on that. Rocked up? I was swole, dog. I was swole, man. So, you was out there running around. You was rocked up, huh? Yeah, I was rocked up. 2-2-7. 2-2-7? That's right. Hey, man, I'll never forget one time I got. Y'all know Elvis Mitchell? Does that name sound familiar? He used to be the New York Times movie critic. But at the time, he was the Fort Worth Star movie critic. And me and another intern, we went out in downtown Fort Worth one night. And I used to wear a sweater vest with nothing on underneath, you know what I'm saying, with my linen shorts and some sandals, you know? And I was swole as a motherfucker, dog. So, I remember I was going to 8.0s. People in TCU know about 8.0s, and they wouldn't let me. Tussling with that gear on is wild. They wouldn't let me in because I didn't have sleeves on or real shoes. But then I went to another bar that night. You're talking about rocked up, though? The bartender. They could see. They could see. They could see a motherfucker was lifting weights. And we went to the. I felt like Elvis was impressed that the bartender. It was a young. It was a young lady who was like. I mean, she was all just feeling the boy's arms and shit. She was like, yeah, wow, you really work out. I was like, yeah, that's what's up. That's what I do. So, people miss that. That was a long time ago. That was, you know, 20. I mean, I don't know, man. Are there any photos of this outfit and look? I do have a photo of me in a sweater vest with no shirt on, but it was before I had gotten into the college. Man, I mean, there's a picture of me from college where my wife calls my big uncle. Big arms, little head picture. I don't have it around right now. Big arms, little head. I was on that creatine, dog. There you go. Heavy. Why were you hanging out with Elvis Mitchell? He worked at the same newspaper as me. Like, we were. I mean, you know, he was the. Wait, this is when you were an adult, not when you were in college? No, no, no, no, no, no. I was in college. I was in college. I was interning. I was doing like a. Interning. I was interning. So, I don't even. I don't remember if this is the time when I was there for the summer or if I was doing my part-time work. I was doing my part-time work while I was still at school. But he was. I mean, you know, he took a liking to me, man. He was just like, yo, like you and I think the other cat was named Steven from Midwestern State in Abilene or Wichita Falls. I can't remember. Anyway, we went out that night, dog. And it was cool. But I felt like. I don't know. You know, I never hung out with Elvis Mitchell again. Just lost track of him. Aw. That sucks. Well, tell Allison to get him on, I guess. Yeah. What is Elvis Mitchell? Add him to the list. Look him up. That would be good. He was a big deal, man. I mean, he's still a big deal. Shout him out. He's a visiting lecturer at Harvard. I'm happy, though, that, you know, we got to the. at least to the beginning of the Joel and Billy situation because I think at Ringer Field Day, this is going to be like a real, real, real battle. Real battle at Ringer Field Day. I mean, really, we're going to. everybody's going to come out there and do their thing. But Ringer Field Day, in a lot of ways, is oriented around. Joel versus Billy. Yeah. Honestly. It's the race that everyone wants to see. It's the race that everybody wants to see. That's fine. Okay. So, we'll just say that. Billy, you're still down, right? Billy, are you drinking protein powder? I haven't been. What should I be taking, Joel? Well, I've got several. You see, I'll even help. I'll give you some of my tips. You want me to give you the workout that I'm planning on starting to do? When are you planning on starting it? Yeah, break down the workout. Well, I got to find a time. What I am going to do is I'm going to do it on work time because I consider this part of my life. It's part of my work. So, now I'm going to just start saying when I'm working out that that counts as work because I'm doing it for the show. What are you waiting on to start? Finding the time. Finding the time. Well, this is work time. Well, now I'm going to start doing it. Now I'm going to start doing it, man. Maybe you start doing like calf raises and things like while we're recording. Yeah, right now, I'm on a writing deadline. I got a lot of stories to write over the next week. I got to get fit when you're writing. Yeah. It's tough. Got a lot of shit going on around here, bro. I've never seen a really in shape writer now that you mention it, Joel. You didn't see me once upon a time. Oh, well, yeah. That's true. We didn't see you in the sweater. I mean, this is later. I mean, dog, look, man. I've had some phases, but I feel like there was one good one. I mean, I was doing CrossFit right around the time I turned 40 in Palo Alto. And I mean, you know what I'm saying, motherfucker, man. I bench pressed 275 like eight times. You know, I was on my shit, dog. It all fell apart once I had kids, you know. It fell apart. I haven't touched the gym since. I had to give away all my gym equipment. Now people treat them like hoes. So it's tough, man. Again, man, people are being hoes about that shit. I'm just like, bro, take your ass off. Let's go see you go do something against a neighborhood YM, motherfucker. Go do some shit. Let me see what you've got, you know, but whatever. Are you going to do CrossFit for August? I mean, that sounds like that is a good. I would love to. I think I got some. I have some other stuff in mind, but I got a homeboy working with me on a on a workout plan. So, yeah, so you have a trainer already lined up. You have an assistant. You have a trainer. I do have an assistant. You have a whole support staff. Yeah, I'm working on it, man, really working. So now if you lose the Billy, it looks even worse. I'm not afraid. You got to get it done. I'm not afraid. I mean, the thing that the lesson is that Joel's not afraid, man. Third, I'll tell you something, Billy, I'll tell you something. Billy has an entire. Like, he's got a hive. Yeah. Billy Gil Murphy. Yeah, I mean, they love him, man. Billy, what do you mean for all the for all, you know, Joel, they might be the ones listening to the rewatchable is going after you. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I didn't ask about that. How'd that go? Because I listened to the episode for you. Look at Billy. I listened to the episode. And I'll have like a movie and it's like, OK, I did not. I don't know. Oh, I want everybody that's watching this. Y'all got to watch. Watch how Billy was slightly low energy talking about field day. I don't think he wants to do it now. The moment that the rewatchables came up. Look at his eyes. Look at Billy right now, his eyes. What do you have? People are talking shit about me on the Internet. I don't know how bad it is and I will never know because I will never look it up. I already had Internet fights this week. I don't need another one. So, yeah, but I mean, yeah, it was how did it go? I mean, a lot of people were mad, apparently. That's how it went. But Bill told me, man, Bill, man, he's down ass motherfucker, man. He he's like, my opinion matters. That's the only one. He's my opinion is the only one that matters. And I'm sticking to that, you know what I'm saying? So whatever. Oh, that's what he told you. Yeah, that's like so if you motherfuckers are seeing me on YouTube or Netflix and you got a problem with it, I'm sorry. OK, so I didn't go well. We we so we big dog and niggas, huh? Well, I mean, you know, motherfuckers in the L.A. Times, you know what I'm saying? You you are. Yeah. Yeah. Did we talk about him profiled in the L.A. Times? They came to see the studio. Just to let you guys know that that profile is actually about Sycamore. And Rachel and I came to the studio. But but but I'll tell you something is not about it. I like the bill. OK, you know, big dog. People say, fuck it. I'm on Netflix. You not. That's what the fuck you talk about. OK, that's how you come in and in third person. That's some of it. That's some of it. I mean, well, I mean, what am I? You know, again, you're going to be mad at me and say I did bad. Well, OK, sure, whatever. I'll get another rep. I'll be OK. All right. All right. So and look, I know it's kind of a mantra for the episode. OK, like Tropic Thunder is all Joe. Come on, bro. I stand by. It's not my favorite fucking comedy. Deal with your job. Sorry to hurt. You know, what kind of bitch are you? Did you got to like I got to like it for you to feel good about it. You know, just a reminder. You know, I like your way on Jenkins. Nothing anybody thinks about it is going to change the way I feel about. OK, just real quick. Just so everybody knows, the rewatchables podcast is a celebration of movies. We watch movies and we reminisce some some do it better than others. Like like we watch movies and we reminisce on the things that we loved about the movies and just how great the movie is. That's the purpose. And the ethos of the rewatchable. So the people that are saying the people that are saying you didn't like the movie and they have a problem with that, it's actually not they are I don't want to say that they are right. But what I'm saying is the expectation of the podcast is going to be a celebration of the movie. Imagine if people came on here and you was like, I fucking hate college football, fuck college football. Oh, that's when you say that that's fair, though. Now that now that no, not really. I mean, look again, I mean, again, I didn't anything that I didn't think was in a celebration of the movie. I didn't think it was as good as it was when I first saw it. You just said you didn't like it. I didn't say I didn't like it. All right, guys, we should move on. Get over it, nigga. Okay. So I'd like you to do Roscoe Jenkins, though. You're all in. Oh, man, that's one of my favorite movies. I love that movie, dawg. Oh, man. Let me tell you what movie is not getting done. Welcome home, Roscoe Jenkins. That's not going to be on there. Yeah, I know. That's a little niche. Anytime it come on, I'm watching it, dawg. Maybe you do your own episode. That'd be fun. I would love to. You know, eventually I'm going to have to start doing my own videos on this shit, dawg. So, yeah, maybe I will. Maybe I'll watch along and watch Welcome Home, Roscoe Jenkins with y'all people. You have a new series called The Watch Alongs? Yeah, man. I mean, we ain't going to talk about it. Initially, that was the whole reason I came out to L.A. Didn't quite work out that way, but that's fine. We didn't even go to dinner like we had said. And that didn't happen either. So, whatever. You wouldn't have that shirt if it went to dinner. Just think about that. That's probably true. I was expecting us to go to dinner. We are so far off the rails right now, guys. We got to get back. Oh, yeah. Sorry. I mean, I think we've basically done. There's just one more story I wanted to bring up just because I do think it is fascinating. Vanderbilt true freshman who was committed to Georgia, Jared Curtis, is appearing in Nate Bargain. His new movie, The Breadwinner, as part of his NIL deal with Vanderbilt. Now, that is a sentence I never thought I would read out loud. Also, I have to ask, Joel, do you know who Nate Bargain is? Of course not. Who the fuck is that? Let me look him up, man. I guess I should look him up. That was the reason I wanted to read the story to you. Nate Bargain. Is he a comedian? Yeah. A comedian. Got a movie called The Breadwinner. The Breadwinner. A gigantic comedian. Okay. Let's see how many followers he's got on Instagram. Hold on. Go see. Is he a Vanderbilt fan? Is he a Tom Segura? He's probably a little bit bigger than Tom. Oh, really? Okay. My bad. Okay. Yeah. He's a huge comedian. Hold on. Okay. Neat. I mean, this movie's got Mandy Moore in it, which is in the Hilary Duff category. Nate Bargain has three million followers on Instagram. Okay. Man. He sounds famous. Not familiar with his work. I'm going to follow him. Oh, man. My boys Decker and Ed are following him, dog. All right. Well, I think he's very funny. You follow him. He's a clean comedian. I do follow him? Okay. Nice. He says you follow him. Shout out. My boy. That was probably years ago. He kind of blew up. He used to be kind of. I just like. Sometimes I appreciate the art form of just clean comedy. Yeah. Simple. Easy. You got to respect it. I'm with you. Jimmy Spencer is following him. Shout out Jimmy Spencer, man. Man, Jimmy's following him. My boy Dave Wilson over at ESPN. That's enough. But isn't that wild, though? True freshman never played a game getting a movie role in a majorly released film just because Nate Bargatze is a fan of Vanderbilt. So that's the world we live in. I mean. I think it's horseshit, but. Really? Really. Yeah, but I mean. Why? I mean. Why? It is what it is. I just think it's kind of horseshit. I'm not going to bullshit you. I think it's kind of. Never play a game. Wait. I think Diego Pavia should have been in this movie. Yeah. Hmm. That's interesting. If it's going to be a Vanderbilt quarterback, why not the guy who's not going to have a career in the NFL, probably? You know? Like, let's get him in the comedy world. But I guess, like, Vanderbilt is trying to make a pitch. And when they're saying, here's the list of things we can do for you. You know, there's a guy at UCLA. I don't think that motherfucker played any football. Whatsoever. But I saw so many articles about Chase Griffin tapping in on his NIL earnings. And they were doing. And then I think I saw something about UCLA doing a thing where they were connecting them with folks in Hollywood and, you know, letting them know about the opportunities or whatever and run it up. And I'm like, I guess that's just. That's just a part of it. I mean, Vanderbilt has to do that to get Jared Curtis to forget about Georgia to go to Vanderbilt. I mean, that was a big story when he decommitted and committed to Vanderbilt. But now we see why. There was some, you know. Perks to the commitment. Getting in a Nate Bargatze movie, who Joel does not know. Did he run another movie besides that breadwinner shit? So, Joel, let me ask you a question. Would you say that anyone who has hosted Saturday Night Live was famous, was legitimately famous? Would you say that? Yeah, I would. I mean, I mostly. Yeah, I would mostly agree to that. Yeah. Yeah, Nate Bargatze has hosted Saturday Night Live. You know, I didn't. My argument was not that he was famous. My argument was that I didn't know who he was. And that is not representative of anybody's fame whatsoever. I mean, but also, I feel like sometimes, like, I don't know. Like, do y'all motherfuckers know the dude that played Stacy in The Wood? Yes. He's also now. He. Because anybody that knows who he played, who played Stacy in The Wood, he also. Actually, it was good to see that he was a snowfall for a lot, too. Yeah. He's been around for a long time. It was also in Tales from the Hood. Yeah, man. So, I mean, I'm just like. I mean, there's a lot of motherfuckers I'm familiar with in movies, and I got. People don't feel the need to have to be familiar with them. I mean, name a bunch of Frankie Beverly and Maze songs. Like, I mean, just because I don't know who Nate Bargatze is. I mean, I've chosen a kind of culture that I want to follow, and I don't have a lot of time, and I'm going to enjoy and invest in that and watch Welcome Home, Roscoe Jenkins, dog. I'm sorry. You know? I mean. I feel like that movie. You like Tales from the Hood? You like that? Man, you know what, man? I watched that once. You didn't see it? I watched it once. Okay, so shut the fuck up. Well, no, wait. Wait, what's wrong with. Wait, I didn't think that. So, you're talking about. So, you're talking about you got this culture that you've turned. How many times I gotta watch Tales from the Hood? It's that you don't know people, period. How many times I gotta watch. Rusty Cundee directs Tales from the. So, what I'm saying is you can know all of the. Black Hat? I saw Fear of the Black Hat. Fear of the Black Hat is great. Love that. Love that. Very good movie, yeah. I'm black, y'all. I'm black, y'all. I'm black, y'all. I'm black, y'all. Blackity black, black. Fear of the Black Hat. What I'm saying is you can know all of that, and you can know who Nate Bargatze is. I'm saying Fear of the Black Hat is hysterical, by the way. Very good movie. Y'all should do it on Rewatch. Dan is saying don't box yourself in, Joel. I'm not saying don't box yourself in. There's a whole world of shit in. Shout out to Rusty fucking Cundee. Rusty Cundee, too. Is he still around? Shout out to Rusty Cundee, man. I saw Sprung. Yeah, good movie. You saw Sprung, right? Sprung. I saw Sprung. It was great. I saw Sprung at the movies. Dog, I saw. I went to the movies to see Sprung, too. All I'm saying. I went and saw Rod. Did you see Rod? Did you see Rod? I saw Rod. I saw all of those movies. Rod. I remember my man, Derek Dersberg, came back. He went to see Rod. I asked Derek. I was like, how was Rod? Derek said, man, that bitch was an hour and 15 minutes. It was tough. They didn't put a lot into Rod, but I took my ass to see the movie. Yeah, man. I took my ass to see Rod. I went and saw the photograph. I did all the. I've done all. As much as I can. Southside with you. Or whatever. You know? I've done. Southside. It's not Southside with you. So Southside. Southside with you is the movie about Barack and Michelle Obama. Yeah, that's the one I'm talking about. I'm talking about Southside with you. Southside with you. I thought you were talking about Southside the show. Oh, no. Shout out to Diallo and Bashir. Yeah, I've seen that a couple times. Yeah. Okay. Apparently, so Rod is 83 minutes. So I remember he went and saw Rod and he was like, yo, man, that bitch, we was in and out that motherfucker. But yeah, Rod. Malik Yoba, Melissa D'Souza, John Witherspoon, Fredro Starr. She was great in that movie. Idalis. Idalis was in it. Idalis DeLeon from MTV. She was in that bitch. Yeah, man. Yeah. The Lady of Rage. I didn't realize she was in it, too. I'm glad you're showcasing. You do have, you know, a lot of knowledge on, you know, films and things like that and pop culture. Shout out to you, Joel. We love to see that. Last story. Last thing I wanted to hit. USC Notre Dame in talks to resume the rivalry. Big talking point for us during the season. They were done. Lincoln Riley was out. Now it seems like it's going to come back around. So good news for USC Notre Dame. Good news for college football because this was a rivalry game that we need to have. So just, you know, talks are happening. I don't know if it's going to happen, but talks are happening. I'm glad it's happening. But if it if it went away, I remember when this was all happening and I was like, if it goes away, I'm not tripping. I mean, just just think of all the games we've lost as college football fans in our lifetime. Like I lost Oklahoma, Nebraska. That game actually used to be like that was a real big game once upon a time. They don't even play each other really like that no more. Michigan versus Notre Dame. You know, they used to play each other a lot more. Man, I've lived a life where Texas did not play Texas A&M for more than a decade. You know, that's crazy. So if I can lose games like that, I'm just kind of prepared to lose all sorts of games. It is definitely better that they're playing. But like if they didn't, it would only well, I shouldn't say it would only matter to USC and Notre Dame fans. But it's just like that's just, you know, Texas don't really matters to USC fans, at least in my I have a lot of USC people around me in my neighborhood, it really matters to them. Do you think Notre Dame cares? They were very upset about this. I think they care at some level, but Notre Dame thinks they're above everybody, at least in my experience with Notre Dame fans. So, like, USC, I think they care about this rivalry game. So they want it back. The question is, we've lost a lot of them and we're fine. The question is, do we need to lose more? Yeah, that's right. Do we need to lose more? That's the question. I understand college football is going to go. The world is going to spin on. Do we need to lose more games? Why do we have to lose Notre Dame-USC? There's no reason why you have to lose it. Continue to play the game if you can. Yeah, play the game. Let's do it. And I know Lincoln Riley was trying to duck and dodge, but we don't need that. We need them to play the game. That was the real story, Joel. I mean, I'm just saying, I mean, like, don't y'all have hopes of going over to the USC campus sometime and getting the same treatment over there that we got at UCLA? I think that's the reason that they've changed their team, because he was trying to avoid that game. And then people were like, hey, wait a second. Like, we don't dodge. We don't duck. We don't dip. I mean, maybe they dip because they're coaches, but, you know. I think that's the good news. It's going to come back around. They're having talks. All right. Last thing. Parting shots, Joel. Anything else that we missed today? I don't think so, man. I don't know if I got anything else. I think that's – oh, man, you know, I just kind of – this is one thing that has been kind of happening, and I haven't listened to the whole Drake album, okay? Iceman? Iceman. All three of them. I guess there were three albums that came out. They're saying he pulled a French ocean to get out of the Universal deal. And I guess this is my fault for engaging with the world through social media. The one thing that is just really annoying about a lot of Drake fans is that they're the act like they're the only ones who have ever had sex before. You know, there's like, well, man, Drake is for niggas who get pussy. That kind of stuff. But Drake said that at one point. That's why they said that. I mean, come on, dog. I mean, grow up. Like, we're – I mean, Drake, you 40, dog. I think that's a good message. Yeah. Yeah, like, grow up. Grow up, dog. Like, seriously. Like, niggas not that cool. Let's cool out. Oh, my God. What the fuck are you doing? Are you just like you – you're – so, do you not like the music or are you mad at Drake? Oh. Sounds like both. I'm – the fans. I actually don't have a problem with Drake. Like, I don't – Sounds like you did. He's not really – That's fantastic. That's good to know. He's not really – I don't – I mean, you know. Like, I don't find myself going back to a lot of his – But when he was rolling – and that's probably evidence of me saying, well, the first time I ever heard that dude, I was like, oh, this dude's going to be a superstar. And people are like, no, he's not. He's a goofy-ass actor or whatever. And I was like, oh, that motherfucker can rap. And his look and everything, I thought he was going to be a superstar. His look. His look. He's a handsome guy. Huh. Handsome guy. Is he the most handsome rapper in your book? Oh, that's a tough one. Probably not. Of course not. Nah, man. Who's the most handsome rapper? I don't know. I mean, it just kind of depends on what you're into, dog. I mean, you know, L Cool J was a very handsome guy for his time. And he kind of had the whole – you know, he was at the whole – Big Daddy Kane. When he was younger, it was very – You know Big Daddy Kane lives in North Carolina? Does he really? So does Sadat X. But what is he doing in North Carolina? I think he went down there at one point and was just like, I like it down here. And he just lives in Wake Forest. Yeah, man. Yeah. Probably want a little land, a little space. Yeah. Good for him, man. Big Daddy Kane. It's always crazy. I mean, he and Jay-Z are the same age, but – That is crazy. I didn't realize that. Yeah. All right. So your number one pick for most handsome rappers, Drake? No. I say I think I'm going to probably go with – in terms of – I had to guess. I mean, the ladies love Cool J as a guy. Yeah. I think – oh, Cool J probably is like the number one dude in rap for that, man. You know, I don't know if a lot of women – I mean, he's older now. I don't know if women still feel – but like in terms of his peak and what people thought of him, I think it's got to be Cool J. I think there's a lot of ladies that like Drake, and he's obviously been very successful with him, but I'm not going to say – you know, he's probably top five. I was hoping you were going to say Puff Daddy. Come on, Dad. Oh, man. When Mace was rolling, he was a very handsome guy. Cam'ron is a handsome guy. So I don't – A$AP Rocky? Yeah. Throw him in there? Yeah. I can see what people would see, the A$AP Rocky thing. So I – He is a model. The Drake thing, and it's just kind of – you know, it's just like he's – he's – he's biracial. He's light-skinned. So people – I think people are giving him extra credit for that. Not that he is an unattractive guy, but anyway. All right. So shots fired at Iceman from – maybe that could be clipped out on his next album as he responds to the haters. That'd be good. Van, any parting shots? Any thoughts on Drake or anything else from the college football world? No. I wanted to talk to Joel about this NAACP thing. I saw him talk to – Oh, yeah. Funny about it. I just want to ask Joel real quick. We don't have to get into a whole other segment. Joel, do you think that young Black athletes from the South should boycott schools where the state is engaged in unfair gerrymandering against Black voters? Yes, and I always have. But with the context that we need to politically engage them earlier, create community with them so that they can see how our destinies are tied together. And I think that they should know that they're not going to be the only people that have to sacrifice something. There needs to be a plan. What if a bunch of guys in Georgia – I said that on High Learning. They can't be doing it by themselves. Really? Okay. Man, I thought I was going to – Yeah, all right. So yeah, I agree. Yeah, they need to know that they got people that will back them up, whether that's financially. And also, I just got to be honest, man. Some of these former players who played at those schools and who go out on the sideline and be trotted out for these schools. It wouldn't hurt if they said something and also tried to help those young brothers out. That's the way that you get a movement going. But as it is, just asking them to give up money, as you said, I can understand where it feels unfair and why a kid might not want to do it. So I think you've got to engage them early. I think that's a good call. For the ones that are already good and already in good standing, they're probably the ones that can make more of a difference than telling kids to sacrifice on their own on the front end. I'm just – I'm saying it has to be a part of a larger movement, right? Because if I'm a recruit in Louisiana and I decide I'm not going to go to LSU, I'm not going to go to Texas, I'm not going to go wherever, and then I see all of black America descend on New Orleans for the Essence Fest in New Orleans, and I see – and that's – this is – we're talking about state institutions and holding them accountable is different than economic solidarity against businesses or entities or stuff like that. It still would feel a little weird, particularly probably for the black people. For the parents, not as much for the students, right? So if you're seeing black people continue to flock to Miami or go to Atlanta or go to places like that – well, Georgia's not really doing the gerrymandering and whatever – but if the NABJ goes to Birmingham for its deal, all of that would have to stop. All of that would have to stop. It'd have to be like an economic freeze-out of all of these states, and it would have to be robust. And as part of that, we'd have to really hit these schools where it hurts, because if not, we're going to have to hit these schools where it hurts. Then we're asking 18-, 19-year-old kids to be the tip of the spear, and they just don't have the life experience yet. It's a really tough sell. And then you're also talking about that also in regards of the parents. The parents who – I'm just going to be real with you, just to be cynical. A lot of these parents and families are looking at these kids as once-in-a-generational lottery tickets out of situations and circumstances that they're in, and they want the easiest path to get there as possible. And that path might be going to the school that's closest to them and not going to Michigan or Washington or some other place. I'm not saying that any of this should stop conversation about this, because I think this is a very important component to holding southern states particularly responsible for doing this unconscionable rollback of so much of the progress that's been made over the past decades, the blood, sweat, and tears that my ancestors really gave to make sure that we have proper representation. All of this has to be a part of it, but it has to be a more robust conversation than just, you shouldn't go to Mississippi or whatever. If anyone wanted to do that, I would definitely be in support, even with LSU. If a guy right now from New Iberia goes, we're gerrymandering in Louisiana, I'm not going to LSU, I'm getting a couple of states away, north or south, I'm not going there. You got my support. I have no fucking problem with it. I'm going to LSU. I'm going to LSU. I'm going to LSU. I'm going to LSU. I'm going to LSU. But to put that on them, it's just, I don't know. It's a big burden. It's a big burden. And I remember on your show, you said, this is, to make an impact, it doesn't require 300 athletes to do it. It could take five. Like, I targeted. Five stars. Yeah. Five stars. But that's, part of that is organizing. Like, which are they going to be? And I think that it is possible. And I'm glad that the NAACP and the CBC said something, because I think it just gives us some energy and some life that maybe that conversation has long needed. And again, I don't think that they suggested that that's all that's going to happen, and we're only going to put it on 18-year-olds. But I think that, like, now it's like, all right, how would this? Look, who else is going to join them? How are we going to engage these kids? And I think that's a great conversation to have. Before we go, real quick, Tate, Jerry Sackhouse has emerged as a candidate to be the next Chicago Bulls head coach. Let's go. Love to see you. You're into that. OK. let's go jerry coaching caleb wilson in chicago that'd be amazing oh man that's okay all right okay yeah man we need right there stackhouse is a great coach by the way you you were saying to your credit that you wanted to see stack uh potentially get that job i remember you saying i love stackhouse i mean just i like that he would literally punch christian latner in the face if he was really trying to mess with him i like that he is you know no nonsense and also i think he's just like he's kind of underrated as like an x and o's coach um i mean he won g league as a coach of the year wasn't he yeah coach of the year so um and i think he did a good job with the warriors this year i mean he was kind of the confidant for draymond um throughout all those you know moments throughout the season so yeah that'd be great i think also wait a minute jerry stackhouse i think was also scc coach of the year one of these years man wasn't he yeah he was scc coach of the year 2023 2023 yeah so like and then they ran him up out of there yeah and again like this is before they committed in the way that they did to nil and everything else so yeah i mean i'm glad to see him get another chance yeah and he's cool with malone so like they they get along i mean i know he came out and said he was upset he didn't get interviewed for the carolina job but um i think that was a fair gripe i i know i threw his name out there when i was asked so i'm happy to hear about the bulls uh being involved so that's good news love to hear that nice parting shot um right there for jerry stackhouse but uh thanks to everybody for tuning in the ringer tailgate we had a lot of fun um always a good time with you guys glad to be back for a regular rotation of the show we will take a break and we will see you all next wednesday must be 21 or older and president select states for kansas and affiliation with kansas star casino or 18 and older and president dc kentucky or wyoming gambling problem call 1-800-GAMBLER or 1-800-MY-RESET call 1-887-897777 or visit ccpg.org chat in connecticut or visit mdgamblinghelp.org in maryland hope is here visit gambling helpline ma.org or call 800-327-5050 for 24 7 support in massachusetts or call 1-877-8 hope and y or text hope and y in new york for louisiana call 1-877-770-7867 this episode is brought to you by state farm no two football players are exactly alike and the same is true off the field that's why state farm gets to know you so they can help personalize coverage for your life and budget like a good neighbor state farm is there every game day you show up for your team now it's your time we don't leave ask your prescriber about we go v some maglutide injection 2.4 milligrams a glp1 call 1-833-4 we go v or visit we go v.com to view the medication guide and to learn more about we go v why wait